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those working group reports are published.
As expected, there's a
recommendation to modify the TOU to address systematic bias. I come across Wikimedia projects have an environment in which the majority of editors who flock to a page, (not necessarily the majority of editors) control policy definition and implementation, even if that implementation is detrimental to minority groups and broader inclusion of knowledge.
which seems straight out of that famed WhoseKnowledge booklet.
A
CoC is proposed which strives for zero tolerance to any unacceptable behavior. (Yet to find the parameters of acceptability.) I come across Those who do not wish to comply could leave the platform
. Other stuff around similar locus
includes creation of new power structures, re-distribution of power and secret ballots.
Our user-pages will soon become some kind of FB-about-section because that will lead to greater socializing, which is obviously a prime objective.
There would be gender and socio-economic quotas for admins, crats, ArbCom and all higher-ups. Was Essjay a male and how much did he earn?
Some of the stuff is quite good but with quite high chances of getting botched or flocked by the usual grifters.
All in all, there's about 50 reports to read (and I am yet to finish) but my times at this site seem to be limited. ∯WBG converse 17:41, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The main concern would be that Wikipedia is not a social network.That's astounding, Holmes! Ffs... —— SerialNumber 54129 18:39, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The ToU should be agreed on each time an editor acts anonymously as an IP. Rather than simply a checkbox, the policy should open, so that (in theory) the policy is read before the box is checked. (For those with registered User name, as long as they remain signed in they would not get a pop-up after sign-on. This would correlate to other public access facilities and serve to reinforce “safe space policies” and expected on-line behavior norms.Come the hell on. That's not only not legally necessary, but it throws a roadblock in the way of anonymous contributors that will definitely have a disproportionate impact on them. In fact, I think it's reasonable to hypothesize that, out of 100 anonymous edits, there would be more made by women or minority editors, than by registered users. After all, the problem of building a persona on-wiki rather than just making the occasional edit anonymously is well-known.
On a governance level, another statement that should be clarified in the ToU is that of the relationship between the Wikimedia Foundation and the community.This is completely not the purpose of a ToU. You don't just dump irrelevant and extraneous information into a contract. It just creates opportunities for a clever litigant to extend his day in court.
Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?A:
All change has negative connotations to some members of the community.This reminds me of the story of an old friend who, in an actual job interview, was asked what his greatest weakness was, and responded that it was having no weaknesses. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 18:46, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Rationale
Knowledge equity can only be achieved if our movement imposes equity in decision making within our communities. Current bureaucratic structures and decision making processes do not counteract established inequality in informal community power relations (eg. veteran editors vs newbies, dominant groups vs marginalised groups, Foundation vs affiliate).
Do they know what they are saying here? The WMF is asserting that its bureaucratic structure and decision making fail to address the inequality in power relations between it, the dominant Foundation and the marginal affiliate that is Engwiki. The e.g. examples all classify as structurally unequal/discriminated against, (a) newbies,(b) marginalized groups and (c) affiliates, which is what Engwiki is. What is their answer to this confession that it, ther WMF, has a preponderance of power over its affiliates? To launch a proposal that would augment its ascendency! I mean, Jeezus, you need people with a genius for unawareness, apart from the by now infamous illiteracy of that clique's public statements, to write crap of this order. On a linked site I also note.
As a social movement, we will focus our efforts on the knowledge and communities that have been left out by structures of power and privilege.
There is zero instancing of what knowledge has been putatively suppressed, and what communities have been discriminated agsinst by structures of power and privilege, the last phrase being even more lame-brained because the T&S fortress is, precisely, a 'structure of power and privilege': its members are highly paid, exercise censorial power, can ostracize by private chamber proceedings the artisans who, unpaid, actually constructed the very foundations and empire on which their income depends.
Nishidani (
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20:13, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Those who do not wish to comply could leave the platform.in their reports which says volumes. ∯WBG converse 06:18, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Hope the encyclopedia gets to keep you": but for how long will it actually be an encyclopaedia? - SchroCat ( talk) 21:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't think this is all WMF initiative. The competence of the workgroups seems to be quite varied, but it does look like there are a lot of people who do not have much clue to scrape together, and they will still have to get this stuff past the board. I have a feeling Jimbo will not stand back and let his claim to fame get trashed by a bunch of wannabe do-gooders with little grip on reality. Not planning to panic just yet myself, but will go down fighting if necessary. I would prefer to be counted among those who tried to fix it. Cheers · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Posting here, in case you have missed that:-) ∯WBG converse 10:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)A big part of the problem is that dominant cultures are perceived to have the authoritative voice for many unrepresented and underrepresented groups .... Scholarship from within their community should form the basis of articles about their culture and traditions .... sourcing from within local communities, were dismissed as being either biased or non-independent, and removed in favor of works from people who had no authentic knowledge of a community ....
Did you know that Giano is deeply interested in these boxers, and has created articles about some of them? If any questions arise, I'm sure he can answer them. Bishonen | talk 03:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC).
Sitush, I remember, or somehow delude myself that, you and I and perhaps others have at times (and not so recently) together been involved in the whittling of lists of allegedly notable people (residents, etc) from articles on Indian or other places. Maybe not, but FWIW " Notable People"; your comments welcome. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:39, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
An Izhuvan will eat rice cooked by a Tiyan, but a Tiyan will not eat rice cooked by an Izhuvan a circum- stance pointing to the inferiority of the Izhuvan. A Nayar, as well as a Tiyan, will partake of almost any form of food or drink, which is prepared even by a Mappilla (Malabar Muhammadan), who is deemed inferior to both. But the line is drawn at rice, which must be prepared by one of equal caste or class, or by a superior. An Izhuvan, partaking of rice at a Tiyan's house, must eat it in a verandah ; he cannot do so in the house, as that would be defilement to the Tiyan. Not only must the Izhuvan eat the rice in the verandah, but he must wash the plates, and clean up the place where he has eaten. Again, an Izhuvan could have no objection to drinking from a Tiyan's well. Further, there is practically no mixture in the distribution of Tiyans and Izhuvans The South Malabar Tiyan bridegroom, dressed as if for a wrestling match, with his cloth tied tight about his loins, carries a sword and shield, and is escorted by two companions similarly equipped, dancing their way along. The Izhuvan does not carry a sword under any circumstances. The chief feature of his wedding ceremony is a singing match. This, called the vatil-tura-pattu, or open the door song, assumes the form of a contest between the parties of the bridegroom and bride. The story of Krishna and his wife Rukmini is supposed to be alluded to. We have seen it all under slightly different colour at Conjeeveram. Krishna asks Rukmini to open the door, and admit him. She refuses, thinking he has been gallivanting with some other lady. He beseeches ; she refuses. He explains, and at length she yields. The song is more or less extem- pore, and each "side must be ready with an immediate answer. The side which is reduced to the extremity of having no answer is beaten and under ignominy. Marriage is strictly forbidden between two persons belonging to the same illam. The bride and bridegroom must belong to different illams. In fact, the illams are exogamous. The following formula is repeated by the headman of the bride's party. Translated as accurately as possible, it runs thus. "The tara and changati of both sides having met and consulted ; the astrologer having fixed an auspicious day after examining the star and porutham ; permission having been obtained from the tara, the relations, the illam and kulam, the father, uncle, and the brothers, and from the eight and four (twelve illams) and the six and four (ten kiriyams) ; the conji and adayalam ceremonies and the four tazhus having been performed, let me perform the kanjikudi ceremony for the marriage of .... The son of . . . . With .... Daughter of .... In the presence of muperium. ”
Edward thurson on thiyyar
Thiyyar are not Ezhavar.
Please don't club thiyyar with Ezhavar. Why are you deleting thiyyar Wikipedia?
Are you funded by Christian missionaries ? Unniyarcha ( talk) 06:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
sir , thurson is a historian who wrote on castes some 200 years ago . please understand — Preceding
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This was a bad idea. I understand you're upset about the Arbcom motion today, but taking a dispute cross-wiki to oppose someone's RfA is not cool. Imagine what you'd think if someone from another wiki came here and did that during one of our RfAs. I urge you to retract that post. – Leviv ich 16:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
What if I went to another project..
oh wait. Despite you saying that:
I've painted a target on my back,
I'll find my time here limited and painful,
I am a sockpuppet of caroolmoredc,
I've made it my "life's work" to be an SJW on Wikipedia,
I've been doing stuff wrong since arriving here,
I am incompetant and a
drama-monger,
I seem to
bear a grudge of some sort about GGTF, and
I must be trolling in my response to you...
In reality, I have welcomed you to continue your contributions to Scots Wiki, ignored your worst incliminations by assuming good faith, and genuinely tried to engage in a constructive dialogue. For the good of this project, I simply ask you retract your latest reply to me on Talk:Cotswold_Olimpick_Games because it is inconsistent with your own advice for me which was that I shouldn't have to avoid someone constantly making personal attacks against me on this site. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 03:36, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Nair of north malabar is called nambiar . they have their own wikipedia . why don't thiyya have one ?
please remove the redirect.
this is our demand for over 10 years. please undestand our feeling admins .
please remove protection and redirect.
let's have ourown wikipedia please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unniyarcha ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
No I'm the secretary of Thiyyar mahasabha (caste community of Thiyyar) .
Please contact me by mail - adhimonrkz@gmail.com. we are ready to give anything w≤hatever you says if you help us in return. — Preceding
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There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.
WanderingWanda (
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03:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Why not run for Arbcom? That election is coming up pretty quickly here and while you and I may or may not have a different take on the banning of certain Manchesterians, I've always respected you as a solid content guy with the best interests of the project at heart — and somebody not afraid to throw a punch at the bureaucratic sorts who are slowly strangling English WP. Anyway, give it some thought. I'm sure it would be an uphill fight to win election, and the job itself sucks if you're unlucky enough to win, but running would be a bully pulpit, to steal a line from a dead Republican US President. best regards, —tim /// Carrite ( talk) 01:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The source cited in the article claims banafar brothers with combined Rajput and ahir background (which is false) but still let's consider it as true for sometime then also how can you say that whole Banafar community became "Ahirs" .For example if someone from Brahmin caste marries a Rajput boy ,does that mean that whole Brahmin became Rajputs just because of that 1 single marriage? Come to central India and check yourself ,I myself belong to banafar clan .How can some clain be both Rajput and ahir at the same time ? I hope your page stop spreading baseless claims by some extremist caste based groups and I hope you stop encouraging them .I have complained this issue to the admin Mr. Utkarshraj too .False information is being spread through your page .I hope you do some study before posting such baseless and unverified claim .Atleast open the source used as reference and try to understand it .Thank you . Thakur Singh ( talk) 16:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
I have reverted your to Parihar, vide WP:CATVER: "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial; if the category's topic is likely to spark controversy, then a list article (which can be annotated and referenced) is probably more appropriate. For example, a politician (not convicted of any crime) should not be added to a category of notable criminals". If you wish for the article to be in the category please discuss on the article's talk page and help build a consensus. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 09:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
So, I remember someone (I think it was you? Or maybe someone else on your talk page?) saying on a talk page that the "Strategy Recommendations" were too long for them to read. Assuming it was you: I attempted to summarize the, ah, less messed-up parts of the recommendations at m:Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Summary, which I hope might be helpful. If it wasn't you, sorry for interrupting. :) -- Yair rand ( talk) 20:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Well than what do you consider reliable a neo modern source tell me the facts that i give are all very well documented in ancient,modern and neo,modern so just tell me that what era do you want my sources to be from i think i can manage will pre mughal era do Yoohooyoo ( talk) 04:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Well mr rather than edit warring if you were to do your research the author of the source given by me on the page awan is named sher muhammad awan and he was a respected historian of the awan tribe and a well published author in his native country and he died in early 1982 rather than the 1967 you are creating out of the blue just to spite and edit war with me now give a solid credible reason or leave it alone and i shall restore my edit Yoohooyoo ( talk) 07:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Nothing to do with Wikipedia but does anyone know how I could go about identifying a country house-style building from a 1960s photo? I have three or four family photos from that period which I think are taken somewhere in Norfolk but my mother reckons must be in North Wales (we do, at least, agree on the first three letters of the location!). I've tried dragging and dropping into Google Images, and my dad wasn't a particularly imaginative photographer so I should think his camera-pointing was done from a fairly common position. - Sitush ( talk) 07:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
"country house-style building"- which seems a step below English country house - however if it is one of the major ones - then yes - rifling through the known ones in North Wales or Norfolk - would be much faster than what I am suggesting. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Bro you said citations needs to have all the author details and ISBN number etc etc. And did provided those this time. Then why were they removed? HinduKshatrana ( talk) 15:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You removed Biharis from the Martial race list with the justification that they weren't mentioned however, this quote seems to contradict that:
"For any traveller on the roads of Bihar, an inescapable image comes to mind. That of a peasant who always keeps his wooden club or lathi at hand, under no circumstances letting it out of his reach. The Biharis, who constitute a martial race in India similar to the Sikhs or the Pathans, in keeping with the role conceived by the British colonial administration, were a mother lode for Monghol and English army recruiters. Their independent fighting spirit, which has earned them a reputation for toughness, has been in evidence throughout their history."
Source (which you removed for some reason): Servan-Schreiber, Catherine (1998). "Indian Epics of the Terai Conquest: The Story of a Migration". Diogenes. doi:10.1177/039219219804618106.
