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Is there a certain reason it's only Marvel and DC characters? I would think independents have had major people killed off (with no return). I don't read independents much, so I wouldn't know what to add. If anyone reads them, and has good knowledge... some should be added to the list. Otherwise, the list might as well be called List of dead Marvel and DC characters. Anyone have any thoughts on this? RobJ1981 21:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed this Category:Marvel Comics deceased characters. It was created on the 13th, and it looks like an out growth of this list. Given how fluid the concept of dead comic book characters is, should this go up for CfD? — J Greb 02:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC) (On a side note... should the Stilt-Man II redirect page even exist?)
Hi folks, as you maybe know, I have been sitting on my pet project Storm (comics) for quite a while now, trying to make it a good article as of WP:GOOD and WP:WIAGA. Before I make a request, I would like to ask if the article is already close (still needs some copyedit, and obviously "stability" is not there yet) or if not, what points need to be addressed. Thanks for reading. — Onomatopoeia 09:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Does spy organizations and buisnesses count as alliances? Example Roy Harper alliance=Checkmate along with some others. Leave Checkamte as is? I deleted alliances of some businesses like Wayne Enterprises for Batman. Brian Boru is awesome 18:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to point this out, as many here would likely be interested or excited by the possibilities in using comic art to communicate article information. Postdlf 10:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm just glad to know that a few people are appreciating the comics, even though there's disagreement about their usage. Right now, of course, Sherlock Holmes couldn't track them down on the site. But I'm confident that a sensible approach will emerge. If not, there's life on other planets: Several comics already have cropped up on a blog or two, and the Creative Commons license allows them to be used elsewhere -- which hasn't gone unnoticed. (It would be hard to beat the visibility of a main page or portal in Wikipedia, but that's clearly not my call.) -- Greg Williams 15:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There appears to be a problem with this user. He keeps moving Abe Jenkins to MACH-IV (Marvel Comics). The page has had to be moved back a couple of time now. I went to his talk page and it looks like he has been warned about this already. There is also a message about him doing the same thing to Erik Josten on his talk page as well. At this time it doesn't look like he understands why those pages are where they are nor does it seem like he wants to listen at all. Stephen Day 07:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I've got another user on my back about citations for a fictional superpower. They aren't accepting my referencing of a fantasy role play game, so I'm looking for a comic book citation as comic books references are hard currency for super powers.
I need loads of examples of the word "electrokinesis" or "electrokinetic" (the word, rather than just the ability) being use in a comic book, or in an interview by a comic book writer, illustrator or publisher. As specific as possible (for example issue and page number), and as many as possible would be good.
Also, anybody in authority in the comic book world speaking on the record about these words in relation to Static would be great.
perfectblue 14:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
How about in an interview about a comic book character. I've got it in role play games etc, but comics are harder currency for citations when it comes to pedantic users. They're harder to dispute and easier to defend.
perfectblue 15:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that when you went though it you labeled most things with kenisis on the end as neologisms, even if they weren't, and that attitude kind of stuck. I'm trying to undo the damage done by some of this.
While there were loads of neologism flying around, Electrokinesis isn't one of them, it is actually a real term in science (though it doesn't mean throwing lightning bolts around), and it has existed in fiction for years. For example, there are rules for electrokinetic powers is GURPS and it is used in [1] often enough in connection to electricity powers for it to be considered a real fictional power and not a neologism.
While DC and Marvel might not be using it (they often never name their powers anyway, and so aren't a reliable gauge here), other people are. I'm going to have to stand by my guns on this. Electrokenitic has been unfairly swept up in the anti-neologism drive, and I want to get this label removed. Role play uses it, fiction uses it, it's not a fan word.
