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Looking at [1], I find it surprising that half of the views from Indonesia are to English Wikipedia. I'd have thought that since majority of Indonesians speak Indonesian language, they would read ind-wiki. I wonder if there's some education/wealth gap, i.e. since Internet penetration is only 25%, most people who have Internet are better educated, so can speak English, so go to English Wikipedia, and most who use ind-wiki are less educated people with poorer/none English skills? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
In the past week or so, Cal1407 had added massive amounts of prose to several articles about provinces - e.g. [2], [3], [4]. All the additions are quite poor in terms of both sourcing and inline citations. Before this becomes an edit war, I'd rather bring this up to other editors to help ensure that these edits - and the editor - does not make WP:Indonesia articles even worse in referencing than it already is. Juxlos ( talk) 19:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
this is now happening again - JarrahTree 01:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Separate article for statistics - the statistics section is so regularly edit warred - proposal at Tourism in Indonesia talk page. JarrahTree 09:01, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
So basically the current state of affairs is that the 3 terms are used interchangably in Indonesian politician articles e.g. Basuki Tjahaja Purnama vs Muzakir Manaf vs Rano Karno. I think it would be best to standardize everything. Also, I prefer the term vice. Juxlos ( talk) 09:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
I took over the abandoned review of Oei Hui-lan a while ago, but the original nominator no longer appears active. If someone from this wikiprojet wishes to respond to my comments at Talk:Oei Hui-lan/GA1 that would be great. I will probably close it as a fail if no one responds in a week or so. AIRcorn (talk) 18:26, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
For those Indonesia project watchers, earlier this year, I had a conversation with a portal maker in good faith about provinces being allocated a portal.
This is here for the record: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Jambi
No further comment, the evidence is provided without fear or favour even sense of humour (it is April the First) JarrahTree 22:53, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
The portal issue still continues /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Java JarrahTree 14:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi, In order to more efficiently focus (human) resources in the Indonesia Project, would it be an idea to signify the de facto abandonment of certain Indonesia articles by labeling them as abandoned by the Indonesia Project? I'm thinking in particular of the articles on Indonesian airports, TV stations and football clubs, where the sheer number of uncited, unreferenced and POV edits, often by IP editors, makes it impractical to maintain standards. I guess the easiest way would be either to create a category, or to remove the Project tag from these articles. Any suggestions for any additions to the list? Davidelit (Talk) 03:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
This is very much a glass half full versus glass half empty topic. There eare qually good arguments for both sides. It is like the personality types who actually designate their on wiki preferences - they are either deletionsists or inclusionists - for an older view or look at these two philosophies (not updated) - see Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia
The argument for keeping uncited, and quite poor quality stubs - is that someone will come along some day and improve/add to the stub - very close to what anthropologists observed in Cargo_cults in New Guinea.
The argument for deleting - is well displayed in the slaughter of portals just recently, regardless of the arguments for or against.
The original intention of allowing inadequate stubs, was in the relatively naive hope that there would be editors who might follow after the original creation of the stubs. It has not happened in a broad scale at all.
One possible remedy is to suggest that the playing with tv stations, airports and football clubs could be averted if only by one or more admins being indonesian project focused - we have lost more (interested admins) than we had some 5 years ago - and simply work on blanket protection, but broader wikipedia wide admins and others see protection as something temporary.
Another remedy or response to the suggestion, is to wait for and hope that a number of regular editors might turn up and offer their suggestions.
The regular and redundant argument we dont have what the Indonesian language wikipedia has - is really suggesting that we develop towards having the same items - many having literally no actual notability or credence other than to alert the wider wikipedia community that something exists - without anything that comes up to a WP:V or WP:N standard to actually qualify for reasons of inclusion.
Although in the previous section of this noticeboard, there is the item about what /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(geographic_features)#Geographic_regions,_areas_and_places might have in its favour, the argument requires careful examination as to what it might mean for this project.
There is no doubt what david has brought up is something to consider, as to whether we have a community of editors prepared to discuss and establish some consensus as to what might be best for this project, is another thing. JarrahTree 04:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Indonesian Wikipedia has articles for all of the kecamatan (subdistricts) and even many of the desa (villages), but not English Wikipedia. I want to expand especially for Papua. Can we use a bot, or do we have to do everything one by one? Sagotreespirit ( talk) 00:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Very strongly discouraged - almost certainly 80 to 90 percent of districts and villages are not inherently notable for naming and identification in English Wikipedia - although there is one unholy mess of districts for Indonesia. Tidying that up is one thing - creating new items is very strongly discouraged.
Indonesian wikipedia and english wikipedia have very different ways of looking at lower level subdivisions. There is literally no resources easily available online or in written sources in english that could substantiate any level of WP:V with WP:RS that could justify creation of stubs that would pass WP:N for general standards for english wikipedia.
Under no circumstances start, without waiting for at least some other editors to comment.
This has been through before (in this archive) with a different cohort of editors who realised that district lists and names are not what Wikipedia english is WP:ABOUT. JarrahTree 10:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
That is perhaps somewhat far fetched to expect that english wikipedia really needs an article for every village and kec in Indonesia - and I would strongly oppose that - if you understand how many useless one line stubs about places that will never have any WP:RS would go against what WP:ABOUT regardless of Geoland and BPS JarrahTree 14:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I have created Indonesian cities and regencies blank map based on File:Electoral Districts Indonesia DPR 2019.svg with update on new city/regency. Maybe it can be useful for this project. Hddty. ( talk) 17:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I was drawn to the article Talang Tuo inscription by the lengthy quotation showing up as misspelled (assuming English) words. I'd love to mark those quotations with {{ lang}} but "Old Malay" is not a known language code. I'll be doing something else.
But in looking around I got confused by the name "Talang Tuo". The text and title was changed by one editor in April 2018. And by the same editor over at the Indonesian wiki also in April 2018.
Searching with Google finds more "Talang Tuwo" than "Talang Tuo". And a number of "Talang Tuo" hits are copies of the renamed Wikipedia article. Searching for "Talang Tuwo" seems to find more occurrences in Malay scholarly texts? Lastly, searching for "Talang Tuwo" on English Wikipedia finds more than double the hits of "Talang Tuo"
I am uncertain, but it seems like the 'Tuwo' -> 'Tuo' change was not needed, and just one editor's opinion. Can you find something trustworthy to rely on regarding this name? Or point me to a better place to ask this question? Shenme ( talk) 04:46, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
As an on-going discussion over the years, the development of this projects' standards regarding administrative divisions, and nomenclature -
the latest installment = /info/en/?search=Talk:Kecamatans_of_Indonesia always good to see how things like this arise again and again, at least there is life in the project yet. JarrahTree 00:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Please note that a discussion about some means of standardising terminology in this project has been started at:
/info/en/?search=Talk:Ethnic_groups_in_Indonesia#Terminology
It is well introduced, and well considered of the issues, it should be checked carefully for any page lurkers here interested in standardising usages, a bug that seems to to exist in an ongoing manner in this project... JarrahTree 13:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Please can someone look at the Indonesian-langauge news items found by Google, and see if they can be used on Draft:Swietenia Puspa Lestari, in order that the article can be restored? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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I added the preference to use "Indonesian" vs "Bahasa" in our guideline [5]. I hope this is not controversial and I think this reflects the current consensus and custom. Feel free to modify it if needed. HaEr48 ( talk) 18:00, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I have proposed an AfD discussion for Criticism of Joko Widodo. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of Joko Widodo and weigh in on the discussion. Juxlos ( talk) 03:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I hadnt expected such a positive and thoughtful reaction here in project space - thanks to those who have commented. I have no problems with whatever anyone wants to do with reducing the photo galleries - what had bothered me in the past was where the lede sentence and info box carried local (not national) scripts in articles like /info/en/?search=Surakarta JarrahTree 10:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Bali | |
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Regional transcription(s) | |
• Balinese | ᬩᬮᬶ |
From top, left to right: Sunset over Amed beach with Mount Agung in the background, Garuda Wisnu Kencana monument, Tanah Lot temple, view from top of Besakih Temple, scuba diving around Pemuteran, sunset over Kuta Beach, and various traditional Balinese people activities | |
Nicknames: Pulau
Dewata (Island of Deities), Island of Gods, Island of Peace, Morning of The World, Island of Hinduism, Island of Love | |
Motto(s): | |
![]() Location of Bali in Indonesia | |
Coordinates: 8°20′06″S 115°05′17″E / 8.33500°S 115.08806°E | |
Country | Indonesia |
Established | 14 August 1958 |
Capital and largest city | Denpasar |
Government | |
• Governor | I Wayan Koster ( PDI-P) |
• Vice Governor | Tjokorda Oka A. A. Sukawati |
Area | |
• Total | 5,780 km2 (2,230 sq mi) |
Population (mid 2019) | |
• Total | 4,362,000 |
• Density | 750/km2 (2,000/sq mi) |
Demographics | |
• Ethnic groups | |
• Religion |
|
• Languages |
|
Time zone | UTC+08 ( WITA) |
Vehicle registration | DK |
HDI | ![]() |
Website | baliprov.go.id |
Bali | |
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![]() Location of Bali in Indonesia | |
Coordinates: 8°20′06″S 115°05′17″E / 8.33500°S 115.08806°E | |
Country | Indonesia |
Established | 14 August 1958 |
Capital and largest city | Denpasar |
Government | |
• Governor | I Wayan Koster ( PDI-P) |
Area | |
• Total | 5,780 km2 (2,230 sq mi) |
Population (mid 2019) | |
• Total | 4,362,000 |
• Density | 750/km2 (2,000/sq mi) |
Demographics | |
• Ethnic groups | |
• Religion |
|
Time zone | UTC+08 ( WITA) |
HDI | ![]() |
Website | baliprov.go.id |
Hi there - is this the best place to discuss the ridiculous number of photos the Indonesia proinces seem to have?