And here is a screenshot which is taken directly from the source itself: https://imgur.com/2HRRveU In anticipation that you will likely claim the source is "not reliable", I will advise you to take note that the article was published in Diogenes (journal) which is supported by UNESCO. This in and of itself doesn't make it reliable but showcases its status. I eagerly await your response! 213.205.198.2 ( talk) 13:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Kaikolars in Andhra Pradesh were called as Kaikalas. In Andhra pradesh OBC list, the word Kaikolar and Kaikalas or Karikalabakthalu were listed as Same caste(Group- B, vocational, caste no.9)
In wikipedia there is separate page for Kaikalas and Kaikolar. Please made Kaikalas and Kaikolar in single page
Reference:
https://aponline.gov.in/Quick%20Links/Departments/Backward%20Classes%20Welfare/A%20P%20Backward%20Classes%20Co-operative%20Finance%20Corporation/FAQ/FAQ.html
Tiruchengode (
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07:54, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
The word Kaikolar is a tamil word. In telugu slang it is pronounced as Kaikala Tiruchengode ( talk) 16:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Sir please see this source Kaikala or Kaikkala is an alternative spinning for Kaikolar https://books.google.co.in/books?id=i4pvVOd2L0cC&pg=PA180&lpg=PA180&dq=Kaikala+and+Karikalabhakthula&source=bl&ots=uSOKdCW1Bu&sig=ACfU3U2dCrFAXy-RUgcqc7404dUVpNetBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0jsfC5dXkAhVu7nMBHZ92CroQ6AEwGXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Kaikala%20and%20Karikalabhakthula&f=false Tiruchengode ( talk) 16:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Is this is reliable source
Tiruchengode (
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You are wrong. no new election has held in Haryana since 2014. Edit was related to Legislative assembly elections, not Parliament elections...parliament elections took place but legislative(mla) elections are schedules in later part of the year...You are changing edits without having proper knowledge of Haryana — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnywonderful ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sir. It seems you changed my edit. The editings I made are based on facts and I provided references. its a common knowledge in Haryana that gurgaon district is considered part of Ahirwal region and Ahirwati is one of the language spoken there. I could have removed other languages mentioned but I did not even though most of those languages are not native and spoken mostly by migrant groups..but as Gurgaon is now a global city having people from different parts of world, I chose not to remove other languages mentioned, but you don't even allow me to write the name of local language/dialect spoken in gurgan, which is ahirwati language.It wasn't my point of view but its a fact that Ahirwati is one of the regional language of gurgaon, which can be considered mixture of Haryanvi as well as rajasthani..gurgaon is close to rajasthan so rajasthani have some influence And you are talking about references and how unreliable they are..ok forget the references I provided...the language section of gurgaon have 2 references and both of those references mentions ahirwati is one of the language spoken in Gurgaon...I did not added those references, the referfences mentions ahirwati but the wiki article does not...but using same refrences it mentions other dialects like mewati, haryanv...mewati in spoken in mewat district of haryana(nuh)..very few speakers in gurgaon...Ahirwati has more native speakers than both Haryanvi and Mewati in Gurgaon.
So using those 2 references its okay to mention mewati, haryanvi etc, but not ok to ahirwati when references clearly says ahirwati is spoken in gurgaon? Its a common knowldedge in haryana that Gurgaon is considered part of Ahirwal region and ahirwali dialect is spoken..even the wiki pages of parts of gurgaon district like pataudi, sohna, manesar, farrukhnagar says that they are part of ahirwal region...I did not edited those pages to say they are part of ahirwal region.
thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnywonderful ( talk • contribs) 11:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
I would like a rationale. It's interesting, relevant, and harmless. Also unless I find a 101 newspaper references, it will be gone in a week?-- Nemonoman ( talk) 17:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
a fierce advocate, and things get nasty fastwith those who conflict him. Shall I shudder in fear?
I agree, delete. But I wanted to mention with appreciation your objective descriptions, and your efforts to find some other mentions beyond the silly refs in the article. Thank you. -- Nemonoman ( talk) 20:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Noting your efforts to clean up the Upasani article, and again noting my appreciation of your approach. -- Nemonoman ( talk) 17:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
-- Vikram Nankani ( talk) 04:39, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey, is this notable? Some versions are spam; others are very negative. I removed the "allegations" per BLP as it concerns living people and we usually don't repeat allegations that are not proven in court. Cheers, -- Deep fried okra 13:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I Saurabh Mishra, inform you that, Raj Darbhanga also known as Khandwal dynasty. (Raj Darbhanga means raja(king) of Darbhanga.) This dynasty was Maithil Brahman dynasty. See pages 58–59 in reference number 4. सौरभ मिश्र ( talk) 07:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Raj Darbhanga was from Khandawala in Mithila, due to which that dynasty is called Khandwal dynasty. If you have problems with this, you can reach Darbhanga and get information. And Raj Darbhanga is called Khandwal, not Khandewal. सौरभ मिश्र ( talk) 12:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=A0i94Z5C8HMC&pg=PA55&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
I do not write anything of information on any subject. If I write anything further, do not remove it, this is a request. And the link is given above, read pages 60–61 in full. And the Khandwal dynasty ,not Khandewal dynasty. सौरभ मिश्र ( talk) 15:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I've topic banned Thakur Singh from pages related to caste and social groups. Please let me know if you should see him violating the ban. Bishonen | talk 07:09, 26 September 2019 (UTC).
∯WBG converse 17:41, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello Kratos123456789 ( talk) 16:13, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Sitush,
I don't know why you are CSD tagging pages by Ahmed Gop, saying they are products of a banned editor. Ahmed Gop is not a blocked editor, nor identified as a sock puppet. Please do not tag their page for deletion until they are tagged as a sockpuppet. This is premature. File a SPI report or contact a checkuser if they think they are a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 04:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Edit war from nair sock puppets {IPvandal|49.207.53.134}}
These sockpuppets are deleting original work which has citations and reference. Making nair glorification and simply vandalising page.
I request admin and moderaters to make.
Make semiprotect. Kalangot ( talk) 09:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Nair are shudra, sudra varna in kerala. Someone deleted that from Nair wikipedia page. Please add. Also add great historian M. G. S. Narayanan historical reveal that Nair are formed from Adivasi, present day sc st by Namboothiris. Link : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/in-other-news/081116/nairs-of-kerala-originated-from-the-adivasis-says-mgs-narayanan.html Kalangot ( talk) 10:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Namaste, Sitush. We would like to inform you about the recent changes to the WikiProject. As you may know, the old newsletter for WikiProject India ceased circulation in 2010. Now we have re-launched the newsletter in a new way. As a member, you are cordially invited to subscribe to the newsletter. Thank you.
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Welcome back.
I sought some clarification at Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-09-30/From_the_editors. I pinged you because this comment you made triggered concerns for me.
I quoted this passage from your comment "I harass here every day and will continue to do so due to my belief that the content is what counts, not the people. I'm not here to be nice."
I found the surface meaning of this passage alarming, because, as I noted there, we are all subject to normal human fallibility. If, after reviewing your comment, you decide you don't stand by that apparent surface meaning, just say so, and I'll forget my concern.
If you think that being entrusted with administrator authority frees you from some or all of our civility policies and conventions, can I ask if you think there is a policy or conventions that justifies this? Granted, there are instances where good faith attempts at civility fail. But, in my opinion, everyone, including administrators, including Jimbo Wales, should try civility first.
I also raised a concern over whether administrators should offer Fram extraordinary protection from having other contributors pose good faith questions, or voice good faith concerns, over his edits or comments. In my opinion every member of our community should make their edits and comments knowing that other members of the community may review them, and voice concerns, ask good faith questions.
You left this comment on my user talk page. Fram was preparing his second RFA, had a draft in userspace. The advice for those requesting administrator authority points out that contributors with whom they had a conflict in the past are free to write their version of that conflict, in the RFA. It advises those requesting administrator authority to consider reaching out to those contributors first.
Fram had recently left a comment about me, on his meta talk page. But he did not contact me when preparing for his 2nd RFA. I think the comments I left on Fram's talk page are consistent with the comments that would have been completely within what would have been appropriate for me to leave on his 2nd RFA, and, thus, not "pestering".
So, what was the meaning of your comment? If you were putting on your administrator authority, and warning me that you were considering blocking me, or using your administrator authority in some other way, then I request you clarify (1) what kind of edit or comment would trigger you using that authority; (2) the policy or convention you think I was lapsing from.
I don't think anyone has suggested that, now that Fram has had his block lifted, he should be the target of uncivil or unfair comments or criticism. I certainly haven't advocated that. Nor do I believe I have made any uncivil or unfair comments about Fram, or about his edits and comments. Geo Swan ( talk) 18:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Sitush. Wor Jimmy has finally arrived. All the best, Roy. No Great Shaker ( talk) 17:00, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
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Had a great time with you editing Wikipedia. Cheers. Surge_Elec ( talk) 12:40, 26 December 2019 (UTC) |
Hello Sitush: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 17:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, Sitush! Could you please take a look at the article Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha? I just full-protected it to stop the edit warring. It looks as if all three combatants are quite new users (autoconfirmed though), so I posted an explanation of what they are supposed to do on the talk page. But some neutral, expert eyes on the article could be helpful. Plus, of course, I undoubtedly protected the WP:Wrong Version! Thanks. -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back sir. Although not a contributor, I stumbled upon the articles of Kayastha and Ambashtha and noticed serious POV pushes, made by new users. Would you kindly check those. I would have restored to your version, but considering the big time gap and substantial good edits in between, I chose not to. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 09:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back - it really hasn't been the same without you - Arjayay ( talk) 11:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
My dear i would like to tell you this thing, yadav are kashtriya not shudra.could you please show me where is mentioned about yadav are shudra.if yadu is myhthlogical king and what all about another kashtriya.bhagwat geeta is the main evidence of yadav.swami dayanand sarswati also spoke about yadav and told they are pure blood aryans.not like rajput or another because all they are mixed blood people of huns kushans and shqs people.milk selling is profession not varn.there are numbers of castes people sells milk include rajput jatt and gurjar brahmans.so how can you say yadav are shudr.correct your information which is spreading like roumours about it.which book tells yadav are shudra please tell me i shall read it.it very funny you have no real knabout yadav.you have just one word, yadu is mythological king.are you foolish man? And i also tell about ahir and yadav.ahir is the tittle not caste.so change the false information on here.and wikipedia is not holy book its present time man wrote book. Vrishni yaadvinder ( talk) 10:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
You are right brother. I am Dhakad (successor of Balram), we are brother.And are not sudra as our ancestors i.e Krishna and Balram are kashtriya Kunal Nagar ( talk) 13:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush! Could you please take a look at this discussion? -- 99v ( talk) 12:58, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Senaithalivar page contain many unreliable sources so review this page. Tirukodimadachengunrur ( talk) 10:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Nice cleanup! Bishonen | tålk 20:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC).
If you think I am stalking you report it, do not use it as an ill founded ad hominem, such action are a violation of wp:npa. I have no insulted you do not insult me. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, Sorry I don't know how to control this. Someone has left a very vulgar message on my talk page in response to you. I want you to know that it is not me. Nevertheless, I am sorry as my talk page was used to abuse you. DifferentialCalculus ( talk) 16:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
You made me laugh out loud today with I saw your !vote and comment at the AfD we've been discussing. Given how the discussion had been progressing it was unexpected. Anyway, I mean all this in a positive, collaborative way. Regards,-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
The ideology of class has yielded place to communal ideas. Javed Alam reacted to this by saying that the problems of communalism cannot be understood by counter- poising class against community. In India, the larger castes have collapsed into communities like jadav, kurmi, etc, who do not accept Brahmanical categories, hierarchies and ritual discriminations.[1]
References
And a reference for your earlier comment linking Jadav with Yadav in Bihar. In the IHDS, a sample of 41,554 household yielded a list of 7,372 castes. Some of these are different spellings of the same group, Jadav vs Yadav; but others refer to totally different but similar sounding groups, e g, Jat vs Jatav.
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-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 20:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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The verbiage for this barnstar sounds like it fits you to a T. Thanks for all that you do... and have done. – CaroleHenson ( talk) 20:20, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
Hi Sitush Outlander07 is distruptly editing contents on Kerala Caste pages, Could you check his edit history and See.
Look at this how he made this List of Nairs
l have never heard of Nair having Kingdom , he included every royal dynasties to list of Nair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:530:DF60:4D00:555C:CA7A:45C ( talk) 03:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Why are you calling me vandal?? Dont you see false edit done by someone like 'Kalangot' in all pages without proper resources,reverting them to original edit is vandalism???
Outlander07 ( talk) 06:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
While cleaning up the Chitraguptavanshi page,you've cited one reason that there has been several rulings(namely Allahabad,Calcutta and finally Patna high court's) on Kayasthas. But,the FINAL RULING WAS BY PATNA HIGH COURT IN 1926. THE PATNA HIGH COURT RULED OUT THE OTHER RULINGS DONE IN CALCUTTA HIGH COURT AS INCONCLUSIVE AND DECLARED KAYASTHAS AS KSHATRIYAS. THAT WAS THE FINAL RULING!
Not sure, where your reply is coming form. Some one-liner references from some publications are being added as cite-able references in an article and when countered, the edit is not just discarded but also labelled as 'Canvassing'? Not just that, accusing of being part of campaign and what not... Also taking names of select publications in response also sounds like labeling the editor profiles start here early on at entry itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjamani ( talk • contribs) 14:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
There has been addition of non-notable persons and people without Mudaliar surname in the List of Mudaliars page. It requires constant supervision and clean up of non-notable and personalities Who don’t have Mudaliar surname Thanks! Srivatsarcot1 ( talk) 17:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Is there any issue for adding contents in 'List of Nair' article with proper citations?.Saw you removed poorely sourced or unsourced contents from that article.Is there any restrictions? Outlander07 ( talk) 09:06, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I saw that you removed this saying "also copyvio from his official website". But these look like plain facts? Perhaps the phrase "the perennial victim of Sod's law whose girlfriend has dumped him to marry" might be easily trimmed out (although it seems to be a perfectly accurate description of the plot)? Apart from that, I can't really see how that list of roles and appearances could be easily "rewritten" in any way. Many thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 13:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
You are a major contributor of Kayastha page. Can you increase the level of protection of Kayastha page? Can you help me to add information to the page as you are old and experienced editor? I have good information but dont know how and where to add. Vikram Q1W2 ( talk) 16:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Articles like Chitpawan have list of notables. Can you add the same to Kayastha? Can you add clearly the similarities and differences between bengali kayastha and chitraguptavanshi kayastha? The article is very confusing on that point. Vikram Q1W2 ( talk) 15:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I am giving some links here.
Can u add 12th century Kayastha rulers in Andhra country in your encyclopedic language? They used titles like Arivira Brahmarakshasa. Vikram Q1W2 ( talk) 20:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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You're still around, Sitush--I'm glad. Hope you are well. You'll be pleased to know that the CBX is running on all six legs. Take care! Drmies ( talk) 03:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC) |
Hi Sitush - I see that user Nittawinoda has started engaging in his caste POVs again, He seems to be violating Wiki topic ban, can you please help check Sangitha rani111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Please take a look at articles such as Vanniyar, Agnivansha, Maravar, they have been edited for caste glorification with false information and POV intents Sangitha rani111 ( talk) 01:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)Sangitha rani111
Thanks Bishonen for providing feedback. Regards Sangitha rani111 ( talk) 02:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Sangitha rani111
Hi, I would like you Sitush to have a look at the page of Samajwadi Party. A lot of vandalism has taken place there, and inspite of numerous efforts, incidents of malicious edits are taking place. A lot has been changed there. Kindly restore and do something about that! Thanks in advance.
