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Having just rewritten Mick Anglo, strikes me that we need to revisit the Miracleman/Marvelman naming problem. I thought I'd start here instead of an official rename request to thrash out issues. It appears the page was shifted from Marvelman to Miracleman as the fan emphasis/memory is on the Miracleman version. Personal feeling, no brainer:
I'm therefore floating renaming Miracleman back to Marvelman, before a major re-write of the page to reflect the whole history, not just what's happening now (no matter how exciting) or the rewrite in 1982, which are both just part of a longer history. (also posted to the Mircleman talk page) Archiveangel ( talk) 11:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I had a quick question regarding whether or not to add Category:LGBT Superheroes to Hercules. A recent issue (Hercules: Fall of an Avenger) implies that he had a sexual relationship with Northstar. On the one hand, I'm inclined to add it. But, I also am unsure whether this constitutes overcat, since it's mentioned only in one instance. It doesn't have any large effect of the character (though one can argue that an LGBT superhero is an LGBT superhero regardless of whether or not it factors deeply in plot points). Also, even if added, does it need to be discussed in the article itself? Currently the article doesn't appear to be set up to discuss the events of individual issues (which I agree with), and adding that a bunch of superheroes gather up and talk about his sexual conquests after he dies, including Northstar is obviously out of place. Suggestions? Luminum ( talk) 21:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
You should never add a category to an article unless the article already supports that category. So information that isn't even mentioned in the article should not be categorized. postdlf ( talk) 15:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Just FYI, an editor has changed
Supermans Kypronian name from Kal-El to Kal-L (no 'E').
User:Dca5347 at 18:51, 2 April 2010.
See this
DIFF--
220.101.28.25 (
talk) 03:37, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
The Marvelman article is currently undergoing a major revision to address a number of issues raised on Talk:Marvelman; including a 'publication history' section, a 'fictional character biography' section and a fuller bibliography. Unless there are major objections, the lengthy legal wranglings and ownership issues over the years will form a new linked article, following the example of the National_Comics_Publications_v._Fawcett_Publications article. Rationale being that it is one of the, if not the, most complicated copyright/trademark/ownership stories in the history of comics.
Any comments, views and suggestions always welcome, here or on my talk page or Talk:Marvelman. Thanks Archiveangel ( talk) 09:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
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Content contributors for NetBoy, Stafford Huyler are wanted. There are two factually accurate and verifiable news articles currently not expanded from and referenced on those pages. First is People Magazine from March 13th 1995 Vol 43 No 10 Byting the Hand. Second is The Milwaukee Journal / via the New York Times - Jan 17, 1995. Internet shows a sense of humor. This represent Webcomics historical facts and may be deemed important as NetBoy is still updated to this day. Shuywiki ( talk) 03:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
these have been read, and understood, please, lets do what needs to be done to resolve any past transgressions, what every that may be. my contributing activity is now to focused on to wiki-content that does not violated WP:COI and WP:AUTO. :) your moniker of the Emperor is greatly well deserved. :) Shuywiki ( talk) 04:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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Can someone with a modicum of knowledge about Marvel's cosmic hierarchy offer a subjective opinion re: Template: Marvel Cosmic. I don't believe the Infinity Gem entity is on par with the Living Tribunal, while DavidA insists it is. There's an image from a comic here ( [1]), but I find that to be rather grey and open to interpretation. The LT manages the entire multiverse, while the IG entity is just the stuff of one universe. Best just to leave the entity out altogether? Asgardian ( talk) 13:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Since I haven't received any further comments at the talk, here are the drafts I, resp. Asgardian wrote up. I need comments regarding which parts that are or are not acceptable. Othervise no consensus and no changes can likely be made:
I've also created a draft for a mystical entities template. Would this be an acceptable addition?
Dave ( talk) 16:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering whether anyone here would like to take a look at the Mike Brogan page. It appears to be about the comic strip writer Fred Baker (writer of Billy's Boots and Hot Shot Hamish (see Downthetubues tribute). "Mike Brogan" is said to be the pseudonym Fred used for writing a series of Action Man children's books. This is of very low interest to us over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature but it seems to me that Fred himself might make an interesting subject for an article and that might interest someone over here.-- Plad2 ( talk) 10:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
There's recently been a number of additions to 'external links' sections on GA subject sites that lead to whole issues of the comics to read. Zip Comics, Jackpot Comics, Blue Ribbon Comics and a few others I've seen, there may be others. I've not seen this kind of link before, and have simply assumed they are not permissible. In theory the links are to Public Domain/'out of copyright' material - although with the ones I've cited above, DC are now publishing some of the characters, so that may have changed. Are these links permissible in principle? As an example here's one of the sites: [ [2]] Cheers! Archiveangel ( talk) 18:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Seems Dick Giordano has sadly passed away. Worth keeping an eye out for obituaries, as there are probably going to be a few and have a look around for an image we can use for his infobox. It'll also be getting a bit more traffic so worth keeping an eye on the article generally. Emperor ( talk) 17:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Henry Scarpelli has died, [3] so I though I'd repurpose the section. Anyway the article could do with quite a bit of work so if anyone finds any obits throw them in. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC))
Someone might want to mediate at Quicksilver (comics), just FYI. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
So Boy's Ranch passed the GA assessment second time round thanks to everyone's input.
We now have a couple more up for GA which fall within our remit: An Ideal World and Bizenghast. Manhua and OEL manga may be outside the areas of expertise of many here but such articles often also need a good check on the fundamentals, so there is always something someone can do. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC))
Can anyone help me with Development of Watchmen? Only sourcing is left for it to pass! igordebraga ≠ 03:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't he edit warring over this same image previously? [5] 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 22:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Is this sufficient? 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:22, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
How about this as an reliable source. [7] Jhenderson777 ( talk) 17:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Have a look at this, dozens of single purpose accounts editing once a day in half hour bursts, none of it is malicious although the quality is... variable. There seems no single account leading the editing (or I'd ask them). Is it a school project to create and improve the article? I've seen that over on The Zombie Hunters for example but there is usually communication between the class on Wikipedia (usually through the teachers account where they coordinate things). It seems an odd target for an article if there is something odd going on. I'm just scratching my head. ( Emperor ( talk) 22:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
Brand new: Category:Mutants and Category:Mutates. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 23:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Flash (Barry Allen)#Infobox image 2010 regarding the infobox image for the article.
Additional input would be appreciated.
- J Greb ( talk) 22:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I could do with some advice.
The re-write of Marvelman is proving to be something of a beast. I've been essentially swamped with material, and while the original article, which was missing many key elements (see the talk page for a rough list) ran to 40k, currently the rewrite is now pushing 50k even though I've hived off the complex legal issues to a separate linked page (as per the National_Comics_Publications_v._Fawcett_Publications legal wrangling - the Marvelman issues are probably the most complex and far-reaching comics legal case since). The new version comprehensively covers Publication history - Fictional character history - Unpublished material - Other versions - Awards - Bibliography and creator, style, philosophy quotes as can be strongly cited (there's some 80+ footnotes/citations). My suspicion is that by end it'll be touching 60k. After 3 re-shapings and savage textual cuts, I can't see how to cut it further without removing key stuff, which will mean remodelling. Bearing in mind the characters historical 'keyness':
Graphics are a problem - there's 4 at the moment which are tilted towards Eclipse publications. Bearing in mind the four distinct publication phases, I'd suggest that the box image should be a classic Anglo period one, with one of the Eclipse images replaced by a second-phase Warrior one, and either dropping the fourth (anthology reprint) one or replacing it with the 'I'm back' one used for the Marvel revival announcement. Suggestions?
I had hoped to put a copy up on my area by now, but it's taking longer than I thought. If it would help, the working version can be slapped up tonight and I'll give the link here (it's pretty solid in most areas but has notes and unpolished bits in some sections). I'm not deadlining this, it'll get finished when it's finished (and I'm having fun doing it), but I'd prefer to publish in a good condition, rather than rough it all out later and cause others' work. Views from the void muchly welcome, the sooner the better Archiveangel ( talk) 14:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Yet again, User:Camelbinky is arguing for removing all plot summaries from all media articles unless the plot is sourced to a third-party source, not the work itself, claiming that they are "unencyclopedic" and that it is only a "vocal minority" who favor them. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Perhaps revisit this "perennial proposal" in light of new comment by Jimbo -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 03:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Since Masters of the Universe has appeared frequently appeared in comics I felt this might be the place to find help seeking sources for Masters of the Universe articles. These are the main issues. I believe
King Hiss, Kobra Khan, Rattlor should be merged into Snake Men (Masters of the Universe) due to lack of third person sources and reliant of primary sourcs
Mekaneck,
Evilseed,
Man-E-Faces,
Two-Bad and
Dragstor should be merged into
List of Masters of the Universe characters Mekaneck only has one reliable article which briefly discusses him alongside Man E Faces and Dragstor and Two Bad have no sources. If anyone can find sources which discusses these or any other major MOTU characters it would be apperaciated to discuss the merge please discuss at
Talk:List of Masters of the Universe characters and
Talk:Snake Men (Masters of the Universe)
Dwanyewest (
talk) 01:56, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I have a user edit warring over the inclusion of some seriously trivial trivia. [8] 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 04:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Spider Girl has been tagged as having copyright violating sections since June 2008 [10] (see also the note on the talk page). Is there anyone who can check the relevant Who's Who? Otherwise we will have to go on the anon IPs word and remove those sections. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC))
After the things that have occurred above .... I live with a very large collection of fanzines, comics magazines and comics news magazines from the very early days to the late 1990s, as well as pretty well very comic until the late 1990s in <ahem> one format or another. I make notes and spreadsheet refs to things I might be interested in later in (for example Comics Journal, Amazing Heroes, TCR, Previews, Comic Collector etc) as I go along. The idea is eventually to be able to easily quotify what I have within the fields I'm interested in. However, by nature it includes resources that others might find useful.
