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Hi, don't know if this is the right place to post but don't know where else to report it...basically the edit counters I use at Toolserver are down, reporting an "Page not found (404)" error message. This refers to the edit and action counter and the list of articles created, which are the only ones I use...regards, Giant Snowman 03:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
The above-mentioned discussion has been archived at
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 57#Articles created.
Graham
87 09:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
How can I transclude the content of a webpage? Please help me. Thank you. -- Amit ( Talk | Contribs) 16:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2009 January 1 - why are there still subpages under IfD, when the process was moved to FfD? This makes searches annoying. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 13:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The 'bot is busy renaming the 2006 sub-pages as I type this. Uncle G ( talk) 00:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I regularly use navigation popups to disambigaue links, and it's brilliantly efficient tool for the job.
However, today it has stopped loading the "show changes" view after it has made its changes. Viewing the changes is essential when using it on anything except a very short stub articles to check that the correct links have been disambiguated, so the remocal of automatic preview requires an editor to sscroll down, find the "show chnages" button, and click it. This adds several unnecessary steps to the process, and slows down the important work of disambiguation. Does anyone know why this has been done, and whether it can be undone?
BTW, I now use POPUPs through the gadgets setting at Special:Preferences, rather than loading Lupin's version into my monobook.js ... so I presume that as a gadget, this change is the work of a Wikimedia developer. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is the John Charles Dodson, 3rd Baron Monk Bretton saying there is no references tag, when there is one? Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 23:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
<ref name="ww" />
to<ref group="note">MONK BRETTON, John Charles Dodson. (2008). In ''Who's Who 2008''. Retrieved February 26, 2008, from http://www.credoreference.com/entry/7441825</ref>
{{reflist|group="note"}}
immediately after the sucession box. --——
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk - 15:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)This is one of my 101 pet peeves. I swear there are some editors would put the references section 30 feet beyond the end of the page if they knew how. The best solution here would be to state this information somewhere in the main prose (this should be done with any important navbox/infobox/successionbox info, regardless) and add a ref to it in that position. In addition to or lieu of that you could create/link-to the article about this man's heir, and provide a reference for the other guy's heir status in that article. — CharlotteWebb 18:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I've removed the ref in the succession box, and that fixed that problem. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 23:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
This is about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amaranth Games (2nd nomination): the developing consensus is that the article (about a CORP) doesn't pass the inclusion bar however some of its production does. I have started working on salvaging elements which can be split out here, the intent being to migrate the salvaged content to Aveyond (Game Series). Since this is reusing content contributed by other editors, the edit history should certainly be kept. I am however unsure about the proper process:
As I'm obviously still quite new, I'd appreciate any guidance on how best to proceed. Thanks. MLauba ( talk) 11:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The categories are wikifed and show when editing the article Military of Morocco, but I can't seem to make them show when the article is saved. There's no broken references, or anything like that. Could I get some help? Thanks! cOrneLlrOckEy ( talk) 12:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I've already submitted this to bugzilla:17810 but maybe I'm just missing something.
When I go to any article and click the printable version via the link on the sidebar, I can see the printable version without the [edit] links. But if I copy-paste the text to a document, the edit links appear again. This is quite annoying, but is this a known bug? -- penubag ( talk) 23:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I just saw a question over on Wikipedia talk:vandalism about people posting obscene things in the sandboxes. nothing to be done about that directly, I don't suppose, but it got me wondering whether the sandbox history could be purged periodically (deleting everything over 6 hours old, say...) I can't imagine a reason why wikipedia would need to keep old revisions of the sandboxes around; this would remove a lot of crap and free up some space on the servers that could be put to better use. would that be possible, even? -- Ludwigs2 00:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of whether it would do any good to delete (in any sense of the word) old revisions of the public sandbox, the idea of a private "Special:Mysandbox" feature is certainly interesting. It would probably be the only feasible way to provide an editable, history-less page for deeply personal test edits, drafts, evidence storage, or other notes-to-self. Sure, one could set up their own private wiki for this, but it would be a pain to copy over (and continuously update) every template and meta-template and meta-meta-template needed to guarantee proper rendering of the page. Not sure whether you'd want to think of this as " notepad.exe but supporting wikitext markup and remote transclusion" or " Special:Expandtemplates but with a 'save' button", or just "a big text field added to the `user` table but which the parser treats just like any other", but I think a lot of us would find it quite useful. — CharlotteWebb 15:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I had this interesting discussion with an anon here, about the size of a 3 MB GIF file. I thought it was no big deal, but the anon complains that this makes their small Nokia browser very slow and therefore they want to eliminate the GIF from the article. Is there a policy that covers this? Thanks. Dr.K. logos 03:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
bugzilla:16451 -- Splarka ( rant) 07:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I used the twinkle "csd" function in an attempt to request a redirect-page delete to make way for a move, and twinkle added template {{
Db-pagemove}}
to the page. However, that template redirects to {{
Db-g3}}
which is for "pure vandalism" pages. Not quite the expected result. --
Tcncv (
talk) 05:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
db-move}}
.
Someguy1221 (
talk) 05:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Here's a thread I started on Sj's talk page. I'm copying it to here to relay the question to you tech-heads. Your input would be appreciated.
There are several ways of doing this. I, personally, simply wrote a program called WIKIMOVE.exe. To rename pages in a script, I simply write a script that invokes that program. My new IFD-TO-FFD.btm script, that I have just written for Uncle G's major work 'bot, is one such script that invokes it, for example. You appear to be looking for some JavaScript. A script is not necessarily, or even usually, JavaScript, and doesn't run in a WWW browser. Shell scripts, in particular, do not. Uncle G ( talk) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I asked my question here
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 57#Messed up multiple columns
It didn't look perfect when I finished then, but it does now. I found the solution for my problem under Internet radio#See also, after clicking on "edit". I needed to read more carefully, because it took a couple of tries. There was more than what I had seen.
This is what I had to fix.
Adult standards#Adult standards artists
Is the information about how to do this somewhere? Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
col-3}}
templates to gived the columns equal widths. Does this look better? --
Tcncv (
talk) 02:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)First off, I'm making the assumption that this is the correct location for discussions on Wikisouce and Commons, which might not be correct. I've also posted this text at the Help Desk.
Question: is there Wiki software available to allow Wikipedia users to view image files (of books/magazines/journals) on the left side of the user's display, with the matching digital article on the right side of the screen? That seems to me to be the ideal: viewing the original document/book/journal/newsclipping complete with illustrations and photos on the left side, while having the digital article (with all its advantages) displayed on the right side of the user's screen.
I've noticed in Wikisource only a few issues of National Geographic Magazine had been uploaded, and of those many were only indexed while only a few had been proofed and were readable as digital articles. To me that seems to ignore the huge stores of desirable articles available from quality magazines/journals that are no longer under copyright protections, prob. a hundred issues of National Geographic alone prior to 1923 as well as tens of thousands of journals. It also seems that an easy way to provide significant benefit to Wikipedia editors and the general public would be to make those public domain magazines and journals available as quickly as possible (via uploaded scanned .Jpeg image files), followed with very simple article indexing with subject tags. Digital conversions, proofing and meta-data could follow afterwards on a time-available basis. If Wiki viewing software (as noted earlier) were used and the scanned article's digital text were not yet available, a message stating so would be added to the blank view on the right side of the screen, opposite to the page image on the left side. Other messages on the right side could indicate the absence or completeness of proofing and meta tags.
For your consideration if this has not yet been discussed -thanks.....
HarryZilber ( talk) 21:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I updated the new three month ranking of 7 [1], but I'm not sure how to find the exact date for the "Wikipedia's Alexa ranking milestones (3 month average)" section. Anyone know? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 17:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that there is a large Wikipedia access_log sample available for download. Does anyone know where I can obtain this file? I am interested in analyzing how Wikipedia users browse Wikipedia (for example, what sequences of articles). So looking at summarized stats is not sufficient, I would like to see the actual web server logs. Jawed ( talk) 02:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
There is interest in this kind of thing, but we're not interested enough to actually dedicate resources to anonymising logs, and risk the user data exposure (e.g. see the AOL search record controversy in which logs were anonymised, but it was still possible to track down users). — Werdna • talk 12:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a problem I've noticed with several WikiProject banners. Take {{ WPCHINA}} at Talk:A Xiang for example; when I first load the page the banner appears as intended:
but as soon as I move the cursor the collapsible section vanishes:
Any ideas? (I use IE7). PC78 ( talk) 19:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have received the following (Below) upon sending a question to my MAC dictionary/wikipedia APP. I have no idea why. I, until now, had no wikipedia account and have not knowingly lent my laptop to anyone. Until this day, I had no idea who Adam Copeland was.
I am sure this is not where such enquiries go, but it was impossible to figure out and I am sure that one or many of you mavens out there do and will forward and respond appropriately.
Thank you.
The following: <<<Sava (disambiguation) You have new messages (last change). Sava may refer to:>>>
Links to: <<<User talk:68.46.7.39 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[edit]
February 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to the page Adam Copeland has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. ... discospinster talk 00:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)>>>
RBwhy ( talk) 19:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have Raw signature checked in Special:Preferences. Per Wikipedia:Signatures#Using four tildes, that should give me " TerraFrost ( talk) 22:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)", but it doesn't - it gives me "TerraFrost 22:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)". Any ideas as to why? TerraFrost 22:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I posted a "Help Me" on my Talk Page ... and I was referred to this page. I hope this is the right page where I can ask my question and get a resolution. Can anyone help with this question? Thanks in advance. Please take a look at the list below. You can also take a look at the Wikipedia "code" that generates this list below, if you'd like, by hitting the "edit" link to the right above. My question is this. Is there any way to make the second column of the list simply continue the numerical count, without starting over at "1"? If so, what is the way to accomplish that? In other words, I would like the second half of the list, on the right hand side, to begin with the numbers 19, 20, 21, and so on. Any advice? Thanks. ( Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 23:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC))
Lists:
(outdent) well, I went ahead and made a template for this - {{ col-list}}. not fully tested, but... {{Col-list|pos=start|type=ol|init=1 | List of Academy Award articles | List of Academy Award records | List of Academy Award-winning films | List of Academy Awards ceremonies | List of actors nominated for Academy Awards for foreign language performances | List of actors nominated for two Academy Awards in the same year | List of actors who have appeared in multiple Best Picture Academy Award winners | List of actors with two or more Academy Awards in acting categories | List of Argentine Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Asian Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Best Actor winners by age at win | List of Best Actress winners by age at win | List of Best Director winners by age at win | List of Best Supporting Actor nominees | List of Best Supporting Actor nominees (films) | List of Best Supporting Actor winners by age at win | List of Best Supporting Actress nominees | List of Best Supporting Actress nominees (films) }} {{Col-list|pos=end|type=ol|init=19 | List of Best Supporting Actress winners by age at win | List of Big Five Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Black Academy Award winners and nominees | List of directors with two or more Academy Awards for Best Director | List of fictitious Academy Award nominees | List of films receiving six or more Academy Awards | List of Mexican Academy Award winners and nominees | List of oldest and youngest Academy Award winners and nominees | List of people who have won multiple Academy Awards in a single year | List of persons who have won Academy, Emmy, Grammy, and Tony Awards | List of posthumous Academy Award winners and nominees | List of presenters of Best Picture Academy Award | List of Puerto Rican Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Spanish Academy Award winners and nominees | List of superlative Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Uruguayan Academy Award winners and nominees | Lists of Hispanic Academy Award winners and nominees by country }} it will take up to 25 entries in each section, you can choose between ol and ul types, and the kind of marker you want to use,, and you can even do multiple columns, like so: {{Col-list|type=ol|pos=start|A|B|C|D}} {{Col-list|type=ol|init=5|E|G|G|H}} {{Col-list|type=ol|pos=end|init=9|I|J|K|L|M}} hope this helps. I'll add documentation for it in a bit. -- Ludwigs2 17:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Please never use multi-column layout -- it interferes with small screens, large fonts for visual issues, printing, and general legibility. -- brion ( talk) 16:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
From my computer using IE 7.0.5730.11CO and win XP 2002 SP 3 I get a time out error when I load an image or edit a long page of wikipedia. IE just stays waiting from the reply from the server for a long time. From another computer everything is ok. Is there any special requirement on IE options or drivers or java ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSacerdoti ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
this website is firefox website, not internet explorer FAQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSacerdoti ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Like this user I encountered that ad but Firefox doesn't do anything when I click on the link (yes, javascript is enabled). See also this. -- Ma Baker ( talk) 18:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made a template {{ Currentmonthday}}, rendering: April 29.
So far I have used it successfully in {{ Day+1}} and {{ Day-1}}. I propose to add it to the magic words in Magic words#Date & time. Every time I look at that list this suggestion comes to my mind. Now that I've made the template maybe the time is ripe. Debresser ( talk) 14:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
d yyyy
style of writing a date. --
Amalthea 15:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)The first three example work as expected, but the fourth gives an error:
{{Day+1|{{Currentmonthday}}}} = April 30
{{Day-1|{{Currentmonthday}}}} = April 28
{{Day+1|{{Currentdaymonth}}}} = April 30
{{Day-1|{{Currentdaymonth}}}} = April 28
—
Edokter •
Talk • 01:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm (unfortunately) not familiar with the way complex templates or magic words work. A few months ago I wasn't familiar with Wikipedia either, and now I write, edit, and manage to fix templates sometimes, so who knows what I'll be able to do in time. Do you plan to fix the bug? Could you make the magic words {{CURRENTMONTHDAY}} and {{CURRENTDAYMONTH}}? Debresser ( talk) 14:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I found a copy and pasted wikipedia article at other commercial site.
I make that article by myself.
But commercial site's user, Michael, don't notice my name at copied article.
Michael(pseudonym) only notice, wikipeda URL and GFDL.
But, Wikipedia is not copyright holder. copyright holder is me. principal author is also me, not wikipedia.
I request the copy-paste feature that auto-include my name to wikipedia articles. -- WonRyong ( talk) 02:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
If you are requesting that you get copyright over your work, it is not possible in Wikipedia. Whatever you write is released to the public, and they can use it if they cite Wikipedia. Whoever uses it need not cite your name, as the content is not yours anymore. If you have something that you want to stay as your property, do not put in on the 'pedia.ee WP:OWN ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 04:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I've noticed that there are suddenly a lot of templates in articles who's talk-page is now a redlink. Has there been a purge on talkpage deletion on templates, or have I simply not noticed this before?! Lugnuts ( talk) 08:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I was going through CSD backlog and I came across File:DigitalUK logo.png. I've deleted a file, but in case a non-administrator wants to know what it was, here is the page history:
...and here is the file history:
The strange thing is the fact that the page history was intact, but the file history was already deleted when I came and the deletion log does not mention it [2]. Admiral Norton ( talk) 18:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I sent for a new password some 10 or so hours ago, but I have yet to receive one. cannot seem to find the old one or I'd use it. seems I did remember my username, Wiki does list that in the username space, but none of the passwords I thought I may have used are accepted. what happened to my new password? or does it take a full 24 hours to get one? that would be pretty bad turn around time for an automated system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.160.69 ( talk) 06:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I did use the right eddress, and it didn't require a username that I recall, but if it did, then maybe I have the wrong one. so I can't work in Wiki, can't reply to a comment. it's just a tech. murphy's law for me today. not just Wikki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.160.69 ( talk) 08:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not figuring out how to make {{ Top 50 U.S. City Mayors}} automatically defaulted to collapsed. Can someone be my hero and fix it? -- Banjeboi 12:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
|state=
parameter; state = collapsed
or state = autocollapse
should do it.
rʨanaɢ
talk/
contribs 13:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Yea, I know this is getting old, but here are some updated statistics on the velocity of edits being made to Wikipedia. Have fun! MBisanz talk 06:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
This one has been annoying me for a couple of days now. I recently upgraded to Firefox 3.0.7 from 2.something. Before the upgrade, when editing I always had the drop down tool list thingy below the edit box (I am not sure what the correct name is, but it's the drop down where you can select Insert, Wiki markup etc). Since the upgrade it seems to be hit and miss as to whether I get it or the far less useful copy and paste table (the one without the dropdown). I assume that this is a javascript issue. Is there some way I can force the use of drop down list every time I edit? Thanks. – ukexpat ( talk) 14:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I've encountered a curious circumstance a dozen or so times during several years of Wikipedia editing. It seems to me that the text editor will take a word that is at the end of a line, and duplicate it unexpectedly, probably during SAVE. When i look at the output, that word appears twice.
