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Discuss!
--I don't know that filling out all the stubs should be a priority, certainly not the first priority, seeing as how we're talking about organizing the hirarchy of categories; as a result of the organization, some of these stubs may drop into irrelevance. (Plus some of them seem pretty irrelevant to me no matter what the eventual article structure--we've already talked about Panelology.) So I suggest that if there's a request to fill out stubs, it should point to a curated list of info that seems needed. But it may make more sense just to drop this for now, and focus on how to organize the existing information; that'd be my vote.-- BTfromLA 18:49, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Which gives us a good idea of what the relevant articles are. To this should also be added sequential art. There's also a Comics Category, which we should keep in mind. - leigh (φθόγγος) 22:29, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
Who cares about the invidual, when it is the larger wikipedia society that counts? If -ONE- person finds the word "pamphlet" offensive, whilst on the net, I suggest they get out in the world and change, before coming to insist that the world changes for them. It's not a big thing, and no-one should bow to their "vocifery"...Much less act as if one is solving a big problem. There are so many worse things to bump into on the 'net, and of all that, complain about the use of a word? Insignificant! -- OleMurder 09:39, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
BTfromLA 07:11, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Craig (craig.lz). I joined today, and have started reading up, but I had to contribute this item (Australian comics) as a category that I am wanting to work in. Apart from living in au, and enjoying some of the work of aussie creators like David Yardin on early issues of Marvel's District X (as of this writing that page is a copyright violation, and needs to be cleared. But, How?), Australia has a number of other budding creators with work done, or lined up in the US (like Daren White, Eddie Campbell, Nicola Scott, Colin Wilson, Stewart McKenny, Jon Sommariva etc). Also, Australia has a small industry that would make a good, albeit small, category at Wikipedia. Craig.lz
I think that all the articles could be illustrated with at least one picture; after all, comics is a graphic medium. The thing I am unsure of is, can we use any copyrighted/trademarked images? Some of the articles have cover scans. It that "fair use"? ike9898 23:25, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
IANAL, but after reading fair use, Wikipedia:fair use, and Wikipedia:image description page#fair use rationale, I have come to a pretty firm "yes" vote. They are fair use. I suggest the following recommendations:
The last three would be recommended, but not strictly required (since, at least in the Big Two, everything belongs to the publisher anyway and creators are irrelevant - speaking of which, we need an article on the creators' rights movement). Comments? - leigh (φθόγγος) 01:10, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I have had a bit of experience contacting comics artists and publishers about using repros alongside critical articles or interviews. The consistent response has been yes, go ahead and reprint images, but do not reprint an entire work (or a significantly long section of an expansive piece). These are all "alternative" comics people--no Marvel or DC--but based on my experience, it seems unlikely that well-credited cover images or images of single pages or panels would offend the copyright owners. I am not a lawyer, either--I'm just generalizing from experiences I've had with print publications. As to the attitude of "mainstream" companies or Manga publishers--your guess is as good as mine.-- BTfromLA 01:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I found used random page and found a artice from another project and they had "no image avalible" image, does anyone here know how to make one for this project?
Should these two be separated? I understand that the two articles refer to separate chronological periods, but are these terms universally distinguished and understood to refer to these two chronological periods? My instinct is to merge both of them into a single article as two big subheadings, in a generally chronological arrangement. That, or have a "history of independent comics" article with many links to various periods and movements, similar to, say, History of France. Ike, BT, Dodger, I realize you guys had this discussion months ago, and the articles as they are now are full of good stuff, but I wish we could use titles that sound less arbitrary than "Underground" versus "Alternative." You know what I mean? - leigh (φθόγγος) 07:00, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Okay, I'm convinced. - leigh (φθόγγος) 23:34, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I really think that these are the same topic. I suggest a merge. ike9898 20:06, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Comic strips. It doesn't look highly active, though, at least from first glance. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:06, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics has been independently founded. It's still pretty new and lacks structure, and I think it would benefit from some coordination with this fine project. How would I go about nominating it for descendantship? — Gwalla | Talk 00:38, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think the categories relating to comics near some clarification. What is the difference between an "American comics artist" and an "American cartoonist". (My personal bias - if I drew comics I wouldn't want to be called a cartoonist). ike9898 01:12, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
I've created the new
Category:Comic creators and have asked for an auto-categorization task (see
Wikipedia:Auto-categorization). If this is not what was meant to be... you should hurry up and try to intercept the request.