perfectblue 07:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Who are these "other people"? Just provide your sources. Sci Fi Wire can use a neologism. Find original sources. Is the word ever used in the actual comics? Any comics? (Although, you'd really need enough sources to show it wasn't just used on a rare occasion anyway.) The use of this word in science is not the same use of the word for a superpower. As a superpower term, it's a neologism. Doczilla 07:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Notice the quotation marks on 'electrokinetic' in the Sci Fi Wire article. Your own source indicates that it is not an appropriate use of the word. Doczilla 07:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
I think some of the other editors might find this interesting/relevent to what we do here. It's a bit overdone for comedic effect, but there's a lot of truth there. It's too bad that this is a public perception of Wikipedia, but when I venture outside this project, I get a glimpse of this sort of thing. I really hope I am not that annoying when I offer to help new editors. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 00:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Here Wiki-newbie 18:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Superman has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" from featured status. The instructions for the FAR process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy ( Talk) 22:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
An article has been created aiming to summarise all issues of Silver Surfer, from what I can gather. There is also a related category. There is formative discussion here, although I have listed both the category and the article for deletion, and all comments are obviously welcome. Hiding Talk 20:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I am starting to see this now: multiple infoboxes for comics series articles, one for each incarnation. See: Titans (comics) and Outsiders (comics). In the case of Justice Society of America, it's a cbbox and a superteambox. How do we feel about this? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 03:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
We really do need seperate articles for characters and titles, as the current system just creates messes like these. -- Jamdav86 17:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Of note to the comics-interested editors here: ComicSpace, a social network for comics fans and professionals. You can friend me at [2]. Why I think this is relevent: I think a number of us would like to be social and talk about subjects other than Wikipedia. This is just starting, but it could develop into an appropriate place for such a thing. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 22:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I've created this as a resource: User:RobJ1981/ComicsPhotos. It has some listed, from what I found when I went through parts of various stub categories. I'm sure there is more, so feel free to add to the list. I didn't think a page like that existed yet, so I'm hoping it helps improve many articles. I don't know of places to find free source comics photos for Wikipedia, so others will need to do that part of it. RobJ1981 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Anybody remember when the Fictional deceased characters categories were deleted? This seems to be a re-creation and I want to link to the old CfD. CovenantD 23:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
check this page at the bottom. Brian Boru is awesome 06:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
This has come up a few times but never really been thrashed out. As a comic book characters are obviously fictional, is there a need to state it? It should follow that beings that can fly, are 2,000 feet tall or can shoot energy from their hands are not real. The illustration will also indicate as much.
Rather, stating "X is a character that exists in the FICTIONAL "insert company" universe should be enough. This then becomes an all-inclusive statement. We learn at a glance that (to use an example) Superman exists in the fictional DC Universe. Therefore he is also fictional. At present, the sentence structure is a tad confusing. Yes, the character is fictional, but is the respective universe? I believe the change would make for easier reading.
Thoughts?
Asgardian 22:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
This then fufils the criteria of stating that the character is fictional AND indicates their current owner/location in one stroke, without having to get into "universe" issues.
A real person (eg. Wyatt Earp) poses no problem as the statement by J.Greb (good call) still covers the criteria.
Asgardian 08:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Drew Carey is a fictional character played by real life actor Drew Carey. The life of fictional Drew Carey has almost nothing in common with the life of actor Drew Carey. Actor Drew Carey is a character. Quite a character. On the other hand, George W. Bush has a fictional character history in stories published by Marvel Comics (and many other publications). The real W. never authorized anyone to nuke the Avengers even though fictional W. did. Wryspy 09:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Asgardian 22:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there,
I was redirected here by ChrisGriswold as I have a few questions.
Thanks
RIANZ 18:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Noticed the creation of: Template:X-Men members - jc37 23:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Moved discussion to Talk:List of comic book superpowers - jc37 08:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
It looks like a vanity page to me Stephen Day 22:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
68.154.39.185 has been posting a list of Cosmic characters in a letterbox format on some pages (eg. Rom, Silver Surfer etc.). My question is was this ratified by the majority, or has this person just taken it upon themselves to do this? I ask because it was dropped into the Celestials article with no thought for what it did to the formatting of the text, and I had to do a reshuffle. If this is a Wiki-endorsed feature, can we possibly have it reduced to a small logo with a link? Surely there is no need for a list of over a dozen names running down the page in letterbox format. By that logic, every entry would have one and be part of a sub-group (eg. "Aqua", "Energy", "Sound" etc), which is already indicated by a link at the bottom of the page. I feel that it takes some of the focus away from the actual character(s) featured.
Thoughts?
Asgardian 07:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a general question: Is there any criteria for including, or not including, articles related to other media appearances of comics properties in this project?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 14:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering, would it be worthwhile to work with the Biography Project to come up with an Infobox specifically for comic book/strip professionals? -— J Greb 22:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Definitely bring this up over at the Biography Wikiproject. -- Jamdav86 15:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey. In case you weren't aware, the Dark Knight Universe article has been recreated. The talk page predates it by a few months, having been restarted in October. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Awesome Android (comics) is currently protected whilst discussion is held on the talk page as to how best to proceed with the article. The debate centres on whether or not to include a section detailing the publication history of the character. All opinions would be helpful in building a consensus. Hiding Talk 11:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 20 | ← | Archive 22 | Archive 23 | Archive 24 | Archive 25 | Archive 26 | → | Archive 30 |
Is there a certain reason it's only Marvel and DC characters? I would think independents have had major people killed off (with no return). I don't read independents much, so I wouldn't know what to add. If anyone reads them, and has good knowledge... some should be added to the list. Otherwise, the list might as well be called List of dead Marvel and DC characters. Anyone have any thoughts on this? RobJ1981 21:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed this Category:Marvel Comics deceased characters. It was created on the 13th, and it looks like an out growth of this list. Given how fluid the concept of dead comic book characters is, should this go up for CfD? — J Greb 02:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC) (On a side note... should the Stilt-Man II redirect page even exist?)