6 is too many, now people are shoe-horning in up to 9! Indeed, maybe we shoudln't have them. The info boxes look more like Tourism Board promitions. This is a ridiculous number of photos].
I just did a random search of 3 equivalents in Australia, USA, and Germany - and 3 out of 3 have no photos in their boxes. Looks much better. refer:
I think it's time we grew up, got serious and had either 1 photos, or even no photos in the infobox. -- Merbabu ( talk) 03:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Merbabu: not 9 images or what, before that there were many provinces that had more than 6 images. but I adjusted it to 5 lines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.136.116.158 ( talk • contribs) 03:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
|image_skyline=
. Therefore I propose to make specific infobox for indonesian provinces (just as US states and Australian states) that didn't have specific parameter for photo.
Ckfasdf (
talk)
06:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi again - thanks for your input (and below). I've just pasted two Bali info boxs into this section as an example for reference - ie, the existing, and a proposed. This can be applied to all provinces. I suggest the following changes
and it can go in the main article if relevant
I think the second one is better - key info only. not overweight and bloated and it doesn't take over half the page. -- Merbabu ( talk) 08:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
|image_skyline=
not higher subdivision. I don't really have issue with other parameter as other province/states/canton elsewhere also uses them. But if we agree to replace or even make infobox for indonesian province, maybe we can look up
Template:Infobox Australia state or territory or
Template:Infobox U.S. state as reference.
Ckfasdf (
talk)
10:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Infoboxes are rampant with over-done material and over-usage of too many photos is just one of the issues:-
Then there is an un-reviewed issue of size and 'overdone' graphs
Many football articles have WP:FLAGCRUFT and WP:SEAOFBLUE well beyond reasonable accepted usage
However most perpatrators of these issues either have no sense of english language, or otherwise are defensive of their application of eccentric understandings of what WP:ABOUT and WP:NOT implies. JarrahTree 03:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Agree to remove per default all photos and non-Latin scripts from the infobox, and also non-Latin scripts from the lead. On a case-by-case basis, we could insert scripts if there is consensus and a good reason for it, e.g. if the regional script is used on official symbols such seals (I don't know if any province does that). We also don't need non-official names of provinces in regional languages, even if these are majority languages.
@ Ckfasdf: The major difference with Wuhan and Bhutan is, those are the scripts of the national languages, and the the default way that every one in that country will spell out these places. In Indonesia, only the Latin-script Indonesian name has such a status, so adding Jawa Timur to East Jawa is important and obligatory, but not "Jåwå Wétan" etc.
And from what I can tell by the sock smell of these IPs, we are dealing with maximally 2 or 3 long-blocked individuals who waste our time with their antics. – Austronesier ( talk) 08:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
So I've started removing the photos infoboxes - i must say some are very beautiful. We should look at incorporating some into the main body of the articles. -- Merbabu ( talk) 11:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Greetings from WP:WPTC. Recently, Hurricanehink began an article on the 1973 Flores cyclone, which is regarded as the deadliest tropical cyclone on record in the Southern Hemisphere. We're struggling to find information in English and none of our project members are proficient in Indonesian. If anyone can provide us with routes to look for information or sources it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, ~ Cyclonebiskit ( chat) 05:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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How could we change the word "Province" under the actual name to be "Province of Indonesia"? or would we need an Indonesian provinces template for that? -- Merbabu ( talk) 12:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
|settlement_type=
from [[provinces of Indonesia|Province]] to [[provinces of Indonesia|Province of Indonesia]].
Ckfasdf (
talk)
01:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I believe this "of Indonesia" is unnecessary. Per
Template:Infobox settlement, Country is listed on |subdivision_type=
, not on |settlement_type=
. And please look at the common usage in other similar articles in Wikipedia such as
Virginia (only State, not
U.S. state),
Kanagawa (only Prefecture, not
Prefecture of Japan),
Guangdong (only Province, not
Province of China),
Antique (only Province, not
Province of the Philippines, and so on.
Bluesatellite (
talk)
07:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Levirate marriage#Indonesia states:
According to the Karo people's adat, polygyny is permitted. A study of Kutagamber, a Karo village in the 1960s, noted one instance of the practice, as a result of levirate. The Indonesian term for it is "turun ranjang" (lit.: get down of one's bed).
Is this just a typo and the actual translation is "get down off one's bed," or is this just wrong? There's a citation, but it's just to an Indonesian dictionary and doesn't give any English translation. - Elmer Clark ( talk) 00:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi all! The spelling guide has a paragraph that currently reads:
In Javanese, the letter "a" is sometimes pronounced like "o" in the final syllables of words, and the words are sometimes spelled that way. The spelling with "a" should be retained (e.g. Surabaya, not Suroboyo; Gajah Mada, not Gajah Modo), unless the spelling with 'o' is more common in English-language documents (e.g. Solo River, not Sala River; Joko Widodo, not Jaka Widada). The variation should be noted in the article.
In the case of contemporary personal and place names, this is nice to mention, and in the case of "Jaka Widada" even a bit weird, unless meant as re-transliteration of the name if written in Javanese script. But every place name has an official spelling, and every person has an official spelling per birth certificate and KTP. So there is no variation in such cases. For historical figures and topics relating to Javanese culture, the general principles WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH apply. So would like to change the wording to:
In Javanese, the letter "a" is sometimes pronounced like "o" in the final syllables of words, and this is often reflected in the spelling. In place names or contemporary personal names, the official spelling is binding, regardless of the Javanese pronunciation or spelling convention, e.g. Surabaya, not "Suroboyo"; but Purwokerto, not " jv:Purwakerta"). For historical figures and topics relating to Javanese culture, the general principles WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH apply (e.g. Gajah Mada, not "Gajah Modo"; but Diponegoro, not " jv:Dipanegara"). If the spelling varies depending on source, this variation should be noted in the article.
Objections, suggestions? – Austronesier ( talk) 15:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, is there anybody knowledgeable out there to disentangle the section Sundanese script#History and standardization into a "History" and a "Standardization" part? As it reads now, it made me wonder whether Wikipedia already existed in the Orde Baru era :( – Austronesier ( talk) 10:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
A discussion about an Indonesian-language source has been opened at RSN. Editors familiar with the Indonesian language, and particularly with Indonesian-language history publications, are encouraged to participate. signed, Rosguill talk 23:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello dear WikiProject members. I would like to ask for an advice regarding one topic, that's bugging my mind for some time - Indonesian names. As you know, unlike in Western culture, Indonesians don't have surnames. Some groups within Indonesian society, like Batak or Indonesian Christians use often family names as a last name. Legally however, that's just another name, and it does not automatically pass from parents to children. Vast majority of Indonesians though don't use family/last names at all. It is a complete freestyle without any legal rules or boundaries. Now, the question is how do we sort Indonesian people in categories on enwiki. You may notice that prominent figures like Joko Widodo or Sri Mulyani Indrawati are sorted correctly by their first name. Majority of biographical articles on Indonesians however use {{ DEFAULTSORT}} to sort them by their last name. Naturally, non-Indonesian editors who have no clue about Indonesian names, assume automatically the last name is a surname. As a consequence, we are sometimes experiencing a chaos in our categories, where some people are sorted by their first name, whilst others by their last name.
I think we could get an inspiration from Icelandic people articles, look e.g. Gylfi Sigurdsson. Their articles use {{ Icelandic name}} as a hatnote. The Iceland-related categories within the article are sorted by the first name, the "non-Iceland-related" categories sorted by the last name. I would agree with the same model for Indonesian people. We have {{ Indonesian name}} as well.
