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The result was speedy keep. per SK1 - No valid reason for deletion - "Unreferenced" isn't a valid reason by a long shot and you need to explain why it's "not notable", Anyway Michig's proved it is notable and has provided sources for the article to be "sourced/referenced" so closing as SK (non-admin closure) – Davey2010 ^Talk 23:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unreferenced. Not notable Rathfelder ( talk) 23:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep. It's only 'unreferenced' because nobody has turned the review link into a citation. This album got plenty of coverage when it came out and more since then, some of which might have been found if it had been searched for, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. -- Michig ( talk) 09:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 18:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet notability norms. Written by himself. Previously deleted. Shyamsunder ( talk) 22:54, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete and salt. No evidence of passing WP:GNG nor WP:PROF. The four previous deletions and re-creations suggest that protection is necessary. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete and salt as clearly above. Xxanthippe ( talk) 07:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC). reply

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The result was Delete no notability. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 11:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable enough to warrant a separate article as they have only one release & info already covered in band's article. Rockysmile11 ^(talk) 22:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom. The Rainbow subgroups do not need separate articles, and Rainbow Pixie is already a redirect to the main group. Random86 ( talk) 00:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete as none of this convinces any applicable improvements and notability. SwisterTwister talk 05:15, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete not notable enough. Daniel Kenneth ( talk) 08:54, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete-- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 11:36, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable enough to warrant a separate article. Only has one release & info already covered (and duplicated) in band's article. Rockysmile11 ^(talk) 22:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom. The Rainbow subgroups do not need separate articles, and Rainbow Blaxx is already a redirect to the main group. Random86 ( talk) 00:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep per the discussion. Megalibrarygirl and some others explained it in detail. ( non-admin closure) Mhhossein ( talk) 12:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:Artist, does not seem to meet guidelines for notability.

There is only one source (an essay by Daniel Perez, who seems to have been a grad student at Claremont and who has only published this one paper, which is about several people and only been cited once) that is substantive criticism of her work.

There is no evidence she has l originated a new technique or theory.

No single work of hers seems to have been the subject of enough discussion to warrant her inclusion.

The article reflects that her work is in several public collections, though it doesn't say permanent collection, and I don't think that the galleries themselves are notable enough.

If this article isn't going to be deleted, it needs rewriting to reflect broader criticism, and it needs to read less like the biography I would read in a brochure for an exhibit. The article is currently the subject of some minor vandalism as she seems to have come up for discussion on the internet. Smith (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC) Smith (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep: I'm not sure how the proposer can say there is only one source when there are (and were at the time of proposing) 14 references. One of these regards a retrospective as part of the upcoming Pacific Standard Time LA/LA shows; not only is this a very prestigious series, but a museum retrospective is considered the highest possible achievement in the contemporary art world. So that alone would be per WP:Artist 4(b). Aguilar is also a 2000 recipient of the Anonymous Was a Woman Award, another prestigous marker — admittedly this isn't yet in her page, but I noticed her name on the award page and am mentioning it here because it supports a keep argument. The references as a whole appear solid to me. Page should be tagged for improvement, not deletion. Alafarge ( talk) 15:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

What I meant when I said not enough references was that a significant amount of the references seemed to be to things that she'd written or shows that she'd done, and that there was only one piece of critical work about her art. I think the 2000 award is probably enough to make a better argument for notability, but that information wasn't present. Smith (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Yes, I see. I've done some cleanup work on the refs, and added some more sources under Further Reading because I don't have time to run them down myself. Alafarge ( talk) 00:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Speedy Keep Meets WP:ARTIST #4b and #4d. Aguilar's work is in the permanent collection of several major museums, LACMA and the Museum_of_Contemporary_Art,_Los_Angeles. Her work was in Aperto at the Venice Benienal in 1993. She is in a number of encyclopedic works like Women Artists of the American West and the Encyclopedia of Lesbian and Gay Histories and Cultures. Statements by critic Amelia Jones in Artforum (October 2003) about the importance of her work satisfy WP:ARTIST #1. Aguilar also meets WP:ARTIST#3; her work has been the subject of an independent book and multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. See the Further reading section for a list of citations. Additionally, while this is not a criterion specifically mentioned in WP:ARTIST, it does give an indication of her importance; her papers are in the special Collection of the Stanford University Manuscripts Division. Mduvekot ( talk) 16:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Speedy keep Aguilar may or may not satisfy WP:ARTIST, but she certainly appears to satisfy WP:GNG. —  Malik Shabazz  ^Talk/ _Stalk 17:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete, if not Speedy Delete based on Criterion A7 To begin, this article sounds like an advertisement and there is nothing to indicate special notability beyond being an esoteric artist. It is written with a very biased outlook that seems to be trying to justify the article's notability by attempting to answer each criterion separately as the article is divided. It was either written by the author or a shill, because it says nothing of any negative criticism but gushes praise. It clearly falls short of the criteria for /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons I suppose I'll begin this autopsy but looking at sources. To begin, 1, 2, 4, 10, and 13 have dead links that go only to error pages. 3, 5, 6, and 7 are mentions, no longer than one or two lines, and provide very little genuine information and are instead essentially trivial mentions. 14, 15 and 16 are simply lists of works in certain collections, but provide no biographical or artistic connections. Now we reach 11, which was written in first person by the artist and is thus only useful for quotations; it is obviously not a reliable third-party source. 12 is an article written by a student in a journal for CGU that no longer exists. It was not written by any authority on the topic, and even then only covers Aguilar's connection to a subject, not an entire paper on her; in fact, the journal itself states: "The goal of LUX is to provide a venue where scholars of different fields can highlight their unique findings for the very first time. Stemmed from eligible submissions to the yearly student research conference hosted by Claremont Graduate University, our journal provides an engaging forum where scholarly exchange is encouraged." That is not a well regarded scholarly journal entry by an authority on the subject or even vetted by authorities on the subject. The citation for AlmaLopez.com has a tiny unsourced entry, unavailable without a direct link, written by someone with a personal interest, but no authority (a college junior Spanish major whose "interest in LGBT was sparked by curiosity" and plans to attend med school). Furthermore, while Lopez is highly regarded, she only seems to mention Aguilar because their works both cover Latina and Lesbian ideas. It is not an article introducing the next prodigy or underrated lifetime achiever. Lopez, Cheryl Dunye, and Annie Liebovitz are people who are relevant enough for articles on very similar subjects, because they pass Wikipedia notability standards and the citation/verifiability standards for a biographical entry. If I were to erase unsourced material, this article would be a couple of sentences long. I am rather dismayed that only the OP seems to have read Wikipedia's definitions of their standards (just because you think it is significant, reliable, and encyclopedic doesn't make it so) or verified any of the citations. I encourage those who decide to respond to this deletion request to read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability before doing so. If you are pro- or anti- Reddit article on Aguilar and here to conduct your cyber warfare between one another, please take your fight back to Reddit. TwoSpear 21:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC) — TwoSpear ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Assuming that people who disagree with you don't know anything is hardly very civil; and what on earth does Reddit have to do with anything? With respect to dead links: I have checked them all and found precisely one that was actually dead (Noriega) but the article itself certainly exists as a quick check in Google Scholar or a library will confirm. Another link (socialarchive.iath.virginia.edu) is not connecting but the site itself is not dead since I've visited it very recently; this can be rechecked later. Some mentions are certainly minor, but two (Valladolid, Perez) existing refs are solidly focused on her work (even if only one aspect of it), as is the museum retrospective. You may not think these journals matter, but others clearly do. And without even looking very hard, I found 6 more sources, all of which were focused either solely or partly on Aguilar's work; I've listed these under Further Reading as I don't have time to hunt them down myself at the moment. Lots of potential there for others to improve the page. Alafarge ( talk) 00:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply

I have fixed all dead links in the references. Please refer to the references by name rather than by number, as the number of references has changed since TwoSpear commented. Mduvekot ( talk) 16:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep She passes GNG if nothing else (though Alafarge and Mduvekot have shown she should pass WP:ARTIST). But let's look at the references which TwoSpear claims are invalid.

1. Alma López reference is another notable artist and a lecturer at UCLA. That gives her authority. The entry here is hardly "tiny." The point of the site is to highlight Latina and Queer artists, so Agular's inclusion here is hardly surprising. The entry was written by a student, but obviously vetted by López for inclusion.
2. The UCLA center of gender studies is an RS [6]
3. The guide to the Laura Aguilar collection is an RS [7]. I am dismayed that it was overlooked that Chon Noriega was the critic mentioned here. He is important in Chicano art history.
4. The San Jose piece on Chicano Photography [8] discusses her work in depth and is an RS.
5. The book Women of Color and Feminism discusses her work in several paragraphs, though I can't see the entire preview [9]
6. There is no reason to discount the Lux article as an RS. Lux is hosted by a reputable university, had an editorial board and encouraged scholarly articles. The fact that there is an editorial board shows that the submissions were indeed vetted. Also, the fact that Lux is no longer publishing has no bearing on it being an RS.
7. Her artist statement [10] is in the first person and is being used to reference her quote. That's perfectly acceptable.