Hello sir.. I just a question of the book name- peasants and monks in British India by sir willam r. Pich. Where is write and proof (koeris) is a shudra caste aur Clune ? Vicky Singh 2021 ( talk) 07:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
But my only suggestion is let us keep wikipedia neutral and verifiable. Bangali Babu Is Back ( talk) 17:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that Bengali Kayasthas are not the only ones who might have mixed with shudra and slave women.
Here is another one:
This is not regarding the Kayastha article. So,added this discussion here.
Wikipedia should not be made a battleground of caste wars. Dinopce ( talk) 18:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
there is a slow burning crosswiki editwar/vandalism from this user and while this edit was "sourced" it seems like an intentional attack and it certainly doesn't belong in the lead. You're the go-to editor around here for these things, so could you take a look? Thanks! Praxidicae ( talk) 14:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi sitush,
Could you please look into the suspected disruptive edits made on pages Sambandham, Moopil Nair and Mannanar.Requesting a cleanup.Outlander07 10:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, frankly I'm unsure about how to deal with this delightful person; haven't encountered quite that level of venom before. I assume it may not be a first for you, so - does one shop the editor directly to AIV on the strength of those edit summaries alone, or try to go through some futile "discuss on the talk page" exercise first, or what...? -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Please take care when you remove references which do not support on statement to make sure that they are not referenced elswhere in the article, and if they are, please make sure that the ref is still valid after your edit. Thanks, RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 16:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I read your message on my talk page. I got that. But why the information on Yaduvanshi Ahirs clan page was blanked and redirected towards the Ahir page when clearly details were given about that particular Yadu Ahir clan precisely, while there's a Yaduvanshi Rajput page who claims the same descent(for 2-3 tribes of their own) from Yadavas or Yadav lunar clan or whatever... So there are 2 sect of the society which claims the same descent but one is framed as false? And the information wasn't just written there on Yadu Ahir clan article, but the refs were provided for each statement too! HinduKshatrana ( talk) 13:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
You are personally showing yadavs down. The lead image on yadav page was knowingly changed by you. Your edit summaries are full of underbelt attack on yadavs. You are a jativadi yadav hating divide and rule agent. Propaganda machine of the rich and powerful. Yadavs will fight back. The African Hindu ( talk) 14:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Yaduvanshi are no more chandravanshi. In fact, the king yadu was himself cursed by his father that he and his generation will no longer carry the family's lineage so yadu himself establish a lineage called yaduvanshi, ie:they are no longer chandravanshi. They were just an Indian tribes. Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 17:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Dear administrator, the central description of article "ancient Indian Kshatriya" should be changed to ancient hindu tribes. As their ancestral king was cursed by his father that he will no longer carry the family lineage/kingdom.So, they are just a Indian tribes. Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 17:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, for your contributions.
Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 17:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I know there's been a lot going on, in negative way, probably by me, but I recently found a problem bigger than that. Someone has created this page Khalistan Sovereign State for spreading seperatist propoganda. Please take a look. Thanks. HinduKshatrana ( talk) 19:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Chudasama Rajputs were Yadava Rajputs (Yaduvanshi Rajputs) although Author Samira Sheikh in his book "Alliance, Genealogy and Political Power " says that Chudasama were originally pastoralists with links to Islam is it Valid ??? Chudasama were originally from Samma dynasty of Sindh. Raakuldeep ( talk) 12:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello sir Mr Sitush i have added more information in Yaduvanshi Rajput page with reference Kindly review it , hope it will be considered as reliable Raakuldeep ( talk) 05:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I've added some new data about Yadu family on Ahir page. Hopefully, this time the refs are reliable. HinduKshatrana ( talk) 11:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The Ahirs believe that they are descendants of the moon and belong to the Yadu family, famous for their fighting spirit.So the non- HISTRS source is misrepresented by you. And the third source doesn't support your claim. - NitinMlk ( talk) 15:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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My Village Pump (policy) comment. Ugh, I am sorry you're on mobile. Can you get it to switch to desktop view for each session? I am technically clueless, as you know, but Iridescent had some things to say about mobile access in a recent discussion on EEng's talkpage, including that Mediawiki will always serve up the mobile view and not save a preference for desktop view, but that one can switch on a per-session basis. Anyway, we are safe and well here so far, and I hope you and yours are, too. Yngvadottir ( talk) 20:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Observed a recent edits to Moopil Nair and found that there are a numerous pov pushes . It's written as a Facebook post rather than a Wikipedia history article.
Also user User:Outlander07 is a Nair vandal.
His all edits are hisown edits and it's reverts done by himself only. For every 50 other edits he does a Nair pov push.
He is using multiple sock puppets accounts. Recent edits to Channar revolt and Mannanar are from the same IP he is using.
Look at Moopil Nair and other Nair related pages like Samantha Kshatriya and Kiryathil Nair. Here all these pages you can find a numerous POV pushes like vandalising the article by stating Nair are Kshatriyas ( actually shudras ).
Source doesn't cite anything written in these articles.
Also Samantha Kshatriyas are kings of Kerala ,they hold the title
Varma and not nair.they are not
Nair.
I request you to look these pages
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:12A2:3CD1:557B:CB9F:7074:22DC ( talk) 12:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
First of all, let me tell you I am not into edit warring as you said above. Don't call me vandal as I hadn't done any kind of vandalism in wiki pages (No abuse from other users till now). We are using Dynamic IP and i have enough brain not to accuse you that you had done the disruptive edit as your IP series are shown in above said articles. I can even accuse you as a sock of Kalangot as your anonymous behaviour says so. Sitush The said OR and POV's in above Nair pages are not mine. I just reverted an edit on the article Moopil Nair and placed a citation tag on it . The above guy is still on British raj era calling names like Shudras and all. I can show the above guy doing disruptive edit in a sourced article saying "not in the source". The guy said above was correct I had made edits in Channar Revolt and Mannanar check the edit history and find out what I had done. I know the rules of Wikipedia as I'm a registered user, not an anonymous like above. Already left you a message on the talk page to make cleanup on the suspected disruptive edit pages. Please look into his statement "Also Samantha Kshatriyas are kings of Kerala, they hold the title Varma and not nair.they are not Nair" Last time he from other IP complained (How Dynasties comes under List of Nairs Page? Who cares?) He need the articles in his way if it is sourced or unsourced. Outlander07 14:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Please look into this, most likely the above anonymous guy doing [ [6]], [ [7]].Outlander07 15:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Please check Samantha Kshatriya and see the above guy who accused me a vandal doing.. Outlander 07@talk 04:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Respected editor, please note that 99.9999% of yadavs are in Hinduism so in section of religion only Hinduism should be written. Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 01:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I've semiprotected this page for another three days. Bishonen | tålk 15:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC).
Hi,
Please have a look on the page Samantha Kshatriya. The very same IP Series who accused me as a vandal last week (check here [ [8]]) for reverting his edits is into disruptive edit. I'm not going to revert it. Thank You Outlander 07@talk 08:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
If you have time keep an eye on the page Caste system in Kerala some POV pushes are going on. Outlander 07@talk 16:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I would like a reply from u for reverting the changes I have done. Rimeg ( talk) 11:30, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Mr sitush ur very active on wikepdia ....I would like to discuss something on kapu page Rimeg ( talk) 12:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The source u have given on kapu stating shudra status only shows that reddy and kamma were different class than kapu kulana ( u can read it) and in kapu page u have edited that kamma branch of kapu and all so it's become confusing Rimeg ( talk) 12:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
So atleast u can explain above that anceitly kapu name was given to a tribe and these castes branched of it while the caste kapu ur refering on this page is different . Rimeg ( talk) 12:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I’ve been seeing you editing & adding satirical remarks on every edit summary in WP:Kingdom of Jeypore. I’d like to remind you that making satirical remarks while hiding behind a username does not make you cool or enlightened. I understand it’s not your fault that you are not born in a royal family but you don’t need to be so salty about it. In your recent edit summary you stated that only 50 people attended the ceremony and hence you think it’s trivial. Let me tell you something because you sound really clueless, well again it’s not your fault, if you were really a smart person you wouldn’t be wasting your time editing random pages on Wikipedia.
As you already mentioned earlier that the titles & status enjoyed by kings of India was cancelled by Indira Gandhi in 1971. When all titles are already cancelled then how many people do you expect ? a million ? These coronations now are generally conducted to appoint a ceremonial king who plays a vital cultural role in the main festivals of Rath Yatra & Vijaydashmi Dussera. For instance the festival of Rath Yatra can’t be carried forward unless the king sweeps the chariot and only then the crowd will pull the chariot. Even when the prince was not coronated from 2006 - 2013 he did the kingly duties.
You can see any other modern coronation in India of ceremonial kings where you will find less than 100 attendees. And that’s simply because they don’t enjoy the same power and status as their ruling predecessors.
You can edit, remove, delete the page, we don’t give a s#*% . But when anyone writes those satires in the edit summary they are actually making a fool out of themselves. Bcz according to an Indian saying “when the elephant walks there a lot of dogs who bark at him but he’s unaffected, unmoved by their attitude, because he knows one small step and the dogs will be done for life.”
Meanwhile you must be thinking why am I so annoyed by this attitude. That’s because the royal family has taken care of me & my tribe for the past many years. Their trusts include schools & colleges and we all gain free education and medical facilities with the help of our King. And not just my tribe, basically, all tribes are helped. We face discrimination from the state government because of our ethnicity and if the royal family didn’t provide us the facilities we would have stayed in our little tribes.
So If you can’t show respect then at least don’t show disrespect to anyone. I know being born as a commoner is not easy but you seem too burnt up. And if you are British then it makes sense because they only like their own race. They talk highly about their kings & queens when in reality these British kings and queens are no less than the kings of a Shakespeare play. Just acting as a king or a queen doesn’t make one a real king or queen. The whole world satires about how useless the Queen is and how stupid are those people who support this fake monarchy and this fake dynasty.
They captured a lot of our people as slaves too when they entered our valley and destroyed the fort of Jeypore and these days I see them crossing all levels of hypocrisy when I see them doing BLM protests. Because systemic racism is present inside every native.
So edit as much as you want and waste your time and energy because new books & articles are on progress and once we receive them we will edit again. Till then fo & carry on your multi million dollar job as a wiki admin. You must be getting paid a lot for being such a genius. Or if you need a job let me know I can get you a better one where you don’t insult people while hiding behind a username. Dallasyuri ( talk) 10:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You assume a lot that’s the problem. Why would a royal, owner of three palaces, two forts and thousand acres of land would waste his time talking to a nobody, who doesn’t even have a real name. WTH is Sitush, LOL. We are a group of students in Vikram Deb College, Jeypore who were assigned with a project of creating a Wikipedia page (any) and we chose to publish an article on our kingdom.
Until you guys deleted almost half of our work. Why didn’t anyone inform us in first place that Raj Sources are not valid anymore. And who made this silly rule, most of the Indian history is based on Raj era sources that were republished as it was, word to word.
For example, WP:Sisodia is an article about a rajput dynasty. They have the same mythical crap but you won’t delete it bcz those books were published post-Raj era. I mean if we republish those books that you removed or rewrite it then you won’t be able to change anything.
Dallasyuri ( talk) 12:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC) —-
Your highness, lets punish this useless Sitush, a jobless freak who is a burden on society. The loser is undergoing psychiatric treatment but I think he needs better doctors, probably someone from the subcontinent. We have the resources, lets drag him to court and make an example out of him. Or if you have better ideas I will be all to happy to participate. And Sitush... the queen wont even let you near her dog forget about anything bipedal, it seems you have been talking to jimmy on phone again?? Merry Passon ( talk) 12:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I spit on such Queen & ppl who killed millions, enslaved them, robbed entire continents of their wealth. Buuuuuut I’m glad they didn’t even spend it on their own people. I mean I don’t hear Brits enjoying any part of that enormous wealth. Bcz it now rests with the elites while these thick head ppl dwell in their same mundane jobs. That’s why you all are so salty. Your own govt tricked you and now you all are the most hated human beings in the world. Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
So you attacking yourself by making fake IDs. This is what I expected from a wite racis c**t like you. But guess what you don’t own Wikipedia, we will Phuk yo mo my for doing these silly tricks. Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You make fake IDs and you block. But can you stop me from coming back ? No doggie Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
So it’s better that we start talking seriously as I have a few questions to ask Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Because if you keep on blocking me I’ll keep on coming back, and I have a lot of IP address so don’t worry about that. I just want to know if we those Raj sources are republished would it be allowed or no ? Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
But many wiki pages are using them. See WP:Sisodia they are using all mythical stories but it’s referenced so I guess it hasn’t been removed. I was just wondering if they could do that then why not others. Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello admin! I want to know for what reason you removed important contents from article Arjuna which have proper citation. All those sources were taken from K.M. Ganguly's dubbed version of Vyasa's Mahabharata. https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/ There's nothing can be more reliable than this. Please rollback your edits. Ratan375 ( talk) 17:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello! Why you removed all his other names like Sabyasachi. He clearly mentioned his all names in Virata Parva. This is about a character of Mahabharata. Basic source should be Mahabharata. Ratan375 ( talk) 03:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
A new page has been built about Biraha, which is a very popular folklore of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. But I am mistaken that the spelling has gone wrong in the title of the article. The correct spelling of the article is 'Biraha' but I have missed 'a' in it . Help Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 15:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you sir. Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 16:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I'd really appreciate it if you could find a little time to review the quality of the sources in Kingdom of Jeypore. I stripped out all of the obvious Raj era ones today, but they do get put back or replaced by equally unsatisfactory ones. I have taken one of the editors to WP:AE and am now considering taking the other, so any independent views on the sourcing (and the general quality of the article) would be very useful. Thanks -- RexxS ( talk) 01:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush - I hope you are well.