The problem is, this happens so rarely that i don't know how to reproduce it. But i have also seen words doubled in articles that wouldn't normally be doubled, and so i expect that this phenomena has affected others as well.
One possibly complicating factor, it might be a browser bug, or an interaction between the Wikipedia text editor and a particular browser. I use Firefox, and have used Firefox for most of the time that i've been editing. I always use the latest version. (My current OS is Windows Vista, but i encountered the problem while editing under Windows 2000 as well.)
Has anyone else experienced this?
thanks, Richard Myers ( talk) 14:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Circeus just showed me phpSyntaxTree, which auto-generates syntax trees (as .png images) out of some code. It's an external application, so the only way to use it with WP is to make a tree over there and then save the image and upload it here as a file; but I was wondering if it's possible to add something to MediaWiki that allows you to embed the code directly in an article (like how we can embed LaTeX with <math></math>). Would that sort of thing be a huge pain, or is it relatively simple? And if it is simple, where would one go about submitting a suggestion like that? rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 15:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The article Social Security debate (United States) ends with a list of Footnotes and a list of References, with more than 40 entries in each. Both look like the style of list produced by the <ref> ... </ref> ... <references/> style that I am familiar with. Is this some new and even more complicated version of that style, or is the article just botched? If the first, where do I read about it? -- 70.48.231.39 ( talk) 19:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
After about six months' waiting, I've finally activated the AbuseFilter extension on enwiki!
In brief, the Abuse Filter allows automated heuristics to be run against every edit. It's designed as an anti-vandalism tool for very simple and/or pattern based vandalism.
PLEASE do not activate a filter with any action other than flagging without testing it first with just flagging enabled. — Werdna • talk 23:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Showing the IP address on blocked createaccount actions seems like a bad idea. This probably goes against the WMF privacy policy. --- RockMFR 02:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Not a huge deal yet, but I agree that it might be best not to show the IPs. Still thinking about the best way to do this, technically speaking. — Werdna • talk 03:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Does the Abuse Filter do short-circuit evaluation? --- RockMFR 01:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This should be a great tool... could diff buttons be added to it, though? The AbuseLog could be used for vandalism fighting even if it isn't fully automated. –
Drilnoth (
T •
C) 02:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Werdna, for IP blocks you need to use something similar to the autoblock numbers (see Special:Ipblocklist):
etc. — CharlotteWebb 21:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Every time that I've tried to update Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia with the content from the toolserver page, Wikimedia says that there's an error and I need to try back later. I haven't noticed any problems editing other articles today... is there a way to update this? I'm not sure if it would matter, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Translation was just created a few days ago. – Drilnoth ( T • C) 00:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any script or some such that would allow users to watchlist only a section of a page? As it currently stands, it is essentially pointless to watchlist talk pages which receive lots of traffic and have multiple active discussions; if you watch the page and an edit occurs, you have to manually check if your section was edited. Watchlisting sections would solve this quite nicely! -- Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 16:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Sections aren't really well-defined at the software level. Let's say you are only "watching" one section and I click "[edit]" on the next section after it. My only change to is to remove the section heading from the latter section, which causes the two sections to become one. Should this show up in your hypothetical "section watchlist" (remember, I never edited your section)? — CharlotteWebb 22:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to phrase this. Is there a way, either by magic words or by site JS, to get the name of the user who clicks a wiki-link?
For instance, our instructions on how to create a sub-page in user space are simple enough once you understand how to do it, but they're far beyond what a new editor can fathom, so it would be nice to have a static article where the editor could click on "make a subpage" and for me, it would edit User:Franamax/Subpage and for Jimbo it would be User:Jimbo Wales/Subpage. Even better would be a thingy where I could click it and it would ask me for the subpage name.
The context here is to create a simple method for new editors who have made a new article that has been CSD'ed to have an easy path for userfication. The CSD notice could have a link to a page like this one - point 2., I'm trying to fill in the "[instructions here]" part of it with a one-click link.
Does any of that make sense? :) Franamax ( talk) 19:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed mw:Special:Code/MediaWiki/48276. Just wanted to give enwiki a head's as these are pretty heavily used here. (Should this be somewhere else like WP:VPT? Apologies if so) ^ demon [omg plz] 20:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It means they forgot to update line 427:
- - # Optional notices on a per-namespace and per-page basis
- + # Optional notices on a per-namespace basis
Is there some reason it wouldn't be better to just make the latter feature optional and disable it in the configuration of our wikis? Other sites may find this useful and be less concerned about cache issues. — CharlotteWebb 15:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Note that per-page editnotices are not completely disabled in that revision, just per-page editnotices in the article, File, MediaWiki, Help, Help talk, Category, and Category talk namespaces (i.e. the ones where subpages are disabled). When I tried to ask why, [5] that question was ignored. And the only reason given for removing it at all was "this feature introduced bad practices", no mention of performance issues. Anomie ⚔ 22:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I propose the following solution that will preserve per page editnotices but move them out of the Mediawiki space and stop annoying Domas.
Dragons flight ( talk) 04:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Putting parser functions in widely used messages is a bad idea. It would almost certainly get reverted (see MediaWiki:nstab-main's history). ^ demon [omg plz] 12:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Unless they come back two hours ago, someone really needs to run a bot to notify every talk page of articles with editnotices in them. I just checked the one that I know of and it's been disabled, but anyone not watching this page won't know. This isn't some "oh well whatever" case -- usually the notices are an important help in curving unuseful edits. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ ( talk) 11:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I just had a thought, as far as fixing the immediate problem until we finish the discussion: Create
MediaWiki:Editnotice-0 as {{#ifexist:MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-{{PAGENAME}}|{{MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-{{PAGENAME}}}}}}
, and append {{#ifexist:MediaWiki:Editnotice-8-{{PAGENAME}}|{{MediaWiki:Editnotice-8-{{PAGENAME}}}}}}
to
MediaWiki:Editnotice-8. Once we decide where to move the per-page editnotices to in order to get them out of the MediaWiki namespace, those can be revised as needed.
Anomie
⚔ 18:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Ajax maybe? We might consider something similar to the edittools fix. Then we could add a user preference (gadget) to disable it for people who find it obnoxious. — CharlotteWebb 14:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
In consideration of the above comments, and in the interest of boldy doing something, I suggest the following revised plan:
Dragons flight ( talk) 22:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done steps 1-4 in plan part 2 above for the Article and Talk space edit notices. I'll try to work through the rest later. I am currently using {{ editnotice load}} as the loader, which checks for only a single corresponding page at Template:Editnotices/{{FULLPAGENAME}}. This is a lot lighter than {{ editnotice loader}} and I wanted to get the edit notices back as quickly as possible without getting hung up on that extra complexity. I would expect features to be added as we go forward.
I went ahead and semi-ed the Editnotices pseudospace. I am aware that both of the people above to comment on protection seem to think all edit notices should be full protected. We can of course change this later if that is what the consensus ends up being. For the moment I left it at semi both because I think that is a better option, and because it will make things easier if there is clean up needed in the immediate aftermath of this migration. Dragons flight ( talk) 19:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm placing a little note here to hold off archiving. There is still the question of whether we want to deploy this one system globally or have two opposing systems (i.e. Mediawiki for some namespaces and Templates for the other). Personally I think it makes sense to only have one, but the devs seem in no rush over the other namespaces. Dragons flight ( talk) 06:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, since we're on editnotices, is there a way to hide them in a way similar to the banners, just by clicking on [hide] ? I'm more concerned of hiding because I think it would be interesting to have per-category editnotices, but there should be a way to hide them (and not one by one, but all at once of course), or it would be too intrusive for regulars. Do we have a magic word that allows to know if the current page is in a given category ? With that, we could create per-category editnotices through mediawiki:editnotice-0. Cenarium ( talk) 01:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a shorter version of all this information? -- DFS454 ( talk) 20:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to rename File:DSCN7043.JPG to File:Vermont Street (San Francisco).jpg. First it moved the image description page, but not the image, to the new name. I tried moving things back and forth and now get the following error when I try to undelete the file.
Undelete failed; someone else may have undeleted the page first. <p></p> Error undeleting file: Unable to write to file "public/archive/a/a4/20070717110943!DSCN7043.JPG": file exists
I'm going to download the deleted image and then re-upload it, but this does mean we need to be careful when renaming things. MBisanz talk 09:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been unable to submit edits to WP:AN or WP:ANI for the past 1/2 hour; instead receive the "Error - Wikimedia Foundation" page (no the pages are not sprot'd). Looking at the respective page histories, [6] [7], no edits have been made in over 30 minutes (not likely coincidental). Anyone else having this problem? -- 64.85.220.189 ( talk) 18:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing two discussions that are coming to seemingly opposite conclusions on two different pages. One one hand you see Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/Cleanup#Standardisation_of_template_styling which wants all template banners (amboxes) to look the same, and then we have Template_talk:Expand-section#More_subtle_style which wants section amboxes to look smaller. How can these two movements be reconciled? Online discussions can become disjointed (see meatball:ForestFire), but two discussions coming to opposite conclusions can be a disaster in the making.-- Ipatrol ( talk) 21:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm active on WP:SPOKEN & WP:BIRD. I am trying to find the number of times a spoken article is downloaded. I tried ' http://stats.grok.se/' for getting the page views of a spoken article. The page works if I input 'File:American_Black_Vulture.ogg' in the search box. It gives me an answer of 95 article views. But if I type 'Image:American_Black_Vulture.ogg', then I get 19 views.
Why is this so? Secondly, can I take it these are the number of downloads or just page views? How can I know the number of downloads?
AshLin ( talk) 16:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems that brion has enabled file renaming. All admins should now be able to move files. Redirects are created. This is a great new feature that was one of the most longstanding requests. I say many cookies for the devs are in order ! :D -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 03:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Renaming? Image redirects? I don't know that my little heart can take it... ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 03:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
BetacommandBot was also doing file renaming previously (trough reuploading). But the entire process will need some attention, because the files and cats are a bit disorganized atm. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is a mechanism in place to potentially warn those moving if a file is going to usurp an image from commons? Nanonic ( talk) 13:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
This has now created a major admin backlog (well... it was always a backlog, but now that moving images is an admin function, I'm saying it's now an admin backlog :) See Category:Media renaming requests and Category:Media requiring renaming. If you want to test out moving image pages, there are some files there that you could use to test out the feature. I guess ideally, this would be really simple for a bot to handle now. But I figured I'd mention it so anyone who wants to take the feature on a test drive and help clear a backlog, can do so. - Andrew c [talk] 16:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody tell me how to get rid of broad white gutter at the top of Alexander Hamilton-Gordon (1859–1939)? I tried previewing it without the {{ use dmy dates}} template and it looked normal. I tried adding an html comment to that template, thinking that it would help "eat" a line that contained only an html comment, but that doesn't work from within a template. Why shouldn't it? — CharlotteWebb 22:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah but, we ought not have to make edits like this all over the place. — CharlotteWebb 22:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
This seems like a non-obvious solution as removing the dmy template also solves the problem. Perhaps it is a combination of factors, however these should not be combining. Seems like the parser should strip white-space from both ends of the template before transcluding it into the other markup. — CharlotteWebb 22:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
One of my earlier points was that even if you add a bunch of instructions like this to the top of an article:
<!-- use dmy dates --> <!-- use metric units --> <!-- use british spellings --> <!-- drink tea --> <!-- call crackers "biscuits" --> <!-- drive on the left --> {{Infobox somethin'-r-other | ... = ...
There is no extra white-space visible as it gets "eaten" whenever a comment occupies an entire line. However this doesn't happen when blank templates are used to convey the same messages. — CharlotteWebb 22:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this serious enough to consider it a bug? "Magic words" like __NOTOC__ also behave like an empty template. If you put a blank line before and after to improve readability you get excessive spacing like you would if you had three blank lines. Except it is okay to do this with most templates. Let's say X is a banner template of some kind which displays a block element (table, div, etc.)—the following will all render the same:
Foo. {{X}} Bar. |
Foo. {{X}} Bar. |
Foo.{{X}}Bar. |
<p>Foo.</p> <table id="template-X" ... ...> <tr>... ... ...</tr> </table> <p>Bar.</p> |
Funny eh? — CharlotteWebb 10:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
This is only anecdotal, but has anyone else noticed anything weird happening with page history in the last few days? I could swear that a vandal-revert of mine completely dropped out of pagehist, but I shrugged it off at the time. Now I've just had a comment from elsewhere about pagehist getting screwed up so just wondering if anyone else has noticed alien objects in the sky...