Also, I would like to add that it's important as an editor participating in AfD that you not only point out what sources in the article are RS or not, but that you hunt down dead links, as the others did and look to see if there are other sources about her. Notability does not depend on what is in the article, only that sources exist. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 18:43, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep The references back up the claims to notability and her presence in a number of museums helps this article easily pass WP:GNG. freshacconci talk to me 19:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Speedy Keep. Goodness, gracious. Guide to the Laura Aguilar Papers and Photographs, 1981-1995, California Digital Library, Vincent Price Museum announcement of upcoming retrospective of her work, UCLA Chicano Studies Research Center, World Cat extensive listings under her name. Several pages of links come up for her under a Google search. I think she qualifies under WP:ARTIST, or at the very least WP:GNG. — Maile ( talk) 20:45, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Speedy Keep. Per this [11] and this [12] she clearly passes WP:ARTIST and per other links WP:GNG. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 07:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete per discussion. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 11:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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No substantial coverage in reliable sources as required to meet WP:BIO. SmartSE ( talk) 20:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• delete We're here to record, not promote. Andy Dingley ( talk) 21:15, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Individual seems note-worthy, as I found a large number of sources from a Google search. Page should be edited. Justinkowalsky ( talk) 23:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete as not yet for any applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 05:36, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Nearly every cited reference is a primary source and the secondary source(s) do not establish notability. -- RM 02:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete Single year result of a pageant already deleted as non-notable. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 11:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Year version belonging to a pageant that was deemed not notable. ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Asia Pacific International) The Banner  talk 20:21, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Weak Keep Seems notable enough ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 20:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Lacks non-trivial coverage by independent reliable sources to pass WP:EVENT or WP:GNG. Article lacks reliable sources. An independent search yielded the usual pageant blogs and incidental RS mentions. • Gene93k ( talk) 11:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Nothing in the provided references or content suggests that this is more notable than the parent article that was deemed "not notable". -- RM 02:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete Single year result of a pageant already deleted as non-notable. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 11:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Year version belonging to a pageant that was deemed not notable. ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Asia Pacific International) The Banner  talk 20:20, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Nothing in the provided references or content suggests that this is more notable than the parent article that was deemed "not notable". -- RM 02:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete per discussion. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 11:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Lacks significant coverage by independent reliable sources. Article is "sourced" to the pageant's website. An independent search for RS coverage yielded only photos and incidental mentions. • Gene93k ( talk) 11:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete it is OR with most of the info unverifiable. I removed much of it as unreferenced and OR. Main page for event deleted already so should this be. Legacypac ( talk) 15:00, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. While there seems to be some discussion of coverage, the consensus appears to be that the coverage is insufficient in terms of accomplishments or notability. — Spaceman Spiff 05:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Has no noteworthy accomplishments and minimum coverage. I regard AfD1 as a remarkable example of our erratic decision making DGG ( talk ) 19:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete as searches found several expected links but still none of this is solidly satisfying the applicable notability and there's nothing else convincing. SwisterTwister talk 21:19, 25 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Subject is covered in reliable sources but has no outstanding accomplishments qualifying for notability. Meatsgains ( talk) 04:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete non-notable engineer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep. Beside these references: 1, 2, 3 and 4, he is also the head of a major finance company Infrastructure Development Finance Company. Mr RD 21:32, 29 March 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep I looked for references on this person, and because his name is so common, it was a challenge to figure out which references were actually about him. But it appeared there are numerous ones that do not yet appear in the article, so I would say that it needs more work but should not be deleted. VanEman ( talk) 17:08, 2 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete non-notable, doesn't meet requirements. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete Doesn't seem notable enough to me. Qpalzmmzlapq | talk | contribs 23:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep - borderline notable from the sources I could find. Kansiime (talk) 06:27, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 20:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Pretty much an unknown band that released an album that didn't chart in 2008. Sources are insufficient in every way to demonstrate notability. I've already redirected the album article, In This Life (Jet Black Stare album), because it didn't chart and only had one source, About.com. Even their "official website" is a Myspace.com page. The one article that simply mentioned them was credited as "Staff", not even a name. Fails WP:GNG. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete as searches noticeably found nothing better. SwisterTwister talk 04:48, 26 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep. Major label band that received enough coverage to have a short article , [13], [14], [15], [16]). Also made one of Billboard's crappier charts ( [17]). It's always good to search for coverage before bringing articles to AfD. -- Michig ( talk)
• Comment References cited by Michig are weak on merit (the first two, in fact, are websites where anyone can create their own press), but I'll concede being on Island Records suggest its possible there may be something more out there. I suspect the disadvantage is that what legitimate references there are may no longer exists online. I'll await voting to give time for someone to provide a better reason for keeping this. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 22:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC) reply

• No, people can't create their own bios and reviews on Allmusic. -- Michig ( talk) 05:57, 29 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• I used to believe that too, Michig, but as was pointed out in another discussion anyone can submit their own words and materials to Allmusic. The site's own submission guidelines ( [18]) explain how they draw their data from a second party, Rovi, who vet the submissions and then create original content. Note the third from the bottom paragraph: the editors give themselves license to reference and paraphrase artist supplied materials as a primary source. Which, when you think about it, makes sense when trying to compile data for lesser known artists for whom there might not be much independent press. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:47, 29 March 2016 (UTC) reply

• The key part is "Rovi's editorial policy is that all reviews, synopses, and biographies must written by their staff and freelance contributors, so they cannot simply copy and paste content supplied by artists and labels or studios." i.e. bios and reviews on Allmusic are *not* written by the subjects or their record companies. This is much per any newspaper or magazine, i.e just as reliable and independent as any other reliable independent source.-- Michig ( talk) 18:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC) reply

• I would disagree that being on a major label guarantees "notability" by our standards. Most are, but that is not the same as a free pass. The other sources are weak and/or self-published, as has been pointed out. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• None of the sources I identified are self-published. Nor are they weak. -- Michig ( talk) 07:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• 3 and 4 were written by fans, unvetted, on sites that allow anyone to submit. I'm guessing that is the case here, as a professional writer would have bothered to at least use paragraph breaks. Number 1 has the band opening up at the 3rd act, so I doubt the article passes "significant coverage" per WP:SIGCOV. The 2nd (and why can't you just link to the actual article instead of the highbeam, since it exists? Useless to the reader.) is a decent coverage article. [19]. I'm still of the mind it doesn't pass GNG. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:02, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Are you still referring to the sources I identified above? 3 and 4 are Highbeam articles from the Deseret News and the Boston Globe (because I found them from a Highbeam search - if you found the original articles just link them here instead of bleating about it). 1 is a review from Allmusic, a site that does not publish user-submitted reviews (where do you get this stuff?). -- Michig ( talk) 20:24, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete Un-notable and unnoticed, definitely not article material.— azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 00:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete. There seems to be very little out there in terms of substantial coverage -- mostly just mention of the band, or at best a paragraph in a minor newspaper. The Boston Globe reference barely mentions them (the original article is at http://archive.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2008/07/24/3_doors_down_and_staind_power_up/ ) -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 02:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete - I agree that the Globe is a solid reference... if you're 3 Doors Down. But a brief mention in the closing paragraph is hardly in-depth coverage. The Deseret source is definitely in-depth, but it's an interview, and therefore a primary source. Other than that only brief mentions, and scarcely few of those. Honestly, I surprised there isn't more coverage. Their song was used as a theme during a WWE event (which I suspect is why it made that one single "crappy" chart). There's not even enough coverage to satisfy WP:BASIC. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Very little info available online - close to zero reviews of the album. 52,970 views on a YouTube video, 12,221 FB fans, 1 Amazon review. Nothing indicates passing WP:MUSIC - one single that charted poorly on a specialist chart and independent articles on respected publications are seemingly very scarce. Rayman60 ( talk) 17:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 01:03, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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PROD declined by AusLondonder. Firstly, I can't find any evidence that the school was ever actually operational, so this would fail even by the low standards of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Maybe a search for Chinese sources can turn up some. Even if it was, however, this school is extremely marginal at best: it operated for (at most) 3 years, the article is entirely unsourced, and I can find no independent sources covering the school otherwise (indeed hardly any sources at all). Google (see link above) turns up all of 26 results, 0 of which are meaningful sources. Note that there is coverage of the Oxford International College at Changzhou, but none for this one as far as I can tell. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES states, "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools are usually kept" if they can be verified to be operational. I think this probably falls into the minority that shouldn't be, per the WP:GNG. — Nizolan ^(talk) 04:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC) reply

