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Guys, I found some recent updates regarding this article (although it is still primary source).
I have updated the regional map file, and this time the map is my own creation. ~Thank You ꧋ꦩꦣꦪ Fazoffic ( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ) 22:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
There is an AfD for this article ongoing, but it is difficult for contributors who do not know Indonesian to evaluate the notability and reliability of its sources since they are all non English. Help would be appreciated.
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The Wikipedia article for Ragnar Oratmangoen claims that he is a Muslim of Indonesian origin, referencing a source written in Indonesian, so I attempted to add Oratmangoen to the "Dutch Muslims" category.
However, another Wikipedian undid my revision because I had no English sources claiming that Oratmangoen is a Muslim. Could an Indonesian-speaking person look at the source given in Oratmangoen's article and confirm whether he is a Muslim or not? If he is, please add him to the "Dutch Muslims" category and mention that there are Indonesian-language sources to support this in the edit summary. M89565c ( talk) 18:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
There's discussion regarding English translation of Ejaan yang disempurnakan on Talk:Perfected Spelling (Indonesian)#Enhanced, Perfected, Improved?. Looking forward to your input. Ckfasdf ( talk) 08:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
The discussion is actually with an earlier post from a never visit again editor some time back, four and half years ago...
The first reference that I encounter in a dictionary - (definitely not a google check) -
Just my opinion and I don't have a strong feeling on which way it should go on Wikipedia, but I took a few years of Indonesian language courses in the West and do not recall ever hearing Perfected Spelling in any course, although maybe in a textbook it was printed somewhere. After that however in books and articles it was the most common translation I came across for EYD. To me it's a unique but acceptable literal translation that is commonly used but I'm not fussed if the group feels otherwise. In writing Wiki articles I do sometimes find it awkward to spell out either Perfected Spelling: EYD: or Van Ophuijsen Spelling System: in the intro when offering alternate spellings, and sometimes I feel "pre-1948 spelling" or "pre-independence spelling" or other time-based ways are clearer for the casual reader, but those have their flaws too. Dan Carkner ( talk) 22:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I think flags such as provincial ones should be reinstated. Reason being they are legally exist and legit (albeit its a little tricky to cite the specific laws). Flags would also not overflow the Infobox as they have its own separate section that occupies the slot next to the Coat of Arms. I surfed the wikipedia a little bit and found that Provinces of France, Prefectures of Japan, and States of the United States, etc. have their flags displayed on the infobox. Not sure why would we be the odd's one out in this case.
Hence I will repeat my self by reiterating what I previously said before:
I see no reason why we shouldn't add flags as well, as it is informative as it is harmless. And as for Flags are just CoA with a rectangle cloth with coloured background... well pretty much sums up most of the world's State/Provincial/City flags. Or if its too cluttered I disagree as a flag would only take one space and that space is already made available right next to the CoA meaning it will not make the Infobox any bigger. From my understanding of the consensus it is supposed to be temporary, as it is nearing 3 years since it was first made I think the topic should be reopened and flags should be reinstated (at least the ones we can confirm of its existence, accurate)
Flags I can confirm are the ones with link:
Sumatra (7/10 Provinces)
Aceh, North Sumatra, West Sumatra, Riau (different colour), Riau Islands, Jambi (different colour), South Sumatra, Bengkulu, Bangka Belitung, Lampung (different colour).
Java and Nusa Tenggara (8/9 Provinces)
Banten, Jakarta, West Java, Central Java, Yogyakarta, East Java, Bali (different colour), West Nusa Tenggara, East Nusa Tenggara.
Kalimantan (4/5 Provinces)
West Kalimantan, Central Kalimantan, South Kalimantan, East Kalimantan (different colour), North Kalimantan.
Sulawesi and Maluku (7/8 Provinces)
West Sulawesi, South Sulawesi, Southeast Sulawesi, Central Sulawesi, Gorontalo, North Sulawesi, Maluku, North Maluku (different colour).
Papua (3/6 Provinces)
Southwest Papua, West Papua, Papua (different colour), Highland Papua, Central Papua, South Papua.
As usual I look forward to hear everyone's thoughts on this. EvoSwatch ( talk) 05:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I think that section should be improved. However, I myself don't know what the improved guidelines would look like. We can maybe try gathering ideas here.