I suspect a flaky server but I'll defer to "everything's fine" if that's the overwhelming opinion. Yes, I have no specifics. Just a premonition. Thanks! Franamax ( talk) 00:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The above link leads to a community poll regarding date linking on Wikipedia. The poll has not yet opened, but the community is invited to review the format and make suggestions/comments on the talk page. We need as many neutral comments as we can get so the poll run as smoothly as possible and is able to give a good idea of the communities expectations regarding date linking on the project—from User:Ryan Postlethwaite. Dabomb87 ( talk) 20:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
{{PAGESINCAT:Articles for deletion}} lists 788 which is completly and widely inaccurate, how can I fix this? Ikip ( talk) 14:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The underlying problem has been fixed for some time now (category count not being decremented on deletion) but the actual counts will not update unless the category is renamed or some maintenance script is run by the devs. MER-C 01:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to resize template documentation, so that when it is transcluded onto the template page, it only takes up 75% of the page and displays to the left of a sidebar template, instead of at the bottom, several scroll pages down? (See Template:Style/doc) In that case, the sidebar template is so long that the doc info ends up 2 pages down. Your help is appreciated! -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 23:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, this particular template requires no documentation, as it has no parameters. That is, there's only one way to use it. In any case you should not assume that 200px (actually 215px if you count the margin-left:15px;, possibly more in practice) will always be less than 25% of available space (for me, it wouldn't be). Really I think the best possible solution would be to get rid of the ugly blue background div of the {{ documentation}} template, so that all of the contents will wrap around anything hanging down from above the docs material. — CharlotteWebb 00:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Note that the output of {{ documentation}} explicitly doesn't wrap around floated boxes: the CSS class it uses contains "clear:both". If you really want it to be to the side of a floated template, something like this should do it (although it'll be squashed for those of us not using maximized browsers on high-resolution widescreen monitors):
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tr valign="top"><td>{{documentation}}</td> <td> <onlyinclude>(template goes here)</onlyinclude> </td> </table>
Documentation
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
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OTOH, chandler's suggestion is even better. Anomie ⚔ 02:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
In TV Tokyo (for example), you can clearly see File:Tv-tokyo-logo.png being used (I clicked the image to make sure I was viewing the right image page), but the "File links" section on that image page is blank. So, it appears something weird is happening and we need to be careful about deleting images which are allegedly not being used. I looked in Bugzilla, but didn't find anything which addressed this issue. Anyone know what might be the problem? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Not all page edits are updating the file links immediately. Notably if these file links are dynamically generated using conditional templates whose behavior is modified: in this case it will take between 3 and 10 days (on this Wikipedia, depending on the load) before all pages referencing the modified template have been completely parsed again. A null edit on a page using a template that includes some image will effectively update the file links immediately, but pages that were using an image and that were not modified at all but were modified only indirectly by one of the templates they depend on, will take long before they get parsed and regenerated, notably if the template has lots of references (apparently, the count of references for template is significant: only the first few references, generally the oldest ones, are parsed rapidly, but above some low threshold, the other pages are updated more slowly, by inserting the template's usage in a update job queue that MedaWiki will process with low priority (there's higher priority to update only those pages that are requested by users, but apparently MediaWiki cannot always see that a requested page is in the job queue for being refreshed)
As a consequence, a deletion request for unused medias should not be honored immediately: at least 15 days should be given for images stored locally on an unshared wiki (except Commons, see below), to make sure that all pages using a file have been listed. The deletion reason should indicate that the request is made because of absence of usage.
But the situation is more complex if images are stored in Commons: checking file usages requires scanning lots of wikis, not just Commons itself. The correct policy for Commons is to make sure that all related images are properly categorized and can be found and compared to other similar images. Then, equivalent images need to be kept for long with a "deprecation" request that should be kept for at least a couple of months, during which all wikis can be checked.
Beware: the CheckUsage tool used in Commons is currently not functional, due to lack of database dumps for many wikis, including many of the most important ones; I've seen recently some images being incorrectly deleted from Commons, just because they were apparently not used on English or German wikis, and in no other of a few tested Wikipedias, but that were used in several Wiktionnaries or Wikibooks or Wikiversities or even on Meta ! Restoration requests could not even be honored as there remained no backup anywhere (so the images had to be recreated, loosing most of its history of changes for better quality, or other images had to be selected). The file deletion log on Commons does not always give a reason, even if there was no copyright issue, some images disappear at unknown dates and for unknown reasons, as if they had never existed, this is very bad.
Something should be done to allow Commons to inform other "client" wikis that a deletion request is pending: each wiki would then insert its own check in its own database, that would complete after all its current job queue has been processed. At that time, the file usage will be checked, and the client wiki will post back the result to Commons. Commons will monitor the responses from all its registered client wikis and will manage these results in a queue page shoing the results of investigation. This deletion request status should be visible directly in the file's description page. If any wiki tries to import an image that has some deletion request pending, each request source (the referer's URL?) should be logged and counted over the deletion request period. After some maximum time has elapsed without any referal (is two months enogh for all client wikis?) the deletion request could be honored by admins, but if there are too many logged referals during that period, the deletion request should be canceled automatically (instead of this deletion log, there would remain an history line listing only a few of the referer locations discovered during the deletion request period). 79.94.111.15 ( talk) 12:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's possible but is there a way to make mirror sites no index some (or all) of my user pages? -- penubag ( talk) 06:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
User:ARSBot adds articles tagged for rescue to the talk page of WP:ARS, the problem is that they are never removed. For example, there are 86 articles listed, but only 33 articles which actually have the template currently. Is there a bot which can remove sections for a page when a certain template tag is removed from the pages? Ikip ( talk) 03:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The cascading protection for the Main page doesn't seem to be functioning. This picture was uploaded to En from Commons, for DYK, but I was still able to edit it while the image was on the Main Page. I'll have to go to sleep now, but it would be good if someone could look into this. Shubinator ( talk) 06:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC) (Please move this to the correct page if this isn't where it should be)
I just had to null edit the main page in order to get cascade protection working on the images. Usually only purging is necessary. --- RockMFR 21:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I'd definitely argue that the description page of an image used on a "cascade-protected" article should remain editable unless it is directly protected for an unrelated reason (because unlike with a template such edits cannot affect the article using the image). I think this would first require us to have a separate protection setting which allows images to be specifically protected only against replacement uploads. This would be useful on commons too as it would allow people to improve the image description and add various tags and translations etc. but still avoid upload vandalism on certain heavily used images whose appearance would very rarely need a legitimate change (flags would be a prime example). Has this already been requested somewhere? — CharlotteWebb 14:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone provide some pointers to docs that would explain how to extend XHTML (as used on en.Wikipedia) to include additional tags such as <mw:date>April 1 2009</mw:date>
? Either I'm too tired or I'm just coming across the most complicated examples on Google, but I'd like to think this would be simple to do. =)
As an aside: are most browsers compatible with sites that extend XHTML as I'm pursuing? I'm fairly confident about IE7 and Firefox, but if anyone has any compatibility issues they're aware of I'd be curious. Thanks! — Locke Cole • t • c 11:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
xmlns:mw="some unique url"
in the <html> element to bind the "mw:" namespace prefix; in that case your "mw:date" element will not be part of the XHTML DTD and will not have to be validated by it. Note however that XHTML's containment data model need to be updated as well to allow the additional element within the contents of a standard XHTML element (This requires adding your own "<!ELEMENT>" redeclaration for the XHTML element containment model, in addition to the declaration of the new custom element itself). If you don't do this, then the document will not parsse as valid XHTML and will necessarily be parsed using legacy HTML processing, using various "quirks" compatibility mode (which could affect the rendering across various browsers that will work without "strict" validation).
79.94.111.15 (
talk) 12:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)<span class="date">April 1 2009</span>
), but I felt extending it would make more sense (and allow for further extensions as time goes on). I'm not married to the idea at this stage, but it seemed "cleaner" than using a CSS class or marking off the dates some other way. —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 12:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)You don't really need to think of it as an extension to anything. Wikitext has plenty of tags which look like html but aren't. You could propose a new tag that's as simple as <date>April 29, 1992</date> and have it do whatever the heck you want. — CharlotteWebb 14:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently the page Fannia scalaris (about a species of fly) displays with its article title in italics. That is suitable for a biological name; but I can find nothing in its text that would make the title come in italics. How does this happen? (I am familiar with the template {{Lowercase}} to make the article title show wirh a lowercase first letter.) Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 10:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
infobox book}}
is a bit more tricky. If you could come up with a reasonably complete list of possible disambiguations ("book", "novel", etc), then it could be done from the |name=
parameter.
Happy‑
melon 17:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
|fullitalics=
yes) for articles like
Agrippa (a book of the dead) where the actual title includes brackets? Any editor-generated list would miss too much, I fear.
Skomorokh 17:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
|displaytitle=
parameter if the default needs to be overridden.
Algebraist 17:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
italictitle}}
. No documentation as yet, but watch this space...
Happy‑
melon 18:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
|force=
parameter does that here.
Happy‑
melon 19:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
italictitle|{{{name|PAGENAME}}}|book|novel}}
or something similar. In that case, titles such as
Crash (1973 novel) would be rendered incorrectly if no override was available.
Algebraist 19:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC){{
str left}}
coughs and dies after 80 characters, and {{
str find}}
dies after 50 characters. Making it fail gracefully in these circumstances is the most difficult part, and the part that would be remedied with
StringFunctions.
Happy‑
melon 21:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm still failing to see why the title needs italics at all. It is merely an identifier of where we decide to place a particular subject. Usual style rules should not apply. --- RockMFR 21:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi I seem to be having some problems with my talk page in that it is not displaying correctly. It is only displaying half the page as if it has zoomed in to the bottom section were the comments are, the scroll bar on the right moves the wiki globe and the search box on the left up and down and the page remains static. Also you can't see the links on the left Main Page, Contents etc, any ideas thanks. I use Opera as my browser. BigDunc Talk 18:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if someone with some more technical knowledge of Wikipedia could take a look at Category talk:Wikipedia backlog#Automatic backlogs and reorganizing this cat and clarify how the category additions could be done... there seems to be some confusion about how things work, and some more input would be much appreciated. Thanks! – Drilnoth ( T • C) 19:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed that for example, going to wikipedia.us/wiki/USA redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/wiki/USA. Surely this is not intended behavior. I think at least a beurucrat is needed to fix this. Am I correct that this is a mistake? -Zeus- u| c 03:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I have a technical problem related to the Turkish Wikipedia. I know this is the English Wikipedia, but I am hoping that developers read this page and may assist me. If there is a better page to post this please let me know. The problem is that on the special page for uncategorized pages ( http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Özel:KategorisizSayfalar), the list includes redirects, such as tr:Annie Hall (film). If this is not fixed, soon the list will consist of nothing but redirects and we will not be able to see the real pages needing categorization. Thanks for any help. -- İnfoCan ( talk) 14:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Favicon of English Wikipedia, is displayed incorrectly. It is same to Yahoo's! Maybe it could be my own problem, and would somebody check on other computer? 59.7.73.178 ( talk) 07:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Can an option for the watchlist be added to show/hide edits made by AWB? Lugnuts ( talk) 08:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the way Wikipedia constructs indents (using a : at the beginning of the line) to try to figure out spacing for CSS use on a template, and I discovered that (apparently) indents are nested HTML definition lists? that struck me as odd enough that I wanted to confirm it was true, and not a strange artifact of being a Mac user, or something like that. can someone confirm? -- Ludwigs2 18:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
On top of all new articles is the following:
Where can I comment about possible additions to template above new articles? Ikip ( talk) 12:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Why hasn't true GIF image scaling been turned back on? GIF thumbnails in Commons categories are grinding some computers to a halt.
If certain types of animated GIFs are screwing up the MediaWiki software when it tries to scale them down, or to thumbnail them, then let's just ban or quarantine those particular animated gifs for awhile. I believe that is why true GIF thumbnailing was turned off.
Many images on the Commons were originally created in the GIF format, and we don't want to discourage people from uploading GIF graphics. Converting them to PNG would be a huge waste of time, too. There is no advantage to it because converting already-finalized images to other formats does not increase their quality. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 14:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, we've finally caught up with MediaWiki development code review and I'm pushing out an update to the live sites. This fixes a lot of little bugs, and hopefully doesn't cause introduce too many new ones. :)
As usual in addition to lots of offline and individual testing, we've done a quick environmental shakedown on http://test.wikipedia.org/ -- and as usual we can fully expect a few more issues to have cropped up. Don't be alarmed; just let us know here, in our bug tracker or on the tech IRC channels and we'll make sure they get diagnosed and fixed.
I'd also like to announce that we've started a blog for Wikimedia tech activity & MediaWiki development, in part because I want to make sure community members can easily follow what we're working on and give feedback before we push things out:
I'd very much like to make sure that we've got regular contacts among the various project communities who can help coordinate with us on features, bugs, and general thoughts which might affect some projects distinctly from others. -- brion ( talk) 13:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#.27Confirmed.27_usergroup. Cenarium ( talk) 17:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Now that Template:Editnotice load is transcluded in MediaWiki:Editnotice-0, after this discussion, if we had a magic word returning if the current page is in a given category, we could have per-category editnotices. But even if the magic word could be created, per-category editnotices may annoy users, would it be possible to have the option to hide it (simultaneously for all pages in the category) using an id, similarly to notices ? Cenarium ( talk) 18:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I have written a script (in response to this thread at the Help Desk) that allows you to hide pages from your watchlist. From the script's documentation that I just wrote, at Wikipedia:Hide Pages in Watchlist, what can do is: "For example, if you watch an article but do not want to see any of the edits made to the article's Talk page on your Watchlist, then you can hide just the Talk page without unwatching the article. To best understand how this script works, you should install it and try it out by following the instructions." So, feel free to check it out, and post on the documentation's talk page if you find any bugs. I'm guessing there are some people out there who might find this useful. I'm still working on it and making some tweaks, too, so it'll continue improving. Gary King ( talk) 22:03, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a warning, I 'upgraded' to the Beta and have lost the edit summary field. I'll have to figure out how to roll back now! dougweller ( talk) 09:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
your assessment of "the Prisoners Dilemma "does not give due credit to Wm D Hamilton pioneer in this field!
Call me crazy, but is this new?
(diff) (hist) . . Glenn Quagmire | 17:29 . . (+18) . . 86.20.232.82 (talk | block) [rollback]
See that pipe character between "Glenn Quagmire" and "17:29" ? I coulda sworn that wasn't there before. I will be first to stand up and say... DO NOT WANT ! – xeno ( talk) 21:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh what a mess. Try enabling "enhanced recent changes": now you get this:
20:52 Wicked (musical) (diff; hist) . . (-14) . . And1987 (talk | contribs | block) (→Productions) [rollback]
Note that the pipe between "diff" and "hist" has now become a semicolon: they're the same interface message!! Hence my change; I was in fact trying to restore the appearance that was in place before the recent code changes. Happy‑ melon 21:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
T20161 Happy‑ melon 12:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ Gnosticism}}, a template I have never edited (and I can not stress this enough), is fundamentally in need of redecorating. My feeble tests have all failed even though I think simply switching a few style bits or something would help exponentially. Would someone please add a border and maybe some contrasting background. I'm also concerned the print is rather small but maybe Gnostics and their supporters all have exceptional vision, so to speak. Any takers? -- Banjeboi 12:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I ask that the following nullet be added to the welcome templstes:
-- Ipatrol ( talk) 20:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Please see Håkon Wium Lie's latest post in the thread at WikiEN-l. This is a potentially wonderful upgrade to our html-table infoboxes.
(cross-posted from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes, where it might be best to coordinate action/discussion (or reply to the mailing list thread itself). Anywhere else I should crosspost/notify?) Thanks. -- Quiddity ( talk) 21:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
A change seems to have been made in the last day or two to the MediaWiki software which has had the following effect when trying to send a command to edit a page which is *not* a redlink:
This is utterly frustrating for me as I create a lot of pages which are based on other pages, and now have to manually remove the "redlink=1" from the link in order to jump from one page to another easily using the "address" bar in my Firefox (same would apply in IE). Is there any way this could be minorly tweaked so that if redlink=1 is attempted on a non-redlink page, that it is simply ignored, as it was before? Thanks Orderinchaos 23:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the correct behavior should be that links with only redlink=1 should go to view if the page exists, and edit if it doesn't. Redlinks wiki-wide should only contain "redlink=1", not an explicit "action=edit" parameter; and all urls with the "action=edit" should always go to the editpage. Thoughts? Happy‑ melon 10:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I have unified my login. I was under the impression that once I login to one wiki site I would automatically be logged into all other wiki sites. The Special:MergeAccount feature indicates that my login was successful and indeed unified for all the supported wiki sites. However, I'm having to actually login to each site. I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 and Internet Explorer 8. Has anyone using Vista and IE8 got this working properly?-- Techjourney ( talk) 05:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi.
