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For your work at The Holocaust in Bulgaria (formerly Rescue of the Bulgarian Jews). Bob not snob ( talk) 05:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC) |
The Resilient Barnstar | |
I admire your astounding resilience with which you approach criticism directed at you. You don't edit war, but expand articles significantly, and as to me really well sourced to make a point. Just brilliant. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 22:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC) |
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Guerillero
Parlez Moi 15:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Guerillero This is wrong on both counts! I have made thousands of constructive edits and this is simply shooting the messenger! You cannot possible have had time to look into all those diffs; so this is just reflexive. GPinkerton ( talk) 15:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
What I do know, again, is that Guerillero will not have made this call lightly. I am not familiar with what led to the block but I know you a little bit now and I'm sorry to say that I am not surprised. I do not think you are a net negative, and I think that an unblock request can be successful, but you need to drop the urgency and let go of the immediate need to get back to those articles or whatever (we're not the news anyway), and then draft a good request. As long as your desire to edit seems to be driven by the apparent need to right something that's wrong, and as long as that seems to go at the expense of normal procedures and collegial behavior, you are probably not going to be successful. Note: I am talking about appearances, and in the happy absence of much factual knowledge here. Feel free to me ping me if you think I can be of help--but please keep in mind that above all else I prefer economy; few words are best. Good luck. Drmies ( talk) 01:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been blocked for raising a report about problematic editing at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Intractable_problem_still_unaddressed_and_unabated;_administrator_action_deficient. I cannot be right that a serious problem be dealt with by indefinitely blocking the user that reported it and who has not been involved in it at all. Indeed, the blocking administrator cannot possibly have had time to read my report before deciding (quite against the ample evidence presented to the contrary) that I was the one not contributing constructively, and so this was clearly done reflexively, without judging the merits of the case and basically on prejudice. This has been a recurring theme in the mishandling of this entire issue. Below is the report:
I believe a very serious case of WP:CRUSH, WP:SEALION, and WP:TENDENTIOUS is afoot, and has been in progress for some time concerning Syrian Kurdistan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs). It has been claimed that the bad temper of the content dispute has made it impossible to determine that this is happening. I do not agree that this is the case. Briefly, the issue concerns a propaganda line, dreamt up in the 1960s by the national socialist Ba'ath Party rulers of the Second Syrian Republic, which stated that the Kurdish-majority and oil-rich provinces in the extreme north were not historically Kurdish and that the Kurdish inhabitants were without exception illegal immigrants from Turkish Kurdistan. Though many were refugees or their descendants from the wars of the end of the Ottoman Empire, the Arab nationalist Ba'athists decided to ignore longstanding Kurdish settlement in Syria and what is now al-Hasakah Governorate, which were Kurdish majority at the beginning of the French Mandate of Syria and Lebanon. This unequivocal fact is stated numerous times by all reliable sources.
Furthermore, it is directly reported by unimpeachable sources that this xenophobic and racist propaganda was purpose-built and deployed specifically for the purpose of the Ba'athist ethnic cleansing campaign in Syrian Kurdistan known as the
Arab Belt. This too is well-evidenced by top-tier academic sources. However, a significant coterie of editors, whose members have been previously heavily active in Syrian civil war articles and repeatedly blocked for ethno-nationalistic edit warring in middle east topics generally, has emerged on the talk page of that article who repeat this nonsense as fact and are tenaciously distorting primary sources to (not-really-)agree with this nationalist claim. Evidence for all of this is abundant, yet no serious action has been taken, and the problem remains unacknowledged and unmitigated. The narrative continues to be presented as fact using wilfully misinterpreted primary sources and
argumentum ex silentio in secondary sources while ignoring or dismissing as kurdish pov
every and all reliable source. This has now been going on for many weeks and urgent action is desperately needed, just as it was when this issue first came to ANI more a month ago! So far little more than washing of hands and complaints about incivility have ensued; it is obvious actual steps need to be taken in a clear direction: away from the nationalist POV-pushing, which needs to be put permanently to an end.
GPinkerton (
talk) 22:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Irrefutable evidence the narrative pushed on the talk page, of Kurds as foreigners in Syrian territory, is nothing but Arab Nationalist racism
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Added some background info and number)
"Who says northern Syria is Western kurdistan?")
"Updated regional coverage per established sources, not POV outlets")
Besides Syrian Kurdistan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Arab Belt ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), there may be large numbers of article where this POV push is going on, in Syrian Civil War- and Kurdistan-related issues, including over place names in disputed territories in Syria and other parts of the Middle East (Golan Heights, Jerusalem, etc. See contributions and block logs of involved users, including on Wikimedia Commons). See more discussions and diffs at:
I hope this is enough for someone to take this entrenched problem seriously. I can produce incontrovertible evidence that all of these claims these editors have been arguing are false, and I believe I have done so in the section above; further details are available on request. GPinkerton ( talk) 16:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)}}
GPinkerton ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
(see above)
Decline reason:
Declined per WP:NOTTHEM, WP:STICK, WP:IDNHT. I have moved the above overlong unblock request out of the unblock template because it nearly broke the template. Sandstein 20:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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Sandstein Is it proper for you to respond to this request, since you are already part of the dispute? I have a feeling this should be examined by an WP:UNINVOLVED administrator, rather than one who has already made their position on whether I should bother reporting abuse plain. GPinkerton ( talk) 20:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
GPinkerton ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Having been blocked for making a report to WP:AN about inadequate administrator action in regard to users' behaviour on Syrian Kurdistan and numerous related articles, (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Intractable_problem_still_unaddressed_and_unabated;_administrator_action_deficient), I propose that I be unblocked on condition that I do not make any further such reports. GPinkerton (talk) 21:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You're still talking about others' actions as much as yourself, and still pulling in the issues that led to the block - the mass walls of text above and the multiple, over and over, noticeboard ranting are symptoms, not the disease. You have very clearly established that you are here to right great wrongs and not to collaboratly build an encyclopedia. You should have dropped the stick some time ago - if you believe there's a massive problem, but nobody else acts on it when you repeatedly bring it up, the answer is to accept that consensus is against you, not to continually rant about it and make demands - which you still are here since your block. My advice is that you take a deep breath, take a wikibreak for a week or so, and then come back with a clear head, assess your behavior and how that resulted in your being blocked, and then calmly explain how those reflections will allow you to avoid a repeat performance. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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GPinkerton ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I think I am ready to return to editing. I recognize that I have handled disputes poorly and I will endeavour to avoid conflict like that in future. I am willing to undertake to follow whatever restrictions or recommendations are proposed. I have always been here to build the encyclopaedia and I see that my actions recently have obscured that and got in the community's way. GPinkerton (talk) 01:08, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Accept reason:
The blocking admin has proposed a topic ban, which GPinkerton promised to adhere to. Took a while, but glad we got this sorted. El_C 00:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
You know what? This (latest) unblock request actually makes sense to me. It's brief but it's good. Myself, I've only a passing familiarity with GPinkerton (in so far as me noticing active editors on my ~100,000 page watchlist), but my impression of him is of a content editor of the first order. I have never gotten a sense that he was on the project to right great wrongs, certainly not to the point of being NOTHERE. So, I'm willing to accept that the disruption and bludgeoning that led him to be sanctioned were episodic rather than systemic in nature. It may well be true that the problems GPinkerton claims to have identified in the topic area are real and acute, but that for whatever reason (say, shortage of volunteer hours), review mechanisms have failed him. And so, frustration set in, leading to the misconduct which brought on the block/s. Anyway, if GPinkerton's representation of the issues facing the topic area are accurate, eventually, someone else ie likely to bring em up. But, hey, it may take years to sort out, if at all. I know, lot of hypotheticals — sorry for digressing. My proposal: I am willing to lift the block, so long as the blocking admin is amenable (ping: Guerillero), with a topic ban from the topic area being imposed for a minimum of one year. That said, I would be remiss in neglecting to mention that a couple of matters give me pause. First, one problem with this (3rd) unblock request is that it was submitted a mere 2 days after the last one, which feels a bit rushed — 2 weeks would have been better. But, meh enough. What is more concerning is the block log, which is entirely filled with a recent succession of blocks and unblocks. I mean, this is as last chance saloon as it gets. But what can I say? I'm a hopeless optimist. El_C 23:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Here is my offer. El C might offer you a better one, but this is mine. A 1 year topic ban from post-1453 middle east. After 6 months of issue free editing under the topic ban, approach me with a single article that you would like to improve (that is reasonable) and a plan to improve it and I will give you a carve out for that article. If you can show that you can edit without problems for six months and a carve out, I would be happy to lift the topic ban early. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 02:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Islam and post-1453 CE middle east. Do I have an answer to your questions about this or that article? No, not immediately, sorry. It's probably better to ask Guerillero or Valereee about these, in any case, as they both are far more familiar with the nature of your dispute/s in so far as applying common sense to the terms of the ban as stated above. My role here was more narrowly to have unlocked the door by placing your unblock request on hold, and now I am standing ready to open said door once you give me the go ahead. Anyway, generally, I would advise you to err on the side of caution. Mind you, as far as borderline pages go, if you make uncontentious changes, it's likely that no one would end up caring. Still, I hope you are able to beware and be aware of the danger signs (whichever these are) of faltering in that. Finally, the reason I am advocating for a Kurdish (overall) DS, which I argue would serve editors better than the current coverage provided by the GS, is the following: first, the GS in this case is limited — for example, obviously, the pre-civil war relationship between the Ba'athist state and the Kurds precedes and falls outside the scope of WP:GS/SCW (granted, for articles other than Syrian Kurdistan, where the GS is already in effect). And second and equally important, AE, the reporting mechanism provided for DS violations, is a superior platform to AN and ANI, the reporting mechanisms provided for GS violations. El_C 04:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
GP, from a very brief glance at that RfC, this part of your comment: for just about anything touching Turkey's politics, its foreign relations, its wars, and its president would definitely be over the line. IMO simply participating in that discussion wouldn't; a Turkish news source arguably is not inherently part of the middle east. I'm sure you could find a way to comment without mentioning Turkey. But it might be seen at minimum as gaming the system. And the closer the source gets to the topic, the more likely simply participating would violate the tban. Obviously you shouldn't participate in discussion of the reliability of a book about Turkey. I'm not going to be hopping along behind you watching for you to put a foot over the line, but I'm guessing someone out there will. If they reported it to me, I'd likely give you a warning as long as I thought the violation was unintentional or you'd already reverted yourself. But not everyone gives warnings when they feel the person has already been adequately warned, including via discussions like this one. So, yes, topic bans stink. —valereee ( talk) 13:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Islam and post-1453 CE middle east? El_C 18:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
post-1453 CE middle east? I think Supreme Deliciousness's edit on that page should be reverted. GPinkerton ( talk) 05:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Cullen328 Regarding
this edit I am going to point out that I asked specifically whether Hagia Sophia was included and an admin told me that that would be possible.