At
Religion in Kerala an editor is edit-warring (5 deletions today, so far) about one of the stories about St Thomas - he doesn't like one version so he is repeatedly deleting it. The section he is deleting is sourced to:-
I am unfamiliar with either source - do you have an opinion on their likely reliability? (reliability for myths is rather a contradiction in terms) - Best wishes - Arjayay ( talk) 15:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I differs but respect your views. Did my comment at talk page providing this RS made you angry? Can I not suggest even a RS at talk page? ScholarM ( talk) 19:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Said editor tried the same edit(s) back in April 2016. Is it time to notify an Admin? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 19:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
For the past few days I’ve been seeing edits made on kingdom of Jeypore by you and other editors. The page seems to be locked as well. We hereby request you to delete the page as it is humiliating to read an entirely fake narrative based on sources written by writers who have never been to the region and hence are not familiar with the significance of the kingdom and it’s history. The entire history of the region has been distorted and misinterpreted using foreign writers “little known” books. You must delete this page as we can’t let such version of history written by “Little Wikipedia editors” to get any relevance. You have also mentioned the family as Rajput, let me tell you something, you can’t change the dynasty and the roots of a family just because some European fool wrote it in his research book. Therefore, I’d request you to delete this page. JahangirMo7 ( talk) 09:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Reasons of Deletion (6) “Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and articles that are themselves hoaxes (but not articles describing notable hoaxes)”
I request you to delete this article not because I don’t like it. This article is spreading misinformation about a notable family too. You are using only those sources that are the works of European writers. Who don’t even know the difference between a Rajput & other kshatriya varnas. You mention the first king as a rajput when it’s clearly mentioned in the royal genealogy that the family is not rajput.
Not just this there is some irrelevant mention of Bissam-Cuttack. This article shows it has been written by confused writers who have 0 information about the place and are just relying on a few European journals.
Please delete this article. JahangirMo7 ( talk) 10:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Most European writers mention every Indian king as Rajput which is wrong and the same is done here by one of them. You have blocked editors, may I know why ? This is a case of online bullying and harassment. You have taken over a page, locked all editing and now you are just adding whatever you feel like. Which I don’t think is a sign of a decent man. So delete this page and end the conversation. JahangirMo7 ( talk) 10:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Would you mind taking a look at the recent editing history of Hinduism and LGBT topics and Homosexuality in India, and giving your thoughts? Further context can be found on my talk page. Hölderlin2019 ( talk) 11:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
The article stated that Ahir r also known as Yadav and even Jadhav in Northern India and Maharashtra respectively. Source - Population Geography: A Journal of the Association of Population Geographers of India, Volume 10, Issues 1-2" https://books.google.com/books/about/Population_Geography.html?id Thank you. Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 20:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Source- https://books.google.com/books/about/Population_Geography.html?id=SQIzAAAAIAAJ Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 20:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello , @ Sitush , I'm RoboShutter from kerala , can you please help for review a article and remove the deletion request. Article Shakir Subhan , sincerly RoboShutter ( talk) 08:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
It is not so fair to portray a community or a group as slaves like those written in "Caste System In Kerala".It is very clear throughout the article that someone needs to glorify their caste status by portraying others as very lowest and even trying to compare them with Animals.I am pretty sure that there are certain guidelines for wikipedia to write articles with good manners whether it is sourced or unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.97.222.251 ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Just been catching up with your work on VLS. Really careful good work, let’s hope the page starts to get a bit better now.
But be ready for a fight: VLS has used any number of sock puppets in the past, and seems determined that those who know the most about him (ie former collaborators) do not edit.
The history bears reviewing. Anything to do with his birth for example is clearly a sore point. Going back a bit further I found this version, also less than balanced though the other way, maybe it has things of use now that you have taken an interest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Victor_Lewis-Smith&oldid=288489349
Good luck! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.83.158 ( talk) 13:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Please have a look on the pages Nagavanshi and Vadakkan Pattukal seems cleanup is needed. Outlander 07@talk 04:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Can you please tell me how to add link to a particular page of a book found in Google Books without copy-pasting the cluttery link? I need something similar to what you did in Arjuna wiki page in ref 4. How to get the url of that particular page?
( PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC))
Thanks in advance. :) PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Here is the link:
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=u3meRFXGpq0C&pg=PA153&lpg=PA153&dq=draupadi+as+sachi&source=bl&ots=l9oCKePH5X&sig=ACfU3U2o5NwrWDk_lsy5UpFkkVYVUj7mxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb5uS_zJPqAhUHlEsFHWfaD3gQ6AEwE3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=draupadi%20as%20sachi&f=false PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Actually, I like how you added [1] in Arjuna page in the marriage section. (Ref 4)
How can I make my google book reference of pg 153 look like what you did in Arjuna page?
Really sorry for the bother. PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I am speaking of the Ref to the Handbook of Hindu Mythology. PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you :) If that source is not valid, do you think this one will work? https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/draupadi
I cannot find the google book for this excerpt, though.
PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I might pester you again for a thing or two. :P Also, if you need any help with Arjuna wiki revamp, feel free to ask. So far, things look good, though. :)
( PatientWaiter ( talk) 10:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC))
I was going to accuse you of intemperate editing, but the previous unsigned lines "VLS" serve my purpose well. Your recent edits have excited the author of that weak diatribe. Critics like VLS attract such people (as his edit history shows) enough to make baseless accusations. Here the subject is accused of using "sock puppets", of being "ready for a fight", and for blocking former "collaborators" from editing. All the while, your new admirer uses fawning language to encourage you to draw on (probably the author's) old negative VLS edits. Talk pages should be as stringently controlled as main pages. The author clearly delighted in your inaccuracies, such as erasing the subject's honorary doctorate (I checked today with Westminster and you are plain wrong and it was awarded in 2008), and revelled in some of your other intemperate edits. If I can replicate the sort of time and energy you obviously have, I will start to clarify and rectify those (some of which you are right to challenge). But can I be bothered to defend a critic who dished it out in his time? Maybe not. Don't be a quick to draw Barnstar Bully. Gavelboy ( talk) 23:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I have nothing to do with the subject of this entry any more than others I have edited over the years. The hon doc issue irritates me because I saw it in print somewhere. If I get time, I'll follow it up. Actually on reading it more closely your edits (and re edits!) do seem impartial and fair. I am a novice at this. Gavelboy ( talk) 12:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello I noticed that you are checking Hindu Mythological articles like Arjuna, Abhimanyu. I request you to check article Karna. Latest section "etymology and epithets" is completely unsourced. No proper citations are given. If possible, please remove it. Thank you and have a nice day. Fire star on heat ( talk) 04:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, actually I wanted to see version before you started editing article Arjuna. Hence I used twinkle and saw it but accidentally I pressed "restore version" option. Hence I reverted my edit again. Sorry for that and thanks for thanking my edit. I understood that you got my point. Thank you and have a nice day. Fire star on heat ( talk) 14:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
I needed to know, are promotional content allowed as per Wiki policies? In the last 2 edits of Karna wiki page, I find that promotional words such as "superhuman qualities", etc have been added which are not even used in the scholarly references cited. It makes the article sound like fan-fiction more than objective facts about the character.
Thanks. ( PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC))
I understand you are having a hard time with Arjuna wiki. You may refer to Kevin Mcgrath's Arjuna the Double Hero to get all your facts in one place.
Regarding Karna wiki, the said edits have not been done because the epic is mythology. The added words come under the category of what has been described as puffery and peacock in Wiki policies. It goes against the spirit of what the cited sources say. For instance, Kevin Mcgrath states, Karna is one of the key antagonists (despite his plus points). But the words are being inverted in the page to change the meaning. I cant undo the changes because, the page is edit locked for vandalism. The irony!
The huge tussle between fans of Arjuna and Karna have arisen from the considerable discrepancy between the primary sources of the epic and pop-culture literature based on it. In the primary sources (that, is the epic itself), Karna is more grey-shaded although he is also lauded in places. And the overall track record of Arjuna as a warrior is better. However, the depiction in popular culture, literature, et all is exactly the opposite. Karna has somehow garnered more attention (as all flawed characters do) and have been raised by later bards to surreal heights of glory, owing to sympathy factor of him being abandoned by his mother. Now, the masses don't generally read primary sources, they always refer to popular literature. And even if they do read the epic text, their mindset is already coloured by the pop-culture, and they refuse to accept anything otherwise. I hope that gives you a picture. PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for taking your time out for this. :) ( PatientWaiter ( talk) 10:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC))
Heroes and kings in the epic are both superhuman and at times super-natural, yet their political selection and maintenance is necessarily quite human. What we have seen here is a situation where the ordinary folk—in the world of epic performance and poetry—participate in the creation and in the practice of kingship by strange mythical figures who are not always human beings.
I am not interested in brightening the image of the Yadav community but if the image is tarnished, it is my duty to improve it. Today, when Yadav is capable and prosperous, he is being described as a shepherd, cow dung, on the page, it shows inferiority and hatred towards caste, except Yadav empire, princely states, kings, only cow, buffalo And cow dung has been shown, if there is humanity then stop this discrimination and caste hatred. इतिहास विश्लेषण ( talk) 11:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Have a look on the page Samantha Kshatriya. I think it is better to merge the article with Kshatriya or Caste system in kerala. Outlander 07@talk 19:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
I think we can't merge Samanthan with Samantha Kshatriya as Fuller and Geffrey say Zamorin was from Samantha Nair subcaste and not Kshatriya but can try to merge the both with Caste system in Kerala as there was no kshatriya. Outlander 07@talk 08:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
So you are saying merging Samanthan with Samantha Ksatriya?. If so a redirect would be better. Outlander 07@talk 13:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry but you know that what you did at Awan (tribe) is not good. you reverted my edits and moulded the statements according to your thinking and completely deleted two statements with good, reliable and independent references. i mean that’s not good. you also removed infobox saying it had issues. May i ask that what issues were with infobox? my advice to you as a brother is that sometimes the soul need to rest, the heart needs to find peace and the body needs to connect to universe. Close your eyes, listen to your heartbeat, and tell yourself that we all are humans, and everybody is just like me, and everything in world is my own extension. Trust me brother you’ll find peace because good hearts find it. I see you have a good heart but rude outlook. It’s always good to spend some time and effort on yourself. i will pray for you. Wikieditor7799 ( talk) 11:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC) Wikieditor7799 ( talk) 11:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou for the warnng. i will take care not mention caste matters anywhere but its not just that. paraphrasing is wrong and the sequence is also wrong. i study literary writing and i have learnt that any thing definate should come first, then claims and then objections but the history section of the article has objection first, which is not specific, its general objection which should be alwys at end. its objection made by only one man so it must be quoted. the correct sequence is not for caste articles only, its for all the articles. i might be completely wrong, these are just my thoughts and knowledege. i hope that you will look into this. Wikieditor7799 ( talk) 16:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi sir, sorry to disturb u again.I want to ask something.....i know hindu caste is a sensitive issue.And from various caste article i came to know that majority of sources used are book sources of genuine publishers.As mam @ Sanghamitramaurya: also did in koeri article.But some latest developments can only be found from newspapers as books for these things will be written in future.And by going through article of hindu caste Rajput i came to know that they also used newspaper to show the issue of reservation though majority of sources are book sources. I m asking this coz i have used newspaper source at 2 place in my addition to koeri article.If you get time (i know u are busy ,being a senior editor here #ur profile says ...u r here since 13 yrs) then plz evaluate wht i m written. I promise won't disturb u again. Tq Heba Aisha ( talk) 07:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Tq..so nice of u.....thanks again for motivation
. Heba Aisha ( talk) 08:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Please will you examine these contributions to see whether I was correct in warning the editor on their talk page for what I deem to be vandalism over adding non self identified, non referenced statements of caste. I know you have substantial expertise in the matter. Fiddle Faddle 20:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi! An experience user added information from primary source in Karna's article. I don't have much knowledge about proper citation. So I think you should revert the edit. Ratan375 ( talk) 08:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Sitush, just wanted to remind you that I left you a message on the Chola talk page addressing your concern about my edit. I have also added a non-self published source to support the content that I want added. I have pinged user Kautilya as well, if there are others whom you want to invite then do so. Nittawinoda ( talk) 18:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello to notify you. ...i have expanded paswan article with reliable source and added an image on Koeri from commons.If you get time plz take a look and if any problem exist plz notify me.It will be helpful for me...thanks Heba Aisha ( talk) 07:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC) Also added image in Kushwaha with infobox Heba Aisha ( talk) 08:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your query. Actually, I did respond to the question in April, on the person in question's page, as I am doing here. Many categories have sort-keys. The effect is to make the category marginally more manageable, though you are right that any impact is indeed marginal. Rcb1 ( talk) 10:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)rcb1
Just wanted to say thank you for the explanation. I was beginning to wonder whether there might benot something like that Elinruby ( talk) 04:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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Sorry, hadn’t seen your answer yet when I wrote the last bit. AfD is worth a try but I am skeptical. Maybe there should just be a bunch of footnotes pointing out the issues, but that might be tough to get also. In any event, I’ve been convinced that there are things here that I don’t understand. The bot is speculation, but probably well-founded. I wikilink things as a form of digital pacing, so I see quite a few articles from that list, and some of them are literally one sentence, where every word that can possibly be wiki linked already is. Since this happens frequently I believe there is/was a bot looking for a minimum number of Wikilinks Elinruby ( talk) 07:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Why you delete his award info ? He won star parivaar awards for kullfi kumar bajewala. M.pfromb ( talk) 09:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi the reason for my tagging of this article was 1. its is too reliant on once source at the moment and 2. the ta.wiki articles shows that there are other sources available. Mccapra ( talk) 18:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush thanks for adding the new sources. As I can't access any but no.6 I'm not really in a position to challenge the content of the article. I did notice though something I'd forgotten and have only just clocked. When I curated the article it had already been rated as C class on the talk page. This gave me some confidence that on an unfamiliar topic, more expert eyes had already evaluated the content. In fact looking at the talk page history, it appears to me that the article creator simply assessed their own work. Mccapra ( talk) 11:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Sitush if I add a primary source such as Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan (which is a reliable source, even according to Wikipedia), it was written by Colonel James Tod who was a historian during colonial times of India. If I write a short sentence of information derived from the 'Annals and Antiques of Rajasthan Book'bon Lohana Wikipedia page that will be ok right? Please check our thread on the Lohana talk page to know what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.80.98.79 ( talk) 11:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, Periyarist ( talk · contribs) has created a pseudo caste page called Thondaimandala Vellala. Since you are active on many caste articles request you to review the page. I believe the page should be deleted as the references are dubious as I do not think they say anything what the page purports. It is nothing but an artificial grouping of a few castes that the user thinks should be clubbed under one umbrella. Nittawinoda ( talk) 18:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Do wikipedia accept Edgor-thurtson’s CASTE AND TRIBES OF SOUTH INDIA as valid reference? Periyarist ( talk) 13:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
When will this continued onslaught of Wikidata enthusiasts across a multitude of forums stop? It is difficult to keep track of them all but the latest seems to be Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#Wikidata_identifiers, where one of the arguments is basically "we use it, so let's use it" (!) - Sitush ( talk) 10:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Sitush! Please visit Bhima's article. The article relies way too heavily on primary sourcing. I think the article needs some cleanup and improvement. Ratan375 ( talk) 18:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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those working group reports are published.