Lvr 14:50, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think that we need to make it a priority to get more users involved in this WikiProject. It won't mean much for the 4 of us involved at this point to reach a consensus. The more interested users that have their say here, the more meaningful the final decisions will be.
This might happen naturally, as we begin to make changes. We should invite anyone who doesn't like particular changes to discuss them here. {This part was by ike9898}
Hi, I am new to the project, but since most of the content I have added to Wikipedia has been about comics I'd like to help. I think a universal formating system is a good idea. I know that formating has been a major problem on a couple articals that I have helped write. Kevin Jones 15:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I make my introduction under Regional Categories, but I have been working on Wikipedia since late 2004, and eventually discovered the comics pages which I have minor edited and updated as needed. I've started reading up on the relevant articles with a view to create new articles (I am working on creator bios, particularly writers). I've noticed that the organising of articles is an ongoing process that I could find myself becoming interested in. Craig Feb 27.
Templates are discussed at /templates.
Maybe even before we work on templates (aside from the project notice, which will be quick, easy, and uncontroversial), we should think seriously about organization. See my ideas here. - leigh (φθόγγος) 01:56, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
I just ran across Wolverine (comics), and while it's not perfect (it could use some copy editing, for one), I really like its organization and structure for use with comic characters. Good introduction stating the basics and why he's important, his publication history, his fictional biography, his powers, his appearances in other media, and enemies. What do you guys think? - leigh (φθόγγος) 00:59, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
We should also think about how infoboxes will play into this, if we decide to go that route (see here). - leigh (φθόγγος) 00:59, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
Here's a question that came up regarding X-Force that I think applies to all comic series that share a name with their main character(s):
Some thoughts on exemplars and format for articles about superheroes and super villains and teams:
I think most articles about superheroes, supervillains and teams should begin under the following structure:
“{Name of character} ({birth name}) is a {Name of comic book company} {superhero/villain/team}. Created by {creator(s)}, he/she/they first appeared in {Name of series} #{issue number} ({year}).”
For example: Daredevil (Matt Murdock) is a Marvel Comics superhero. Created by Stan Lee and Bill Everett, he first appeared in Daredevil #1 (1964).
And then the intro should include a small overview about the character or team and his/her/its significance to a certain comic book family, comic books in general and, if applicable, popular culture in general.
Some exceptions would include:
Some things I think should be prohibited, unless there are specific circumstances to warrant them:
The idea of having both a “publication history” and a “fictional biography” is not a bad one but it leads to several problems:
1) What is the definition of either term? Is a publication history simply a recap of which series have featured a character and when? Or does it also include creators who worked on the series and the contributions they made to the character’s mythos? Is a fictional biography a telling of the history of Peter Parker or Reed Richards as if he were Sigmund Freud or Mohammed Ali? Does it identify reconned information as so or does the fact that Wolverine was born on an Alberto plantation at the turn of the century go up top even though it is a recently added part of the characters’ mythos?
2) In my opinion, a “fictional biography” heading is not a license to speak about a fictional character as if he were a real person. It is more useful, in my mind, to discuss how Wolverine and his character have changed over time than it is to recount the whole messy history as if it were fact.
3) Often bits of information are repeated. Both the publication history and the fictional biography in the Wolverine section tell readers that:
Personally, I think publication histories should be just that. A short description of the publications the character has starred in or regularly appeared in over the years. This may not be nessescary for characters whose history has, more or less, unfolded in only one series ( Daredevil, The Fantastic Four).
