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Hi, I asked this question on the Wikipedia:Help desk, but did not get a reply. Not sure if it should go in the Policies section or not as it involves and unclear policy. My question: does a discussion on a Talk page have to be closed by an uninvolved third-party editor or can one of the editors involved in the discussion close it when it is clear that further discussion will be unproductive? It is not clear from Wikipedia:Closing discussions if it has to be an uninvolved editor. Also, if five editors are in agreement and one is not, does this count as a rough consensus WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS? I know consensus is not a head count, but I'm not sure if this is enough to assert a consensus. My apologies if this type of question is not appropriate for the Village pump. Thanks for your help. - Epinoia ( talk) 17:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay so I know it's a perennial proposal but I think it needs discussing again. I am against the censorship of wikipedia but I don't see how putting a warning at the top of the page limits the sharing of information. For example, I don't think that discussing rape in the Did You Know section on todays home page would be something a rape victim with PTSD would be happy to see. Putting a simple banner at the top would be easy; the creation of an article could come with the options to include graphic violence or sexual violence, similar to how Archive Of Our Own works, which is also community based website that is VERY AGAINST censorship. It is unfair to subject unsuspecting people to things they did not want to see, especially when it can cause mental health problems. In recent news (this is me recalling a news report from BBC radio 3 this morning), police are getting more aggressive with making websites admit their responsibility in mental health cases that cause serious harm or death. I understand it would never be Wikipedia's intention to encourage these behaviours, but with the unpredictable nature of mental health, I think it would be a good way of protecting the website too from criticism or legal action. Zantarctica ( talk) 12:10, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
On 5 December last year I wrote:
"Our longest pages are, presently:
and we have more than 500 articles that are over 300,000 bytes. That is far too big."
I am grateful to colleagues who have assisted me in subdividing many of the above articles. The "top 20" is now:
There are again discussion on the talk pages of several of those listed above, and sometimes sadly editing disputes where splits have been reverted. As always additional input is welcome.
@ Thincat, Jayron32, and GreenC: who commented in December. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:28, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
What is the longest a redirect has not been edited. For example: the redirect from Tomato ketchup to Ketchup has not been edited since 2004. Are there any more redirects that have not been edited since 2003, 2002, or even 2001? Mstrojny ( talk) 22:17, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template messages#Can you update the date? -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 12:10, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I am Pellegrino Prevete, aka Ogoorcs and I am proud to officially announce the alpha version (Q2122918) release of Daty ( Daty (Q60949478)), the native Wikidata editor I proposed at the Ideathon of itWikiCon 2018 (Q43527331), which aims to hugely simplify Wikidata UX for new and old advanced users.
During this first development month, as hoped, Daty has found approvals outside of wiki communities, too: the GNOME (Q44316) project has in fact accepted to host it on its development platform and the software has already been published on Flathub (Q43089335), the free software GNU/Linux app store in Flatpak (Q22661286) format.
Unfortunately I was not able to pack all planned features in this first release, although I hope that, trying it, you will agree that the work done has been adequate.
Set up sound foundations for the program was where it took longer than expected, i.e. make it work on all supported platforms and on all screen format factors. In fact at the time of writing Daty is one of the few responsive GTK (Q189464) applications and the only cross-platform one.
To calm down the potential storm of people fearing for vandalisms caused by a simpler editor, I must warn you that until an adequate revert tool for mass edits made with the program will be made available, Daty will browse the database *read-only*. At this time already it has been made so (not specifically in Daty) that only registered users will be able to edit entities.
Installer links are available for Microsoft Windows (64 bit) and GNU/Linux (all architectures).
You can read a more complete changelog on my blog; bug reports can be sent on the issues page.
If you use a Flathub-integrating distribution (Linux Mint, Endless OS and others), you can directly install the software from your graphical package manager. If your distribution preinstalls GNOME and GNOME Software (Q15968880), you will just need to open the *Activities* screen and search for "Daty", as seen in this picture.
In any case you can install flatpak on your distribution by visiting this page or follow the distro specific installation istructions on the Daty homepage.
If you already installed a previous flatpak of the software, I advice you to wait for the update of tomorrow (build already scheduled), because of a last-minute bug in the configuration directory permission settings which has been corrected this morning.
Since at this time Ubuntu has decided to support by default only the Snap (Q22908866) package format, you will not directly find the program in the software center. If there are enough requests though, I will make a snap version of Daty.
In any case deb (Q305976) packages will be made available in due time.
The software works on Mac, but since I do not own one I could not create the executable file. Again, if there are enough requests, we can find a way to solve this.
First of all I want to thank Wikimedia CH for trusting the idea; without them Daty would still be a mockup this day. I hope that the global community, as the Italian one already did at the ItWikiCon Ideathon, will see the impact and the usefulness of a native editor, to please advanced users and greet new ones.
Of course I have to thank the GNOME project, which accepted the project on its infrastructure, and its developers, volunteers and contributors, who saved me from many headaches this month and before. I think it is a really great community.
Ogoorcs ( talk) 01:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm a Dutch Wikipedia contributor and a few weeks ago, I bought an English book (online, in The Netherlands). The book is called The History of French Toys Advertisements 1975 - 1989 and it also exists in a French version. It shows old French ads, with extra information on several brands/subjects. I noticed the texts are copied and pasted from Wikipedia into the book. The text about Playmobil is the same as this old version, but without the last part about movies and videogames. I noticed because the text seemed unfit (on corgi, there are 19 pages of text and just 2 pages with a total of 5 ads), I recognized a part of the Playmobil Wikipedia page and the author did not remove all the references (Quoting: "Currently available themes in US[12] and UK[13} official online stores") and file names. In text about other brands/subjects, there are also references which aren't deleted. Is this legal, to copy and paste from Wikipedia to a book, without even referring to Wikipedia? I do not have the French version, so I don't know if that book is similar. The English book does not seem to have an editor, just an autor. With kind regards, ABPMAB ( talk) 10:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC).
Claiming 'All rights reserved' on CC content is definitely a copyright issue. No amount of disclaimers shield that fact. A cease and desist letter would hopefully be enough to get them to stop publication. Who is supposed to send the letter I don't know. Cesdeva (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
hi I use kiwix xowa bzreader wikitaxi to read Wikipedia offline do another software to read Wikipedia offline Amirh123 ( talk) 14:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I was curious to see what a certain Help Desk request was about, and I saw the vandalism here. One editor repeatedly vandalized, and yet there is a red link to the talk page. The same vandalism apparently took place with another name and, although that person was warned for other vandalism, there is no evidence of the worst offenses on the talk page. Shouldn't there be some evidence on the two talk pages?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
best site to see all wikis and see largest wikis Amirh123 ( talk) 06:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
I'd never seen or heard of Google Talk to Books. It seems pretty useful for Wikipedia purposes. It takes search to the next level, using AI to better find results that may not be in a keyword search. -- Green C 15:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
I am editing this list and would like some ideas about how do limit such a massive list. Thanks. Aurornisxui ( talk) 17:33, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
A recent Signpost News and notes piece about Wikipedia being blocked in Venezuela was met with some criticism and concern about how it chose to described Venezuela and its people:
"In Venezuela, the country with the largest oil reserves in the world and where the population is starving and forced to eat garbage, access to Wikipedia has been blocked."
Several editors, including a former member of The Signpost writing staff and myself, pointed out its insulting tone and inaccurate generalization about the Venezuelan people as it does not apply to "the population", but rather allegedly only a portion. Another editor was quick to point, "Yes, some Venezuelans have been forced into that awful position but there are also plenty of Americans who dumpster dive because they have no other access to food." A correction by inserting 'some' would marginally help in clarifying intent.
The Signpost writers have since defended the piece as POV [2] and Wikipedia article policies and guidelines do not apply [3] [4]. In contrast, WP:LBL applies to all of Wikipedia and states:
"It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that the material posted on Wikipedia is not defamatory. It is Wikipedia policy to delete libelous material when it has been identified."
The Signpost publishes its own content guideline which states, "Contributors should endeavor to avoid putting out material they know to be wrong or misleading." As The Signpost is published on Wikipedia in one of the namespaces, I would like to invite a community discussion about the limitations in which The Signpost may publish POV editorial. If an op-ed or editorial contains defamatory views, may the piece be published in The Signpost and therefore on Wikipedia? Are there limitations on the degree of severity such as racist views? Should the community be included in setting the content guidelines for The Signpost and respectively its enforcement? Mkdw talk 21:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Commenting in general and not on the specific case: Signpost articles can include content that wouldn't be suitable in a mainspace article. Much like essays and WP:DOF pages, they are not subject to article-space policies such as WP:NPOV, but they are subject to Wikipedia-wide policies like WP:NFCC. If anyone thinks there is an issue with a Signpost article, the same remedies that would be used for other Wikipedia-namespace pages can still be used (including revision deletion/ oversight if applicable, e.g. the hypothetical OUTING editorial). What further guidance or enforcement are you looking for? - Evad37 [ talk 10:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Venezuela in 2019 is not India in 1880, but still, if the watchdogs of the world's food security, Oxfam, FAO, MSF, World Food Organization have said nothing, or next to nothing, about starvation in Venezuela, then, more than likely, it is not starvation that they have there. Please don't use that word lightly. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)"The first effect of a drought is to diminish greatly, and at last to stop, all field labour, and to throw out of employment the great mass of people who live on the wages of labour. A similar effect is produced next upon the artisans, the small shop-keepers, and traders, first in villages and country towns, and later on in the larger towns also, by depriving them of their profits, which are mainly dependent on dealings with the least wealthy classes; and, lastly, all classes become less able to give charitable help to public beggars, and to support their dependents. Such of the agricultural classes as possess a proprietary interest in the land, or a valuable right of occupancy in it, do not require as a rule to be protected against starvation in time of famine unless the calamity is unusually severe and prolonged, as they generally are provided with stocks of food or money, or have credit with money-lenders. But those who, owning only a small plot of land, eke out by its profits their wages as labourers, and rack-rented tenants-at-will living almost from hand-to-mouth, are only a little way removed from the class of field-labourers; they possess no credit, and on them pressure soon begins."
Note: Cross-posting Mike Christie's notice from WT:FAC
Cross-posted by ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
I created Viva TV (IBC programming block) (now Draft:Viva TV (TV programming block)) in order to split off the thing about the former block broadcast on IBC from the Viva TV (Philippine TV channel) article (full-time linear TV channel launched in 2009). But since the new article don't cite any valid source, it's now moved to draft space. I'm looking for some reliable sources (especially news reports) about the block's launch and cancellation, in order to save the article from deletion, but Google searches yield no valid result. So I need some assistance from others.
Note that someone have suggested two YouTube clips ( clip 1, clip 2) as sources (see also this revision and another revision), but I don't think these are valid ones for citation. JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 11:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Anyone found something? JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 13:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Article Petar Blagojevich needs to be renamed in Petar Blagojević -- SrpskiAnonimac ( talk) 20:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
I launched a discussion in Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#"Please use Indian English" asking for specific guidance on how to conform to the standards for Indian English, there being no guidelines for how to do so. I was dogged, some said annoying; some said trolling. I was given Trinidadian English as an analog. There are all of nine articles marked in their talk pages as being in Trinidadian English. Certainly the two-island state has a distinctive patois, but it's not appropriate for encyclopedia articles. Ask a Trini. I am willing to bet that British English would be the recommended standard for an encyclopedia article. My suggestion here is not a perennial request to standardize spelling, Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Enforce American or British spelling, but a request to discuss why it is appropriate to make the distinction among twenty-one varieties of English when there are basically only two standards for expository English writing: with or without Oxford spelling, with or without the Oxford comma. Where numbers are concerned, there is already a standard: unless a number is part of a quotation, zeros should be grouped in threes and the decimal point is a full stop (period). Wherever this topic is discussed, an assertion is made that spelling may differ from both American English and British English and so may syntax. I haven't seen it. It just seems to me that this is a distinction without a difference. I am told that "Reality is more complex than that." It may be, but I am a simple person. I would like someone to explain to me how the entreaties to use one of twenty-one varieties of English without any instructions for how to do so are valuable to the encyclopedia. Rhadow ( talk) 02:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay, then. I have a proposal that think would pass muster by SMcCandlish. Their analysis at Wikipedia talk:Identifying and using style guides#Style guides from around the anglosphere is a great start. The section MOS:ENGVAR should be expanded slightly to recognize all twenty-one dialects of English. A search for WP:Indian English takes you there in any case, implicitly suggesting that the English language tree has two trunks, after which the specific branch you choose is relatively insignificant. In that way, we would not offend the proponents of a tag for every regional dialect. I suggest that for every dialect we construct a short guide whose model sounds like this:
Trinidadian English is a dialect of English stemming originally from British English, enriched by native, Spanish, and French influences. In spoken form, it is a rich patois. For encyclopedia articles, formal language rules apply. In the absence of a published style guide as exists for American, Canadian and U.K. lects, a British style guide, for example Hart's Rules, is a reference for WP editors. [1] The nation uses the metric system, therefore metric units are preferred, with conversions to other units as appropriate. The spelling standard is Oxford Spelling ( wp:EngvarB), although American spellings are common.
When twenty-one such paragraphs are published, it will become quite clear that the number is too high. In time then, the disused templates will become candidates for deletion. In my opinion, a gradual reduction in dialect templates is a better trend than the creation of a plethora. Any move to simplify the MOS and its templates in Wikipedia is a long-term plus.
A draft paragraph for Indian English follows. I searched for a style guide and did not find one, therefore the guidance is eerily similar to Trinidadian English.