Guerillero
told me specifically that 1453, which would give you access to the whole
Byzantine Empire
was the scope, while another admin gave a definition of Middle East that (correctly) excludes any part of Europe or the
Balkan Peninsula, where Hagia Sophia and the whole ancient city of Constantinople stood.
Ealdgyth
said keep it in the Middle East countries though - Hellespont and east of that. I'd lean post-1453 ...
.
The eventual wording appears to be informed by this, and I certainly did not fall into the trap of using Wikipedia's definition as evidence, especially not resorting to citing an article with few citations and labelled as such, and of which none verify that any part of Europe is in the Middle East; the talk page is replete with people asking for this unverified claim about partly in Southeast Europe
to be removed from the lead. The article
Balkans (by the same reasoning) only sparingly uses the term "Middle East" and only ever as a region different to Europe and the Balkans, which is where Constantinople was during the Byzantine Empire – the whole extent of which was specifically excluded from the extent of the topic ban by the blocking and ban-imposing admin. There has never been any suggestion I should be topic banned from editing any part of Roman history, and all my (recent) edits to that page concern Byzantine-period Constantinople, which is exclusively in Europe and exclusive of post-1453 CE Middle East
.
Nil Einne is not right to say that I claim they weren't aware the topic ban was intended to cover at Hagia Sophia post-1453 when they were explicitly aware it was proposed partly in response to concerns over their editing of the topic
. The exact opposite is the case; I am saying the topic ban was not formulated to exclude the Byzantine cathedral in the Roman period, which the RfC I began concerns. Discussion here proves that I asked for and got assurances from multiple administrators that editing within the scope of the empire was legitimate, that the empire's end marks the beginning of the topic ban, and that the definition of Middle East being discussed did not arbitrarily and unusually include parts of a European peninsula. I specifically stated several times that I wanted to continue working on Hagia Sophia, and that even though I have written most of its Ottoman-period history and its modern history, I wanted to continue to improve the pre-Ottoman parts of the article, and from what I was told, I understood that this was allowed.
Page tools shows that even after months of editing away from the article, no-one has come and removed any of the nearly half of the article that was written by me (the better half, I might add). As such, I think the RfC should be restored, and the reliably sourced information not kept out of the article for no reason. Look at how the equivalent matter is handled at Constantinople – is that "disruptive"? Isn't my version rather better than that POV stuff? GPinkerton ( talk) 18:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
false and misleadingto say "New York is not part of Canada" just because New York is even closer to Canada than Hagia Sophia is to (Americans' definition of ) the Middle East? Surely not. Surely no topic ban from Canada would apply to any part of New York. GPinkerton ( talk) 19:18, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
post-1453 CE, a scope which excludes by an reasonable understanding the events of early 1453 and their subsequent reception in Europe! GPinkerton ( talk) 19:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
eastof the
Hellespont, a commonplace understanding that the modern Middle East excludes Europe. Asian Turkey might be in the modern Middle East, but European Turkey is in Europe, on the Balkan peninsula. In any case, before
post-1453 CEthe European city of Constantinople is not at all in the Middle East and, most would say Fatih is not in the modern Middle East either, remaining as it has in Europe.
post-1453 CEperiod.
"Turkey" (as in the post-1923 Republic of) is often labelled a Middle Eastern country in past few decades'. Do you accept the label of the post-1923 Republic of Turkey as a Middle Eastern country, at least when it comes to the topic ban? Nil Einne ( talk) 20:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
nearly everyone, can you name specific editors that have stated that the original scope of the topic ban as imposed was wrong and should not be considered when I'm being falsely accused of breaking it by those who disagree with my edits for ideological reasons? GPinkerton ( talk) 21:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Here's my modified earlier reply. (You can see my original in the sandbox if you really want, I wrote that before reading any of your follow up replies including to Cullen here, or replying myself.) Good on you for the previous improvements to the article, and I'm serious about that it's not sarcasm. However it doesn't excuse violations of your topic ban. If you think it does, that's probably part of the reason you have problems.
You were specifically told "pre-1453 history
" in relation to Hagia Sophia. I'd put to you just like you put below that something that occurred in 1453 is explicitly not pre-1453 history. Yeah technically your topic ban did say post, but since you're making such a big deal of following what you were told, if you wanted to quibble at the edges of whether stuff occurring during 1453 was covered why didn't you do so when you were explicitly told it should be pre-1453 history for Hagia Sophia?
You also seem to be disputing that Hagia Sophia should be covered by a Middle East topic ban, yet your earlier questions and indeed the formulation of the topic ban itself proves that Hagia Sophia was explicitly intended to be covered. Putting aside the precise date, it's illogical to say that you asked and were told only stuff after and not including 1453 Hagia Sophia were covered, while simultaneously saying it wasn't covered anyway since it not part of the Middle East. If you had wanted to dispute whether Hagia Sophia was in the Middle East and so should have been covered, again the time to dispute it was when you were told it was at least for some time, rather than now 2 months later and after you decided to edit it despite having been told it was covered. My history on the area isn't anywhere as good as yours, but I'm fairly sure Hagia Sophia hasn't moved so that can't be the reason. Discounting stuff like shifting of the tectonic plates and the earth's rotation and orbit of the sun, and the sun's orbit of the Milky Way and (yes I can nit pick too).
And here we get to the crux of the matter. Yes I was asking leading questions, it was intentional as I said because I wanted to see how you understood the topic ban. You're now clearly disputing whether even post-1923 Turkey should be considered a Middle Eastern country when it comes to the topic ban. Here's the part I didn't mention until now. Earlier at 14:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC) on this very page, you said "It's not the Middle East but various Middle Eastern countries (especially Turkey) involved themselves
". I'm native English speaker and I find no way to parse that other than an acknowledgment that Turkey is a Middle Eastern country. I was originally AGFing maybe I simply misunderstood your current position and was simply going to post with that assumption. But decided to check and it's clear I don't.
Maybe you've changed your mind. That's your right but here's the thing. When you did so, you should have queried which definition was meant to apply. Please don't tell me you forgot you once held that opinion. (You clearly forgot you expressed that opinion, that's not the point.) Yes this was in relation to Turkey in 2020 but please don't waste time coming up some explanation about how 2020 Turkey is a Middle Eastern country because of American foreign policy but post 1923-Turkey may not be, I doubt anyone is interested.
Even if you had always held the opinion that Turkey shouldn't simply be called a Middle Eastern country when it comes to the topic ban, you should have queried it anyway. Even if you never said that, there's no reasonable chance given the level of sophistry you're able to type out here that weren't aware until you were blocked yesterday that Turkey is often considered a Middle Eastern country.
Further you were told "this part of your comment:
for just about anything touching Turkey's politics, its foreign relations, its wars, and its president
would definitely be over the line. IMO simply participating in that discussion wouldn't; a Turkish news source arguably is not inherently part of the middle east. I'm sure you could find a way to comment without mentioning Turkey. But it might be seen at minimum as gaming the system. And the closer the source gets to the topic, the more likely simply participating would violate the tban.