"Fictional Biography" should include a character's history, who added what aspects to the character and when. Writers should resist the temptation to discuss a fictional character as if he/she were a real person. Writers should not be afraid to use phrases like "Claremont then changed…" or "Marvel decided to..." or "Fan reaction was mixed” in the "fictional biography section." - User:Rorschach567, 12/21/04
Or is that too vague and useless? I really haven't wrapped my mind around this problem yet. I could live with your suggestions, though. - leigh (φθόγγος) 08:37, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
For a property like Green Lantern or The Flash or any other superhero title that has been used by several characters, is the correct first sentence:
A) "The Flash is a DC Comics superhero." -or- B) "The Flash is the name of several DC Comics superheroes."
Technically, B is more correct but some may think that The Flash is a group or a name a few superheroes got coincidently. From a marketing perspective, though, A is more correct. DC has never treated the Wally West Flash and the Barry Allen Flash as separate commercial properties. I’m not really sure about this one. - User:Rorschach567, 12/21/04
Why is the main entry as two words? I'm sure that's the way that Oxford and micrsoft, much as "web site" is only allowed as two words on MS Word, but I've always seen it spelled webcomic.
I just don't think that it looks right. Like if the entry for "weblog" redirected to "web log".
May just be me though.
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I have a feeling Jimmy Corrigan (which begins "Jimmy Corrigan is the title character from the graphic novel Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth by Chris Ware," and goes on to describe the work as a whole) should be moved to Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth. - leigh (φθόγγος) 09:11, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I have had several UK comics floating around for ages, can't sell them - was going to throw them out, but decided to preserve them first in Wikipedia. Some of these are adult comics similar to Viz- I shall start on them first, then more children's comics. I've created a sub category under comic books, Adult humour comic books, to group these.
Vodex 13:39, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
Rorschach and I are trying to beat Rob Liefeld into shape; interested parties are welcome to comment or contribute. - leigh (φθόγγος) 18:47, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
I propose a weekly article be selected as Comics colaboration of the week, with the goal of raising the article to true encyclopedia quality, and worth of featured article status. Any thoughts? ike9898 20:12, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
As it's part of a WikiProject, I just want to list here that Mister X (comics) needs Wikification. Not sure if there's a specific topic for this, I could't find it at first glance. I figured you guys would be the most logical canidates, rather than the general needs Wikification list. -- GaidinBDJ 12:30, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
The archivist and creators' rights activist in me wishes that every comic-book illustration we put on Wikipedia could have the artist and source credited. I realize that sometimes that information's not easily accessible (although databases like The Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics Creators and The Grand Comic Book Database can help tremendously), and I'll let community consensus decide whether we should still use those images, but we should always strive to give credit where credit's due. Something like Image:Flash97.jpg, I should think. - leigh (φθόγγος) 01:31, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like you to see the article Raven (comics) and try to improve it. I've already did some formatting, a listing in Requests for Expansion but nothing happens and I don't know where to go. The article still remains being a small description of this Teen Titans member. If someone could do something, it would be helpful. -- Neigel von Teighen 22:06, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I propose that categories grouping comic book characters according to particular attributes should be subcategories only of the single explicitly-relevant super-category; in particular, that the "by publisher" categories should only contain those sub-categories that explicitly relate to that attribute.
Examples:
I have a number of reasons for feeling that this is a good move, not all of which I can articulate. The original one comes of considering the results of the present system at the article level: if we consider the Categories panel at the bottom of an article as a brief summary of who/what the subject of the article is, many superhero and supervillain articles in Wikipedia have the same significant omission. If one goes to, for instance, Superman, one can see from the list of categories that Superman is a member of the Justice League and of the Justice Society (whatever they are), but not the fairly fundamental information that he is a DC Comics superhero.