There is something i would like you to help me with. There is this bot that put warnings about fair use violations on images, surely you all have crossed ways with one of his warnings sometime; The bot has been out of service for a while now and a lot of the thousands of warnings he put are about images that have already been erased and should be erased as well.
I asked one of the admins that participated in the block of the user that operated the bot about a way to find and/or delete these warnings, other that the manual way at least, and this section came up, so what do you think?. Could some bot or something take care of that, either erase the warnings that are no longer useful either because the image has been erased or because the proper fair use rationale has been added or just generate a list so i could do it manually.
I know is a little too much to ask but i`ll await an answer either here or in my talk page. Thanks in advance. Zidane tribal ( talk) 06:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree that a bot removing them could be too much, but a list of article talk pages that contain them would be ok, i don`t mind removing them manually, but without a list it would take forever, could a list be generated somehow? Zidane tribal ( talk) 17:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
(Sign) Well, at least now i see the magnitude of the task, i guess i`ll have to live with it and just remove them everytime i se them. At least now i `ll be able to hate the warnings more any time i see them. Thanks.
Zidane tribal (
talk) 23:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In category pages, I cann't see the buttons ("[+]") to expand secondary subcategories. These buttons appear beside primary subcategories, but when I expande the primary subcategories these buttons don't appear beside the secondary categories. For example, in Category:Algebra, if I click the button "[+]" that appears beside "Abstract algebra", then it expands and shows subcategories of Category:Abstract algebra, but without "[+]" buttons next to the secondary subcategories, as "Algebraic number theory", "Algebraic topology", etc. I cann't it either when I use " CategorytTree". Example:
I use Windows, with Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox. I have the same problem in other Wikimedia projects. Any idea to solve it? Thanks. HUB ( talk) 12:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
They show when you set the depth attribute greater than 2, but the same problem persists if you try to delve deeper. Ofcourcse, this is not practicat.:
ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 13:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
As I was wandering around Wikipedia I found the article Miscellaneous on which {{ Wi}} was put. The message of the template looks as expected after I log in, but if I log out it becomes like this:
“ | Wikipedia does not have an encyclopedia article for Miscellaneous. You may wish to read Wiktionary's entry on "[[Wiktionary:Special:Search/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]" instead. | ” |
I think the message should not change even for user who choose not to log in. Is it some kind of technical problem or I am just the only one got this problem? -- Quest for Truth ( talk) 17:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Special:PrefixIndex seems to be partly broken. It now behaves more like Special:AllPages.
To get the old kind of PrefixIndex search, where you only see the pages that start with what you search for, then you still can manually do a link like this: Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example
But if you use the search box at Special:PrefixIndex then it also lists pages later in the alphabetical order, more like Special:AllPages. Try going to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example and then click the [Go] button there and you'll see.
And when using the [Go] button it blanks the search field. Thus making it hard to then also search for instance for the "User talk:" pages with the same name.
-- David Göthberg ( talk) 20:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to remove the autoconfirmed flag? I know the abuse filter is in a position to do so - so I was wondering if that was possible as an admin. In one particular case I am looking at someone who has a load of deleted/reverted contributions which consist of testedits and minor graffiti - not bad enough to warrant a block but due to the break since the first editing s/he could fall under the radar if restarting activity for a third time. Agathoclea ( talk) 19:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed a very long reference section on 4 Minutes (Madonna song) and went ahead and split it into two columns. However, this had the unexpected effect of causing the infoboxes and categories from below the reflist template to be omitted from the article, as evident in the old version of the article (note, same diff-link as before). The version before my edit did not have this problem, and since all I changed was adding the two-column option to the reflist template, this must be what caused the problem. The problem is only present in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer (which doesn't show the two columns, though, but that is described in the template's infobox, so not surprising. - Lilac Soul ( talk • contribs • count) 07:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have asked a question at Wikipedia talk:Special:LongPages#All namespaces. -- IRP ☎ 20:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In discussing the benefits of doing hard redirects vs. soft redirects with a co-worker, it occurred to me that Wikipedia's (squid) cache servers are potentially wasting space in memory for what are essentially duplicate copies of pages. With soft redirects, for example, the squid servers need to keep a ~300K copy of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley and a ~300K copy of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Berkeley in memory (as well as other ~300K copies each of the other 47 redirects) whereas with hard redirects it would only need to keep one ~300K of the article and 48 much much smaller (hard) redirect URLs. Presumably the traffic to the "real" articles is higher than the "soft redirect" versions, and so not all of the "soft redirect" versions will end up being cached... but still, it seems like the performance capacity of the squid servers could be dramatically improved by switching from soft redirects to hard redirects. Thoughts? --
UC_Bill (
talk) 18:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I mean. I'm bringing it up here first, because it would represent a change to the behavior of redirects on the site, and that would presumably be of interest to many (non-developer) editors. Also, I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that the technical folk who run the site sometimes read the technical discussion on the site. -- UC_Bill ( talk) 18:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I propose we don't inject any such message. It could be done (for 99% of cases) by looking at the HTTP_REFERER (sic) environment variable... but since the whole point is to have the squid cache servers be able to handle the requests themselves (and since they're not able to inject messages into pages) it would end up being skipped in favor of the cached-with-no-injected-message version. That's a minor loss in functionality (some would consider it an improvement since the URL itself would change to the "correct" version.. something that has always annoyed me about the current setup) that results in a HUGE gain in server capacity (and thus performance, given fixed hardware resources.) -- UC_Bill ( talk) 23:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I hadn't thought about the usefulness of the "redirected from xxx" links in terms of easy access to the redirect itself. You wouldn't need to know the HTTP_REFERER variable (or rather, you should already know it because it's what you just typed into the browser, before being redirected) but you would need to know to put redirect=no in there, which is a pain.
As for the functionality of the squid cache servers, they would keep duplicate copies of each (regularly visited) redirect page... unless the Wikipedia sysadmins made some custom changes to the code (which they may very well have done.) As for the "cheapness" of non-HTTP redirects, they're cheap from the perspective of the PHP (Apache) servers, but are just as expensive as an actual article from the perspective of the Squid cache servers. Since some really high percentage of requests (over 3/4, last time I read anything about it) are handled by the squid cache servers and never even reach the PHP/Apache servers, I'd argue that it's the cache expense that matters — again, unless the devs have modified the code for the squid software. -- UC_Bill ( talk) 15:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's RAM, not disk space, and there are a lot more constraints on the amount of RAM that can be put into use in a physical server running the Squid cache software (not to mention the number of actual physical servers available, which are considerably more expensive than adding more disk.) I don't think there's any question (unless I'm wrong about how the squids handle non-HTTP redirects) that replacing non-HTTP redirects with HTTP redirects will result in a dramatic increase in cache capacity (and thus performance.) The question is how to resolve the various side effects of doing so (such as the extra hoops people would need to jump through to edit redirect pages themselves.) -- UC_Bill ( talk) 17:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
if(document.referrer){
if(document.referrer.split("http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/").length==2){ //Just making sure that referrer is valid wiki page
//remove the main part of the url from the referrer var, making it easier to compare:
var refer=document.referrer.split("http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/")[1//Just getting the name of the page without the stuff around the url. When actually implementing, it would be better to use wgServer instead of http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org
var nameOfReferrer=""
for(i=0;i<redirArray.length;i++){
if(refer==redirArrayi]){//Cross-referencing
nameOfReferrer=redirArrayi//If match, store name, and break out of loop
break;
}//endif
}//endfor
if(nameOfReferrer!=""){ //If the referrer is a redirecting page
document.write("Redirected from" + nameOfReferrer)//I didnt make this a link to the page, but it wouldn't be hard to
}//endif
}//endif
}//endif
ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 08:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Maybe there is already a list of redirects stored with the page. I suggest seeing the code of Special:WhatLinksHere, as it can distinguish between redirects. If the same code is implemented here, then you can see if document.referrer is a redirect or not. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 10:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, squid servers understand "hard" (HTTP) redirects just fine, and only need to store the URL that's being redirected to rather than a full copy of the page like they do now. It might be reasonable to include a list of redirects somewhere within some hidden form variables in a page, so they'd be easily accessible to client-side javascript without having to make a second request to get that information. Another nice side-effect of using HTTP redirects is that search engines are (usually) pretty smart about how they index redirects, so that you won't end up with multiple hits for the same page because of the variations in the article/redirect title. Of course, given the prominence of Wikipedia, the major search enginges should already be removing the duplicate entries resulting from Wikipedia's "internal" redirects... but they don't, and HTTP redirects are the standard way of dealing with that anyway, so it's probably still better to take that approach. -- UC_Bill ( talk) 21:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
To implement this, a change needs to made to index.php, in which if it finds a #REDIRECT tag in the diff, then it can take suitable action (Add an XML tag to the target page if a redirect tag was added, remove the XML if the tag was removed, and remove XML and put it on a different page if the target was changed) ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 06:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I just observed that, when I'm looking at a user's contributions, I have a tab labelled "User rights management" after the links for the user's userpage, talk page, etc., up in the top left corner just under "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I've been an admin since November 2007, but I'm confident that this wasn't available earlier today; do people who have been admins for a certain period of time get a few more rights? Or is this a new feature for all admins? I typed "user rights management" into the search feature (with quotes), telling it to look only at Wikipedia: pages, and I got absolutely nothing. Nyttend ( talk) 21:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
If you look at the HTML source of this template, you'll see that whitespace has been inserted between the "NavHead" DIV element and its children. This whitespace is rendered to the page (see here) and should be removed. SharkD ( talk) 00:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I just got edit conflicts 3 times in a row doing section edits on wp:Requested templates, when someone added something to a different section. not supposed to be the way that works, yah? did I just hit the jackpot on flukes, or is something odd going on? -- Ludwigs2 21:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I know that we now log on to all the wikis we have accounts with a single logon. But is there any way we can arrange the system so that we are notified of any new mail we might have in any of the wikis at the same time, passibly through the "you have new mail" bar, rather than having to bounce between them to see if anything new has happened? John Carter ( talk) 19:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying to create a series of inline image maps. However, successive image maps always appear on a new line. See here. Anyone know of a workaround? SharkD ( talk) 05:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
default [[example]]
setup for the link (a clickable image), just use a normal inline image and specify the |link=example
parameter that the devs bestowed upon us. If you actually want an image map inline, then you need to mess around with really hackish CSS involving mainly putting the entire paragraph within a special element. {{
Nihiltres|
talk|
log}} 05:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
on wikiquote, there is an ad for ass pus productions. its visible here and i have upped a screenshot here. badmachine ( talk) 08:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been playing with tables : Duration of Copyright (UK), and want to replace the lilac background-color (sic) of a single cell, with a background-image. Does anyone know how to do it? -- ClemRutter ( talk) 09:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
This would only be okay for general use if there is some way to limit it to free images hosted on Commons. Floating text labels over a blank map would be one realistic example, though I know there are already more complicated ways to do this with z-index, etc. Perhaps we could come up with some kind of in-house syntax for using a background image in a div or table cell, which would be converted to
background-image: url(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Austria_location_map.svg/250px-Austria_location_map.svg.png)
for example. Seems like that would be simpler than mucking around with several super-imposed divs. — CharlotteWebb 18:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Did someone remove the [rollabck] links from the watchlist or these links weren't there in the first place? — SV 12:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I am using the categorytree extension at WP:DERM:CAT (see expandable tree on the left). However, although there have been no changes to the categorytree tag on that page recently, the tree now no longer expands past one level (see how the second level categories have no [+] next to them). What is the problem? kilbad ( talk) 13:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
See talk page entry. -- Yecril ( talk) 19:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
At Talk:Historicity of Jesus, the last few edits are invisible. Specifically, this set [11]. I can't figure out how to fix it, I managed to get a small bit to show but with my sig, so that was no good. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 21:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
The date linking and formatting poll is now open. All users are invited to participate. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 23:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Please could someone define the Wikipedia meaning of "stub article"? I created Fledgling Jason Steed yesterday and marked it as "start class," before nominating it at DYK. (It isn't massively long, but it does have 25 refs etc). However, another editor removed the start tag and marked it is a stub. I always thought a stub was just a few lines, or a couple of paragraphs at most...-- Beehold ( talk) 11:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC) (PS, I've also posted this at DYK discussion - as I wasn't sure which page to use).
Memory condition crashed the database master for English Wikipedia; we were down for about 25 minutes. All restarted and recovered now; others sites not affected. -- brion ( talk) 23:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Looks like a feature for saving as a draft (It won't be shown on the page, but while editing you have the choice to load from different drafts) is coming soon. It's been loaded onto testwiki: (1.15alpha (r48811)), where MW updates usually come a bit earlier. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 04:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes people use a public terminal, or they have mischievous over at their house. Some way or another the account of an otherwise good contributor falls into the hands of a childish vandal. More often than not the password is not compromised, but rather the user just left themselves logged in on an unattended computer.
I suggest a simple tool that will allow an admin to log out a user that is suddenly acting strange. The user can then simply log back in if they are the true user, but the usurper is left looking at a log in prompt. I am sure it would not be too difficult for the developers to create. What do people think? Chillum 17:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
To answer the original discussion, why not have a 'sleep' mode, in which you are logged in to all of the pages, and any unsaved work is kept frozen, but to resume you have to enter your password again. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 13:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
For the record you can change the e-mail address of an account without knowing the old password, then request a temporary password, then change the password with that. It only takes time. I am not sure but I think it can be done while blocked, you sure can't do it while logged off. Chillum 14:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Of course this means that anyone who compromises your e-mail account (which is most likely easier to crack) can easily get hold of your Wikipedia account by sending a temporary password to it. Then they can log in and remove your e-mail address from Special:Preferences to ensure that regaining access to your e-mail account (if possible) won't do you any good. — CharlotteWebb 16:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
When I start a clip, stop it, go to another page and then return, the clip re-starts without being asked. This is not a serious or even noticeable problem with silent movies like the one at Cnidaria, but is quite annoying with sound clips such as those at Grindcore - especially as there are 2 on the page and they both re-start. -- Philcha ( talk) 15:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Be happy you're not going to Marathi_phonology#Consonants That page has about 60 clips. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 02:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Something I've run into recently and I'm not too sure where to take it up...
I've been having problems with file deletion for images. The upshot is that I cannot delete individual versions of the file. If I try to remove the next newest or older version, the entire page is deleted.
Any ideas what this may be or where I should be taking this up?
Thanks,
- J Greb ( talk) 18:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I am authoring a list of mainstream topics where dissenting opinions appear in the footnotes. Do I have any control over the footnote indices appearing in the main text? I would like to have all the footnote numbers of one dissentor appear in the same color. Any other change such as size, shape, or numeric range could also be used. Phil_burnstein ( talk) 20:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Why does it show "comment removed" in a user talk page? (See screenshot; I forgot which page it was.) Kimchi.sg ( talk) 08:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, don't know if this is the right place to post but don't know where else to report it...basically the edit counters I use at Toolserver are down, reporting an "Page not found (404)" error message. This refers to the edit and action counter and the list of articles created, which are the only ones I use...regards, Giant Snowman 03:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
The above-mentioned discussion has been archived at
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 57#Articles created.