Indian English is a dialect of English stemming originally from British English, enriched by native influences. In spoken form, it can vary substantially from its origin, including frequent use of the present continuous tense. For encyclopedia articles, formal language rules apply. In the absence of a published style guide as exists for American, Canadian and U.K. lects, a British style guide, for example Hart's Rules, is a reference for WP editors. [1] The spelling standard is Oxford Spelling ( wp:EngvarB). The nation uses the metric system, therefore metric units are preferred, but imperial measures (e.g. acres and miles) are common and conversions should be provided. India uses a numbering system including the crore and lakh which require a nonstandard grouping of zeros in large numbers. When quoting or paraphrasing, these terms are fine, although an editor is entreated to convert or explain these numbers for readers unfamiliar with the units.
That's my two cents. Rhadow ( talk) 13:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
References
This seems a lot like instructional WP:CREEP. There's established practice that exists at the respective WikiProjects already. Cesdeva (talk) 13:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
A template that says something like "Please write this article in Indian English" is an excuse, an invitation, to write informal, non- MOS:COMMONALITY-compliant "localese" full of colloquialisms, and we need to strongly discourage this.
As for Canadian, the major publications for Canadian English, including at least four style guides, and several dictionaries, are not actually in agreement with each other. CanEng is actually in flux, and even varies considerably by region and by age group. This stuff will probably not solidify for at least another generation, though we can be sure of a few things like theatre and colour being more common, but some Americanisms like program also being in more frequent use, along with North American terminology like trunk/hood/curb versus British boot/bonnet/kerb, meanwhile DMY versus MDY dates have a bit of a lead.
That is arguably enough to support Canadian English templates. We also know that American English forked sharply from the rest by the 1830; this is very well documented in great detail. We don't have any data like this at all establishing something like Belizean or South African English as syntactically and orthographically distinct enough from "British" (general Commonwealth) English to support retaining templates for them (much less creating more of them and bloating MoS with dubious lectures on how to write them "correctly"!). We only have silly templates for Indian and Scottish and Jamaican and so on English because of inappropriate nationalistic sentiment. Most of these should simply be redirected to {{
Use Commonwealth English}}
.
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SMcCandlish
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Any linguist will tell you that classifications like "Pakistani English", "Zimbabwean English", etc., are linguistic terms for spoken language patterns, and that written English is primarily determined by publishing houses (i.e., by commerce). We know for a fact that major publishers are not producing customized national-level style guides, but defaulting to those put out by Oxford, Cambridge, and popular Commonwealth-wide news publishers like the BBC and the Economist Group. Asserting that, at an encyclopedic level of formality, Indian and Scottish and Hong Kong and British English are distinct enough for Wikipedia to codify rules regarding them is patent nationalism and
original research.
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Rhadow This is the problem with people such as you, or your cohorts, who appear here from time to time, attempting to force their simplistic ideas on others. When you find that the picture is muddier, that linguistic research more fine grained and comprehensive than what your prejudices (such as the doozy "Any linguist will tell you that classifications like "Pakistani English", "Zimbabwean English", etc., are linguistic terms for spoken language patterns, ...) have fossilized into, you quit, mumbling, "national pride," "no one can enumerate," soon after I have given you a modern linguistics take on spoken and written Indian English. It is not my job to make a precis of Schilk's book. That is for you to find out by delving. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
{{
Use Indian English}}
tag applies to quotes and there is a guide, Schilk. It would have been so much easier to say that at the outset rather than lectures of of endonormative stabilization. Many thanks.
Rhadow (
talk) 20:23, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
{{
Indian English}}
or just bad writing:
Fowler&fowler's hypothesis about Indian English, its level of bifurcation, and what that might imply for Wikipedia is patent OR; it's opinion, an extrapolation from one single source (which has a much more limited context) to leap to conclusions that F&f favors. If it were actually true that Indian English were a solidified, codified dialect at the written level, we would see overwhelming evidence of this, in the form of Indian English dictionaries, Indian English style guides, and similar works, but nearly zero of them exist, and actually zero from reputable publishers. Meanwhile, the "British" (general Commonwealth) English works of this sort from Oxford, Cambridge, and other high-end British publishers are the standard English-language reference works among anglophones in India (and in Hong Kong, and insert 100+ other places).
Worse yet for the fantasy that Indian English is a formal written dialect, we know for a fact that Indian English varies regionally more than any other alleged "national dialect", due to the strong influence of radically different indigenous languages (most of which are the first languages of the majority of anglophones in India), which are often not even in the same language families, and which thus produce radically different influences on the "flavor" of local English around India.
In short, do not confuse either a) well-documented trends in spoken English usage in India, or b) undocumented but observable trends in Indian journalism, blogging, and other informal writing in English, with something very, very different: c) formal, academic English as used in encyclopedia writing. What's going on here is a sore confusion and commingling of Indian pride and "Indian English is real" sentiment (which is correct with regard to spoken usage, though there is not one, consistent dialect, but a broad continuum, probably better thought of as Hindi English, etc., by languages of influence), versus what we need to actually focus on here: is there a codified, standardized Indian English that differs enough from British and other Englishes that we need to have huge, gloating banner templates about it? The answer to the latter question is obviously "no". There's simply no evidence in favor of such a notion. The sources that would demonstrate it (high-quality reference works on using formal Indian English) simply do not exist. Tellingly, the editors of the
Oxford English Dictionary have a more prosaic take on the matter
[5], and have sum up Indian English as about 70 words (loan words) common in Indian English to include in the online OED. By this measure,
New Mexican English has at least as strong a claim to "banner advertising" on Wikipedia, since even more regionally distinct words (from Spanish and from Native American languages) are found in that regional dialect. Similar stories will be found for Australian English and for every variety of African English, and Hong Kong and Sinaporean English, and all the Caribbean Englishes. They all have one really important thing in common with Indian English: they are vernaculars, and do not exist as defined, separate formal written Englishes codified as a rule-set by any reliable sources.
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There's probably more distinction between the everyday English of Scotland and that of England than between the Queen's English and Indian English (because Scottish English is actually an amalgam of English and Scots, a closely related derivative of Anglo-Saxon, plus Gaelic loans, and going back to emergence of Middle English, while Indian English is mostly much later England-English with inconsistent loanwords from Indian languages). But we don't need templates for Scottish English, either. Encyclopedic Scottish English isn't reliably distinguishable from that written by someone from London, or Melbourne or (as a native speaker) New Delhi.
Lastly, no one said anything about "mandates". Despite all I've said, you continue to approach this from a national-pride and nationalism perspective. Your "BrE no longer has any mandate on deciding ..." stuff is a straw man (and provably wrong anyay, since Britsh reference works on English are the go-to reference works on the language also in India, Australia, South Africa, etc.). No amount of observation of colloquial talk is ever going to change that. The only thing that will change is major publishers in India putting out competing reference works, and them diverging from British/Commonwealth English, and doing so consistently. Whether you understand it or not there's an all-important gulf between colloquial Indian English dialect (which is well-attested) versus an utter lack of any evidence that such a dialect exists as a formal, written dialect the way American English does. India has had no Noah Webster (or any modern organization serving a similar orthography-forking role).
I'm not likely to respond again, because this side discussion has turned utterly circular, and no amount of handwaving is ever going to wave away the fact that there are no reliable sources establishing Indian English as a distinct variety of written, formal-
register English. The best anyone can muster is observation that it exists as a spoken dialect continuum, and that (like all varieties of English down to a local level), in written form it can optionally invoke various colloquialisms that won't be understood by outsiders. Nothing unusual about this. Nothing Wikipedia needs to make special allowances for.
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I am trying to comply with {{
Use Indian English}}
}. Should I refer to a pedestrian overpass as an "overbridge," "over bridge," "foot-over bridge," or what?
Rhadow (
talk) 00:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
If you allow me this self promotion, I want to say here that the piece I just wrote in The Conversation about Olivia Colman's issues with Wikipedia is based on fact-checking made by Wikipedians that dig through the entire history of her page, and that the paper is a tribute to them. It says a lot about how Wikipedia is still regarded in the media in 2019, and how journalists should instead take fact-checking lessons from it. More details about the story at Colman's talk page. Comments welcome (if constructive!) Alexandre Hocquet ( talk) 00:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Persononthinternet ( talk) 01:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I want everyone to have a look at this video from Crash Course (YouTube), hosted by John Green. I think they have done a great job educating readers how to effectively utilize the medium. Let me know your thoughts. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 15:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedia-Community,
I am Robert Wintermeyer, and I am a student at the university of cologne. I am conducting a research in various social media platforms including collaborative projects for my master thesis. The purpose of this research is to gather information on the community guidelines and their acceptance by the user. For that reason, I am conducting surveys that take about 10-15 minutes. If you are willing to participate, our survey will ask you about your opinion towards the community guidelines of Wikipedia. There are no foreseeable risks nor benefits to you associated with this project. All responses are confidential. Your participation is voluntarily, and you can ask me if you have any questions. The participation offers an OPTIONAL chance of a 10€ (~11$) Amazon voucher.
I already approached the community before I started with my survey. The links to the discussions are
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Survey regarding the community guidelines for my master thesis and
Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 January 24#Survey regarding the community guidelines for my master thesis.
Since a lot of research that is relevant for my master thesis focuses on Wikipedia it would be great to have a good sample to evaluate. The survey ends on the first of March.
The following link goes to the Wikipedia EN survey which is hosted on google forms:
Thank you very much for your time,
Robert Wintermeyer-- Rwinterm ( talk) 09:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
In Wikidata has been opened the RfC semi-protection to prevent vandalism on most used Items and I think it might be interesting for many of you. Thus I encourage to you to read and participate in the RfC and comment whatever you have in mind about this topic.
Thanks in advance for you attention!
Regards, Ivanhercaz ( Talk) 22:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
I wonder if it could be explained how United States support for ISIS would be indexed in Google in order to get access comfortably? Saff V. ( talk) 11:46, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello,
A few months ago we mentioned a change that was coming to how certain templates appear on mobile web. I just wanted to drop a note that this change is now in effect here on English Wikipedia. This is the result of a request from 2016 to better display templates on mobile. As you may be aware, since early 2018 mobile traffic counts for the majority of traffic on English Wikipedia (and more than twice as many unique devices access the mobile site over the desktop site), so making templates present on mobile is important.
We've deployed this update to all other wikis and ran A/B tests to measure the impact (Summary: Users interact with the new treatment more frequently than the old. They interact with higher-severity issues more than than lower-severity issues. The new design does not cause more frequent edits).
For template editors, we have some recommendations on how to make templates that are mobile-friendly and further documentation on our work so far.
If you have questions about formatting templates for mobile, please leave a note on the project talk page or file a task in Phabricator and we can help.
Yours, CKoerner (WMF) ( talk) 18:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation is planning a global consultation about communication. The goal is to bring Wikimedians and wiki-minded people together to improve tools for communication.
We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis, whatever their experience, their skills or their devices.
We are looking for input from as many different parts of the Wikimedia community as possible. It will come from multiple projects, in multiple languages, and with multiple perspectives.
We are currently planning the consultation. We need your help.
We need volunteers to help talk to their communities or user groups.
You can help by hosting a discussion at your wiki. Here's what to do:
You can also help build the list of the many different ways people talk to each other.
Not all groups active on wikis or around wikis use the same way to discuss things: it can happen on wiki, on social networks, through external tools... Tell us how your group communicates.
You can read more about the overall process on mediawiki.org. If you have questions or ideas, you can leave feedback about the consultation process in the language you prefer.
Thank you! We're looking forward to talking with you.
Trizek (WMF) 15:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
This is just one example, but it is something that could happen with other search terms. I made a note several months ago about an article in an actual newspaper about "WALL-E" that I wanted to learn more about. I forgot to make a note about which newspaper figuring it would be easy enough to find the information, but every single Google result for "WALL-E" is about the movie or the character. Had I made a note about what it was about, I might have had better luck. Guessing which newspaper didn't help since a search of its web site didn't work, but another resource I could access this week gave me what I needed, and I made an improvement to a Wikipedia article and was able to link to it, after which I was reverted, along with a change that would work better. Well, maybe. It depends on whether a person would actually look at "See also". If you remember only that something else is called "WALL-E", Wikipedia is not very helpful at this point. Although maybe that is unlikely. Either the WALL-E article needs a hatnote or there needs to be a disambiguation page. Also see this discussion.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I was just wondering... does Wikipedia have a page where requests for deletion are made? Just curious, to vote on them and perhaps better understand the deletion policy.
I searched to try and find the page, but I couldn't. I'll try again.
Thanks.
--Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my contributions) 06:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation has invited the various Wikimedia communities, including the English Wikipedia, to participate in a consultation on improving communication methods within the Wikimedia projects. As such, a request for comment has been created at Wikipedia:Talk pages consultation 2019. All users are invited to express their views and to add new topics for discussion. (To keep discussion in one place, please don't reply to this comment.) Jc86035 ( talk) 14:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
It states there are 5,808,126 articles on Wikipedia, but that is outdated. I cannot edit the article so please fix it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
5,808,167 articles is the actual number — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
5,808,172 articles is the last number I checked — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:31, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
5,808,177 articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
What initiatives do we have in place to help Wikipedians build relationships? I often feel alone while editing, and I realized that social capital might encourage new users to stay and contribute more. Qzekrom ( talk) 18:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Pellegrino Prevete, aka Ogoorcs, here again to announce the release of the beta version of Daty, the native Wikidata editor that has already been mentioned here last month, which aims to simplify Wikidata user experience for new as for old users.
This month saw a rewrite of the open entities dialog, which first version was righteous found not much intuitive.
Filter search (i.e. graphical SPARQL queries) has been introduced, too, which usability is of course on you to test.
In fact, despite the improvements, the failure of many testers in using filters, brought me to write and integrate a little manual to the program which has been made available online for windows users.
In this version you will also find:
Editing has been disabled in this release, too. It will probably be activated in one of the march intermediate releases, just after refereces visualization will be completed.
I recently published the issue boards, which I am using as to-do manager. So, if you want to follow the work but you do not want to read the commit list you can read that.
I recommended current and future users to endorse the project at this page.
Installers are available for Microsoft Windows (64 bit) and GNU/Linux.