What do you suggest, dear colleagues? Pinging active editors in Indonesian topics area: @ JarrahTree:, @ Juxlos:, @ Austronesier:, @ Raudalkhudri:, @ Jeromi Mikhael:. Feel free to invite more people to the discussion. Thank you. - Darwinek ( talk) 17:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Austronesier:, @ HaEr48: Thank you for your input. Before taking any further steps in implementing any new guidelines on Indonesian name sorting, we should definitely reach a broader consensus. Should we take this discussion to some other place?-- Darwinek ( talk) 22:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
@ JarrahTree:, @ Juxlos:, @ Austronesier:, @ Raudalkhudri:, @ Darwinek:: I think we should implement this as a consensus. FYI: I've been making a list of members of the parliament from 1950, which I based from this book, this book, and this book. All of this book have the same characteristics, which categorizes the names based on their origin (e.g. if the person is Bataknese, Kalimantan, etc, then the last name would be sorted, while if the person is from Java, etc, then the full name would be sorted). I've followed the sorting method from the book, but I realized that in the same list, 50 years later, this sorting method wasn't used again at all. 1999 list based on this list, click Anggota DPR for the list. It clearly shows us that there has been a change on name sorting guidelines in Indonesia from year to year.-- Jeromi Mikhael ( talk) 09:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello mates, I'm currently working on an article about a minister from Indonesia, Sadjarwo Djarwonagoro. I would like to address several problems regarding this man.
Which one should I trust? Should [2] be a reliable source?-- Jeromi Mikhael ( talk) 10:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys, just let you know. A few moments later I've come across shuffling an article in Indonesian Wikipedia, and I found this article. When I first saw his age, I just can't believe that this guy reached 130 years old. He was notable enough for his life to be recorded in several books: [6]; recorded in the official report of Jakarta: [7], and even he had his name entered in the Sunda encyclopedia: [8]. Unlike other figures in Indonesia which has no real track record. I believed that Falak could be entered in this list.-- Jeromi Mikhael ( talk) 12:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
H guys... can you help me to translate " Kesatuan Penjagaan Laut dan Pantai Indonesia"? I don't think "Indonesian Sea and Coast Guard" is the correct/proper translation due to Indonesian Maritime Security Agency is the agency considered as Indonesian Coast Guard (see criticism subsection on Law enforcement in Indonesia#Maritime law enforcement agencies). Thx. Ckfasdf ( talk) 09:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
FYI - There is an ongoing discussion about the periodization in the template: Template talk:History of Indonesia#Periodization restructuring. – Austronesier ( talk) 11:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
From WP:MILHIST:
Would Central Celebes back in the day would of been what? Back during WW2. East Java? Adamdaley ( talk) 09:50, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Adamdaley: The area of present-day Central Sulawesi corresponds to the afdeeling Midden-Celebes, which existed in the early 20th century and was part of the Residentie Menado in Great East. The afdeeling Midden-Celebes was divided in 1926 into two units, afdeeling Poso and afdeeling Donggala. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
useful for mid- war designations -
I have just reverted some very laborious efforts at creating claims about a proposed sea port (? !) being developed in Yogyakarta/Bantul area.
Big problem is there is nothing in english on the web about such a proposal - I might wonder if any editors more familiar with Indonesian language media have seen anything in the subject...
It has been removed from the transport section of /info/en/?search=Special_Region_of_Yogyakarta.
Any clues as to the veracity for WP:V would be useful. The claims being added seemed to be quite extraordinary. JarrahTree 09:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
The Yogya and Solo rulers often have extended family trees added with no sources offered - any thoughts ?
Silsilah are important for many Indonesians if they are able to claim some form of association with identified royalfamily members, however it is really WP:NOT for articles to have extended unsourced lists... JarrahTree 08:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply - regularly the hamengkubuwono and pakubuwono articles have the silsilah added with no sign of where from and no provenance... JarrahTree 10:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Hamengkubuwono IV - the surabaya/jakarta editor(s) seem persistent, but the problem is apparent attempt at RS - also the never ending desire for family trees... JarrahTree 08:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I notice the Jawa Pos (publication) article is located at Jawa Pos Group, which should actually be an article about the ownership company, not the publication .. does this make sense? Should the article about the publication exist simply at Jawa Pos instead, and if necessary an article about the ownership corporation at that other article?-- Dan Carkner ( talk) 16:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Para editor yth, does anyone see the potential to salvage that page with reliable sources before I will PROD it? – Austronesier ( talk) 15:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Might anyone be interested in creating a quick article on Roosilawaty? There are already articles on other Wikipedias: min:Roosilawaty and id:Roosilawaty. The reason I ask is that we have a featured picture that will have to be delisted unless an article is created! See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Chitra Dewi. Josh Milburn ( talk) 13:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Star Weekly: 6 December 1958, PT. Trade & Printing Press "Keng Po", 1958, retrieved 15 August 2020 - 5 of those on Trove - and good news is the run is online at monash - https://repository.monash.edu/items/show/88726#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0 - for anyone interested... JarrahTree 15:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed this edit (marked as minor) whereby the infobox now notes Aceh as an Islamic state.
What are the board's thoughts on that one? Does the implementation of Sharia Law thereby make a state an Islamic state? (Like many things in infoboxes) there is nothing in the main article along these lines.
Looking to get the board's opinion here on at the article talk page. -- Merbabu ( talk) 04:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
The subject maybe somewhere in the archives above - there is a need for the project to ascertain if every village in Indonesia is notable enough to include as inherently notable because of its existence - that leads to a rather large problem...
Any indication by fellow editors who watch here to make comment or suggestion? JarrahTree 01:49, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Further to this - it would appear that the defence of one line content free stubs will in all probability see the unfettered and unreasoned addition of 80,000 + stubs.
I would have thought that any sensible discussion of the inherent notability of a settlement might have been had here, for those who might have walked through some of the villages of Indonesia to realise that perhaps a slightly higher level be created for inclusion. Perhaps something like a heightened notability for regencies or villages (other than simply to be listed in articles further up the administrative heirarchy).
Something as simple as adequate WP:RS and WP:V of WP:N of a village could perhaps save an administration of 80,000 one line stubs?
Some adventurous editors in the past have created village stubs, and they are always (a) never adequately categorised (b) never expanded beyond their oneline 'they exist'
I would have thought the process should seriously consider what is said in WP:NOT. JarrahTree 01:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
And I am very sure, that the editors who have insisted that I was in the wrong to challenge new village articles, are in their own way totally auf fait and familiar with the existence of this project - /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Villages
JarrahTree 10:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi there - i stumbled across this list of notable people within an article. My first thought is that articles shouldn't contain such lists. They can stand alone. I don't think the majority of these people are that important to the city. Can i suggest in these cases that a stand alone list article is created, with a See Also link created in the city article? Other thoughts? -- Merbabu ( talk) 01:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Calling for a broader set of eyes on this one...as is the wikipedia way. The article was moved to "Bersiap killings" without discussion. The intent seems to have been to change the focus from a "phase" known as Bersiap to a focus on killings by Indonesian republicans. A lot of sourced-material has been removed without explaination. I am in the process of restoring it if it seems decent material. We can remove if good explanation is found. There is also new material added which I haven't yet got to look at closely.
I also reverted the unilateral page move from "Bersiap" to "Bersiap killings".
Would be good to have more eyes and input on the issue. -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:29, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
From 1 October to 31 December, Women in Red is running a virtual contest on Asian women. In November, this will coincide with Wikipedia Asian Month. We look forward to strong participation from all those interested in improving coverage of Indonesian women.-- Ipigott ( talk) 16:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, some of you may have noticed but someone operating behind anonymous accounts has been editing some biographical articles about Chinese Indonesian historical figures to change their name from the historical, Dutch influenced spelling to something a bit more like pinyin--so from Tan Boen Soan to Chen Wenxuan and so on. I noticed someone was reverting some of them and I reverted a few more. I'm not saying the pinyin shouldn't be in the article but it should not be listed at the top of the infobox as the only name,etc. -- Dan Carkner ( talk) 22:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
From Halawa, Ohiao (1999). Profil 48 Ketua Umum Parpol RI [Profile of the 48 Chairpersons of the Political Parties in Indonesia] (in Indonesian). Jakarta: NIAS and Kreasi Karya Wiguna. p. 54.
"Two, during its regime, [Golkar] has made all governmental institutions as its tool. The President is the Chairman of the Advisory Council [of Golkar]. Ministers, Armed Forces Commanders, and heads of state institution became the members of the Advisory Council [of Golkar].
Kedua, selama menguasai pemerintahan, secara jelas telah menjadikan lembaga kekuasaan negara sebagai perangkat organisasi Golkar. Presiden adalah Ketua Dewan Pembina. Menteri, Panglima ABRI, dan pimpinan lembaga pemerintahan menjadi anggota Dewan Pembina."