On second mention, Western names generally only use surname ( MOS:SURNAME). For Indonesian names, that's usually not always the case. I checked AP Stylebook, it only has guidelines for Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish names, there's no guidelines for Indonesian names.
A journalist on this tweet (that Twitter thread is worth to read by the way) claim to have made a style guide for Indonesian name. But sadly that guidelines is not publicly available ( tweet). (Someone can probably ask her?) Hddty ( talk) 05:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunately the article about EYD has been moved to Enhanced Spelling of the Indonesian Language without consensus. At least a few of us seemed to agree that Perfected Spelling, although it sounds strange in English, is the Wikipedia:COMMONNAME; see Talk:Enhanced_Spelling_of_the_Indonesian_Language#Enhanced,_Perfected,_Improved?. As it has been moved several times this year I'm not clear on what the procedure is to address this. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Source. Not sure whether this has been done somewhere, but I curious so I did it myself, copied from my Excel. The first table is sum of second table, where the number is rounded, so the first table's number may be a little bit not presice.
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Hddty ( talk) 14:31, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
That article was fairly well fleshed out. The only problem is that it had poor sources and as a result described as facts things that are (mostly) a 17th-century reconstruction of what must have happened sixteen centuries ago. It also included theories that are, hmm, let’s say "optimistic" - such as having the Egypt-based savant Ptolemy travelling in person to Java (at a time where going from Egypt to India was already a long and dangerous voyage, let alone pushing to the West Indies).
I violently cut it down to a fairly short stub with basically a single scholarly source that says (essentially) that the kingdom is a myth. (I might have lost some valuable stuff in the process within all the cruft.) A Google Scholar search for "Salakanagara" seems to find some more literature on the subject but most sources are in Bahasa Indonesia (which I cannot read and online translators do not seem to work well). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Grnrchst ( talk) 13:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)I don't know the first thing about Indonesian history, so hoping an experienced editor who does can take a look at something. A mixture of accounts and IPs (possibly one person? unclear) have made a bunch of edits to the Bersiap article, apparently incensed by the inclusion of a source from one particular scholar. I do not know anything about the validity of the objection (regardless of the scholar's reputation, it seems to me it's just being used to source the fact that the Bersiap is known by different names in different parts of Indonesia), and their manner of addressing it has involved only deleting half of reference templates at a time and repeatedly reverting.
The page is now semi-protected, but the discussion continues on the talk page. This person/people's rather chaotic approach continues, including logging out of accounts halfway through discussion threads and using very uncivil language. Hoping someone can weigh in on the substance of the issue, so we can then focus on handling the disruptive behaviour aspect. Thanks in advance! AntiDionysius ( talk) 16:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi folks, I'm trying to figure out what went on here and who initiated it but I admit I'm not good at figuring out where to see the history of speedy category moves or what discussion took place after it's been closed. Category:Dutch people of the Dutch East Indies was apparently speedy moved to Category:Dutch expatriates in the Dutch East Indies which strikes me as worse. Were all (European-born) Dutch people expatriates there? But it was part of their own territory wasn't it? And how about Dutch people born and living in the Indies, are they now part of this category?
Perhaps there are not enough articles to be fussing about this but it strikes me there are different overlapping concepts: ethnically "Dutch" people in the Indies (may include Indos, may be born in Europe or Asia or South Africa etc), Dutch citizens in the Indies (may include Indos and later others who applied, excluding German and other citizens living and working equally as Europeans in Indies), and people with European status in the Indies (may include those non Dutch citizens, is perhaps the most omnipresent and important legal status for someone as compared to the others).
Any thoughts? Dan Carkner ( talk) 14:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Army Strategic Reserve Command#Requested move 15 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 15:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Follow-up to my thread above, I finally did a bit of research and suggested a move for Indonesian orthography. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
I recently travelled to Lombok and reviewed some of Wikipedia's articles about the island, notably those relating to Kuta and Mandalika (also the nearby Mandalika International Street Circuit). The Kuta and Mandalika resort articles are essentially about the same small area, and I think they should be merged into one - perhaps named 'Kuta Mandalika' (I saw some large street signage using this name). What do other editors think? Paul W ( talk) 18:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Can someone help me make sense of this edit? They have added a mention that Sin Po continues as a digital publication, and the reference is a link to the website of the new publication which does seem legit--but is it appropriate to frame it in the article as a continuation and not simply a new publication half a century later that adopted a historical name? thanks. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:TVRI Sulawesi Selatan#Requested move 3 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Lightoil ( talk) 17:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sir David's long-beaked echidna#Requested move 11 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
User:SandyGeorgia has nominated Borobudur for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 15:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi folks, I decided to beef up the article about the Surabaya Synagogue today and only after doing a bunch of work did I notice there was also an article about the congregation that owned it, the Israelitische Gemeente Soerabaia. I proposed that they be merged with a redirect, feel free to comment on it at Talk:Surabaya_Synagogue#Proposed_merger_December_2023. thanks. Dan Carkner ( talk) 01:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
We now have two Darul Islam main articles, along with other...