As expected, there's a
recommendation to modify the TOU to address systematic bias. I come across Wikimedia projects have an environment in which the majority of editors who flock to a page, (not necessarily the majority of editors) control policy definition and implementation, even if that implementation is detrimental to minority groups and broader inclusion of knowledge.
which seems straight out of that famed WhoseKnowledge booklet.
A
CoC is proposed which strives for zero tolerance to any unacceptable behavior. (Yet to find the parameters of acceptability.) I come across Those who do not wish to comply could leave the platform
. Other stuff around similar locus
includes creation of new power structures, re-distribution of power and secret ballots.
Our user-pages will soon become some kind of FB-about-section because that will lead to greater socializing, which is obviously a prime objective.
There would be gender and socio-economic quotas for admins, crats, ArbCom and all higher-ups. Was Essjay a male and how much did he earn?
Some of the stuff is quite good but with quite high chances of getting botched or flocked by the usual grifters.
All in all, there's about 50 reports to read (and I am yet to finish) but my times at this site seem to be limited. ∯WBG converse 17:41, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The main concern would be that Wikipedia is not a social network.That's astounding, Holmes! Ffs... —— SerialNumber 54129 18:39, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The ToU should be agreed on each time an editor acts anonymously as an IP. Rather than simply a checkbox, the policy should open, so that (in theory) the policy is read before the box is checked. (For those with registered User name, as long as they remain signed in they would not get a pop-up after sign-on. This would correlate to other public access facilities and serve to reinforce “safe space policies” and expected on-line behavior norms.Come the hell on. That's not only not legally necessary, but it throws a roadblock in the way of anonymous contributors that will definitely have a disproportionate impact on them. In fact, I think it's reasonable to hypothesize that, out of 100 anonymous edits, there would be more made by women or minority editors, than by registered users. After all, the problem of building a persona on-wiki rather than just making the occasional edit anonymously is well-known.
On a governance level, another statement that should be clarified in the ToU is that of the relationship between the Wikimedia Foundation and the community.This is completely not the purpose of a ToU. You don't just dump irrelevant and extraneous information into a contract. It just creates opportunities for a clever litigant to extend his day in court.
Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?A:
All change has negative connotations to some members of the community.This reminds me of the story of an old friend who, in an actual job interview, was asked what his greatest weakness was, and responded that it was having no weaknesses. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 18:46, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Rationale
Knowledge equity can only be achieved if our movement imposes equity in decision making within our communities. Current bureaucratic structures and decision making processes do not counteract established inequality in informal community power relations (eg. veteran editors vs newbies, dominant groups vs marginalised groups, Foundation vs affiliate).
Do they know what they are saying here? The WMF is asserting that its bureaucratic structure and decision making fail to address the inequality in power relations between it, the dominant Foundation and the marginal affiliate that is Engwiki. The e.g. examples all classify as structurally unequal/discriminated against, (a) newbies,(b) marginalized groups and (c) affiliates, which is what Engwiki is. What is their answer to this confession that it, ther WMF, has a preponderance of power over its affiliates? To launch a proposal that would augment its ascendency! I mean, Jeezus, you need people with a genius for unawareness, apart from the by now infamous illiteracy of that clique's public statements, to write crap of this order. On a linked site I also note.
As a social movement, we will focus our efforts on the knowledge and communities that have been left out by structures of power and privilege.
There is zero instancing of what knowledge has been putatively suppressed, and what communities have been discriminated agsinst by structures of power and privilege, the last phrase being even more lame-brained because the T&S fortress is, precisely, a 'structure of power and privilege': its members are highly paid, exercise censorial power, can ostracize by private chamber proceedings the artisans who, unpaid, actually constructed the very foundations and empire on which their income depends.
Nishidani (
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Those who do not wish to comply could leave the platform.in their reports which says volumes. ∯WBG converse 06:18, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Hope the encyclopedia gets to keep you": but for how long will it actually be an encyclopaedia? - SchroCat ( talk) 21:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't think this is all WMF initiative. The competence of the workgroups seems to be quite varied, but it does look like there are a lot of people who do not have much clue to scrape together, and they will still have to get this stuff past the board. I have a feeling Jimbo will not stand back and let his claim to fame get trashed by a bunch of wannabe do-gooders with little grip on reality. Not planning to panic just yet myself, but will go down fighting if necessary. I would prefer to be counted among those who tried to fix it. Cheers · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Posting here, in case you have missed that:-) ∯WBG converse 10:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)A big part of the problem is that dominant cultures are perceived to have the authoritative voice for many unrepresented and underrepresented groups .... Scholarship from within their community should form the basis of articles about their culture and traditions .... sourcing from within local communities, were dismissed as being either biased or non-independent, and removed in favor of works from people who had no authentic knowledge of a community ....
Did you know that Giano is deeply interested in these boxers, and has created articles about some of them? If any questions arise, I'm sure he can answer them. Bishonen | talk 03:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC).
Sitush, I remember, or somehow delude myself that, you and I and perhaps others have at times (and not so recently) together been involved in the whittling of lists of allegedly notable people (residents, etc) from articles on Indian or other places. Maybe not, but FWIW " Notable People"; your comments welcome. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:39, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
An Izhuvan will eat rice cooked by a Tiyan, but a Tiyan will not eat rice cooked by an Izhuvan a circum- stance pointing to the inferiority of the Izhuvan. A Nayar, as well as a Tiyan, will partake of almost any form of food or drink, which is prepared even by a Mappilla (Malabar Muhammadan), who is deemed inferior to both. But the line is drawn at rice, which must be prepared by one of equal caste or class, or by a superior. An Izhuvan, partaking of rice at a Tiyan's house, must eat it in a verandah ; he cannot do so in the house, as that would be defilement to the Tiyan. Not only must the Izhuvan eat the rice in the verandah, but he must wash the plates, and clean up the place where he has eaten. Again, an Izhuvan could have no objection to drinking from a Tiyan's well. Further, there is practically no mixture in the distribution of Tiyans and Izhuvans The South Malabar Tiyan bridegroom, dressed as if for a wrestling match, with his cloth tied tight about his loins, carries a sword and shield, and is escorted by two companions similarly equipped, dancing their way along. The Izhuvan does not carry a sword under any circumstances. The chief feature of his wedding ceremony is a singing match. This, called the vatil-tura-pattu, or open the door song, assumes the form of a contest between the parties of the bridegroom and bride. The story of Krishna and his wife Rukmini is supposed to be alluded to. We have seen it all under slightly different colour at Conjeeveram. Krishna asks Rukmini to open the door, and admit him. She refuses, thinking he has been gallivanting with some other lady. He beseeches ; she refuses. He explains, and at length she yields. The song is more or less extem- pore, and each "side must be ready with an immediate answer. The side which is reduced to the extremity of having no answer is beaten and under ignominy. Marriage is strictly forbidden between two persons belonging to the same illam. The bride and bridegroom must belong to different illams. In fact, the illams are exogamous. The following formula is repeated by the headman of the bride's party. Translated as accurately as possible, it runs thus. "The tara and changati of both sides having met and consulted ; the astrologer having fixed an auspicious day after examining the star and porutham ; permission having been obtained from the tara, the relations, the illam and kulam, the father, uncle, and the brothers, and from the eight and four (twelve illams) and the six and four (ten kiriyams) ; the conji and adayalam ceremonies and the four tazhus having been performed, let me perform the kanjikudi ceremony for the marriage of .... The son of . . . . With .... Daughter of .... In the presence of muperium. ”
Edward thurson on thiyyar
Thiyyar are not Ezhavar.
Please don't club thiyyar with Ezhavar. Why are you deleting thiyyar Wikipedia?
Are you funded by Christian missionaries ? Unniyarcha ( talk) 06:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
sir , thurson is a historian who wrote on castes some 200 years ago . please understand — Preceding
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This was a bad idea. I understand you're upset about the Arbcom motion today, but taking a dispute cross-wiki to oppose someone's RfA is not cool. Imagine what you'd think if someone from another wiki came here and did that during one of our RfAs. I urge you to retract that post. – Leviv ich 16:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
What if I went to another project..
oh wait. Despite you saying that:
I've painted a target on my back,
I'll find my time here limited and painful,
I am a sockpuppet of caroolmoredc,
I've made it my "life's work" to be an SJW on Wikipedia,
I've been doing stuff wrong since arriving here,
I am incompetant and a
drama-monger,
I seem to
bear a grudge of some sort about GGTF, and
I must be trolling in my response to you...
In reality, I have welcomed you to continue your contributions to Scots Wiki, ignored your worst incliminations by assuming good faith, and genuinely tried to engage in a constructive dialogue. For the good of this project, I simply ask you retract your latest reply to me on Talk:Cotswold_Olimpick_Games because it is inconsistent with your own advice for me which was that I shouldn't have to avoid someone constantly making personal attacks against me on this site. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 03:36, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Nair of north malabar is called nambiar . they have their own wikipedia . why don't thiyya have one ?
please remove the redirect.
this is our demand for over 10 years. please undestand our feeling admins .
please remove protection and redirect.
let's have ourown wikipedia please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unniyarcha ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
No I'm the secretary of Thiyyar mahasabha (caste community of Thiyyar) .
Please contact me by mail - adhimonrkz@gmail.com. we are ready to give anything w≤hatever you says if you help us in return. — Preceding
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There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.
WanderingWanda (
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Why not run for Arbcom? That election is coming up pretty quickly here and while you and I may or may not have a different take on the banning of certain Manchesterians, I've always respected you as a solid content guy with the best interests of the project at heart — and somebody not afraid to throw a punch at the bureaucratic sorts who are slowly strangling English WP. Anyway, give it some thought. I'm sure it would be an uphill fight to win election, and the job itself sucks if you're unlucky enough to win, but running would be a bully pulpit, to steal a line from a dead Republican US President. best regards, —tim /// Carrite ( talk) 01:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The source cited in the article claims banafar brothers with combined Rajput and ahir background (which is false) but still let's consider it as true for sometime then also how can you say that whole Banafar community became "Ahirs" .For example if someone from Brahmin caste marries a Rajput boy ,does that mean that whole Brahmin became Rajputs just because of that 1 single marriage? Come to central India and check yourself ,I myself belong to banafar clan .How can some clain be both Rajput and ahir at the same time ? I hope your page stop spreading baseless claims by some extremist caste based groups and I hope you stop encouraging them .I have complained this issue to the admin Mr. Utkarshraj too .False information is being spread through your page .I hope you do some study before posting such baseless and unverified claim .Atleast open the source used as reference and try to understand it .Thank you . Thakur Singh ( talk) 16:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
I have reverted your to Parihar, vide WP:CATVER: "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial; if the category's topic is likely to spark controversy, then a list article (which can be annotated and referenced) is probably more appropriate. For example, a politician (not convicted of any crime) should not be added to a category of notable criminals". If you wish for the article to be in the category please discuss on the article's talk page and help build a consensus. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 09:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
So, I remember someone (I think it was you? Or maybe someone else on your talk page?) saying on a talk page that the "Strategy Recommendations" were too long for them to read. Assuming it was you: I attempted to summarize the, ah, less messed-up parts of the recommendations at m:Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Summary, which I hope might be helpful. If it wasn't you, sorry for interrupting. :) -- Yair rand ( talk) 20:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Well than what do you consider reliable a neo modern source tell me the facts that i give are all very well documented in ancient,modern and neo,modern so just tell me that what era do you want my sources to be from i think i can manage will pre mughal era do Yoohooyoo ( talk) 04:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Well mr rather than edit warring if you were to do your research the author of the source given by me on the page awan is named sher muhammad awan and he was a respected historian of the awan tribe and a well published author in his native country and he died in early 1982 rather than the 1967 you are creating out of the blue just to spite and edit war with me now give a solid credible reason or leave it alone and i shall restore my edit Yoohooyoo ( talk) 07:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Nothing to do with Wikipedia but does anyone know how I could go about identifying a country house-style building from a 1960s photo? I have three or four family photos from that period which I think are taken somewhere in Norfolk but my mother reckons must be in North Wales (we do, at least, agree on the first three letters of the location!). I've tried dragging and dropping into Google Images, and my dad wasn't a particularly imaginative photographer so I should think his camera-pointing was done from a fairly common position. - Sitush ( talk) 07:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
"country house-style building"- which seems a step below English country house - however if it is one of the major ones - then yes - rifling through the known ones in North Wales or Norfolk - would be much faster than what I am suggesting. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Bro you said citations needs to have all the author details and ISBN number etc etc. And did provided those this time. Then why were they removed? HinduKshatrana ( talk) 15:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You removed Biharis from the Martial race list with the justification that they weren't mentioned however, this quote seems to contradict that:
"For any traveller on the roads of Bihar, an inescapable image comes to mind. That of a peasant who always keeps his wooden club or lathi at hand, under no circumstances letting it out of his reach. The Biharis, who constitute a martial race in India similar to the Sikhs or the Pathans, in keeping with the role conceived by the British colonial administration, were a mother lode for Monghol and English army recruiters. Their independent fighting spirit, which has earned them a reputation for toughness, has been in evidence throughout their history."
Source (which you removed for some reason): Servan-Schreiber, Catherine (1998). "Indian Epics of the Terai Conquest: The Story of a Migration". Diogenes. doi:10.1177/039219219804618106.