Thoughts? -- Paul A 05:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If you want some work (and surely you've got a lot), how about reviewing and trying to expand the Teen Titans related articles? I'm not talking about the Teen Titans article itself, but rather about the articles about the members of the group. If anyone wants... -- Neigel von Teighen 20:29, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Is this template helpful? See Template talk:Superherobox. - Sean Curtin 01:53, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
(see #Introductions to articles, above)
I like "{Name of character} ({birth name}) is a {Name of comic book company} {superhero/villain/team}." - but it doesn't obviously scale easily. IOW, how would one expand it for, say, Captain Marvel, who has belonged to more than one company? -- Paul A 03:00, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
564 articles in here and counting. This really needs broken up into several sub-categories soon - looking through it, and from what I was talking about above with BTfromLA, Marvel-Comics-stub, DC-Comics-stub and comics-creators-stub are three I would make immediately, with a few others like DC-Thompson-comics-stub possible if there are still a lot left. I don't know how to make them into actual sub-categories of comics-stub though, so I'll leave it to someone who does. Any takers? SoM 20:11, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A minor suggestion but would it be possible to put a date on the first appearance in the template? To use the example shown, we know that Wolverine first appeared in Incredible Hulk #181 but the reader wouldn't know what year that was (although in this case the date is in the accompanying article). I'd think that putting the first appearance as Incredible Hulk #181 (1974) would be useful. MK2 07:39, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
How long is too long? Personally, I prefer to keep these as short as possible - half a screenful, preferably less (I'm running 1024×768, 10pt Arial, Firefox on Windows XP, for reference). When you start adding strength level/etc numbers, copied from a OHOTMU/Who's Who/Encyclopedia/etc, lists of "feats", pseudo-scientific guff that a Handbook used to explain away a scientifically-impossible power or anything of the sort, I think you're definately going too far.
What does everyone else think? - SoM 22:33, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm new to this group, though I've begun adding stuff to my favorite character's page. ( Zatanna) I am wondering, would anyone be interested in doing biographical entries on comics writer/artists/editors and others? (I call dibs on Paul Dini, Gail Simone, Bob Rozakis, and Kim Yale.) Orville_Eastland 22:43, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)
Category:Quality Comics characters is currently listed at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. It would be appreciated if more people would contribute their thoughts on the issues involved. -- Paul A 06:06, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Check the Apocalypse (comics) entry for the first mention of the Celestials and note that it is unlinked even though there is an entry for the Celestials.
Just pondering whether any have thought about this at length. Considering that there is some viable information out there regarding them and since they have had a hand in main events like the existence of Galactus, the exile of a good portion of the non-mutant heroes and Dr. Doom to alternate worlds/universes and were even partially responsible for contributing to Apocalypse's heightened immortality. User:Tupsharru
Re: House of M - it's a bunch of promo quotes, completely unencyclopediac at best and copyvio at worst. Needs a complete rewrite (or to be deleted and redone when there's actual info). - SoM 17:35, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I just cleaned up and fixed the Hellspawn page. Is it long enough now to remove the stub template? -- Kross 07:21, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of stubs, I'm also removing the one in the Dark Phoenix Saga article. I don't really see any reason for it to be there. -- Kross 18:39, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Since it didn't look like they were going to be merged anytime soon, I just copied and pasted info from one article onto the other and used creative editing. I also turned one of the articles into a redirect. I'm on a roll. =D -- Kross 19:02, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently joined the project, and have just finished first cuts of pages on Geof Darrow and Ted McKeever. They're a good start, but others must have more to add. I haven't been able to find much in the way of Ted McK biog - anyone know any more? Also, the summaries of his stuff that I've included is mostly from memory, so may not be 100%. Will re-read shortly and improve, unless someone gets there first. I will upload a few more examples of both of their work soon. I'm not going to be much help with the Superhero stuff I'm afraid, but will try and help out where I can on some of the more 'alternative' stuff and in particular British artists and writers, and 2000 AD. -- Bwmodular 13:29, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I proposed the following mergers:
I hope to have some opinions. Bye -- Crazy runner ( talk) 23:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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Please add new archivals to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive02. Thank you. Hiding 19:34, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Discuss!