It would be very good if any lurkers on this page were to offer opinions, suggestions,
as the potential complications arise if they remain as is. My 2 cents is that we (if there is anyone available for a reasonable overview) are able
to resolve the issue in WP:AGF and sooner than later, as the effort going in to the
new curiously spelt item is considerable... Of course all we need (irony alert) is an editor/admin with no knowledge of the background
and context to simply jump in and delete one or other without consultation. One hopes not.
Please - any response is appreciated in this very quiet noticeboard. Thanks.
JarrahTree 02:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi.. There's a discussion to clarify definition of "legal" on Talk:LGBT rights in Indonesia#Legal's meaning , More opinions are welcome. Thank you. Ckfasdf ( talk) 04:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
If Joko Widodo has served as the Indonesian president since 2014. Then, he can't run in 2024. If Indonesian presidents can serve up to two five-year terms, totaling 10 years, then his tenure is up.
Is there a reason why he's listed as the imcumbent on the wiki page?
I'm new to this, but if that's there to just show who was president before 2024's election, then disregard this topic. @ 2024 Indonesian general election Uakendes7622 ( talk) 04:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peranakans#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 12:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
This has been bothering me for a long time, for anyone that has experience in Vectoring (i.e. SVG)
The file
[1] is wrong, as can be seen here by the Air Force's
post the flames on the bottom should be 4 and 5 symbolizing the flames of 1945.
Can anyone that has experience in svg would please take your time and change as it should be? I understand it doesn't have to be 1:1 exact replica but when it comes to the hidden meanings and symbols I think its important to get it right. If you do have the time and experience please, thank you.
- EvoSwatch ( talk) 16:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Halmahera Sea languages#Requested move 11 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 21:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maden language#Requested move 11 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 21:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
I see that in every province led by an acting governor (example Jakarta), there is the word "Acting" in the "Acting Governor" section. In my opinion, this positioning is not appropriate, because if it is led by a definitive governor then I am afraid readers will misunderstand that it is still led by an official. I suggest it is better to just use the word "Acting" after the name so that editors can understand the meaning of the word. Thank You
Example the word "Acting" after a name
Baqotun0023 ( talk) 01:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Recently I nominated several articles for deletion on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Indonesia, I'd like to invite you all to participate on AfD discussion. Thank you. Ckfasdf ( talk) 06:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
We should have flags in infoboxes. It doesn't make any sense to not allow official flags in them. Eehuiio ( talk) 11:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
There are things that's been bothering me for a while. So I will put two issues I'd like to discuss with other active members of WP:Indonesia.
This is pretty much unanimous i believe but still problematic. We translated "kabupaten" as "regency", becaucse thats how it should be, and that for a time mistranslation as "district" was done by foreign sources or badly translated ones most of the time. However,
Statistics Indonesia have been translating "kabupaten" as "district" and "kecamatan" as "subdistrict" for a good few years now and considering they basically is the most official way to know things about Indonesian regencies, what do we do now? Adjust it to BPS translation? But thats such a dumb translation and then we'll find a lot of incosistency especially on how kecamatan is literally "distrik" in Papua, and that there's so much to change if we decide to agree with BPS translation.
How do we standarize translation on kabupaten and kecamatan names? Do we translate them to English or leave it as it is? Why do we translate kecamatan names and to what extend? I've seen kecamatan named "something kota" written as "something town", but then there are some that are not. There are kecamatan named "Hulu" and "Hilir" that are then translated into "Upper" and "Lower" but we dont translate Kapuas Hulu Regency into Upper Kapuas Regency (and if we do it feels kinda wrong to translate it). But for West East South North we translated it on regency names such as North Central Timor Regency but then we sometimes dont do it on kecamatan and leave it as "Kecamatan something Selatan". Should the kecamatan naming convention follows regency naming convention? We translate cardinal directions but nothing else, or maybe there's other way to do it?