And here is a screenshot which is taken directly from the source itself: https://imgur.com/2HRRveU In anticipation that you will likely claim the source is "not reliable", I will advise you to take note that the article was published in Diogenes (journal) which is supported by UNESCO. This in and of itself doesn't make it reliable but showcases its status. I eagerly await your response! 213.205.198.2 ( talk) 13:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Kaikolars in Andhra Pradesh were called as Kaikalas. In Andhra pradesh OBC list, the word Kaikolar and Kaikalas or Karikalabakthalu were listed as Same caste(Group- B, vocational, caste no.9)
In wikipedia there is separate page for Kaikalas and Kaikolar. Please made Kaikalas and Kaikolar in single page
Reference:
https://aponline.gov.in/Quick%20Links/Departments/Backward%20Classes%20Welfare/A%20P%20Backward%20Classes%20Co-operative%20Finance%20Corporation/FAQ/FAQ.html
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The word Kaikolar is a tamil word. In telugu slang it is pronounced as Kaikala Tiruchengode ( talk) 16:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Sir please see this source Kaikala or Kaikkala is an alternative spinning for Kaikolar https://books.google.co.in/books?id=i4pvVOd2L0cC&pg=PA180&lpg=PA180&dq=Kaikala+and+Karikalabhakthula&source=bl&ots=uSOKdCW1Bu&sig=ACfU3U2dCrFAXy-RUgcqc7404dUVpNetBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0jsfC5dXkAhVu7nMBHZ92CroQ6AEwGXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Kaikala%20and%20Karikalabhakthula&f=false Tiruchengode ( talk) 16:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Is this is reliable source
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You are wrong. no new election has held in Haryana since 2014. Edit was related to Legislative assembly elections, not Parliament elections...parliament elections took place but legislative(mla) elections are schedules in later part of the year...You are changing edits without having proper knowledge of Haryana — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnywonderful ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sir. It seems you changed my edit. The editings I made are based on facts and I provided references. its a common knowledge in Haryana that gurgaon district is considered part of Ahirwal region and Ahirwati is one of the language spoken there. I could have removed other languages mentioned but I did not even though most of those languages are not native and spoken mostly by migrant groups..but as Gurgaon is now a global city having people from different parts of world, I chose not to remove other languages mentioned, but you don't even allow me to write the name of local language/dialect spoken in gurgan, which is ahirwati language.It wasn't my point of view but its a fact that Ahirwati is one of the regional language of gurgaon, which can be considered mixture of Haryanvi as well as rajasthani..gurgaon is close to rajasthan so rajasthani have some influence And you are talking about references and how unreliable they are..ok forget the references I provided...the language section of gurgaon have 2 references and both of those references mentions ahirwati is one of the language spoken in Gurgaon...I did not added those references, the referfences mentions ahirwati but the wiki article does not...but using same refrences it mentions other dialects like mewati, haryanv...mewati in spoken in mewat district of haryana(nuh)..very few speakers in gurgaon...Ahirwati has more native speakers than both Haryanvi and Mewati in Gurgaon.
So using those 2 references its okay to mention mewati, haryanvi etc, but not ok to ahirwati when references clearly says ahirwati is spoken in gurgaon? Its a common knowldedge in haryana that Gurgaon is considered part of Ahirwal region and ahirwali dialect is spoken..even the wiki pages of parts of gurgaon district like pataudi, sohna, manesar, farrukhnagar says that they are part of ahirwal region...I did not edited those pages to say they are part of ahirwal region.
thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnywonderful ( talk • contribs) 11:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
I would like a rationale. It's interesting, relevant, and harmless. Also unless I find a 101 newspaper references, it will be gone in a week?-- Nemonoman ( talk) 17:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
a fierce advocate, and things get nasty fastwith those who conflict him. Shall I shudder in fear?
I agree, delete. But I wanted to mention with appreciation your objective descriptions, and your efforts to find some other mentions beyond the silly refs in the article. Thank you. -- Nemonoman ( talk) 20:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Noting your efforts to clean up the Upasani article, and again noting my appreciation of your approach. -- Nemonoman ( talk) 17:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
-- Vikram Nankani ( talk) 04:39, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey, is this notable? Some versions are spam; others are very negative. I removed the "allegations" per BLP as it concerns living people and we usually don't repeat allegations that are not proven in court. Cheers, -- Deep fried okra 13:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I Saurabh Mishra, inform you that, Raj Darbhanga also known as Khandwal dynasty. (Raj Darbhanga means raja(king) of Darbhanga.) This dynasty was Maithil Brahman dynasty. See pages 58–59 in reference number 4. सौरभ मिश्र ( talk) 07:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Raj Darbhanga was from Khandawala in Mithila, due to which that dynasty is called Khandwal dynasty. If you have problems with this, you can reach Darbhanga and get information. And Raj Darbhanga is called Khandwal, not Khandewal. सौरभ मिश्र ( talk) 12:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=A0i94Z5C8HMC&pg=PA55&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
I do not write anything of information on any subject. If I write anything further, do not remove it, this is a request. And the link is given above, read pages 60–61 in full. And the Khandwal dynasty ,not Khandewal dynasty. सौरभ मिश्र ( talk) 15:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I've topic banned Thakur Singh from pages related to caste and social groups. Please let me know if you should see him violating the ban. Bishonen | talk 07:09, 26 September 2019 (UTC).
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Hello Kratos123456789 ( talk) 16:13, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Sitush,
I don't know why you are CSD tagging pages by Ahmed Gop, saying they are products of a banned editor. Ahmed Gop is not a blocked editor, nor identified as a sock puppet. Please do not tag their page for deletion until they are tagged as a sockpuppet. This is premature. File a SPI report or contact a checkuser if they think they are a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 04:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Edit war from nair sock puppets {IPvandal|49.207.53.134}}
These sockpuppets are deleting original work which has citations and reference. Making nair glorification and simply vandalising page.
I request admin and moderaters to make.
Make semiprotect. Kalangot ( talk) 09:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Nair are shudra, sudra varna in kerala. Someone deleted that from Nair wikipedia page. Please add. Also add great historian M. G. S. Narayanan historical reveal that Nair are formed from Adivasi, present day sc st by Namboothiris. Link : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/in-other-news/081116/nairs-of-kerala-originated-from-the-adivasis-says-mgs-narayanan.html Kalangot ( talk) 10:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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Welcome back.
I sought some clarification at Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-09-30/From_the_editors. I pinged you because this comment you made triggered concerns for me.
I quoted this passage from your comment "I harass here every day and will continue to do so due to my belief that the content is what counts, not the people. I'm not here to be nice."
I found the surface meaning of this passage alarming, because, as I noted there, we are all subject to normal human fallibility. If, after reviewing your comment, you decide you don't stand by that apparent surface meaning, just say so, and I'll forget my concern.
If you think that being entrusted with administrator authority frees you from some or all of our civility policies and conventions, can I ask if you think there is a policy or conventions that justifies this? Granted, there are instances where good faith attempts at civility fail. But, in my opinion, everyone, including administrators, including Jimbo Wales, should try civility first.
I also raised a concern over whether administrators should offer Fram extraordinary protection from having other contributors pose good faith questions, or voice good faith concerns, over his edits or comments. In my opinion every member of our community should make their edits and comments knowing that other members of the community may review them, and voice concerns, ask good faith questions.
You left this comment on my user talk page. Fram was preparing his second RFA, had a draft in userspace. The advice for those requesting administrator authority points out that contributors with whom they had a conflict in the past are free to write their version of that conflict, in the RFA. It advises those requesting administrator authority to consider reaching out to those contributors first.
Fram had recently left a comment about me, on his meta talk page. But he did not contact me when preparing for his 2nd RFA. I think the comments I left on Fram's talk page are consistent with the comments that would have been completely within what would have been appropriate for me to leave on his 2nd RFA, and, thus, not "pestering".
So, what was the meaning of your comment? If you were putting on your administrator authority, and warning me that you were considering blocking me, or using your administrator authority in some other way, then I request you clarify (1) what kind of edit or comment would trigger you using that authority; (2) the policy or convention you think I was lapsing from.
I don't think anyone has suggested that, now that Fram has had his block lifted, he should be the target of uncivil or unfair comments or criticism. I certainly haven't advocated that. Nor do I believe I have made any uncivil or unfair comments about Fram, or about his edits and comments. Geo Swan ( talk) 18:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Sitush. Wor Jimmy has finally arrived. All the best, Roy. No Great Shaker ( talk) 17:00, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, Sitush! Could you please take a look at the article Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha? I just full-protected it to stop the edit warring. It looks as if all three combatants are quite new users (autoconfirmed though), so I posted an explanation of what they are supposed to do on the talk page. But some neutral, expert eyes on the article could be helpful. Plus, of course, I undoubtedly protected the WP:Wrong Version! Thanks. -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back sir. Although not a contributor, I stumbled upon the articles of Kayastha and Ambashtha and noticed serious POV pushes, made by new users. Would you kindly check those. I would have restored to your version, but considering the big time gap and substantial good edits in between, I chose not to. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 09:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back - it really hasn't been the same without you - Arjayay ( talk) 11:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
My dear i would like to tell you this thing, yadav are kashtriya not shudra.could you please show me where is mentioned about yadav are shudra.if yadu is myhthlogical king and what all about another kashtriya.bhagwat geeta is the main evidence of yadav.swami dayanand sarswati also spoke about yadav and told they are pure blood aryans.not like rajput or another because all they are mixed blood people of huns kushans and shqs people.milk selling is profession not varn.there are numbers of castes people sells milk include rajput jatt and gurjar brahmans.so how can you say yadav are shudr.correct your information which is spreading like roumours about it.which book tells yadav are shudra please tell me i shall read it.it very funny you have no real knabout yadav.you have just one word, yadu is mythological king.are you foolish man? And i also tell about ahir and yadav.ahir is the tittle not caste.so change the false information on here.and wikipedia is not holy book its present time man wrote book. Vrishni yaadvinder ( talk) 10:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
You are right brother. I am Dhakad (successor of Balram), we are brother.And are not sudra as our ancestors i.e Krishna and Balram are kashtriya Kunal Nagar ( talk) 13:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush! Could you please take a look at this discussion? -- 99v ( talk) 12:58, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Senaithalivar page contain many unreliable sources so review this page. Tirukodimadachengunrur ( talk) 10:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Nice cleanup! Bishonen | tålk 20:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC).
If you think I am stalking you report it, do not use it as an ill founded ad hominem, such action are a violation of wp:npa. I have no insulted you do not insult me. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, Sorry I don't know how to control this. Someone has left a very vulgar message on my talk page in response to you. I want you to know that it is not me. Nevertheless, I am sorry as my talk page was used to abuse you. DifferentialCalculus ( talk) 16:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
You made me laugh out loud today with I saw your !vote and comment at the AfD we've been discussing. Given how the discussion had been progressing it was unexpected. Anyway, I mean all this in a positive, collaborative way. Regards,-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
The ideology of class has yielded place to communal ideas. Javed Alam reacted to this by saying that the problems of communalism cannot be understood by counter- poising class against community. In India, the larger castes have collapsed into communities like jadav, kurmi, etc, who do not accept Brahmanical categories, hierarchies and ritual discriminations.[1]
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And a reference for your earlier comment linking Jadav with Yadav in Bihar. In the IHDS, a sample of 41,554 household yielded a list of 7,372 castes. Some of these are different spellings of the same group, Jadav vs Yadav; but others refer to totally different but similar sounding groups, e g, Jat vs Jatav.
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Hi Sitush Outlander07 is distruptly editing contents on Kerala Caste pages, Could you check his edit history and See.
Look at this how he made this List of Nairs
l have never heard of Nair having Kingdom , he included every royal dynasties to list of Nair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:530:DF60:4D00:555C:CA7A:45C ( talk) 03:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Why are you calling me vandal?? Dont you see false edit done by someone like 'Kalangot' in all pages without proper resources,reverting them to original edit is vandalism???
Outlander07 ( talk) 06:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
While cleaning up the Chitraguptavanshi page,you've cited one reason that there has been several rulings(namely Allahabad,Calcutta and finally Patna high court's) on Kayasthas. But,the FINAL RULING WAS BY PATNA HIGH COURT IN 1926. THE PATNA HIGH COURT RULED OUT THE OTHER RULINGS DONE IN CALCUTTA HIGH COURT AS INCONCLUSIVE AND DECLARED KAYASTHAS AS KSHATRIYAS. THAT WAS THE FINAL RULING!
Not sure, where your reply is coming form. Some one-liner references from some publications are being added as cite-able references in an article and when countered, the edit is not just discarded but also labelled as 'Canvassing'? Not just that, accusing of being part of campaign and what not... Also taking names of select publications in response also sounds like labeling the editor profiles start here early on at entry itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjamani ( talk • contribs) 14:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
There has been addition of non-notable persons and people without Mudaliar surname in the List of Mudaliars page. It requires constant supervision and clean up of non-notable and personalities Who don’t have Mudaliar surname Thanks! Srivatsarcot1 ( talk) 17:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Is there any issue for adding contents in 'List of Nair' article with proper citations?.Saw you removed poorely sourced or unsourced contents from that article.Is there any restrictions? Outlander07 ( talk) 09:06, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I saw that you removed this saying "also copyvio from his official website". But these look like plain facts? Perhaps the phrase "the perennial victim of Sod's law whose girlfriend has dumped him to marry" might be easily trimmed out (although it seems to be a perfectly accurate description of the plot)? Apart from that, I can't really see how that list of roles and appearances could be easily "rewritten" in any way. Many thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 13:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
You are a major contributor of Kayastha page. Can you increase the level of protection of Kayastha page? Can you help me to add information to the page as you are old and experienced editor? I have good information but dont know how and where to add. Vikram Q1W2 ( talk) 16:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Articles like Chitpawan have list of notables. Can you add the same to Kayastha? Can you add clearly the similarities and differences between bengali kayastha and chitraguptavanshi kayastha? The article is very confusing on that point. Vikram Q1W2 ( talk) 15:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I am giving some links here.
Can u add 12th century Kayastha rulers in Andhra country in your encyclopedic language? They used titles like Arivira Brahmarakshasa. Vikram Q1W2 ( talk) 20:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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You're still around, Sitush--I'm glad. Hope you are well. You'll be pleased to know that the CBX is running on all six legs. Take care! Drmies ( talk) 03:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC) |
Hi Sitush - I see that user Nittawinoda has started engaging in his caste POVs again, He seems to be violating Wiki topic ban, can you please help check Sangitha rani111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Please take a look at articles such as Vanniyar, Agnivansha, Maravar, they have been edited for caste glorification with false information and POV intents Sangitha rani111 ( talk) 01:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)Sangitha rani111
Thanks Bishonen for providing feedback. Regards Sangitha rani111 ( talk) 02:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Sangitha rani111
Hi, I would like you Sitush to have a look at the page of Samajwadi Party. A lot of vandalism has taken place there, and inspite of numerous efforts, incidents of malicious edits are taking place. A lot has been changed there. Kindly restore and do something about that! Thanks in advance.
Hello sir.. I just a question of the book name- peasants and monks in British India by sir willam r. Pich. Where is write and proof (koeris) is a shudra caste aur Clune ? Vicky Singh 2021 ( talk) 07:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
But my only suggestion is let us keep wikipedia neutral and verifiable. Bangali Babu Is Back ( talk) 17:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that Bengali Kayasthas are not the only ones who might have mixed with shudra and slave women.