--I don't know that filling out all the stubs should be a priority, certainly not the first priority, seeing as how we're talking about organizing the hirarchy of categories; as a result of the organization, some of these stubs may drop into irrelevance. (Plus some of them seem pretty irrelevant to me no matter what the eventual article structure--we've already talked about Panelology.) So I suggest that if there's a request to fill out stubs, it should point to a curated list of info that seems needed. But it may make more sense just to drop this for now, and focus on how to organize the existing information; that'd be my vote.-- BTfromLA 18:49, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Which gives us a good idea of what the relevant articles are. To this should also be added sequential art. There's also a Comics Category, which we should keep in mind. - leigh (φθόγγος) 22:29, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
Who cares about the invidual, when it is the larger wikipedia society that counts? If -ONE- person finds the word "pamphlet" offensive, whilst on the net, I suggest they get out in the world and change, before coming to insist that the world changes for them. It's not a big thing, and no-one should bow to their "vocifery"...Much less act as if one is solving a big problem. There are so many worse things to bump into on the 'net, and of all that, complain about the use of a word? Insignificant! -- OleMurder 09:39, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm Craig (craig.lz). I joined today, and have started reading up, but I had to contribute this item (Australian comics) as a category that I am wanting to work in. Apart from living in au, and enjoying some of the work of aussie creators like David Yardin on early issues of Marvel's District X (as of this writing that page is a copyright violation, and needs to be cleared. But, How?), Australia has a number of other budding creators with work done, or lined up in the US (like Daren White, Eddie Campbell, Nicola Scott, Colin Wilson, Stewart McKenny, Jon Sommariva etc). Also, Australia has a small industry that would make a good, albeit small, category at Wikipedia. Craig.lz
I think that all the articles could be illustrated with at least one picture; after all, comics is a graphic medium. The thing I am unsure of is, can we use any copyrighted/trademarked images? Some of the articles have cover scans. It that "fair use"? ike9898 23:25, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
IANAL, but after reading fair use, Wikipedia:fair use, and Wikipedia:image description page#fair use rationale, I have come to a pretty firm "yes" vote. They are fair use. I suggest the following recommendations:
The last three would be recommended, but not strictly required (since, at least in the Big Two, everything belongs to the publisher anyway and creators are irrelevant - speaking of which, we need an article on the creators' rights movement). Comments? - leigh (φθόγγος) 01:10, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I have had a bit of experience contacting comics artists and publishers about using repros alongside critical articles or interviews. The consistent response has been yes, go ahead and reprint images, but do not reprint an entire work (or a significantly long section of an expansive piece). These are all "alternative" comics people--no Marvel or DC--but based on my experience, it seems unlikely that well-credited cover images or images of single pages or panels would offend the copyright owners. I am not a lawyer, either--I'm just generalizing from experiences I've had with print publications. As to the attitude of "mainstream" companies or Manga publishers--your guess is as good as mine.-- BTfromLA 01:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I found used random page and found a artice from another project and they had "no image avalible" image, does anyone here know how to make one for this project?
Should these two be separated? I understand that the two articles refer to separate chronological periods, but are these terms universally distinguished and understood to refer to these two chronological periods? My instinct is to merge both of them into a single article as two big subheadings, in a generally chronological arrangement. That, or have a "history of independent comics" article with many links to various periods and movements, similar to, say, History of France. Ike, BT, Dodger, I realize you guys had this discussion months ago, and the articles as they are now are full of good stuff, but I wish we could use titles that sound less arbitrary than "Underground" versus "Alternative." You know what I mean? - leigh (φθόγγος) 07:00, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Okay, I'm convinced. - leigh (φθόγγος) 23:34, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I really think that these are the same topic. I suggest a merge. ike9898 20:06, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Comic strips. It doesn't look highly active, though, at least from first glance. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:06, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics has been independently founded. It's still pretty new and lacks structure, and I think it would benefit from some coordination with this fine project. How would I go about nominating it for descendantship? — Gwalla | Talk 00:38, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think the categories relating to comics near some clarification. What is the difference between an "American comics artist" and an "American cartoonist". (My personal bias - if I drew comics I wouldn't want to be called a cartoonist). ike9898 01:12, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
I've created the new
Category:Comic creators and have asked for an auto-categorization task (see
Wikipedia:Auto-categorization). If this is not what was meant to be... you should hurry up and try to intercept the request.