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Can only find 2 reliable sources on the subject from Google. The school does exist based on an interview of the president [20] however there was a couple name changes according to a report from last year [21] and the Oxford name was dropped 4 years ago. The first source has a passive mention on the school (it focuses on the president) but has a fair amount of detail on the school. The second source reads like a press release written by the school (more good news are expected to come from the school? By whom?). Given that it seems only one source barely meets WP:SIGCOV requirements I'd say delete, unless someone find more sources elsewhere. Also I cannot find any source to support the Oxford campus claim.-- Skyfiler ( talk) 10:11, 24 March 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Skyfiler: Thanks for putting in the legwork on this. Just to check, the article currently states that the school was shuttered in 2010–11; does the report from last year say it's still open under a different name? — Nizolan ^(talk) 22:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC) reply

Yes the report describes another school that was open as of 2015 and named Oxford international school as its predecessor. -- Skyfiler ( talk) 06:33, 25 March 2016 (UTC) reply

Hmm, okay, it needs to be moved to the new name in that case anyway. — Nizolan ^(talk) 18:34, 25 March 2016 (UTC) reply

• I recommend soft delete due to concerns with verifiability discussed above. Der yck C. 17:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete for now at best as I'm not convinced we can make this a better Wikipedia article at this time. SwisterTwister talk 00:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep.  Sandstein  21:17, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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No significant coverage as required per guidelines. Appears to be non-notable small museum run by a religious college. The article author admits that the topic is only "locally notable". Regards, James( ^talk/ _contribs) 05:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply

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• delete 1 gnews hits. Fails WP:ORG Wikipedia should include major museums not a museum that is open a mere 6 hours a week. LibStar ( talk) 11:56, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• Userfy if acceptable to the author.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 12:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• keep the author was misquoted by James Allison and did not say 'only notable' - any more than the Denver Broncos are 'only notable' in Denver. The museum in question is valued by the local community and the whole Adventist population of Oceania whose artefacts and history it attempts to preserve. The 'mere 6 hours a week' opening hours has always been supplemented by group bookings for tourists and schools. Gnews hits do not reflect cultural value and notability - unless there had been a bomb scare there. Nyctemana55 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:46, 31 March 2016 (UTC) — Nyctemana55 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

do you have any connection to this museum ? LibStar ( talk) 13:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply

Consider Userfy if acceptable to you. In any case, please reply on my talk page.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 12:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply

LibStar ( talk I wonder if it has occurred to you that every wiki editor in existence once had 'few or no other edits' when they were first starting out. Every editor was once a "single-purpose account" for at least a little while. Pointing this out to pad out the weight of non-notable evidence makes the comment appear rather superior and conceited. Nyctemana55 has no direct connection to the museum. They live 700km away and have never visited it. A history student doing an internship at the museum asked for their extremely inexpert help to write a wiki article about it. It was their opinion that it was significant, unique, and otherwise unmentioned on Wikipedia. We were aware that it would be a learning curve and that format and protocol rules would have to be learned (hopefully before they were broken) and that ultimately the finished article would meet all wiki standards. But it appears that unhelpfully shooting it down has become a game for some editors. We're trying to learn, and trying to cooperate, and believe we have a unique and important set of information that will be useful and informative to many people in the future. Nyctemana55 ( talk) 07:29, 1 April 2016 (UTC) reply

The comment above in no way establishes how the subject is notable but rather an ad hom attack and tries to divert attention away from the questionable notability of the subject . Adding a single purpose editor tag is standard practice in AfD discussions. LibStar ( talk) 08:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC) reply

But is does make one wonder whether wiki was originally designed as a playground for pedanticism. There seems to be a huge range of editorial interpretation of wiki standards. My "single-purpose account" comment wasn't intended as an ad hom attack on yourself, but your 'standard' use of it on a novice perhaps amounts to exactly that. You're giving a Quarterback a passer rating of 0 or 100 based on a single pass in a single game, and labeling a new contributor as guilty of improper content motivation for their first article. Welcome to wiki, I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Nyctemana55 LibStar talk) 10:04, 1 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Refer to my previous response . LibStar ( talk) 10:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Merge to Cooranbong, New South Wales and keep title as a redirect. There isn't really enough notability for a stand-alone article, but it is a prominent aspect of the town and there is enough independent coverage to support that, e.g. Sydney Morning Herald, Australian Government heritage strategy. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• I've gone ahead and added a paragraph on the museum at Cooranbong, New South Wales#South Sea Islands Museum. This does not preclude eventually having a stand-alone article about it, but it will ensure that the information remains available to readers. I suspect that there may be more coverage of this museum in the Australian press from the late 1960s when the museum was founded, but the archives of the Sydney Morning Herald are behind a pay wall. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep -- It is presumably some kind of tourist attraction. At worst Merge and Redirect. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

You haven't presented any valid argument as to how notability is met to justify a keep vote. LibStar ( talk) 15:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep -- Subject of article in Newcastle Herald, SMH article is not readily available online but appears legit. Paul foord ( talk) 02:57, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

being subject of 1 or 2 articles is not really significant coverage. LibStar ( talk) 15:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep -- Well documented museum well known in Coorabong.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:57, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

being "well known" in a rural suburb of 5000 residents is hardly a case for notability. LibStar ( talk) 15:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete and Draft actually instead as this article could be acceptable but I also wonder if this could be better improved and I'm not currently convinced. Not exactly important for delete so Draft if needed. SwisterTwister talk 04:00, 8 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep Meets WP:GNG . ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 20:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

WP:VAGUEWAVE. LibStar ( talk) 04:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

User:LibStar, please put down you WP:BLUDGEON. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 20:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep per coverage in SMH, Newcastle Herald, and a Department of the Environment publication. The coverage in the Newcastle Herald article is in depth and along with the other two sources should be enough to satisfy GNG. Altamel ( talk) 04:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep with kudos to editors who upgraded sourcing, plenty of coverage now. But I do wish Nom had undertaken to guide editors toward improving article, instead of bringing a small museum with its own building and a remarkable collection (apparent already in article when nominated) instead of going to AFD. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 17:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• A validating source, [22], and image [23]. Added a couple of RS to article, which now passes muster. Small museums with significant artifacts are WP:NOTABLE. And that Solomon Islands canoe is awesome. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:28, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to The 39 Clues. Yamamoto Ichiro ( talk) 11:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Article which starts out reading like a bunch of WP:HOAXy nonsense, but finally offhandedly reveals that it's about a family of characters in a series of speculative fiction novels. The problem, however, is that it's written primarily like an in-unverse genealogy, and provides no real-world context or reliable sourcing to demonstrate why they would need a standalone article as a separate topic from The 39 Clues itself. Every individual character (or even family) in a novel is not automatically a suitable topic for a separate article in its own right, and nothing written or sourced here suggests that this one is more notable than the norm. Delete, or redirect to The 39 Clues. Bearcat ( talk) 17:32, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply

• Merge and Redirect This article is part of The 39 Clues. The information from this article would do well in either the article for The 39 Clues or the article entitled List of The 39 Clues characters, since it is specifically about character groups in the series. User:Sheepythemouse —Preceding undated comment added 17:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply
• Merge + Redirect to The 39 Clues. Some of the information might be worth salvaging and re-inserting there. GAB ^Hello! 17:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete actually as I would've also considered closing this as such since this seems obvious but there's also simply nothing to actually suggest keeping this at the history logs and there's certainly nothing for its own article. SwisterTwister talk 03:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Completely unsourced article, not even referenced to the fictional works it refers to. As a second choice, redirect to List of The 39 Clues characters. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro ( talk) 11:54, 19 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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This is a WP:POVFORK of List of exoplanets. It is based on an index which is was invented to scale to Earth-like characteristics. It says absolutely nothing about habitability and, to the extent that it does, it is based on unpublished claims. jps ( talk) 22:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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NOTE Please see the related deletion discussions on WP:CRUFT related to ESI: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of potentially habitable moons and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Potentially Habitable Exoplanets Kepler Candidates (2nd nomination). jps ( talk) 23:12, 6 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep: notable subject even if (and I say if) currently not-so-well-sourced. The bulk of the list (i.e. at least which exoplanets are considered potentially habitable) is taken from the Habitable Exoplanets Catalog (check it on archive.org if presently down), maintained by an educational institution, which even a cursory Google search will show is considered something non-dismissable by various sources. The list itself had been yanked from the article shortly before its nomination for deletion; I have restored it and I hope it is allowed to stay there for the duration of this discussion, which will otherwise be pretty moot if the list is not there to delete. LjL ( talk) 20:09, 2 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The list is problematically referring to an unpublished original invention by the person who is maintaining that site, which is 100% WP:SELFPUB and therefore not a reliable source. We can easily incorporate the features which may indicate rockiness or existence of the planet in the habitable zone at List of exoplanets. This list is a combination of WP:SYNTH and WP:NOR. jps ( talk) 20:31, 2 April 2016 (UTC) reply
    • "The site" is actually a university's official website, so we really cannot say that whoever is maintaining those specific pages within the site is "self-publishing". LjL ( talk) 15:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Yes we can. It is owned by Méndez. That's who updates the website and he has full editorial control. jps ( talk) 00:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply
        • You sound quite familiar with this Méndez by the way you describe this. Hopefully you don't have a personal vendetta or other problem them because that would likely not make you very neutral about this whole set of articles you're trimming or trying to get deleted. LjL ( talk) 01:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply
          • • The guy is pretty visible in popularizing his ESI. That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. Only we can't take it as being more relevant than a popularization. Right now, it's being used incorrectly at Wikipedia to imply something like a consistent measurement, which it is not. It is merely the opinion on how "Earth-like" something is, and there are lots of ways to characterize that other than ESI. jps ( talk) 01:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply
              • How do we know this that Méndez is popularizing the ESI through the media? I mean do you have anything to cite this with? I'm actually quite intrigued about this now. But as I said below you are making it sound like we are doing a Conflict of intrest with this guy which (at least for me) is not the case. QuentinQuade ( talk) 04:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply
                • • I'll be honest It looks like the internet has never met Abel Méndez from PHL actually! A basic search shows the PHL/HEC website and some other booring profiles, However the 3rd result shows his twitter which quite frankly if it's real or not I cannot decide. But all in all I fall to see his names appear in a basic google search where I would expect click-bate exoplanetology related articles would appear, or even some scientific papers. Davidbuddy9  Talk  04:31, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply
                    • • Also I want to point out about the whole ESI Score controversy thing is that if we go to [24] and search for "Earth Similarity Index" a whole slew of peer reviewed papers will appear. Take this paper for example, A) Has no mention of Mendéz in it, B) It Mentions the Earth Simularity Index in the abstract, C) The use of the ESI is cited to Schulze-Makuch et al. 2011 which is a USD$55 Paper that you have to buy unfortunately, D) Even "Habitable Exoplanet Catalog" is mentioned as well. And the paper has been Accepted & Received Davidbuddy9  Talk  04:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

                        • • Two is not a "whole slew", and it's three if we count one that doesn't appear to be peer reviewed. [25] Alsee ( talk) 11:57, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

                          • Looking deeper in that google search if you click news the only mention of Mendez is in the article "Signs of Change in Cuba, by Rob Stuart" which leads my to wonder how was the concution made that Mendez was popularizing the ESI in the Media? QuentinQuade ( talk) 04:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply
                            • Ironically you brought up the idea that Méndez was popularizing the ESI Score through the media, previously it was just stated that he was popularizing it, not necessarily through 3rd party sources. You came up with it and I just went around looking for answers. The answer, the only way he can be popularizing the ESI Score is through his Website or Twitter. Davidbuddy9  Talk  04:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Understand that the paper Schulze-Makuch et al. 2011 has Méndez as a second author (I have access to the paper). It seems to be basically the only paper that describes ESI beyond passing mention. As for media related interactions: [26], [27], [28], [29]. Here is a debunking done by another astronomer: [30] and one done by Seth Shostak: [31] Good find on the MNRAS paper. I'm going to go digest it and come back later with comments on that. jps ( talk) 09:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Now fully digested. The paper indicates that ESI cannot be a stand-in for potential habitability. It is actually an argument in favor of WP:TNTing this page. jps ( talk) 19:01, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

But I never said that the ESI was a measurement of habitability. The ESI is a measurement of how similar an object is physically to the Earth, ie. Mass, Radius, Density, Location, Temperature etc. The closest index that I have seen for assessing habitability would be the Life Likability Index (LLI) which seems to be used exclusively only in Universe Sandbox². Davidbuddy9  Talk  04:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC) reply

You may never have said that, but the list we are discussing uses it as a stand-in. The fact that this approach is criticized means at the very least we shouldn't be using it as it is in this article, and if the list is kept I expect that we will remove the list of ESIs. Is that fair? jps ( talk) 02:12, 6 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep: Notable and adequately sourced. Note the deletion nomination of the companion article as well: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Potentially Habitable Exoplanets Kepler Candidates (2nd nomination) James J. Lambden ( talk) 03:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep This article has unsourced material but that's why I'm working on a new Table found here to address this. Not worthy of a deletion. Davidbuddy9  Talk  04:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Davidbuddy9 has significantly contributed to the article and is currently temp-banned for sockpuppetry. His sock's vote has been identified and discounted. Discounting Davidbuddy9's vote would be double jeopardy.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  15:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Davidbuddy9: I think your improvements will be welcome, but for my information, what is actually unsourced (regardless of supposed unreliability) about the current table? LjL ( talk) 15:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ LjL:I've complained on WP:AST about lack of citations, I cannot verify the SPH, HZD or HZA values and I cannot find answers anywhere! This is extremely frustrating especially when new exoplanets pop up and I add them in I don't know where to get those values so I was told to make a new table and to separate the exoplanets in the Conservative HZ and the Optimistic HZ which is the new table format approach that PHL/HEC is taking and I think should be adopted here too. Davidbuddy9  Talk  18:23, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

The reason that we lack citations is because these aren't things that any serious scientist takes as more than games. Wikipedia is being used right now to legitimize this, and that's not right. Your complaint is justified and the ESI and all the other arbitrary schemes need to be removed if this list is to be retained. jps ( talk) 00:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Wow, you make it sound like there is an inside job going around on Wikiproject Astronomy and that everyone is secretly working with this "Méndez" to secretly implanet the ESI into as many articles as possible. We use it here for a reason, not nessearly to jusify habitabilty but simply as a comparison of simularity between the Earth and these respective objects. QuentinQuade ( talk) 04:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Not at all. But it is undeniable that this particular score is being used uncritically in part because of Wikipedia's ill-advised decision to use it. jps ( talk) 09:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Strong Keep and/or Rename Per Earth Similarity Index's refs #2 & #3, ESI is not WP:OR, since it is used by 3rd party publications (assuming no COI). However, any ESI's on the List of potentially habitable exoplanets that are calculated by editors, not published in a reliable source, should either be removed or identified as such to the reader.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  17:41, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Comment Given comments above, this seems like a WP:COI issue and not a WP:OR issue and should be addressed to the editor(s) in question. A 3th party using ESI is entirely in the realm of what's allowed on WP, assuming the source of the information is accurately characterized and referenced.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  18:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

I don't think there is any claim being made that the article's contents have been written by someone who is also the creator of the sources, which would be a COI (but would also in fact constitute WP:OR). I think the claim is just that the Habitable Exoplanets Catalog is a self-published work (even though it's on the site of an academic institution and seems to be highly cited to me, so I don't agree) and not peer-reviewed enough. Even if this were true, of course, it wouldn't automatically make the article's subject unencyclopedic. LjL ( talk) 18:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC) reply

The ESI is a wholly different matter. If this page is based on the ESI it is problematic because ESI says basically nothing about habitability. The location in the habitable zone and the rockiness of the planet are the relevant things to consider according to experts. ESI is just one person's index about something similar to Earth. jps ( talk) 00:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Keep: Notable topic, per above Codrin.B ( talk) 07:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• I MIGHT reconsider. I am opening a new section below. DELETE burn it with fire. Wikipedia is not a WP:WEBHOST to mirror & promote the evolving fringe methodology of a single primary source. For starters if we kept it we'd have to move it to a valid title, which would be something more like University of Puerto Rico's Planetary Habitability Laboratory's ranking of exoplanets potentially habitable for earth-like life. And that pretty well indicates why this article is a disaster. The contents of the page are almost entirely arbitrary and speculative, and the page tries to justify it by defining the contents to be a mirror for the arbitrary, speculative, and evolving methodology of the single arbitrary primary source. We sure as hell shouldn't be rewriting the entire page as the single primary source evolves their latest methodology, and we sure as hell shouldn't have twenty pages just like this one if twenty different universities come up with twenty different arbitrary methodologies. If and when there is some stable and commonly accepted standard then we could consider that.