I think that's all issues i'm bringing up for now. Apologize for bothering. Thank you very much
Nyanardsan ( talk) 09:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
yeah, it is very difficult - see Kulon Progo -
Kulon Progo Regency is divided into twelve districts (kapanewon), listed below with their areas and their populations at the 2010 census[2] and the 2020 census,[3] together with the official estimates as at mid 2022.[4] The table also includes the locations of the district administrative centres, the number of administrative villages (classed as kalurahan) in each district, and its post code
So the variants in different 'umbrella articles', and articles about various regions have variants of explanation, so it is potentially not easily resolvable.
so it's at all levels... JarrahTree 12:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipediansand I believe this should be a general translation guideline.
The publication “Dusun Selatan Subdistrict in Figures 2019” is a continuation of previouspublications that are published periodically by BPS-Statistics of Barito Selatan Regency". So, I don't really see the issue. Ckfasdf ( talk) 03:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:? (film)#Requested move 9 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 23:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
I have request RfC Talk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for comment. Anyone interested can give their comments and review the evidence presented by me and Nitekuzee, thank you! Merzostin ( talk) 10:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Can anyone here help me with the historical charts called “lakipadada” or “lakipadaja” (primarily from Sulawesi) that I asked about here? ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 18:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC) There is an article at id:Lakipadada, but that seems to be a different topic. ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 18:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to draft an article about Ki Nartosabdo but, not being an Indonesian or Javanese speaker, I'm not clear on spellings. What's the preferred spelling? jv.wikipedia has Narto Sabdo but id.wikipedia has Nartosabdo, and some sources have Nartosabdho. Similarly what about Sunarto vs Soenarto? AlmostReadytoFly ( talk) 15:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
For dead people, whichever name is the most common in English-language discussions should be used. And according to Google trend data, it seems "Narto Sabdo" is more commonly used. However, we can put all three spelling name in the article itself, like in Sukarno and Suharto. Just FYI, Nartosabdo's tombstone uses "Nartosabdho". Ckfasdf ( talk) 23:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Guys, I found some recent updates regarding this article (although it is still primary source).
I have updated the regional map file, and this time the map is my own creation. ~Thank You ꧋ꦩꦣꦪ Fazoffic ( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ) 22:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
There is an AfD for this article ongoing, but it is difficult for contributors who do not know Indonesian to evaluate the notability and reliability of its sources since they are all non English. Help would be appreciated.
small jars
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18:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article for Ragnar Oratmangoen claims that he is a Muslim of Indonesian origin, referencing a source written in Indonesian, so I attempted to add Oratmangoen to the "Dutch Muslims" category.
However, another Wikipedian undid my revision because I had no English sources claiming that Oratmangoen is a Muslim. Could an Indonesian-speaking person look at the source given in Oratmangoen's article and confirm whether he is a Muslim or not? If he is, please add him to the "Dutch Muslims" category and mention that there are Indonesian-language sources to support this in the edit summary. M89565c ( talk) 18:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
There's discussion regarding English translation of Ejaan yang disempurnakan on Talk:Perfected Spelling (Indonesian)#Enhanced, Perfected, Improved?. Looking forward to your input. Ckfasdf ( talk) 08:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
The discussion is actually with an earlier post from a never visit again editor some time back, four and half years ago...
The first reference that I encounter in a dictionary - (definitely not a google check) -
Just my opinion and I don't have a strong feeling on which way it should go on Wikipedia, but I took a few years of Indonesian language courses in the West and do not recall ever hearing Perfected Spelling in any course, although maybe in a textbook it was printed somewhere. After that however in books and articles it was the most common translation I came across for EYD. To me it's a unique but acceptable literal translation that is commonly used but I'm not fussed if the group feels otherwise. In writing Wiki articles I do sometimes find it awkward to spell out either Perfected Spelling: EYD: or Van Ophuijsen Spelling System: in the intro when offering alternate spellings, and sometimes I feel "pre-1948 spelling" or "pre-independence spelling" or other time-based ways are clearer for the casual reader, but those have their flaws too. Dan Carkner ( talk) 22:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I think flags such as provincial ones should be reinstated. Reason being they are legally exist and legit (albeit its a little tricky to cite the specific laws). Flags would also not overflow the Infobox as they have its own separate section that occupies the slot next to the Coat of Arms. I surfed the wikipedia a little bit and found that Provinces of France, Prefectures of Japan, and States of the United States, etc. have their flags displayed on the infobox. Not sure why would we be the odd's one out in this case.