Here is another one:
This is not regarding the Kayastha article. So,added this discussion here.
Wikipedia should not be made a battleground of caste wars. Dinopce ( talk) 18:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
there is a slow burning crosswiki editwar/vandalism from this user and while this edit was "sourced" it seems like an intentional attack and it certainly doesn't belong in the lead. You're the go-to editor around here for these things, so could you take a look? Thanks! Praxidicae ( talk) 14:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi sitush,
Could you please look into the suspected disruptive edits made on pages Sambandham, Moopil Nair and Mannanar.Requesting a cleanup.Outlander07 10:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, frankly I'm unsure about how to deal with this delightful person; haven't encountered quite that level of venom before. I assume it may not be a first for you, so - does one shop the editor directly to AIV on the strength of those edit summaries alone, or try to go through some futile "discuss on the talk page" exercise first, or what...? -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Please take care when you remove references which do not support on statement to make sure that they are not referenced elswhere in the article, and if they are, please make sure that the ref is still valid after your edit. Thanks, RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 16:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I read your message on my talk page. I got that. But why the information on Yaduvanshi Ahirs clan page was blanked and redirected towards the Ahir page when clearly details were given about that particular Yadu Ahir clan precisely, while there's a Yaduvanshi Rajput page who claims the same descent(for 2-3 tribes of their own) from Yadavas or Yadav lunar clan or whatever... So there are 2 sect of the society which claims the same descent but one is framed as false? And the information wasn't just written there on Yadu Ahir clan article, but the refs were provided for each statement too! HinduKshatrana ( talk) 13:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
You are personally showing yadavs down. The lead image on yadav page was knowingly changed by you. Your edit summaries are full of underbelt attack on yadavs. You are a jativadi yadav hating divide and rule agent. Propaganda machine of the rich and powerful. Yadavs will fight back. The African Hindu ( talk) 14:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Yaduvanshi are no more chandravanshi. In fact, the king yadu was himself cursed by his father that he and his generation will no longer carry the family's lineage so yadu himself establish a lineage called yaduvanshi, ie:they are no longer chandravanshi. They were just an Indian tribes. Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 17:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Dear administrator, the central description of article "ancient Indian Kshatriya" should be changed to ancient hindu tribes. As their ancestral king was cursed by his father that he will no longer carry the family lineage/kingdom.So, they are just a Indian tribes. Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 17:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, for your contributions.
Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 17:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I know there's been a lot going on, in negative way, probably by me, but I recently found a problem bigger than that. Someone has created this page Khalistan Sovereign State for spreading seperatist propoganda. Please take a look. Thanks. HinduKshatrana ( talk) 19:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Chudasama Rajputs were Yadava Rajputs (Yaduvanshi Rajputs) although Author Samira Sheikh in his book "Alliance, Genealogy and Political Power " says that Chudasama were originally pastoralists with links to Islam is it Valid ??? Chudasama were originally from Samma dynasty of Sindh. Raakuldeep ( talk) 12:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello sir Mr Sitush i have added more information in Yaduvanshi Rajput page with reference Kindly review it , hope it will be considered as reliable Raakuldeep ( talk) 05:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I've added some new data about Yadu family on Ahir page. Hopefully, this time the refs are reliable. HinduKshatrana ( talk) 11:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The Ahirs believe that they are descendants of the moon and belong to the Yadu family, famous for their fighting spirit.So the non- HISTRS source is misrepresented by you. And the third source doesn't support your claim. - NitinMlk ( talk) 15:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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My Village Pump (policy) comment. Ugh, I am sorry you're on mobile. Can you get it to switch to desktop view for each session? I am technically clueless, as you know, but Iridescent had some things to say about mobile access in a recent discussion on EEng's talkpage, including that Mediawiki will always serve up the mobile view and not save a preference for desktop view, but that one can switch on a per-session basis. Anyway, we are safe and well here so far, and I hope you and yours are, too. Yngvadottir ( talk) 20:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Observed a recent edits to Moopil Nair and found that there are a numerous pov pushes . It's written as a Facebook post rather than a Wikipedia history article.
Also user User:Outlander07 is a Nair vandal.
His all edits are hisown edits and it's reverts done by himself only. For every 50 other edits he does a Nair pov push.
He is using multiple sock puppets accounts. Recent edits to Channar revolt and Mannanar are from the same IP he is using.
Look at Moopil Nair and other Nair related pages like Samantha Kshatriya and Kiryathil Nair. Here all these pages you can find a numerous POV pushes like vandalising the article by stating Nair are Kshatriyas ( actually shudras ).
Source doesn't cite anything written in these articles.
Also Samantha Kshatriyas are kings of Kerala ,they hold the title
Varma and not nair.they are not
Nair.
I request you to look these pages
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:12A2:3CD1:557B:CB9F:7074:22DC ( talk) 12:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
First of all, let me tell you I am not into edit warring as you said above. Don't call me vandal as I hadn't done any kind of vandalism in wiki pages (No abuse from other users till now). We are using Dynamic IP and i have enough brain not to accuse you that you had done the disruptive edit as your IP series are shown in above said articles. I can even accuse you as a sock of Kalangot as your anonymous behaviour says so. Sitush The said OR and POV's in above Nair pages are not mine. I just reverted an edit on the article Moopil Nair and placed a citation tag on it . The above guy is still on British raj era calling names like Shudras and all. I can show the above guy doing disruptive edit in a sourced article saying "not in the source". The guy said above was correct I had made edits in Channar Revolt and Mannanar check the edit history and find out what I had done. I know the rules of Wikipedia as I'm a registered user, not an anonymous like above. Already left you a message on the talk page to make cleanup on the suspected disruptive edit pages. Please look into his statement "Also Samantha Kshatriyas are kings of Kerala, they hold the title Varma and not nair.they are not Nair" Last time he from other IP complained (How Dynasties comes under List of Nairs Page? Who cares?) He need the articles in his way if it is sourced or unsourced. Outlander07 14:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Please look into this, most likely the above anonymous guy doing [ [6]], [ [7]].Outlander07 15:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Please check Samantha Kshatriya and see the above guy who accused me a vandal doing.. Outlander 07@talk 04:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Respected editor, please note that 99.9999% of yadavs are in Hinduism so in section of religion only Hinduism should be written. Deokalimuskabad ( talk) 01:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I've semiprotected this page for another three days. Bishonen | tålk 15:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC).
Hi,
Please have a look on the page Samantha Kshatriya. The very same IP Series who accused me as a vandal last week (check here [ [8]]) for reverting his edits is into disruptive edit. I'm not going to revert it. Thank You Outlander 07@talk 08:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
If you have time keep an eye on the page Caste system in Kerala some POV pushes are going on. Outlander 07@talk 16:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I would like a reply from u for reverting the changes I have done. Rimeg ( talk) 11:30, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Mr sitush ur very active on wikepdia ....I would like to discuss something on kapu page Rimeg ( talk) 12:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The source u have given on kapu stating shudra status only shows that reddy and kamma were different class than kapu kulana ( u can read it) and in kapu page u have edited that kamma branch of kapu and all so it's become confusing Rimeg ( talk) 12:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
So atleast u can explain above that anceitly kapu name was given to a tribe and these castes branched of it while the caste kapu ur refering on this page is different . Rimeg ( talk) 12:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I’ve been seeing you editing & adding satirical remarks on every edit summary in WP:Kingdom of Jeypore. I’d like to remind you that making satirical remarks while hiding behind a username does not make you cool or enlightened. I understand it’s not your fault that you are not born in a royal family but you don’t need to be so salty about it. In your recent edit summary you stated that only 50 people attended the ceremony and hence you think it’s trivial. Let me tell you something because you sound really clueless, well again it’s not your fault, if you were really a smart person you wouldn’t be wasting your time editing random pages on Wikipedia.
As you already mentioned earlier that the titles & status enjoyed by kings of India was cancelled by Indira Gandhi in 1971. When all titles are already cancelled then how many people do you expect ? a million ? These coronations now are generally conducted to appoint a ceremonial king who plays a vital cultural role in the main festivals of Rath Yatra & Vijaydashmi Dussera. For instance the festival of Rath Yatra can’t be carried forward unless the king sweeps the chariot and only then the crowd will pull the chariot. Even when the prince was not coronated from 2006 - 2013 he did the kingly duties.
You can see any other modern coronation in India of ceremonial kings where you will find less than 100 attendees. And that’s simply because they don’t enjoy the same power and status as their ruling predecessors.
You can edit, remove, delete the page, we don’t give a s#*% . But when anyone writes those satires in the edit summary they are actually making a fool out of themselves. Bcz according to an Indian saying “when the elephant walks there a lot of dogs who bark at him but he’s unaffected, unmoved by their attitude, because he knows one small step and the dogs will be done for life.”
Meanwhile you must be thinking why am I so annoyed by this attitude. That’s because the royal family has taken care of me & my tribe for the past many years. Their trusts include schools & colleges and we all gain free education and medical facilities with the help of our King. And not just my tribe, basically, all tribes are helped. We face discrimination from the state government because of our ethnicity and if the royal family didn’t provide us the facilities we would have stayed in our little tribes.
So If you can’t show respect then at least don’t show disrespect to anyone. I know being born as a commoner is not easy but you seem too burnt up. And if you are British then it makes sense because they only like their own race. They talk highly about their kings & queens when in reality these British kings and queens are no less than the kings of a Shakespeare play. Just acting as a king or a queen doesn’t make one a real king or queen. The whole world satires about how useless the Queen is and how stupid are those people who support this fake monarchy and this fake dynasty.
They captured a lot of our people as slaves too when they entered our valley and destroyed the fort of Jeypore and these days I see them crossing all levels of hypocrisy when I see them doing BLM protests. Because systemic racism is present inside every native.
So edit as much as you want and waste your time and energy because new books & articles are on progress and once we receive them we will edit again. Till then fo & carry on your multi million dollar job as a wiki admin. You must be getting paid a lot for being such a genius. Or if you need a job let me know I can get you a better one where you don’t insult people while hiding behind a username. Dallasyuri ( talk) 10:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You assume a lot that’s the problem. Why would a royal, owner of three palaces, two forts and thousand acres of land would waste his time talking to a nobody, who doesn’t even have a real name. WTH is Sitush, LOL. We are a group of students in Vikram Deb College, Jeypore who were assigned with a project of creating a Wikipedia page (any) and we chose to publish an article on our kingdom.
Until you guys deleted almost half of our work. Why didn’t anyone inform us in first place that Raj Sources are not valid anymore. And who made this silly rule, most of the Indian history is based on Raj era sources that were republished as it was, word to word.
For example, WP:Sisodia is an article about a rajput dynasty. They have the same mythical crap but you won’t delete it bcz those books were published post-Raj era. I mean if we republish those books that you removed or rewrite it then you won’t be able to change anything.
Dallasyuri ( talk) 12:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC) —-
Your highness, lets punish this useless Sitush, a jobless freak who is a burden on society. The loser is undergoing psychiatric treatment but I think he needs better doctors, probably someone from the subcontinent. We have the resources, lets drag him to court and make an example out of him. Or if you have better ideas I will be all to happy to participate. And Sitush... the queen wont even let you near her dog forget about anything bipedal, it seems you have been talking to jimmy on phone again?? Merry Passon ( talk) 12:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I spit on such Queen & ppl who killed millions, enslaved them, robbed entire continents of their wealth. Buuuuuut I’m glad they didn’t even spend it on their own people. I mean I don’t hear Brits enjoying any part of that enormous wealth. Bcz it now rests with the elites while these thick head ppl dwell in their same mundane jobs. That’s why you all are so salty. Your own govt tricked you and now you all are the most hated human beings in the world. Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
So you attacking yourself by making fake IDs. This is what I expected from a wite racis c**t like you. But guess what you don’t own Wikipedia, we will Phuk yo mo my for doing these silly tricks. Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You make fake IDs and you block. But can you stop me from coming back ? No doggie Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
So it’s better that we start talking seriously as I have a few questions to ask Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Because if you keep on blocking me I’ll keep on coming back, and I have a lot of IP address so don’t worry about that. I just want to know if we those Raj sources are republished would it be allowed or no ? Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
But many wiki pages are using them. See WP:Sisodia they are using all mythical stories but it’s referenced so I guess it hasn’t been removed. I was just wondering if they could do that then why not others. Dallasyuri ( talk) 13:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello admin! I want to know for what reason you removed important contents from article Arjuna which have proper citation. All those sources were taken from K.M. Ganguly's dubbed version of Vyasa's Mahabharata. https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/ There's nothing can be more reliable than this. Please rollback your edits. Ratan375 ( talk) 17:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello! Why you removed all his other names like Sabyasachi. He clearly mentioned his all names in Virata Parva. This is about a character of Mahabharata. Basic source should be Mahabharata. Ratan375 ( talk) 03:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
A new page has been built about Biraha, which is a very popular folklore of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. But I am mistaken that the spelling has gone wrong in the title of the article. The correct spelling of the article is 'Biraha' but I have missed 'a' in it . Help Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 15:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you sir. Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 16:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I'd really appreciate it if you could find a little time to review the quality of the sources in Kingdom of Jeypore. I stripped out all of the obvious Raj era ones today, but they do get put back or replaced by equally unsatisfactory ones. I have taken one of the editors to WP:AE and am now considering taking the other, so any independent views on the sourcing (and the general quality of the article) would be very useful. Thanks -- RexxS ( talk) 01:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush - I hope you are well.
At
Religion in Kerala an editor is edit-warring (5 deletions today, so far) about one of the stories about St Thomas - he doesn't like one version so he is repeatedly deleting it. The section he is deleting is sourced to:-
I am unfamiliar with either source - do you have an opinion on their likely reliability? (reliability for myths is rather a contradiction in terms) - Best wishes - Arjayay ( talk) 15:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I differs but respect your views. Did my comment at talk page providing this RS made you angry? Can I not suggest even a RS at talk page? ScholarM ( talk) 19:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Said editor tried the same edit(s) back in April 2016. Is it time to notify an Admin? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 19:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
For the past few days I’ve been seeing edits made on kingdom of Jeypore by you and other editors. The page seems to be locked as well. We hereby request you to delete the page as it is humiliating to read an entirely fake narrative based on sources written by writers who have never been to the region and hence are not familiar with the significance of the kingdom and it’s history. The entire history of the region has been distorted and misinterpreted using foreign writers “little known” books. You must delete this page as we can’t let such version of history written by “Little Wikipedia editors” to get any relevance. You have also mentioned the family as Rajput, let me tell you something, you can’t change the dynasty and the roots of a family just because some European fool wrote it in his research book. Therefore, I’d request you to delete this page. JahangirMo7 ( talk) 09:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Reasons of Deletion (6) “Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and articles that are themselves hoaxes (but not articles describing notable hoaxes)”
I request you to delete this article not because I don’t like it. This article is spreading misinformation about a notable family too. You are using only those sources that are the works of European writers. Who don’t even know the difference between a Rajput & other kshatriya varnas. You mention the first king as a rajput when it’s clearly mentioned in the royal genealogy that the family is not rajput.