Secondly, this is a very short sighted page. A few years ago new planet discoveries were individually covered as newsworthy by many secondary sources, warranting full articles as permanently notable. Advancing technology is increasing the rate of exoplanet discovery exponentially. Currently we're at a brief point where a "list of" non-notable exoplanets has the appearance of being reasonable. However we cannot have indiscriminate lists of thousands or millions of non-notable exoplanets, which is where this is quickly headed. Wikipedia is not a catalog for basic statistics on an infinite number of non-notable astronomical bodies. Alsee ( talk) 20:55, 6 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete as certainly still questionable overall, certainly not convincing for its own article. SwisterTwister talk 04:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep, if and only if multiple independent sources addressing habitability are provided. bd2412 T 18:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I don't think that WP should identify an object as 'potentially habitable' in the absence of in-depth observational evidence published in refereed, mainstream journals. For example, I would have no problem with an article which describes Europa and Enceladus as potentially habitable because there are refereed, in-depth papers which argue that these worlds are capable of sustaining life. But we should be more cautious with sources which conclude that a planet could potentially be habitable given some assumptions, especially if those sources are not refereed. Whereas the scrutiny of the peer-review process forces scientists to be conservative when making new claims, a non-refereed source has much more intellectual freedom to ask "What if?" as a means of starting a discussion. This is how I view the (unrefereed) UPR website, and based on the available sources, I believe that this article is premature. Moreover, Alsee is right that this list will quickly become obsolete and unreasonably long. What seals the deal for me is the fact that this article (by its own admission) is simply reproducing information from the UPR's website. I don't see any need to duplicate this content. Astro4686 ( talk) 07:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete as seemingly based on arbitary speculation, not endorsed by any scientific agreement nor any peer-reviewed research. I agree that this is effectively self-published since no university exercises editorial control over what any academic may 'publish' in their own field, even more so for a website, which does not have peer review. Title itself is misleading and this AfD is more informative than the article about the real likelihood of 'habitability. Article is WP:OR if jps is correct above 'If this page is based on the ESI it is problematic because ESI says basically nothing about habitability'. I leave it to others with more expertise to see if there is anything rescu-able here. Pincrete ( talk) 18:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Comment A lot of the debate here seems to be focused on the belief that self-published are not acceptable. This is not completely true. Quoting WP:RS, "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications." DrChrissy ^(talk) 21:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

DrChrissy, I was aware of that when I left my post and meant to cover it. Self-published work, which has not been peer-reviewed and which represents a claim very distant from scientific consensus, can, at best, be phrased as person X claims, not using wiki-voice. Given present levels of understanding, an extremely high level of expertise would be required to substantiate predictions about habitability levels of these bodies. I don't think this person has that level of expertise, nor the 'publishing history' on this topic, even if they did, their claims would be better presented within the context of other claims and present knowledge level than 'floating in space'. At present the title and content are misleading I seriously wondered whether the AfD date, 1st April 2016 might have some connection to the article and little context is given. I made a point of saying that there MAY be savable material here, but I lack the expertise to know what it is. Pincrete ( talk) 21:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Pincrete, my comment was not directed specifically at you, but also at others who have made blanket statements which I am not convinced are supported by WP:RS. You make very good points in your reply, and it is points like these we need to take into consideration when considering whether the source is RS within the context it is being used. Thank you for taking the time to explain your position. DrChrissy ^(talk) 21:59, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Weak keep, but rename to List of exoplanets based on ESI. After looking deeply into this, I was unable to find any source which considers ESI an accepted rank of habitability, however it is a rank of something, I'm not sure what. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 23:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep but rename, verify, and improve. Something like List of exoplanets by ESI would work, and it needs better sourcing. The problems with this seem to be a) ESI is being used as a measure of alleged habitability, which is potentially fringe (it doesn't seem to be an approach with a lot of support in RS); and b) some of the figures in the table were arrived at by Wikipedians, which may be OR. The ways to resolve this would seem to be a) Don't promote it as a list of potentially habitable exoplanets, but a list of planets sorted by what we're sorting them by, and then include a paragraph on who sources A, B, and C think this relates to habitability, and sources X, Y, and Z do not; b) check the figures and the sources; doing basic math is not actually original research. Manipulating data to get an answer you like is; c) add more sources.  —  SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  03:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

I think List of potentially Earth-like exoplanets might be cleaner. There seems to be a consensus that these sources are for Earth similarities not necessarily habitability. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 15:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment Anything like List of exoplanets based on ESI badly fails WP:LISTN. ESI has negligible use or acceptance beyond the originator. It is extremely dubious to be presenting a list with this sort value at all, much less defining it as a notable listing in itself. Alsee ( talk) 05:13, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I came here fully expecting to vote a strong keep, then the powerful arguments by Alsee and Pincrete made me do a 180. The topic is interesting but this article really boils down to a mirror of one website. Renaming doesn't help that. Ifnord ( talk) 06:18, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep but rename to List of potentially Earth-like exoplanets. MartinZ02 ( talk) 10:28, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep and expand The topic is important as it is currently a major motivator in formal science objectives statements (within the USA and Australia at least) so it would be ridiculous to not include a page for the attempts at formalisation of habitability. Two things need to be added: a critical discussion of the various indexes listed, and a discussion (or further links to discussions) on the definition of habitability. I'd recommend looking at publications under or including US NASA researchers at the VPL such as V. Meadows. I'd also suggest to this community in general that when looking for publications in astronomy that NASA ADS website be used along with Google Scholar. Most of the previous statements about Dr. Mendez read like a personal attack rather than an attack on the validity of the index (other indexes are included here...) so I am suspicious of the motivation. Mendez' index and all other habitability indexes ARE topics of discussion within the exoplanet community and all are subject to very critical review. They are just as worthy of discussion on a wikipedia page as the similarly useless Drake Equation and there is no reason to omit a wiki page that attempts to apply them. 67.183.72.156 ( talk) 06:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep but move to List of potentially Earth-like exoplanets. Some scientists would argue every exoplanet is "potentially habitable", just not necessarily by Earth-like life. To get into a wild discussion about where life can or can't exist is pure speculation and does not belong in this article. That being said, it is a notable topic, and if reliably sourced, belongs on Wikipedia. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

MartinZ02, Smartyllama what would the inclusion criteria be for List of potentially Earth-like exoplanets? The current list is based on fictional temperature values of one person making up random albedo values and imaginary atmospheres, and for most planets uses fictional mass or radius values made up by that same person, and he then combines those made-up values into an complicated "earth-like formula" which has little usage beyond himself. That's the problem here - we have absolutely no viable list definition other than the current effort to make a list reflecting the wildly speculative work of one person. Alsee ( talk) 10:59, 19 April 2016 (UTC) P.S. it's not reliably sourced. It isn't peer reviewed, and while it is on a university domain name it appears that it's all self-published with no oversight. The list is basically a mirror webhost for basically one scientist's blog. Alsee ( talk) 11:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Pinging the delete votes to discuss: User:I9Q79oL78KiL0QTFHgyc User:SwisterTwister User:Astro4686 User:BD2412 User:Pincrete User:Ifnord, as well as article creator Davidbuddy9.

The article has been impressively improved. Almost all of the novel and speculative values are gone. It is still defined as single-sourced effectively to a single scientist, but we could change that definition to the Official NASA Exoplanet website. That is a far more authoritative source, and it would have a side-effect of cleaning up the remaining novel/speculative values. We could define it as confirmed planets only. The list is using "Habitable zone", which is indeed a scientifically accepted term for a planet with an orbital distance where water may be liquid. It is also effectively using a concrete min/max mass threshold. I'm not sure if we have good sourcing to justify that mass range. Hopefully Davidbuddy9 can comment on that. It looks like most of the problems have been fixed, or could be fixed through editing. I have one major reservation left. To quote the article, there are about 40 billion planets in the galaxy that could eventually end up on this list. The rate of new discoveries is growing exponentially. Is it really a good idea to keep a list that we know will soon expand out of control? And are there any other major concerns? Alsee ( talk) 07:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

I am a generalist, without the competence to judge the science. This area of science is inherently speculative, however the lack of context in the orig. (of HOW speculative, of to what degree endorsed, of preciseness with regard to 'habitability/specific defined similarities and whether these meant anything) + the reliance on single sources + poss. OR were what concerned me. A quick look at the article suggests context has been added. Reluctant to commit myself beyond endorsing that this is now much better, though renaming is still necessary. Pincrete ( talk) 12:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Alsee: There is currently not 40 billions planets on this list and there are larger lists on WP (like here) however you target the lists that are somewhat notable? WP:SIZE is not a problem there why would it be a problem here? Davidbuddy9  Talk  20:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment and for the last time please stop framing me as the article creater you make it seem like such a negative term. Davidbuddy9  Talk  20:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Alsee, we have agreed in the past, but I think you are wrong here. Your argument is "delete" because the future is coming? Valoem ^{talk contrib} 22:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Valoem if you look up the page I changed "delete" to "I might reconsider" because of the improvements. And the issue I am citing is that this list violates the list guidelines: To keep the system of lists useful, we must limit the size and topic of lists. The WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS example, List of exoplanets is already 2-3 times the split size and it's only going to keep growing at an accelerating pace. We can't have a list with 5k entries, 25k entries, 100k entries, or millions of entries. One badly planned list is not reason for a second. Can anyone propose any reasonable list definition that is compliant with list guidelines? Something limits the size of the list to manageable proportions?