I realise many people don't have access to old interviews or news articles that may be useful citations. Should anyone think there's a plagiarism problem , or if anyone wants supporting evidence for something, or is preparing an article, a message on my talk page may be useful. If there's a resource within the comics fanzine/news/magazine world you can't pin down - like an interview you don't have but know the issue, ask. If I have it, I'll work with you. If I can find specific stuff for you to use, I'm happy.
However, please remember that I can't always bury myself in items that will take a while to sort out. Needless to say, I'll say yes if I can ... Cheers Archiveangel ( talk) 15:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
There is an editor called Rtkat3 that is editing a lot of comic book pages on Wikipedia. Half of his edits are useful, but half of his edits are deleterious. I have tried to keep an eye on him, but I'm only on here for short periods of time and I can't always keep up with all of his edits. I'm not trying to create an us versus him atmosphere for Rtkat3, but he is not responsive to comments on his talk page (as illustrated here) and it was suggested by BOZ that I post here so others can keep an eye on his edits. None of us started out as perfect editors, but some listen to advice better than others. Hopefully changes to his edits and comments to him by multiple editors will have an affect on his behavior. I think he can be a great help to our WikiProject, but he still needs guidance to get there. Thank you for your help. -- Spidey 104 contribs 19:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Robotech (comics) I feel reworking but its difficult to know where to begin because I added third person sources but I don't the dates of when the 80s comics started and finished can anyone help? Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Captain Marvel (DC Comics) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GamerPro64 ( talk • contribs) 18:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it too long? I know it went for 52 issues, but still... Duggy 1138 ( talk) 01:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
This article also has way too long and detailed plot summary. -- Spidey 104 contribs 04:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed an debate on how much information should be put on In other media sections or articles for characters. And I can see both sides of the arguement. I do understand that an plot summary might not be important but I do feel that they may have right to do so if they like. What I am questioning is as shown above is how much information is too much information for it. Should it only mention the appearance of the character in the certain tv show, video game, film, etc. with whoever played the character or can the biography of the character can also be mentioned. I have seen different articles do one or the other. An clear demonstration of what I mean is how the In other media section of Green Goblin looks like in between what the Green Goblin in other media does. Now I can understand why that works but when it comes to it being an section what is the better thing to do. Which in your opinion is the better way to do it. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 18:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
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Stumbled across this. It is mostly full of by-medium subcategories some poems and about 3 comic book titles. I'm of two minds... I guess a comic book subcategory is needed, but at the same time I'm worried by the possiblities of such a category (in any of the mediums). 203.35.82.136 ( talk) 08:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
User:NickLenz19 ( talk), who so far does not respond to dialog on his talk page, is going through dozens of pages, several each day, adding huge lists of character appearances. (See Alicia Masters), for example.)
Given that these lists may or may not be accurate, and that a single Grand Comics Database link can list character appearances via a verifiable outside database, I'm wondering if we need to have these apparently NOR|OR compilations that clutter up pages.
It's also problematic since he tends to misspell "Bibliography," doesn't use Wiki Project Comics MOS for things like volume numbers, italicizes Bibliography for no apparent reason, and basically creates more cleanup work than the information may be worth. Since he doesn't respond to dialog, what are fellow editors' thoughts on these edits? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
And the beat goes on... I've probably fixed that heading dozens of times for him, but he just doesn't seem to get it. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 22:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid this needs to be your final warning to stop adding your lists without discussion. Your actions may be considered disruptive editing, which can lead your being blocked. I ask you one final time to join the discussion at the above link. In the meantime, I will revert your questionable edits made after the above date. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
User has been temporarily blocked as a result of this discussion. Hopefully, as the blocking admin suggests, this will get their attention; if it does not, and they resume the same activity, then they can be blocked for longer. I would prefer to have him discuss with us, though. The blocking admin also suggested that we keep an eye on his talk page while he is blocked, to see if he is receptive to discussion. BOZ ( talk) 14:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys. I'm still new to most of this, but I was wondering why the "Appearances List" in the Agents of Atlas article was deleted. I mean, it was up-to-date, accurate and was helpful. I'm not going to undo the edit, but would like some information about this as not to have it repeated or misunderstood. Thanks-- Ottertron ( talk) 04:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I have blocked NickLenz again. I am still hopeful that he will come to discuss with us, although I have yet to see anything to suggest that he is interested in discussing anything with anyone. BOZ ( talk) 11:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
He has been blocked indefinitely now. It's a shame, but that's how it goes sometimes. Hopefully he will reconsider, and come to the table for a chat. BOZ ( talk) 02:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
This page makes my tummy feel not very good. 203.35.135.136 ( talk) 07:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Kees Kousemaker the founder of Lambiek has died, if sources emerge we could start the former article or expand the latter. [11] ( Emperor ( talk) 02:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC))
Peter O'Donnell of Modesty Blaise fame died last night [12] It'll be a day or so until the obits start appearing but I expect there to be quite a few. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC))
Frank Frazetta has just passed away. The article needs a photograph but, more importantly is full of citation needed notices, so keep an eye open for more resources too. It is clearly going to get a lot of traffic so keep an eye on it too. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC))
This article makes me think when do we cross the line on unsourced opinions. As I might have discussed here on this talk page. Deciding who's the archenemy of an certain fictional character is very debatable. I used to watch this page a lot but it's getting really tiresome. For it consists of a lot of time IP editors editing the article. It can get hard figuring if it's true or not. And a lot of them don't do links properly. One reason why I wanted Wildbot to fix that. But the real question what is the best way to determine who should be on there. There are so many on the tv section that I am not sure is notable enough for an rivalry. Trimming could be in order for this article but they sometimes just come back up again. I think we need an limit on what should be on there and I am not sure of what except for the ones that have sources. And we need an limit on determining what archenemy rivalries are important enough to belong on there. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 00:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
This article is nominated for deletion here. Please contribute on discussing your consensus here. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 14:23, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
This section is just a little long. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 22:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've recently cleaned up this book, but I'm not comic guru, so I don't know if my edits made 100% sense, or if the book can be considered complete.
I have alphabetized most sections, but the one on "Storylines" should IMO be sorted according to chronology. I also notice that several articles from Bibliography of Avengers titles are missing. However, I'm not entirely sure on how to incorporate them into the book. Help would be welcomed. It also seems a bit incomplete without the vilains, spinoffs, movies, location articles, ... (judging from Template:Avengers). Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Every comics related page in the Book namespace should preferably have Category:Wikipedia:Books on comics added. I've done this now for the Avengers one. Fram ( talk) 13:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I know this is a general issue, but I thought maybe I can get some help within this project. My problem is that I would like to license some comic book page scans, but only for use on WP. Unfortunately WP commons states that the license must meet the following conditions:
* Republication and distribution must be allowed. * Publication of derivative work must be allowed. * Commercial use of the work must be allowed. * The license must be perpetual (non-expiring) and non-revocable. * Acknowledgment of all authors/contributors of a work may be required. * Publication of derivative work under the same license may be required. * For digital distribution, use of open file formats free of digital restrictions management (DRM) may be required.
This in my view is something I can't ask from a comic book artist, so WP commons is not the solution to my problem, but I know that many artists would be happy to permit a comic books scan around 150 dpi. And I could arrange it for those few articles, I'm focusing on. In short: I need some kind of license between unlicensed fair use and licensed commons. Zoli79 ( talk) 10:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
This article is nominated for deletion here. Please contribute on discussing your consensus there. Spidey 104 contribs 17:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
We went over the lists dealing with comics characters appearing in media adaptations and I;ve just run across these lists and beyond not being sure who'd read such things, as the information should already be in the relevant articles (and obviously things like WP:SYNTHESIS), shouldn't all this information (if it can be be properly sourced) already be in the relevant articles?:
I've checked and there don't currently seem to be similar lists for DC Comics films (and that isn't an argument to add them!!).
Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 01:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC))
The title of this article seems to have derived solely from original research. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 00:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed on a few articles (notably the Vision (Marvel Comics) and Sentry (Marvel Comics)) that the page refers to the various names of the characters held in combination with the character anlysis. Moreso, the there are links to individual pages of the listed characters (eg. The Vision (Timely Comics)). Is this a convention to link all characters that have held the same name within a publication? If so, isn't a disambiguation a more easier method of distinguishing? It seems to me that when a person is searching for the information it is not the name they are interested in but the content (in this case the character). I also feel that, in many cases, the page can be easily be misinterpreted that the characters sharing the names have some association, which in many cases they do not. Please let me know.
This list article which is tagged as an Wikiproject Comics article is nominated for deletion. Please nominate here for consensus on this article. Thank you. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 19:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
See Template talk:Comicsproj#Requested move. – xeno talk 13:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Your input is welcome at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bande dessinée. Fram ( talk) 14:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Kind of, Stephen Perry (writer) Thundercats and Timespirits has been involved in a big news story that might have a pretty unpleasant ending. [14] Given that he already had a claim to notability I think the article is inevitable so we need to keep an eye open and make sure it is balanced. Steve Bissette has updates and a biography [15]. He isn't this Steve Perry (author) but it'd be worth keeping an eye on this in case there is confusion (as both seem to be referred to as Steve Perry). Credits ( IMDB although I suspect some of those credits are not right - the bio is off for starters and there is no Thundercats - so take care). ( Emperor ( talk) 02:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC))
Howard Post has passed away, article needs quite a lot of work. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC))
What on earth is the point of articles like Fictional history of Dick Grayson, leaving aside the fact that they are in-universe, they commit the cardinal sin of a wikipedia article in that they are misleading. They present the history of the character as a continuousness linear narrative and it's nothing of the sort. Is there nothing we can do about these terrible articles? or shall we all just look the other way? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 08:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I personally am annoyed with the sentence "Robin's debut was an effort to make Batman a lighter, more sympathetic character. DC Comics also thought a teenaged superhero would appeal to young readers, being an effective audience surrogate." I don't think that the word "teenaged" appeared in a Batman comic before the 1960's. -- Drvanthorp ( talk) 22:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
David A and TheBalance have agreed to mediation, so I have filed Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Galactus. If you feel you should be a party to this case, you may add yourself to the mediation, or I can do it for you; I believe that non-parties are not allowed to comment on active cases, so please take that into consideration as you decide. Also, please keep in mind that inactive contributors can cause a stall in the case, so if you may have trouble in continued participating then you should not add yourself. If you are added, make sure to sign the agreement – mediation cannot proceed until all parties have agreed.