Graham
87 09:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
How can I transclude the content of a webpage? Please help me. Thank you. -- Amit ( Talk | Contribs) 16:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2009 January 1 - why are there still subpages under IfD, when the process was moved to FfD? This makes searches annoying. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 13:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The 'bot is busy renaming the 2006 sub-pages as I type this. Uncle G ( talk) 00:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I regularly use navigation popups to disambigaue links, and it's brilliantly efficient tool for the job.
However, today it has stopped loading the "show changes" view after it has made its changes. Viewing the changes is essential when using it on anything except a very short stub articles to check that the correct links have been disambiguated, so the remocal of automatic preview requires an editor to sscroll down, find the "show chnages" button, and click it. This adds several unnecessary steps to the process, and slows down the important work of disambiguation. Does anyone know why this has been done, and whether it can be undone?
BTW, I now use POPUPs through the gadgets setting at Special:Preferences, rather than loading Lupin's version into my monobook.js ... so I presume that as a gadget, this change is the work of a Wikimedia developer. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is the John Charles Dodson, 3rd Baron Monk Bretton saying there is no references tag, when there is one? Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 23:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
<ref name="ww" />
to<ref group="note">MONK BRETTON, John Charles Dodson. (2008). In ''Who's Who 2008''. Retrieved February 26, 2008, from http://www.credoreference.com/entry/7441825</ref>
{{reflist|group="note"}}
immediately after the sucession box. --——
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk - 15:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)This is one of my 101 pet peeves. I swear there are some editors would put the references section 30 feet beyond the end of the page if they knew how. The best solution here would be to state this information somewhere in the main prose (this should be done with any important navbox/infobox/successionbox info, regardless) and add a ref to it in that position. In addition to or lieu of that you could create/link-to the article about this man's heir, and provide a reference for the other guy's heir status in that article. — CharlotteWebb 18:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I've removed the ref in the succession box, and that fixed that problem. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 23:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
This is about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amaranth Games (2nd nomination): the developing consensus is that the article (about a CORP) doesn't pass the inclusion bar however some of its production does. I have started working on salvaging elements which can be split out here, the intent being to migrate the salvaged content to Aveyond (Game Series). Since this is reusing content contributed by other editors, the edit history should certainly be kept. I am however unsure about the proper process:
As I'm obviously still quite new, I'd appreciate any guidance on how best to proceed. Thanks. MLauba ( talk) 11:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The categories are wikifed and show when editing the article Military of Morocco, but I can't seem to make them show when the article is saved. There's no broken references, or anything like that. Could I get some help? Thanks! cOrneLlrOckEy ( talk) 12:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I've already submitted this to bugzilla:17810 but maybe I'm just missing something.
When I go to any article and click the printable version via the link on the sidebar, I can see the printable version without the [edit] links. But if I copy-paste the text to a document, the edit links appear again. This is quite annoying, but is this a known bug? -- penubag ( talk) 23:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I just saw a question over on Wikipedia talk:vandalism about people posting obscene things in the sandboxes. nothing to be done about that directly, I don't suppose, but it got me wondering whether the sandbox history could be purged periodically (deleting everything over 6 hours old, say...) I can't imagine a reason why wikipedia would need to keep old revisions of the sandboxes around; this would remove a lot of crap and free up some space on the servers that could be put to better use. would that be possible, even? -- Ludwigs2 00:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of whether it would do any good to delete (in any sense of the word) old revisions of the public sandbox, the idea of a private "Special:Mysandbox" feature is certainly interesting. It would probably be the only feasible way to provide an editable, history-less page for deeply personal test edits, drafts, evidence storage, or other notes-to-self. Sure, one could set up their own private wiki for this, but it would be a pain to copy over (and continuously update) every template and meta-template and meta-meta-template needed to guarantee proper rendering of the page. Not sure whether you'd want to think of this as " notepad.exe but supporting wikitext markup and remote transclusion" or " Special:Expandtemplates but with a 'save' button", or just "a big text field added to the `user` table but which the parser treats just like any other", but I think a lot of us would find it quite useful. — CharlotteWebb 15:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I had this interesting discussion with an anon here, about the size of a 3 MB GIF file. I thought it was no big deal, but the anon complains that this makes their small Nokia browser very slow and therefore they want to eliminate the GIF from the article. Is there a policy that covers this? Thanks. Dr.K. logos 03:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
bugzilla:16451 -- Splarka ( rant) 07:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I used the twinkle "csd" function in an attempt to request a redirect-page delete to make way for a move, and twinkle added template {{
Db-pagemove}}
to the page. However, that template redirects to {{
Db-g3}}
which is for "pure vandalism" pages. Not quite the expected result. --
Tcncv (
talk) 05:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
db-move}}
.
Someguy1221 (
talk) 05:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Here's a thread I started on Sj's talk page. I'm copying it to here to relay the question to you tech-heads. Your input would be appreciated.
There are several ways of doing this. I, personally, simply wrote a program called WIKIMOVE.exe. To rename pages in a script, I simply write a script that invokes that program. My new IFD-TO-FFD.btm script, that I have just written for Uncle G's major work 'bot, is one such script that invokes it, for example. You appear to be looking for some JavaScript. A script is not necessarily, or even usually, JavaScript, and doesn't run in a WWW browser. Shell scripts, in particular, do not. Uncle G ( talk) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I asked my question here
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 57#Messed up multiple columns
It didn't look perfect when I finished then, but it does now. I found the solution for my problem under Internet radio#See also, after clicking on "edit". I needed to read more carefully, because it took a couple of tries. There was more than what I had seen.
This is what I had to fix.
Adult standards#Adult standards artists
Is the information about how to do this somewhere? Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
col-3}}
templates to gived the columns equal widths. Does this look better? --
Tcncv (
talk) 02:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)First off, I'm making the assumption that this is the correct location for discussions on Wikisouce and Commons, which might not be correct. I've also posted this text at the Help Desk.
Question: is there Wiki software available to allow Wikipedia users to view image files (of books/magazines/journals) on the left side of the user's display, with the matching digital article on the right side of the screen? That seems to me to be the ideal: viewing the original document/book/journal/newsclipping complete with illustrations and photos on the left side, while having the digital article (with all its advantages) displayed on the right side of the user's screen.
I've noticed in Wikisource only a few issues of National Geographic Magazine had been uploaded, and of those many were only indexed while only a few had been proofed and were readable as digital articles. To me that seems to ignore the huge stores of desirable articles available from quality magazines/journals that are no longer under copyright protections, prob. a hundred issues of National Geographic alone prior to 1923 as well as tens of thousands of journals. It also seems that an easy way to provide significant benefit to Wikipedia editors and the general public would be to make those public domain magazines and journals available as quickly as possible (via uploaded scanned .Jpeg image files), followed with very simple article indexing with subject tags. Digital conversions, proofing and meta-data could follow afterwards on a time-available basis. If Wiki viewing software (as noted earlier) were used and the scanned article's digital text were not yet available, a message stating so would be added to the blank view on the right side of the screen, opposite to the page image on the left side. Other messages on the right side could indicate the absence or completeness of proofing and meta tags.
For your consideration if this has not yet been discussed -thanks.....
HarryZilber ( talk) 21:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I updated the new three month ranking of 7 [1], but I'm not sure how to find the exact date for the "Wikipedia's Alexa ranking milestones (3 month average)" section. Anyone know? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 17:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that there is a large Wikipedia access_log sample available for download. Does anyone know where I can obtain this file? I am interested in analyzing how Wikipedia users browse Wikipedia (for example, what sequences of articles). So looking at summarized stats is not sufficient, I would like to see the actual web server logs. Jawed ( talk) 02:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
There is interest in this kind of thing, but we're not interested enough to actually dedicate resources to anonymising logs, and risk the user data exposure (e.g. see the AOL search record controversy in which logs were anonymised, but it was still possible to track down users). — Werdna • talk 12:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a problem I've noticed with several WikiProject banners. Take {{ WPCHINA}} at Talk:A Xiang for example; when I first load the page the banner appears as intended:
but as soon as I move the cursor the collapsible section vanishes:
Any ideas? (I use IE7). PC78 ( talk) 19:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have received the following (Below) upon sending a question to my MAC dictionary/wikipedia APP. I have no idea why. I, until now, had no wikipedia account and have not knowingly lent my laptop to anyone. Until this day, I had no idea who Adam Copeland was.
I am sure this is not where such enquiries go, but it was impossible to figure out and I am sure that one or many of you mavens out there do and will forward and respond appropriately.
Thank you.
The following: <<<Sava (disambiguation) You have new messages (last change). Sava may refer to:>>>
Links to: <<<User talk:68.46.7.39 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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February 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to the page Adam Copeland has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. ... discospinster talk 00:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)>>>
RBwhy ( talk) 19:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have Raw signature checked in Special:Preferences. Per Wikipedia:Signatures#Using four tildes, that should give me " TerraFrost ( talk) 22:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)", but it doesn't - it gives me "TerraFrost 22:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)". Any ideas as to why? TerraFrost 22:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I posted a "Help Me" on my Talk Page ... and I was referred to this page. I hope this is the right page where I can ask my question and get a resolution. Can anyone help with this question? Thanks in advance. Please take a look at the list below. You can also take a look at the Wikipedia "code" that generates this list below, if you'd like, by hitting the "edit" link to the right above. My question is this. Is there any way to make the second column of the list simply continue the numerical count, without starting over at "1"? If so, what is the way to accomplish that? In other words, I would like the second half of the list, on the right hand side, to begin with the numbers 19, 20, 21, and so on. Any advice? Thanks. ( Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 23:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC))
Lists:
(outdent) well, I went ahead and made a template for this - {{ col-list}}. not fully tested, but... {{Col-list|pos=start|type=ol|init=1 | List of Academy Award articles | List of Academy Award records | List of Academy Award-winning films | List of Academy Awards ceremonies | List of actors nominated for Academy Awards for foreign language performances | List of actors nominated for two Academy Awards in the same year | List of actors who have appeared in multiple Best Picture Academy Award winners | List of actors with two or more Academy Awards in acting categories | List of Argentine Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Asian Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Best Actor winners by age at win | List of Best Actress winners by age at win | List of Best Director winners by age at win | List of Best Supporting Actor nominees | List of Best Supporting Actor nominees (films) | List of Best Supporting Actor winners by age at win | List of Best Supporting Actress nominees | List of Best Supporting Actress nominees (films) }} {{Col-list|pos=end|type=ol|init=19 | List of Best Supporting Actress winners by age at win | List of Big Five Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Black Academy Award winners and nominees | List of directors with two or more Academy Awards for Best Director | List of fictitious Academy Award nominees | List of films receiving six or more Academy Awards | List of Mexican Academy Award winners and nominees | List of oldest and youngest Academy Award winners and nominees | List of people who have won multiple Academy Awards in a single year | List of persons who have won Academy, Emmy, Grammy, and Tony Awards | List of posthumous Academy Award winners and nominees | List of presenters of Best Picture Academy Award | List of Puerto Rican Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Spanish Academy Award winners and nominees | List of superlative Academy Award winners and nominees | List of Uruguayan Academy Award winners and nominees | Lists of Hispanic Academy Award winners and nominees by country }} it will take up to 25 entries in each section, you can choose between ol and ul types, and the kind of marker you want to use,, and you can even do multiple columns, like so: {{Col-list|type=ol|pos=start|A|B|C|D}} {{Col-list|type=ol|init=5|E|G|G|H}} {{Col-list|type=ol|pos=end|init=9|I|J|K|L|M}} hope this helps. I'll add documentation for it in a bit. -- Ludwigs2 17:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Please never use multi-column layout -- it interferes with small screens, large fonts for visual issues, printing, and general legibility. -- brion ( talk) 16:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
From my computer using IE 7.0.5730.11CO and win XP 2002 SP 3 I get a time out error when I load an image or edit a long page of wikipedia. IE just stays waiting from the reply from the server for a long time. From another computer everything is ok. Is there any special requirement on IE options or drivers or java ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSacerdoti ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
this website is firefox website, not internet explorer FAQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSacerdoti ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Like this user I encountered that ad but Firefox doesn't do anything when I click on the link (yes, javascript is enabled). See also this. -- Ma Baker ( talk) 18:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made a template {{ Currentmonthday}}, rendering: April 29.
So far I have used it successfully in {{ Day+1}} and {{ Day-1}}. I propose to add it to the magic words in Magic words#Date & time. Every time I look at that list this suggestion comes to my mind. Now that I've made the template maybe the time is ripe. Debresser ( talk) 14:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
d yyyy
style of writing a date. --
Amalthea 15:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)The first three example work as expected, but the fourth gives an error:
{{Day+1|{{Currentmonthday}}}} = April 30
{{Day-1|{{Currentmonthday}}}} = April 28
{{Day+1|{{Currentdaymonth}}}} = April 30
{{Day-1|{{Currentdaymonth}}}} = April 28
—
Edokter •
Talk • 01:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm (unfortunately) not familiar with the way complex templates or magic words work. A few months ago I wasn't familiar with Wikipedia either, and now I write, edit, and manage to fix templates sometimes, so who knows what I'll be able to do in time. Do you plan to fix the bug? Could you make the magic words {{CURRENTMONTHDAY}} and {{CURRENTDAYMONTH}}? Debresser ( talk) 14:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I found a copy and pasted wikipedia article at other commercial site.
I make that article by myself.
But commercial site's user, Michael, don't notice my name at copied article.
Michael(pseudonym) only notice, wikipeda URL and GFDL.
But, Wikipedia is not copyright holder. copyright holder is me. principal author is also me, not wikipedia.
I request the copy-paste feature that auto-include my name to wikipedia articles. -- WonRyong ( talk) 02:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
If you are requesting that you get copyright over your work, it is not possible in Wikipedia. Whatever you write is released to the public, and they can use it if they cite Wikipedia. Whoever uses it need not cite your name, as the content is not yours anymore. If you have something that you want to stay as your property, do not put in on the 'pedia.ee WP:OWN ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 04:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I've noticed that there are suddenly a lot of templates in articles who's talk-page is now a redlink. Has there been a purge on talkpage deletion on templates, or have I simply not noticed this before?! Lugnuts ( talk) 08:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I was going through CSD backlog and I came across File:DigitalUK logo.png. I've deleted a file, but in case a non-administrator wants to know what it was, here is the page history:
...and here is the file history:
The strange thing is the fact that the page history was intact, but the file history was already deleted when I came and the deletion log does not mention it [2]. Admiral Norton ( talk) 18:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I sent for a new password some 10 or so hours ago, but I have yet to receive one. cannot seem to find the old one or I'd use it. seems I did remember my username, Wiki does list that in the username space, but none of the passwords I thought I may have used are accepted. what happened to my new password? or does it take a full 24 hours to get one? that would be pretty bad turn around time for an automated system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.160.69 ( talk) 06:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I did use the right eddress, and it didn't require a username that I recall, but if it did, then maybe I have the wrong one. so I can't work in Wiki, can't reply to a comment. it's just a tech. murphy's law for me today. not just Wikki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.160.69 ( talk) 08:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not figuring out how to make {{ Top 50 U.S. City Mayors}} automatically defaulted to collapsed. Can someone be my hero and fix it? -- Banjeboi 12:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
|state=
parameter; state = collapsed
or state = autocollapse
should do it.
rʨanaɢ
talk/
contribs 13:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Yea, I know this is getting old, but here are some updated statistics on the velocity of edits being made to Wikipedia. Have fun! MBisanz talk 06:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
This one has been annoying me for a couple of days now. I recently upgraded to Firefox 3.0.7 from 2.something. Before the upgrade, when editing I always had the drop down tool list thingy below the edit box (I am not sure what the correct name is, but it's the drop down where you can select Insert, Wiki markup etc). Since the upgrade it seems to be hit and miss as to whether I get it or the far less useful copy and paste table (the one without the dropdown). I assume that this is a javascript issue. Is there some way I can force the use of drop down list every time I edit? Thanks. – ukexpat ( talk) 14:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I've encountered a curious circumstance a dozen or so times during several years of Wikipedia editing. It seems to me that the text editor will take a word that is at the end of a line, and duplicate it unexpectedly, probably during SAVE. When i look at the output, that word appears twice.
