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Thanks for the ping. Support per being informed that all of the ancient Roman categories are styled like this. But "Ancient Roman twins" could be my Uncle Mortie and Aunt Rose (God bless their souls, under their real names, real birth order, and real nationalities, but you get the idea).
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Category:Music videos showing Sweden
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category. Theoretically, there is room people with a defining link to a country but for whom we don't have any information or certainty about their citizenship of that country. However, it has proved not practically feasible to keep distinct category trees in the long run. Specifically, for a place with a history as long as China, there are times when going back in history where the notion of nationals vs. non-nationals just does not make sense. That's why individual people are at
Category:People by nationality and not at
Category:People by country.
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Could we at some point discuss the correct parenting of categories for expatriates, immigrants, diasporas etc.? Imho expatriates and diaspora categories should not be placed in Demographics of... categories but in Society of... as the people in these categories are not statistics and population science.
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Category:Emigrants from Dutch Guiana to the United States
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Category:20th-century executions by the District of Columbia
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Category:Lists of women government ministers by portfolio
Category:Fictional characters with schizoid personality disorder
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Nominator's rationale: In theory, this category should be upmerged for now, but it is not defining for the only character in here.
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Category:Emigrants from the Colony of Natal to the United Kingdom
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That many subcategories is not going to "overwhelm" anything. Wikipedia servers are not running on hamster wheels, they can handle categorizes with dozens of subcategories.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support original nomination, this tree is not about biology, it is about fiction. Following scientific taxonomy unnecessary complicates the tree.
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Category:Jewish American television producers
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Category:Jewish American film directors
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish film directors. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Category:Jewish American film producers
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish film producers. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Category:Fictional characters from the 6th millennium
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish chefs. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Category:Jewish American lawyers
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Keep; there are other similar categories by ethnicity and it helps in diffusion. Actually, rather torn by this. Unlike chefs and inventors, I can see why lawyers are split by ethnicity.
Omnis Scientia (
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19:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I was conflicted, @
Omnis Scientia, which is why I didn't bundle all the categories together. Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether their was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just Jewish lawyers.
Mason (
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20:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Also sorry to spam the same comment at you. I wanted to make sure that the reasoning was clear if the nominations get separated when/if they're relisted.
Mason (
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20:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle, the thing with these Cfd (and I've seen a few related to Jewish people in general where most decide they are NOT defining) is that we are deciding whether or not Jewish Americans are defining. I would say they very much are. And in case of Jewish Americans, unlike Jewish Britons for example, there are significant numbers to warrant categories like this one IF there is a precedence of categorization by ethnicities in an occupation which, in this case, there is (
Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin).
Omnis Scientia (
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08:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Place Clichy, again, you can apply this argument to any other ethnic group in the States, and there are other categories of
Category:American lawyers which could be against
WP:EGRS.
Dual merge (rather than splitting, and maybe that was the original intent). Jewish American lawyers practice the same law as other lawyers. While there are a number of American lawyers who are Jewish, and the Jewish American lawyer may be a racist cliché in itself, I don't believe that someone should be put in such a category if their professional practice does not deal with Jewish topics in a defining fashion. I believe that for law professionals active on Jewish legal topics such as civil rights,
Category:American Jewish anti-racism activists or
Category:Jewish American community activists may be better locations.
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08:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Place Clichy, I don't agree in part because being a civil rights lawyer does not mean being an activist. And I don't agree with they "practice the same law as other lawyers" arguement because you can say that about any profession and category.
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish inventors. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Nominator's rationale: Collections and books are rather different things, so I'm not sure why the category was created covering both. There's already
Category:Books of photographs, so the category members that are books should probably be split and merged there. I'm not sure if
Category:Photographic collections would be a clear title. I think museum and gallery collections is the intended meaning? Does anyone have a better alternative title?
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Category:People in Sámi history
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Nominator's rationale:delete, all people have lived in history at some point of time, this is not a defining characteristic. A merge is not needed, the articles are already in more appropriate Sámi subcategories.
Marcocapelle (
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22:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
As far as I can tell this category was supposed to be about famous Sámi people in history, but if someone has managed to be added to Wikipedia, I think that is enough to say that they were famous Sámi people, so I agree that this category should be ditched. -
Yupik (
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22:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep Until the 20th-century, the Sami people were not treated equally with Norwegians, Swedes and Finns in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. They did not always regard themselwes to be the subjects of these countries, but maintained their own separate culture and history. If this category is deleted, it would make it very hard to find Sami people of history, since they have no other such category. One would have to go through each individual article one by one, to find Sami people active prior to the 20th-century. There are no century-category of Sami people before the 20th-century. You could argue that centiry categories should be created instead of having this big category, but the problem is that the articles would, I believe, be to few to justify creating century categories before the 20th-century. Nevertheless, it is relevant to be able to find Sami people from history, particularly since their history was indeed separate from the history of other people of these realms. In the same fashion as, for example, "Category:19th-century Native Americans" have their own category. The Sami should not be treated differently.--
Aciram (
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23:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Thank you Aciram for bringing up this valid point! Based on your argument, I have changed my mind to oppose this category being deleted. -
Yupik (
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09:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It is not enough with creating century categories. Why? I mention it above: some of those categories would simply be too small, and yet there are still Sami people who played in important part in Sami history which we would not be able to find if this category is deleted.--
Aciram (
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22:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete with no objection to creating 18th and 19th century cats, that would create treat the Sami the same as the Native American categories. - 03:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding
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If there is another article about a 14th-century Sámi I will. In the current situation there is not much use of a category because there is no other article to navigate to when you are in
Margareta (missionary). Note that categories are meant to navigate between related articles. If you are interested in a complete list,
List of Sámi people and
List of Sámi women do a much better job.