If you do join the case, you may consider adding your own statement under the "Additional issues" header (please wait for David A and TheBalance to add statements first). This should be brief and discuss succinctly the issues between the two of them regarding article content, as you see it, not how you feel about the editors' conduct. For example, you would want to say "I feel the article should include X, but he removes it; I feel the article should not include X, but he restores it; I try to rewrite parts to fix them in a particular style but he reverts it", and describe, in brief, why you feel these edits are appropriate. Brevity is the key here; assuming the case is accepted, you should have ample opportunity to explain your feelings later. Remember that Mediation is about trying to resolve differences, not about proving who is right or wrong, or getting the editors in trouble. It is not about providing evidence of wrongdoing on an editor's part, because this is not an Arbitration case. The idea is not to discuss how you feel about an editor's conduct, or what kind of person they are, or focus on the negatives – this is an attempt for these editors to try to see the positives in the other person's point of view and find a middle ground.
Also, if you feel that I have included any articles in the case which should not be included, or that I failed to include any articles which should be included, please let me know as I can change that before the case begins. BOZ ( talk) 23:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
A new editor has recently made a series of changes across several character pages regarding team affiliations in superhero boxes )examples are only a few) [18], [19]. As far as I know, it's focused on X-Men characters on the same issue of "X-Men"/"not-X-Men". I believe that the policy here is that unless a character is specifically stated to be on the X-Men team at some point (rather than just a variant, like X-Force, New X-Men, or New Mutants), they shouldn't have the team affiliation listed on their superhero box. If I'm wrong, then I'll reverse my revisions.
The editor is also rearranging the same team listings for characters [20], placing them either chronologically or rearranged by the current team affiliation first. I don't know what the policy is on that, so if it's fine, then we can leave them or if there is a project policy, we'll reverse them. My suspicion is that team listings should not be listed by most recent team affiliation because of recentism. Thoughts?
I've also invited the editor to the project and also to this discussion. Hopefully he or she will show up and we can discuss the issue here and figure out what the project policy is. Thanks everyone! Luminum ( talk) 02:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
As much as a problem as the initial identifying of who does and doesn't belong in the team list is, I see the big ongoing problem being people coming along later and adding characters in the wrong place (or who don't belong at all). Construction is an issue, but long term monitoring will be needed as well. 203.35.82.133 ( talk) 02:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Following on from the discussion here I moved Silver Surfer, volume 3 to Silver Surfer (comic book) and added some details. It will need quite a bit more work though, so if anyone can fill in details go for it.
Not sure what to make of the other one I mentioned Iron Man (vol. 4) as the lead makes clear it was called The Invincible Iron Man when it started and later became Iron Man: Director of SHIELD (and later War Machine: Director of Shield), further confused by them hatnoting to The Invincible Iron Man as the series that followed it (an article that doesn't link back even though it and the previous series started with the same name). It is all a confusing mess and both articles are poor. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC))
This article, which is tagged as an Wikiproject Comics article, is nominated for deletion. Please comment here for consensus on this article. Thank you. Spidey 104 contribs 14:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
An occasional new feature for articles that might need an eye keeping on them for various reasons, although being in the news or being controversial are the main ones.
The "death" of Ryan Choi has got people looking at the issue of race in comics [21] [22] which is enough to get people worked up about it and the Choi section has been edited a few times recently to suggest he was killed because he wasn't white enough, and the editing itself has received attention [23]. So worth keeping an eye on it. Also there is a section on the talk page asking on whether there should be a section on the controversy. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC))
Agreed, unless Ryan Choi's death and reasons for it become a mainstream issue speculation on why it happened or it being part of a bigger pattern have no place on his page. The only factor I see at the moment was the mainstream coverage of the Infinite Crisis-related diversification of the DCU (I think Choi was mentioned). That may cause mainstream comment (if they ever notice). Otherwise a replacement character for a second-tier character with a long history who has returned from the dead may not be an example of anything. 203.35.135.136 ( talk) 06:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
The section has been put up for a "split" discussion on the article talk page. ( Emperor ( talk) 19:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC))
Like the Frank Frazetta problems previously there have been some claims and counter-claims involving Gene Colan [24] and it'd be an idea to keep an eye on the article as people may try reporting things without decent sources or before this issue has been clearly laid out and/or resolved. ( Emperor ( talk) 19:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC))
The article Arkham Asylum says that Zatanna was locked up in Arkham Asylum. Is that true? It sounds very unbelievable. Joe Chill ( talk) 20:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
This template is used on exactly one article at the moment ( Blade of the Phantom Master). As it appears to be a generalised version of several existing templates, it should either be merged to them or used as a new base for a master template. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
This looks to be a more limited version of {{ infobox comic book title}}. it should be merged there. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks,
A few years ago the comics boxes were standardised to use a colour scheme of blue header bars on a sky-blue background, custom widths and font sizes. At the time this wasn't such a problem because infoboxes basically did their own thing. However, now that pretty much all infoboxes use a standard, readable layout I think it's time that the comics project switched to match.
This affects most of Category:Comic book infobox templates, most prominently:
Most comics templates currently use the {{
infobox}} base class, so this is a simple matter of removing the bodystyle
attribute from the templates in question. This would make the comics infoboxes less distracting and more consistent with every other infobox on the project.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk 09:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- J Greb ( talk) 22:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
[25] - Keep an eye out for COI/biased editing. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 18:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Is this article really necessary! Seems like something Captain America in other media should already be saying. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 20:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
The same editor has just started:
Which is a really weird mash-up of characters, presumably characters that appear in the video games based on the films. All of which is dealt with perfectly well in the "other media" sections of the characters' articles. Is there no way we can make this editor stop? ( Emperor ( talk) 15:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC))
Uum. You can at least probably talk to him if you haven't already. And if he does get overboard there is warnings and blocking but that is mainly for vandalizing and he obviously ain't doing that. So I do reccomend at least talk to him about it. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 16:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
This is also suspect List of storylines adapted in the Marvel animated universe, such things should be mentioned on the relevant articles (storyline and episode/episode list). ( Emperor ( talk) 23:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC))
I don't know if this is a quacking WP:DUCK, but someone has been reintroducing the bibliographies: [26] 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
There is an comicbook inbox for Dreadnoks could someone fix the picture for it I dunno how to do it. Dwanyewest ( talk) 03:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Comic book time rant.
OK, with that out of the way, let's look at the issue that makes this one worse than the others. It includes material not in the LoEG comics but the source literature. That's completely OR as LoEG makes it clear in a couple of places that some of the stories (Alan's, The Invisible Man & Nemo's for example) are published stories in-universe and contain inaccuracies.
The introduction even talks about the OR nature of the article...
Thoughts? 203.35.135.133 ( talk) 09:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Suffering the licensed comics problem of having ever issue listed. I've tried fixing a couple (Legacy a bot reverted my initial changes so it has a bad synopsis now.) Assuming they haven't been changed, I think we should be turning Star Wars: Rebellion (comics) like articles into Star Wars: Legacy type ones. 203.35.82.133 ( talk) 23:23, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, this is a notice for this WikiProject in regards to a current category for discussion. Category:Comics article redirects is currently nominated to be deleted. Your comments are welcome, and the discussion can be found here. Thank you. — ξ xplicit 07:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I think we need to come up with a Project-wide policy about these, resume-like, laundry-listy "Bibliographies" of comics creators works, such as at Bill Sienkiewicz and Bob Almond. There's no consistency throughout the Project. If we can give a long list of Bill or Bob's credits, should we also list every comic Jack Kirby has drawn? Steve Ditko? Gene Colan? It'd be hard to justify not doing so for those giants if we do so for these estimable others.
Or, rather, following our reasoning on Bibliographies of comics characters, would it be better to give biographical highlights of their work in the prose body of the article, and include links, as we generally do, to their listings in the Grand Comics Database, the Comic Book Database, etc.? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 03:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
OK: Taking all this into account, here's a brief few paragraphs I'd like to put up for comments here, and then after a second pass put up for RfC to include it as part of WikiProject Comics MOS. User:Hiding was great at this sort of thing, and I wish he were here now. Updating our MOS as the Project evolves is a necessary thing, so I'm happy to take this on for this one thing.
(DRAFT)Comics creators' articles may include a Bibliography of their comic-book work. These may be comprehensive or selected; if selected, the rationale must be cited to a reliable source scholarly critic or author. Reviews are not considered a criterion of inclusion under "selected works."
Listings are chronological by date of the earliest issue of a publication, and all issues of that publication are contained in that title's entry. Lists are divided by publisher, chronologically from the first issue of a work under that publisher. Lengthy lists will be laid out as two-column or three-column. Very lengthy lists will be broken off as a separate article titled "[Artist name] Bibliography"
Database sources are stated at the head of list, in this format: The word Sources followed by a single footnote each to GCD, ComicBook DB, Atlas Tales, UHMCC, etc. up to six footnotes. (NOTE on this talk page: These will be spelled out and wikilinked.) In rare cases, such as a disputed credit, some items will require an additional specific footnote.
Does this encapsulate the major points of the discussion? Are there any tweaks to make? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
(DRAFT)Comics creators' articles may include a Bibliography of their comic-book work. These may be comprehensive or selected; if selected, the rationale must be cited to a reliable source scholarly critic or author. Reviews are not considered a criterion of inclusion under "selected works."
Listings are chronological by date of the earliest issue of a publication, and all relevant issues of that publication are contained in that title's entry. Database sources are stated at the head of list, in this format: The word Sources followed by a single footnote each to GCD, ComicBook DB, Atlas Tales, UHMCC, etc. up to six footnotes. In rare cases, such as a disputed credit, some items will require an additional specific footnote.
For example, adapted from Jack Kirby bibliography:
Comics
Chronological by earliest issue of a series. Alphabetical within same year.