" For clarity the blue text is quoting you, and that discussion refers to an RfC Daily Sabah since you asked whether you could comment on it.
You are now are or were claiming that somehow from all that you understood you were allowed to edit an article titled Turkey and the Holocaust with text that mentioned Turkish citizenship and Jews born in Turkey, and their possible repatriation to Turkey, Turkish consuls and the Turkish ambassador in France etc under some reasoning that a lot of the specific activity occurred in France and you were just expanding an existing section which mentioned this stuff even though you introduced the Turkish Foreign Ministry and mentioned the Turkish ambassador to France several times in ways which were not present before. These are people intrinsically part of the Turkish government and politics and therefore the Turkish country. Please don't waste time with arguments they aren't. The Turkish Foreign Ministry was I'm sure largely based in Turkey and I'm fairly sure the people informed were. I guess can come up with some roundabout way of explaining how you just called them the ambassador or their name, and didn't mention Turkey and various other forms of sophistry. All I'll say is, I don't think anyone agrees.
Of course in many ways we're missing the forest from the trees here. You edited
Syrian Kurdistan, article where the opening map at the time you edited had this caption 'Location of Kurdish-speaking communities in the Middle East
' and with about 10+ sources with Middle East in the title or whatever, to add stuff like "Events in Iraqi Kurdistan and the discovery of oil in Syrian Kurdistan in the 1960s
". And
Arab Belt to add text like "an
Arabization and ethnic cleansing policy in
Syrian Kurdistan carried out by the
" an article which has 2 refs with Middle East in the title, including one right in between some of your edited text. Again please don't waste time explaining why these edits didn't violate your topic ban because Syria and Iraq aren't in the Middle East. My understanding is edits to these sort of articles are even more of a reason why you were topic banned, so it's even more futile.
Here's the final point, like I think quite a few editors, I feel you contributions are sometimes beneficial. Some of these look like they were at least in part. If you had learnt to accept the limits of your topic ban, and interact better with others and improve your editing most of your edits are good ones, you may have made a fine editor. The main reason I'm here is because part of me is hoping you still can.
You coming up with pointless arguments over how your edits didn't violate your topic ban isn't helping anything. You can maybe tell from this response, I can argue a great deal too. From what I understand, it's one reason why you got in trouble both in the arbcom case and what lead up to the topic ban. Remember that while you're not required to accept the reasoning behind or correctness of the topic ban, you at a minimum have to abide by it. And really if you want to have any real hope of having it lifted, it's likely you'll have to come to some acceptance of why people felt it was necessary even if you still disagree with it. (Because unless you accept the consensus is that people feel that part of your editing was problematic, it's difficult to avoid repeating it.)
In other words, if we put aside the arbcom case, if you want to have any hope of continuing to edit here you need to have a long hard think about the limits of your topic ban. The GPinkerton of December 2020 seemed to have a far better understanding of them then the GPinkerton of February 2021. I don't know if they were quite far enough, but they were an okay start. Why was it you were able to trivially say in relation to your topic ban "various Middle Eastern countries (especially Turkey)
" back then. But today instead you required so many words today to say no Turkey isn't a Middle Eastern country except maybe by the US, and maybe parts of it, and maybe..... and how this interacted with my topic ban well it's complicated but.......? How can you return to time when your thinking was at least starting down the right path instead of all this debating about stuff no one seems to be buying?
For the record, I'd also note that your topic ban also covered Islam and right in the RfC wording you wrote "Mehmed had tried to convert to Islam
".
Nil Einne ( talk) 21:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
post-1453are not included in the topic and ban and could only be construed as such by, as you say,
sophistry? I have not changed my opinion and I am glad to see that you have.
explaining why these edits didn't violate your topic ban because Syria and Iraq aren't in the Middle East. To argue Iraq is not in the middle east would be at least as tendentious as suggesting any part of Europe is.
Given that the Bosporus and Istanbul are a significant distance northEAST of the Hellespont, this is sophistry and only more wikilawyering. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
The disruption spans 15 centuries but much of it relates to Islam and the Middle East.is a baseless statement with no evidential basis whatever? GPinkerton ( talk) 21:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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GP, I think you need to stop.
Special:Diff/997046884:
User:عمرو بن كلثوم is taken aback at GPinkerton's refutation of his claim that the phrase "Syrian Kurdistan" does not appear in the book (it does and is explained), and suddenly changes his mind on "Martin Dr Martin" the erstwhile worthy academic in respectable Paris, whose PhD-thesis-turned book was published by the University of Utrecht Press, but who in Act 2 now appears a radically changed character, a mean scholar
[he's actually a professor] whose book is now merely personal opinion
and tainted by association with the Center for Kurdish Studies (sounds very neutral)
[emphasis original] which, in the space of less than twenty-four hours, has now become unspeakably biased and unusable for reasons that remain unexplained. is too much. Stop now, we're going to need to discuss further.
—valereee (
talk) 23:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi GPinkerton, seeing you are confronted with troublesome issues again, I try to lead you to calmer waters. I joined women in red and maybe you also find some pleasure in it. There you create content and help to lower the gender gap. Coloring the editing style? (Pink)erton and women in (red) seem to make a good picture. Isn't there some empress or queen that has no article yet? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 01:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Look, you can't keep skirting your topic ban, not to mention violating it outright. I hovered over the block button for a while, but in the end decided to give you one final chance. Please understand that if at any time in the future I detect even an iota of a violation, my unblock is likely to be rescinded. I don't really care if what you have to say is valid or not. That isn't the point. We don't make allowances for that. That would be too much of a slippery slope. Your sanction has been logged. It is a done deal. If you wish to see it lifted, work on appealing it. Either this appeal will be granted or it will be declined. And that will be that. I'm at a bit of a disbelief that I even need to explain any of this, yet here we are. El_C 02:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I am a bit late to this discussion, but I have to include that the facts support the case of a rescue more than that of mass suppression. There was plenty of the latter, but reliable sources do state that Bulgaria treated Jews exceptionally well as compared to other Nazi-allied and/or controlled countries. To deny that is to deny reality. Presenting Jews as equally unambigious victims in every country during WWII is a simplification and a dumbing down of the facts and details in each case. I can see that you very much beholden to writing out of strong emotion, which is understandable, but not helpful. I think that a renaming of the page back to Rescue of the Bulgarian Jews is needed, but the lede should include information detailing the deportation of the Jews in Thrace and Macedonia, which were not part of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. They were occupied by it, but, I repeat, they were not part of Bulgaria.
Looking forward to your response,
Austria being part of Austria-Hungary at the timeAustria-Hungary collapsed after the First World War and also did not exist at the time. Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1936.
spared the faith of all the Jews that were in the Kingdom of Bulgaria(excluding Macedonia and Thrace, which were occupied by Bulgaria, but not part of its territory)}} Macedonia and Thrace were both annexed by the Kingdom of Bulgaria and Bulgaria deliberately refused to grant Jewish residents there Bulgarian citizenship (even though other residents were given citizenship)
Over 40 MPs, led by Dimitar Peshev, forced the Prime Minister to cancel the deportationsFalse. Nothing was ever cancelled. The prime minister was not in control, the tsar was. The tsar never cancelled the Bulgarians' deportations of Jews in the occupied parts of Yugoslavia and Greece. The tsar never cancelled Bulgarians' deportations of Jews from Sofia and the other cities, and all had their property seized (and never returned), all were deported to ghettos, and all were forced into slave labour. Dimitar Peshev was a key figure in supporting the notorious antisemitic legislation Bulgaria implemented with great public support.