And the other issue I asked about: We have a commonly accepted definition for habitable zone orbits, do we have any commonly accepted inclusion criteria for mass and/or radius? Alsee ( talk) 23:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply

"We have a commonly accepted definition for habitable zone orbits," Well actually the HZ varies depending on the author of the paper. I know this because it something complained about a lot between authors (in blogs and in papers), some are very conservative (like for example http://www.drewexmachina.com/) and others (like the Kepler team) seem to be more "optimistic". Although PHL (our favourite :) tried to turn these into two unified definitions, the measurements that are used between different people are inconsistant (EX, compare the S_seff of Wolf 1061 c here to here. EX 2 compare this back to that last PHL link.) Although these are needle in the haysack cases, commonly accepted definition for habitable zone orbits is only something we can dream about. Davidbuddy9  Talk  03:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Ah, I was perhaps optimistic assuming the well-accepted "habitable zone" concept had a reasonably accepted definition. I was impressed by your recent revisions and I was trying to find a way to solve this. We're left with a misleadingly titled "habitability" list with absolutely no commonly-accepted accepted criteria for inclusion. "List of planets that one person thinks might be habitable" is not a viable list. Alsee ( talk) 10:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Another note WP:TOOBIG recommends that article splitting should be considered at around ~50 kb, this article is only ~19 kb really no where near the WP:TOOBIG issue call me back when its ~45 kb please. Davidbuddy9  Talk  03:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete not notable. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable. All references are trivial quotes in news articles about cases in which they were involved; the news articles are about the victims and their cases. No independent coverage of this firm. Nothing better found in searching, except this one [ [32]] which isn't enough on its own. MB ( talk) 18:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete: Agreed. I was cleaning up the article prior to nominate here at AfD (to help people identify the notability and promo issues more easily) but it looks like you beat me to the punch. Clearly fails WP:GNG. Chrisw80 ( talk) 18:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete as I noticeably found nothing better and I should note I also planned either PROD or AfD, or both if necessary. Simply none of is imaginably better for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 18:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - Subject lacks independent coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains ( talk) 18:38, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete As above, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORP. Joseph2302 ( talk) 20:09, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete Apparently non-notable firm, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORP. Article probably promotional in intent. I could find nothing better on a search. Delete as per the various views above. DES ^(talk) 23:01, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete Noting that without the promotional material, there is little left. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 11:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete Only 22 lawyers and no significant cases. Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORP. Edwardx ( talk) 13:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete per discussion. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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article is not supported by current science; appears to be WP:OR

Delete: It's WP:PROFRINGE , not valid science, google search comes up with nothing. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 16:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete: There is no evidence in WP:SCIRS literature that ingested polyphenols ("phenolics") a) have definable roles in vivo or b) are "activated". On the contrary, polyphenols are extensively cleaved into smaller compounds whose fate is for rapid excretion. A similar article already exists, adequately explaining the state of science. There is no WP:MEDRS literature indicating any anti-disease benefit of a polyphenol-rich diet or benefit of polyphenols being "activated". The article as first written by Revitalizer appears to be an opinion essay not supported by reliable sources or clear definition. The article should be deleted. -- Zefr ( talk) 16:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete In addition to the objections already raised, "phenolics" is normally used to refer to phenolic resins, a type of polymer, and it is not at all clear why "phenolics" is being used instead of "polyphenols" here. Roches ( talk) 20:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete A content fork of Phenols. MarkBernstein ( talk) 20:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Redirect to Phenols. The article has been reduced to a stub after removing WP:PROFRINGE material and pretty much has no real claim to stand alone notability. Any reliably sourced material can be added to the already established article. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 21:21, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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delete nothing here folks; a made-up thing. Jytdog ( talk) 21:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete per MarkBernstein. Geogene ( talk) 20:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete per consensus -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:30, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't qualify for WP:NMAG. Sources are either self-published, dead links or from non-notable websites. Consensus needed for inclusion. Allahomora^{( talk)} 16:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - Page references unreliable sources and dead links. The RS that are included detail James Breese but not the page's subject, Strength Matters. Reese may be notable enough for a BLP but not his magazine. Meatsgains ( talk) 18:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete as the article is still questionable despite its current seemingly acceptable appearance and my searches also found nothing better. SwisterTwister talk 05:52, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Absence of reliable sources means that notability has not been established for either this company or its output. Fails to pass WP:CORPDEPTH or WP:NMAG. Drchriswilliams ( talk) 09:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete Fails Wikipedia:Notability (periodicals). James Breese might be notable, but not his magazine. Edwardx ( talk) 13:41, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete Per all of the above. VictoriaGrayson ^Talk 17:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. There is already a merge discussion on Talk:Persecution of Bahá'ís. Since this discussion doesn't advance an argument for deletion or redirection, I'm closing it per WP:SK#1. (non-admin closure) clpo13_{( talk)} 21:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Page should be merged with Persecution of Bahá'ís. ^Knowledge_Battle | ^Talk_Page | ^Godless_Infidel ┌┬╫┴┼╤╪╬╜ 15:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment Political accusations is not Persecution, there's a difference. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 15:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• opposed reliable sources have made the case of political accusations uniquely in this case. -- Smkolins ( talk) 16:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Smkolins: Hey there, that's not the point being made. I see you're Bahá'í, and I don't mean to bring offense – I understand that reliable sources have contributed to what makes up the article – the point is that the fundamental premise of the article already exists within the page Persecution of Bahá'ís. I see that some of the material could warrant the creation of a different page – specifically, Bahá'í conspiracy theories, just as there is Masonic conspiracy theories, Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory, New World Order (conspiracy), and others. However, this article fails many aspects of Wikipedia's guidelines, and would be better to merge with the Persecution of Bahá'ís page that already exists. ^Knowledge_Battle | ^Talk_Page | ^Godless_Infidel ┌┬╫┴┼╤╪╬╜ 20:39, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi, a telling point about such articles on conspiracy theories is who has them - in the case of the article discussed it is pretty exclusively those fostered by the Iranian government. BTW I'm not checking what religion you are or not. Relatively immaterial. The point is how sources characterize the situation. Persecution of Baha'is has happened in many other countries and contexts but few have ever developed a public presentation of such ideas and none except in the case of Iran are current or as long lasting. I've added a list of sources since 2011 that speak to the political character of the demagoguery. -- Smkolins ( talk) 20:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Smkolins: Well, I wear my lack of religion on my signature. ;-) ("Godless infidel") I definitely consider it an important and valuable thing to document real persecution of any religious group, by any country, because it helps shed light on religious persecution, which – when the country has political pressure applied to become more liberal – will bring greater religious freedom for all people, regardless of what religion they are. So, I certainly agree with documenting religious persecution. However, even if a Baha'i conspiracy theories page is created, it would still allow for that explanation – which is being pushed by the Iranian government – to be explained within the article (add an "Origins" subsection, to explain the persecution coming from the Iranian government). Trust me – as an atheist, I have NO intention of ever visiting Iran. However, Wikipedia guidelines should still be applied to any article. ^Knowledge_Battle | ^Talk_Page | ^Godless_Infidel ┌┬╫┴┼╤╪╬╜ 21:11, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