The problem is, this happens so rarely that i don't know how to reproduce it. But i have also seen words doubled in articles that wouldn't normally be doubled, and so i expect that this phenomena has affected others as well.
One possibly complicating factor, it might be a browser bug, or an interaction between the Wikipedia text editor and a particular browser. I use Firefox, and have used Firefox for most of the time that i've been editing. I always use the latest version. (My current OS is Windows Vista, but i encountered the problem while editing under Windows 2000 as well.)
Has anyone else experienced this?
thanks, Richard Myers ( talk) 14:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Circeus just showed me phpSyntaxTree, which auto-generates syntax trees (as .png images) out of some code. It's an external application, so the only way to use it with WP is to make a tree over there and then save the image and upload it here as a file; but I was wondering if it's possible to add something to MediaWiki that allows you to embed the code directly in an article (like how we can embed LaTeX with <math></math>). Would that sort of thing be a huge pain, or is it relatively simple? And if it is simple, where would one go about submitting a suggestion like that? rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 15:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The article Social Security debate (United States) ends with a list of Footnotes and a list of References, with more than 40 entries in each. Both look like the style of list produced by the <ref> ... </ref> ... <references/> style that I am familiar with. Is this some new and even more complicated version of that style, or is the article just botched? If the first, where do I read about it? -- 70.48.231.39 ( talk) 19:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
After about six months' waiting, I've finally activated the AbuseFilter extension on enwiki!
In brief, the Abuse Filter allows automated heuristics to be run against every edit. It's designed as an anti-vandalism tool for very simple and/or pattern based vandalism.
PLEASE do not activate a filter with any action other than flagging without testing it first with just flagging enabled. — Werdna • talk 23:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Showing the IP address on blocked createaccount actions seems like a bad idea. This probably goes against the WMF privacy policy. --- RockMFR 02:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Not a huge deal yet, but I agree that it might be best not to show the IPs. Still thinking about the best way to do this, technically speaking. — Werdna • talk 03:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Does the Abuse Filter do short-circuit evaluation? --- RockMFR 01:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This should be a great tool... could diff buttons be added to it, though? The AbuseLog could be used for vandalism fighting even if it isn't fully automated. –
Drilnoth (
T •
C) 02:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Werdna, for IP blocks you need to use something similar to the autoblock numbers (see Special:Ipblocklist):
etc. — CharlotteWebb 21:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Every time that I've tried to update Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia with the content from the toolserver page, Wikimedia says that there's an error and I need to try back later. I haven't noticed any problems editing other articles today... is there a way to update this? I'm not sure if it would matter, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Translation was just created a few days ago. – Drilnoth ( T • C) 00:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any script or some such that would allow users to watchlist only a section of a page? As it currently stands, it is essentially pointless to watchlist talk pages which receive lots of traffic and have multiple active discussions; if you watch the page and an edit occurs, you have to manually check if your section was edited. Watchlisting sections would solve this quite nicely! -- Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 16:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Sections aren't really well-defined at the software level. Let's say you are only "watching" one section and I click "[edit]" on the next section after it. My only change to is to remove the section heading from the latter section, which causes the two sections to become one. Should this show up in your hypothetical "section watchlist" (remember, I never edited your section)? — CharlotteWebb 22:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to phrase this. Is there a way, either by magic words or by site JS, to get the name of the user who clicks a wiki-link?
For instance, our instructions on how to create a sub-page in user space are simple enough once you understand how to do it, but they're far beyond what a new editor can fathom, so it would be nice to have a static article where the editor could click on "make a subpage" and for me, it would edit User:Franamax/Subpage and for Jimbo it would be User:Jimbo Wales/Subpage. Even better would be a thingy where I could click it and it would ask me for the subpage name.
The context here is to create a simple method for new editors who have made a new article that has been CSD'ed to have an easy path for userfication. The CSD notice could have a link to a page like this one - point 2., I'm trying to fill in the "[instructions here]" part of it with a one-click link.
Does any of that make sense? :) Franamax ( talk) 19:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed mw:Special:Code/MediaWiki/48276. Just wanted to give enwiki a head's as these are pretty heavily used here. (Should this be somewhere else like WP:VPT? Apologies if so) ^ demon [omg plz] 20:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It means they forgot to update line 427:
- - # Optional notices on a per-namespace and per-page basis
- + # Optional notices on a per-namespace basis
Is there some reason it wouldn't be better to just make the latter feature optional and disable it in the configuration of our wikis? Other sites may find this useful and be less concerned about cache issues. — CharlotteWebb 15:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Note that per-page editnotices are not completely disabled in that revision, just per-page editnotices in the article, File, MediaWiki, Help, Help talk, Category, and Category talk namespaces (i.e. the ones where subpages are disabled). When I tried to ask why, [5] that question was ignored. And the only reason given for removing it at all was "this feature introduced bad practices", no mention of performance issues. Anomie ⚔ 22:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I propose the following solution that will preserve per page editnotices but move them out of the Mediawiki space and stop annoying Domas.
Dragons flight ( talk) 04:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Putting parser functions in widely used messages is a bad idea. It would almost certainly get reverted (see MediaWiki:nstab-main's history). ^ demon [omg plz] 12:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Unless they come back two hours ago, someone really needs to run a bot to notify every talk page of articles with editnotices in them. I just checked the one that I know of and it's been disabled, but anyone not watching this page won't know. This isn't some "oh well whatever" case -- usually the notices are an important help in curving unuseful edits. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ ( talk) 11:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I just had a thought, as far as fixing the immediate problem until we finish the discussion: Create
MediaWiki:Editnotice-0 as {{#ifexist:MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-{{PAGENAME}}|{{MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-{{PAGENAME}}}}}}
, and append {{#ifexist:MediaWiki:Editnotice-8-{{PAGENAME}}|{{MediaWiki:Editnotice-8-{{PAGENAME}}}}}}
to
MediaWiki:Editnotice-8. Once we decide where to move the per-page editnotices to in order to get them out of the MediaWiki namespace, those can be revised as needed.
Anomie
⚔ 18:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Ajax maybe? We might consider something similar to the edittools fix. Then we could add a user preference (gadget) to disable it for people who find it obnoxious. — CharlotteWebb 14:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
In consideration of the above comments, and in the interest of boldy doing something, I suggest the following revised plan:
Dragons flight ( talk) 22:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done steps 1-4 in plan part 2 above for the Article and Talk space edit notices. I'll try to work through the rest later. I am currently using {{ editnotice load}} as the loader, which checks for only a single corresponding page at Template:Editnotices/{{FULLPAGENAME}}. This is a lot lighter than {{ editnotice loader}} and I wanted to get the edit notices back as quickly as possible without getting hung up on that extra complexity. I would expect features to be added as we go forward.
I went ahead and semi-ed the Editnotices pseudospace. I am aware that both of the people above to comment on protection seem to think all edit notices should be full protected. We can of course change this later if that is what the consensus ends up being. For the moment I left it at semi both because I think that is a better option, and because it will make things easier if there is clean up needed in the immediate aftermath of this migration. Dragons flight ( talk) 19:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm placing a little note here to hold off archiving. There is still the question of whether we want to deploy this one system globally or have two opposing systems (i.e. Mediawiki for some namespaces and Templates for the other). Personally I think it makes sense to only have one, but the devs seem in no rush over the other namespaces. Dragons flight ( talk) 06:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, since we're on editnotices, is there a way to hide them in a way similar to the banners, just by clicking on [hide] ? I'm more concerned of hiding because I think it would be interesting to have per-category editnotices, but there should be a way to hide them (and not one by one, but all at once of course), or it would be too intrusive for regulars. Do we have a magic word that allows to know if the current page is in a given category ? With that, we could create per-category editnotices through mediawiki:editnotice-0. Cenarium ( talk) 01:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a shorter version of all this information? -- DFS454 ( talk) 20:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to rename File:DSCN7043.JPG to File:Vermont Street (San Francisco).jpg. First it moved the image description page, but not the image, to the new name. I tried moving things back and forth and now get the following error when I try to undelete the file.
Undelete failed; someone else may have undeleted the page first. <p></p> Error undeleting file: Unable to write to file "public/archive/a/a4/20070717110943!DSCN7043.JPG": file exists
I'm going to download the deleted image and then re-upload it, but this does mean we need to be careful when renaming things. MBisanz talk 09:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been unable to submit edits to WP:AN or WP:ANI for the past 1/2 hour; instead receive the "Error - Wikimedia Foundation" page (no the pages are not sprot'd). Looking at the respective page histories, [6] [7], no edits have been made in over 30 minutes (not likely coincidental). Anyone else having this problem? -- 64.85.220.189 ( talk) 18:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing two discussions that are coming to seemingly opposite conclusions on two different pages. One one hand you see Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/Cleanup#Standardisation_of_template_styling which wants all template banners (amboxes) to look the same, and then we have Template_talk:Expand-section#More_subtle_style which wants section amboxes to look smaller. How can these two movements be reconciled? Online discussions can become disjointed (see meatball:ForestFire), but two discussions coming to opposite conclusions can be a disaster in the making.-- Ipatrol ( talk) 21:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm active on WP:SPOKEN & WP:BIRD. I am trying to find the number of times a spoken article is downloaded. I tried ' http://stats.grok.se/' for getting the page views of a spoken article. The page works if I input 'File:American_Black_Vulture.ogg' in the search box. It gives me an answer of 95 article views. But if I type 'Image:American_Black_Vulture.ogg', then I get 19 views.
Why is this so? Secondly, can I take it these are the number of downloads or just page views? How can I know the number of downloads?
AshLin ( talk) 16:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems that brion has enabled file renaming. All admins should now be able to move files. Redirects are created. This is a great new feature that was one of the most longstanding requests. I say many cookies for the devs are in order ! :D -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 03:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Renaming? Image redirects? I don't know that my little heart can take it... ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 03:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
BetacommandBot was also doing file renaming previously (trough reuploading). But the entire process will need some attention, because the files and cats are a bit disorganized atm. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is a mechanism in place to potentially warn those moving if a file is going to usurp an image from commons? Nanonic ( talk) 13:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
This has now created a major admin backlog (well... it was always a backlog, but now that moving images is an admin function, I'm saying it's now an admin backlog :) See Category:Media renaming requests and Category:Media requiring renaming. If you want to test out moving image pages, there are some files there that you could use to test out the feature. I guess ideally, this would be really simple for a bot to handle now. But I figured I'd mention it so anyone who wants to take the feature on a test drive and help clear a backlog, can do so. - Andrew c [talk] 16:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody tell me how to get rid of broad white gutter at the top of Alexander Hamilton-Gordon (1859–1939)? I tried previewing it without the {{ use dmy dates}} template and it looked normal. I tried adding an html comment to that template, thinking that it would help "eat" a line that contained only an html comment, but that doesn't work from within a template. Why shouldn't it? — CharlotteWebb 22:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah but, we ought not have to make edits like this all over the place. — CharlotteWebb 22:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
This seems like a non-obvious solution as removing the dmy template also solves the problem. Perhaps it is a combination of factors, however these should not be combining. Seems like the parser should strip white-space from both ends of the template before transcluding it into the other markup. — CharlotteWebb 22:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
One of my earlier points was that even if you add a bunch of instructions like this to the top of an article:
<!-- use dmy dates --> <!-- use metric units --> <!-- use british spellings --> <!-- drink tea --> <!-- call crackers "biscuits" --> <!-- drive on the left --> {{Infobox somethin'-r-other | ... = ...
There is no extra white-space visible as it gets "eaten" whenever a comment occupies an entire line. However this doesn't happen when blank templates are used to convey the same messages. — CharlotteWebb 22:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this serious enough to consider it a bug? "Magic words" like __NOTOC__ also behave like an empty template. If you put a blank line before and after to improve readability you get excessive spacing like you would if you had three blank lines. Except it is okay to do this with most templates. Let's say X is a banner template of some kind which displays a block element (table, div, etc.)—the following will all render the same:
Foo. {{X}} Bar. |
Foo. {{X}} Bar. |
Foo.{{X}}Bar. |
<p>Foo.</p> <table id="template-X" ... ...> <tr>... ... ...</tr> </table> <p>Bar.</p> |
Funny eh? — CharlotteWebb 10:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
This is only anecdotal, but has anyone else noticed anything weird happening with page history in the last few days? I could swear that a vandal-revert of mine completely dropped out of pagehist, but I shrugged it off at the time. Now I've just had a comment from elsewhere about pagehist getting screwed up so just wondering if anyone else has noticed alien objects in the sky...