Hence I will repeat my self by reiterating what I previously said before:
I see no reason why we shouldn't add flags as well, as it is informative as it is harmless. And as for Flags are just CoA with a rectangle cloth with coloured background... well pretty much sums up most of the world's State/Provincial/City flags. Or if its too cluttered I disagree as a flag would only take one space and that space is already made available right next to the CoA meaning it will not make the Infobox any bigger. From my understanding of the consensus it is supposed to be temporary, as it is nearing 3 years since it was first made I think the topic should be reopened and flags should be reinstated (at least the ones we can confirm of its existence, accurate)
Flags I can confirm are the ones with link:
Sumatra (7/10 Provinces)
Aceh, North Sumatra, West Sumatra, Riau (different colour), Riau Islands, Jambi (different colour), South Sumatra, Bengkulu, Bangka Belitung, Lampung (different colour).
Java and Nusa Tenggara (8/9 Provinces)
Banten, Jakarta, West Java, Central Java, Yogyakarta, East Java, Bali (different colour), West Nusa Tenggara, East Nusa Tenggara.
Kalimantan (4/5 Provinces)
West Kalimantan, Central Kalimantan, South Kalimantan, East Kalimantan (different colour), North Kalimantan.
Sulawesi and Maluku (7/8 Provinces)
West Sulawesi, South Sulawesi, Southeast Sulawesi, Central Sulawesi, Gorontalo, North Sulawesi, Maluku, North Maluku (different colour).
Papua (3/6 Provinces)
Southwest Papua, West Papua, Papua (different colour), Highland Papua, Central Papua, South Papua.
As usual I look forward to hear everyone's thoughts on this. EvoSwatch ( talk) 05:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I think that section should be improved. However, I myself don't know what the improved guidelines would look like. We can maybe try gathering ideas here.
On second mention, Western names generally only use surname ( MOS:SURNAME). For Indonesian names, that's usually not always the case. I checked AP Stylebook, it only has guidelines for Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish names, there's no guidelines for Indonesian names.
A journalist on this tweet (that Twitter thread is worth to read by the way) claim to have made a style guide for Indonesian name. But sadly that guidelines is not publicly available ( tweet). (Someone can probably ask her?) Hddty ( talk) 05:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunately the article about EYD has been moved to Enhanced Spelling of the Indonesian Language without consensus. At least a few of us seemed to agree that Perfected Spelling, although it sounds strange in English, is the Wikipedia:COMMONNAME; see Talk:Enhanced_Spelling_of_the_Indonesian_Language#Enhanced,_Perfected,_Improved?. As it has been moved several times this year I'm not clear on what the procedure is to address this. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Source. Not sure whether this has been done somewhere, but I curious so I did it myself, copied from my Excel. The first table is sum of second table, where the number is rounded, so the first table's number may be a little bit not presice.
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Hddty ( talk) 14:31, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
That article was fairly well fleshed out. The only problem is that it had poor sources and as a result described as facts things that are (mostly) a 17th-century reconstruction of what must have happened sixteen centuries ago. It also included theories that are, hmm, let’s say "optimistic" - such as having the Egypt-based savant Ptolemy travelling in person to Java (at a time where going from Egypt to India was already a long and dangerous voyage, let alone pushing to the West Indies).
I violently cut it down to a fairly short stub with basically a single scholarly source that says (essentially) that the kingdom is a myth. (I might have lost some valuable stuff in the process within all the cruft.) A Google Scholar search for "Salakanagara" seems to find some more literature on the subject but most sources are in Bahasa Indonesia (which I cannot read and online translators do not seem to work well). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Grnrchst ( talk) 13:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)I don't know the first thing about Indonesian history, so hoping an experienced editor who does can take a look at something. A mixture of accounts and IPs (possibly one person? unclear) have made a bunch of edits to the Bersiap article, apparently incensed by the inclusion of a source from one particular scholar. I do not know anything about the validity of the objection (regardless of the scholar's reputation, it seems to me it's just being used to source the fact that the Bersiap is known by different names in different parts of Indonesia), and their manner of addressing it has involved only deleting half of reference templates at a time and repeatedly reverting.