Interior pencil art includes:
Misc. (1930s-1940s)
- Jumbo Comics #1-3 (1938) ( Fiction House)
- Famous Funnies #63, 84 (1939) ( Eastern Color)
- Mystery Men Comics #10 (1940) ( Fox Comics)
- Science Comics #4 (1940) (Fox Comics)
- Blue Bolt Comics #2-6, 8-10 (1940-1941) ( Novelty Press)
Timely Comics
- Daring Mystery Comics #6 (1940)
- Red Raven Comics #1 (1940)
- Marvel Mystery Comics #13-15, 17, 19-28 (1940-1942)
- All Winners Comics #1-2 (1941)
- Captain America Comics #1-10 (1941-1942)
DC Comics (1940s)
- World's Finest Comics #6-7, featuring " Sandman" (1942)
- Adventure Comics #72-97, 100-102, featuring "Sandman" (also co-script with Joe Simon) (1942–1946)
- Star Spangled Comics #7-30,53-56,58-59, featuring " Newsboy Legion" (1942–1946)
Misc. (1940s)
- All-New Comics #13 (1946) ( Harvey Comics)
- Stuntman #1-3 (1946) [Harvey Comics)
Atlas Comics/Marvel Comics (1950s-1960s)
- Strange Worlds #3 (1959) ( Pre-superhero Marvel)
- World of Fantasy (Pre-superhero Marvel) #16, 18 (1959)
- The Fantastic Four #1–15, Fantastic Four #16-102, 108 (1961–70)
- Journey Into Mystery, featuring " The Mighty Thor" #82-89, 93, 97-125 (1962–66)
For lengthy lists where most work in various timeframes is done for one publisher, divide list by publisher, chronologically from the first issue of a work under that publisher. Lengthy lists may be laid out as two-column or three-column. Very lengthy lists can be broken off as a separate article titled "[Artist name] Bibliography".
Quite a while ago I removed the list of foreign language translations of Asterix books. My operating assumption is that Wiki isn't an international dictionary, and that the non-English titles would be incomprehensible to 99% of this English Wiki's readers. (Also, difficult to check for accuracy.) There was no response, so I've changed Asterix and the Normans, with the intention of changing all the rest.
It's not really a big deal, actually I'm more concerned that the list may not reflect all the translated languages -- that someone has just cut-and-pasted information from a book they happen to own. (It would be nice to have the dates when the books were translated, too.)
However, also, I was a little jarred by the cover photo. It's not the original, it's been "photoshopped" by the publishing house. It's not just a matter of changing the words to English, the cover composition is altered. (In the original, the upper words have a white, not blue, background.) I don't know who ok'd the revision, but it's a fair bet it wasn't the authors. Thoughts on this? Regards, Piano non troppo ( talk) 20:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if this'll be immediately of use to anyone but the first issue is out and is free online [31]. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC))
I have nominated Roy of the Rovers for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Grondemar 00:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
What constitutes the notability for articles about comicbook arcs? For example, Character Assassination (comics) appears to be little more than a summary of an arc from Amazing Spider-Man. Does that meet the notability requirements?-- Sandor Clegane ( talk) 18:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles like Character Assassination should be merged or redirected into related articles. There is the possibility for arcs such as that to gain future notability if the information from that arc is revisited or expanded upon in the future (such as Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut!/Something Can Stop the Juggernaut). I don't think that storyline is notable enough as alone as it is, but the work to create it should not be deleted away. Merge/redirect the article so the old information can be easily resurrected, if necessary, in the future. Spidey 104 contribs 18:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Tony DiPreta has died. [33] ( Emperor ( talk) 00:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC))
Seems Al Williamson may have died. [34] It doesn't seem to be official though and I don't know where the date of June 13 is coming from. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC))
This article is nominated for deletion. Please comment here for consensus on this article. Thank you. Spidey 104 contribs 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I helped to expand Gabriel Vargas, which I also DYK notinated. Perhaps after the nomination period expires, this article can be looked at, improved and reassessed. It was difficult to work back and forth between English and Spanish to provide meaningful reliable translations. I did my best with the limited info available but don't know all the ins and outs of being a comics strip bio editor. If your project can improve this article, please do so. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 15:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
user:Homoaffectional, a non-member, just reassessed only the WP Comics C Class with nothing but edit summaries.---- moreno oso ( talk) 10:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Mandarin (comics)#Iron Man: Armored Adventures seems to need a big trim, and is growing all the time... would anyone care to have a look? 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 03:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
A noted Spanish comic strip illustrator, Juan José Carbó, is in Template:Did_you_know/Queue#Queue_6 which hits the DYK frontpage in 24 hours (7 am London time on June 18, 2010). Carbó represents the best article I have ever written. Unfortunately, there are questions about the image file used. The uploader claims to be a relative of Carbó and used a terrible license. Still, here's another DYK for the project. Enjoy. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 11:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I created the template below for the Phantom in order to organise it. But I have serious concerns many of the phantom related articles have little or no third person information to assert their notability such as Diana Palmer (The Phantom), Singh Brotherhood and Bangalla. Dwanyewest ( talk) 00:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
"The Rules of Attraction," a college professor's exhaustive site about photorealistic comic-strip artists (Neal Adams, Al Williamson, many others) has gone down permanently. However — and thanks heavens — someone was astute enough to have archived it. For those who wish to use it as research or just to read the prof's amazing work, the archive is at this link: Web.Archive.org The Rules of Attraction. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 04:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
User:Scott Free is reinserting the same sorts of edits that were unsupported by an RfC some time ago, and which eventually led to his being barred from editing John Buscema — as was I, though Scott Free's ban was extended after additional questionable behavior on his part. He is also, as before, adding POV interpretations and footnoting books/articles that do not say what he claims.
When I have edited John Buscema after he has done so, I have gone on his page to explain my edits &mdahs; which in the most recent cast he blithely reverted without discussion.
I am hoping against hope we do not have another Asgardian situation brewing, since Scott Free defended Asgardian's behavior as being OK. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I reverted IP editor 98.216.243.219's assertions that characters Battleaxe, Man-Killer, Poundcakes, Impala, and Superia were lesbians, without a source. They reverted me back without comment. Would anyone care to help me out here? 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 07:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone help me with this entry? Pruett used to have an entry until some self-appointed notability cop deleted it. I created a new page, with external and internal links and the various components that a page of this sort usually has, but I don't know if that will be enough to keep the jackals at bay. -- Drvanthorp ( talk) 23:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
The article Liz Allan has an prod for deletion for not being an notable character. I question it being nominated for deletion for that very reason because she is an major supporting character of Spider-Man (being one of the first love interests of Peter Parker and is an recurring character as well) even being in alternate versions and media adaptions of Spider-Man. The article is not great and does need some work I do agree but still she is defianetly an notable character in the Spidey universe and for comics etc. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 23:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Would be good if some of yous would help build Iron Man (film series). IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 22:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Dennis Detwiller, Mark Harrison (comic artist), Quinton Hoover, and Terese Nielsen have been nominated for AFD as part of the AFD for List of Magic: The Gathering artists.
Also, Baxter Building is at AFD as well. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
This should have been a Keep or no consensus. Someone needs to take this to deletion review. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baxter Building. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 19:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Enough sourcing was added to the article, and/or suggested at the AFD, that I think taking this one to DRV is a good idea, and I support anyone who wants to do that. BOZ ( talk) 07:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Could one of you specialists take a look at Sparky (comics)? Scroll down - scroll down some more - and some more - keep on scrolling down... -- John of Reading ( talk) 21:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Krazy Kat for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 ( talk) 03:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Just updated the article. It's far from perfect but I hope its an improvement. 202.171.164.51 ( talk) 17:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
http://thecomicsdetective.blogspot.com/2010/07/dc-vs-victor-fox-testimony-of-will.html Transcripts of this landmark case have recently become available. Eisner's testimony reads a little differently from the way he had reported it. Some pages that make reference to Eisner's testimony against Fox might be amended in deference to this new information.-- Drvanthorp ( talk) 17:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello. The above article is at FAC here, and a point has been raised about the formatting of the article's title. Could anyone shed some light on this matter? Parrot of Doom 19:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I've started a discussion on the matter here. Could everyone who sees this please offer your opinion? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 02:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Without influencing opinion, I am requesting editors come help settle a dispute at File talk:Secret avengers.jpg.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 21:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on further improving the Jean Grey page and I need some assistance with a reference. I found an interview with Kurt Busiek, who is generally credited with coming up with the contentious plot point that allowed Jean Grey to be resurrected after Shooter's ban on her revival. The interview is [41]. it seems reliable, but my only question here is that the author goes by a pen name (Elisabethf/Elisabeth@TFAW). Clearly she's real, because she also has youtube vids posted at the actual blog identifying herself and discussing comic topics ( [42]). How should I cite her for the interview? Can I use the pen name? Luminum ( talk) 08:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Hate to say it but, AfD? I think Reynolds is playing Green Lantern. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 06:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I noticed Girls with Slingshots was removed from List of self-sufficient webcomics. The removal is likely Ok because there is no independent source for the claim, only primary sources. But it prompted me to look at whether a Danielle Corsetto article meeting wikipedia's notability could be created including a brief mention of Girls with Slingshots.
Here is a short summary of possible sources from Google News. It is too borderline for me, but I mention it here in case anyone wishes to give it a go. A lot might depend on how "reliable" the wikipedia community considers Websnark to be. - 84user ( talk) 18:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I have collected some sources for a possible article on Ramon Perez ("Ramón Pérez") at User:84user/Sandbox#Kukuburi, Butternutsquash and Ramon Perez, after noticing he appears credited as artist for a graphic novel and a Star Wars comic (maybe more, I did not look further). - 84user ( talk) 20:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I kind of like it, but it runs afoul of some MOS pages. See above discussion for more detail. What do we think? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 19:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This should be discussed at the Village Pump and in broader terms. Whatever is the outcome (to use italics, or not), the style should be the same for different types of popular art, such as movies, books, TV shows, etc. MBelgrano ( talk) 01:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated the majority of Category:Lists of fictional characters by superhuman feature or ability in the above AfD discussion. As editors of a related project, your input is appreciated. -- erachima talk 06:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Of course his origin should be in there, that's not the actual discussion, the discussion is about *how* it should be written. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 12:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
A well-written (if trifle-long) section about Comic Books just got deleted (Saturday 17 July 2010) from the article on Culture of New York City for some reasons I don't consider sound [e.g. comic books are no less encyclopedic than graffiti or the New Year's Eve ball-drop] but also because the section has no referenced sources.