Complete release notes have been published on my website; bug reporting happens here.
I recently buyed a used mac which should arrive mid march, so the .app will probably be ready for the next release, barring unforeseen circumstances.
Ogoorcs ( talk) 23:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
A Signpost article which concerns personal pronouns has been put up for deletion. ☆ Bri ( talk) 05:22, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone! This is Isaac from WMF Research team. In a nutshell: We are planning to run a survey of Wikipedia readers as a follow up to two previous studies communicated on VP:EN ( previous post; previous post) on English Wikipedia and 13 other languages ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1812.00474). We expect no disruptions in the workflow of editors during this study. The Wikimedia Foundation Research team is continuing the project on understanding the motivations, needs, and backgrounds of the different populations of people that read Wikipedia. The current state of the project aims to improve our understanding of the diversity of readers as well as how the needs and experience of Wikipedia readers varies across different populations. Some more information about this research on the project page.
To be able to do this, we would like to pilot a survey asking readers about their motivation (using the three questions we have asked in the previous surveys) and demographics (age, gender, education, locale, native language as described on our project page). The plan is for the survey to go out around 2019-02-27, at first to just a few hundred randomly-sampled readers on English Wikipedia. Based on the outcome of the pilot, we will consider expanding to a larger sample of readers and more languages. We will keep this thread posted with changes if they occur, and we will update our project page. To follow the progress of the project and monitor our research results, please also look at this task. If you are interested to know more, or if you have any question, or any observation, please ping Isaac (WMF) or leave a comment on the project page. Thank you! -- Isaac (WMF) ( talk) 20:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have received a grant from WMF to support production of a
video tutorial regarding creating references with VisualEditor. I anticipate that the video will be published in March 2019. Depending on funding considerations, this tutorial might be published in both English and Spanish. If this tutorial is well received then I may produce additional tutorials in the future. If you would like to receive notifications on your talk page when drafts and finished products from this project are ready for review, then please sign up for the
project newsletter.
Regards, --
Pine
✉ 06:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
User talk:Bri
on the left and en.wikipedia.org
on the right. It's not like any other signup page I've used. ☆
Bri (
talk) 01:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I recently have been patrolling a certain editors new articles and have become aware that he/she is deliberately introducing errors into their articles. Is there some way we can intercept them and vet for errors before release into mainspace?-- Petebutt ( talk) 01:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
On March 29 th of 2019, the United Kingdom will be leaving the EU (unless the date is changed in the next few weeks.). I am posting this here because it would I think be reasonable for Wikipedians to figure out what articles would need to be updated as a priority in the days and weeks following this.
Also there are some maps (some of which are on Commmons) which would need to be updated to indicate that the UK was no longer member, whilst the Republic of Ireland remains one.
Is there a list of articles and media which would need to be updated if the March 29th date doesn't change? ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 16:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
today I received the following email:
What the heck? Did you ever see anything like this? If you find typos in the text, you can keep them (1:1 copypasted). Alfie ↑↓ © 15:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
This email is from scammer lauren@worldresearchernews.com -- more about it here and here. -- Green C 15:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I just tried to log in as usual and I get a flippin' captcha! Please forgive my vulgarity but SOD IT! I will not fart around with trash like that every time I want to log in. I care not whether this is a mobile thing or a test thing or the magic future to die for. I do not need this SHIT. I am outta here unless and until I can log in without morons pissing me off. Your problem is how to let me know when sanity finally prevails, if it ever does. Goodbye Wikipedia. Cheers 83.104.46.71 ( talk) 22:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC) (aka Steelpillow ( talk · contribs))
how to find new articles on each wiki by year example in 2019 43000 articles add in English Wikipedia or in 2019 70000 articles add in enwiktionary Amirh123 ( talk) 08:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Perusing the Taos, New Mexico article, I came across the sentence, "Taos was established c. 1615 as Don Fernando de Taos, following the Spanish conquest of the Indian Pueblo villages by Geneva Vigil."
Looking up Geneva Virgil on the internet, I think the article likely refers to a person living in Taos in 2008. An article in the Taos News, dated December 21, 2008, says that Geneva Vigil was thrown out of a Catholic girl's school for being pregnant and later completed her GED. The article contains an amusing photo of her blowing a bubble with bubble gum. Ms. Vigil looks like a fun person.
However, to my knowledge, a person named Geneva Vigil did not conquer Taos in 1615, and thus I deleted her name from the article. Her name had been added by IP no. 198.59.155.187 on April 26, 2012. Given that Wikipedia articles are republished widely, it seems possible that historians of the year 3000 will cite Geneva Vigil as the conqueror of Taos. She may become famous as a New World explorer. Congrats, Geneva!
Well, we can't be serious all the time. Smallchief ( talk) 13:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
I put Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images together ages ago and maintained it for years. I haven't got the time these days.
Is anyone interesting in repopulating it with good items? It gets a solid 60 page views a day, so could mean plenty of new articles over time. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm out of coffee, and I have a linguistic thing to do, so can one of you maybe write up a stub for Driffield, Gloucestershire? There's a bit of info on List of United Kingdom locations: Dr#Dr. Reason I'm asking is the unattractive redlinked hatnote on Driffield. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 16:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
There's a non-Wikipedia Wiki at https://drawdownwiki.info/ that I think is really important, and would like to make both better supported and more accessible. Unfortunately it'd practically dead; it is all but unsupported, the contents are out of date and it's a pain to try to access.
I do have login access to it, and can contact some facsimile of administration. However, I am an almost total neophyte to wiki administration. And I really don't even know who I should be asking about this.
I would appreciate help or guidance on a couple of things:
1. Would it be permitted and/or practical to import that Wiki into Wikipedia, to improve management? Setting aside for the moment 'how'.
2. Would doing so make the wiki more accessible for forum-style discussion as well as normal wiki-style updates?
I'd really appreciate any pointers or suggestions.
Thanks!
-- Ken
Wallewekw ( talk) 17:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
how to find how many articles about human or articles about taxon or movie in each Wikipedia example this link
but this link not updated Amirh123 ( talk) 15:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
best site to see archive of all sports compatations and all games and all players and all leagues SofaScore have many sports leagues but not archive of all leagues Amirh123 ( talk) 09:41, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
See Template talk:Aircraft specifications#this REALLY needs an example
This template's documentation amounts to "go ask".
That is not good enough. Something as easy as an infobox's templates should not require manual assistance. Please tell the members of this project to step up their game and not just design templates for their own use. Their templates must be sufficiently easy to use and sufficiently well-documented so to not create unnecessary obstacles to "anyone can edit wikipedia". Thanks CapnZapp ( talk) 10:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Ahab Ali and I am a blind IP user. I am tired of on my various IP addresses either being blocked for no inline citations for sources I find. So why not just do it, you ask. Well, there's a problem. When I post me a link in the citation thingy, i get a verification captcha thing. "But Ahab, just click the aduio option!" you say. Only, there's no audio option! you know, muc hlike the captchas from the late 2000's and early 2010's. I'm Tired of y'all guys always going at me because i didn't cite a source. I want to cite sources, I plan on it, and I wish I could, but with the captchas in their present system, I can't. Simple as that. "So what do we do Ahab?" you ask, well simple, put in a more modern system. I ask you guys, "It's 2019, not 2009, so why have a 2009 style captcha system?" "just create an account Ahab!" I have a hard time remembering all the passwords for my google, and other accounts. and I don't edit all that much, I'm only really active right now because I ketp getting pinged for not sourcing on various IP addresses around the world I edit from. I'm not saying get rid of your verification system, but rather, update it to have an audio option, this way I can listen to the thingy, enter it in, and boom! i'm on my merry way. thanks so much. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 09:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
It appears this has been going on for eons. Seriously if Wikipedia admins want citations then no problem, just make it possible for us to put them in. I get protecting against spam, but google has a better verification system, many other websites have a better verification system. Wikipedia however is stuck in 2007 for whatever reason. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
I am working hard in patrolling new pages. There is a huge backlog. I have begun to think the articles are all notable and non-notable Indians. I love Indians-a beautiful people I admire. I just am more motivated to review science topics. I skip over 50 articles to find the topics with which I am familiar. I honestly don't care if some obscure indian/pakistani/malaysian plumber makes it into the encyclopedia. Is there something wrong with me? (well, yes of course but I am referring to the prior statements.) Just looking for some chatter. Best Regards, Barbara ✐ ✉ 20:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
20:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Hello Wikimedians!
The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for free, full-access, accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for new accounts and research materials on the Library Card platform:
Many other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page, including Baylor University Press, Taylor & Francis, Cairn, Annual Reviews and Bloomsbury. You can request new partnerships on our Suggestions page.
Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
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The Wikipedia Library Team 17:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Could anybody help me out with this? Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 12:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at Syed Nabeel (playwright/director/actor) which has content and redirects to Syed Nabeel. Any idea what's happened ? Thanks GrahamHardy ( talk) 21:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
All this was done by the same user, so the pasting of the article text onto Syed Nabeel was (presumably) done by the original author, but the pasting (without mentioning in the edit summary where the text was copied from) made this less clear than it would have been if Syed Nabeel (playwright/director/actor) instead had been renamed by using the move function. -- Pipetricker ( talk) 10:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey guys, I'm leading a space at Wikimania 2019 in Stockholm on data science. I do not want it to be restrictive with a subset of artificial intelligence at all and want it to be as diverse and easy to approach as possible. I'm looking for co-leaders to organize the space with me and lead it in the event I cannot make it to the event. Here's a link to the proposal: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Draft/Data_Science_space . Any feedback, criticism and suggestion can be thrown my way. Or else, do you just want to present a subject related to this space? That's fine too, just apply when the call for submissions open and I'll get in touch with you. Do you think someone else is a good fit for this space? Do let them know! I'm available on my talk and email and suggestions on how my proposal can be improved here are all greatly appreciated. -- QEDK ( 後 ☕ 桜) 17:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
We performed some analysis of the data collected last October reflecting readers' interactions with references in English Wikipedia. Please find our first analysis of this data in our project page. This work is part of the "Citation Usage" research project, which aims to understand how Wikipedia readers interact with citations, and the role of external citations in Wikipedia reading. The analysis resulting from this project could inform the editor and tool developer communities about the usage (or not) of citations by Wikipedia readers.
After the second round of data collection, which ended on 2018-25-10, we have modified the code behind our instrumentation to address a number of bugs related to specific fields of the Schema, and we will start a second round of data collection next Thursday, March 21st. The structure is similar to last round of data collection: we will collect data that captures readers' (not logged-in users only) page views, as well as their interactions with references and footnotes. We will initially sample 1–15% of the traffic to validate the data quality, then turn at 100% sampling rate for a period of one month. All details can be found at this task.
To follow the progress of the project and monitor our research results, please also look at this task. If you are interested to know more, or if you have any question, or any observation, please ping me or leave a message on the project page! Miriam (WMF) ( talk) 16:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
{{
unreferenced}}
which is about 4%. But that list is incomplete so a double or more would be possible depending how you define "reference". That gets up to 10% easily. Then looking at pages that contain marginal references that may or may not count as a real reference, and stubs and list-of articles and set index pages and yeah could see 25%. --
Green
C 20:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)Hi all, thank you for your comments! I can confirm that ~25% of the pages have not standard references. The misunderstanding is on the definition of reference: we considered only the references used in the body of the article. For example, external links without a context in the text (i.e. [1]) are not included. Here some example of pages that are considered without references by this analysis:
Tizianopiccardi ( talk) 08:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
What's the point of restricting the size of non-free Scalable Vector Graphics files? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Although last year the German Federal Foreign Office issued a statement saying that Prime Minister Abiy and President Isaias "have shown that it is possible to move beyond long years of animosity and to open a new chapter in their relations" and that the declaration of peace and friendship signed by the two leaders 'provides grounds for hope that the conflict, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people, can be permanently resolved', [1] and the Pope stated "in the midst of so many conflicts, it's dutiful to point out an initiative that can be called historic", expressing hope that talks between the two nations would "turn on a light of hope for these two countries in the Horn of Africa and for the entire African continent", [2]
currently our lede characterizes the Ethiopian prime minister as having launched a wide programme of political and economic reforms which destabilized Ethiopia. Since Abiy came to power in April 2018, Ethiopia went into high number of ethnic-based beheadings, lynchings, rapes, lawlessness and barbaric murders; which led Ethiopia to be the country with the highest number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) in the world, for 2018 & 2019. [3] [4] As of February 2019, there are 3 million internally displaced persons in Ethiopia. [5] As international news medias reported on March 2019, Abiy's new administration is doing organised ethnic cleansing, and in some areas denying basic emergency food aid for displaced people in an effort to force them to return to their previous cities. He is doing this to glorify his new federal government administration's public image, and to avoid his administration being permanently associated with IDPs. However, these has led to a humanitarian crisis with children being malnourished & adults starving, since they are too afraid to go back from where they were displaced from, because of continued violence. [3]
References
Is some balance needed in our biography of an important political person still alive? -- BushelCandle ( talk) 09:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Happily, the opening section has now been reformed to be a fairer "executive summary" of the rest of the article and subsequently effective administrative action has been taken. -- BushelCandle ( talk) 02:31, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sorry if this is totally wrong section, as it probably is, but I didn't want to bother where I shouldn't. But feel free to direct me to something more appropriate.
Anyway, there is new class of enzymes in biochemistry. This change has been already reflected on the main page of
Enzyme Commission number, but this would require to change the numbers on pages of many enzymes. This would be probably best done by some bot.
Also, I changed the number on page of
ATP synthase (in the panel on right), but it doesn't work. It's been a while since I was working on Wiki (and on Czech one mostly), but if I remember correctly, that panel on right has some page of it's own that should be editable?