The page is now semi-protected, but the discussion continues on the talk page. This person/people's rather chaotic approach continues, including logging out of accounts halfway through discussion threads and using very uncivil language. Hoping someone can weigh in on the substance of the issue, so we can then focus on handling the disruptive behaviour aspect. Thanks in advance! AntiDionysius ( talk) 16:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi folks, I'm trying to figure out what went on here and who initiated it but I admit I'm not good at figuring out where to see the history of speedy category moves or what discussion took place after it's been closed. Category:Dutch people of the Dutch East Indies was apparently speedy moved to Category:Dutch expatriates in the Dutch East Indies which strikes me as worse. Were all (European-born) Dutch people expatriates there? But it was part of their own territory wasn't it? And how about Dutch people born and living in the Indies, are they now part of this category?
Perhaps there are not enough articles to be fussing about this but it strikes me there are different overlapping concepts: ethnically "Dutch" people in the Indies (may include Indos, may be born in Europe or Asia or South Africa etc), Dutch citizens in the Indies (may include Indos and later others who applied, excluding German and other citizens living and working equally as Europeans in Indies), and people with European status in the Indies (may include those non Dutch citizens, is perhaps the most omnipresent and important legal status for someone as compared to the others).
Any thoughts? Dan Carkner ( talk) 14:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Army Strategic Reserve Command#Requested move 15 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 15:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Follow-up to my thread above, I finally did a bit of research and suggested a move for Indonesian orthography. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
I recently travelled to Lombok and reviewed some of Wikipedia's articles about the island, notably those relating to Kuta and Mandalika (also the nearby Mandalika International Street Circuit). The Kuta and Mandalika resort articles are essentially about the same small area, and I think they should be merged into one - perhaps named 'Kuta Mandalika' (I saw some large street signage using this name). What do other editors think? Paul W ( talk) 18:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Can someone help me make sense of this edit? They have added a mention that Sin Po continues as a digital publication, and the reference is a link to the website of the new publication which does seem legit--but is it appropriate to frame it in the article as a continuation and not simply a new publication half a century later that adopted a historical name? thanks. Dan Carkner ( talk) 17:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:TVRI Sulawesi Selatan#Requested move 3 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Lightoil ( talk) 17:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sir David's long-beaked echidna#Requested move 11 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi folks, I decided to beef up the article about the Surabaya Synagogue today and only after doing a bunch of work did I notice there was also an article about the congregation that owned it, the Israelitische Gemeente Soerabaia. I proposed that they be merged with a redirect, feel free to comment on it at Talk:Surabaya_Synagogue#Proposed_merger_December_2023. thanks. Dan Carkner ( talk) 01:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
We now have two Darul Islam main articles, along with other...
It would be very good if any lurkers on this page were to offer opinions, suggestions,
as the potential complications arise if they remain as is. My 2 cents is that we (if there is anyone available for a reasonable overview) are able
to resolve the issue in WP:AGF and sooner than later, as the effort going in to the
new curiously spelt item is considerable... Of course all we need (irony alert) is an editor/admin with no knowledge of the background
and context to simply jump in and delete one or other without consultation. One hopes not.
Please - any response is appreciated in this very quiet noticeboard. Thanks.
JarrahTree 02:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi.. There's a discussion to clarify definition of "legal" on Talk:LGBT rights in Indonesia#Legal's meaning , More opinions are welcome. Thank you. Ckfasdf ( talk) 04:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
If Joko Widodo has served as the Indonesian president since 2014. Then, he can't run in 2024. If Indonesian presidents can serve up to two five-year terms, totaling 10 years, then his tenure is up.
Is there a reason why he's listed as the imcumbent on the wiki page?
I'm new to this, but if that's there to just show who was president before 2024's election, then disregard this topic. @ 2024 Indonesian general election Uakendes7622 ( talk) 04:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peranakans#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 12:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
This has been bothering me for a long time, for anyone that has experience in Vectoring (i.e. SVG)
The file
[1] is wrong, as can be seen here by the Air Force's
post the flames on the bottom should be 4 and 5 symbolizing the flames of 1945.
Can anyone that has experience in svg would please take your time and change as it should be? I understand it doesn't have to be 1:1 exact replica but when it comes to the hidden meanings and symbols I think its important to get it right. If you do have the time and experience please, thank you.