In fairness to the editor who deleted the section, a "references needed" tag was applied in May of 2009, so it hasn't been sourced for over a year; on the other hand, the whole article is lightly-referenced with only one or two footnotes per section.
Even though I'm neither a comic-book enthusiast nor a New Yorker, I think this section is interesting, informative and worth restoring in a slightly-tighter form with good references, perhaps as an appropriate subsection of Culture of New York City#Literature or Culture of New York City#Art. Would any members of this Wikiproject who already know how to find such references be interested in fixing this?
Please feel free to move or copy this comment to a suitable section of your Noticeboard. I just couldn't see a place that really fit this particular situation, which resembles Article Rescue but for a single section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Culture_of_New_York_City&oldid=372724554
Thanks. —— Shakescene ( talk) 04:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
After lengthy discussion here by nine editors, and no additional discussion since June 11, I'd like to propose this synthesis of the discussion as an addition to our Manual of Style.
In brief: This "Section: Comics creators' bibliography" guide is intended to address the hodgepodge of ways comic-book creators' credits are presented. A consensus discussion resulted in the decision that we include creator bibliographies. If we are to include them, we need them to be clear, comprehensive and most of all consistent.
Following is the draft of the guideline addition. Please comment as to whether to adopt this or some other form. If you vote not to adopt, please include some alternative you'd like to adopt -- the Project has decided to use bibliographies, so we need some style guideline, whether this or an alternative.
BEGIN PROPOSED ADDITION
(DRAFT)Comics creators' articles may include a Bibliography of their comic-book work. These may be comprehensive or selected; if selected, the rationale must be cited to a reliable source scholarly critic or author. Reviews are not considered a criterion of inclusion under "selected works."
Listings are chronological by date of the earliest issue of a publication, and all relevant issues of that publication are contained in that title's entry. Database sources are stated at the head of list, in this format: The word Sources followed by a single footnote each to GCD, ComicBook DB, Atlas Tales, UHMCC, etc. up to six footnotes. In rare cases, such as a disputed credit, some items will require an additional specific footnote.
For example, adapted from Jack Kirby bibliography:
Comics
Chronological by earliest issue of a series. Alphabetical within same year.
Interior pencil art includes:
Misc. (1930s-1940s)
- Jumbo Comics #1-3 (1938) ( Fiction House)
- Famous Funnies #63, 84 (1939) ( Eastern Color)
- Mystery Men Comics #10 (1940) ( Fox Comics)
- Science Comics #4 (1940) (Fox Comics)
- Blue Bolt Comics #2-6, 8-10 (1940-1941) ( Novelty Press)
Timely Comics
- Daring Mystery Comics #6 (1940)
- Red Raven Comics #1 (1940)
- Marvel Mystery Comics #13-15, 17, 19-28 (1940-1942)
- All Winners Comics #1-2 (1941)
- Captain America Comics #1-10 (1941-1942)
DC Comics (1940s)
- World's Finest Comics #6-7, featuring " Sandman" (1942)
- Adventure Comics #72-97, 100-102, featuring "Sandman" (also co-script with Joe Simon) (1942–1946)
- Star Spangled Comics #7-30,53-56,58-59, featuring " Newsboy Legion" (1942–1946)
Misc. (1940s)
- All-New Comics #13 (1946) ( Harvey Comics)
- Stuntman #1-3 (1946) [Harvey Comics)
Atlas Comics/Marvel Comics (1950s-1960s)
- Strange Worlds #3 (1959) ( Pre-superhero Marvel)
- World of Fantasy (Pre-superhero Marvel) #16, 18 (1959)
- The Fantastic Four #1–15, Fantastic Four #16-102, 108 (1961–70)
- Journey Into Mystery, featuring " The Mighty Thor" #82-89, 93, 97-125 (1962–66)
For lengthy lists where most work in various timeframes is done for one publisher, divide list by publisher, chronologically from the first issue of a work under that publisher. Lengthy lists may be laid out as two-column or three-column. Very lengthy lists can be broken off as a separate article titled "[Artist name] Bibliography".
How about something like this:
List issue-published comics by Title, Year of Publication/Years of Publication, Publisher, and relevant Issues/Chapters. Chronological by year of initial publication, then alpha cat by title. Table is designed to allow sorting by topics, allowing users to alpha-order by publisher, publication year, or title. For works where publisher changes, divide years of publication in order, list publishers in chronological order, and issues/chapters in chronological order.
Title | Year | Publisher | Issues/Chapters |
---|---|---|---|
Daring Mystery Comics | 1940 | Timely Comics | #6 |
Red Raven Comics | 1940 | Timely Comics | #1 |
Marvel Mystery Comics | 1940-1942 | Timely Comics | #13-15, 17, 19-28 |
All Winners Comics | 1941 | Timely Comics | #1-2 |
Captain America Comics | 1941-1942 | Timely Comics | #1-10 |
World's Finest Comics featuring " Sandman" | 1942 | DC Comics | #6-7 |
Adventure Comics featuring "Sandman" (also co-script with Joe Simon) | 1942-1946 | DC Comics | #72-97, 100-102 |
Star Spangled Comics featuring " Newsboy Legion" | 1942-1946 | DC Comics | #7-30,53-56,58-59 |
Man of Many Faces ([20面相におねがい!!] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Nijū Mensō ni Onegai!!, lit. 20 Faces, Please!!) | 1990-1996 | Newtype | 1-79 |
RG Veda ([聖伝-RG VEDA-] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Seiden: Rigu Vēda, lit. Sacred Journey: RG Veda) | 1990-1996 | Wings | 1-115 |
Tokyo Babylon ([東京 BABYLON] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Tōkyō Babiron) | 1990-1993 | Wings | 1-99 |
Max and Sven | 2000-2001,
2001-2002, 2003-2005 |
ZiZo,
Queer, Freshmen |
1-3,
4-9, 10-20 |
X-Men | 2006-2007 | Marvel Comics | 188-207 |
Order collected works, trades, reissues, etc. by chronologically, then alpha cat by title. List Title, Year/Years of Publication, publisher, and number of volumes. If publisher changes, follow above procedure. If reissued, add chronologically and alpha cat within year, indicating new publisher.
Title | Year | Publisher | Volumes |
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RG Veda ([聖伝-RG VEDA-] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Seiden: Rigu Vēda, lit. Sacred Journey: RG Veda) | 1993-2002 | Kodansha | 10 |
Daring Mystery Comics | 1995 | Marvel Comics | 1 |
Man of Many Faces ([20面相におねがい!!] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Nijū Mensō ni Onegai!!, lit. 20 Faces, Please!!) | 1995-1998 | Newtype | 2 |
Sandman: The Collected Works | 1998 | DC Comics | 1 |
Marvel Mystery Comics | 1998 | Marvel Comics | 3 |
Captain America Comics | 2000 | Marvel Comics | 1 |
Man of Many Faces ([20面相におねがい!!] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Nijū Mensō ni Onegai!!, lit. 20 Faces, Please!!) | 2001 | TokyoPop | 2 |
Max and Sven | 2004 | Green Candy Press | N/A |
Max & Sven | 2005 | H&O | N/A |
X-Men: Supernovas | 2008 | Marvel Comics | 1 |
This is rough, but the table was borrowed from the CLAMP list of major works. Major publisher importance for American comics can be dealt with via the self-sorting function (lists all publishers by alpha), and can do chronological listings, as well as alpha by title.
I pulled this together from American comic examples, manga examples, and a European comic I know. The numbers are arbitrary and the links are unofficial, so if something up there is incorrect, (such as number of chapters, or the listed publisher), ignore it. Luminum ( talk) 09:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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Having just rewritten Mick Anglo, strikes me that we need to revisit the Miracleman/Marvelman naming problem. I thought I'd start here instead of an official rename request to thrash out issues. It appears the page was shifted from Marvelman to Miracleman as the fan emphasis/memory is on the Miracleman version. Personal feeling, no brainer:
I'm therefore floating renaming Miracleman back to Marvelman, before a major re-write of the page to reflect the whole history, not just what's happening now (no matter how exciting) or the rewrite in 1982, which are both just part of a longer history. (also posted to the Mircleman talk page) Archiveangel ( talk) 11:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I had a quick question regarding whether or not to add Category:LGBT Superheroes to Hercules. A recent issue (Hercules: Fall of an Avenger) implies that he had a sexual relationship with Northstar. On the one hand, I'm inclined to add it. But, I also am unsure whether this constitutes overcat, since it's mentioned only in one instance. It doesn't have any large effect of the character (though one can argue that an LGBT superhero is an LGBT superhero regardless of whether or not it factors deeply in plot points). Also, even if added, does it need to be discussed in the article itself? Currently the article doesn't appear to be set up to discuss the events of individual issues (which I agree with), and adding that a bunch of superheroes gather up and talk about his sexual conquests after he dies, including Northstar is obviously out of place. Suggestions? Luminum ( talk) 21:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
You should never add a category to an article unless the article already supports that category. So information that isn't even mentioned in the article should not be categorized. postdlf ( talk) 15:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Just FYI, an editor has changed
Supermans Kypronian name from Kal-El to Kal-L (no 'E').
User:Dca5347 at 18:51, 2 April 2010.
See this
DIFF--
220.101.28.25 (
talk) 03:37, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
The Marvelman article is currently undergoing a major revision to address a number of issues raised on Talk:Marvelman; including a 'publication history' section, a 'fictional character biography' section and a fuller bibliography. Unless there are major objections, the lengthy legal wranglings and ownership issues over the years will form a new linked article, following the example of the National_Comics_Publications_v._Fawcett_Publications article. Rationale being that it is one of the, if not the, most complicated copyright/trademark/ownership stories in the history of comics.