Marcocapelle (
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18:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. There is no point in time where history stops and the present starts. Timeless categories such as
Category:Sámi people and children categories by occupation, geography or group can have people from the past. Living people were also placed in this category (example). The argument that "If this category is deleted, it would make it very hard to find Sami people of history, since they have no other such category" is a cyclic argument, it does not demonstrate that there is such a concept as Sami people of history. A list article may be more efficient to underline the importance of some individual figures in Sámi history.
Place Clichy (
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08:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment -- The Sami have been nomads, and to some extent still are, wandering between Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. They thus do not fit easily into national categories. The question is how the parent container for them should be named. 17th 18th and 19th century categories already exist, into which the articles ought to be dispersed.
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Category:Magical girl characters in anime and manga
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Nominator's rationale: Case of clear
WP:OVERLAPCAT given that being a "magical girl" generally implies anime or manga origin. If anything, the ones in the parent category should probably be removed as miscategorized. Simply being a woman who uses magical powers does not imply being part of the magical girl genre.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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22:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm not saying there are zero exceptions to the rule, but it feels like an overlap to have a separate category for characters specifically from anime and manga. There just aren't so many non anime/manga characters this is necessary.
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06:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Television shows set in Wales by city
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The articles are already in established category trees. There's nothing to stop those two Swansea TV series being put in
Category:Culture in Swansea anyway. SMALLCAT is designed to prevent categories containing only one or two items (which would make them difficult to find).
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Keep but Feel Free to Create Subcategory Since JTBC is the parent category and there are already two subcats for other subsidiaries, Zium and Drama House, just create a third subcategory. -
RevelationDirect (
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01:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Film and television production company categories are never renamed. A show produced by company X was never produced by company B. That is just anachronistic and incorrect. What we do when a company is renamed, is make that the parent company of the former.
Gonnym (
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12:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename "SLL" and "JTBC Studios" are effectively two names for the same entity - the category groups television series by the entity that produces them, not the name that entity went by.
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Comment Seeing how the category is populated now, it appears to mix two different things: a) articles that discuss the historical development of Indo-European languages (which is a good match for the proposed target) and b) articles that relate to the pre-historical geographical migrations of speakers of early Indo-European languages (which would be better assigned to a new cat
Category:Indo-European migrations). –
Austronesier (
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20:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Hm, with this limited amount of articles a split is not the most desirable option. Besides the migration is discussed in order to explain the spread of the language family.
Marcocapelle (
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20:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Still the entire category lumps together two kinds of articles that are entirely unrelated to each other except for falling under the parent category
Category:Indo-European languages. Have a look especially at
Category:Indo-European language histories. These articles are about linguistic substance, i.e. how the phonology, grammar etc. of Indo-European languages have evolved from earlier attested or reconstructed stages. These "hard-core" linguistic topics are very remote from those that discuss the (pre-historical) spatial movements of peoples assumed to have spoken early Indo-European languages based on interdisciplinary interpretations of linguistic, archeaological and archaeogenetic data. –
Austronesier (
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21:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep The articles are not entirely about linguistics. The category is only sparsely populated and splitting will leave two SMALL CATS, which someone will misguidedly want to delete. I agree it is not a well bounded category.
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21:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Sexuality and age in fiction
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: comments on both the rename and the proposal on containerization would be appreciated. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk01:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose – There are many other categories that use the format "X in fiction", for example many of the subcats in the given example
Category:Fiction about medicine and health. The current naming format also suits articles that discuss the use of those themes in fiction and not just instances of works using those themes. I think it just sounds less clunky too.
MClay1 (
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12:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support containerize and rename per Marcocapelle. I don't understand MClay1's opposition to the rename given that the goal is to ensure that the content is defining. I don't know of any examples of articles that discuss those themes, and think that they'd fit just as well in the category as renamed.
Mason (
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23:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename and containerise, per Marcocapelle, per nom. The target may be clunky, but it does at least clarify that it needs to be defining for the category members.
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Category:20th-century assassinated Asian politicians
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Nominator's rationale: I think we should just upmerge this category as there are only three categories total that contain nationality specific 20th-century assassinated politicians.