- EvoSwatch ( talk) 16:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Halmahera Sea languages#Requested move 11 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 21:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maden language#Requested move 11 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 21:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
I see that in every province led by an acting governor (example Jakarta), there is the word "Acting" in the "Acting Governor" section. In my opinion, this positioning is not appropriate, because if it is led by a definitive governor then I am afraid readers will misunderstand that it is still led by an official. I suggest it is better to just use the word "Acting" after the name so that editors can understand the meaning of the word. Thank You
Example the word "Acting" after a name
Baqotun0023 ( talk) 01:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Recently I nominated several articles for deletion on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Indonesia, I'd like to invite you all to participate on AfD discussion. Thank you. Ckfasdf ( talk) 06:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
We should have flags in infoboxes. It doesn't make any sense to not allow official flags in them. Eehuiio ( talk) 11:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
There are things that's been bothering me for a while. So I will put two issues I'd like to discuss with other active members of WP:Indonesia.
This is pretty much unanimous i believe but still problematic. We translated "kabupaten" as "regency", becaucse thats how it should be, and that for a time mistranslation as "district" was done by foreign sources or badly translated ones most of the time. However,
Statistics Indonesia have been translating "kabupaten" as "district" and "kecamatan" as "subdistrict" for a good few years now and considering they basically is the most official way to know things about Indonesian regencies, what do we do now? Adjust it to BPS translation? But thats such a dumb translation and then we'll find a lot of incosistency especially on how kecamatan is literally "distrik" in Papua, and that there's so much to change if we decide to agree with BPS translation.
How do we standarize translation on kabupaten and kecamatan names? Do we translate them to English or leave it as it is? Why do we translate kecamatan names and to what extend? I've seen kecamatan named "something kota" written as "something town", but then there are some that are not. There are kecamatan named "Hulu" and "Hilir" that are then translated into "Upper" and "Lower" but we dont translate Kapuas Hulu Regency into Upper Kapuas Regency (and if we do it feels kinda wrong to translate it). But for West East South North we translated it on regency names such as North Central Timor Regency but then we sometimes dont do it on kecamatan and leave it as "Kecamatan something Selatan". Should the kecamatan naming convention follows regency naming convention? We translate cardinal directions but nothing else, or maybe there's other way to do it?
I think that's all issues i'm bringing up for now. Apologize for bothering. Thank you very much
Nyanardsan ( talk) 09:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
yeah, it is very difficult - see Kulon Progo -
Kulon Progo Regency is divided into twelve districts (kapanewon), listed below with their areas and their populations at the 2010 census[2] and the 2020 census,[3] together with the official estimates as at mid 2022.[4] The table also includes the locations of the district administrative centres, the number of administrative villages (classed as kalurahan) in each district, and its post code
So the variants in different 'umbrella articles', and articles about various regions have variants of explanation, so it is potentially not easily resolvable.
so it's at all levels... JarrahTree 12:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipediansand I believe this should be a general translation guideline.
The publication “Dusun Selatan Subdistrict in Figures 2019” is a continuation of previouspublications that are published periodically by BPS-Statistics of Barito Selatan Regency". So, I don't really see the issue. Ckfasdf ( talk) 03:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:? (film)#Requested move 9 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 23:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
I have request RfC Talk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for comment. Anyone interested can give their comments and review the evidence presented by me and Nitekuzee, thank you! Merzostin ( talk) 10:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Can anyone here help me with the historical charts called “lakipadada” or “lakipadaja” (primarily from Sulawesi) that I asked about here? ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 18:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC) There is an article at id:Lakipadada, but that seems to be a different topic. ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 18:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to draft an article about Ki Nartosabdo but, not being an Indonesian or Javanese speaker, I'm not clear on spellings. What's the preferred spelling? jv.wikipedia has Narto Sabdo but id.wikipedia has Nartosabdo, and some sources have Nartosabdho. Similarly what about Sunarto vs Soenarto? AlmostReadytoFly ( talk) 15:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
For dead people, whichever name is the most common in English-language discussions should be used. And according to Google trend data, it seems "Narto Sabdo" is more commonly used. However, we can put all three spelling name in the article itself, like in Sukarno and Suharto. Just FYI, Nartosabdo's tombstone uses "Nartosabdho". Ckfasdf ( talk) 23:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)