Thanks
--
HlTo CZ (
talk) 15:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The panel on the right is Template:Infobox enzyme. You can try its talk page or the WikiProject Molecular and Cell Biology talk page. (By the way, the parameter IUBMB_EC_number isn't used by that template anymore.) See also Template:EC number. -- Pipetricker ( talk) 19:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
On one Wikipedia page I searched from upper right search box for "constitution of the united states.' The autofill suggestions made me type all the way into 'united' before it brought the United States into play. This site should know if its users are based here in the US vs elsewhere and provide its user's country first under certain searches, especially searches which are clearly tied predominantly to a user's country's history. And it's not about the number of keystrokes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.208.172 ( talk) 14:24, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey that was rude, the author was just trying to make Wikipedia a better place. Do you think your comments here really do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Government Man ( talk • contribs) 14:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I've written a few sentences about essays below. This isn't an RfC, although I would appreciate feedback on whether this is valid or if I'm a bit out of my depth.
Wikipedia:The value of essays basically states that it's impossible to determine the value of a given essay, even if all essays are supposed to have some sort of purpose. There are at least 1,959 self-described essays in Category:Wikipedia essays (although some are not actually essays).
Should essays be actively curated by the community in order to reduce the amount of required reading for someone aiming to actually understand the culture/hive mind? 2,000 essays is probably overkill, and the massive number of forgotten essays probably diminishes the perceived value of more important essays.
Jc86035 ( talk) 16:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
At 2019-03-22T01:06:49Z, EmausBot (operated by Emaus) performed revision 888888888 on the English Wikipedia – a perfectly mundane double-redirect fix to Oxford High School (Oxford). Let's hear it for the WP:GNOMES!
Runners up were:
{{
Lehigh Valley Phantoms roster}}
See you all again at 999999999 (about 2 years if edits continue at the same rate as the last week). —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 01:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I've just started making repairs at Category:Pages with broken reference names. I don't understand how people make changes without see if it works probably.
Really strange things are fairly infrequent. Yesterday I had trouble with Ateneo Lady Eagles Volleyball Team. It transcludes a chunk from {{#section-h:Ateneo Blue Eagles|Ateneo Lady Eagles Volleyball Team Pool}}. But before it had {{#section:Ateneo Blue Eagles|Ateneo Lady Eagles Volleyball Team Pool}}. I don't know #section is but made the page absolute terrible. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ateneo_Lady_Eagles_Volleyball_Team&oldid=886750924 Who could not see it was wrong.
Another one was Windows XP now and before https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Windows_XP&oldid=886364097#System_requirements
However, there is another kind of mistake which could be bad in the wrong hands. Basically, many different infoboxes, e.g. {{ Infobox Wrestling event}}, can have unknown parameters, and they can be swallowed nothing happens. E.g. WrestleMania 34:
It's not good here, but not bad either.
But something sinister, see White Eagles (paramilitary). {{ Infobox military unit}} there were pseudo-parameter:
ideology = |
---|
| ideology = {{plainlist| * [[Ultranationalism|Turkish ultranationalism]] * [[Neo-fascism]]<ref>[https://www.politico.eu/article/turkish-grey-wolves-target-chinese/ Turkish Grey Wolves target ‘Chinese’]. ''POLITICO''. Authors - Aykan Erdemir and Merve Tahiroglu. Published 30 July 2015. Retrieved 22 April 2018.</ref><ref>[https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/grey-wolves Grey Wolves]. ''Terrorism Research & Analysis Consortium''. Retrieved 22 April 2018.</ref><ref>[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11824202/Adriana-Lima-tricked-into-flashing-neo-Fascist-symbol.html Adriana Lima 'tricked into flashing neo-Fascist symbol']. ''The Telegraph''. Author - Louisa Loveluck. Published 25 August 2015. Retrieved 22 April 2018.</ref> * [[Pan-Turkism]] and [[Turanism]]<ref name="Hunter"/><ref name="Østergaard"/> * [[Anti-Armenian sentiment]]<ref name=spiegel>{{cite web|first=Renate|last=Flottau|url=http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,580422,00.html|title=Albania's House at the End of the World: Family Denies Organ Harvesting Allegations|work=Der Spiegel|date=22 September 2008|accessdate=4 August 2012}}</ref> * [[Anti-Greek sentiment]]<ref name="spiegel"/> * [[Anti-Kurdish sentiment]]<ref name="Østergaard"/><ref>{{cite news|last1=Humer|first1=Stephan|title=Turkish elections: Turkey's Kurd-hating Grey Wolves spreading neo-nazi poison across Europe|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkish-elections-turkeys-kurd-hating-grey-wolves-spreading-neo-nazi-poison-across-europe-1504725|work=[[International Business Times]]|date=5 June 2015}}</ref><ref name="lefigaro"/><ref name="2013 report"/> * [[Anti-communism]]<ref name="Atkins"/><ref name="crisisgroup"/>}} |
Obviously (?) now the messages are harmless, but what I'm saying is that there should be better control of non-parameters. The easiest way would be for the 'publish changes' button to be "greyed out".
Other places which allow the same sort of thing, to me is {{
reflist}}.
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Talk about confusing (
talk •
contribs) 07:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hoo-boy, yeah...two (yes two!) hot-button issues on Wikipedia... Infoboxes! and the Syrian Civil War! Anyway,...
Take a look at
Syrian Civil War with its associated
Template:Syrian Civil War infobox.... I have tried to discuss the size of the infobox as it relates to the article, I
edited it down at one point in time to not be as long, though I was unable to adjust the width. It's causing readability issues for folks using mobile devices and it overwhelms the text. The editors who usually edit the article seem generally satisfied with the content of the infobox but...but...it's *so* huge. Wiki-codeing is not my strong suit so I thought it would be a good idea for some other editors to look it over, try to adjust the size in the Template's
sandbox and take a look at how the various versions - Template vs sandbox - look in its
testcases page.
I opened a
WP:RFC on
the talk page and the consensus was to reduce the size but the one version I came up with was reverted to its original form. I subsequently
posted in the talkpage about my edits and the size. Maybe some of you coding wizards around here can take a look at the situation and come up with a better solution than mine.
Shearonink (
talk) 00:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates needs more votes. Thanks, Yann ( talk) 17:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I've been on hiatus for the last 4 years. The usual method back then was to create the article in your userspace, then move it to main space and hope it doesn't get nominated for deletion. Is there now a better way to create an article where it's worked upon in neutral space and when there is a consensus it's then moved to mainspace and not likely to be deleted? I want to create an article on " aspirational recycling". Technophant ( talk) 16:32, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
I do not understand Wikipedia:Simple 2FA and once lost encrypted data using blowfish? I fear that I will get locked out if I do this 2FA thing. I have a really, really strong password, but just in case, can't I just email a few admins with a simple code word, so in case I get locked out, I can just email those admins again and say the code word to prove identity? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I have a suggestion concerning the 'random button' that presents random articles to read. Everytime I use that button a page shows up about a sleepy village with less than 100 inhabitants and where nothing ever happens, or a weird moth or other type of bug that is so rare and uninteresting that there are only 10 lines of information about it. I would like to suggest that the random pages that show up are pages of things (or people, places, etc) that have a minimum length and are pages that are frequently visited by people who are looking for information about that subject. Thank you. Stijn Adriaansen ( talk) 12:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
What happened here? Some spaces seem to be replaced by spaces of a different kind. After this edit, the items type and fatalities are no longer displayed in the infobox. -- FredTC ( talk) 07:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
or  
)
non-breaking spaces (NBSP), and those don't work as separators in template parameter assignments like regular spaces do, hence the disappearing items – same thing happens
if you replace those spaces with
. --
Pipetricker (
talk) 10:22, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I have copied the above to WP:Village pump (technical). Please make any technical comments there, and feel free to continue non-technical discussion here. -- Pipetricker ( talk) 15:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
There appears to be at least one utility which as a side effect of its function
converts encountered "raw" NBSPs to
when saving them. This doesn't stop them from breaking things if in the wrong place, but it makes them easier to spot and fix. --
Pipetricker (
talk) 16:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Co Media Lab and Design Beku are organising an editathon in support of Whose Knowledge's Visible Wiki Women campaign in Bangalore on 30th March, 2019. You will find all details of the event in the link below. Looking forward to participation from Bangalore Wikipedians.
-- Shobhasv ( talk) 15:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
A request for comment is underway at Talk:List of works by Leonardo da Vinci#RfC - Horse and Rider. The RfC addresses the following question:
All are invited to participate. SamHolt6 ( talk) 22:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
We have several templates that take a Wikidata ID ("QID") as a parameter; and those parameters don't have a standard name. For example:
|WD=
|eid=
|wikidata=
|QID=
|qid=
Can we rationalise these? QID or qid seem to be the most common. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
|qid=
as a standard to all templates that call wikidata from parameters. Most templates use all-lower-case parameter names, "QID" is the canonical name of the thing being requested, and "qid" is short and (relatively) easy to remember. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 12:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)|qid=
would be a good thing. --
Pipetricker (
talk) 08:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)|qid=Qxxx
as also done by {{
convert}} although it's rarely used and is intended for some infoboxes. An example from the documentation is {{convert|input=P2073|qid=Q1056131|km|abbr=on}}.
Johnuniq (
talk) 08:43, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Given the length of the list that is the redirect target, I'm thinking this may not be a notable publication, but I wanted to include it in Sad (disambiguation). I used a piped link for Sad!: Doonesbury in the Time of Trump but the actual title is #Sad!: Doonesbury in the Time of Trump. I'm thinking the publication is not notable enough for its own article, though there is this, which mentions the publication briefly. Due to the special nature of Garry Trudeau's satirizing of Donald Trump, perhaps I'm looking at adding some information to the Doonesbury article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
How does one start a new WikiProject, please? I have just had a look at several Wikipedia articles on Christian mystics, and looked to see whether they are of interest to a WikiProject called "WikiProject: Mysticism" but there does not appear to be a WikiProject of that name. It might be that we could have a task force in related WikiProjects, such as WikiProject Spirituality or WikiProject Religion. Vorbee ( talk) 17:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Probably a silly question, but is there a way to quickly find out which articles in a given category don't have images without having to manually check them one by one?
Thanks. Ixfd64 ( talk) 00:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have a problem with @ Srnec: and @ Joshua Jonathan:. First, I put the Template:Heathenry to the Germanic paganism article and user Srnec remove it with reason "modern stuff has nothing to do with ancient religion". So due to this rule, I removed Template:Hinduism from article historical Vedic religion and then it's restored by Joshua Jonathan, because he think that it doesn't have sense. So let me explain please: who of them are right? These templates should be included in this articles, or not? -- Wojsław Brożyna ( talk) 06:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Its practitioners model it on the pre-Christian belief systems adhered to by the Germanic peoples of Iron Age and Early Medieval Europe.
Hey. Not sure if this is the right place, apologies. I tripped over the article Insignia trilogy and the long-term editor in me had to be talked off the ledge. This is by far the worst example of allowing an entire book to be written as a plot summary I've seen for years. Possibly the absolute worst. I've no idea how to approach dealing with this article, or if I should. Please advise: is it our policy to slash these "summaries" or is it somehow accepted that books can have articles like this? Thanks. doktorb words deeds 01:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
10:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Are there any tools to look at a bit of fractured English and figure out if it's really a lack of fluency, or somebody faking poor grammar? Every so often, I'll ask somebody a question which I know they'd prefer not to answer (i.e., "Do you have a WP:COI"), and get back an answer in broken English. Often, I'll look at the response and think, "This person really does understand what I'm asking, they're just faking a language issue to avoid answering".
When a non-native English speaker messes up a sentence (easy to do; English spelling and grammar are total disasters), there's usually common mistakes based on what their first language is. For example, native Spanish speakers often misuse "in" and "on", since they're the same word in Spanish. It seems like it would be within the realm of current language recognition technology to look at a bit of broken English and say, "This is indicative of a native XXX speaker, based on the way they misuse YYY construction", or, "This doesn't look like anything expected from any non-native English speaker". Or even, "Given the existing samples of other stuff this person has written, they're grasp of English is probably better than they're letting on here"? -- RoySmith (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
This work by User:Michaelneurosx is too much detail (about postoperative pain) for the broad overview article, Pain. Presently, Postoperative pain is a redirect to Pain. I'd like to use Michael's contribution to start Postoperative pain as a stand-alone article. How best to attribute it to him. -- Anthonyhcole ( talk · contribs · email) 05:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
copy text from [[Pain]] by [[User:Michaelneurosx|Michaelneurosx]]
I made the following template to replace the horrible Wikipedia:List of newsletters.
It only includes active newsletters, as far as I could determine what they were. The small t links take you to Google translate for newsletters that are not in English. Inactive newsletters can be found by clicking "see all". 'RC' gives recent changes on the English Wikipedia for a quick review of what's new.