Pinging @ Juxlos, Davidelit, SiberianCat, Nyanardsan, Gerald Waldo Luis, and CakalangSantan: for assistance, opinions, and references about this. This might be the community's first attempt at creating such article. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 13:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
One thing to suggest, another to actually offer some links to the issue... also the process of going through 'in the news' requires a process JarrahTree 13:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, the thing is to create the article ASAP so it won't be basi.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 13:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Interesting. I'll look for references, will come back when got some. Gerald WL 15:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC) Update: it's national. Protests are enraging in Bandung, Jakarta, Sukabumi, plans for national strike, preparations for student strikes, Tangerang Regent is surrounded. The fact that the enactment of this law lies on a single person is what makes it interesting. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 17:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I think i've created article about the protest itself, but its still need much more improvement.Maybe instead of creating new article for the bill itself, we put information about the bill in protest article? Indonesia omnibus bill protests Nyanardsan ( talk) 03:37, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Well then. It seems that many people are interested in creating the page but not for the ITN. Guess I'll handle it myself then. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 02:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion about Omnibus Law Protests at ITN. Feel free to express your opinion. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 11:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm inspired by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives from the guys at the Good Articles WikiProject, and saw the opportunity of importing this thing into WP:Indonesia for National Hero topics. Since the government inevitably adds two up to eight national heroes each year (1965 is an exception), I'd suggest that we held a backlog drive for adding materials into the National Hero articles before it gets too cluttered with stubs. The main goal would to simply improve the article from a stub or start to C/B/GA/A/FA. National Hero day is getting closer at 10 November, and the duration of the backlog drive would be from a week before the day (3 November) and a week after the day (17 November). If the people here in WP:Indonesia agree then I'll start to make the corresponding subpage. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 07:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Main_Page#Day-after-tomorrow's_OTD, number 1. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 10:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.
The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process ( WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.
The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.
I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{ u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.
Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) ( talk) 00:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
When should we use deputy and when should we use vice for the translation of "wakil"? This thing has caught me since the Deputy Governor of Jakarta.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 13:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
File:Semen Padang Hospital.png looks to be above the "threshold of originality" and therefore not public domain, at least not in the USA. It is small and only used in id:Semen Padang Hospital. I recommend transwiki-ing it.
If the hospital is notable by English Wikipedia standards, consider translating the page into English. Yes, that will mean a second copy of the logo will have to be uploaded here if it will be used in the English version. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 🎄 17:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, can you have a look at this edit [14]? To me, this looks like a personal opinion plus partisan soapboxing garnished by respectable sources which either do not support the statement, or only reflect opinions by political groups which are covered in the source (CNN), but here added in wikivoice. – Austronesier ( talk) 20:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
WP:OR, WP:FRINGE, and in any case not notable enough to warrant an article. No serious academics talk about a distinct, regular Javanese contact separate from the Macassan or European contact. Someone proposed on the talk page that it should be redirected to the Macassan contact article. Or should it be deleted completely? Masjawad99 💬 06:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Jerome (who is this Did You Know nomination's nominator) is not currently active and the reviewer is asking if another editor could adopt it in his stead and address issues. In particular, the reviewer is asking for someone who knows Indonesian to help expand the article and perhaps look for more sources. Would anyone be willing to help out? Courtesy ping to HyperGaruda who appears to be the most active editor here apart from Jerome. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 02:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
This wikiproject may be interested in this discussion. Talk:Java (disambiguation)#Requested move 28 February 2021 Eopsid ( talk) 22:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Please see Talk:SilkAir_Flight_185#Introduction:_Suggest_to_remove_last_part for questions over WP:WEIGHT of the rudder malfunction theory of Silkair Flight 185. WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I only noticed after the fact, when someone removed the category from an article I follow, that the Category for people who attended the 1955 Bandung Conference was deleted. Now, this isn't only an Indonesian matter of course, but I thought maybe I could bring it to the attention here first (where, unfortunately no one thought to mention it when it was nominated to be deleted). Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_16#Category:Bandung_Conference_attendees IMO, this was a mistake. This wasn't just any conference as you all probably know. But the people voting to delete it seem to think it is. Actually an number of world leaders who never otherwise met came together at this conference and it was pretty important for the third world movement etc. Thoughts? Is there any way to appeal this kind of thing? I took a look at the process and it seems they don't want you to appeal it just if you disagree with the decision.-- Dan Carkner ( talk) 23:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I'm new here, and I really want to create a new article about Indonesian nationalism. Since there's no article about it, I might need your help to create it. Even many countries in ASEAN have their own form of nationalism, for example, The Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and Myanmar. Mhatopzz ( talk) 16:36, 27 May 2021
Here you go Indonesian nationalism anyone can contribute, your welcome
This article is in need of sources if anyone has time. See Talk:Amir Machmud. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:02, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks, this may be of interest here, I am suggesting that Boven-Digoel be moved to a more descriptive article name for a prison camp/concentration camp. Please let me know what you think at Talk:Boven-Digoel. -- Dan Carkner ( talk) 14:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
How do I tell the author that being a DPR Ambassador is not the same as being a DPR speaker or member? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I recently created an article for Eka Supria Atmaja. Any help improving it would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 01:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
TIL: The point of this thread is to ask whether it is suitable to include Ide Anak Agung Gde Agung in the List of youngest state leaders since 1900
So I've been thinking about this for a while and it took me some time to put this into word. As we know, Ide Anak Agung Gde Agung was a Balinese aristocrat who became the Prime Minister of East Indonesia. What's interesting is his age when he assumed the office: he was born on 21 July 1921 and he was installed on 15 December 1947. That means he was 26 years, 4 months when he became prime minister. For comparison, Sanna Marin, who was hailed as world's youngest prime minister (should've specified it as world's youngest incumbent prime minister) is 35 years old. And looking at this list, List of youngest state leaders since 1900, Agung is probably the second youngest prime minister in the world!
At first sight this seems ridiculous. It is common knowledge that East Indonesia is a Dutch puppet and the indigenuous officials can't do anything. Yes, that is on paper, but when we examine further East Indonesia is de jure until 27 August 1949, the date of RIS formation (and coincidentally the date when Agung ended his tenure as prime minister). There were no state body above the federal states (NICA isn't a state and the relations between Netherlands and the federal states is de jure an equal one). Please give your thoughts on this. (Sorry my English is a bit bad) --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Maybe many here, especially native Indonesians who edit more in English Wikipedia, would be interested in a discussion I just created here (unlink date per WP:DATELINK and simplification of lead sentence parenthetical phrases). Thanks. Hddty ( talk) 07:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks, I think it would be worthwhile to have an Indonesian perspective on this (or Papuan if there are any of you on here!). Due to the renaming of the article about the camp as Boven-Digoel concentration camp, Boven-Digoel is now a disambiguation page between the camp and the regency. What do you think of my suggestion on Talk:Boven-Digoel that the Regency may the primary topic at this point? -- Dan Carkner ( talk) 16:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
There have been a lot of uncited changes to religion numbers in Indonesian articles recently. Mostly seems to be people increasing the percentages of their favourite religions. If it goes on, there might be a need for some page protection, but I'm inclined to wait and see if they get bored. Any thoughts? Stay well everybody. Davidelit (Talk) 10:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
hey, I need your help and confirmation, does this article related or made under the context of Indonesian history or not? Mhatopzz ( talk) 02:30, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
I've been working on several regencies and cities for a while and at least made them C-class articles. I really hope we could at least make all provincial capital cities in Indonesia C-class by the end of this year. There also seems to be many outdated informations that need some update. Anyone onboard? Nyanardsan ( talk) 08:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I just partly translated Ali Kalora. I think its a pretty big deal that he was shot to death, would it worth to try inserting it to ITN? At least at minimum we can try to make it into RD. Apologize for the tag. @ Mhatopzz @ Dan Carkner @ Jeromi Mikhael @ Gerald Waldo Luis Nyanardsan ( talk) 05:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Many (most?) items listed here are accompanied by their Indonesian translation. Is that really what we should be doing? I would have thought not. I did a spot check of (an admittedly small sample) of the counterpart articles of France and Germany, and translations are not provided. The following terms, amongst others, are provided with Indonesian translations: "Unity in diversity", "red and white", "Jasminum sambac", "moon orchid", "national animal", "national bird", "diamond", etc, etc. Sure, if there is a proper noun or a non-translatable item, that's fine, but most are not these cases.
And casting a wider net, even in the Germany article, a translation of German (language) as "Deutsch" is not provided. Yet across the Indonesian "project" the articles are riddled with (what I think are superfluous) translations into Indonesian. -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Here's a challenge: History_of_the_Malay_language. One big ramble of barely decipherable musings. About as anti-wikipedia as you can get. Who's game? -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Mind if someone group them in a single category?
More articles coming soon.
Mhatopzz (
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12:54, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
So, there's four new figures named National Hero again Profil 4 Tokoh yang Mendapat Gelar Pahlawan Nasional 2021 this year. I've been thinking lately since many of National Hero biographies are barely start or stub, we probably could do a more organized backlog drive. As in, having barnstar as reward for it or something. It would be good if there's incentives for members of Wikiproject Indonesia to do deep researches on them and make this actual annual backlog drive like some big Wikiprojects did.
There's a dire need for reliable sources for these articles from books or historical records outside of articles about them in news when they are given the title. Given the fact that these figure's historical records and biographies were researched by TP2G in regional and national level consist of historians and actual academicians, Im sure we could find decent amount of information about them if we look hard enough.