So do you want the article deleted, merged, or renamed? Why push all three ideas at the same time? -- Smkolins ( talk) 21:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by Anthony Appleyard,CSD G3: Blatant hoax. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Seems to be a prank. KConWiki ( talk) 15:12, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Move Move to WP:BJAODN ? ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 15:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete as an apparent hoax. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Speedy delete as obvious hoax/joke. Smartyllama ( talk) 18:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete no notability, no sources. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:35, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable. Created by SPA with probable COI, given that the first revision was just a pasted promotional blurb. Citobun ( talk) 14:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete - Non-notable game with no significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains ( talk) 19:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete As Per nom. Non-notable game. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 21:59, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete due to lack of notability. ZettaComposer ( talk) 12:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete as nothing for at least basic notability. SwisterTwister talk 06:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. All villiages, towns etc are all kept per GEOLAND (non-admin closure) – Davey2010 ^Talk 23:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not deserve to be at wikipedia because in my research I did not find a single perfect source. Aamir 121 ( talk) 12:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

While research I found many websites have copy pasted from wikipedia because this article has been there for more than 5 years but it was survived by wrong references. It must be deleted Qalchoun ( talk) 13:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)— Qalchoun ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Struck vote by blocked sock puppet. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia and word trust or verified go along with each other. The article was created by mentioning wrong sources. The articles was sustaining because of those wrong references and being situated in far aeea it hardly caught wikipedias eye. So, I vote for deletion of the page Aamir 121 ( talk) 12:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Hundreds of articles better than these get delted because of poor sources and amazingly this page is exception. Should be deleted Ambivertt ( talk) 12:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC)— Ambivertt ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

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• strong Delete As per WP:GNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aamir 121 ( talk • contribs) 12:57, 9 April 2016 (UTC) — Aamir 121 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

Each individual can only add one "delete" post - it's fine to add additional comments, but not with a "delete" or "keep" or other "vote" (and also note that it is not actually a vote. -- bonadea contributions talk 13:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

It does not exist at all. Tripnot ( talk) 13:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC)— Tripnot ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Struck vote by blocked sock puppet. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Yes it does - see below. -- bonadea contributions talk 13:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Speedy Delete as fails pretty much every notability guideline, possibly doesn't exist. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 13:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Weak keep Keep - notability assumed per WP:GEOLAND. Please have a look at the article's history - it has had sources showing that it does, in fact, exist; see e.g. this information. There are also different spellings of the name, as seen in the original version of the article. The article needs a lot of rewriting because it is in quite a poor state right now, and it might be the case that the village turns out not to be individually notable. The number of brand new accounts showing up at this AfD to !vote for its deletion, and the fact that some of the other SPA accounts have been removing information and references from it over the past few years doesn't help their case, though. -- bonadea contributions talk 13:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Amending my !vote per the discussion linked by clpo13 below. -- bonadea contributions talk 17:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Bondea I think you have not contemplated about the thing that the referenence shown were wrong and did not support the village Aamir 121 ( talk) 14:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

They were certainly not all high quality references and at least one of them is apparently about a different place, but in my view and based on this I believe that the references that have now been restored do seem to support notability. -- bonadea contributions talk 14:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Mam, matter is not of referrences alone . The fact is why village like this will be on wiki which is of no importance? Then here are almost 7000 villages . Will wikipedia enlist them all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aamir 121 ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment Based on their behavior, I am going to block Tripnot and Qalchoun as sockpuppets of Aamir 121. I defer judgment on Ambivertt, who is perhaps more like a meatpuppet. -- Randykitty ( talk) 14:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep per WP:GEOLAND. It appears to exist as a place, which is enough for Wikipedia. clpo13_{( talk)} 15:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Keep per wp:GEOLAND, or merge to a list. Do we have an explicit guideline about villages ... there are hundreds of thousands in South Asia ... I personally think they're notable as much as any high school is. But probably it would be better to create List of villages in Kupwara district and cover this in a section or a table-row there. Organize the list of villages by "block", and split the list if/when it grows too large. By the way in the article there is mention of fixing the "bund" or "bunk" of the river, is "banks of the river" or "riverbank" what is intended? -- do ncr am 18:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

I think 'bund' means a form of flood defence, doncram. A concrete bundh is referred to in the article about the village here. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Thanks! It's not in some dictionaries, but then I find my way to "Bundhs are special types of perennial and seasonal tanks or impoundments where riverine conditions are simulated during monsoon months. The bundhs are ordinarily of two categories, viz., a perennial bundh commonly known as “Wet bundh” and a seasonal one called “Dry bundh”, from http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/t0555e/t0555e08.htm. -- do ncr am 19:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

I don't know of any specific guideline or policy, but I did find this old village pump discussion suggesting there's long-standing consensus that villages are notable, so long as there's evidence they exist. clpo13_{( talk)} 19:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Speedy Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Referenced as an Indian village (Bohipora or Buhipora): http://www.census2011.co.in/data/village/58-buhi-pora-jammu-and-kashmir.html. Vipinhari || talk 19:17, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep per Vipinhari. The place is real, although the article needs to be cleaned up. Bradv 20:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep. Verifiable human settlement that is notable per WP:GEOLAND. Wikipedia requires that sources be reliable, not perfect. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Strong Delete There are thousands of villages out there, and having an article for every single village makes no sense. Furthermore, IMO, this article does not meet the Notability guideline. Wasiq 9320 ( talk) 12:01, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep per WP:GEOLAND. This place is included in official census data, and government-recognized places are notable. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction• Creation} 13:59, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep as per GEOLAND. It's a real population center. There are "thousands of villages out there" just as there are thousands of towns in the US and UK of smaller population yet we make zero effort to delete those. This is looking like WP:BIAS. -- Oakshade ( talk) 01:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete-- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Famous for only one thing. Alligators1974 ( talk) 11:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Weak Delete As per nom. If passes WP:GNG then keep. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 13:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Weak Delete as above. I found several sources to improve the article (expanding on the movie - he was the only boy from England, he was the only actor that improvised his speaking role, etc.) But I won't bother improving the article since it's still not notable. Most notable mentions post-acting is as an executive for Mars candy, he "built" a candy factory in Russia and has been an executive for Bristol Myers Squibb in Russia. MB ( talk) 19:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete as this seems to suggest he has nothing for solid independent notability, no compelling improvements. SwisterTwister talk 04:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete unsourced. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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No references at all, PROD removed. Google search seems to reveal nothing, same goes for Google news. There seems to be absolutely no single page about this tour on the internet, except this article. Laber□ ^T 10:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Speedy Delete as per nom. A possibly upcoming tour from a very minor rapper is not notable. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 12:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete per WP:V and WP:CRYSTAL. ~ Kvng ( talk) 13:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 22:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai ( talk) 09:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete: Whenever I see a stub article on a minor-league, high school or amateur hockey player that claims the player won some minor honor, I think "Must be one of Dolovis'." In this case, as unfortunately usual, I'm right. Fails WP:NHOCKEY, no evidence of meeting the GNG beyond routine sports coverage explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE. Ravenswing 10:59, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Articles seems to be premature to be here. Not enough sources to verify. Zedopuppy ( talk) 21:53, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 22:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai ( talk) 09:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete: Whenever I see a stub article on a minor-league, high school or amateur hockey player that claims the player won some minor honor, I think "Must be one of Dolovis'." Fails WP:NHOCKEY, no evidence of meeting the GNG beyond routine sports coverage explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE. Ravenswing 11:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Comment & Delete: Till now not enough sources are present to notability guidelines. Zedopuppy ( talk) 21:52, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete as per discussion. -- Anthony Bradbury ^"talk" 12:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Article PRODded with reason: "Not notable candidate for local office, does not meet WP:POLITICIAN." De-PRODded by article creator without reason given. PROD reason still stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 08:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete Candidate for a local election, fails WP:NPOLITICIAN and WP:GNG. Joseph2302 ( talk) 09:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • If I read this correctly, he is a candidate for the State legislative assembly, equivalent to a US State Legislature. Should he win, he would clearly pass WP:NPOL. Simply being such a candidate is not enough, but it may be enough when combined with other coverage. has anyone done a WP:BEFORE search to find such coverage if it exists? I see there are at least a few mentions in what i recognize as major newspapers in India. The current article is not well-written, and is a bit promotional in tone, but that can be cured by normal editing. I don't think that the case for deletion has been thoroughly stated as yet. DES ^(talk) 15:39, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• A Google search doesn't bring up any coverage more substantial than the in-passing mentions that are already in the article. At this point, it is impossible to know whether he'll win a seat in the state legislature or not, so at best, this is WP:TOOSOON. -- Randykitty ( talk) 16:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Agreed, I believe that if elected it is a state legislator, and so he would then pass WP:NPOLITICIAN. Joseph2302 ( talk) 18:17, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Promotion piece, not elected to anything yet. ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 12:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails WP:POLITICIAN as an unelected candidate and no other convincing claim to notability is made. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete since he fails WP:POLITICIAN as of now. OK to create later if he wins the assembly election. Vipinhari || talk 19:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Draftify pending the election outcome. No need to throw out all of the current content, that which is properly sourced can be kept in draft-space until the election result is known. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 10:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Move to draftspace per above- their notability depends on the election result. Joseph2302 ( talk) 10:32, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment I assume that those !voting to draftify this stub have looked at the references and noticed that at least two do not mention this person and the others are either not independent or only mention him in passing. Basically, "all of the current content" that can be verified is that he's a candidate and chairman of an apparently rather minor government-owned company. -- Randykitty ( talk) 10:55, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Planescape. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 16:09, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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An impressive and informative article on a fictional place that nonetheless does not satisfy our notability requirements. It cites no reliable sources independent of the game's publishers, nor do I think it likely that any could be found. This article would make a great addition to a wiki dedicated to the D&D universe, but I don't see how it fits our own inclusion criteria. Psychonaut ( talk) 08:17, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep It is part of a very notable game, and is a fairly major part to understanding D&D. It could be added to a list, like List of Realms in Dungeons and Dragons . ThePlatypusofDoom ( talk) 12:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Note that notability is not inherited. Can you offer any independent sources that specifically cover this fictional place? (Also, there is no way that this article is of such importance that the comprehensibility of our core articles on D&D would be impaired by its absence. IIRC the Outlands are discussed only in optional rulebook supplements and the like.) — Psychonaut ( talk) 14:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep or merge to Planescape. It was one of the locations in the video game Planescape: Torment, so it is possible that some of the sources in either of those articles may discuss this topic as well. BOZ ( talk) 15:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Planescape; it is possible that a brief summary might be merged there if there are suitable references. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 17:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Planescape or Sigil (Dungeons & Dragons), or delete. This only has two sources both published by the same company as a commercial product. Outer Plane is another redirect option, but that article is also seriously lacking in reliable independent sources. Ditto Plane (Dungeons & Dragons), and probably several others. Per Psychonaut, if this hasn't already been exported to a D&D specific Wiki, it really should be. Grayfell ( talk) 19:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Merge to Planescape. I've found a brief mention in Computer Gaming World in a review for Planescape: Torment so far. — Torchiest ^talk _edits 16:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Ignoring the socks, there is a clear consensus to delete. MelanieN ( talk) 00:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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WP:COI and WP:PROMO issues. Single source, and what the source says is mis-stated (it says the company was a finalist to be on the list, not that it made the list). No real evidence of WP:NOTABILITY. JamesG5 ( talk) 07:57, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete as simply nothing at all better convincing for any applicable notability, this is expected from several believing the article is acceptable but I can see it's not yet. SwisterTwister talk 05:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep Topic is edited ans passes WP:COI and WP:PROMO issues. It is edited to remove any misconception about the achievement of the company. There are enough independent sources. For years the company has been known in India and recognized by various recognized institutions for its achievements. Tweak and copy edit the article rather than delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John2021 ( talk • contribs) 13:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Two new editors seem to be editing only this article/AFD and Silicon India... In any case, no evidence of notability, despite the deceivingly impressive-looking list of references in the article. -- Randykitty ( talk) 17:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• comment & keep . Editor is active from last few years from the logs, not for just 2 articles but done active participation in Indian related business activity and development from neutral point of view. Editor follows Wikipedia norms and considers all the criteria for article appropriateness. The comment is biased for an editor. Silicon India follows the notability guidelines. It is not only popular media source but millions of users and various media institutions (popular and recognized) covers news from Silicon India Sources.