If you know of missing newsletters, please add them to this template. It's not the most well-designed of templates, so if you run into issues, just drop a message on the template's talk page and I'll update things accordingly. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 00:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Pigsonthewing, RexxS, Tom.Reding, and Lea Lacroix (WMDE): now that I think of it, this is something that would be very nice for Wikidata to have a category/structure on. I don't really know how things are categorized over there, but some structure could be
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With further substructure as warranted (e.g. language categories), individual newsletters categories, and so on. So something like Wikipedia:Bots/News/201808 would be found in
or something like it. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 16:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Please help translate to other languages.
how to find how many edits in wikidata in this year or last years Amirh123 ( talk) 10:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rockstone35/list of banned users. Johnuniq ( talk) 23:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering if there was any sort of clubs on Wikipedia, and if i could create on if i wanted to. The 2nd Red Guy ( talk) 21:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
There are WikiProject Groups - how do the clubs you have in mind differ from WikiProject Groups? Vorbee ( talk) 17:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Located here. petrarchan47 คุ ก 17:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, there's this user ( User:Aspects), who constantly deletes red-links from navigation boxes by referring to "per WP:NAV". Do we have a policy like this? -- Joseph ( talk) 20:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, I asked this question on the Wikipedia:Help desk, but did not get a reply. Not sure if it should go in the Policies section or not as it involves and unclear policy. My question: does a discussion on a Talk page have to be closed by an uninvolved third-party editor or can one of the editors involved in the discussion close it when it is clear that further discussion will be unproductive? It is not clear from Wikipedia:Closing discussions if it has to be an uninvolved editor. Also, if five editors are in agreement and one is not, does this count as a rough consensus WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS? I know consensus is not a head count, but I'm not sure if this is enough to assert a consensus. My apologies if this type of question is not appropriate for the Village pump. Thanks for your help. - Epinoia ( talk) 17:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay so I know it's a perennial proposal but I think it needs discussing again. I am against the censorship of wikipedia but I don't see how putting a warning at the top of the page limits the sharing of information. For example, I don't think that discussing rape in the Did You Know section on todays home page would be something a rape victim with PTSD would be happy to see. Putting a simple banner at the top would be easy; the creation of an article could come with the options to include graphic violence or sexual violence, similar to how Archive Of Our Own works, which is also community based website that is VERY AGAINST censorship. It is unfair to subject unsuspecting people to things they did not want to see, especially when it can cause mental health problems. In recent news (this is me recalling a news report from BBC radio 3 this morning), police are getting more aggressive with making websites admit their responsibility in mental health cases that cause serious harm or death. I understand it would never be Wikipedia's intention to encourage these behaviours, but with the unpredictable nature of mental health, I think it would be a good way of protecting the website too from criticism or legal action. Zantarctica ( talk) 12:10, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
On 5 December last year I wrote:
"Our longest pages are, presently:
and we have more than 500 articles that are over 300,000 bytes. That is far too big."
I am grateful to colleagues who have assisted me in subdividing many of the above articles. The "top 20" is now:
There are again discussion on the talk pages of several of those listed above, and sometimes sadly editing disputes where splits have been reverted. As always additional input is welcome.
@ Thincat, Jayron32, and GreenC: who commented in December. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:28, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
What is the longest a redirect has not been edited. For example: the redirect from Tomato ketchup to Ketchup has not been edited since 2004. Are there any more redirects that have not been edited since 2003, 2002, or even 2001? Mstrojny ( talk) 22:17, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template messages#Can you update the date? -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 12:10, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I am Pellegrino Prevete, aka Ogoorcs and I am proud to officially announce the alpha version (Q2122918) release of Daty ( Daty (Q60949478)), the native Wikidata editor I proposed at the Ideathon of itWikiCon 2018 (Q43527331), which aims to hugely simplify Wikidata UX for new and old advanced users.
During this first development month, as hoped, Daty has found approvals outside of wiki communities, too: the GNOME (Q44316) project has in fact accepted to host it on its development platform and the software has already been published on Flathub (Q43089335), the free software GNU/Linux app store in Flatpak (Q22661286) format.
Unfortunately I was not able to pack all planned features in this first release, although I hope that, trying it, you will agree that the work done has been adequate.
Set up sound foundations for the program was where it took longer than expected, i.e. make it work on all supported platforms and on all screen format factors. In fact at the time of writing Daty is one of the few responsive GTK (Q189464) applications and the only cross-platform one.
To calm down the potential storm of people fearing for vandalisms caused by a simpler editor, I must warn you that until an adequate revert tool for mass edits made with the program will be made available, Daty will browse the database *read-only*. At this time already it has been made so (not specifically in Daty) that only registered users will be able to edit entities.
Installer links are available for Microsoft Windows (64 bit) and GNU/Linux (all architectures).
You can read a more complete changelog on my blog; bug reports can be sent on the issues page.
If you use a Flathub-integrating distribution (Linux Mint, Endless OS and others), you can directly install the software from your graphical package manager. If your distribution preinstalls GNOME and GNOME Software (Q15968880), you will just need to open the *Activities* screen and search for "Daty", as seen in this picture.
In any case you can install flatpak on your distribution by visiting this page or follow the distro specific installation istructions on the Daty homepage.
If you already installed a previous flatpak of the software, I advice you to wait for the update of tomorrow (build already scheduled), because of a last-minute bug in the configuration directory permission settings which has been corrected this morning.
Since at this time Ubuntu has decided to support by default only the Snap (Q22908866) package format, you will not directly find the program in the software center. If there are enough requests though, I will make a snap version of Daty.
In any case deb (Q305976) packages will be made available in due time.
The software works on Mac, but since I do not own one I could not create the executable file. Again, if there are enough requests, we can find a way to solve this.
First of all I want to thank Wikimedia CH for trusting the idea; without them Daty would still be a mockup this day. I hope that the global community, as the Italian one already did at the ItWikiCon Ideathon, will see the impact and the usefulness of a native editor, to please advanced users and greet new ones.
Of course I have to thank the GNOME project, which accepted the project on its infrastructure, and its developers, volunteers and contributors, who saved me from many headaches this month and before. I think it is a really great community.
Ogoorcs ( talk) 01:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm a Dutch Wikipedia contributor and a few weeks ago, I bought an English book (online, in The Netherlands). The book is called The History of French Toys Advertisements 1975 - 1989 and it also exists in a French version. It shows old French ads, with extra information on several brands/subjects. I noticed the texts are copied and pasted from Wikipedia into the book. The text about Playmobil is the same as this old version, but without the last part about movies and videogames. I noticed because the text seemed unfit (on corgi, there are 19 pages of text and just 2 pages with a total of 5 ads), I recognized a part of the Playmobil Wikipedia page and the author did not remove all the references (Quoting: "Currently available themes in US[12] and UK[13} official online stores") and file names. In text about other brands/subjects, there are also references which aren't deleted. Is this legal, to copy and paste from Wikipedia to a book, without even referring to Wikipedia? I do not have the French version, so I don't know if that book is similar. The English book does not seem to have an editor, just an autor. With kind regards, ABPMAB ( talk) 10:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC).
Claiming 'All rights reserved' on CC content is definitely a copyright issue. No amount of disclaimers shield that fact. A cease and desist letter would hopefully be enough to get them to stop publication. Who is supposed to send the letter I don't know. Cesdeva (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
hi I use kiwix xowa bzreader wikitaxi to read Wikipedia offline do another software to read Wikipedia offline Amirh123 ( talk) 14:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I was curious to see what a certain Help Desk request was about, and I saw the vandalism here. One editor repeatedly vandalized, and yet there is a red link to the talk page. The same vandalism apparently took place with another name and, although that person was warned for other vandalism, there is no evidence of the worst offenses on the talk page. Shouldn't there be some evidence on the two talk pages?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
best site to see all wikis and see largest wikis Amirh123 ( talk) 06:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
I'd never seen or heard of Google Talk to Books. It seems pretty useful for Wikipedia purposes. It takes search to the next level, using AI to better find results that may not be in a keyword search. -- Green C 15:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
I am editing this list and would like some ideas about how do limit such a massive list. Thanks. Aurornisxui ( talk) 17:33, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
A recent Signpost News and notes piece about Wikipedia being blocked in Venezuela was met with some criticism and concern about how it chose to described Venezuela and its people:
"In Venezuela, the country with the largest oil reserves in the world and where the population is starving and forced to eat garbage, access to Wikipedia has been blocked."
Several editors, including a former member of The Signpost writing staff and myself, pointed out its insulting tone and inaccurate generalization about the Venezuelan people as it does not apply to "the population", but rather allegedly only a portion. Another editor was quick to point, "Yes, some Venezuelans have been forced into that awful position but there are also plenty of Americans who dumpster dive because they have no other access to food." A correction by inserting 'some' would marginally help in clarifying intent.
The Signpost writers have since defended the piece as POV [2] and Wikipedia article policies and guidelines do not apply [3] [4]. In contrast, WP:LBL applies to all of Wikipedia and states:
"It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that the material posted on Wikipedia is not defamatory. It is Wikipedia policy to delete libelous material when it has been identified."
The Signpost publishes its own content guideline which states, "Contributors should endeavor to avoid putting out material they know to be wrong or misleading." As The Signpost is published on Wikipedia in one of the namespaces, I would like to invite a community discussion about the limitations in which The Signpost may publish POV editorial. If an op-ed or editorial contains defamatory views, may the piece be published in The Signpost and therefore on Wikipedia? Are there limitations on the degree of severity such as racist views? Should the community be included in setting the content guidelines for The Signpost and respectively its enforcement? Mkdw talk 21:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Commenting in general and not on the specific case: Signpost articles can include content that wouldn't be suitable in a mainspace article. Much like essays and WP:DOF pages, they are not subject to article-space policies such as WP:NPOV, but they are subject to Wikipedia-wide policies like WP:NFCC. If anyone thinks there is an issue with a Signpost article, the same remedies that would be used for other Wikipedia-namespace pages can still be used (including revision deletion/ oversight if applicable, e.g. the hypothetical OUTING editorial). What further guidance or enforcement are you looking for? - Evad37 [ talk 10:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Venezuela in 2019 is not India in 1880, but still, if the watchdogs of the world's food security, Oxfam, FAO, MSF, World Food Organization have said nothing, or next to nothing, about starvation in Venezuela, then, more than likely, it is not starvation that they have there. Please don't use that word lightly. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)"The first effect of a drought is to diminish greatly, and at last to stop, all field labour, and to throw out of employment the great mass of people who live on the wages of labour. A similar effect is produced next upon the artisans, the small shop-keepers, and traders, first in villages and country towns, and later on in the larger towns also, by depriving them of their profits, which are mainly dependent on dealings with the least wealthy classes; and, lastly, all classes become less able to give charitable help to public beggars, and to support their dependents. Such of the agricultural classes as possess a proprietary interest in the land, or a valuable right of occupancy in it, do not require as a rule to be protected against starvation in time of famine unless the calamity is unusually severe and prolonged, as they generally are provided with stocks of food or money, or have credit with money-lenders. But those who, owning only a small plot of land, eke out by its profits their wages as labourers, and rack-rented tenants-at-will living almost from hand-to-mouth, are only a little way removed from the class of field-labourers; they possess no credit, and on them pressure soon begins."
Note: Cross-posting Mike Christie's notice from WT:FAC
Cross-posted by ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
I created Viva TV (IBC programming block) (now Draft:Viva TV (TV programming block)) in order to split off the thing about the former block broadcast on IBC from the Viva TV (Philippine TV channel) article (full-time linear TV channel launched in 2009). But since the new article don't cite any valid source, it's now moved to draft space. I'm looking for some reliable sources (especially news reports) about the block's launch and cancellation, in order to save the article from deletion, but Google searches yield no valid result. So I need some assistance from others.
Note that someone have suggested two YouTube clips ( clip 1, clip 2) as sources (see also this revision and another revision), but I don't think these are valid ones for citation. JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 11:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Anyone found something? JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 13:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Article Petar Blagojevich needs to be renamed in Petar Blagojević -- SrpskiAnonimac ( talk) 20:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
I launched a discussion in Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#"Please use Indian English" asking for specific guidance on how to conform to the standards for Indian English, there being no guidelines for how to do so. I was dogged, some said annoying; some said trolling. I was given Trinidadian English as an analog. There are all of nine articles marked in their talk pages as being in Trinidadian English. Certainly the two-island state has a distinctive patois, but it's not appropriate for encyclopedia articles. Ask a Trini. I am willing to bet that British English would be the recommended standard for an encyclopedia article. My suggestion here is not a perennial request to standardize spelling, Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Enforce American or British spelling, but a request to discuss why it is appropriate to make the distinction among twenty-one varieties of English when there are basically only two standards for expository English writing: with or without Oxford spelling, with or without the Oxford comma. Where numbers are concerned, there is already a standard: unless a number is part of a quotation, zeros should be grouped in threes and the decimal point is a full stop (period). Wherever this topic is discussed, an assertion is made that spelling may differ from both American English and British English and so may syntax. I haven't seen it. It just seems to me that this is a distinction without a difference. I am told that "Reality is more complex than that." It may be, but I am a simple person. I would like someone to explain to me how the entreaties to use one of twenty-one varieties of English without any instructions for how to do so are valuable to the encyclopedia. Rhadow ( talk) 02:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay, then. I have a proposal that think would pass muster by SMcCandlish. Their analysis at Wikipedia talk:Identifying and using style guides#Style guides from around the anglosphere is a great start. The section MOS:ENGVAR should be expanded slightly to recognize all twenty-one dialects of English. A search for WP:Indian English takes you there in any case, implicitly suggesting that the English language tree has two trunks, after which the specific branch you choose is relatively insignificant. In that way, we would not offend the proponents of a tag for every regional dialect. I suggest that for every dialect we construct a short guide whose model sounds like this:
Trinidadian English is a dialect of English stemming originally from British English, enriched by native, Spanish, and French influences. In spoken form, it is a rich patois. For encyclopedia articles, formal language rules apply. In the absence of a published style guide as exists for American, Canadian and U.K. lects, a British style guide, for example Hart's Rules, is a reference for WP editors. [1] The nation uses the metric system, therefore metric units are preferred, with conversions to other units as appropriate. The spelling standard is Oxford Spelling ( wp:EngvarB), although American spellings are common.
When twenty-one such paragraphs are published, it will become quite clear that the number is too high. In time then, the disused templates will become candidates for deletion. In my opinion, a gradual reduction in dialect templates is a better trend than the creation of a plethora. Any move to simplify the MOS and its templates in Wikipedia is a long-term plus.
A draft paragraph for Indian English follows. I searched for a style guide and did not find one, therefore the guidance is eerily similar to Trinidadian English.