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Can someone with a modicum of knowledge about Marvel's cosmic hierarchy offer a subjective opinion re: Template: Marvel Cosmic. I don't believe the Infinity Gem entity is on par with the Living Tribunal, while DavidA insists it is. There's an image from a comic here ( [1]), but I find that to be rather grey and open to interpretation. The LT manages the entire multiverse, while the IG entity is just the stuff of one universe. Best just to leave the entity out altogether? Asgardian ( talk) 13:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Since I haven't received any further comments at the talk, here are the drafts I, resp. Asgardian wrote up. I need comments regarding which parts that are or are not acceptable. Othervise no consensus and no changes can likely be made:
I've also created a draft for a mystical entities template. Would this be an acceptable addition?
Dave ( talk) 16:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering whether anyone here would like to take a look at the Mike Brogan page. It appears to be about the comic strip writer Fred Baker (writer of Billy's Boots and Hot Shot Hamish (see Downthetubues tribute). "Mike Brogan" is said to be the pseudonym Fred used for writing a series of Action Man children's books. This is of very low interest to us over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature but it seems to me that Fred himself might make an interesting subject for an article and that might interest someone over here.-- Plad2 ( talk) 10:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
There's recently been a number of additions to 'external links' sections on GA subject sites that lead to whole issues of the comics to read. Zip Comics, Jackpot Comics, Blue Ribbon Comics and a few others I've seen, there may be others. I've not seen this kind of link before, and have simply assumed they are not permissible. In theory the links are to Public Domain/'out of copyright' material - although with the ones I've cited above, DC are now publishing some of the characters, so that may have changed. Are these links permissible in principle? As an example here's one of the sites: [ [2]] Cheers! Archiveangel ( talk) 18:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Seems Dick Giordano has sadly passed away. Worth keeping an eye out for obituaries, as there are probably going to be a few and have a look around for an image we can use for his infobox. It'll also be getting a bit more traffic so worth keeping an eye on the article generally. Emperor ( talk) 17:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Henry Scarpelli has died, [3] so I though I'd repurpose the section. Anyway the article could do with quite a bit of work so if anyone finds any obits throw them in. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC))
Someone might want to mediate at Quicksilver (comics), just FYI. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
So Boy's Ranch passed the GA assessment second time round thanks to everyone's input.
We now have a couple more up for GA which fall within our remit: An Ideal World and Bizenghast. Manhua and OEL manga may be outside the areas of expertise of many here but such articles often also need a good check on the fundamentals, so there is always something someone can do. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC))
Can anyone help me with Development of Watchmen? Only sourcing is left for it to pass! igordebraga ≠ 03:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't he edit warring over this same image previously? [5] 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 22:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Is this sufficient? 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:22, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
How about this as an reliable source. [7] Jhenderson777 ( talk) 17:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Have a look at this, dozens of single purpose accounts editing once a day in half hour bursts, none of it is malicious although the quality is... variable. There seems no single account leading the editing (or I'd ask them). Is it a school project to create and improve the article? I've seen that over on The Zombie Hunters for example but there is usually communication between the class on Wikipedia (usually through the teachers account where they coordinate things). It seems an odd target for an article if there is something odd going on. I'm just scratching my head. ( Emperor ( talk) 22:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
Brand new: Category:Mutants and Category:Mutates. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 23:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Flash (Barry Allen)#Infobox image 2010 regarding the infobox image for the article.
Additional input would be appreciated.
- J Greb ( talk) 22:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I could do with some advice.
The re-write of Marvelman is proving to be something of a beast. I've been essentially swamped with material, and while the original article, which was missing many key elements (see the talk page for a rough list) ran to 40k, currently the rewrite is now pushing 50k even though I've hived off the complex legal issues to a separate linked page (as per the National_Comics_Publications_v._Fawcett_Publications legal wrangling - the Marvelman issues are probably the most complex and far-reaching comics legal case since). The new version comprehensively covers Publication history - Fictional character history - Unpublished material - Other versions - Awards - Bibliography and creator, style, philosophy quotes as can be strongly cited (there's some 80+ footnotes/citations). My suspicion is that by end it'll be touching 60k. After 3 re-shapings and savage textual cuts, I can't see how to cut it further without removing key stuff, which will mean remodelling. Bearing in mind the characters historical 'keyness':
Graphics are a problem - there's 4 at the moment which are tilted towards Eclipse publications. Bearing in mind the four distinct publication phases, I'd suggest that the box image should be a classic Anglo period one, with one of the Eclipse images replaced by a second-phase Warrior one, and either dropping the fourth (anthology reprint) one or replacing it with the 'I'm back' one used for the Marvel revival announcement. Suggestions?
I had hoped to put a copy up on my area by now, but it's taking longer than I thought. If it would help, the working version can be slapped up tonight and I'll give the link here (it's pretty solid in most areas but has notes and unpolished bits in some sections). I'm not deadlining this, it'll get finished when it's finished (and I'm having fun doing it), but I'd prefer to publish in a good condition, rather than rough it all out later and cause others' work. Views from the void muchly welcome, the sooner the better Archiveangel ( talk) 14:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Yet again, User:Camelbinky is arguing for removing all plot summaries from all media articles unless the plot is sourced to a third-party source, not the work itself, claiming that they are "unencyclopedic" and that it is only a "vocal minority" who favor them. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Perhaps revisit this "perennial proposal" in light of new comment by Jimbo -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 03:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Since Masters of the Universe has appeared frequently appeared in comics I felt this might be the place to find help seeking sources for Masters of the Universe articles. These are the main issues. I believe
King Hiss, Kobra Khan, Rattlor should be merged into Snake Men (Masters of the Universe) due to lack of third person sources and reliant of primary sourcs
Mekaneck,
Evilseed,
Man-E-Faces,
Two-Bad and
Dragstor should be merged into
List of Masters of the Universe characters Mekaneck only has one reliable article which briefly discusses him alongside Man E Faces and Dragstor and Two Bad have no sources. If anyone can find sources which discusses these or any other major MOTU characters it would be apperaciated to discuss the merge please discuss at
Talk:List of Masters of the Universe characters and
Talk:Snake Men (Masters of the Universe)
Dwanyewest (
talk) 01:56, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I have a user edit warring over the inclusion of some seriously trivial trivia. [8] 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 04:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Spider Girl has been tagged as having copyright violating sections since June 2008 [10] (see also the note on the talk page). Is there anyone who can check the relevant Who's Who? Otherwise we will have to go on the anon IPs word and remove those sections. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC))
After the things that have occurred above .... I live with a very large collection of fanzines, comics magazines and comics news magazines from the very early days to the late 1990s, as well as pretty well very comic until the late 1990s in <ahem> one format or another. I make notes and spreadsheet refs to things I might be interested in later in (for example Comics Journal, Amazing Heroes, TCR, Previews, Comic Collector etc) as I go along. The idea is eventually to be able to easily quotify what I have within the fields I'm interested in. However, by nature it includes resources that others might find useful.
I realise many people don't have access to old interviews or news articles that may be useful citations. Should anyone think there's a plagiarism problem , or if anyone wants supporting evidence for something, or is preparing an article, a message on my talk page may be useful. If there's a resource within the comics fanzine/news/magazine world you can't pin down - like an interview you don't have but know the issue, ask. If I have it, I'll work with you. If I can find specific stuff for you to use, I'm happy.
However, please remember that I can't always bury myself in items that will take a while to sort out. Needless to say, I'll say yes if I can ... Cheers Archiveangel ( talk) 15:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
There is an editor called Rtkat3 that is editing a lot of comic book pages on Wikipedia. Half of his edits are useful, but half of his edits are deleterious. I have tried to keep an eye on him, but I'm only on here for short periods of time and I can't always keep up with all of his edits. I'm not trying to create an us versus him atmosphere for Rtkat3, but he is not responsive to comments on his talk page (as illustrated here) and it was suggested by BOZ that I post here so others can keep an eye on his edits. None of us started out as perfect editors, but some listen to advice better than others. Hopefully changes to his edits and comments to him by multiple editors will have an affect on his behavior. I think he can be a great help to our WikiProject, but he still needs guidance to get there. Thank you for your help. -- Spidey 104 contribs 19:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Robotech (comics) I feel reworking but its difficult to know where to begin because I added third person sources but I don't the dates of when the 80s comics started and finished can anyone help? Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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Is it too long? I know it went for 52 issues, but still... Duggy 1138 ( talk) 01:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
This article also has way too long and detailed plot summary. -- Spidey 104 contribs 04:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed an debate on how much information should be put on In other media sections or articles for characters. And I can see both sides of the arguement. I do understand that an plot summary might not be important but I do feel that they may have right to do so if they like. What I am questioning is as shown above is how much information is too much information for it. Should it only mention the appearance of the character in the certain tv show, video game, film, etc. with whoever played the character or can the biography of the character can also be mentioned. I have seen different articles do one or the other. An clear demonstration of what I mean is how the In other media section of Green Goblin looks like in between what the Green Goblin in other media does. Now I can understand why that works but when it comes to it being an section what is the better thing to do. Which in your opinion is the better way to do it. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 18:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
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Stumbled across this. It is mostly full of by-medium subcategories some poems and about 3 comic book titles. I'm of two minds... I guess a comic book subcategory is needed, but at the same time I'm worried by the possiblities of such a category (in any of the mediums). 203.35.82.136 ( talk) 08:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
User:NickLenz19 ( talk), who so far does not respond to dialog on his talk page, is going through dozens of pages, several each day, adding huge lists of character appearances. (See Alicia Masters), for example.)
Given that these lists may or may not be accurate, and that a single Grand Comics Database link can list character appearances via a verifiable outside database, I'm wondering if we need to have these apparently NOR|OR compilations that clutter up pages.