What do you all think? Sorry for the tag @ Mhatopzz @ Dan Carkner @ Jeromi Mikhael @ Juxlos @ Merbabu Nyanardsan ( talk) 08:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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Looking at [1], I find it surprising that half of the views from Indonesia are to English Wikipedia. I'd have thought that since majority of Indonesians speak Indonesian language, they would read ind-wiki. I wonder if there's some education/wealth gap, i.e. since Internet penetration is only 25%, most people who have Internet are better educated, so can speak English, so go to English Wikipedia, and most who use ind-wiki are less educated people with poorer/none English skills? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
In the past week or so, Cal1407 had added massive amounts of prose to several articles about provinces - e.g. [2], [3], [4]. All the additions are quite poor in terms of both sourcing and inline citations. Before this becomes an edit war, I'd rather bring this up to other editors to help ensure that these edits - and the editor - does not make WP:Indonesia articles even worse in referencing than it already is. Juxlos ( talk) 19:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
this is now happening again - JarrahTree 01:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Separate article for statistics - the statistics section is so regularly edit warred - proposal at Tourism in Indonesia talk page. JarrahTree 09:01, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
So basically the current state of affairs is that the 3 terms are used interchangably in Indonesian politician articles e.g. Basuki Tjahaja Purnama vs Muzakir Manaf vs Rano Karno. I think it would be best to standardize everything. Also, I prefer the term vice. Juxlos ( talk) 09:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
I took over the abandoned review of Oei Hui-lan a while ago, but the original nominator no longer appears active. If someone from this wikiprojet wishes to respond to my comments at Talk:Oei Hui-lan/GA1 that would be great. I will probably close it as a fail if no one responds in a week or so. AIRcorn (talk) 18:26, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
For those Indonesia project watchers, earlier this year, I had a conversation with a portal maker in good faith about provinces being allocated a portal.
This is here for the record: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Jambi
No further comment, the evidence is provided without fear or favour even sense of humour (it is April the First) JarrahTree 22:53, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
The portal issue still continues /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Java JarrahTree 14:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi, In order to more efficiently focus (human) resources in the Indonesia Project, would it be an idea to signify the de facto abandonment of certain Indonesia articles by labeling them as abandoned by the Indonesia Project? I'm thinking in particular of the articles on Indonesian airports, TV stations and football clubs, where the sheer number of uncited, unreferenced and POV edits, often by IP editors, makes it impractical to maintain standards. I guess the easiest way would be either to create a category, or to remove the Project tag from these articles. Any suggestions for any additions to the list? Davidelit (Talk) 03:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
This is very much a glass half full versus glass half empty topic. There eare qually good arguments for both sides. It is like the personality types who actually designate their on wiki preferences - they are either deletionsists or inclusionists - for an older view or look at these two philosophies (not updated) - see Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia
The argument for keeping uncited, and quite poor quality stubs - is that someone will come along some day and improve/add to the stub - very close to what anthropologists observed in Cargo_cults in New Guinea.
The argument for deleting - is well displayed in the slaughter of portals just recently, regardless of the arguments for or against.
The original intention of allowing inadequate stubs, was in the relatively naive hope that there would be editors who might follow after the original creation of the stubs. It has not happened in a broad scale at all.
One possible remedy is to suggest that the playing with tv stations, airports and football clubs could be averted if only by one or more admins being indonesian project focused - we have lost more (interested admins) than we had some 5 years ago - and simply work on blanket protection, but broader wikipedia wide admins and others see protection as something temporary.
Another remedy or response to the suggestion, is to wait for and hope that a number of regular editors might turn up and offer their suggestions.
The regular and redundant argument we dont have what the Indonesian language wikipedia has - is really suggesting that we develop towards having the same items - many having literally no actual notability or credence other than to alert the wider wikipedia community that something exists - without anything that comes up to a WP:V or WP:N standard to actually qualify for reasons of inclusion.
Although in the previous section of this noticeboard, there is the item about what /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(geographic_features)#Geographic_regions,_areas_and_places might have in its favour, the argument requires careful examination as to what it might mean for this project.
There is no doubt what david has brought up is something to consider, as to whether we have a community of editors prepared to discuss and establish some consensus as to what might be best for this project, is another thing. JarrahTree 04:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Indonesian Wikipedia has articles for all of the kecamatan (subdistricts) and even many of the desa (villages), but not English Wikipedia. I want to expand especially for Papua. Can we use a bot, or do we have to do everything one by one? Sagotreespirit ( talk) 00:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Very strongly discouraged - almost certainly 80 to 90 percent of districts and villages are not inherently notable for naming and identification in English Wikipedia - although there is one unholy mess of districts for Indonesia. Tidying that up is one thing - creating new items is very strongly discouraged.
Indonesian wikipedia and english wikipedia have very different ways of looking at lower level subdivisions. There is literally no resources easily available online or in written sources in english that could substantiate any level of WP:V with WP:RS that could justify creation of stubs that would pass WP:N for general standards for english wikipedia.
Under no circumstances start, without waiting for at least some other editors to comment.
This has been through before (in this archive) with a different cohort of editors who realised that district lists and names are not what Wikipedia english is WP:ABOUT. JarrahTree 10:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
That is perhaps somewhat far fetched to expect that english wikipedia really needs an article for every village and kec in Indonesia - and I would strongly oppose that - if you understand how many useless one line stubs about places that will never have any WP:RS would go against what WP:ABOUT regardless of Geoland and BPS JarrahTree 14:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I have created Indonesian cities and regencies blank map based on File:Electoral Districts Indonesia DPR 2019.svg with update on new city/regency. Maybe it can be useful for this project. Hddty. ( talk) 17:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I was drawn to the article Talang Tuo inscription by the lengthy quotation showing up as misspelled (assuming English) words. I'd love to mark those quotations with {{ lang}} but "Old Malay" is not a known language code. I'll be doing something else.
But in looking around I got confused by the name "Talang Tuo". The text and title was changed by one editor in April 2018. And by the same editor over at the Indonesian wiki also in April 2018.
Searching with Google finds more "Talang Tuwo" than "Talang Tuo". And a number of "Talang Tuo" hits are copies of the renamed Wikipedia article. Searching for "Talang Tuwo" seems to find more occurrences in Malay scholarly texts? Lastly, searching for "Talang Tuwo" on English Wikipedia finds more than double the hits of "Talang Tuo"
I am uncertain, but it seems like the 'Tuwo' -> 'Tuo' change was not needed, and just one editor's opinion. Can you find something trustworthy to rely on regarding this name? Or point me to a better place to ask this question? Shenme ( talk) 04:46, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
As an on-going discussion over the years, the development of this projects' standards regarding administrative divisions, and nomenclature -
the latest installment = /info/en/?search=Talk:Kecamatans_of_Indonesia always good to see how things like this arise again and again, at least there is life in the project yet. JarrahTree 00:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Please note that a discussion about some means of standardising terminology in this project has been started at:
/info/en/?search=Talk:Ethnic_groups_in_Indonesia#Terminology
It is well introduced, and well considered of the issues, it should be checked carefully for any page lurkers here interested in standardising usages, a bug that seems to to exist in an ongoing manner in this project... JarrahTree 13:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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I'm reviewing 3rd Congress of the Indonesian Democratic Party but know nothing of sources, would someone from this project be able to help me re the verifiable criteria? Kingsif ( talk) 22:11, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Please can someone look at the Indonesian-langauge news items found by Google, and see if they can be used on Draft:Swietenia Puspa Lestari, in order that the article can be restored? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi, we currently don't have any articles coming in regularly for Indonesia. Anybody who is actively working on articles please add them to the challenge and get that Indonesian flag up there!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I added the preference to use "Indonesian" vs "Bahasa" in our guideline [5]. I hope this is not controversial and I think this reflects the current consensus and custom. Feel free to modify it if needed. HaEr48 ( talk) 18:00, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I have proposed an AfD discussion for Criticism of Joko Widodo. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of Joko Widodo and weigh in on the discussion. Juxlos ( talk) 03:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I hadnt expected such a positive and thoughtful reaction here in project space - thanks to those who have commented. I have no problems with whatever anyone wants to do with reducing the photo galleries - what had bothered me in the past was where the lede sentence and info box carried local (not national) scripts in articles like /info/en/?search=Surakarta JarrahTree 10:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Bali | |
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Regional transcription(s) | |
• Balinese | ᬩᬮᬶ |
From top, left to right: Sunset over Amed beach with Mount Agung in the background, Garuda Wisnu Kencana monument, Tanah Lot temple, view from top of Besakih Temple, scuba diving around Pemuteran, sunset over Kuta Beach, and various traditional Balinese people activities | |
Nicknames: Pulau
Dewata (Island of Deities), Island of Gods, Island of Peace, Morning of The World, Island of Hinduism, Island of Love | |
Motto(s): | |
![]() Location of Bali in Indonesia | |
Coordinates: 8°20′06″S 115°05′17″E / 8.33500°S 115.08806°E | |
Country | Indonesia |
Established | 14 August 1958 |
Capital and largest city | Denpasar |
Government | |
• Governor | I Wayan Koster ( PDI-P) |
• Vice Governor | Tjokorda Oka A. A. Sukawati |
Area | |
• Total | 5,780 km2 (2,230 sq mi) |
Population (mid 2019) | |
• Total | 4,362,000 |
• Density | 750/km2 (2,000/sq mi) |
Demographics | |
• Ethnic groups | |
• Religion |
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• Languages |
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Time zone | UTC+08 ( WITA) |
Vehicle registration | DK |
HDI | ![]() |
Website | baliprov.go.id |
Bali | |
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![]() Location of Bali in Indonesia | |
Coordinates: 8°20′06″S 115°05′17″E / 8.33500°S 115.08806°E | |
Country | Indonesia |
Established | 14 August 1958 |
Capital and largest city | Denpasar |
Government | |
• Governor | I Wayan Koster ( PDI-P) |
Area | |
• Total | 5,780 km2 (2,230 sq mi) |
Population (mid 2019) | |
• Total | 4,362,000 |
• Density | 750/km2 (2,000/sq mi) |
Demographics | |
• Ethnic groups | |
• Religion |
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Time zone | UTC+08 ( WITA) |
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Website | baliprov.go.id |
Hi there - is this the best place to discuss the ridiculous number of photos the Indonesia proinces seem to have?