Indian English is a dialect of English stemming originally from British English, enriched by native influences. In spoken form, it can vary substantially from its origin, including frequent use of the present continuous tense. For encyclopedia articles, formal language rules apply. In the absence of a published style guide as exists for American, Canadian and U.K. lects, a British style guide, for example Hart's Rules, is a reference for WP editors. [1] The spelling standard is Oxford Spelling ( wp:EngvarB). The nation uses the metric system, therefore metric units are preferred, but imperial measures (e.g. acres and miles) are common and conversions should be provided. India uses a numbering system including the crore and lakh which require a nonstandard grouping of zeros in large numbers. When quoting or paraphrasing, these terms are fine, although an editor is entreated to convert or explain these numbers for readers unfamiliar with the units.
That's my two cents. Rhadow ( talk) 13:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
References
This seems a lot like instructional WP:CREEP. There's established practice that exists at the respective WikiProjects already. Cesdeva (talk) 13:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
A template that says something like "Please write this article in Indian English" is an excuse, an invitation, to write informal, non- MOS:COMMONALITY-compliant "localese" full of colloquialisms, and we need to strongly discourage this.
As for Canadian, the major publications for Canadian English, including at least four style guides, and several dictionaries, are not actually in agreement with each other. CanEng is actually in flux, and even varies considerably by region and by age group. This stuff will probably not solidify for at least another generation, though we can be sure of a few things like theatre and colour being more common, but some Americanisms like program also being in more frequent use, along with North American terminology like trunk/hood/curb versus British boot/bonnet/kerb, meanwhile DMY versus MDY dates have a bit of a lead.
That is arguably enough to support Canadian English templates. We also know that American English forked sharply from the rest by the 1830; this is very well documented in great detail. We don't have any data like this at all establishing something like Belizean or South African English as syntactically and orthographically distinct enough from "British" (general Commonwealth) English to support retaining templates for them (much less creating more of them and bloating MoS with dubious lectures on how to write them "correctly"!). We only have silly templates for Indian and Scottish and Jamaican and so on English because of inappropriate nationalistic sentiment. Most of these should simply be redirected to {{
Use Commonwealth English}}
.
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Any linguist will tell you that classifications like "Pakistani English", "Zimbabwean English", etc., are linguistic terms for spoken language patterns, and that written English is primarily determined by publishing houses (i.e., by commerce). We know for a fact that major publishers are not producing customized national-level style guides, but defaulting to those put out by Oxford, Cambridge, and popular Commonwealth-wide news publishers like the BBC and the Economist Group. Asserting that, at an encyclopedic level of formality, Indian and Scottish and Hong Kong and British English are distinct enough for Wikipedia to codify rules regarding them is patent nationalism and
original research.
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Rhadow This is the problem with people such as you, or your cohorts, who appear here from time to time, attempting to force their simplistic ideas on others. When you find that the picture is muddier, that linguistic research more fine grained and comprehensive than what your prejudices (such as the doozy "Any linguist will tell you that classifications like "Pakistani English", "Zimbabwean English", etc., are linguistic terms for spoken language patterns, ...) have fossilized into, you quit, mumbling, "national pride," "no one can enumerate," soon after I have given you a modern linguistics take on spoken and written Indian English. It is not my job to make a precis of Schilk's book. That is for you to find out by delving. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
{{
Use Indian English}}
tag applies to quotes and there is a guide, Schilk. It would have been so much easier to say that at the outset rather than lectures of of endonormative stabilization. Many thanks.
Rhadow (
talk) 20:23, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
{{
Indian English}}
or just bad writing:
Fowler&fowler's hypothesis about Indian English, its level of bifurcation, and what that might imply for Wikipedia is patent OR; it's opinion, an extrapolation from one single source (which has a much more limited context) to leap to conclusions that F&f favors. If it were actually true that Indian English were a solidified, codified dialect at the written level, we would see overwhelming evidence of this, in the form of Indian English dictionaries, Indian English style guides, and similar works, but nearly zero of them exist, and actually zero from reputable publishers. Meanwhile, the "British" (general Commonwealth) English works of this sort from Oxford, Cambridge, and other high-end British publishers are the standard English-language reference works among anglophones in India (and in Hong Kong, and insert 100+ other places).
Worse yet for the fantasy that Indian English is a formal written dialect, we know for a fact that Indian English varies regionally more than any other alleged "national dialect", due to the strong influence of radically different indigenous languages (most of which are the first languages of the majority of anglophones in India), which are often not even in the same language families, and which thus produce radically different influences on the "flavor" of local English around India.
In short, do not confuse either a) well-documented trends in spoken English usage in India, or b) undocumented but observable trends in Indian journalism, blogging, and other informal writing in English, with something very, very different: c) formal, academic English as used in encyclopedia writing. What's going on here is a sore confusion and commingling of Indian pride and "Indian English is real" sentiment (which is correct with regard to spoken usage, though there is not one, consistent dialect, but a broad continuum, probably better thought of as Hindi English, etc., by languages of influence), versus what we need to actually focus on here: is there a codified, standardized Indian English that differs enough from British and other Englishes that we need to have huge, gloating banner templates about it? The answer to the latter question is obviously "no". There's simply no evidence in favor of such a notion. The sources that would demonstrate it (high-quality reference works on using formal Indian English) simply do not exist. Tellingly, the editors of the
Oxford English Dictionary have a more prosaic take on the matter
[5], and have sum up Indian English as about 70 words (loan words) common in Indian English to include in the online OED. By this measure,
New Mexican English has at least as strong a claim to "banner advertising" on Wikipedia, since even more regionally distinct words (from Spanish and from Native American languages) are found in that regional dialect. Similar stories will be found for Australian English and for every variety of African English, and Hong Kong and Sinaporean English, and all the Caribbean Englishes. They all have one really important thing in common with Indian English: they are vernaculars, and do not exist as defined, separate formal written Englishes codified as a rule-set by any reliable sources.
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There's probably more distinction between the everyday English of Scotland and that of England than between the Queen's English and Indian English (because Scottish English is actually an amalgam of English and Scots, a closely related derivative of Anglo-Saxon, plus Gaelic loans, and going back to emergence of Middle English, while Indian English is mostly much later England-English with inconsistent loanwords from Indian languages). But we don't need templates for Scottish English, either. Encyclopedic Scottish English isn't reliably distinguishable from that written by someone from London, or Melbourne or (as a native speaker) New Delhi.
Lastly, no one said anything about "mandates". Despite all I've said, you continue to approach this from a national-pride and nationalism perspective. Your "BrE no longer has any mandate on deciding ..." stuff is a straw man (and provably wrong anyay, since Britsh reference works on English are the go-to reference works on the language also in India, Australia, South Africa, etc.). No amount of observation of colloquial talk is ever going to change that. The only thing that will change is major publishers in India putting out competing reference works, and them diverging from British/Commonwealth English, and doing so consistently. Whether you understand it or not there's an all-important gulf between colloquial Indian English dialect (which is well-attested) versus an utter lack of any evidence that such a dialect exists as a formal, written dialect the way American English does. India has had no Noah Webster (or any modern organization serving a similar orthography-forking role).
I'm not likely to respond again, because this side discussion has turned utterly circular, and no amount of handwaving is ever going to wave away the fact that there are no reliable sources establishing Indian English as a distinct variety of written, formal-
register English. The best anyone can muster is observation that it exists as a spoken dialect continuum, and that (like all varieties of English down to a local level), in written form it can optionally invoke various colloquialisms that won't be understood by outsiders. Nothing unusual about this. Nothing Wikipedia needs to make special allowances for.
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SMcCandlish
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I am trying to comply with {{
Use Indian English}}
}. Should I refer to a pedestrian overpass as an "overbridge," "over bridge," "foot-over bridge," or what?
Rhadow (
talk) 00:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
If you allow me this self promotion, I want to say here that the piece I just wrote in The Conversation about Olivia Colman's issues with Wikipedia is based on fact-checking made by Wikipedians that dig through the entire history of her page, and that the paper is a tribute to them. It says a lot about how Wikipedia is still regarded in the media in 2019, and how journalists should instead take fact-checking lessons from it. More details about the story at Colman's talk page. Comments welcome (if constructive!) Alexandre Hocquet ( talk) 00:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Persononthinternet ( talk) 01:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I want everyone to have a look at this video from Crash Course (YouTube), hosted by John Green. I think they have done a great job educating readers how to effectively utilize the medium. Let me know your thoughts. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 15:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedia-Community,
I am Robert Wintermeyer, and I am a student at the university of cologne. I am conducting a research in various social media platforms including collaborative projects for my master thesis. The purpose of this research is to gather information on the community guidelines and their acceptance by the user. For that reason, I am conducting surveys that take about 10-15 minutes. If you are willing to participate, our survey will ask you about your opinion towards the community guidelines of Wikipedia. There are no foreseeable risks nor benefits to you associated with this project. All responses are confidential. Your participation is voluntarily, and you can ask me if you have any questions. The participation offers an OPTIONAL chance of a 10€ (~11$) Amazon voucher.
I already approached the community before I started with my survey. The links to the discussions are
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Survey regarding the community guidelines for my master thesis and
Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 January 24#Survey regarding the community guidelines for my master thesis.
Since a lot of research that is relevant for my master thesis focuses on Wikipedia it would be great to have a good sample to evaluate. The survey ends on the first of March.
The following link goes to the Wikipedia EN survey which is hosted on google forms:
Thank you very much for your time,
Robert Wintermeyer-- Rwinterm ( talk) 09:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
In Wikidata has been opened the RfC semi-protection to prevent vandalism on most used Items and I think it might be interesting for many of you. Thus I encourage to you to read and participate in the RfC and comment whatever you have in mind about this topic.
Thanks in advance for you attention!
Regards, Ivanhercaz ( Talk) 22:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
I wonder if it could be explained how United States support for ISIS would be indexed in Google in order to get access comfortably? Saff V. ( talk) 11:46, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello,
A few months ago we mentioned a change that was coming to how certain templates appear on mobile web. I just wanted to drop a note that this change is now in effect here on English Wikipedia. This is the result of a request from 2016 to better display templates on mobile. As you may be aware, since early 2018 mobile traffic counts for the majority of traffic on English Wikipedia (and more than twice as many unique devices access the mobile site over the desktop site), so making templates present on mobile is important.
We've deployed this update to all other wikis and ran A/B tests to measure the impact (Summary: Users interact with the new treatment more frequently than the old. They interact with higher-severity issues more than than lower-severity issues. The new design does not cause more frequent edits).
For template editors, we have some recommendations on how to make templates that are mobile-friendly and further documentation on our work so far.
If you have questions about formatting templates for mobile, please leave a note on the project talk page or file a task in Phabricator and we can help.
Yours, CKoerner (WMF) ( talk) 18:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation is planning a global consultation about communication. The goal is to bring Wikimedians and wiki-minded people together to improve tools for communication.
We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis, whatever their experience, their skills or their devices.
We are looking for input from as many different parts of the Wikimedia community as possible. It will come from multiple projects, in multiple languages, and with multiple perspectives.
We are currently planning the consultation. We need your help.
We need volunteers to help talk to their communities or user groups.
You can help by hosting a discussion at your wiki. Here's what to do:
You can also help build the list of the many different ways people talk to each other.
Not all groups active on wikis or around wikis use the same way to discuss things: it can happen on wiki, on social networks, through external tools... Tell us how your group communicates.
You can read more about the overall process on mediawiki.org. If you have questions or ideas, you can leave feedback about the consultation process in the language you prefer.
Thank you! We're looking forward to talking with you.
Trizek (WMF) 15:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
This is just one example, but it is something that could happen with other search terms. I made a note several months ago about an article in an actual newspaper about "WALL-E" that I wanted to learn more about. I forgot to make a note about which newspaper figuring it would be easy enough to find the information, but every single Google result for "WALL-E" is about the movie or the character. Had I made a note about what it was about, I might have had better luck. Guessing which newspaper didn't help since a search of its web site didn't work, but another resource I could access this week gave me what I needed, and I made an improvement to a Wikipedia article and was able to link to it, after which I was reverted, along with a change that would work better. Well, maybe. It depends on whether a person would actually look at "See also". If you remember only that something else is called "WALL-E", Wikipedia is not very helpful at this point. Although maybe that is unlikely. Either the WALL-E article needs a hatnote or there needs to be a disambiguation page. Also see this discussion.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I was just wondering... does Wikipedia have a page where requests for deletion are made? Just curious, to vote on them and perhaps better understand the deletion policy.
I searched to try and find the page, but I couldn't. I'll try again.
Thanks.
--Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my contributions) 06:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation has invited the various Wikimedia communities, including the English Wikipedia, to participate in a consultation on improving communication methods within the Wikimedia projects. As such, a request for comment has been created at Wikipedia:Talk pages consultation 2019. All users are invited to express their views and to add new topics for discussion. (To keep discussion in one place, please don't reply to this comment.) Jc86035 ( talk) 14:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
It states there are 5,808,126 articles on Wikipedia, but that is outdated. I cannot edit the article so please fix it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
5,808,167 articles is the actual number — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
5,808,172 articles is the last number I checked — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:31, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
5,808,177 articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac245 ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
What initiatives do we have in place to help Wikipedians build relationships? I often feel alone while editing, and I realized that social capital might encourage new users to stay and contribute more. Qzekrom ( talk) 18:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Pellegrino Prevete, aka Ogoorcs, here again to announce the release of the beta version of Daty, the native Wikidata editor that has already been mentioned here last month, which aims to simplify Wikidata user experience for new as for old users.
This month saw a rewrite of the open entities dialog, which first version was righteous found not much intuitive.
Filter search (i.e. graphical SPARQL queries) has been introduced, too, which usability is of course on you to test.
In fact, despite the improvements, the failure of many testers in using filters, brought me to write and integrate a little manual to the program which has been made available online for windows users.
In this version you will also find:
Editing has been disabled in this release, too. It will probably be activated in one of the march intermediate releases, just after refereces visualization will be completed.
I recently published the issue boards, which I am using as to-do manager. So, if you want to follow the work but you do not want to read the commit list you can read that.
I recommended current and future users to endorse the project at this page.
Installers are available for Microsoft Windows (64 bit) and GNU/Linux.