Mason (
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00:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I had forgotten about this project I started. My plan was to populate it directly with politicians not with nationalities, as opposed to
Category:Assassinated politicians in Asia that is populated with subcategories of nationalities due to its extent. According to
the PetScan analysis, the nominated category has potentially more than 300 entries. Sincerely,
I would definitely recommend populating nationality categories (for the better populated countries only) rather than populating continent categories.
Marcocapelle (
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23:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I was doing that (20th-century assassinated Indian politicians, and Chinese) but there are only few of them. I think categorizing by continent is standard practice (cities in Asia, history of Asia, Asian cuisine, etc.). Given the large amount of individual pages in Category:Assassinated politicians in Asia, I think it would be also helpful to diffuse by intersection of at least 20t century assassinated politicians and assassinated politicians in Asia, although other diffusion schemes may be helpful as well. Btw, there is the
Category:20th century in Asia. Regards, Thinker78(talk)17:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Category:Assassinated politicians in Asia is pretty well diffused by nationalities. I don't see why we'd need to add an additional intersection by century with continent. I don't think that categorizing by continent before nationality is standard practice. I'm not sure your examples are super relevant because they don't include examples of people or death, which seem to be the key features here, rather than the continent.
Mason (
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21:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Some countries like China and Japan have ancient histories. Diffusion can help navigate among at least two centuries, even in countries that were created in the 20th century. Regards, Thinker78(talk)17:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'd like to note that even though Thinker78 has added more Asian nationalities, I don't see the advantage of isolating them from the only other nationality category France.
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Category:Fictional characters with spirit possession or body swapping abilities
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus to rename to "African", weak consensus to replace "about" with "of".
Nominator's rationale:rename and purge, "black" is too subjective a skin color (I learned that people of Indian descent may be included in "Black British") and likely to lead to original research.
Marcocapelle (
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06:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
On the other hand, there are plenty of paintings of black models in Western Europe, such as France or the Netherlands. I doubt that these people identify as African, just as French and Dutch.
Ymblanter (
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10:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Presumably there must be paintings of black people that are not from African countries. It doesn't make sense to me to have, say, an article on a painting of Barack Obama in the Paintings of African people cat.
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (
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14:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, but two caveots. 1) I think an alternative name like people of African descent would require less purging; 2. Orchastrattor points out: we need to address the entire category tree.
Mason (
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23:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Question: How common is
WP:SKYISBLUE in cat discussions? Populating "[subject] in [medium]" cats based on superficially obvious elements seems decently common already, not every painting is going to have reputable sources identifying every minute detail with no further analysis.
Orchastrattor (
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04:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: I askedUser:Orchastrattor to revert the closing of this discussion, as being
involved, not following the steps at
WP:CfDClosings and being too early for a no consensus after just 7 days. If they don't self-revert, I or another editor will request to revert the closure e.g. at
WP:AN/I. I am fine with the removal of this comment if the closing is removed.
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Use bothCategory:Works set in computers and
Category:Works set in virtual worlds.
Tron is in part set inside a physical computer... Much of the last half of the original film occurs inside the
Mainframe computer and not inside a virtual environment. I believe there other works in the franchise with the same type of scenario. There is probably a case here for the existence of both categories and a need to double check that the articles are properly sorted.
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Keep Standard for every national team's significant matches to have their own category. I would prefer changing the category's name to Papua New Guinea national soccer team matches per its main category.
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Nominator's rationale:delete, the large amount of content is about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, not about anti-racism broadly, not about the Arab world per se.
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09:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose The objection that there isn't enough content or that too much is Palestinian is specious. The lack of content is a suggestion that the categories should be added to.
Racism in the Arab world and opposition to it is notable. The lack of attention to Arab anti-racist movements is a reflection of Wikipedia's Eurocentrism, anti-Arabism, and erasure of Black Arabs and other racialized Arabs.
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08:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per Marcocapelle and my reasoning at
#Category:Arab anti-racism activists. The trouble with this category name is that it confuses a geographic area (the "Arab world", in which not all inhabitants self-identify as Arabs) and an ethnicity. That's a problem when the topic is anti-racism. It is safer, more convenient and in fact more precise to consider these topics by country and containerize categories through pre-existing regional category schemes such as Middle East. Also, this would have the benefit of avoiding unsolvable battles about e.g. whether Israel is in the Arab world.
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Oppose The objection that there isn't enough content is specious. The lack of content is a suggestion that the categories should be added to.
Racism in the Arab world and opposition to it is notable. The lack of attention to Arab anti-racist movements is a reflection of Wikipedia's Eurocentrism, anti-Arabism, and erasure of Black Arabs and other racialized Arabs.
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08:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I have added mention of Ksiksi's anti-racist activism and her role in passing pioneering anti-racism legislation in Tunisia. Why an article on Tunisia's first Black MP didn't already mention it, I don't know.