Hi folks, as you maybe know, I have been sitting on my pet project Storm (comics) for quite a while now, trying to make it a good article as of WP:GOOD and WP:WIAGA. Before I make a request, I would like to ask if the article is already close (still needs some copyedit, and obviously "stability" is not there yet) or if not, what points need to be addressed. Thanks for reading. — Onomatopoeia 09:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Does spy organizations and buisnesses count as alliances? Example Roy Harper alliance=Checkmate along with some others. Leave Checkamte as is? I deleted alliances of some businesses like Wayne Enterprises for Batman. Brian Boru is awesome 18:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to point this out, as many here would likely be interested or excited by the possibilities in using comic art to communicate article information. Postdlf 10:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm just glad to know that a few people are appreciating the comics, even though there's disagreement about their usage. Right now, of course, Sherlock Holmes couldn't track them down on the site. But I'm confident that a sensible approach will emerge. If not, there's life on other planets: Several comics already have cropped up on a blog or two, and the Creative Commons license allows them to be used elsewhere -- which hasn't gone unnoticed. (It would be hard to beat the visibility of a main page or portal in Wikipedia, but that's clearly not my call.) -- Greg Williams 15:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There appears to be a problem with this user. He keeps moving Abe Jenkins to MACH-IV (Marvel Comics). The page has had to be moved back a couple of time now. I went to his talk page and it looks like he has been warned about this already. There is also a message about him doing the same thing to Erik Josten on his talk page as well. At this time it doesn't look like he understands why those pages are where they are nor does it seem like he wants to listen at all. Stephen Day 07:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I've got another user on my back about citations for a fictional superpower. They aren't accepting my referencing of a fantasy role play game, so I'm looking for a comic book citation as comic books references are hard currency for super powers.
I need loads of examples of the word "electrokinesis" or "electrokinetic" (the word, rather than just the ability) being use in a comic book, or in an interview by a comic book writer, illustrator or publisher. As specific as possible (for example issue and page number), and as many as possible would be good.
Also, anybody in authority in the comic book world speaking on the record about these words in relation to Static would be great.
perfectblue 14:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
How about in an interview about a comic book character. I've got it in role play games etc, but comics are harder currency for citations when it comes to pedantic users. They're harder to dispute and easier to defend.
perfectblue 15:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that when you went though it you labeled most things with kenisis on the end as neologisms, even if they weren't, and that attitude kind of stuck. I'm trying to undo the damage done by some of this.
While there were loads of neologism flying around, Electrokinesis isn't one of them, it is actually a real term in science (though it doesn't mean throwing lightning bolts around), and it has existed in fiction for years. For example, there are rules for electrokinetic powers is GURPS and it is used in [1] often enough in connection to electricity powers for it to be considered a real fictional power and not a neologism.
While DC and Marvel might not be using it (they often never name their powers anyway, and so aren't a reliable gauge here), other people are. I'm going to have to stand by my guns on this. Electrokenitic has been unfairly swept up in the anti-neologism drive, and I want to get this label removed. Role play uses it, fiction uses it, it's not a fan word.