It's also problematic since he tends to misspell "Bibliography," doesn't use Wiki Project Comics MOS for things like volume numbers, italicizes Bibliography for no apparent reason, and basically creates more cleanup work than the information may be worth. Since he doesn't respond to dialog, what are fellow editors' thoughts on these edits? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
And the beat goes on... I've probably fixed that heading dozens of times for him, but he just doesn't seem to get it. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 22:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid this needs to be your final warning to stop adding your lists without discussion. Your actions may be considered disruptive editing, which can lead your being blocked. I ask you one final time to join the discussion at the above link. In the meantime, I will revert your questionable edits made after the above date. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
User has been temporarily blocked as a result of this discussion. Hopefully, as the blocking admin suggests, this will get their attention; if it does not, and they resume the same activity, then they can be blocked for longer. I would prefer to have him discuss with us, though. The blocking admin also suggested that we keep an eye on his talk page while he is blocked, to see if he is receptive to discussion. BOZ ( talk) 14:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys. I'm still new to most of this, but I was wondering why the "Appearances List" in the Agents of Atlas article was deleted. I mean, it was up-to-date, accurate and was helpful. I'm not going to undo the edit, but would like some information about this as not to have it repeated or misunderstood. Thanks-- Ottertron ( talk) 04:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I have blocked NickLenz again. I am still hopeful that he will come to discuss with us, although I have yet to see anything to suggest that he is interested in discussing anything with anyone. BOZ ( talk) 11:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
He has been blocked indefinitely now. It's a shame, but that's how it goes sometimes. Hopefully he will reconsider, and come to the table for a chat. BOZ ( talk) 02:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
This page makes my tummy feel not very good. 203.35.135.136 ( talk) 07:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Kees Kousemaker the founder of Lambiek has died, if sources emerge we could start the former article or expand the latter. [11] ( Emperor ( talk) 02:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC))
Peter O'Donnell of Modesty Blaise fame died last night [12] It'll be a day or so until the obits start appearing but I expect there to be quite a few. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC))
Frank Frazetta has just passed away. The article needs a photograph but, more importantly is full of citation needed notices, so keep an eye open for more resources too. It is clearly going to get a lot of traffic so keep an eye on it too. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC))
This article makes me think when do we cross the line on unsourced opinions. As I might have discussed here on this talk page. Deciding who's the archenemy of an certain fictional character is very debatable. I used to watch this page a lot but it's getting really tiresome. For it consists of a lot of time IP editors editing the article. It can get hard figuring if it's true or not. And a lot of them don't do links properly. One reason why I wanted Wildbot to fix that. But the real question what is the best way to determine who should be on there. There are so many on the tv section that I am not sure is notable enough for an rivalry. Trimming could be in order for this article but they sometimes just come back up again. I think we need an limit on what should be on there and I am not sure of what except for the ones that have sources. And we need an limit on determining what archenemy rivalries are important enough to belong on there. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 00:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
This article is nominated for deletion here. Please contribute on discussing your consensus here. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 14:23, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
This section is just a little long. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 22:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've recently cleaned up this book, but I'm not comic guru, so I don't know if my edits made 100% sense, or if the book can be considered complete.
I have alphabetized most sections, but the one on "Storylines" should IMO be sorted according to chronology. I also notice that several articles from Bibliography of Avengers titles are missing. However, I'm not entirely sure on how to incorporate them into the book. Help would be welcomed. It also seems a bit incomplete without the vilains, spinoffs, movies, location articles, ... (judging from Template:Avengers). Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Every comics related page in the Book namespace should preferably have Category:Wikipedia:Books on comics added. I've done this now for the Avengers one. Fram ( talk) 13:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I know this is a general issue, but I thought maybe I can get some help within this project. My problem is that I would like to license some comic book page scans, but only for use on WP. Unfortunately WP commons states that the license must meet the following conditions:
* Republication and distribution must be allowed. * Publication of derivative work must be allowed. * Commercial use of the work must be allowed. * The license must be perpetual (non-expiring) and non-revocable. * Acknowledgment of all authors/contributors of a work may be required. * Publication of derivative work under the same license may be required. * For digital distribution, use of open file formats free of digital restrictions management (DRM) may be required.
This in my view is something I can't ask from a comic book artist, so WP commons is not the solution to my problem, but I know that many artists would be happy to permit a comic books scan around 150 dpi. And I could arrange it for those few articles, I'm focusing on. In short: I need some kind of license between unlicensed fair use and licensed commons. Zoli79 ( talk) 10:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
This article is nominated for deletion here. Please contribute on discussing your consensus there. Spidey 104 contribs 17:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
We went over the lists dealing with comics characters appearing in media adaptations and I;ve just run across these lists and beyond not being sure who'd read such things, as the information should already be in the relevant articles (and obviously things like WP:SYNTHESIS), shouldn't all this information (if it can be be properly sourced) already be in the relevant articles?:
I've checked and there don't currently seem to be similar lists for DC Comics films (and that isn't an argument to add them!!).
Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 01:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC))
The title of this article seems to have derived solely from original research. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 00:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed on a few articles (notably the Vision (Marvel Comics) and Sentry (Marvel Comics)) that the page refers to the various names of the characters held in combination with the character anlysis. Moreso, the there are links to individual pages of the listed characters (eg. The Vision (Timely Comics)). Is this a convention to link all characters that have held the same name within a publication? If so, isn't a disambiguation a more easier method of distinguishing? It seems to me that when a person is searching for the information it is not the name they are interested in but the content (in this case the character). I also feel that, in many cases, the page can be easily be misinterpreted that the characters sharing the names have some association, which in many cases they do not. Please let me know.
This list article which is tagged as an Wikiproject Comics article is nominated for deletion. Please nominate here for consensus on this article. Thank you. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 19:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
See Template talk:Comicsproj#Requested move. – xeno talk 13:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Your input is welcome at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bande dessinée. Fram ( talk) 14:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Kind of, Stephen Perry (writer) Thundercats and Timespirits has been involved in a big news story that might have a pretty unpleasant ending. [14] Given that he already had a claim to notability I think the article is inevitable so we need to keep an eye open and make sure it is balanced. Steve Bissette has updates and a biography [15]. He isn't this Steve Perry (author) but it'd be worth keeping an eye on this in case there is confusion (as both seem to be referred to as Steve Perry). Credits ( IMDB although I suspect some of those credits are not right - the bio is off for starters and there is no Thundercats - so take care). ( Emperor ( talk) 02:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC))
Howard Post has passed away, article needs quite a lot of work. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC))
What on earth is the point of articles like Fictional history of Dick Grayson, leaving aside the fact that they are in-universe, they commit the cardinal sin of a wikipedia article in that they are misleading. They present the history of the character as a continuousness linear narrative and it's nothing of the sort. Is there nothing we can do about these terrible articles? or shall we all just look the other way? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 08:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I personally am annoyed with the sentence "Robin's debut was an effort to make Batman a lighter, more sympathetic character. DC Comics also thought a teenaged superhero would appeal to young readers, being an effective audience surrogate." I don't think that the word "teenaged" appeared in a Batman comic before the 1960's. -- Drvanthorp ( talk) 22:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
David A and TheBalance have agreed to mediation, so I have filed Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Galactus. If you feel you should be a party to this case, you may add yourself to the mediation, or I can do it for you; I believe that non-parties are not allowed to comment on active cases, so please take that into consideration as you decide. Also, please keep in mind that inactive contributors can cause a stall in the case, so if you may have trouble in continued participating then you should not add yourself. If you are added, make sure to sign the agreement – mediation cannot proceed until all parties have agreed.
If you do join the case, you may consider adding your own statement under the "Additional issues" header (please wait for David A and TheBalance to add statements first). This should be brief and discuss succinctly the issues between the two of them regarding article content, as you see it, not how you feel about the editors' conduct. For example, you would want to say "I feel the article should include X, but he removes it; I feel the article should not include X, but he restores it; I try to rewrite parts to fix them in a particular style but he reverts it", and describe, in brief, why you feel these edits are appropriate. Brevity is the key here; assuming the case is accepted, you should have ample opportunity to explain your feelings later. Remember that Mediation is about trying to resolve differences, not about proving who is right or wrong, or getting the editors in trouble. It is not about providing evidence of wrongdoing on an editor's part, because this is not an Arbitration case. The idea is not to discuss how you feel about an editor's conduct, or what kind of person they are, or focus on the negatives – this is an attempt for these editors to try to see the positives in the other person's point of view and find a middle ground.
Also, if you feel that I have included any articles in the case which should not be included, or that I failed to include any articles which should be included, please let me know as I can change that before the case begins. BOZ ( talk) 23:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
A new editor has recently made a series of changes across several character pages regarding team affiliations in superhero boxes )examples are only a few) [18], [19]. As far as I know, it's focused on X-Men characters on the same issue of "X-Men"/"not-X-Men". I believe that the policy here is that unless a character is specifically stated to be on the X-Men team at some point (rather than just a variant, like X-Force, New X-Men, or New Mutants), they shouldn't have the team affiliation listed on their superhero box. If I'm wrong, then I'll reverse my revisions.
The editor is also rearranging the same team listings for characters [20], placing them either chronologically or rearranged by the current team affiliation first. I don't know what the policy is on that, so if it's fine, then we can leave them or if there is a project policy, we'll reverse them. My suspicion is that team listings should not be listed by most recent team affiliation because of recentism. Thoughts?
I've also invited the editor to the project and also to this discussion. Hopefully he or she will show up and we can discuss the issue here and figure out what the project policy is. Thanks everyone! Luminum ( talk) 02:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
As much as a problem as the initial identifying of who does and doesn't belong in the team list is, I see the big ongoing problem being people coming along later and adding characters in the wrong place (or who don't belong at all). Construction is an issue, but long term monitoring will be needed as well. 203.35.82.133 ( talk) 02:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Following on from the discussion here I moved Silver Surfer, volume 3 to Silver Surfer (comic book) and added some details. It will need quite a bit more work though, so if anyone can fill in details go for it.