Lvr 14:50, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think that we need to make it a priority to get more users involved in this WikiProject. It won't mean much for the 4 of us involved at this point to reach a consensus. The more interested users that have their say here, the more meaningful the final decisions will be.
This might happen naturally, as we begin to make changes. We should invite anyone who doesn't like particular changes to discuss them here. {This part was by ike9898}
Hi, I am new to the project, but since most of the content I have added to Wikipedia has been about comics I'd like to help. I think a universal formating system is a good idea. I know that formating has been a major problem on a couple articals that I have helped write. Kevin Jones 15:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I make my introduction under Regional Categories, but I have been working on Wikipedia since late 2004, and eventually discovered the comics pages which I have minor edited and updated as needed. I've started reading up on the relevant articles with a view to create new articles (I am working on creator bios, particularly writers). I've noticed that the organising of articles is an ongoing process that I could find myself becoming interested in. Craig Feb 27.
Templates are discussed at /templates.
Maybe even before we work on templates (aside from the project notice, which will be quick, easy, and uncontroversial), we should think seriously about organization. See my ideas here. - leigh (φθόγγος) 01:56, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
I just ran across Wolverine (comics), and while it's not perfect (it could use some copy editing, for one), I really like its organization and structure for use with comic characters. Good introduction stating the basics and why he's important, his publication history, his fictional biography, his powers, his appearances in other media, and enemies. What do you guys think? - leigh (φθόγγος) 00:59, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
We should also think about how infoboxes will play into this, if we decide to go that route (see here). - leigh (φθόγγος) 00:59, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
Here's a question that came up regarding X-Force that I think applies to all comic series that share a name with their main character(s):
Some thoughts on exemplars and format for articles about superheroes and super villains and teams:
I think most articles about superheroes, supervillains and teams should begin under the following structure:
“{Name of character} ({birth name}) is a {Name of comic book company} {superhero/villain/team}. Created by {creator(s)}, he/she/they first appeared in {Name of series} #{issue number} ({year}).”
For example: Daredevil (Matt Murdock) is a Marvel Comics superhero. Created by Stan Lee and Bill Everett, he first appeared in Daredevil #1 (1964).
And then the intro should include a small overview about the character or team and his/her/its significance to a certain comic book family, comic books in general and, if applicable, popular culture in general.
Some exceptions would include:
Some things I think should be prohibited, unless there are specific circumstances to warrant them:
The idea of having both a “publication history” and a “fictional biography” is not a bad one but it leads to several problems:
1) What is the definition of either term? Is a publication history simply a recap of which series have featured a character and when? Or does it also include creators who worked on the series and the contributions they made to the character’s mythos? Is a fictional biography a telling of the history of Peter Parker or Reed Richards as if he were Sigmund Freud or Mohammed Ali? Does it identify reconned information as so or does the fact that Wolverine was born on an Alberto plantation at the turn of the century go up top even though it is a recently added part of the characters’ mythos?
2) In my opinion, a “fictional biography” heading is not a license to speak about a fictional character as if he were a real person. It is more useful, in my mind, to discuss how Wolverine and his character have changed over time than it is to recount the whole messy history as if it were fact.
3) Often bits of information are repeated. Both the publication history and the fictional biography in the Wolverine section tell readers that:
Personally, I think publication histories should be just that. A short description of the publications the character has starred in or regularly appeared in over the years. This may not be nessescary for characters whose history has, more or less, unfolded in only one series ( Daredevil, The Fantastic Four).