They were indeed moved into forced labor as a way to appease the Germans. This also happened to non-Jews - all men were subject to conscription in Bulgaria until 2008.Untrue. The forced labour Jews were made to do was harsher, lasted longer, had no upper age limit, was paid less (or not at all), and was more dangerous even than the forced labour Bulgaria made gypsies and Pomaks do. The work was deliberately made more difficult by denying Jews clothes or adequate tools. Others were made to clear explosives. The idea this was done to "save" Jews or "appease the Germans" has rightly been called Holocaust denial and antisemitism by Bulgaria and the world's Jewish organizations.
these territories were not accepted as part of Bulgaria as they had only been added in 1940The genocide of Jews in the newly-occupied and annexed territories was planned and carried out by the Bulgarian government in order to increase the percentage of Bulgarians in these territories so that Germany would recognize Bulgaria's annexation of these lands. This fact was quietly suppressed by the People's Republic as a way to cover-up Bulgaria's complicity in, and responsibility for, the Holocaust in Bulgaria and to seek to salvage Bulgaria's reputation for antisemitism and Nazi collaboration by promoting the ridiculous notion that inadequately organized Holocaust in the country was in some way equivalent to the Rescue of the Danish Jews, and was moreover a suitable communist narrative of the Victory of the Good Proletariat against the persecutory actions of the tsar and the antisemitic Bulgarian Church. History was also rewritten in the communist era such that Todor Zhivkov himself organized the mythical "successful resistance" of spring 1943. The fact that the forced labour continued until after the Russians crossed the Danube is simply ignored. GPinkerton ( talk) 08:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for remembering me of all people, and thanks in turn for all your work on the encyclopedia! A good vicennalia to you too. Avilich ( talk) 23:14, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan/Evidence. Please add your evidence by February 5, 2021, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
GPinkerton, the evidence phase in this arbitration case closes today and I see that you you have not submitted any evidence yet. It would be a serious mistake for you to not participate in this process. You spent a lot of time at WP:ANI and WP:AN asking for help, where no admins were willing to listen. This arbitration case is your chance to present your side of the story in detail, and the evidence phase is the place to do that. You still have a few hours. Don't waste the opportunity. Nsk92 ( talk) 10:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
use the extensive vocabularythere exists in the English language might often be seen as appropriate, but for all editors this might mainly be the case
in good faith communication. In disputes, it provides with many fronts for ANI reports and phrases like:
My source says, this look at that or my source says something different like yours,are more effective in the long run. Your main space editing at least at Syrian Kurdistan, Nusaybin or Diyarbakir was just overwhelming and I guess welcomed by anyone who wants to expand and upgrade Wikipedia articles. And with the amount of content you bring in, you'll quite probably find a consensus also for disputed articles, maybe not within a day or two, but probably rather within a week than within days, just be patient. If you could moderate your talk page tone, but keep on with your work at the main space, this would be great. I hope you see this advice comes in good faith. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Please avoid interactions with other parties such as you had at [7]; it is not your place to chide other parties to the case. There are clerks and arbitrators to handle decorum, appropriateness of posts, etc., during a case. Maxim(talk) 19:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has asked that evidence presentations for parties be kept to around 1000 words and 100 diffs. Your presentation is over 3300 words. Please edit your section to focus on the most relevant evidence. In this case, the arbitrators have agreed to a firm 2000 word limit, so you will need to reduce your evidence submission to under this limit. If you wish to submit over-length evidence, you must first obtain the agreement of the arbitrators by posting a request on the /Evidence talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 23:50, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
which I do not useto GPinkerton if it is of help. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 01:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
"No canvassing has been involved, as عمرو بن كلثوم has once again wrongly claimed in the desperate hope of defending his own inexcusable behaviour." and similar language will see sanctions if it recurs. While tensions at ArbCom are often high, it is unnecessary to impute bad faith to others' concerns, and especially to ascribe specific negative motives to them. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 08:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear GPinkerton,
It did feel a bit awkward to start commenting seemingly out of nowhere on the ArbCom case. It's just that I deeply sympathize with your efforts to combat the global spread of misinformation through Wikipedia (which also is one of the primary reasons why I am active here, see my user page), and that I believe we should be far stricter in (topic-)banning those who are here only to push their own point of view (a principal source of misinformation), whether this is intentional on their part or not.
However, as will have become clear, I strongly disagree with your approach to this. When it comes to WP:AGF, you would do well to apply Hanlon's razor more often. But even then you should take into consideration that the best way to point out ignorance is to civilly show it, rather than to bluntly tell. Civil composure should actually take somewhat exaggerated forms ( 'wikilove') around here, given the fact that the anonymity and the lack of nonverbal communication in digital environments strongly enhances conflict. Finally, your tendency to turn the process of editing in a WP:BATTLE (which is not limited to the sharp remarks, but also includes the never-ending bludgeoning) is seriously damaging, because it is exhausting for other editors, and as such also constitutes one of the major reasons why experts and other knowledgeable people tend to stay away from Wikipedia.
These are my concerns, and I sincerely hope that you will try to take heed of them in the future. I highly enjoy editing with you, and I certainly wish for you to stay. Apaugasma ( talk| contribs) 13:43, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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In the open Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case, a number of remedies and finding of facts have been proposed, some of which relate to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi G, your latest edit on this talk page looks like it's an answer to me, but I your edit summary indicates that it's an answer to Hob Gadling. May I suggest that you slightly change the indentation in order to make that "graphically" clear? I would have done it myself but I just wanted to check directly with you that this was indeed your intention.-- JBchrch ( talk) 16:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Isn't this edit a violation of your topic ban on Islam and post-1453 Middle East? Your edit relates to Middle Eastern countries funding Islamic organizations in France. VR talk 21:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
definitely a part of the Middle East, and even by that lazy definition not all of Turkey is even in Asia, let alone the Middle East. But that is irrelevant, since no part of the Holocaust happened in the Middle East, to my knowledge, and the edits I made concern events in occupied and Vichy France, and I have never heard of anyone claiming that Western Europe is anywhere near the Middle East. GPinkerton ( talk) 06:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
100,000 Jews transmitted through Turkey. Maybe El_C can clarify whether this TBAN applies in this case or not? VR talk 06:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
100,000 Jews transmitted through Turkeywhich are not my words are not discussed anywhere by my comments. Why are you asking? GPinkerton ( talk) 06:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Middle East includes Turkeyas though repetition amplified its veracity or universalizability. GPinkerton ( talk) 06:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
A few hundred Jews were repatriated to Turkey from France, you added content concerning
Turkish-born Jewsand their potential to
be repatriated to Turkey. You also describe the actions of the Republic of Turkey and the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs based in Ankara. VR talk 06:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
here is only one known case of an offer of Turkish diplomatic protection to denaturalized Jews born in Turkeyto me, since it was not me that added it to the article. GPinkerton ( talk) 06:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Apaugasma I don't agree with your assessment. I am never going to admit that Lyon is in anyone's definition of the Middle East. I recognize when I'm wrong and when others are. GPinkerton ( talk) 16:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
As it looks pretty likely that you will be indefinitely banned from Wikipedia as a result of the Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case (5 support with zero opposes as I write this), I just thought I'd say that I have enjoyed our brief interactions on Wikipedia, and I respect your editing on Roman related topics. I hope you take the standard offer and write a thorough, contrite response that addresses concerns about your behaviour. Enjoy what are probably your last few days of editing, at least for a while. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 00:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
read as both craven and insincere, from my uninvolved perpsective it depends on how you word it. There's no harm in trying to avert your execution at the eleventh hour. Your audience is the arbitration commitee, not the editors you have come into conflict with. It's not about specific claims, but about your conduct, paticularly your habits of edit warring and "personalising disputes" (in the proposed decisions words). If you really don't feel like doing it, might be just worth waiting for the standard offer in sixth months, by which point the Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case will have been long blown over, and you'll probably feel less angry about it. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 03:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry, GPinkerton. I hope you'll be interested in appealing next year, as do think you've got much to offer. —valereee ( talk) 20:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Violation of TBAN by GPinkerton. Thank you. SQL Query me! 00:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 1 month from the article and talk namespaces due to your topic ban violations. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 01:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi GPinkerton, I wanted to notify you that the case you filed has been removed per the arbitration committee. 01:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC) SQL Query me! 01:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Chipmunkdavis Please look in the page history; you'll find a wealth of detail that has been omitted by nationalistic edit warriors. GPinkerton ( talk) 02:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
GPinkerton you probably don't like me very much right now. I get it, we clashed on many content disputes. But I didn't intend for things to be this way (and you probably didn't either). I was the first person to oppose your indef block in December. I also offered you an olive branch back in August. I know I have accused you of wrongdoing in the past, but I'm sure I've wrong too. For that I apologize. Feel free to point out my mistakes or offer any parting advice. VR talk 21:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
An arbitration case regarding Kurds and Kurdistan has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 14:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
A motion to modify the wording of your topic ban has been proposed at the public arbitrator motions page. The modification is to clarify that the topic bans apply not just in article space. As you are site banned, you are unable to comment at the motion, but this is to inform you that the wording of your topic ban is likely to change. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 18:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
The phrase "articles related to" in the topic bans for GPinkerton, Thepharoah17, عمرو بن كلثوم, and Supreme Deliciousness are struck, to clarify that the bans are not limited to article-space.