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09:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Meanwhile someone purged the one article, which makes it even less necessary to keep the category. Surely en.wp is biased in coverage, but you can't blame categories for it. Categories merely follow what happens in article space.
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21:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I created categories for Tunisian anti-racism and anti-racists. There should be more content about Arab anti-racism and there are the sources to do it. I don't think the fact that these categories are now currently parent categories is a good reason to eliminate them.
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09:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete Incorrect juxtapostion of nationality and ethnicity; members of the subcategories currently here (which are based on nationality and type of activism) are not necessarily Arabs. –
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Delete. That notion would only be useful if there was a specific Arab anti-racism. I don't think there is such a thing, it's just anti-racism. In fact the suggestion that there would be a specific Arab anti-racism is racist in itself. Also, the stupidity of adding
Category:Moroccan anti-racism activists and
Category:Tunisian anti-racism activists to the Arab anti-racist category is that, in fact, they could or should include Berbers and members of other minorities fighting against discrimination from the Arab majority in these countries. So let's better stick to geography-based container categories.
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Keep we should distinguish between Chinese nationals and ethnic Chinese and Chinese speakers. There are many ethnic Chinese not in China with articles, and many non-Han in China with articles. "Chinese people" is a category that is ambiguously named, it should state it is for Chinese nationals, instead of "Chinese people", which can refer to those of Han ethnicity, Han ancestry, Sinophones, writers of Chinese languages, genetic groupings, etc. (Same problem with "French people", "German people", etc, where the same term refers to languages, nationals, ethnicities) --
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Unless specified otherwise we mean people who have been living in China (or France or Germany for that matter) beyond being an expatriate. Distinguishing between Chinese nationals and ethnic (Han?) Chinese and Chinese speakers leads to a ridiculous amount of overlap.
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Category:Massacres committed by anarchists
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Nominator's rationale: I'm not convinced that this intersection is defining/ok. I don't see any other categories like this, where the murder is defined by the political orientation of the killer. All the other examples in that category is based on specific organzations.
Mason (
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06:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Your rename doesn't really address the core issue of violence by political orientation. Are there other categories like the one you've proposed?
Mason (
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21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Does anyone else find it odd that many articles in this list are about bombings? I wouldn't expect bombings to be described as massacres. You can massacre people with guns or swords or so on, but if you mass-kill people with a bomb, that's just... a bombing. It's not completely impossible (eg I can find hits for "Air India massacre" and "Lockerbie massacre" on google), but it's certainly not common, and it seems to me that the uses I turned up weren't examples of defining these bombings as massacres so much as a rhetorical twist to emphasize the horror for readers. Our own article on
massacres appears to agree with me. --
asilvering (
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14:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. I think the category was created in good faith, but to be honest, only one of the events listed really meets the classical definition of a massacre, that being the
Eichenfeld massacre. The others are largely bombings, one case of a mass execution of prisoners of war and one is a mass murderer. These were all certainly awful, but don't qualify as "massacres" (i.e. mass killings of civilians by an armed group) in the same way Eichenfeld clearly does. I'd consider keeping this category if more clear-cut examples can be presented that justifies the category's existence. --
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20:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I note that meanwhile
Category:Anarchist terrorism has been created as a duplicate of the nominated category. Presumably, if there is consensus to delete the nominated category, its duplicate should be deleted too. And if kept they should be merged back. This is really a procedural mess.
Marcocapelle (
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08:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose I disagree that the category "anarchist terrorism" should be deleted/merged. Anarchist terrorism is an actual subject of scholarly interest,
[2] I have a number of books on my shelf about it. But "massacres committed by anarchists" just are not.
[3] Someone may have merged the content of one into the other, but these are not the same category. One has a reason to exist, the other doesn't. --
Grnrchst (
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10:04, 2 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Category:Anarchist terrorism should be covered in a separate discussion. The point remains that the topics in this category are already covered under child categories of the History of anarchism category so there is no need for merger. czar04:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deaths by firearm in New York City
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Nominator's rationale: Per trivial cat, we don't categorize deaths by place; Also per WP:OCLOCATION. In the usa, category is as specific as the state because the categories are very large. The primary category is cause of death (that is then diffused by country).
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00:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep "we don't need to diffuse any further" According to whom and for what reason? Nearly all categories need further subcategories.
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Nominator's rationale: Per trivial cat, we don't categorize deaths by place; Also per WP:OCLOCATION. In the usa, category is as specific as the state because the categories are very large. The primary category is cause of death (that is then diffused by country).
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00:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep "Per trivial cat, we don't categorize deaths by place" Yet you suggesting merging to another category which does just that. And I do not see any reason to merge city-level categories to a category covering an entire
U.S. State.
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Nominator's rationale: Real-life counterpart is
Category:Martyrs. Contested
WP:CFDS due to concerns that the martyr label is used mostly in a religious context, but that was contested as well due to concerns about definingness.