I suspect a flaky server but I'll defer to "everything's fine" if that's the overwhelming opinion. Yes, I have no specifics. Just a premonition. Thanks! Franamax ( talk) 00:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The above link leads to a community poll regarding date linking on Wikipedia. The poll has not yet opened, but the community is invited to review the format and make suggestions/comments on the talk page. We need as many neutral comments as we can get so the poll run as smoothly as possible and is able to give a good idea of the communities expectations regarding date linking on the project—from User:Ryan Postlethwaite. Dabomb87 ( talk) 20:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
{{PAGESINCAT:Articles for deletion}} lists 788 which is completly and widely inaccurate, how can I fix this? Ikip ( talk) 14:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The underlying problem has been fixed for some time now (category count not being decremented on deletion) but the actual counts will not update unless the category is renamed or some maintenance script is run by the devs. MER-C 01:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to resize template documentation, so that when it is transcluded onto the template page, it only takes up 75% of the page and displays to the left of a sidebar template, instead of at the bottom, several scroll pages down? (See Template:Style/doc) In that case, the sidebar template is so long that the doc info ends up 2 pages down. Your help is appreciated! -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 23:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, this particular template requires no documentation, as it has no parameters. That is, there's only one way to use it. In any case you should not assume that 200px (actually 215px if you count the margin-left:15px;, possibly more in practice) will always be less than 25% of available space (for me, it wouldn't be). Really I think the best possible solution would be to get rid of the ugly blue background div of the {{ documentation}} template, so that all of the contents will wrap around anything hanging down from above the docs material. — CharlotteWebb 00:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Note that the output of {{ documentation}} explicitly doesn't wrap around floated boxes: the CSS class it uses contains "clear:both". If you really want it to be to the side of a floated template, something like this should do it (although it'll be squashed for those of us not using maximized browsers on high-resolution widescreen monitors):
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tr valign="top"><td>{{documentation}}</td> <td> <onlyinclude>(template goes here)</onlyinclude> </td> </table>
Documentation
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
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OTOH, chandler's suggestion is even better. Anomie ⚔ 02:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
In TV Tokyo (for example), you can clearly see File:Tv-tokyo-logo.png being used (I clicked the image to make sure I was viewing the right image page), but the "File links" section on that image page is blank. So, it appears something weird is happening and we need to be careful about deleting images which are allegedly not being used. I looked in Bugzilla, but didn't find anything which addressed this issue. Anyone know what might be the problem? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Not all page edits are updating the file links immediately. Notably if these file links are dynamically generated using conditional templates whose behavior is modified: in this case it will take between 3 and 10 days (on this Wikipedia, depending on the load) before all pages referencing the modified template have been completely parsed again. A null edit on a page using a template that includes some image will effectively update the file links immediately, but pages that were using an image and that were not modified at all but were modified only indirectly by one of the templates they depend on, will take long before they get parsed and regenerated, notably if the template has lots of references (apparently, the count of references for template is significant: only the first few references, generally the oldest ones, are parsed rapidly, but above some low threshold, the other pages are updated more slowly, by inserting the template's usage in a update job queue that MedaWiki will process with low priority (there's higher priority to update only those pages that are requested by users, but apparently MediaWiki cannot always see that a requested page is in the job queue for being refreshed)
As a consequence, a deletion request for unused medias should not be honored immediately: at least 15 days should be given for images stored locally on an unshared wiki (except Commons, see below), to make sure that all pages using a file have been listed. The deletion reason should indicate that the request is made because of absence of usage.
But the situation is more complex if images are stored in Commons: checking file usages requires scanning lots of wikis, not just Commons itself. The correct policy for Commons is to make sure that all related images are properly categorized and can be found and compared to other similar images. Then, equivalent images need to be kept for long with a "deprecation" request that should be kept for at least a couple of months, during which all wikis can be checked.
Beware: the CheckUsage tool used in Commons is currently not functional, due to lack of database dumps for many wikis, including many of the most important ones; I've seen recently some images being incorrectly deleted from Commons, just because they were apparently not used on English or German wikis, and in no other of a few tested Wikipedias, but that were used in several Wiktionnaries or Wikibooks or Wikiversities or even on Meta ! Restoration requests could not even be honored as there remained no backup anywhere (so the images had to be recreated, loosing most of its history of changes for better quality, or other images had to be selected). The file deletion log on Commons does not always give a reason, even if there was no copyright issue, some images disappear at unknown dates and for unknown reasons, as if they had never existed, this is very bad.
Something should be done to allow Commons to inform other "client" wikis that a deletion request is pending: each wiki would then insert its own check in its own database, that would complete after all its current job queue has been processed. At that time, the file usage will be checked, and the client wiki will post back the result to Commons. Commons will monitor the responses from all its registered client wikis and will manage these results in a queue page shoing the results of investigation. This deletion request status should be visible directly in the file's description page. If any wiki tries to import an image that has some deletion request pending, each request source (the referer's URL?) should be logged and counted over the deletion request period. After some maximum time has elapsed without any referal (is two months enogh for all client wikis?) the deletion request could be honored by admins, but if there are too many logged referals during that period, the deletion request should be canceled automatically (instead of this deletion log, there would remain an history line listing only a few of the referer locations discovered during the deletion request period). 79.94.111.15 ( talk) 12:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's possible but is there a way to make mirror sites no index some (or all) of my user pages? -- penubag ( talk) 06:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
User:ARSBot adds articles tagged for rescue to the talk page of WP:ARS, the problem is that they are never removed. For example, there are 86 articles listed, but only 33 articles which actually have the template currently. Is there a bot which can remove sections for a page when a certain template tag is removed from the pages? Ikip ( talk) 03:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The cascading protection for the Main page doesn't seem to be functioning. This picture was uploaded to En from Commons, for DYK, but I was still able to edit it while the image was on the Main Page. I'll have to go to sleep now, but it would be good if someone could look into this. Shubinator ( talk) 06:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC) (Please move this to the correct page if this isn't where it should be)
I just had to null edit the main page in order to get cascade protection working on the images. Usually only purging is necessary. --- RockMFR 21:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I'd definitely argue that the description page of an image used on a "cascade-protected" article should remain editable unless it is directly protected for an unrelated reason (because unlike with a template such edits cannot affect the article using the image). I think this would first require us to have a separate protection setting which allows images to be specifically protected only against replacement uploads. This would be useful on commons too as it would allow people to improve the image description and add various tags and translations etc. but still avoid upload vandalism on certain heavily used images whose appearance would very rarely need a legitimate change (flags would be a prime example). Has this already been requested somewhere? — CharlotteWebb 14:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone provide some pointers to docs that would explain how to extend XHTML (as used on en.Wikipedia) to include additional tags such as <mw:date>April 1 2009</mw:date>
? Either I'm too tired or I'm just coming across the most complicated examples on Google, but I'd like to think this would be simple to do. =)
As an aside: are most browsers compatible with sites that extend XHTML as I'm pursuing? I'm fairly confident about IE7 and Firefox, but if anyone has any compatibility issues they're aware of I'd be curious. Thanks! — Locke Cole • t • c 11:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
xmlns:mw="some unique url"
in the <html> element to bind the "mw:" namespace prefix; in that case your "mw:date" element will not be part of the XHTML DTD and will not have to be validated by it. Note however that XHTML's containment data model need to be updated as well to allow the additional element within the contents of a standard XHTML element (This requires adding your own "<!ELEMENT>" redeclaration for the XHTML element containment model, in addition to the declaration of the new custom element itself). If you don't do this, then the document will not parsse as valid XHTML and will necessarily be parsed using legacy HTML processing, using various "quirks" compatibility mode (which could affect the rendering across various browsers that will work without "strict" validation).
79.94.111.15 (
talk) 12:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)<span class="date">April 1 2009</span>
), but I felt extending it would make more sense (and allow for further extensions as time goes on). I'm not married to the idea at this stage, but it seemed "cleaner" than using a CSS class or marking off the dates some other way. —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 12:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)You don't really need to think of it as an extension to anything. Wikitext has plenty of tags which look like html but aren't. You could propose a new tag that's as simple as <date>April 29, 1992</date> and have it do whatever the heck you want. — CharlotteWebb 14:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently the page Fannia scalaris (about a species of fly) displays with its article title in italics. That is suitable for a biological name; but I can find nothing in its text that would make the title come in italics. How does this happen? (I am familiar with the template {{Lowercase}} to make the article title show wirh a lowercase first letter.) Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 10:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
infobox book}}
is a bit more tricky. If you could come up with a reasonably complete list of possible disambiguations ("book", "novel", etc), then it could be done from the |name=
parameter.
Happy‑
melon 17:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
|fullitalics=
yes) for articles like
Agrippa (a book of the dead) where the actual title includes brackets? Any editor-generated list would miss too much, I fear.
Skomorokh 17:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
|displaytitle=
parameter if the default needs to be overridden.
Algebraist 17:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
italictitle}}
. No documentation as yet, but watch this space...
Happy‑
melon 18:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
|force=
parameter does that here.
Happy‑
melon 19:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
italictitle|{{{name|PAGENAME}}}|book|novel}}
or something similar. In that case, titles such as
Crash (1973 novel) would be rendered incorrectly if no override was available.
Algebraist 19:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC){{
str left}}
coughs and dies after 80 characters, and {{
str find}}
dies after 50 characters. Making it fail gracefully in these circumstances is the most difficult part, and the part that would be remedied with
StringFunctions.
Happy‑
melon 21:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm still failing to see why the title needs italics at all. It is merely an identifier of where we decide to place a particular subject. Usual style rules should not apply. --- RockMFR 21:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi I seem to be having some problems with my talk page in that it is not displaying correctly. It is only displaying half the page as if it has zoomed in to the bottom section were the comments are, the scroll bar on the right moves the wiki globe and the search box on the left up and down and the page remains static. Also you can't see the links on the left Main Page, Contents etc, any ideas thanks. I use Opera as my browser. BigDunc Talk 18:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if someone with some more technical knowledge of Wikipedia could take a look at Category talk:Wikipedia backlog#Automatic backlogs and reorganizing this cat and clarify how the category additions could be done... there seems to be some confusion about how things work, and some more input would be much appreciated. Thanks! – Drilnoth ( T • C) 19:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed that for example, going to wikipedia.us/wiki/USA redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/wiki/USA. Surely this is not intended behavior. I think at least a beurucrat is needed to fix this. Am I correct that this is a mistake? -Zeus- u| c 03:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I have a technical problem related to the Turkish Wikipedia. I know this is the English Wikipedia, but I am hoping that developers read this page and may assist me. If there is a better page to post this please let me know. The problem is that on the special page for uncategorized pages ( http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Özel:KategorisizSayfalar), the list includes redirects, such as tr:Annie Hall (film). If this is not fixed, soon the list will consist of nothing but redirects and we will not be able to see the real pages needing categorization. Thanks for any help. -- İnfoCan ( talk) 14:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Favicon of English Wikipedia, is displayed incorrectly. It is same to Yahoo's! Maybe it could be my own problem, and would somebody check on other computer? 59.7.73.178 ( talk) 07:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Can an option for the watchlist be added to show/hide edits made by AWB? Lugnuts ( talk) 08:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the way Wikipedia constructs indents (using a : at the beginning of the line) to try to figure out spacing for CSS use on a template, and I discovered that (apparently) indents are nested HTML definition lists? that struck me as odd enough that I wanted to confirm it was true, and not a strange artifact of being a Mac user, or something like that. can someone confirm? -- Ludwigs2 18:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
On top of all new articles is the following:
Where can I comment about possible additions to template above new articles? Ikip ( talk) 12:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Why hasn't true GIF image scaling been turned back on? GIF thumbnails in Commons categories are grinding some computers to a halt.
If certain types of animated GIFs are screwing up the MediaWiki software when it tries to scale them down, or to thumbnail them, then let's just ban or quarantine those particular animated gifs for awhile. I believe that is why true GIF thumbnailing was turned off.
Many images on the Commons were originally created in the GIF format, and we don't want to discourage people from uploading GIF graphics. Converting them to PNG would be a huge waste of time, too. There is no advantage to it because converting already-finalized images to other formats does not increase their quality. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 14:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, we've finally caught up with MediaWiki development code review and I'm pushing out an update to the live sites. This fixes a lot of little bugs, and hopefully doesn't cause introduce too many new ones. :)
As usual in addition to lots of offline and individual testing, we've done a quick environmental shakedown on http://test.wikipedia.org/ -- and as usual we can fully expect a few more issues to have cropped up. Don't be alarmed; just let us know here, in our bug tracker or on the tech IRC channels and we'll make sure they get diagnosed and fixed.
I'd also like to announce that we've started a blog for Wikimedia tech activity & MediaWiki development, in part because I want to make sure community members can easily follow what we're working on and give feedback before we push things out:
I'd very much like to make sure that we've got regular contacts among the various project communities who can help coordinate with us on features, bugs, and general thoughts which might affect some projects distinctly from others. -- brion ( talk) 13:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#.27Confirmed.27_usergroup. Cenarium ( talk) 17:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Now that Template:Editnotice load is transcluded in MediaWiki:Editnotice-0, after this discussion, if we had a magic word returning if the current page is in a given category, we could have per-category editnotices. But even if the magic word could be created, per-category editnotices may annoy users, would it be possible to have the option to hide it (simultaneously for all pages in the category) using an id, similarly to notices ? Cenarium ( talk) 18:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I have written a script (in response to this thread at the Help Desk) that allows you to hide pages from your watchlist. From the script's documentation that I just wrote, at Wikipedia:Hide Pages in Watchlist, what can do is: "For example, if you watch an article but do not want to see any of the edits made to the article's Talk page on your Watchlist, then you can hide just the Talk page without unwatching the article. To best understand how this script works, you should install it and try it out by following the instructions." So, feel free to check it out, and post on the documentation's talk page if you find any bugs. I'm guessing there are some people out there who might find this useful. I'm still working on it and making some tweaks, too, so it'll continue improving. Gary King ( talk) 22:03, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a warning, I 'upgraded' to the Beta and have lost the edit summary field. I'll have to figure out how to roll back now! dougweller ( talk) 09:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
your assessment of "the Prisoners Dilemma "does not give due credit to Wm D Hamilton pioneer in this field!
Call me crazy, but is this new?
(diff) (hist) . . Glenn Quagmire | 17:29 . . (+18) . . 86.20.232.82 (talk | block) [rollback]
See that pipe character between "Glenn Quagmire" and "17:29" ? I coulda sworn that wasn't there before. I will be first to stand up and say... DO NOT WANT ! – xeno ( talk) 21:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh what a mess. Try enabling "enhanced recent changes": now you get this:
20:52 Wicked (musical) (diff; hist) . . (-14) . . And1987 (talk | contribs | block) (→Productions) [rollback]
Note that the pipe between "diff" and "hist" has now become a semicolon: they're the same interface message!! Hence my change; I was in fact trying to restore the appearance that was in place before the recent code changes. Happy‑ melon 21:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
T20161 Happy‑ melon 12:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ Gnosticism}}, a template I have never edited (and I can not stress this enough), is fundamentally in need of redecorating. My feeble tests have all failed even though I think simply switching a few style bits or something would help exponentially. Would someone please add a border and maybe some contrasting background. I'm also concerned the print is rather small but maybe Gnostics and their supporters all have exceptional vision, so to speak. Any takers? -- Banjeboi 12:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I ask that the following nullet be added to the welcome templstes:
-- Ipatrol ( talk) 20:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Please see Håkon Wium Lie's latest post in the thread at WikiEN-l. This is a potentially wonderful upgrade to our html-table infoboxes.
(cross-posted from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes, where it might be best to coordinate action/discussion (or reply to the mailing list thread itself). Anywhere else I should crosspost/notify?) Thanks. -- Quiddity ( talk) 21:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
A change seems to have been made in the last day or two to the MediaWiki software which has had the following effect when trying to send a command to edit a page which is *not* a redlink:
This is utterly frustrating for me as I create a lot of pages which are based on other pages, and now have to manually remove the "redlink=1" from the link in order to jump from one page to another easily using the "address" bar in my Firefox (same would apply in IE). Is there any way this could be minorly tweaked so that if redlink=1 is attempted on a non-redlink page, that it is simply ignored, as it was before? Thanks Orderinchaos 23:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the correct behavior should be that links with only redlink=1 should go to view if the page exists, and edit if it doesn't. Redlinks wiki-wide should only contain "redlink=1", not an explicit "action=edit" parameter; and all urls with the "action=edit" should always go to the editpage. Thoughts? Happy‑ melon 10:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I have unified my login. I was under the impression that once I login to one wiki site I would automatically be logged into all other wiki sites. The Special:MergeAccount feature indicates that my login was successful and indeed unified for all the supported wiki sites. However, I'm having to actually login to each site. I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 and Internet Explorer 8. Has anyone using Vista and IE8 got this working properly?-- Techjourney ( talk) 05:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi.