For the Arbitration Committee, GeneralNotability ( talk) 02:45, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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See my answer on the Greek Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, Β and ΟΥ started being interchangeable as renderings of Latin V as early as the 2nd c BCE. I'm afraid I don't have a modern Greek encyclopedia that I can check, though (I think it's in boxes in the basement...). -- Macrakis ( talk) 02:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I can see that you're indefinitely blocked and won't be able to reply here but I'm just writing to let you know that I saw that you wikipedia e-mailed me concerning "Heraclius III", but when I open my e-mail I can't see the e-mail you sent (don't know why), so I can only see the first few words you wrote. I'm aware that there was a co-emperor by the name Heraclius, who could be considered Heraclius III if Heraklonas is considered Heraclius II, but Mango places "Heraclius III" in the co-regency with Heraklonas and Constantine III, whereas the later co-emperor Heraclius ruled with Constans II and Constantine IV. Ichthyovenator ( talk) 11:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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Could have said The aircraft which experienced the incident. E Eng 11:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
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For your work at The Holocaust in Bulgaria (formerly Rescue of the Bulgarian Jews). Bob not snob ( talk) 05:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC) |
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I admire your astounding resilience with which you approach criticism directed at you. You don't edit war, but expand articles significantly, and as to me really well sourced to make a point. Just brilliant. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 22:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC) |
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Parlez Moi 15:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Guerillero This is wrong on both counts! I have made thousands of constructive edits and this is simply shooting the messenger! You cannot possible have had time to look into all those diffs; so this is just reflexive. GPinkerton ( talk) 15:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
What I do know, again, is that Guerillero will not have made this call lightly. I am not familiar with what led to the block but I know you a little bit now and I'm sorry to say that I am not surprised. I do not think you are a net negative, and I think that an unblock request can be successful, but you need to drop the urgency and let go of the immediate need to get back to those articles or whatever (we're not the news anyway), and then draft a good request. As long as your desire to edit seems to be driven by the apparent need to right something that's wrong, and as long as that seems to go at the expense of normal procedures and collegial behavior, you are probably not going to be successful. Note: I am talking about appearances, and in the happy absence of much factual knowledge here. Feel free to me ping me if you think I can be of help--but please keep in mind that above all else I prefer economy; few words are best. Good luck. Drmies ( talk) 01:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been blocked for raising a report about problematic editing at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Intractable_problem_still_unaddressed_and_unabated;_administrator_action_deficient. I cannot be right that a serious problem be dealt with by indefinitely blocking the user that reported it and who has not been involved in it at all. Indeed, the blocking administrator cannot possibly have had time to read my report before deciding (quite against the ample evidence presented to the contrary) that I was the one not contributing constructively, and so this was clearly done reflexively, without judging the merits of the case and basically on prejudice. This has been a recurring theme in the mishandling of this entire issue. Below is the report:
I believe a very serious case of WP:CRUSH, WP:SEALION, and WP:TENDENTIOUS is afoot, and has been in progress for some time concerning Syrian Kurdistan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs). It has been claimed that the bad temper of the content dispute has made it impossible to determine that this is happening. I do not agree that this is the case. Briefly, the issue concerns a propaganda line, dreamt up in the 1960s by the national socialist Ba'ath Party rulers of the Second Syrian Republic, which stated that the Kurdish-majority and oil-rich provinces in the extreme north were not historically Kurdish and that the Kurdish inhabitants were without exception illegal immigrants from Turkish Kurdistan. Though many were refugees or their descendants from the wars of the end of the Ottoman Empire, the Arab nationalist Ba'athists decided to ignore longstanding Kurdish settlement in Syria and what is now al-Hasakah Governorate, which were Kurdish majority at the beginning of the French Mandate of Syria and Lebanon. This unequivocal fact is stated numerous times by all reliable sources.
Furthermore, it is directly reported by unimpeachable sources that this xenophobic and racist propaganda was purpose-built and deployed specifically for the purpose of the Ba'athist ethnic cleansing campaign in Syrian Kurdistan known as the
Arab Belt. This too is well-evidenced by top-tier academic sources. However, a significant coterie of editors, whose members have been previously heavily active in Syrian civil war articles and repeatedly blocked for ethno-nationalistic edit warring in middle east topics generally, has emerged on the talk page of that article who repeat this nonsense as fact and are tenaciously distorting primary sources to (not-really-)agree with this nationalist claim. Evidence for all of this is abundant, yet no serious action has been taken, and the problem remains unacknowledged and unmitigated. The narrative continues to be presented as fact using wilfully misinterpreted primary sources and
argumentum ex silentio in secondary sources while ignoring or dismissing as kurdish pov
every and all reliable source. This has now been going on for many weeks and urgent action is desperately needed, just as it was when this issue first came to ANI more a month ago! So far little more than washing of hands and complaints about incivility have ensued; it is obvious actual steps need to be taken in a clear direction: away from the nationalist POV-pushing, which needs to be put permanently to an end.
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Irrefutable evidence the narrative pushed on the talk page, of Kurds as foreigners in Syrian territory, is nothing but Arab Nationalist racism
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"Who says northern Syria is Western kurdistan?")
"Updated regional coverage per established sources, not POV outlets")
Besides Syrian Kurdistan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Arab Belt ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), there may be large numbers of article where this POV push is going on, in Syrian Civil War- and Kurdistan-related issues, including over place names in disputed territories in Syria and other parts of the Middle East (Golan Heights, Jerusalem, etc. See contributions and block logs of involved users, including on Wikimedia Commons). See more discussions and diffs at:
I hope this is enough for someone to take this entrenched problem seriously. I can produce incontrovertible evidence that all of these claims these editors have been arguing are false, and I believe I have done so in the section above; further details are available on request. GPinkerton ( talk) 16:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)}}
GPinkerton ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
(see above)
Decline reason:
Declined per WP:NOTTHEM, WP:STICK, WP:IDNHT. I have moved the above overlong unblock request out of the unblock template because it nearly broke the template. Sandstein 20:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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Sandstein Is it proper for you to respond to this request, since you are already part of the dispute? I have a feeling this should be examined by an WP:UNINVOLVED administrator, rather than one who has already made their position on whether I should bother reporting abuse plain. GPinkerton ( talk) 20:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Having been blocked for making a report to WP:AN about inadequate administrator action in regard to users' behaviour on Syrian Kurdistan and numerous related articles, (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Intractable_problem_still_unaddressed_and_unabated;_administrator_action_deficient), I propose that I be unblocked on condition that I do not make any further such reports. GPinkerton (talk) 21:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You're still talking about others' actions as much as yourself, and still pulling in the issues that led to the block - the mass walls of text above and the multiple, over and over, noticeboard ranting are symptoms, not the disease. You have very clearly established that you are here to right great wrongs and not to collaboratly build an encyclopedia. You should have dropped the stick some time ago - if you believe there's a massive problem, but nobody else acts on it when you repeatedly bring it up, the answer is to accept that consensus is against you, not to continually rant about it and make demands - which you still are here since your block. My advice is that you take a deep breath, take a wikibreak for a week or so, and then come back with a clear head, assess your behavior and how that resulted in your being blocked, and then calmly explain how those reflections will allow you to avoid a repeat performance. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Request reason:
I think I am ready to return to editing. I recognize that I have handled disputes poorly and I will endeavour to avoid conflict like that in future. I am willing to undertake to follow whatever restrictions or recommendations are proposed. I have always been here to build the encyclopaedia and I see that my actions recently have obscured that and got in the community's way. GPinkerton (talk) 01:08, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Accept reason:
The blocking admin has proposed a topic ban, which GPinkerton promised to adhere to. Took a while, but glad we got this sorted. El_C 00:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
You know what? This (latest) unblock request actually makes sense to me. It's brief but it's good. Myself, I've only a passing familiarity with GPinkerton (in so far as me noticing active editors on my ~100,000 page watchlist), but my impression of him is of a content editor of the first order. I have never gotten a sense that he was on the project to right great wrongs, certainly not to the point of being NOTHERE. So, I'm willing to accept that the disruption and bludgeoning that led him to be sanctioned were episodic rather than systemic in nature. It may well be true that the problems GPinkerton claims to have identified in the topic area are real and acute, but that for whatever reason (say, shortage of volunteer hours), review mechanisms have failed him. And so, frustration set in, leading to the misconduct which brought on the block/s. Anyway, if GPinkerton's representation of the issues facing the topic area are accurate, eventually, someone else ie likely to bring em up. But, hey, it may take years to sort out, if at all. I know, lot of hypotheticals — sorry for digressing. My proposal: I am willing to lift the block, so long as the blocking admin is amenable (ping: Guerillero), with a topic ban from the topic area being imposed for a minimum of one year. That said, I would be remiss in neglecting to mention that a couple of matters give me pause. First, one problem with this (3rd) unblock request is that it was submitted a mere 2 days after the last one, which feels a bit rushed — 2 weeks would have been better. But, meh enough. What is more concerning is the block log, which is entirely filled with a recent succession of blocks and unblocks. I mean, this is as last chance saloon as it gets. But what can I say? I'm a hopeless optimist. El_C 23:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Here is my offer. El C might offer you a better one, but this is mine. A 1 year topic ban from post-1453 middle east. After 6 months of issue free editing under the topic ban, approach me with a single article that you would like to improve (that is reasonable) and a plan to improve it and I will give you a carve out for that article. If you can show that you can edit without problems for six months and a carve out, I would be happy to lift the topic ban early. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 02:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Islam and post-1453 CE middle east. Do I have an answer to your questions about this or that article? No, not immediately, sorry. It's probably better to ask Guerillero or Valereee about these, in any case, as they both are far more familiar with the nature of your dispute/s in so far as applying common sense to the terms of the ban as stated above. My role here was more narrowly to have unlocked the door by placing your unblock request on hold, and now I am standing ready to open said door once you give me the go ahead. Anyway, generally, I would advise you to err on the side of caution. Mind you, as far as borderline pages go, if you make uncontentious changes, it's likely that no one would end up caring. Still, I hope you are able to beware and be aware of the danger signs (whichever these are) of faltering in that. Finally, the reason I am advocating for a Kurdish (overall) DS, which I argue would serve editors better than the current coverage provided by the GS, is the following: first, the GS in this case is limited — for example, obviously, the pre-civil war relationship between the Ba'athist state and the Kurds precedes and falls outside the scope of WP:GS/SCW (granted, for articles other than Syrian Kurdistan, where the GS is already in effect). And second and equally important, AE, the reporting mechanism provided for DS violations, is a superior platform to AN and ANI, the reporting mechanisms provided for GS violations. El_C 04:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
GP, from a very brief glance at that RfC, this part of your comment: for just about anything touching Turkey's politics, its foreign relations, its wars, and its president would definitely be over the line. IMO simply participating in that discussion wouldn't; a Turkish news source arguably is not inherently part of the middle east. I'm sure you could find a way to comment without mentioning Turkey. But it might be seen at minimum as gaming the system. And the closer the source gets to the topic, the more likely simply participating would violate the tban. Obviously you shouldn't participate in discussion of the reliability of a book about Turkey. I'm not going to be hopping along behind you watching for you to put a foot over the line, but I'm guessing someone out there will. If they reported it to me, I'd likely give you a warning as long as I thought the violation was unintentional or you'd already reverted yourself. But not everyone gives warnings when they feel the person has already been adequately warned, including via discussions like this one. So, yes, topic bans stink. —valereee ( talk) 13:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Islam and post-1453 CE middle east? El_C 18:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
post-1453 CE middle east? I think Supreme Deliciousness's edit on that page should be reverted. GPinkerton ( talk) 05:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Cullen328 Regarding
this edit I am going to point out that I asked specifically whether Hagia Sophia was included and an admin told me that that would be possible.