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Thanks for the ping. Support per being informed that all of the ancient Roman categories are styled like this. But "Ancient Roman twins" could be my Uncle Mortie and Aunt Rose (God bless their souls, under their real names, real birth order, and real nationalities, but you get the idea).
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category. Theoretically, there is room people with a defining link to a country but for whom we don't have any information or certainty about their citizenship of that country. However, it has proved not practically feasible to keep distinct category trees in the long run. Specifically, for a place with a history as long as China, there are times when going back in history where the notion of nationals vs. non-nationals just does not make sense. That's why individual people are at
Category:People by nationality and not at
Category:People by country.
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22:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Could we at some point discuss the correct parenting of categories for expatriates, immigrants, diasporas etc.? Imho expatriates and diaspora categories should not be placed in Demographics of... categories but in Society of... as the people in these categories are not statistics and population science.
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Nominator's rationale: In theory, this category should be upmerged for now, but it is not defining for the only character in here.
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That many subcategories is not going to "overwhelm" anything. Wikipedia servers are not running on hamster wheels, they can handle categorizes with dozens of subcategories.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support original nomination, this tree is not about biology, it is about fiction. Following scientific taxonomy unnecessary complicates the tree.
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish film directors. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish film producers. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish chefs. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Keep; there are other similar categories by ethnicity and it helps in diffusion. Actually, rather torn by this. Unlike chefs and inventors, I can see why lawyers are split by ethnicity.
Omnis Scientia (
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19:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I was conflicted, @
Omnis Scientia, which is why I didn't bundle all the categories together. Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether their was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just Jewish lawyers.
Mason (
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20:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Also sorry to spam the same comment at you. I wanted to make sure that the reasoning was clear if the nominations get separated when/if they're relisted.
Mason (
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20:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle, the thing with these Cfd (and I've seen a few related to Jewish people in general where most decide they are NOT defining) is that we are deciding whether or not Jewish Americans are defining. I would say they very much are. And in case of Jewish Americans, unlike Jewish Britons for example, there are significant numbers to warrant categories like this one IF there is a precedence of categorization by ethnicities in an occupation which, in this case, there is (
Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin).
Omnis Scientia (
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08:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Place Clichy, again, you can apply this argument to any other ethnic group in the States, and there are other categories of
Category:American lawyers which could be against
WP:EGRS.
Dual merge (rather than splitting, and maybe that was the original intent). Jewish American lawyers practice the same law as other lawyers. While there are a number of American lawyers who are Jewish, and the Jewish American lawyer may be a racist cliché in itself, I don't believe that someone should be put in such a category if their professional practice does not deal with Jewish topics in a defining fashion. I believe that for law professionals active on Jewish legal topics such as civil rights,
Category:American Jewish anti-racism activists or
Category:Jewish American community activists may be better locations.
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08:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Place Clichy, I don't agree in part because being a civil rights lawyer does not mean being an activist. And I don't agree with they "practice the same law as other lawyers" arguement because you can say that about any profession and category.
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Comment. If kept, I think that this category should be broadened to just
Category:Jewish inventors. (Effectively, my rule of thumb for nominating was whether there was a parent Jewish OCCUPATION category that wasn't diffused by nationality.)
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Nominator's rationale: Collections and books are rather different things, so I'm not sure why the category was created covering both. There's already
Category:Books of photographs, so the category members that are books should probably be split and merged there. I'm not sure if
Category:Photographic collections would be a clear title. I think museum and gallery collections is the intended meaning? Does anyone have a better alternative title?
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Category:People in Sámi history
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Nominator's rationale:delete, all people have lived in history at some point of time, this is not a defining characteristic. A merge is not needed, the articles are already in more appropriate Sámi subcategories.
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22:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
As far as I can tell this category was supposed to be about famous Sámi people in history, but if someone has managed to be added to Wikipedia, I think that is enough to say that they were famous Sámi people, so I agree that this category should be ditched. -
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22:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep Until the 20th-century, the Sami people were not treated equally with Norwegians, Swedes and Finns in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. They did not always regard themselwes to be the subjects of these countries, but maintained their own separate culture and history. If this category is deleted, it would make it very hard to find Sami people of history, since they have no other such category. One would have to go through each individual article one by one, to find Sami people active prior to the 20th-century. There are no century-category of Sami people before the 20th-century. You could argue that centiry categories should be created instead of having this big category, but the problem is that the articles would, I believe, be to few to justify creating century categories before the 20th-century. Nevertheless, it is relevant to be able to find Sami people from history, particularly since their history was indeed separate from the history of other people of these realms. In the same fashion as, for example, "Category:19th-century Native Americans" have their own category. The Sami should not be treated differently.--
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23:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Thank you Aciram for bringing up this valid point! Based on your argument, I have changed my mind to oppose this category being deleted. -
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09:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It is not enough with creating century categories. Why? I mention it above: some of those categories would simply be too small, and yet there are still Sami people who played in important part in Sami history which we would not be able to find if this category is deleted.--
Aciram (
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22:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete with no objection to creating 18th and 19th century cats, that would create treat the Sami the same as the Native American categories. - 03:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding
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If there is another article about a 14th-century Sámi I will. In the current situation there is not much use of a category because there is no other article to navigate to when you are in
Margareta (missionary). Note that categories are meant to navigate between related articles. If you are interested in a complete list,
List of Sámi people and
List of Sámi women do a much better job.