There is something i would like you to help me with. There is this bot that put warnings about fair use violations on images, surely you all have crossed ways with one of his warnings sometime; The bot has been out of service for a while now and a lot of the thousands of warnings he put are about images that have already been erased and should be erased as well.
I asked one of the admins that participated in the block of the user that operated the bot about a way to find and/or delete these warnings, other that the manual way at least, and this section came up, so what do you think?. Could some bot or something take care of that, either erase the warnings that are no longer useful either because the image has been erased or because the proper fair use rationale has been added or just generate a list so i could do it manually.
I know is a little too much to ask but i`ll await an answer either here or in my talk page. Thanks in advance. Zidane tribal ( talk) 06:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree that a bot removing them could be too much, but a list of article talk pages that contain them would be ok, i don`t mind removing them manually, but without a list it would take forever, could a list be generated somehow? Zidane tribal ( talk) 17:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
(Sign) Well, at least now i see the magnitude of the task, i guess i`ll have to live with it and just remove them everytime i se them. At least now i `ll be able to hate the warnings more any time i see them. Thanks.
Zidane tribal (
talk) 23:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In category pages, I cann't see the buttons ("[+]") to expand secondary subcategories. These buttons appear beside primary subcategories, but when I expande the primary subcategories these buttons don't appear beside the secondary categories. For example, in Category:Algebra, if I click the button "[+]" that appears beside "Abstract algebra", then it expands and shows subcategories of Category:Abstract algebra, but without "[+]" buttons next to the secondary subcategories, as "Algebraic number theory", "Algebraic topology", etc. I cann't it either when I use " CategorytTree". Example:
I use Windows, with Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox. I have the same problem in other Wikimedia projects. Any idea to solve it? Thanks. HUB ( talk) 12:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
They show when you set the depth attribute greater than 2, but the same problem persists if you try to delve deeper. Ofcourcse, this is not practicat.:
ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 13:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
As I was wandering around Wikipedia I found the article Miscellaneous on which {{ Wi}} was put. The message of the template looks as expected after I log in, but if I log out it becomes like this:
“ | Wikipedia does not have an encyclopedia article for Miscellaneous. You may wish to read Wiktionary's entry on "[[Wiktionary:Special:Search/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]" instead. | ” |
I think the message should not change even for user who choose not to log in. Is it some kind of technical problem or I am just the only one got this problem? -- Quest for Truth ( talk) 17:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Special:PrefixIndex seems to be partly broken. It now behaves more like Special:AllPages.
To get the old kind of PrefixIndex search, where you only see the pages that start with what you search for, then you still can manually do a link like this: Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example
But if you use the search box at Special:PrefixIndex then it also lists pages later in the alphabetical order, more like Special:AllPages. Try going to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example and then click the [Go] button there and you'll see.
And when using the [Go] button it blanks the search field. Thus making it hard to then also search for instance for the "User talk:" pages with the same name.
-- David Göthberg ( talk) 20:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to remove the autoconfirmed flag? I know the abuse filter is in a position to do so - so I was wondering if that was possible as an admin. In one particular case I am looking at someone who has a load of deleted/reverted contributions which consist of testedits and minor graffiti - not bad enough to warrant a block but due to the break since the first editing s/he could fall under the radar if restarting activity for a third time. Agathoclea ( talk) 19:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed a very long reference section on 4 Minutes (Madonna song) and went ahead and split it into two columns. However, this had the unexpected effect of causing the infoboxes and categories from below the reflist template to be omitted from the article, as evident in the old version of the article (note, same diff-link as before). The version before my edit did not have this problem, and since all I changed was adding the two-column option to the reflist template, this must be what caused the problem. The problem is only present in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer (which doesn't show the two columns, though, but that is described in the template's infobox, so not surprising. - Lilac Soul ( talk • contribs • count) 07:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have asked a question at Wikipedia talk:Special:LongPages#All namespaces. -- IRP ☎ 20:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In discussing the benefits of doing hard redirects vs. soft redirects with a co-worker, it occurred to me that Wikipedia's (squid) cache servers are potentially wasting space in memory for what are essentially duplicate copies of pages. With soft redirects, for example, the squid servers need to keep a ~300K copy of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley and a ~300K copy of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Berkeley in memory (as well as other ~300K copies each of the other 47 redirects) whereas with hard redirects it would only need to keep one ~300K of the article and 48 much much smaller (hard) redirect URLs. Presumably the traffic to the "real" articles is higher than the "soft redirect" versions, and so not all of the "soft redirect" versions will end up being cached... but still, it seems like the performance capacity of the squid servers could be dramatically improved by switching from soft redirects to hard redirects. Thoughts? --
UC_Bill (
talk) 18:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I mean. I'm bringing it up here first, because it would represent a change to the behavior of redirects on the site, and that would presumably be of interest to many (non-developer) editors. Also, I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that the technical folk who run the site sometimes read the technical discussion on the site. -- UC_Bill ( talk) 18:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I propose we don't inject any such message. It could be done (for 99% of cases) by looking at the HTTP_REFERER (sic) environment variable... but since the whole point is to have the squid cache servers be able to handle the requests themselves (and since they're not able to inject messages into pages) it would end up being skipped in favor of the cached-with-no-injected-message version. That's a minor loss in functionality (some would consider it an improvement since the URL itself would change to the "correct" version.. something that has always annoyed me about the current setup) that results in a HUGE gain in server capacity (and thus performance, given fixed hardware resources.) -- UC_Bill ( talk) 23:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I hadn't thought about the usefulness of the "redirected from xxx" links in terms of easy access to the redirect itself. You wouldn't need to know the HTTP_REFERER variable (or rather, you should already know it because it's what you just typed into the browser, before being redirected) but you would need to know to put redirect=no in there, which is a pain.
As for the functionality of the squid cache servers, they would keep duplicate copies of each (regularly visited) redirect page... unless the Wikipedia sysadmins made some custom changes to the code (which they may very well have done.) As for the "cheapness" of non-HTTP redirects, they're cheap from the perspective of the PHP (Apache) servers, but are just as expensive as an actual article from the perspective of the Squid cache servers. Since some really high percentage of requests (over 3/4, last time I read anything about it) are handled by the squid cache servers and never even reach the PHP/Apache servers, I'd argue that it's the cache expense that matters — again, unless the devs have modified the code for the squid software. -- UC_Bill ( talk) 15:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's RAM, not disk space, and there are a lot more constraints on the amount of RAM that can be put into use in a physical server running the Squid cache software (not to mention the number of actual physical servers available, which are considerably more expensive than adding more disk.) I don't think there's any question (unless I'm wrong about how the squids handle non-HTTP redirects) that replacing non-HTTP redirects with HTTP redirects will result in a dramatic increase in cache capacity (and thus performance.) The question is how to resolve the various side effects of doing so (such as the extra hoops people would need to jump through to edit redirect pages themselves.) -- UC_Bill ( talk) 17:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
if(document.referrer){
if(document.referrer.split("http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/").length==2){ //Just making sure that referrer is valid wiki page
//remove the main part of the url from the referrer var, making it easier to compare:
var refer=document.referrer.split("http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/")[1//Just getting the name of the page without the stuff around the url. When actually implementing, it would be better to use wgServer instead of http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org
var nameOfReferrer=""
for(i=0;i<redirArray.length;i++){
if(refer==redirArrayi]){//Cross-referencing
nameOfReferrer=redirArrayi//If match, store name, and break out of loop
break;
}//endif
}//endfor
if(nameOfReferrer!=""){ //If the referrer is a redirecting page
document.write("Redirected from" + nameOfReferrer)//I didnt make this a link to the page, but it wouldn't be hard to
}//endif
}//endif
}//endif
ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 08:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Maybe there is already a list of redirects stored with the page. I suggest seeing the code of Special:WhatLinksHere, as it can distinguish between redirects. If the same code is implemented here, then you can see if document.referrer is a redirect or not. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 10:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, squid servers understand "hard" (HTTP) redirects just fine, and only need to store the URL that's being redirected to rather than a full copy of the page like they do now. It might be reasonable to include a list of redirects somewhere within some hidden form variables in a page, so they'd be easily accessible to client-side javascript without having to make a second request to get that information. Another nice side-effect of using HTTP redirects is that search engines are (usually) pretty smart about how they index redirects, so that you won't end up with multiple hits for the same page because of the variations in the article/redirect title. Of course, given the prominence of Wikipedia, the major search enginges should already be removing the duplicate entries resulting from Wikipedia's "internal" redirects... but they don't, and HTTP redirects are the standard way of dealing with that anyway, so it's probably still better to take that approach. -- UC_Bill ( talk) 21:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
To implement this, a change needs to made to index.php, in which if it finds a #REDIRECT tag in the diff, then it can take suitable action (Add an XML tag to the target page if a redirect tag was added, remove the XML if the tag was removed, and remove XML and put it on a different page if the target was changed) ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 06:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I just observed that, when I'm looking at a user's contributions, I have a tab labelled "User rights management" after the links for the user's userpage, talk page, etc., up in the top left corner just under "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I've been an admin since November 2007, but I'm confident that this wasn't available earlier today; do people who have been admins for a certain period of time get a few more rights? Or is this a new feature for all admins? I typed "user rights management" into the search feature (with quotes), telling it to look only at Wikipedia: pages, and I got absolutely nothing. Nyttend ( talk) 21:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
If you look at the HTML source of this template, you'll see that whitespace has been inserted between the "NavHead" DIV element and its children. This whitespace is rendered to the page (see here) and should be removed. SharkD ( talk) 00:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I just got edit conflicts 3 times in a row doing section edits on wp:Requested templates, when someone added something to a different section. not supposed to be the way that works, yah? did I just hit the jackpot on flukes, or is something odd going on? -- Ludwigs2 21:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I know that we now log on to all the wikis we have accounts with a single logon. But is there any way we can arrange the system so that we are notified of any new mail we might have in any of the wikis at the same time, passibly through the "you have new mail" bar, rather than having to bounce between them to see if anything new has happened? John Carter ( talk) 19:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying to create a series of inline image maps. However, successive image maps always appear on a new line. See here. Anyone know of a workaround? SharkD ( talk) 05:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
default [[example]]
setup for the link (a clickable image), just use a normal inline image and specify the |link=example
parameter that the devs bestowed upon us. If you actually want an image map inline, then you need to mess around with really hackish CSS involving mainly putting the entire paragraph within a special element. {{
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on wikiquote, there is an ad for ass pus productions. its visible here and i have upped a screenshot here. badmachine ( talk) 08:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been playing with tables : Duration of Copyright (UK), and want to replace the lilac background-color (sic) of a single cell, with a background-image. Does anyone know how to do it? -- ClemRutter ( talk) 09:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
This would only be okay for general use if there is some way to limit it to free images hosted on Commons. Floating text labels over a blank map would be one realistic example, though I know there are already more complicated ways to do this with z-index, etc. Perhaps we could come up with some kind of in-house syntax for using a background image in a div or table cell, which would be converted to
background-image: url(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Austria_location_map.svg/250px-Austria_location_map.svg.png)
for example. Seems like that would be simpler than mucking around with several super-imposed divs. — CharlotteWebb 18:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Did someone remove the [rollabck] links from the watchlist or these links weren't there in the first place? — SV 12:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I am using the categorytree extension at WP:DERM:CAT (see expandable tree on the left). However, although there have been no changes to the categorytree tag on that page recently, the tree now no longer expands past one level (see how the second level categories have no [+] next to them). What is the problem? kilbad ( talk) 13:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
See talk page entry. -- Yecril ( talk) 19:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
At Talk:Historicity of Jesus, the last few edits are invisible. Specifically, this set [11]. I can't figure out how to fix it, I managed to get a small bit to show but with my sig, so that was no good. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 21:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
The date linking and formatting poll is now open. All users are invited to participate. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 23:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Please could someone define the Wikipedia meaning of "stub article"? I created Fledgling Jason Steed yesterday and marked it as "start class," before nominating it at DYK. (It isn't massively long, but it does have 25 refs etc). However, another editor removed the start tag and marked it is a stub. I always thought a stub was just a few lines, or a couple of paragraphs at most...-- Beehold ( talk) 11:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC) (PS, I've also posted this at DYK discussion - as I wasn't sure which page to use).
Memory condition crashed the database master for English Wikipedia; we were down for about 25 minutes. All restarted and recovered now; others sites not affected. -- brion ( talk) 23:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Looks like a feature for saving as a draft (It won't be shown on the page, but while editing you have the choice to load from different drafts) is coming soon. It's been loaded onto testwiki: (1.15alpha (r48811)), where MW updates usually come a bit earlier. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 04:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes people use a public terminal, or they have mischievous over at their house. Some way or another the account of an otherwise good contributor falls into the hands of a childish vandal. More often than not the password is not compromised, but rather the user just left themselves logged in on an unattended computer.
I suggest a simple tool that will allow an admin to log out a user that is suddenly acting strange. The user can then simply log back in if they are the true user, but the usurper is left looking at a log in prompt. I am sure it would not be too difficult for the developers to create. What do people think? Chillum 17:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
To answer the original discussion, why not have a 'sleep' mode, in which you are logged in to all of the pages, and any unsaved work is kept frozen, but to resume you have to enter your password again. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 13:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
For the record you can change the e-mail address of an account without knowing the old password, then request a temporary password, then change the password with that. It only takes time. I am not sure but I think it can be done while blocked, you sure can't do it while logged off. Chillum 14:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Of course this means that anyone who compromises your e-mail account (which is most likely easier to crack) can easily get hold of your Wikipedia account by sending a temporary password to it. Then they can log in and remove your e-mail address from Special:Preferences to ensure that regaining access to your e-mail account (if possible) won't do you any good. — CharlotteWebb 16:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
When I start a clip, stop it, go to another page and then return, the clip re-starts without being asked. This is not a serious or even noticeable problem with silent movies like the one at Cnidaria, but is quite annoying with sound clips such as those at Grindcore - especially as there are 2 on the page and they both re-start. -- Philcha ( talk) 15:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Be happy you're not going to Marathi_phonology#Consonants That page has about 60 clips. ManishEarth Talk • Stalk 02:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Something I've run into recently and I'm not too sure where to take it up...
I've been having problems with file deletion for images. The upshot is that I cannot delete individual versions of the file. If I try to remove the next newest or older version, the entire page is deleted.
Any ideas what this may be or where I should be taking this up?
Thanks,
- J Greb ( talk) 18:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I am authoring a list of mainstream topics where dissenting opinions appear in the footnotes. Do I have any control over the footnote indices appearing in the main text? I would like to have all the footnote numbers of one dissentor appear in the same color. Any other change such as size, shape, or numeric range could also be used. Phil_burnstein ( talk) 20:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Why does it show "comment removed" in a user talk page? (See screenshot; I forgot which page it was.) Kimchi.sg ( talk) 08:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)