"Fictional Biography" should include a character's history, who added what aspects to the character and when. Writers should resist the temptation to discuss a fictional character as if he/she were a real person. Writers should not be afraid to use phrases like "Claremont then changed…" or "Marvel decided to..." or "Fan reaction was mixed” in the "fictional biography section." - User:Rorschach567, 12/21/04
Or is that too vague and useless? I really haven't wrapped my mind around this problem yet. I could live with your suggestions, though. - leigh (φθόγγος) 08:37, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
For a property like Green Lantern or The Flash or any other superhero title that has been used by several characters, is the correct first sentence:
A) "The Flash is a DC Comics superhero." -or- B) "The Flash is the name of several DC Comics superheroes."
Technically, B is more correct but some may think that The Flash is a group or a name a few superheroes got coincidently. From a marketing perspective, though, A is more correct. DC has never treated the Wally West Flash and the Barry Allen Flash as separate commercial properties. I’m not really sure about this one. - User:Rorschach567, 12/21/04
Why is the main entry as two words? I'm sure that's the way that Oxford and micrsoft, much as "web site" is only allowed as two words on MS Word, but I've always seen it spelled webcomic.
I just don't think that it looks right. Like if the entry for "weblog" redirected to "web log".
May just be me though.
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I have a feeling Jimmy Corrigan (which begins "Jimmy Corrigan is the title character from the graphic novel Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth by Chris Ware," and goes on to describe the work as a whole) should be moved to Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth. - leigh (φθόγγος) 09:11, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I have had several UK comics floating around for ages, can't sell them - was going to throw them out, but decided to preserve them first in Wikipedia. Some of these are adult comics similar to Viz- I shall start on them first, then more children's comics. I've created a sub category under comic books, Adult humour comic books, to group these.
Vodex 13:39, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
Rorschach and I are trying to beat Rob Liefeld into shape; interested parties are welcome to comment or contribute. - leigh (φθόγγος) 18:47, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
I propose a weekly article be selected as Comics colaboration of the week, with the goal of raising the article to true encyclopedia quality, and worth of featured article status. Any thoughts? ike9898 20:12, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
As it's part of a WikiProject, I just want to list here that Mister X (comics) needs Wikification. Not sure if there's a specific topic for this, I could't find it at first glance. I figured you guys would be the most logical canidates, rather than the general needs Wikification list. -- GaidinBDJ 12:30, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
The archivist and creators' rights activist in me wishes that every comic-book illustration we put on Wikipedia could have the artist and source credited. I realize that sometimes that information's not easily accessible (although databases like The Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics Creators and The Grand Comic Book Database can help tremendously), and I'll let community consensus decide whether we should still use those images, but we should always strive to give credit where credit's due. Something like Image:Flash97.jpg, I should think. - leigh (φθόγγος) 01:31, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like you to see the article Raven (comics) and try to improve it. I've already did some formatting, a listing in Requests for Expansion but nothing happens and I don't know where to go. The article still remains being a small description of this Teen Titans member. If someone could do something, it would be helpful. -- Neigel von Teighen 22:06, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I propose that categories grouping comic book characters according to particular attributes should be subcategories only of the single explicitly-relevant super-category; in particular, that the "by publisher" categories should only contain those sub-categories that explicitly relate to that attribute.
Examples:
I have a number of reasons for feeling that this is a good move, not all of which I can articulate. The original one comes of considering the results of the present system at the article level: if we consider the Categories panel at the bottom of an article as a brief summary of who/what the subject of the article is, many superhero and supervillain articles in Wikipedia have the same significant omission. If one goes to, for instance, Superman, one can see from the list of categories that Superman is a member of the Justice League and of the Justice Society (whatever they are), but not the fairly fundamental information that he is a DC Comics superhero.