Marcocapelle (
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18:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. There is no point in time where history stops and the present starts. Timeless categories such as
Category:Sámi people and children categories by occupation, geography or group can have people from the past. Living people were also placed in this category (example). The argument that "If this category is deleted, it would make it very hard to find Sami people of history, since they have no other such category" is a cyclic argument, it does not demonstrate that there is such a concept as Sami people of history. A list article may be more efficient to underline the importance of some individual figures in Sámi history.
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08:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment -- The Sami have been nomads, and to some extent still are, wandering between Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. They thus do not fit easily into national categories. The question is how the parent container for them should be named. 17th 18th and 19th century categories already exist, into which the articles ought to be dispersed.
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Category:Magical girl characters in anime and manga
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Nominator's rationale: Case of clear
WP:OVERLAPCAT given that being a "magical girl" generally implies anime or manga origin. If anything, the ones in the parent category should probably be removed as miscategorized. Simply being a woman who uses magical powers does not imply being part of the magical girl genre.
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I'm not saying there are zero exceptions to the rule, but it feels like an overlap to have a separate category for characters specifically from anime and manga. There just aren't so many non anime/manga characters this is necessary.
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Category:Television shows set in Wales by city
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The articles are already in established category trees. There's nothing to stop those two Swansea TV series being put in
Category:Culture in Swansea anyway. SMALLCAT is designed to prevent categories containing only one or two items (which would make them difficult to find).
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Keep but Feel Free to Create Subcategory Since JTBC is the parent category and there are already two subcats for other subsidiaries, Zium and Drama House, just create a third subcategory. -
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01:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Film and television production company categories are never renamed. A show produced by company X was never produced by company B. That is just anachronistic and incorrect. What we do when a company is renamed, is make that the parent company of the former.
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12:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename "SLL" and "JTBC Studios" are effectively two names for the same entity - the category groups television series by the entity that produces them, not the name that entity went by.
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Category:Indo-European history
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Comment Seeing how the category is populated now, it appears to mix two different things: a) articles that discuss the historical development of Indo-European languages (which is a good match for the proposed target) and b) articles that relate to the pre-historical geographical migrations of speakers of early Indo-European languages (which would be better assigned to a new cat
Category:Indo-European migrations). –
Austronesier (
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20:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Hm, with this limited amount of articles a split is not the most desirable option. Besides the migration is discussed in order to explain the spread of the language family.
Marcocapelle (
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20:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Still the entire category lumps together two kinds of articles that are entirely unrelated to each other except for falling under the parent category
Category:Indo-European languages. Have a look especially at
Category:Indo-European language histories. These articles are about linguistic substance, i.e. how the phonology, grammar etc. of Indo-European languages have evolved from earlier attested or reconstructed stages. These "hard-core" linguistic topics are very remote from those that discuss the (pre-historical) spatial movements of peoples assumed to have spoken early Indo-European languages based on interdisciplinary interpretations of linguistic, archeaological and archaeogenetic data. –
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21:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep The articles are not entirely about linguistics. The category is only sparsely populated and splitting will leave two SMALL CATS, which someone will misguidedly want to delete. I agree it is not a well bounded category.
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Category:Sexuality and age in fiction
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: comments on both the rename and the proposal on containerization would be appreciated. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk01:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose – There are many other categories that use the format "X in fiction", for example many of the subcats in the given example
Category:Fiction about medicine and health. The current naming format also suits articles that discuss the use of those themes in fiction and not just instances of works using those themes. I think it just sounds less clunky too.
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12:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support containerize and rename per Marcocapelle. I don't understand MClay1's opposition to the rename given that the goal is to ensure that the content is defining. I don't know of any examples of articles that discuss those themes, and think that they'd fit just as well in the category as renamed.
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23:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename and containerise, per Marcocapelle, per nom. The target may be clunky, but it does at least clarify that it needs to be defining for the category members.
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Category:20th-century assassinated Asian politicians
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Nominator's rationale: I think we should just upmerge this category as there are only three categories total that contain nationality specific 20th-century assassinated politicians.
Mason (
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00:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I had forgotten about this project I started. My plan was to populate it directly with politicians not with nationalities, as opposed to
Category:Assassinated politicians in Asia that is populated with subcategories of nationalities due to its extent. According to
the PetScan analysis, the nominated category has potentially more than 300 entries. Sincerely,
I would definitely recommend populating nationality categories (for the better populated countries only) rather than populating continent categories.