Not just this there is some irrelevant mention of Bissam-Cuttack. This article shows it has been written by confused writers who have 0 information about the place and are just relying on a few European journals.
Please delete this article. JahangirMo7 ( talk) 10:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Most European writers mention every Indian king as Rajput which is wrong and the same is done here by one of them. You have blocked editors, may I know why ? This is a case of online bullying and harassment. You have taken over a page, locked all editing and now you are just adding whatever you feel like. Which I don’t think is a sign of a decent man. So delete this page and end the conversation. JahangirMo7 ( talk) 10:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Would you mind taking a look at the recent editing history of Hinduism and LGBT topics and Homosexuality in India, and giving your thoughts? Further context can be found on my talk page. Hölderlin2019 ( talk) 11:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
The article stated that Ahir r also known as Yadav and even Jadhav in Northern India and Maharashtra respectively. Source - Population Geography: A Journal of the Association of Population Geographers of India, Volume 10, Issues 1-2" https://books.google.com/books/about/Population_Geography.html?id Thank you. Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 20:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Source- https://books.google.com/books/about/Population_Geography.html?id=SQIzAAAAIAAJ Arun singh Yaduvanshi ( talk) 20:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello , @ Sitush , I'm RoboShutter from kerala , can you please help for review a article and remove the deletion request. Article Shakir Subhan , sincerly RoboShutter ( talk) 08:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
It is not so fair to portray a community or a group as slaves like those written in "Caste System In Kerala".It is very clear throughout the article that someone needs to glorify their caste status by portraying others as very lowest and even trying to compare them with Animals.I am pretty sure that there are certain guidelines for wikipedia to write articles with good manners whether it is sourced or unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.97.222.251 ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Just been catching up with your work on VLS. Really careful good work, let’s hope the page starts to get a bit better now.
But be ready for a fight: VLS has used any number of sock puppets in the past, and seems determined that those who know the most about him (ie former collaborators) do not edit.
The history bears reviewing. Anything to do with his birth for example is clearly a sore point. Going back a bit further I found this version, also less than balanced though the other way, maybe it has things of use now that you have taken an interest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Victor_Lewis-Smith&oldid=288489349
Good luck! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.83.158 ( talk) 13:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Please have a look on the pages Nagavanshi and Vadakkan Pattukal seems cleanup is needed. Outlander 07@talk 04:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Can you please tell me how to add link to a particular page of a book found in Google Books without copy-pasting the cluttery link? I need something similar to what you did in Arjuna wiki page in ref 4. How to get the url of that particular page?
( PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC))
Thanks in advance. :) PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Here is the link:
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=u3meRFXGpq0C&pg=PA153&lpg=PA153&dq=draupadi+as+sachi&source=bl&ots=l9oCKePH5X&sig=ACfU3U2o5NwrWDk_lsy5UpFkkVYVUj7mxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb5uS_zJPqAhUHlEsFHWfaD3gQ6AEwE3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=draupadi%20as%20sachi&f=false PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Actually, I like how you added [1] in Arjuna page in the marriage section. (Ref 4)
How can I make my google book reference of pg 153 look like what you did in Arjuna page?
Really sorry for the bother. PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I am speaking of the Ref to the Handbook of Hindu Mythology. PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you :) If that source is not valid, do you think this one will work? https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/draupadi
I cannot find the google book for this excerpt, though.
PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I might pester you again for a thing or two. :P Also, if you need any help with Arjuna wiki revamp, feel free to ask. So far, things look good, though. :)
( PatientWaiter ( talk) 10:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC))
I was going to accuse you of intemperate editing, but the previous unsigned lines "VLS" serve my purpose well. Your recent edits have excited the author of that weak diatribe. Critics like VLS attract such people (as his edit history shows) enough to make baseless accusations. Here the subject is accused of using "sock puppets", of being "ready for a fight", and for blocking former "collaborators" from editing. All the while, your new admirer uses fawning language to encourage you to draw on (probably the author's) old negative VLS edits. Talk pages should be as stringently controlled as main pages. The author clearly delighted in your inaccuracies, such as erasing the subject's honorary doctorate (I checked today with Westminster and you are plain wrong and it was awarded in 2008), and revelled in some of your other intemperate edits. If I can replicate the sort of time and energy you obviously have, I will start to clarify and rectify those (some of which you are right to challenge). But can I be bothered to defend a critic who dished it out in his time? Maybe not. Don't be a quick to draw Barnstar Bully. Gavelboy ( talk) 23:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I have nothing to do with the subject of this entry any more than others I have edited over the years. The hon doc issue irritates me because I saw it in print somewhere. If I get time, I'll follow it up. Actually on reading it more closely your edits (and re edits!) do seem impartial and fair. I am a novice at this. Gavelboy ( talk) 12:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello I noticed that you are checking Hindu Mythological articles like Arjuna, Abhimanyu. I request you to check article Karna. Latest section "etymology and epithets" is completely unsourced. No proper citations are given. If possible, please remove it. Thank you and have a nice day. Fire star on heat ( talk) 04:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, actually I wanted to see version before you started editing article Arjuna. Hence I used twinkle and saw it but accidentally I pressed "restore version" option. Hence I reverted my edit again. Sorry for that and thanks for thanking my edit. I understood that you got my point. Thank you and have a nice day. Fire star on heat ( talk) 14:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
I needed to know, are promotional content allowed as per Wiki policies? In the last 2 edits of Karna wiki page, I find that promotional words such as "superhuman qualities", etc have been added which are not even used in the scholarly references cited. It makes the article sound like fan-fiction more than objective facts about the character.
Thanks. ( PatientWaiter ( talk) 08:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC))
I understand you are having a hard time with Arjuna wiki. You may refer to Kevin Mcgrath's Arjuna the Double Hero to get all your facts in one place.
Regarding Karna wiki, the said edits have not been done because the epic is mythology. The added words come under the category of what has been described as puffery and peacock in Wiki policies. It goes against the spirit of what the cited sources say. For instance, Kevin Mcgrath states, Karna is one of the key antagonists (despite his plus points). But the words are being inverted in the page to change the meaning. I cant undo the changes because, the page is edit locked for vandalism. The irony!
The huge tussle between fans of Arjuna and Karna have arisen from the considerable discrepancy between the primary sources of the epic and pop-culture literature based on it. In the primary sources (that, is the epic itself), Karna is more grey-shaded although he is also lauded in places. And the overall track record of Arjuna as a warrior is better. However, the depiction in popular culture, literature, et all is exactly the opposite. Karna has somehow garnered more attention (as all flawed characters do) and have been raised by later bards to surreal heights of glory, owing to sympathy factor of him being abandoned by his mother. Now, the masses don't generally read primary sources, they always refer to popular literature. And even if they do read the epic text, their mindset is already coloured by the pop-culture, and they refuse to accept anything otherwise. I hope that gives you a picture. PatientWaiter ( talk) 09:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for taking your time out for this. :) ( PatientWaiter ( talk) 10:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC))
Heroes and kings in the epic are both superhuman and at times super-natural, yet their political selection and maintenance is necessarily quite human. What we have seen here is a situation where the ordinary folk—in the world of epic performance and poetry—participate in the creation and in the practice of kingship by strange mythical figures who are not always human beings.
I am not interested in brightening the image of the Yadav community but if the image is tarnished, it is my duty to improve it. Today, when Yadav is capable and prosperous, he is being described as a shepherd, cow dung, on the page, it shows inferiority and hatred towards caste, except Yadav empire, princely states, kings, only cow, buffalo And cow dung has been shown, if there is humanity then stop this discrimination and caste hatred. इतिहास विश्लेषण ( talk) 11:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Have a look on the page Samantha Kshatriya. I think it is better to merge the article with Kshatriya or Caste system in kerala. Outlander 07@talk 19:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
I think we can't merge Samanthan with Samantha Kshatriya as Fuller and Geffrey say Zamorin was from Samantha Nair subcaste and not Kshatriya but can try to merge the both with Caste system in Kerala as there was no kshatriya. Outlander 07@talk 08:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
So you are saying merging Samanthan with Samantha Ksatriya?. If so a redirect would be better. Outlander 07@talk 13:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry but you know that what you did at Awan (tribe) is not good. you reverted my edits and moulded the statements according to your thinking and completely deleted two statements with good, reliable and independent references. i mean that’s not good. you also removed infobox saying it had issues. May i ask that what issues were with infobox? my advice to you as a brother is that sometimes the soul need to rest, the heart needs to find peace and the body needs to connect to universe. Close your eyes, listen to your heartbeat, and tell yourself that we all are humans, and everybody is just like me, and everything in world is my own extension. Trust me brother you’ll find peace because good hearts find it. I see you have a good heart but rude outlook. It’s always good to spend some time and effort on yourself. i will pray for you. Wikieditor7799 ( talk) 11:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC) Wikieditor7799 ( talk) 11:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou for the warnng. i will take care not mention caste matters anywhere but its not just that. paraphrasing is wrong and the sequence is also wrong. i study literary writing and i have learnt that any thing definate should come first, then claims and then objections but the history section of the article has objection first, which is not specific, its general objection which should be alwys at end. its objection made by only one man so it must be quoted. the correct sequence is not for caste articles only, its for all the articles. i might be completely wrong, these are just my thoughts and knowledege. i hope that you will look into this. Wikieditor7799 ( talk) 16:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi sir, sorry to disturb u again.I want to ask something.....i know hindu caste is a sensitive issue.And from various caste article i came to know that majority of sources used are book sources of genuine publishers.As mam @ Sanghamitramaurya: also did in koeri article.But some latest developments can only be found from newspapers as books for these things will be written in future.And by going through article of hindu caste Rajput i came to know that they also used newspaper to show the issue of reservation though majority of sources are book sources. I m asking this coz i have used newspaper source at 2 place in my addition to koeri article.If you get time (i know u are busy ,being a senior editor here #ur profile says ...u r here since 13 yrs) then plz evaluate wht i m written. I promise won't disturb u again. Tq Heba Aisha ( talk) 07:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Tq..so nice of u.....thanks again for motivation
. Heba Aisha ( talk) 08:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Please will you examine these contributions to see whether I was correct in warning the editor on their talk page for what I deem to be vandalism over adding non self identified, non referenced statements of caste. I know you have substantial expertise in the matter. Fiddle Faddle 20:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi! An experience user added information from primary source in Karna's article. I don't have much knowledge about proper citation. So I think you should revert the edit. Ratan375 ( talk) 08:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Sitush, just wanted to remind you that I left you a message on the Chola talk page addressing your concern about my edit. I have also added a non-self published source to support the content that I want added. I have pinged user Kautilya as well, if there are others whom you want to invite then do so. Nittawinoda ( talk) 18:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello to notify you. ...i have expanded paswan article with reliable source and added an image on Koeri from commons.If you get time plz take a look and if any problem exist plz notify me.It will be helpful for me...thanks Heba Aisha ( talk) 07:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC) Also added image in Kushwaha with infobox Heba Aisha ( talk) 08:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your query. Actually, I did respond to the question in April, on the person in question's page, as I am doing here. Many categories have sort-keys. The effect is to make the category marginally more manageable, though you are right that any impact is indeed marginal. Rcb1 ( talk) 10:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)rcb1
Just wanted to say thank you for the explanation. I was beginning to wonder whether there might benot something like that Elinruby ( talk) 04:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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Sorry, hadn’t seen your answer yet when I wrote the last bit. AfD is worth a try but I am skeptical. Maybe there should just be a bunch of footnotes pointing out the issues, but that might be tough to get also. In any event, I’ve been convinced that there are things here that I don’t understand. The bot is speculation, but probably well-founded. I wikilink things as a form of digital pacing, so I see quite a few articles from that list, and some of them are literally one sentence, where every word that can possibly be wiki linked already is. Since this happens frequently I believe there is/was a bot looking for a minimum number of Wikilinks Elinruby ( talk) 07:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Why you delete his award info ? He won star parivaar awards for kullfi kumar bajewala. M.pfromb ( talk) 09:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi the reason for my tagging of this article was 1. its is too reliant on once source at the moment and 2. the ta.wiki articles shows that there are other sources available. Mccapra ( talk) 18:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush thanks for adding the new sources. As I can't access any but no.6 I'm not really in a position to challenge the content of the article. I did notice though something I'd forgotten and have only just clocked. When I curated the article it had already been rated as C class on the talk page. This gave me some confidence that on an unfamiliar topic, more expert eyes had already evaluated the content. In fact looking at the talk page history, it appears to me that the article creator simply assessed their own work. Mccapra ( talk) 11:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Sitush if I add a primary source such as Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan (which is a reliable source, even according to Wikipedia), it was written by Colonel James Tod who was a historian during colonial times of India. If I write a short sentence of information derived from the 'Annals and Antiques of Rajasthan Book'bon Lohana Wikipedia page that will be ok right? Please check our thread on the Lohana talk page to know what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.80.98.79 ( talk) 11:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, Periyarist ( talk · contribs) has created a pseudo caste page called Thondaimandala Vellala. Since you are active on many caste articles request you to review the page. I believe the page should be deleted as the references are dubious as I do not think they say anything what the page purports. It is nothing but an artificial grouping of a few castes that the user thinks should be clubbed under one umbrella. Nittawinoda ( talk) 18:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Do wikipedia accept Edgor-thurtson’s CASTE AND TRIBES OF SOUTH INDIA as valid reference? Periyarist ( talk) 13:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
When will this continued onslaught of Wikidata enthusiasts across a multitude of forums stop? It is difficult to keep track of them all but the latest seems to be Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#Wikidata_identifiers, where one of the arguments is basically "we use it, so let's use it" (!) - Sitush ( talk) 10:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Sitush! Please visit Bhima's article. The article relies way too heavily on primary sourcing. I think the article needs some cleanup and improvement. Ratan375 ( talk) 18:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)