Complete release notes have been published on my website; bug reporting happens here.
I recently buyed a used mac which should arrive mid march, so the .app will probably be ready for the next release, barring unforeseen circumstances.
Ogoorcs ( talk) 23:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
A Signpost article which concerns personal pronouns has been put up for deletion. ☆ Bri ( talk) 05:22, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone! This is Isaac from WMF Research team. In a nutshell: We are planning to run a survey of Wikipedia readers as a follow up to two previous studies communicated on VP:EN ( previous post; previous post) on English Wikipedia and 13 other languages ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1812.00474). We expect no disruptions in the workflow of editors during this study. The Wikimedia Foundation Research team is continuing the project on understanding the motivations, needs, and backgrounds of the different populations of people that read Wikipedia. The current state of the project aims to improve our understanding of the diversity of readers as well as how the needs and experience of Wikipedia readers varies across different populations. Some more information about this research on the project page.
To be able to do this, we would like to pilot a survey asking readers about their motivation (using the three questions we have asked in the previous surveys) and demographics (age, gender, education, locale, native language as described on our project page). The plan is for the survey to go out around 2019-02-27, at first to just a few hundred randomly-sampled readers on English Wikipedia. Based on the outcome of the pilot, we will consider expanding to a larger sample of readers and more languages. We will keep this thread posted with changes if they occur, and we will update our project page. To follow the progress of the project and monitor our research results, please also look at this task. If you are interested to know more, or if you have any question, or any observation, please ping Isaac (WMF) or leave a comment on the project page. Thank you! -- Isaac (WMF) ( talk) 20:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have received a grant from WMF to support production of a
video tutorial regarding creating references with VisualEditor. I anticipate that the video will be published in March 2019. Depending on funding considerations, this tutorial might be published in both English and Spanish. If this tutorial is well received then I may produce additional tutorials in the future. If you would like to receive notifications on your talk page when drafts and finished products from this project are ready for review, then please sign up for the
project newsletter.
Regards, --
Pine
✉ 06:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
User talk:Bri
on the left and en.wikipedia.org
on the right. It's not like any other signup page I've used. ☆
Bri (
talk) 01:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I recently have been patrolling a certain editors new articles and have become aware that he/she is deliberately introducing errors into their articles. Is there some way we can intercept them and vet for errors before release into mainspace?-- Petebutt ( talk) 01:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
On March 29 th of 2019, the United Kingdom will be leaving the EU (unless the date is changed in the next few weeks.). I am posting this here because it would I think be reasonable for Wikipedians to figure out what articles would need to be updated as a priority in the days and weeks following this.
Also there are some maps (some of which are on Commmons) which would need to be updated to indicate that the UK was no longer member, whilst the Republic of Ireland remains one.
Is there a list of articles and media which would need to be updated if the March 29th date doesn't change? ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 16:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
today I received the following email:
What the heck? Did you ever see anything like this? If you find typos in the text, you can keep them (1:1 copypasted). Alfie ↑↓ © 15:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
This email is from scammer lauren@worldresearchernews.com -- more about it here and here. -- Green C 15:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I just tried to log in as usual and I get a flippin' captcha! Please forgive my vulgarity but SOD IT! I will not fart around with trash like that every time I want to log in. I care not whether this is a mobile thing or a test thing or the magic future to die for. I do not need this SHIT. I am outta here unless and until I can log in without morons pissing me off. Your problem is how to let me know when sanity finally prevails, if it ever does. Goodbye Wikipedia. Cheers 83.104.46.71 ( talk) 22:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC) (aka Steelpillow ( talk · contribs))
how to find new articles on each wiki by year example in 2019 43000 articles add in English Wikipedia or in 2019 70000 articles add in enwiktionary Amirh123 ( talk) 08:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Perusing the Taos, New Mexico article, I came across the sentence, "Taos was established c. 1615 as Don Fernando de Taos, following the Spanish conquest of the Indian Pueblo villages by Geneva Vigil."
Looking up Geneva Virgil on the internet, I think the article likely refers to a person living in Taos in 2008. An article in the Taos News, dated December 21, 2008, says that Geneva Vigil was thrown out of a Catholic girl's school for being pregnant and later completed her GED. The article contains an amusing photo of her blowing a bubble with bubble gum. Ms. Vigil looks like a fun person.
However, to my knowledge, a person named Geneva Vigil did not conquer Taos in 1615, and thus I deleted her name from the article. Her name had been added by IP no. 198.59.155.187 on April 26, 2012. Given that Wikipedia articles are republished widely, it seems possible that historians of the year 3000 will cite Geneva Vigil as the conqueror of Taos. She may become famous as a New World explorer. Congrats, Geneva!
Well, we can't be serious all the time. Smallchief ( talk) 13:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
I put Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images together ages ago and maintained it for years. I haven't got the time these days.
Is anyone interesting in repopulating it with good items? It gets a solid 60 page views a day, so could mean plenty of new articles over time. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm out of coffee, and I have a linguistic thing to do, so can one of you maybe write up a stub for Driffield, Gloucestershire? There's a bit of info on List of United Kingdom locations: Dr#Dr. Reason I'm asking is the unattractive redlinked hatnote on Driffield. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 16:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
There's a non-Wikipedia Wiki at https://drawdownwiki.info/ that I think is really important, and would like to make both better supported and more accessible. Unfortunately it'd practically dead; it is all but unsupported, the contents are out of date and it's a pain to try to access.
I do have login access to it, and can contact some facsimile of administration. However, I am an almost total neophyte to wiki administration. And I really don't even know who I should be asking about this.
I would appreciate help or guidance on a couple of things:
1. Would it be permitted and/or practical to import that Wiki into Wikipedia, to improve management? Setting aside for the moment 'how'.
2. Would doing so make the wiki more accessible for forum-style discussion as well as normal wiki-style updates?
I'd really appreciate any pointers or suggestions.
Thanks!
-- Ken
Wallewekw ( talk) 17:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
how to find how many articles about human or articles about taxon or movie in each Wikipedia example this link
but this link not updated Amirh123 ( talk) 15:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
best site to see archive of all sports compatations and all games and all players and all leagues SofaScore have many sports leagues but not archive of all leagues Amirh123 ( talk) 09:41, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
See Template talk:Aircraft specifications#this REALLY needs an example
This template's documentation amounts to "go ask".
That is not good enough. Something as easy as an infobox's templates should not require manual assistance. Please tell the members of this project to step up their game and not just design templates for their own use. Their templates must be sufficiently easy to use and sufficiently well-documented so to not create unnecessary obstacles to "anyone can edit wikipedia". Thanks CapnZapp ( talk) 10:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Ahab Ali and I am a blind IP user. I am tired of on my various IP addresses either being blocked for no inline citations for sources I find. So why not just do it, you ask. Well, there's a problem. When I post me a link in the citation thingy, i get a verification captcha thing. "But Ahab, just click the aduio option!" you say. Only, there's no audio option! you know, muc hlike the captchas from the late 2000's and early 2010's. I'm Tired of y'all guys always going at me because i didn't cite a source. I want to cite sources, I plan on it, and I wish I could, but with the captchas in their present system, I can't. Simple as that. "So what do we do Ahab?" you ask, well simple, put in a more modern system. I ask you guys, "It's 2019, not 2009, so why have a 2009 style captcha system?" "just create an account Ahab!" I have a hard time remembering all the passwords for my google, and other accounts. and I don't edit all that much, I'm only really active right now because I ketp getting pinged for not sourcing on various IP addresses around the world I edit from. I'm not saying get rid of your verification system, but rather, update it to have an audio option, this way I can listen to the thingy, enter it in, and boom! i'm on my merry way. thanks so much. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 09:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
It appears this has been going on for eons. Seriously if Wikipedia admins want citations then no problem, just make it possible for us to put them in. I get protecting against spam, but google has a better verification system, many other websites have a better verification system. Wikipedia however is stuck in 2007 for whatever reason. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
I am working hard in patrolling new pages. There is a huge backlog. I have begun to think the articles are all notable and non-notable Indians. I love Indians-a beautiful people I admire. I just am more motivated to review science topics. I skip over 50 articles to find the topics with which I am familiar. I honestly don't care if some obscure indian/pakistani/malaysian plumber makes it into the encyclopedia. Is there something wrong with me? (well, yes of course but I am referring to the prior statements.) Just looking for some chatter. Best Regards, Barbara ✐ ✉ 20:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
20:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Hello Wikimedians!
The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for free, full-access, accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for new accounts and research materials on the Library Card platform:
Many other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page, including Baylor University Press, Taylor & Francis, Cairn, Annual Reviews and Bloomsbury. You can request new partnerships on our Suggestions page.
Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
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The Wikipedia Library Team 17:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Could anybody help me out with this? Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 12:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at Syed Nabeel (playwright/director/actor) which has content and redirects to Syed Nabeel. Any idea what's happened ? Thanks GrahamHardy ( talk) 21:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
All this was done by the same user, so the pasting of the article text onto Syed Nabeel was (presumably) done by the original author, but the pasting (without mentioning in the edit summary where the text was copied from) made this less clear than it would have been if Syed Nabeel (playwright/director/actor) instead had been renamed by using the move function. -- Pipetricker ( talk) 10:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey guys, I'm leading a space at Wikimania 2019 in Stockholm on data science. I do not want it to be restrictive with a subset of artificial intelligence at all and want it to be as diverse and easy to approach as possible. I'm looking for co-leaders to organize the space with me and lead it in the event I cannot make it to the event. Here's a link to the proposal: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Draft/Data_Science_space . Any feedback, criticism and suggestion can be thrown my way. Or else, do you just want to present a subject related to this space? That's fine too, just apply when the call for submissions open and I'll get in touch with you. Do you think someone else is a good fit for this space? Do let them know! I'm available on my talk and email and suggestions on how my proposal can be improved here are all greatly appreciated. -- QEDK ( 後 ☕ 桜) 17:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
We performed some analysis of the data collected last October reflecting readers' interactions with references in English Wikipedia. Please find our first analysis of this data in our project page. This work is part of the "Citation Usage" research project, which aims to understand how Wikipedia readers interact with citations, and the role of external citations in Wikipedia reading. The analysis resulting from this project could inform the editor and tool developer communities about the usage (or not) of citations by Wikipedia readers.
After the second round of data collection, which ended on 2018-25-10, we have modified the code behind our instrumentation to address a number of bugs related to specific fields of the Schema, and we will start a second round of data collection next Thursday, March 21st. The structure is similar to last round of data collection: we will collect data that captures readers' (not logged-in users only) page views, as well as their interactions with references and footnotes. We will initially sample 1–15% of the traffic to validate the data quality, then turn at 100% sampling rate for a period of one month. All details can be found at this task.
To follow the progress of the project and monitor our research results, please also look at this task. If you are interested to know more, or if you have any question, or any observation, please ping me or leave a message on the project page! Miriam (WMF) ( talk) 16:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
{{
unreferenced}}
which is about 4%. But that list is incomplete so a double or more would be possible depending how you define "reference". That gets up to 10% easily. Then looking at pages that contain marginal references that may or may not count as a real reference, and stubs and list-of articles and set index pages and yeah could see 25%. --
Green
C 20:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)Hi all, thank you for your comments! I can confirm that ~25% of the pages have not standard references. The misunderstanding is on the definition of reference: we considered only the references used in the body of the article. For example, external links without a context in the text (i.e. [1]) are not included. Here some example of pages that are considered without references by this analysis:
Tizianopiccardi ( talk) 08:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
What's the point of restricting the size of non-free Scalable Vector Graphics files? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Although last year the German Federal Foreign Office issued a statement saying that Prime Minister Abiy and President Isaias "have shown that it is possible to move beyond long years of animosity and to open a new chapter in their relations" and that the declaration of peace and friendship signed by the two leaders 'provides grounds for hope that the conflict, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people, can be permanently resolved', [1] and the Pope stated "in the midst of so many conflicts, it's dutiful to point out an initiative that can be called historic", expressing hope that talks between the two nations would "turn on a light of hope for these two countries in the Horn of Africa and for the entire African continent", [2]
currently our lede characterizes the Ethiopian prime minister as having launched a wide programme of political and economic reforms which destabilized Ethiopia. Since Abiy came to power in April 2018, Ethiopia went into high number of ethnic-based beheadings, lynchings, rapes, lawlessness and barbaric murders; which led Ethiopia to be the country with the highest number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) in the world, for 2018 & 2019. [3] [4] As of February 2019, there are 3 million internally displaced persons in Ethiopia. [5] As international news medias reported on March 2019, Abiy's new administration is doing organised ethnic cleansing, and in some areas denying basic emergency food aid for displaced people in an effort to force them to return to their previous cities. He is doing this to glorify his new federal government administration's public image, and to avoid his administration being permanently associated with IDPs. However, these has led to a humanitarian crisis with children being malnourished & adults starving, since they are too afraid to go back from where they were displaced from, because of continued violence. [3]
References
Is some balance needed in our biography of an important political person still alive? -- BushelCandle ( talk) 09:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Happily, the opening section has now been reformed to be a fairer "executive summary" of the rest of the article and subsequently effective administrative action has been taken. -- BushelCandle ( talk) 02:31, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sorry if this is totally wrong section, as it probably is, but I didn't want to bother where I shouldn't. But feel free to direct me to something more appropriate.
Anyway, there is new class of enzymes in biochemistry. This change has been already reflected on the main page of
Enzyme Commission number, but this would require to change the numbers on pages of many enzymes. This would be probably best done by some bot.
Also, I changed the number on page of
ATP synthase (in the panel on right), but it doesn't work. It's been a while since I was working on Wiki (and on Czech one mostly), but if I remember correctly, that panel on right has some page of it's own that should be editable?