6 is too many, now people are shoe-horning in up to 9! Indeed, maybe we shoudln't have them. The info boxes look more like Tourism Board promitions. This is a ridiculous number of photos].
I just did a random search of 3 equivalents in Australia, USA, and Germany - and 3 out of 3 have no photos in their boxes. Looks much better. refer:
I think it's time we grew up, got serious and had either 1 photos, or even no photos in the infobox. -- Merbabu ( talk) 03:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Merbabu: not 9 images or what, before that there were many provinces that had more than 6 images. but I adjusted it to 5 lines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.136.116.158 ( talk • contribs) 03:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
|image_skyline=
. Therefore I propose to make specific infobox for indonesian provinces (just as US states and Australian states) that didn't have specific parameter for photo.
Ckfasdf (
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06:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi again - thanks for your input (and below). I've just pasted two Bali info boxs into this section as an example for reference - ie, the existing, and a proposed. This can be applied to all provinces. I suggest the following changes
and it can go in the main article if relevant
I think the second one is better - key info only. not overweight and bloated and it doesn't take over half the page. -- Merbabu ( talk) 08:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
|image_skyline=
not higher subdivision. I don't really have issue with other parameter as other province/states/canton elsewhere also uses them. But if we agree to replace or even make infobox for indonesian province, maybe we can look up
Template:Infobox Australia state or territory or
Template:Infobox U.S. state as reference.
Ckfasdf (
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10:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Infoboxes are rampant with over-done material and over-usage of too many photos is just one of the issues:-
Then there is an un-reviewed issue of size and 'overdone' graphs
Many football articles have WP:FLAGCRUFT and WP:SEAOFBLUE well beyond reasonable accepted usage
However most perpatrators of these issues either have no sense of english language, or otherwise are defensive of their application of eccentric understandings of what WP:ABOUT and WP:NOT implies. JarrahTree 03:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Agree to remove per default all photos and non-Latin scripts from the infobox, and also non-Latin scripts from the lead. On a case-by-case basis, we could insert scripts if there is consensus and a good reason for it, e.g. if the regional script is used on official symbols such seals (I don't know if any province does that). We also don't need non-official names of provinces in regional languages, even if these are majority languages.
@ Ckfasdf: The major difference with Wuhan and Bhutan is, those are the scripts of the national languages, and the the default way that every one in that country will spell out these places. In Indonesia, only the Latin-script Indonesian name has such a status, so adding Jawa Timur to East Jawa is important and obligatory, but not "Jåwå Wétan" etc.
And from what I can tell by the sock smell of these IPs, we are dealing with maximally 2 or 3 long-blocked individuals who waste our time with their antics. – Austronesier ( talk) 08:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
So I've started removing the photos infoboxes - i must say some are very beautiful. We should look at incorporating some into the main body of the articles. -- Merbabu ( talk) 11:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Greetings from WP:WPTC. Recently, Hurricanehink began an article on the 1973 Flores cyclone, which is regarded as the deadliest tropical cyclone on record in the Southern Hemisphere. We're struggling to find information in English and none of our project members are proficient in Indonesian. If anyone can provide us with routes to look for information or sources it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, ~ Cyclonebiskit ( chat) 05:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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How could we change the word "Province" under the actual name to be "Province of Indonesia"? or would we need an Indonesian provinces template for that? -- Merbabu ( talk) 12:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
|settlement_type=
from [[provinces of Indonesia|Province]] to [[provinces of Indonesia|Province of Indonesia]].
Ckfasdf (
talk)
01:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I believe this "of Indonesia" is unnecessary. Per
Template:Infobox settlement, Country is listed on |subdivision_type=
, not on |settlement_type=
. And please look at the common usage in other similar articles in Wikipedia such as
Virginia (only State, not
U.S. state),
Kanagawa (only Prefecture, not
Prefecture of Japan),
Guangdong (only Province, not
Province of China),
Antique (only Province, not
Province of the Philippines, and so on.
Bluesatellite (
talk)
07:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Levirate marriage#Indonesia states:
According to the Karo people's adat, polygyny is permitted. A study of Kutagamber, a Karo village in the 1960s, noted one instance of the practice, as a result of levirate. The Indonesian term for it is "turun ranjang" (lit.: get down of one's bed).
Is this just a typo and the actual translation is "get down off one's bed," or is this just wrong? There's a citation, but it's just to an Indonesian dictionary and doesn't give any English translation. - Elmer Clark ( talk) 00:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi all! The spelling guide has a paragraph that currently reads:
In Javanese, the letter "a" is sometimes pronounced like "o" in the final syllables of words, and the words are sometimes spelled that way. The spelling with "a" should be retained (e.g. Surabaya, not Suroboyo; Gajah Mada, not Gajah Modo), unless the spelling with 'o' is more common in English-language documents (e.g. Solo River, not Sala River; Joko Widodo, not Jaka Widada). The variation should be noted in the article.
In the case of contemporary personal and place names, this is nice to mention, and in the case of "Jaka Widada" even a bit weird, unless meant as re-transliteration of the name if written in Javanese script. But every place name has an official spelling, and every person has an official spelling per birth certificate and KTP. So there is no variation in such cases. For historical figures and topics relating to Javanese culture, the general principles WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH apply. So would like to change the wording to:
In Javanese, the letter "a" is sometimes pronounced like "o" in the final syllables of words, and this is often reflected in the spelling. In place names or contemporary personal names, the official spelling is binding, regardless of the Javanese pronunciation or spelling convention, e.g. Surabaya, not "Suroboyo"; but Purwokerto, not " jv:Purwakerta"). For historical figures and topics relating to Javanese culture, the general principles WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH apply (e.g. Gajah Mada, not "Gajah Modo"; but Diponegoro, not " jv:Dipanegara"). If the spelling varies depending on source, this variation should be noted in the article.
Objections, suggestions? – Austronesier ( talk) 15:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, is there anybody knowledgeable out there to disentangle the section Sundanese script#History and standardization into a "History" and a "Standardization" part? As it reads now, it made me wonder whether Wikipedia already existed in the Orde Baru era :( – Austronesier ( talk) 10:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
A discussion about an Indonesian-language source has been opened at RSN. Editors familiar with the Indonesian language, and particularly with Indonesian-language history publications, are encouraged to participate. signed, Rosguill talk 23:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello dear WikiProject members. I would like to ask for an advice regarding one topic, that's bugging my mind for some time - Indonesian names. As you know, unlike in Western culture, Indonesians don't have surnames. Some groups within Indonesian society, like Batak or Indonesian Christians use often family names as a last name. Legally however, that's just another name, and it does not automatically pass from parents to children. Vast majority of Indonesians though don't use family/last names at all. It is a complete freestyle without any legal rules or boundaries. Now, the question is how do we sort Indonesian people in categories on enwiki. You may notice that prominent figures like Joko Widodo or Sri Mulyani Indrawati are sorted correctly by their first name. Majority of biographical articles on Indonesians however use {{ DEFAULTSORT}} to sort them by their last name. Naturally, non-Indonesian editors who have no clue about Indonesian names, assume automatically the last name is a surname. As a consequence, we are sometimes experiencing a chaos in our categories, where some people are sorted by their first name, whilst others by their last name.
I think we could get an inspiration from Icelandic people articles, look e.g. Gylfi Sigurdsson. Their articles use {{ Icelandic name}} as a hatnote. The Iceland-related categories within the article are sorted by the first name, the "non-Iceland-related" categories sorted by the last name. I would agree with the same model for Indonesian people. We have {{ Indonesian name}} as well.