• Comment One !vote per editor. Please note that "Light21" is Exioms2050. -- Randykitty ( talk) 18:38, 11 April 2016 (UTC) Note: This comment was made because Exiom2050 deceptively signed the previous (now unsigned) comment as "Light21". -- Randykitty ( talk) 08:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Comment Editor is aware of One vote per editor. Vote is edited and deleted. Personal message is sent from the user as a "Warning". Respecting editor choice is freedom Wikipedia provides. User is trying to be bias with the opinion or editing process in the article & misleading arguments are presented. Privacy or name is an editor choice which Wiki community respects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exioms2050 ( talk • contribs)

• Delete. Just PR gush. Xxanthippe ( talk) 23:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC). reply

*comment Fake ID is created Xxanthippe ( talk) to dilute the matter or infringement of Voting process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exioms2050 ( talk • contribs) 07:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Disruptive comment struck, editor blocked for 31 hours for disruptive editing. -- Randykitty ( talk) 08:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete No evidence of WP:CORP notability, just trivial mentions and press releases. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:09, 12 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep There are articles written in a similar context and similar kind of references are given. It clears the Wikipedia criteria for WP:CORP WP:COI and WP:PROMO . There are abundance of cases from all over the world in Wikipedia who relies on secondary (likely) media sources as mentioned in Exioms such as techcrunch, mashable, gigaom , arstechnica , Engadget , The Next Web. There are some globally significant names also Apple Inc, Microsoft which relies or covered by such media. Some of the references are from Category Companies established in 2010 worldwide can be found. Few companies do not provide any values as per the references but are originated from particular geographical regions and covered by local media Adzerk, AdKeeper, Adonit About.me and kept as article within Wikipedia without any obligations. Exioms is covered by media which is recognized globally and their referenced are used in Wikipedia article creations as well. Examples are paytm, snapdeal, facebook, linkedin All content or articles are treated equal and with same significance if considered for deletion. It does not use promotional language or any advertising tone to the notability of article. Eraplackal 08:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC) — Eraplackal ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment: Brand new user, only edit to the article in question. Also added unsourced information that calls into question the neutrality of this vote.-- Cahk ( talk) 08:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

From their use of English, this is a rather obvious sock of Exioms2050 (now Light2021). I am going to block them accordingly. -- Randykitty ( talk) 09:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete, found in a reference on Red Herring: The Red Herring Awards Scam. – Be..anyone 💩 19:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Comment: It does not provide anything significant with article written from a blog? No credibility to the source itself. If that's the case every article written on Wikipedia that mentioned Red Herring must be deleted and treated equally. References: Elance, BitTorrent (company), IndiaMART, ixigo, youtube SunTec Business Solutions and thousands of other companies listed in Wikipedia. List of companies are easily found on wikipedia search. Even the Red Herring Article Red Herring (magazine) must be deleted. Apart from this Article mentioned as being a finalist, Exioms has given other credible sources for its notability. John2021 ( talk) 21:16, 16 April 2016 (UTC) Obvious sock of User:Light2021. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 00:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Comment: Above comment is from another brand new user whose first action was to jump in to that article & this discussion, and who, like some of the others here, has been engaged in other questionable editing relating to Indian tech businesses. Between the editing pattern & language usage this appears to be another sock. JamesG5 ( talk) 23:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Zedopuppy, who repeated John2021's attempted close is almost certainly a sock too, but it's late and I'm too tired to file an SPI report now - I've just duck blocked the two of them for sockpuppetry instead, and I've semi-protected this page against edits from unconfirmed accounts. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 23:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

And the likely master just did this shortly after I blocked a sock - I might file an SPI once I've had some sleep. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 00:13, 17 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 12:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Most of the link are PR. Some notability asserted, but on the edge Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:07, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply

The Managed Security Service page references the "13 most significant vendors" in a Forrester Research report, and one of those is Solutionary. Of those 13, all but Solutionary have their own Wikipedia entry, and five are already linked-to by the Managed Security Service article. I have identified at least two other Wikipedia articles which also reference Solutionary. Rdb112 ( talk) 19:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - This would need further available in-depth third-party sources overall to be a better notable and acceptable article. SwisterTwister talk 06:09, 13 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Not notable and promotional.No actually substantial sources. We should probably look at the other articles also. There are several hundred thousand of articles in WP accepted in earlier years when the standards were lower that we need to either upgrade or remove. The least we can do is not add to them. DGG ( talk ) 07:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. non-notable, spam posted by his management Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:25, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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Repeatedly created autobiography lacking in WP:RS and of questionable notability. If more/better sources aren't provided its value is questionable. JamesG5 ( talk) 06:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Updating to note the page's creator just stated it's the subject's management company, so clearly promotional. JamesG5 ( talk) 06:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete A brief mention in one weekly alternative newspaper is way short of what's needed to establish notability, and that's all we've got. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply
• Speedy delete This looks like a proper article on the surface, but it is highly promotional and I don't think there is a single RS out there. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 07:51, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

• Note I have reduced the promotional tone somewhat. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 08:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC) reply

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