Marcocapelle (
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23:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I was doing that (20th-century assassinated Indian politicians, and Chinese) but there are only few of them. I think categorizing by continent is standard practice (cities in Asia, history of Asia, Asian cuisine, etc.). Given the large amount of individual pages in Category:Assassinated politicians in Asia, I think it would be also helpful to diffuse by intersection of at least 20t century assassinated politicians and assassinated politicians in Asia, although other diffusion schemes may be helpful as well. Btw, there is the
Category:20th century in Asia. Regards, Thinker78(talk)17:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Category:Assassinated politicians in Asia is pretty well diffused by nationalities. I don't see why we'd need to add an additional intersection by century with continent. I don't think that categorizing by continent before nationality is standard practice. I'm not sure your examples are super relevant because they don't include examples of people or death, which seem to be the key features here, rather than the continent.
Mason (
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21:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Some countries like China and Japan have ancient histories. Diffusion can help navigate among at least two centuries, even in countries that were created in the 20th century. Regards, Thinker78(talk)17:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'd like to note that even though Thinker78 has added more Asian nationalities, I don't see the advantage of isolating them from the only other nationality category France.
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Category:Fictional characters with spirit possession or body swapping abilities
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus to rename to "African", weak consensus to replace "about" with "of".
Nominator's rationale:rename and purge, "black" is too subjective a skin color (I learned that people of Indian descent may be included in "Black British") and likely to lead to original research.
Marcocapelle (
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06:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
On the other hand, there are plenty of paintings of black models in Western Europe, such as France or the Netherlands. I doubt that these people identify as African, just as French and Dutch.
Ymblanter (
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10:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Presumably there must be paintings of black people that are not from African countries. It doesn't make sense to me to have, say, an article on a painting of Barack Obama in the Paintings of African people cat.
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (
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14:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, but two caveots. 1) I think an alternative name like people of African descent would require less purging; 2. Orchastrattor points out: we need to address the entire category tree.
Mason (
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23:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Question: How common is
WP:SKYISBLUE in cat discussions? Populating "[subject] in [medium]" cats based on superficially obvious elements seems decently common already, not every painting is going to have reputable sources identifying every minute detail with no further analysis.
Orchastrattor (
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04:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: I askedUser:Orchastrattor to revert the closing of this discussion, as being
involved, not following the steps at
WP:CfDClosings and being too early for a no consensus after just 7 days. If they don't self-revert, I or another editor will request to revert the closure e.g. at
WP:AN/I. I am fine with the removal of this comment if the closing is removed.
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Use bothCategory:Works set in computers and
Category:Works set in virtual worlds.
Tron is in part set inside a physical computer... Much of the last half of the original film occurs inside the
Mainframe computer and not inside a virtual environment. I believe there other works in the franchise with the same type of scenario. There is probably a case here for the existence of both categories and a need to double check that the articles are properly sorted.
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Keep Standard for every national team's significant matches to have their own category. I would prefer changing the category's name to Papua New Guinea national soccer team matches per its main category.
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Nominator's rationale:delete, the large amount of content is about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, not about anti-racism broadly, not about the Arab world per se.
Marcocapelle (
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09:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose The objection that there isn't enough content or that too much is Palestinian is specious. The lack of content is a suggestion that the categories should be added to.
Racism in the Arab world and opposition to it is notable. The lack of attention to Arab anti-racist movements is a reflection of Wikipedia's Eurocentrism, anti-Arabism, and erasure of Black Arabs and other racialized Arabs.
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08:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per Marcocapelle and my reasoning at
#Category:Arab anti-racism activists. The trouble with this category name is that it confuses a geographic area (the "Arab world", in which not all inhabitants self-identify as Arabs) and an ethnicity. That's a problem when the topic is anti-racism. It is safer, more convenient and in fact more precise to consider these topics by country and containerize categories through pre-existing regional category schemes such as Middle East. Also, this would have the benefit of avoiding unsolvable battles about e.g. whether Israel is in the Arab world.
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Category:Arab anti-racism activists
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Oppose The objection that there isn't enough content is specious. The lack of content is a suggestion that the categories should be added to.
Racism in the Arab world and opposition to it is notable. The lack of attention to Arab anti-racist movements is a reflection of Wikipedia's Eurocentrism, anti-Arabism, and erasure of Black Arabs and other racialized Arabs.
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08:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I have added mention of Ksiksi's anti-racist activism and her role in passing pioneering anti-racism legislation in Tunisia. Why an article on Tunisia's first Black MP didn't already mention it, I don't know.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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09:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Meanwhile someone purged the one article, which makes it even less necessary to keep the category. Surely en.wp is biased in coverage, but you can't blame categories for it. Categories merely follow what happens in article space.