What do you suggest, dear colleagues? Pinging active editors in Indonesian topics area: @ JarrahTree:, @ Juxlos:, @ Austronesier:, @ Raudalkhudri:, @ Jeromi Mikhael:. Feel free to invite more people to the discussion. Thank you. - Darwinek ( talk) 17:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Austronesier:, @ HaEr48: Thank you for your input. Before taking any further steps in implementing any new guidelines on Indonesian name sorting, we should definitely reach a broader consensus. Should we take this discussion to some other place?-- Darwinek ( talk) 22:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
@ JarrahTree:, @ Juxlos:, @ Austronesier:, @ Raudalkhudri:, @ Darwinek:: I think we should implement this as a consensus. FYI: I've been making a list of members of the parliament from 1950, which I based from this book, this book, and this book. All of this book have the same characteristics, which categorizes the names based on their origin (e.g. if the person is Bataknese, Kalimantan, etc, then the last name would be sorted, while if the person is from Java, etc, then the full name would be sorted). I've followed the sorting method from the book, but I realized that in the same list, 50 years later, this sorting method wasn't used again at all. 1999 list based on this list, click Anggota DPR for the list. It clearly shows us that there has been a change on name sorting guidelines in Indonesia from year to year.-- Jeromi Mikhael ( talk) 09:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello mates, I'm currently working on an article about a minister from Indonesia, Sadjarwo Djarwonagoro. I would like to address several problems regarding this man.
Which one should I trust? Should [2] be a reliable source?-- Jeromi Mikhael ( talk) 10:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys, just let you know. A few moments later I've come across shuffling an article in Indonesian Wikipedia, and I found this article. When I first saw his age, I just can't believe that this guy reached 130 years old. He was notable enough for his life to be recorded in several books: [6]; recorded in the official report of Jakarta: [7], and even he had his name entered in the Sunda encyclopedia: [8]. Unlike other figures in Indonesia which has no real track record. I believed that Falak could be entered in this list.-- Jeromi Mikhael ( talk) 12:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
H guys... can you help me to translate " Kesatuan Penjagaan Laut dan Pantai Indonesia"? I don't think "Indonesian Sea and Coast Guard" is the correct/proper translation due to Indonesian Maritime Security Agency is the agency considered as Indonesian Coast Guard (see criticism subsection on Law enforcement in Indonesia#Maritime law enforcement agencies). Thx. Ckfasdf ( talk) 09:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
FYI - There is an ongoing discussion about the periodization in the template: Template talk:History of Indonesia#Periodization restructuring. – Austronesier ( talk) 11:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
From WP:MILHIST:
Would Central Celebes back in the day would of been what? Back during WW2. East Java? Adamdaley ( talk) 09:50, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Adamdaley: The area of present-day Central Sulawesi corresponds to the afdeeling Midden-Celebes, which existed in the early 20th century and was part of the Residentie Menado in Great East. The afdeeling Midden-Celebes was divided in 1926 into two units, afdeeling Poso and afdeeling Donggala. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
useful for mid- war designations -
I have just reverted some very laborious efforts at creating claims about a proposed sea port (? !) being developed in Yogyakarta/Bantul area.
Big problem is there is nothing in english on the web about such a proposal - I might wonder if any editors more familiar with Indonesian language media have seen anything in the subject...
It has been removed from the transport section of /info/en/?search=Special_Region_of_Yogyakarta.
Any clues as to the veracity for WP:V would be useful. The claims being added seemed to be quite extraordinary. JarrahTree 09:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
The Yogya and Solo rulers often have extended family trees added with no sources offered - any thoughts ?
Silsilah are important for many Indonesians if they are able to claim some form of association with identified royalfamily members, however it is really WP:NOT for articles to have extended unsourced lists... JarrahTree 08:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply - regularly the hamengkubuwono and pakubuwono articles have the silsilah added with no sign of where from and no provenance... JarrahTree 10:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Hamengkubuwono IV - the surabaya/jakarta editor(s) seem persistent, but the problem is apparent attempt at RS - also the never ending desire for family trees... JarrahTree 08:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I notice the Jawa Pos (publication) article is located at Jawa Pos Group, which should actually be an article about the ownership company, not the publication .. does this make sense? Should the article about the publication exist simply at Jawa Pos instead, and if necessary an article about the ownership corporation at that other article?-- Dan Carkner ( talk) 16:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Para editor yth, does anyone see the potential to salvage that page with reliable sources before I will PROD it? – Austronesier ( talk) 15:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Might anyone be interested in creating a quick article on Roosilawaty? There are already articles on other Wikipedias: min:Roosilawaty and id:Roosilawaty. The reason I ask is that we have a featured picture that will have to be delisted unless an article is created! See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Chitra Dewi. Josh Milburn ( talk) 13:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Star Weekly: 6 December 1958, PT. Trade & Printing Press "Keng Po", 1958, retrieved 15 August 2020 - 5 of those on Trove - and good news is the run is online at monash - https://repository.monash.edu/items/show/88726#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0 - for anyone interested... JarrahTree 15:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed this edit (marked as minor) whereby the infobox now notes Aceh as an Islamic state.
What are the board's thoughts on that one? Does the implementation of Sharia Law thereby make a state an Islamic state? (Like many things in infoboxes) there is nothing in the main article along these lines.
Looking to get the board's opinion here on at the article talk page. -- Merbabu ( talk) 04:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
The subject maybe somewhere in the archives above - there is a need for the project to ascertain if every village in Indonesia is notable enough to include as inherently notable because of its existence - that leads to a rather large problem...
Any indication by fellow editors who watch here to make comment or suggestion? JarrahTree 01:49, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Further to this - it would appear that the defence of one line content free stubs will in all probability see the unfettered and unreasoned addition of 80,000 + stubs.
I would have thought that any sensible discussion of the inherent notability of a settlement might have been had here, for those who might have walked through some of the villages of Indonesia to realise that perhaps a slightly higher level be created for inclusion. Perhaps something like a heightened notability for regencies or villages (other than simply to be listed in articles further up the administrative heirarchy).
Something as simple as adequate WP:RS and WP:V of WP:N of a village could perhaps save an administration of 80,000 one line stubs?
Some adventurous editors in the past have created village stubs, and they are always (a) never adequately categorised (b) never expanded beyond their oneline 'they exist'
I would have thought the process should seriously consider what is said in WP:NOT. JarrahTree 01:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
And I am very sure, that the editors who have insisted that I was in the wrong to challenge new village articles, are in their own way totally auf fait and familiar with the existence of this project - /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Villages
JarrahTree 10:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi there - i stumbled across this list of notable people within an article. My first thought is that articles shouldn't contain such lists. They can stand alone. I don't think the majority of these people are that important to the city. Can i suggest in these cases that a stand alone list article is created, with a See Also link created in the city article? Other thoughts? -- Merbabu ( talk) 01:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Calling for a broader set of eyes on this one...as is the wikipedia way. The article was moved to "Bersiap killings" without discussion. The intent seems to have been to change the focus from a "phase" known as Bersiap to a focus on killings by Indonesian republicans. A lot of sourced-material has been removed without explaination. I am in the process of restoring it if it seems decent material. We can remove if good explanation is found. There is also new material added which I haven't yet got to look at closely.
I also reverted the unilateral page move from "Bersiap" to "Bersiap killings".
Would be good to have more eyes and input on the issue. -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:29, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
From 1 October to 31 December, Women in Red is running a virtual contest on Asian women. In November, this will coincide with Wikipedia Asian Month. We look forward to strong participation from all those interested in improving coverage of Indonesian women.-- Ipigott ( talk) 16:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, some of you may have noticed but someone operating behind anonymous accounts has been editing some biographical articles about Chinese Indonesian historical figures to change their name from the historical, Dutch influenced spelling to something a bit more like pinyin--so from Tan Boen Soan to Chen Wenxuan and so on. I noticed someone was reverting some of them and I reverted a few more. I'm not saying the pinyin shouldn't be in the article but it should not be listed at the top of the infobox as the only name,etc. -- Dan Carkner ( talk) 22:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
From Halawa, Ohiao (1999). Profil 48 Ketua Umum Parpol RI [Profile of the 48 Chairpersons of the Political Parties in Indonesia] (in Indonesian). Jakarta: NIAS and Kreasi Karya Wiguna. p. 54.
"Two, during its regime, [Golkar] has made all governmental institutions as its tool. The President is the Chairman of the Advisory Council [of Golkar]. Ministers, Armed Forces Commanders, and heads of state institution became the members of the Advisory Council [of Golkar].
Kedua, selama menguasai pemerintahan, secara jelas telah menjadikan lembaga kekuasaan negara sebagai perangkat organisasi Golkar. Presiden adalah Ketua Dewan Pembina. Menteri, Panglima ABRI, dan pimpinan lembaga pemerintahan menjadi anggota Dewan Pembina."