perfectblue 07:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Who are these "other people"? Just provide your sources. Sci Fi Wire can use a neologism. Find original sources. Is the word ever used in the actual comics? Any comics? (Although, you'd really need enough sources to show it wasn't just used on a rare occasion anyway.) The use of this word in science is not the same use of the word for a superpower. As a superpower term, it's a neologism. Doczilla 07:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Notice the quotation marks on 'electrokinetic' in the Sci Fi Wire article. Your own source indicates that it is not an appropriate use of the word. Doczilla 07:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
I think some of the other editors might find this interesting/relevent to what we do here. It's a bit overdone for comedic effect, but there's a lot of truth there. It's too bad that this is a public perception of Wikipedia, but when I venture outside this project, I get a glimpse of this sort of thing. I really hope I am not that annoying when I offer to help new editors. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 00:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Here Wiki-newbie 18:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Superman has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" from featured status. The instructions for the FAR process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy ( Talk) 22:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
An article has been created aiming to summarise all issues of Silver Surfer, from what I can gather. There is also a related category. There is formative discussion here, although I have listed both the category and the article for deletion, and all comments are obviously welcome. Hiding Talk 20:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I am starting to see this now: multiple infoboxes for comics series articles, one for each incarnation. See: Titans (comics) and Outsiders (comics). In the case of Justice Society of America, it's a cbbox and a superteambox. How do we feel about this? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 03:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
We really do need seperate articles for characters and titles, as the current system just creates messes like these. -- Jamdav86 17:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Of note to the comics-interested editors here: ComicSpace, a social network for comics fans and professionals. You can friend me at [2]. Why I think this is relevent: I think a number of us would like to be social and talk about subjects other than Wikipedia. This is just starting, but it could develop into an appropriate place for such a thing. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 22:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I've created this as a resource: User:RobJ1981/ComicsPhotos. It has some listed, from what I found when I went through parts of various stub categories. I'm sure there is more, so feel free to add to the list. I didn't think a page like that existed yet, so I'm hoping it helps improve many articles. I don't know of places to find free source comics photos for Wikipedia, so others will need to do that part of it. RobJ1981 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Anybody remember when the Fictional deceased characters categories were deleted? This seems to be a re-creation and I want to link to the old CfD. CovenantD 23:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
check this page at the bottom. Brian Boru is awesome 06:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
This has come up a few times but never really been thrashed out. As a comic book characters are obviously fictional, is there a need to state it? It should follow that beings that can fly, are 2,000 feet tall or can shoot energy from their hands are not real. The illustration will also indicate as much.
Rather, stating "X is a character that exists in the FICTIONAL "insert company" universe should be enough. This then becomes an all-inclusive statement. We learn at a glance that (to use an example) Superman exists in the fictional DC Universe. Therefore he is also fictional. At present, the sentence structure is a tad confusing. Yes, the character is fictional, but is the respective universe? I believe the change would make for easier reading.
Thoughts?
Asgardian 22:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
This then fufils the criteria of stating that the character is fictional AND indicates their current owner/location in one stroke, without having to get into "universe" issues.
A real person (eg. Wyatt Earp) poses no problem as the statement by J.Greb (good call) still covers the criteria.
Asgardian 08:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Drew Carey is a fictional character played by real life actor Drew Carey. The life of fictional Drew Carey has almost nothing in common with the life of actor Drew Carey. Actor Drew Carey is a character. Quite a character. On the other hand, George W. Bush has a fictional character history in stories published by Marvel Comics (and many other publications). The real W. never authorized anyone to nuke the Avengers even though fictional W. did. Wryspy 09:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Asgardian 22:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there,
I was redirected here by ChrisGriswold as I have a few questions.
Thanks
RIANZ 18:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Noticed the creation of: Template:X-Men members - jc37 23:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Moved discussion to Talk:List of comic book superpowers - jc37 08:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
It looks like a vanity page to me Stephen Day 22:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
68.154.39.185 has been posting a list of Cosmic characters in a letterbox format on some pages (eg. Rom, Silver Surfer etc.). My question is was this ratified by the majority, or has this person just taken it upon themselves to do this? I ask because it was dropped into the Celestials article with no thought for what it did to the formatting of the text, and I had to do a reshuffle. If this is a Wiki-endorsed feature, can we possibly have it reduced to a small logo with a link? Surely there is no need for a list of over a dozen names running down the page in letterbox format. By that logic, every entry would have one and be part of a sub-group (eg. "Aqua", "Energy", "Sound" etc), which is already indicated by a link at the bottom of the page. I feel that it takes some of the focus away from the actual character(s) featured.
Thoughts?
Asgardian 07:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a general question: Is there any criteria for including, or not including, articles related to other media appearances of comics properties in this project?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 14:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering, would it be worthwhile to work with the Biography Project to come up with an Infobox specifically for comic book/strip professionals? -— J Greb 22:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Definitely bring this up over at the Biography Wikiproject. -- Jamdav86 15:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey. In case you weren't aware, the Dark Knight Universe article has been recreated. The talk page predates it by a few months, having been restarted in October. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Awesome Android (comics) is currently protected whilst discussion is held on the talk page as to how best to proceed with the article. The debate centres on whether or not to include a section detailing the publication history of the character. All opinions would be helpful in building a consensus. Hiding Talk 11:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)