Guerillero
told me specifically that 1453, which would give you access to the whole
Byzantine Empire
was the scope, while another admin gave a definition of Middle East that (correctly) excludes any part of Europe or the
Balkan Peninsula, where Hagia Sophia and the whole ancient city of Constantinople stood.
Ealdgyth
said keep it in the Middle East countries though - Hellespont and east of that. I'd lean post-1453 ...
.
The eventual wording appears to be informed by this, and I certainly did not fall into the trap of using Wikipedia's definition as evidence, especially not resorting to citing an article with few citations and labelled as such, and of which none verify that any part of Europe is in the Middle East; the talk page is replete with people asking for this unverified claim about partly in Southeast Europe
to be removed from the lead. The article
Balkans (by the same reasoning) only sparingly uses the term "Middle East" and only ever as a region different to Europe and the Balkans, which is where Constantinople was during the Byzantine Empire – the whole extent of which was specifically excluded from the extent of the topic ban by the blocking and ban-imposing admin. There has never been any suggestion I should be topic banned from editing any part of Roman history, and all my (recent) edits to that page concern Byzantine-period Constantinople, which is exclusively in Europe and exclusive of post-1453 CE Middle East
.
Nil Einne is not right to say that I claim they weren't aware the topic ban was intended to cover at Hagia Sophia post-1453 when they were explicitly aware it was proposed partly in response to concerns over their editing of the topic
. The exact opposite is the case; I am saying the topic ban was not formulated to exclude the Byzantine cathedral in the Roman period, which the RfC I began concerns. Discussion here proves that I asked for and got assurances from multiple administrators that editing within the scope of the empire was legitimate, that the empire's end marks the beginning of the topic ban, and that the definition of Middle East being discussed did not arbitrarily and unusually include parts of a European peninsula. I specifically stated several times that I wanted to continue working on Hagia Sophia, and that even though I have written most of its Ottoman-period history and its modern history, I wanted to continue to improve the pre-Ottoman parts of the article, and from what I was told, I understood that this was allowed.
Page tools shows that even after months of editing away from the article, no-one has come and removed any of the nearly half of the article that was written by me (the better half, I might add). As such, I think the RfC should be restored, and the reliably sourced information not kept out of the article for no reason. Look at how the equivalent matter is handled at Constantinople – is that "disruptive"? Isn't my version rather better than that POV stuff? GPinkerton ( talk) 18:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
false and misleadingto say "New York is not part of Canada" just because New York is even closer to Canada than Hagia Sophia is to (Americans' definition of ) the Middle East? Surely not. Surely no topic ban from Canada would apply to any part of New York. GPinkerton ( talk) 19:18, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
post-1453 CE, a scope which excludes by an reasonable understanding the events of early 1453 and their subsequent reception in Europe! GPinkerton ( talk) 19:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
eastof the
Hellespont, a commonplace understanding that the modern Middle East excludes Europe. Asian Turkey might be in the modern Middle East, but European Turkey is in Europe, on the Balkan peninsula. In any case, before
post-1453 CEthe European city of Constantinople is not at all in the Middle East and, most would say Fatih is not in the modern Middle East either, remaining as it has in Europe.
post-1453 CEperiod.
"Turkey" (as in the post-1923 Republic of) is often labelled a Middle Eastern country in past few decades'. Do you accept the label of the post-1923 Republic of Turkey as a Middle Eastern country, at least when it comes to the topic ban? Nil Einne ( talk) 20:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
nearly everyone, can you name specific editors that have stated that the original scope of the topic ban as imposed was wrong and should not be considered when I'm being falsely accused of breaking it by those who disagree with my edits for ideological reasons? GPinkerton ( talk) 21:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Here's my modified earlier reply. (You can see my original in the sandbox if you really want, I wrote that before reading any of your follow up replies including to Cullen here, or replying myself.) Good on you for the previous improvements to the article, and I'm serious about that it's not sarcasm. However it doesn't excuse violations of your topic ban. If you think it does, that's probably part of the reason you have problems.
You were specifically told "pre-1453 history
" in relation to Hagia Sophia. I'd put to you just like you put below that something that occurred in 1453 is explicitly not pre-1453 history. Yeah technically your topic ban did say post, but since you're making such a big deal of following what you were told, if you wanted to quibble at the edges of whether stuff occurring during 1453 was covered why didn't you do so when you were explicitly told it should be pre-1453 history for Hagia Sophia?
You also seem to be disputing that Hagia Sophia should be covered by a Middle East topic ban, yet your earlier questions and indeed the formulation of the topic ban itself proves that Hagia Sophia was explicitly intended to be covered. Putting aside the precise date, it's illogical to say that you asked and were told only stuff after and not including 1453 Hagia Sophia were covered, while simultaneously saying it wasn't covered anyway since it not part of the Middle East. If you had wanted to dispute whether Hagia Sophia was in the Middle East and so should have been covered, again the time to dispute it was when you were told it was at least for some time, rather than now 2 months later and after you decided to edit it despite having been told it was covered. My history on the area isn't anywhere as good as yours, but I'm fairly sure Hagia Sophia hasn't moved so that can't be the reason. Discounting stuff like shifting of the tectonic plates and the earth's rotation and orbit of the sun, and the sun's orbit of the Milky Way and (yes I can nit pick too).
And here we get to the crux of the matter. Yes I was asking leading questions, it was intentional as I said because I wanted to see how you understood the topic ban. You're now clearly disputing whether even post-1923 Turkey should be considered a Middle Eastern country when it comes to the topic ban. Here's the part I didn't mention until now. Earlier at 14:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC) on this very page, you said "It's not the Middle East but various Middle Eastern countries (especially Turkey) involved themselves
". I'm native English speaker and I find no way to parse that other than an acknowledgment that Turkey is a Middle Eastern country. I was originally AGFing maybe I simply misunderstood your current position and was simply going to post with that assumption. But decided to check and it's clear I don't.
Maybe you've changed your mind. That's your right but here's the thing. When you did so, you should have queried which definition was meant to apply. Please don't tell me you forgot you once held that opinion. (You clearly forgot you expressed that opinion, that's not the point.) Yes this was in relation to Turkey in 2020 but please don't waste time coming up some explanation about how 2020 Turkey is a Middle Eastern country because of American foreign policy but post 1923-Turkey may not be, I doubt anyone is interested.
Even if you had always held the opinion that Turkey shouldn't simply be called a Middle Eastern country when it comes to the topic ban, you should have queried it anyway. Even if you never said that, there's no reasonable chance given the level of sophistry you're able to type out here that weren't aware until you were blocked yesterday that Turkey is often considered a Middle Eastern country.