Pinging @ Juxlos, Davidelit, SiberianCat, Nyanardsan, Gerald Waldo Luis, and CakalangSantan: for assistance, opinions, and references about this. This might be the community's first attempt at creating such article. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 13:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
One thing to suggest, another to actually offer some links to the issue... also the process of going through 'in the news' requires a process JarrahTree 13:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, the thing is to create the article ASAP so it won't be basi.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 13:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Interesting. I'll look for references, will come back when got some. Gerald WL 15:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC) Update: it's national. Protests are enraging in Bandung, Jakarta, Sukabumi, plans for national strike, preparations for student strikes, Tangerang Regent is surrounded. The fact that the enactment of this law lies on a single person is what makes it interesting. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 17:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I think i've created article about the protest itself, but its still need much more improvement.Maybe instead of creating new article for the bill itself, we put information about the bill in protest article? Indonesia omnibus bill protests Nyanardsan ( talk) 03:37, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Well then. It seems that many people are interested in creating the page but not for the ITN. Guess I'll handle it myself then. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 02:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion about Omnibus Law Protests at ITN. Feel free to express your opinion. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 11:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm inspired by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives from the guys at the Good Articles WikiProject, and saw the opportunity of importing this thing into WP:Indonesia for National Hero topics. Since the government inevitably adds two up to eight national heroes each year (1965 is an exception), I'd suggest that we held a backlog drive for adding materials into the National Hero articles before it gets too cluttered with stubs. The main goal would to simply improve the article from a stub or start to C/B/GA/A/FA. National Hero day is getting closer at 10 November, and the duration of the backlog drive would be from a week before the day (3 November) and a week after the day (17 November). If the people here in WP:Indonesia agree then I'll start to make the corresponding subpage. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 07:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Main_Page#Day-after-tomorrow's_OTD, number 1. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 10:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.
The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process ( WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.
The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.
I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{ u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.
Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) ( talk) 00:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
When should we use deputy and when should we use vice for the translation of "wakil"? This thing has caught me since the Deputy Governor of Jakarta.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ( marhata) 13:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
File:Semen Padang Hospital.png looks to be above the "threshold of originality" and therefore not public domain, at least not in the USA. It is small and only used in id:Semen Padang Hospital. I recommend transwiki-ing it.
If the hospital is notable by English Wikipedia standards, consider translating the page into English. Yes, that will mean a second copy of the logo will have to be uploaded here if it will be used in the English version. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 🎄 17:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, can you have a look at this edit [14]? To me, this looks like a personal opinion plus partisan soapboxing garnished by respectable sources which either do not support the statement, or only reflect opinions by political groups which are covered in the source (CNN), but here added in wikivoice. – Austronesier ( talk) 20:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
WP:OR, WP:FRINGE, and in any case not notable enough to warrant an article. No serious academics talk about a distinct, regular Javanese contact separate from the Macassan or European contact. Someone proposed on the talk page that it should be redirected to the Macassan contact article. Or should it be deleted completely? Masjawad99 💬 06:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Jerome (who is this Did You Know nomination's nominator) is not currently active and the reviewer is asking if another editor could adopt it in his stead and address issues. In particular, the reviewer is asking for someone who knows Indonesian to help expand the article and perhaps look for more sources. Would anyone be willing to help out? Courtesy ping to HyperGaruda who appears to be the most active editor here apart from Jerome. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 02:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
This wikiproject may be interested in this discussion. Talk:Java (disambiguation)#Requested move 28 February 2021 Eopsid ( talk) 22:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Please see Talk:SilkAir_Flight_185#Introduction:_Suggest_to_remove_last_part for questions over WP:WEIGHT of the rudder malfunction theory of Silkair Flight 185. WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I only noticed after the fact, when someone removed the category from an article I follow, that the Category for people who attended the 1955 Bandung Conference was deleted. Now, this isn't only an Indonesian matter of course, but I thought maybe I could bring it to the attention here first (where, unfortunately no one thought to mention it when it was nominated to be deleted). Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_16#Category:Bandung_Conference_attendees IMO, this was a mistake. This wasn't just any conference as you all probably know. But the people voting to delete it seem to think it is. Actually an number of world leaders who never otherwise met came together at this conference and it was pretty important for the third world movement etc. Thoughts? Is there any way to appeal this kind of thing? I took a look at the process and it seems they don't want you to appeal it just if you disagree with the decision.-- Dan Carkner ( talk) 23:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I'm new here, and I really want to create a new article about Indonesian nationalism. Since there's no article about it, I might need your help to create it. Even many countries in ASEAN have their own form of nationalism, for example, The Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and Myanmar. Mhatopzz ( talk) 16:36, 27 May 2021
Here you go Indonesian nationalism anyone can contribute, your welcome
This article is in need of sources if anyone has time. See Talk:Amir Machmud. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:02, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks, this may be of interest here, I am suggesting that Boven-Digoel be moved to a more descriptive article name for a prison camp/concentration camp. Please let me know what you think at Talk:Boven-Digoel. -- Dan Carkner ( talk) 14:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
How do I tell the author that being a DPR Ambassador is not the same as being a DPR speaker or member? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I recently created an article for Eka Supria Atmaja. Any help improving it would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 01:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
TIL: The point of this thread is to ask whether it is suitable to include Ide Anak Agung Gde Agung in the List of youngest state leaders since 1900
So I've been thinking about this for a while and it took me some time to put this into word. As we know, Ide Anak Agung Gde Agung was a Balinese aristocrat who became the Prime Minister of East Indonesia. What's interesting is his age when he assumed the office: he was born on 21 July 1921 and he was installed on 15 December 1947. That means he was 26 years, 4 months when he became prime minister. For comparison, Sanna Marin, who was hailed as world's youngest prime minister (should've specified it as world's youngest incumbent prime minister) is 35 years old. And looking at this list, List of youngest state leaders since 1900, Agung is probably the second youngest prime minister in the world!
At first sight this seems ridiculous. It is common knowledge that East Indonesia is a Dutch puppet and the indigenuous officials can't do anything. Yes, that is on paper, but when we examine further East Indonesia is de jure until 27 August 1949, the date of RIS formation (and coincidentally the date when Agung ended his tenure as prime minister). There were no state body above the federal states (NICA isn't a state and the relations between Netherlands and the federal states is de jure an equal one). Please give your thoughts on this. (Sorry my English is a bit bad) --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Maybe many here, especially native Indonesians who edit more in English Wikipedia, would be interested in a discussion I just created here (unlink date per WP:DATELINK and simplification of lead sentence parenthetical phrases). Thanks. Hddty ( talk) 07:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks, I think it would be worthwhile to have an Indonesian perspective on this (or Papuan if there are any of you on here!). Due to the renaming of the article about the camp as Boven-Digoel concentration camp, Boven-Digoel is now a disambiguation page between the camp and the regency. What do you think of my suggestion on Talk:Boven-Digoel that the Regency may the primary topic at this point? -- Dan Carkner ( talk) 16:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
There have been a lot of uncited changes to religion numbers in Indonesian articles recently. Mostly seems to be people increasing the percentages of their favourite religions. If it goes on, there might be a need for some page protection, but I'm inclined to wait and see if they get bored. Any thoughts? Stay well everybody. Davidelit (Talk) 10:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
hey, I need your help and confirmation, does this article related or made under the context of Indonesian history or not? Mhatopzz ( talk) 02:30, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
I've been working on several regencies and cities for a while and at least made them C-class articles. I really hope we could at least make all provincial capital cities in Indonesia C-class by the end of this year. There also seems to be many outdated informations that need some update. Anyone onboard? Nyanardsan ( talk) 08:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I just partly translated Ali Kalora. I think its a pretty big deal that he was shot to death, would it worth to try inserting it to ITN? At least at minimum we can try to make it into RD. Apologize for the tag. @ Mhatopzz @ Dan Carkner @ Jeromi Mikhael @ Gerald Waldo Luis Nyanardsan ( talk) 05:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Many (most?) items listed here are accompanied by their Indonesian translation. Is that really what we should be doing? I would have thought not. I did a spot check of (an admittedly small sample) of the counterpart articles of France and Germany, and translations are not provided. The following terms, amongst others, are provided with Indonesian translations: "Unity in diversity", "red and white", "Jasminum sambac", "moon orchid", "national animal", "national bird", "diamond", etc, etc. Sure, if there is a proper noun or a non-translatable item, that's fine, but most are not these cases.
And casting a wider net, even in the Germany article, a translation of German (language) as "Deutsch" is not provided. Yet across the Indonesian "project" the articles are riddled with (what I think are superfluous) translations into Indonesian. -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Here's a challenge: History_of_the_Malay_language. One big ramble of barely decipherable musings. About as anti-wikipedia as you can get. Who's game? -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Mind if someone group them in a single category?
More articles coming soon.
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So, there's four new figures named National Hero again Profil 4 Tokoh yang Mendapat Gelar Pahlawan Nasional 2021 this year. I've been thinking lately since many of National Hero biographies are barely start or stub, we probably could do a more organized backlog drive. As in, having barnstar as reward for it or something. It would be good if there's incentives for members of Wikiproject Indonesia to do deep researches on them and make this actual annual backlog drive like some big Wikiprojects did.
There's a dire need for reliable sources for these articles from books or historical records outside of articles about them in news when they are given the title. Given the fact that these figure's historical records and biographies were researched by TP2G in regional and national level consist of historians and actual academicians, Im sure we could find decent amount of information about them if we look hard enough.
What do you all think? Sorry for the tag @ Mhatopzz @ Dan Carkner @ Jeromi Mikhael @ Juxlos @ Merbabu Nyanardsan ( talk) 08:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)