Thoughts? -- Paul A 05:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If you want some work (and surely you've got a lot), how about reviewing and trying to expand the Teen Titans related articles? I'm not talking about the Teen Titans article itself, but rather about the articles about the members of the group. If anyone wants... -- Neigel von Teighen 20:29, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Is this template helpful? See Template talk:Superherobox. - Sean Curtin 01:53, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
(see #Introductions to articles, above)
I like "{Name of character} ({birth name}) is a {Name of comic book company} {superhero/villain/team}." - but it doesn't obviously scale easily. IOW, how would one expand it for, say, Captain Marvel, who has belonged to more than one company? -- Paul A 03:00, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
564 articles in here and counting. This really needs broken up into several sub-categories soon - looking through it, and from what I was talking about above with BTfromLA, Marvel-Comics-stub, DC-Comics-stub and comics-creators-stub are three I would make immediately, with a few others like DC-Thompson-comics-stub possible if there are still a lot left. I don't know how to make them into actual sub-categories of comics-stub though, so I'll leave it to someone who does. Any takers? SoM 20:11, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A minor suggestion but would it be possible to put a date on the first appearance in the template? To use the example shown, we know that Wolverine first appeared in Incredible Hulk #181 but the reader wouldn't know what year that was (although in this case the date is in the accompanying article). I'd think that putting the first appearance as Incredible Hulk #181 (1974) would be useful. MK2 07:39, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
How long is too long? Personally, I prefer to keep these as short as possible - half a screenful, preferably less (I'm running 1024×768, 10pt Arial, Firefox on Windows XP, for reference). When you start adding strength level/etc numbers, copied from a OHOTMU/Who's Who/Encyclopedia/etc, lists of "feats", pseudo-scientific guff that a Handbook used to explain away a scientifically-impossible power or anything of the sort, I think you're definately going too far.
What does everyone else think? - SoM 22:33, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm new to this group, though I've begun adding stuff to my favorite character's page. ( Zatanna) I am wondering, would anyone be interested in doing biographical entries on comics writer/artists/editors and others? (I call dibs on Paul Dini, Gail Simone, Bob Rozakis, and Kim Yale.) Orville_Eastland 22:43, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)
Category:Quality Comics characters is currently listed at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. It would be appreciated if more people would contribute their thoughts on the issues involved. -- Paul A 06:06, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Check the Apocalypse (comics) entry for the first mention of the Celestials and note that it is unlinked even though there is an entry for the Celestials.
Just pondering whether any have thought about this at length. Considering that there is some viable information out there regarding them and since they have had a hand in main events like the existence of Galactus, the exile of a good portion of the non-mutant heroes and Dr. Doom to alternate worlds/universes and were even partially responsible for contributing to Apocalypse's heightened immortality. User:Tupsharru
Re: House of M - it's a bunch of promo quotes, completely unencyclopediac at best and copyvio at worst. Needs a complete rewrite (or to be deleted and redone when there's actual info). - SoM 17:35, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I just cleaned up and fixed the Hellspawn page. Is it long enough now to remove the stub template? -- Kross 07:21, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of stubs, I'm also removing the one in the Dark Phoenix Saga article. I don't really see any reason for it to be there. -- Kross 18:39, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Since it didn't look like they were going to be merged anytime soon, I just copied and pasted info from one article onto the other and used creative editing. I also turned one of the articles into a redirect. I'm on a roll. =D -- Kross 19:02, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently joined the project, and have just finished first cuts of pages on Geof Darrow and Ted McKeever. They're a good start, but others must have more to add. I haven't been able to find much in the way of Ted McK biog - anyone know any more? Also, the summaries of his stuff that I've included is mostly from memory, so may not be 100%. Will re-read shortly and improve, unless someone gets there first. I will upload a few more examples of both of their work soon. I'm not going to be much help with the Superhero stuff I'm afraid, but will try and help out where I can on some of the more 'alternative' stuff and in particular British artists and writers, and 2000 AD. -- Bwmodular 13:29, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I proposed the following mergers:
I hope to have some opinions. Bye -- Crazy runner ( talk) 23:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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