Thanks
--
HlTo CZ (
talk) 15:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The panel on the right is Template:Infobox enzyme. You can try its talk page or the WikiProject Molecular and Cell Biology talk page. (By the way, the parameter IUBMB_EC_number isn't used by that template anymore.) See also Template:EC number. -- Pipetricker ( talk) 19:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
On one Wikipedia page I searched from upper right search box for "constitution of the united states.' The autofill suggestions made me type all the way into 'united' before it brought the United States into play. This site should know if its users are based here in the US vs elsewhere and provide its user's country first under certain searches, especially searches which are clearly tied predominantly to a user's country's history. And it's not about the number of keystrokes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.208.172 ( talk) 14:24, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey that was rude, the author was just trying to make Wikipedia a better place. Do you think your comments here really do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Government Man ( talk • contribs) 14:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I've written a few sentences about essays below. This isn't an RfC, although I would appreciate feedback on whether this is valid or if I'm a bit out of my depth.
Wikipedia:The value of essays basically states that it's impossible to determine the value of a given essay, even if all essays are supposed to have some sort of purpose. There are at least 1,959 self-described essays in Category:Wikipedia essays (although some are not actually essays).
Should essays be actively curated by the community in order to reduce the amount of required reading for someone aiming to actually understand the culture/hive mind? 2,000 essays is probably overkill, and the massive number of forgotten essays probably diminishes the perceived value of more important essays.
Jc86035 ( talk) 16:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
At 2019-03-22T01:06:49Z, EmausBot (operated by Emaus) performed revision 888888888 on the English Wikipedia – a perfectly mundane double-redirect fix to Oxford High School (Oxford). Let's hear it for the WP:GNOMES!
Runners up were:
{{
Lehigh Valley Phantoms roster}}
See you all again at 999999999 (about 2 years if edits continue at the same rate as the last week). —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 01:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I've just started making repairs at Category:Pages with broken reference names. I don't understand how people make changes without see if it works probably.
Really strange things are fairly infrequent. Yesterday I had trouble with Ateneo Lady Eagles Volleyball Team. It transcludes a chunk from {{#section-h:Ateneo Blue Eagles|Ateneo Lady Eagles Volleyball Team Pool}}. But before it had {{#section:Ateneo Blue Eagles|Ateneo Lady Eagles Volleyball Team Pool}}. I don't know #section is but made the page absolute terrible. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ateneo_Lady_Eagles_Volleyball_Team&oldid=886750924 Who could not see it was wrong.
Another one was Windows XP now and before https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Windows_XP&oldid=886364097#System_requirements
However, there is another kind of mistake which could be bad in the wrong hands. Basically, many different infoboxes, e.g. {{ Infobox Wrestling event}}, can have unknown parameters, and they can be swallowed nothing happens. E.g. WrestleMania 34:
It's not good here, but not bad either.
But something sinister, see White Eagles (paramilitary). {{ Infobox military unit}} there were pseudo-parameter:
ideology = |
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| ideology = {{plainlist| * [[Ultranationalism|Turkish ultranationalism]] * [[Neo-fascism]]<ref>[https://www.politico.eu/article/turkish-grey-wolves-target-chinese/ Turkish Grey Wolves target ‘Chinese’]. ''POLITICO''. Authors - Aykan Erdemir and Merve Tahiroglu. Published 30 July 2015. Retrieved 22 April 2018.</ref><ref>[https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/grey-wolves Grey Wolves]. ''Terrorism Research & Analysis Consortium''. Retrieved 22 April 2018.</ref><ref>[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11824202/Adriana-Lima-tricked-into-flashing-neo-Fascist-symbol.html Adriana Lima 'tricked into flashing neo-Fascist symbol']. ''The Telegraph''. Author - Louisa Loveluck. Published 25 August 2015. Retrieved 22 April 2018.</ref> * [[Pan-Turkism]] and [[Turanism]]<ref name="Hunter"/><ref name="Østergaard"/> * [[Anti-Armenian sentiment]]<ref name=spiegel>{{cite web|first=Renate|last=Flottau|url=http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,580422,00.html|title=Albania's House at the End of the World: Family Denies Organ Harvesting Allegations|work=Der Spiegel|date=22 September 2008|accessdate=4 August 2012}}</ref> * [[Anti-Greek sentiment]]<ref name="spiegel"/> * [[Anti-Kurdish sentiment]]<ref name="Østergaard"/><ref>{{cite news|last1=Humer|first1=Stephan|title=Turkish elections: Turkey's Kurd-hating Grey Wolves spreading neo-nazi poison across Europe|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkish-elections-turkeys-kurd-hating-grey-wolves-spreading-neo-nazi-poison-across-europe-1504725|work=[[International Business Times]]|date=5 June 2015}}</ref><ref name="lefigaro"/><ref name="2013 report"/> * [[Anti-communism]]<ref name="Atkins"/><ref name="crisisgroup"/>}} |
Obviously (?) now the messages are harmless, but what I'm saying is that there should be better control of non-parameters. The easiest way would be for the 'publish changes' button to be "greyed out".
Other places which allow the same sort of thing, to me is {{
reflist}}.
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Talk about confusing (
talk •
contribs) 07:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hoo-boy, yeah...two (yes two!) hot-button issues on Wikipedia... Infoboxes! and the Syrian Civil War! Anyway,...
Take a look at
Syrian Civil War with its associated
Template:Syrian Civil War infobox.... I have tried to discuss the size of the infobox as it relates to the article, I
edited it down at one point in time to not be as long, though I was unable to adjust the width. It's causing readability issues for folks using mobile devices and it overwhelms the text. The editors who usually edit the article seem generally satisfied with the content of the infobox but...but...it's *so* huge. Wiki-codeing is not my strong suit so I thought it would be a good idea for some other editors to look it over, try to adjust the size in the Template's
sandbox and take a look at how the various versions - Template vs sandbox - look in its
testcases page.
I opened a
WP:RFC on
the talk page and the consensus was to reduce the size but the one version I came up with was reverted to its original form. I subsequently
posted in the talkpage about my edits and the size. Maybe some of you coding wizards around here can take a look at the situation and come up with a better solution than mine.
Shearonink (
talk) 00:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates needs more votes. Thanks, Yann ( talk) 17:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I've been on hiatus for the last 4 years. The usual method back then was to create the article in your userspace, then move it to main space and hope it doesn't get nominated for deletion. Is there now a better way to create an article where it's worked upon in neutral space and when there is a consensus it's then moved to mainspace and not likely to be deleted? I want to create an article on " aspirational recycling". Technophant ( talk) 16:32, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
I do not understand Wikipedia:Simple 2FA and once lost encrypted data using blowfish? I fear that I will get locked out if I do this 2FA thing. I have a really, really strong password, but just in case, can't I just email a few admins with a simple code word, so in case I get locked out, I can just email those admins again and say the code word to prove identity? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I have a suggestion concerning the 'random button' that presents random articles to read. Everytime I use that button a page shows up about a sleepy village with less than 100 inhabitants and where nothing ever happens, or a weird moth or other type of bug that is so rare and uninteresting that there are only 10 lines of information about it. I would like to suggest that the random pages that show up are pages of things (or people, places, etc) that have a minimum length and are pages that are frequently visited by people who are looking for information about that subject. Thank you. Stijn Adriaansen ( talk) 12:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
What happened here? Some spaces seem to be replaced by spaces of a different kind. After this edit, the items type and fatalities are no longer displayed in the infobox. -- FredTC ( talk) 07:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
or  
)
non-breaking spaces (NBSP), and those don't work as separators in template parameter assignments like regular spaces do, hence the disappearing items – same thing happens
if you replace those spaces with
. --
Pipetricker (
talk) 10:22, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I have copied the above to WP:Village pump (technical). Please make any technical comments there, and feel free to continue non-technical discussion here. -- Pipetricker ( talk) 15:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
There appears to be at least one utility which as a side effect of its function
converts encountered "raw" NBSPs to
when saving them. This doesn't stop them from breaking things if in the wrong place, but it makes them easier to spot and fix. --
Pipetricker (
talk) 16:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Co Media Lab and Design Beku are organising an editathon in support of Whose Knowledge's Visible Wiki Women campaign in Bangalore on 30th March, 2019. You will find all details of the event in the link below. Looking forward to participation from Bangalore Wikipedians.
-- Shobhasv ( talk) 15:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
A request for comment is underway at Talk:List of works by Leonardo da Vinci#RfC - Horse and Rider. The RfC addresses the following question:
All are invited to participate. SamHolt6 ( talk) 22:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
We have several templates that take a Wikidata ID ("QID") as a parameter; and those parameters don't have a standard name. For example:
|WD=
|eid=
|wikidata=
|QID=
|qid=
Can we rationalise these? QID or qid seem to be the most common. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
|qid=
as a standard to all templates that call wikidata from parameters. Most templates use all-lower-case parameter names, "QID" is the canonical name of the thing being requested, and "qid" is short and (relatively) easy to remember. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 12:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)|qid=
would be a good thing. --
Pipetricker (
talk) 08:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)|qid=Qxxx
as also done by {{
convert}} although it's rarely used and is intended for some infoboxes. An example from the documentation is {{convert|input=P2073|qid=Q1056131|km|abbr=on}}.
Johnuniq (
talk) 08:43, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Given the length of the list that is the redirect target, I'm thinking this may not be a notable publication, but I wanted to include it in Sad (disambiguation). I used a piped link for Sad!: Doonesbury in the Time of Trump but the actual title is #Sad!: Doonesbury in the Time of Trump. I'm thinking the publication is not notable enough for its own article, though there is this, which mentions the publication briefly. Due to the special nature of Garry Trudeau's satirizing of Donald Trump, perhaps I'm looking at adding some information to the Doonesbury article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
How does one start a new WikiProject, please? I have just had a look at several Wikipedia articles on Christian mystics, and looked to see whether they are of interest to a WikiProject called "WikiProject: Mysticism" but there does not appear to be a WikiProject of that name. It might be that we could have a task force in related WikiProjects, such as WikiProject Spirituality or WikiProject Religion. Vorbee ( talk) 17:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Probably a silly question, but is there a way to quickly find out which articles in a given category don't have images without having to manually check them one by one?
Thanks. Ixfd64 ( talk) 00:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have a problem with @ Srnec: and @ Joshua Jonathan:. First, I put the Template:Heathenry to the Germanic paganism article and user Srnec remove it with reason "modern stuff has nothing to do with ancient religion". So due to this rule, I removed Template:Hinduism from article historical Vedic religion and then it's restored by Joshua Jonathan, because he think that it doesn't have sense. So let me explain please: who of them are right? These templates should be included in this articles, or not? -- Wojsław Brożyna ( talk) 06:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Its practitioners model it on the pre-Christian belief systems adhered to by the Germanic peoples of Iron Age and Early Medieval Europe.
Hey. Not sure if this is the right place, apologies. I tripped over the article Insignia trilogy and the long-term editor in me had to be talked off the ledge. This is by far the worst example of allowing an entire book to be written as a plot summary I've seen for years. Possibly the absolute worst. I've no idea how to approach dealing with this article, or if I should. Please advise: is it our policy to slash these "summaries" or is it somehow accepted that books can have articles like this? Thanks. doktorb words deeds 01:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
10:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Are there any tools to look at a bit of fractured English and figure out if it's really a lack of fluency, or somebody faking poor grammar? Every so often, I'll ask somebody a question which I know they'd prefer not to answer (i.e., "Do you have a WP:COI"), and get back an answer in broken English. Often, I'll look at the response and think, "This person really does understand what I'm asking, they're just faking a language issue to avoid answering".
When a non-native English speaker messes up a sentence (easy to do; English spelling and grammar are total disasters), there's usually common mistakes based on what their first language is. For example, native Spanish speakers often misuse "in" and "on", since they're the same word in Spanish. It seems like it would be within the realm of current language recognition technology to look at a bit of broken English and say, "This is indicative of a native XXX speaker, based on the way they misuse YYY construction", or, "This doesn't look like anything expected from any non-native English speaker". Or even, "Given the existing samples of other stuff this person has written, they're grasp of English is probably better than they're letting on here"? -- RoySmith (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
This work by User:Michaelneurosx is too much detail (about postoperative pain) for the broad overview article, Pain. Presently, Postoperative pain is a redirect to Pain. I'd like to use Michael's contribution to start Postoperative pain as a stand-alone article. How best to attribute it to him. -- Anthonyhcole ( talk · contribs · email) 05:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
copy text from [[Pain]] by [[User:Michaelneurosx|Michaelneurosx]]
I made the following template to replace the horrible Wikipedia:List of newsletters.
It only includes active newsletters, as far as I could determine what they were. The small t links take you to Google translate for newsletters that are not in English. Inactive newsletters can be found by clicking "see all". 'RC' gives recent changes on the English Wikipedia for a quick review of what's new.
If you know of missing newsletters, please add them to this template. It's not the most well-designed of templates, so if you run into issues, just drop a message on the template's talk page and I'll update things accordingly. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 00:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Pigsonthewing, RexxS, Tom.Reding, and Lea Lacroix (WMDE): now that I think of it, this is something that would be very nice for Wikidata to have a category/structure on. I don't really know how things are categorized over there, but some structure could be
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With further substructure as warranted (e.g. language categories), individual newsletters categories, and so on. So something like Wikipedia:Bots/News/201808 would be found in
or something like it. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 16:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Please help translate to other languages.
how to find how many edits in wikidata in this year or last years Amirh123 ( talk) 10:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rockstone35/list of banned users. Johnuniq ( talk) 23:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering if there was any sort of clubs on Wikipedia, and if i could create on if i wanted to. The 2nd Red Guy ( talk) 21:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
There are WikiProject Groups - how do the clubs you have in mind differ from WikiProject Groups? Vorbee ( talk) 17:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Located here. petrarchan47 คุ ก 17:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, there's this user ( User:Aspects), who constantly deletes red-links from navigation boxes by referring to "per WP:NAV". Do we have a policy like this? -- Joseph ( talk) 20:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)