Marcocapelle (
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21:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I created categories for Tunisian anti-racism and anti-racists. There should be more content about Arab anti-racism and there are the sources to do it. I don't think the fact that these categories are now currently parent categories is a good reason to eliminate them.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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09:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete Incorrect juxtapostion of nationality and ethnicity; members of the subcategories currently here (which are based on nationality and type of activism) are not necessarily Arabs. –
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Delete. That notion would only be useful if there was a specific Arab anti-racism. I don't think there is such a thing, it's just anti-racism. In fact the suggestion that there would be a specific Arab anti-racism is racist in itself. Also, the stupidity of adding
Category:Moroccan anti-racism activists and
Category:Tunisian anti-racism activists to the Arab anti-racist category is that, in fact, they could or should include Berbers and members of other minorities fighting against discrimination from the Arab majority in these countries. So let's better stick to geography-based container categories.
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Keep we should distinguish between Chinese nationals and ethnic Chinese and Chinese speakers. There are many ethnic Chinese not in China with articles, and many non-Han in China with articles. "Chinese people" is a category that is ambiguously named, it should state it is for Chinese nationals, instead of "Chinese people", which can refer to those of Han ethnicity, Han ancestry, Sinophones, writers of Chinese languages, genetic groupings, etc. (Same problem with "French people", "German people", etc, where the same term refers to languages, nationals, ethnicities) --
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07:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Unless specified otherwise we mean people who have been living in China (or France or Germany for that matter) beyond being an expatriate. Distinguishing between Chinese nationals and ethnic (Han?) Chinese and Chinese speakers leads to a ridiculous amount of overlap.
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Category:Spies by nationality
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Category:Cyber Security by country
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Category:Works set on the moon
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Works set in outer space
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Category:Massacres committed by anarchists
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Nominator's rationale: I'm not convinced that this intersection is defining/ok. I don't see any other categories like this, where the murder is defined by the political orientation of the killer. All the other examples in that category is based on specific organzations.
Mason (
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06:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Your rename doesn't really address the core issue of violence by political orientation. Are there other categories like the one you've proposed?
Mason (
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21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Does anyone else find it odd that many articles in this list are about bombings? I wouldn't expect bombings to be described as massacres. You can massacre people with guns or swords or so on, but if you mass-kill people with a bomb, that's just... a bombing. It's not completely impossible (eg I can find hits for "Air India massacre" and "Lockerbie massacre" on google), but it's certainly not common, and it seems to me that the uses I turned up weren't examples of defining these bombings as massacres so much as a rhetorical twist to emphasize the horror for readers. Our own article on
massacres appears to agree with me. --
asilvering (
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14:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. I think the category was created in good faith, but to be honest, only one of the events listed really meets the classical definition of a massacre, that being the
Eichenfeld massacre. The others are largely bombings, one case of a mass execution of prisoners of war and one is a mass murderer. These were all certainly awful, but don't qualify as "massacres" (i.e. mass killings of civilians by an armed group) in the same way Eichenfeld clearly does. I'd consider keeping this category if more clear-cut examples can be presented that justifies the category's existence. --
Grnrchst (
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20:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I note that meanwhile
Category:Anarchist terrorism has been created as a duplicate of the nominated category. Presumably, if there is consensus to delete the nominated category, its duplicate should be deleted too. And if kept they should be merged back. This is really a procedural mess.
Marcocapelle (
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08:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose I disagree that the category "anarchist terrorism" should be deleted/merged. Anarchist terrorism is an actual subject of scholarly interest,
[2] I have a number of books on my shelf about it. But "massacres committed by anarchists" just are not.
[3] Someone may have merged the content of one into the other, but these are not the same category. One has a reason to exist, the other doesn't. --
Grnrchst (
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10:04, 2 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Category:Anarchist terrorism should be covered in a separate discussion. The point remains that the topics in this category are already covered under child categories of the History of anarchism category so there is no need for merger. czar04:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deaths by firearm in New York City
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Nominator's rationale: Per trivial cat, we don't categorize deaths by place; Also per WP:OCLOCATION. In the usa, category is as specific as the state because the categories are very large. The primary category is cause of death (that is then diffused by country).
Mason (
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00:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep "we don't need to diffuse any further" According to whom and for what reason? Nearly all categories need further subcategories.
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20:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Suicides in New York City
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Nominator's rationale: Per trivial cat, we don't categorize deaths by place; Also per WP:OCLOCATION. In the usa, category is as specific as the state because the categories are very large. The primary category is cause of death (that is then diffused by country).
Mason (
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00:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep "Per trivial cat, we don't categorize deaths by place" Yet you suggesting merging to another category which does just that. And I do not see any reason to merge city-level categories to a category covering an entire
U.S. State.
Dimadick (
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20:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional self-sacrifices
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Nominator's rationale: Real-life counterpart is
Category:Martyrs. Contested
WP:CFDS due to concerns that the martyr label is used mostly in a religious context, but that was contested as well due to concerns about definingness.
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Category:Indo-Europeanists
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Category:Indonesian-speaking people by occupation
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Category:Indonesian-language culture
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Category:Finnish people by first language
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