Further you were told "this part of your comment:
for just about anything touching Turkey's politics, its foreign relations, its wars, and its president
would definitely be over the line. IMO simply participating in that discussion wouldn't; a Turkish news source arguably is not inherently part of the middle east. I'm sure you could find a way to comment without mentioning Turkey. But it might be seen at minimum as gaming the system. And the closer the source gets to the topic, the more likely simply participating would violate the tban.
" For clarity the blue text is quoting you, and that discussion refers to an RfC Daily Sabah since you asked whether you could comment on it.
You are now are or were claiming that somehow from all that you understood you were allowed to edit an article titled Turkey and the Holocaust with text that mentioned Turkish citizenship and Jews born in Turkey, and their possible repatriation to Turkey, Turkish consuls and the Turkish ambassador in France etc under some reasoning that a lot of the specific activity occurred in France and you were just expanding an existing section which mentioned this stuff even though you introduced the Turkish Foreign Ministry and mentioned the Turkish ambassador to France several times in ways which were not present before. These are people intrinsically part of the Turkish government and politics and therefore the Turkish country. Please don't waste time with arguments they aren't. The Turkish Foreign Ministry was I'm sure largely based in Turkey and I'm fairly sure the people informed were. I guess can come up with some roundabout way of explaining how you just called them the ambassador or their name, and didn't mention Turkey and various other forms of sophistry. All I'll say is, I don't think anyone agrees.
Of course in many ways we're missing the forest from the trees here. You edited
Syrian Kurdistan, article where the opening map at the time you edited had this caption 'Location of Kurdish-speaking communities in the Middle East
' and with about 10+ sources with Middle East in the title or whatever, to add stuff like "Events in Iraqi Kurdistan and the discovery of oil in Syrian Kurdistan in the 1960s
". And
Arab Belt to add text like "an
Arabization and ethnic cleansing policy in
Syrian Kurdistan carried out by the
" an article which has 2 refs with Middle East in the title, including one right in between some of your edited text. Again please don't waste time explaining why these edits didn't violate your topic ban because Syria and Iraq aren't in the Middle East. My understanding is edits to these sort of articles are even more of a reason why you were topic banned, so it's even more futile.
Here's the final point, like I think quite a few editors, I feel you contributions are sometimes beneficial. Some of these look like they were at least in part. If you had learnt to accept the limits of your topic ban, and interact better with others and improve your editing most of your edits are good ones, you may have made a fine editor. The main reason I'm here is because part of me is hoping you still can.
You coming up with pointless arguments over how your edits didn't violate your topic ban isn't helping anything. You can maybe tell from this response, I can argue a great deal too. From what I understand, it's one reason why you got in trouble both in the arbcom case and what lead up to the topic ban. Remember that while you're not required to accept the reasoning behind or correctness of the topic ban, you at a minimum have to abide by it. And really if you want to have any real hope of having it lifted, it's likely you'll have to come to some acceptance of why people felt it was necessary even if you still disagree with it. (Because unless you accept the consensus is that people feel that part of your editing was problematic, it's difficult to avoid repeating it.)
In other words, if we put aside the arbcom case, if you want to have any hope of continuing to edit here you need to have a long hard think about the limits of your topic ban. The GPinkerton of December 2020 seemed to have a far better understanding of them then the GPinkerton of February 2021. I don't know if they were quite far enough, but they were an okay start. Why was it you were able to trivially say in relation to your topic ban "various Middle Eastern countries (especially Turkey)
" back then. But today instead you required so many words today to say no Turkey isn't a Middle Eastern country except maybe by the US, and maybe parts of it, and maybe..... and how this interacted with my topic ban well it's complicated but.......? How can you return to time when your thinking was at least starting down the right path instead of all this debating about stuff no one seems to be buying?
For the record, I'd also note that your topic ban also covered Islam and right in the RfC wording you wrote "Mehmed had tried to convert to Islam
".
Nil Einne ( talk) 21:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
post-1453are not included in the topic and ban and could only be construed as such by, as you say,
sophistry? I have not changed my opinion and I am glad to see that you have.
explaining why these edits didn't violate your topic ban because Syria and Iraq aren't in the Middle East. To argue Iraq is not in the middle east would be at least as tendentious as suggesting any part of Europe is.
Given that the Bosporus and Istanbul are a significant distance northEAST of the Hellespont, this is sophistry and only more wikilawyering. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
The disruption spans 15 centuries but much of it relates to Islam and the Middle East.is a baseless statement with no evidential basis whatever? GPinkerton ( talk) 21:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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GP, I think you need to stop.
Special:Diff/997046884:
User:عمرو بن كلثوم is taken aback at GPinkerton's refutation of his claim that the phrase "Syrian Kurdistan" does not appear in the book (it does and is explained), and suddenly changes his mind on "Martin Dr Martin" the erstwhile worthy academic in respectable Paris, whose PhD-thesis-turned book was published by the University of Utrecht Press, but who in Act 2 now appears a radically changed character, a mean scholar
[he's actually a professor] whose book is now merely personal opinion
and tainted by association with the Center for Kurdish Studies (sounds very neutral)
[emphasis original] which, in the space of less than twenty-four hours, has now become unspeakably biased and unusable for reasons that remain unexplained. is too much. Stop now, we're going to need to discuss further.
—valereee (
talk) 23:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi GPinkerton, seeing you are confronted with troublesome issues again, I try to lead you to calmer waters. I joined women in red and maybe you also find some pleasure in it. There you create content and help to lower the gender gap. Coloring the editing style? (Pink)erton and women in (red) seem to make a good picture. Isn't there some empress or queen that has no article yet? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 01:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Look, you can't keep skirting your topic ban, not to mention violating it outright. I hovered over the block button for a while, but in the end decided to give you one final chance. Please understand that if at any time in the future I detect even an iota of a violation, my unblock is likely to be rescinded. I don't really care if what you have to say is valid or not. That isn't the point. We don't make allowances for that. That would be too much of a slippery slope. Your sanction has been logged. It is a done deal. If you wish to see it lifted, work on appealing it. Either this appeal will be granted or it will be declined. And that will be that. I'm at a bit of a disbelief that I even need to explain any of this, yet here we are. El_C 02:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I am a bit late to this discussion, but I have to include that the facts support the case of a rescue more than that of mass suppression. There was plenty of the latter, but reliable sources do state that Bulgaria treated Jews exceptionally well as compared to other Nazi-allied and/or controlled countries. To deny that is to deny reality. Presenting Jews as equally unambigious victims in every country during WWII is a simplification and a dumbing down of the facts and details in each case. I can see that you very much beholden to writing out of strong emotion, which is understandable, but not helpful. I think that a renaming of the page back to Rescue of the Bulgarian Jews is needed, but the lede should include information detailing the deportation of the Jews in Thrace and Macedonia, which were not part of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. They were occupied by it, but, I repeat, they were not part of Bulgaria.
Looking forward to your response,
Austria being part of Austria-Hungary at the timeAustria-Hungary collapsed after the First World War and also did not exist at the time. Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1936.
spared the faith of all the Jews that were in the Kingdom of Bulgaria(excluding Macedonia and Thrace, which were occupied by Bulgaria, but not part of its territory)}} Macedonia and Thrace were both annexed by the Kingdom of Bulgaria and Bulgaria deliberately refused to grant Jewish residents there Bulgarian citizenship (even though other residents were given citizenship)
Over 40 MPs, led by Dimitar Peshev, forced the Prime Minister to cancel the deportationsFalse. Nothing was ever cancelled. The prime minister was not in control, the tsar was. The tsar never cancelled the Bulgarians' deportations of Jews in the occupied parts of Yugoslavia and Greece. The tsar never cancelled Bulgarians' deportations of Jews from Sofia and the other cities, and all had their property seized (and never returned), all were deported to ghettos, and all were forced into slave labour. Dimitar Peshev was a key figure in supporting the notorious antisemitic legislation Bulgaria implemented with great public support.
They were indeed moved into forced labor as a way to appease the Germans. This also happened to non-Jews - all men were subject to conscription in Bulgaria until 2008.Untrue. The forced labour Jews were made to do was harsher, lasted longer, had no upper age limit, was paid less (or not at all), and was more dangerous even than the forced labour Bulgaria made gypsies and Pomaks do. The work was deliberately made more difficult by denying Jews clothes or adequate tools. Others were made to clear explosives. The idea this was done to "save" Jews or "appease the Germans" has rightly been called Holocaust denial and antisemitism by Bulgaria and the world's Jewish organizations.
these territories were not accepted as part of Bulgaria as they had only been added in 1940The genocide of Jews in the newly-occupied and annexed territories was planned and carried out by the Bulgarian government in order to increase the percentage of Bulgarians in these territories so that Germany would recognize Bulgaria's annexation of these lands. This fact was quietly suppressed by the People's Republic as a way to cover-up Bulgaria's complicity in, and responsibility for, the Holocaust in Bulgaria and to seek to salvage Bulgaria's reputation for antisemitism and Nazi collaboration by promoting the ridiculous notion that inadequately organized Holocaust in the country was in some way equivalent to the Rescue of the Danish Jews, and was moreover a suitable communist narrative of the Victory of the Good Proletariat against the persecutory actions of the tsar and the antisemitic Bulgarian Church. History was also rewritten in the communist era such that Todor Zhivkov himself organized the mythical "successful resistance" of spring 1943. The fact that the forced labour continued until after the Russians crossed the Danube is simply ignored. GPinkerton ( talk) 08:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for remembering me of all people, and thanks in turn for all your work on the encyclopedia! A good vicennalia to you too. Avilich ( talk) 23:14, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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GPinkerton, the evidence phase in this arbitration case closes today and I see that you you have not submitted any evidence yet. It would be a serious mistake for you to not participate in this process. You spent a lot of time at WP:ANI and WP:AN asking for help, where no admins were willing to listen. This arbitration case is your chance to present your side of the story in detail, and the evidence phase is the place to do that. You still have a few hours. Don't waste the opportunity. Nsk92 ( talk) 10:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
use the extensive vocabularythere exists in the English language might often be seen as appropriate, but for all editors this might mainly be the case
in good faith communication. In disputes, it provides with many fronts for ANI reports and phrases like:
My source says, this look at that or my source says something different like yours,are more effective in the long run. Your main space editing at least at Syrian Kurdistan, Nusaybin or Diyarbakir was just overwhelming and I guess welcomed by anyone who wants to expand and upgrade Wikipedia articles. And with the amount of content you bring in, you'll quite probably find a consensus also for disputed articles, maybe not within a day or two, but probably rather within a week than within days, just be patient. If you could moderate your talk page tone, but keep on with your work at the main space, this would be great. I hope you see this advice comes in good faith. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Please avoid interactions with other parties such as you had at [7]; it is not your place to chide other parties to the case. There are clerks and arbitrators to handle decorum, appropriateness of posts, etc., during a case. Maxim(talk) 19:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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which I do not useto GPinkerton if it is of help. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 01:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
"No canvassing has been involved, as عمرو بن كلثوم has once again wrongly claimed in the desperate hope of defending his own inexcusable behaviour." and similar language will see sanctions if it recurs. While tensions at ArbCom are often high, it is unnecessary to impute bad faith to others' concerns, and especially to ascribe specific negative motives to them. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 08:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear GPinkerton,
It did feel a bit awkward to start commenting seemingly out of nowhere on the ArbCom case. It's just that I deeply sympathize with your efforts to combat the global spread of misinformation through Wikipedia (which also is one of the primary reasons why I am active here, see my user page), and that I believe we should be far stricter in (topic-)banning those who are here only to push their own point of view (a principal source of misinformation), whether this is intentional on their part or not.
However, as will have become clear, I strongly disagree with your approach to this. When it comes to WP:AGF, you would do well to apply Hanlon's razor more often. But even then you should take into consideration that the best way to point out ignorance is to civilly show it, rather than to bluntly tell. Civil composure should actually take somewhat exaggerated forms ( 'wikilove') around here, given the fact that the anonymity and the lack of nonverbal communication in digital environments strongly enhances conflict. Finally, your tendency to turn the process of editing in a WP:BATTLE (which is not limited to the sharp remarks, but also includes the never-ending bludgeoning) is seriously damaging, because it is exhausting for other editors, and as such also constitutes one of the major reasons why experts and other knowledgeable people tend to stay away from Wikipedia.
These are my concerns, and I sincerely hope that you will try to take heed of them in the future. I highly enjoy editing with you, and I certainly wish for you to stay. Apaugasma ( talk| contribs) 13:43, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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In the open Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case, a number of remedies and finding of facts have been proposed, some of which relate to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi G, your latest edit on this talk page looks like it's an answer to me, but I your edit summary indicates that it's an answer to Hob Gadling. May I suggest that you slightly change the indentation in order to make that "graphically" clear? I would have done it myself but I just wanted to check directly with you that this was indeed your intention.-- JBchrch ( talk) 16:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Isn't this edit a violation of your topic ban on Islam and post-1453 Middle East? Your edit relates to Middle Eastern countries funding Islamic organizations in France. VR talk 21:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
definitely a part of the Middle East, and even by that lazy definition not all of Turkey is even in Asia, let alone the Middle East. But that is irrelevant, since no part of the Holocaust happened in the Middle East, to my knowledge, and the edits I made concern events in occupied and Vichy France, and I have never heard of anyone claiming that Western Europe is anywhere near the Middle East. GPinkerton ( talk) 06:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
100,000 Jews transmitted through Turkey. Maybe El_C can clarify whether this TBAN applies in this case or not? VR talk 06:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
100,000 Jews transmitted through Turkeywhich are not my words are not discussed anywhere by my comments. Why are you asking? GPinkerton ( talk) 06:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Middle East includes Turkeyas though repetition amplified its veracity or universalizability. GPinkerton ( talk) 06:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
A few hundred Jews were repatriated to Turkey from France, you added content concerning
Turkish-born Jewsand their potential to
be repatriated to Turkey. You also describe the actions of the Republic of Turkey and the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs based in Ankara. VR talk 06:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
here is only one known case of an offer of Turkish diplomatic protection to denaturalized Jews born in Turkeyto me, since it was not me that added it to the article. GPinkerton ( talk) 06:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Apaugasma I don't agree with your assessment. I am never going to admit that Lyon is in anyone's definition of the Middle East. I recognize when I'm wrong and when others are. GPinkerton ( talk) 16:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
As it looks pretty likely that you will be indefinitely banned from Wikipedia as a result of the Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case (5 support with zero opposes as I write this), I just thought I'd say that I have enjoyed our brief interactions on Wikipedia, and I respect your editing on Roman related topics. I hope you take the standard offer and write a thorough, contrite response that addresses concerns about your behaviour. Enjoy what are probably your last few days of editing, at least for a while. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 00:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
read as both craven and insincere, from my uninvolved perpsective it depends on how you word it. There's no harm in trying to avert your execution at the eleventh hour. Your audience is the arbitration commitee, not the editors you have come into conflict with. It's not about specific claims, but about your conduct, paticularly your habits of edit warring and "personalising disputes" (in the proposed decisions words). If you really don't feel like doing it, might be just worth waiting for the standard offer in sixth months, by which point the Kurds and Kurdistan arbitration case will have been long blown over, and you'll probably feel less angry about it. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 03:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry, GPinkerton. I hope you'll be interested in appealing next year, as do think you've got much to offer. —valereee ( talk) 20:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Violation of TBAN by GPinkerton. Thank you. SQL Query me! 00:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 1 month from the article and talk namespaces due to your topic ban violations. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 01:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi GPinkerton, I wanted to notify you that the case you filed has been removed per the arbitration committee. 01:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC) SQL Query me! 01:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Chipmunkdavis Please look in the page history; you'll find a wealth of detail that has been omitted by nationalistic edit warriors. GPinkerton ( talk) 02:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
GPinkerton you probably don't like me very much right now. I get it, we clashed on many content disputes. But I didn't intend for things to be this way (and you probably didn't either). I was the first person to oppose your indef block in December. I also offered you an olive branch back in August. I know I have accused you of wrongdoing in the past, but I'm sure I've wrong too. For that I apologize. Feel free to point out my mistakes or offer any parting advice. VR talk 21:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
An arbitration case regarding Kurds and Kurdistan has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 14:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
A motion to modify the wording of your topic ban has been proposed at the public arbitrator motions page. The modification is to clarify that the topic bans apply not just in article space. As you are site banned, you are unable to comment at the motion, but this is to inform you that the wording of your topic ban is likely to change. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 18:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
The phrase "articles related to" in the topic bans for GPinkerton, Thepharoah17, عمرو بن كلثوم, and Supreme Deliciousness are struck, to clarify that the bans are not limited to article-space.
For the Arbitration Committee, GeneralNotability ( talk) 02:45, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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See my answer on the Greek Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, Β and ΟΥ started being interchangeable as renderings of Latin V as early as the 2nd c BCE. I'm afraid I don't have a modern Greek encyclopedia that I can check, though (I think it's in boxes in the basement...). -- Macrakis ( talk) 02:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I can see that you're indefinitely blocked and won't be able to reply here but I'm just writing to let you know that I saw that you wikipedia e-mailed me concerning "Heraclius III", but when I open my e-mail I can't see the e-mail you sent (don't know why), so I can only see the first few words you wrote. I'm aware that there was a co-emperor by the name Heraclius, who could be considered Heraclius III if Heraklonas is considered Heraclius II, but Mango places "Heraclius III" in the co-regency with Heraklonas and Constantine III, whereas the later co-emperor Heraclius ruled with Constans II and Constantine IV. Ichthyovenator ( talk) 11:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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Could have said The aircraft which experienced the incident. E Eng 11:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
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