Not sure what to make of the other one I mentioned Iron Man (vol. 4) as the lead makes clear it was called The Invincible Iron Man when it started and later became Iron Man: Director of SHIELD (and later War Machine: Director of Shield), further confused by them hatnoting to The Invincible Iron Man as the series that followed it (an article that doesn't link back even though it and the previous series started with the same name). It is all a confusing mess and both articles are poor. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC))
This article, which is tagged as an Wikiproject Comics article, is nominated for deletion. Please comment here for consensus on this article. Thank you. Spidey 104 contribs 14:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
An occasional new feature for articles that might need an eye keeping on them for various reasons, although being in the news or being controversial are the main ones.
The "death" of Ryan Choi has got people looking at the issue of race in comics [21] [22] which is enough to get people worked up about it and the Choi section has been edited a few times recently to suggest he was killed because he wasn't white enough, and the editing itself has received attention [23]. So worth keeping an eye on it. Also there is a section on the talk page asking on whether there should be a section on the controversy. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC))
Agreed, unless Ryan Choi's death and reasons for it become a mainstream issue speculation on why it happened or it being part of a bigger pattern have no place on his page. The only factor I see at the moment was the mainstream coverage of the Infinite Crisis-related diversification of the DCU (I think Choi was mentioned). That may cause mainstream comment (if they ever notice). Otherwise a replacement character for a second-tier character with a long history who has returned from the dead may not be an example of anything. 203.35.135.136 ( talk) 06:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
The section has been put up for a "split" discussion on the article talk page. ( Emperor ( talk) 19:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC))
Like the Frank Frazetta problems previously there have been some claims and counter-claims involving Gene Colan [24] and it'd be an idea to keep an eye on the article as people may try reporting things without decent sources or before this issue has been clearly laid out and/or resolved. ( Emperor ( talk) 19:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC))
The article Arkham Asylum says that Zatanna was locked up in Arkham Asylum. Is that true? It sounds very unbelievable. Joe Chill ( talk) 20:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
This template is used on exactly one article at the moment ( Blade of the Phantom Master). As it appears to be a generalised version of several existing templates, it should either be merged to them or used as a new base for a master template. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
This looks to be a more limited version of {{ infobox comic book title}}. it should be merged there. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks,
A few years ago the comics boxes were standardised to use a colour scheme of blue header bars on a sky-blue background, custom widths and font sizes. At the time this wasn't such a problem because infoboxes basically did their own thing. However, now that pretty much all infoboxes use a standard, readable layout I think it's time that the comics project switched to match.
This affects most of Category:Comic book infobox templates, most prominently:
Most comics templates currently use the {{
infobox}} base class, so this is a simple matter of removing the bodystyle
attribute from the templates in question. This would make the comics infoboxes less distracting and more consistent with every other infobox on the project.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk 09:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- J Greb ( talk) 22:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
[25] - Keep an eye out for COI/biased editing. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 18:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Is this article really necessary! Seems like something Captain America in other media should already be saying. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 20:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
The same editor has just started:
Which is a really weird mash-up of characters, presumably characters that appear in the video games based on the films. All of which is dealt with perfectly well in the "other media" sections of the characters' articles. Is there no way we can make this editor stop? ( Emperor ( talk) 15:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC))
Uum. You can at least probably talk to him if you haven't already. And if he does get overboard there is warnings and blocking but that is mainly for vandalizing and he obviously ain't doing that. So I do reccomend at least talk to him about it. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 16:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
This is also suspect List of storylines adapted in the Marvel animated universe, such things should be mentioned on the relevant articles (storyline and episode/episode list). ( Emperor ( talk) 23:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC))
I don't know if this is a quacking WP:DUCK, but someone has been reintroducing the bibliographies: [26] 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
There is an comicbook inbox for Dreadnoks could someone fix the picture for it I dunno how to do it. Dwanyewest ( talk) 03:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Comic book time rant.
OK, with that out of the way, let's look at the issue that makes this one worse than the others. It includes material not in the LoEG comics but the source literature. That's completely OR as LoEG makes it clear in a couple of places that some of the stories (Alan's, The Invisible Man & Nemo's for example) are published stories in-universe and contain inaccuracies.
The introduction even talks about the OR nature of the article...
Thoughts? 203.35.135.133 ( talk) 09:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Suffering the licensed comics problem of having ever issue listed. I've tried fixing a couple (Legacy a bot reverted my initial changes so it has a bad synopsis now.) Assuming they haven't been changed, I think we should be turning Star Wars: Rebellion (comics) like articles into Star Wars: Legacy type ones. 203.35.82.133 ( talk) 23:23, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, this is a notice for this WikiProject in regards to a current category for discussion. Category:Comics article redirects is currently nominated to be deleted. Your comments are welcome, and the discussion can be found here. Thank you. — ξ xplicit 07:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I think we need to come up with a Project-wide policy about these, resume-like, laundry-listy "Bibliographies" of comics creators works, such as at Bill Sienkiewicz and Bob Almond. There's no consistency throughout the Project. If we can give a long list of Bill or Bob's credits, should we also list every comic Jack Kirby has drawn? Steve Ditko? Gene Colan? It'd be hard to justify not doing so for those giants if we do so for these estimable others.
Or, rather, following our reasoning on Bibliographies of comics characters, would it be better to give biographical highlights of their work in the prose body of the article, and include links, as we generally do, to their listings in the Grand Comics Database, the Comic Book Database, etc.? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 03:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
OK: Taking all this into account, here's a brief few paragraphs I'd like to put up for comments here, and then after a second pass put up for RfC to include it as part of WikiProject Comics MOS. User:Hiding was great at this sort of thing, and I wish he were here now. Updating our MOS as the Project evolves is a necessary thing, so I'm happy to take this on for this one thing.
(DRAFT)Comics creators' articles may include a Bibliography of their comic-book work. These may be comprehensive or selected; if selected, the rationale must be cited to a reliable source scholarly critic or author. Reviews are not considered a criterion of inclusion under "selected works."
Listings are chronological by date of the earliest issue of a publication, and all issues of that publication are contained in that title's entry. Lists are divided by publisher, chronologically from the first issue of a work under that publisher. Lengthy lists will be laid out as two-column or three-column. Very lengthy lists will be broken off as a separate article titled "[Artist name] Bibliography"
Database sources are stated at the head of list, in this format: The word Sources followed by a single footnote each to GCD, ComicBook DB, Atlas Tales, UHMCC, etc. up to six footnotes. (NOTE on this talk page: These will be spelled out and wikilinked.) In rare cases, such as a disputed credit, some items will require an additional specific footnote.
Does this encapsulate the major points of the discussion? Are there any tweaks to make? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
(DRAFT)Comics creators' articles may include a Bibliography of their comic-book work. These may be comprehensive or selected; if selected, the rationale must be cited to a reliable source scholarly critic or author. Reviews are not considered a criterion of inclusion under "selected works."
Listings are chronological by date of the earliest issue of a publication, and all relevant issues of that publication are contained in that title's entry. Database sources are stated at the head of list, in this format: The word Sources followed by a single footnote each to GCD, ComicBook DB, Atlas Tales, UHMCC, etc. up to six footnotes. In rare cases, such as a disputed credit, some items will require an additional specific footnote.
For example, adapted from Jack Kirby bibliography:
Comics
Chronological by earliest issue of a series. Alphabetical within same year.
Interior pencil art includes:
Misc. (1930s-1940s)
- Jumbo Comics #1-3 (1938) ( Fiction House)
- Famous Funnies #63, 84 (1939) ( Eastern Color)
- Mystery Men Comics #10 (1940) ( Fox Comics)
- Science Comics #4 (1940) (Fox Comics)
- Blue Bolt Comics #2-6, 8-10 (1940-1941) ( Novelty Press)
Timely Comics
- Daring Mystery Comics #6 (1940)
- Red Raven Comics #1 (1940)
- Marvel Mystery Comics #13-15, 17, 19-28 (1940-1942)
- All Winners Comics #1-2 (1941)
- Captain America Comics #1-10 (1941-1942)
DC Comics (1940s)
- World's Finest Comics #6-7, featuring " Sandman" (1942)
- Adventure Comics #72-97, 100-102, featuring "Sandman" (also co-script with Joe Simon) (1942–1946)
- Star Spangled Comics #7-30,53-56,58-59, featuring " Newsboy Legion" (1942–1946)
Misc. (1940s)
- All-New Comics #13 (1946) ( Harvey Comics)
- Stuntman #1-3 (1946) [Harvey Comics)
Atlas Comics/Marvel Comics (1950s-1960s)
- Strange Worlds #3 (1959) ( Pre-superhero Marvel)
- World of Fantasy (Pre-superhero Marvel) #16, 18 (1959)
- The Fantastic Four #1–15, Fantastic Four #16-102, 108 (1961–70)
- Journey Into Mystery, featuring " The Mighty Thor" #82-89, 93, 97-125 (1962–66)
For lengthy lists where most work in various timeframes is done for one publisher, divide list by publisher, chronologically from the first issue of a work under that publisher. Lengthy lists may be laid out as two-column or three-column. Very lengthy lists can be broken off as a separate article titled "[Artist name] Bibliography".
Quite a while ago I removed the list of foreign language translations of Asterix books. My operating assumption is that Wiki isn't an international dictionary, and that the non-English titles would be incomprehensible to 99% of this English Wiki's readers. (Also, difficult to check for accuracy.) There was no response, so I've changed Asterix and the Normans, with the intention of changing all the rest.
It's not really a big deal, actually I'm more concerned that the list may not reflect all the translated languages -- that someone has just cut-and-pasted information from a book they happen to own. (It would be nice to have the dates when the books were translated, too.)
However, also, I was a little jarred by the cover photo. It's not the original, it's been "photoshopped" by the publishing house. It's not just a matter of changing the words to English, the cover composition is altered. (In the original, the upper words have a white, not blue, background.) I don't know who ok'd the revision, but it's a fair bet it wasn't the authors. Thoughts on this? Regards, Piano non troppo ( talk) 20:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if this'll be immediately of use to anyone but the first issue is out and is free online [31]. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC))
I have nominated Roy of the Rovers for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Grondemar 00:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
What constitutes the notability for articles about comicbook arcs? For example, Character Assassination (comics) appears to be little more than a summary of an arc from Amazing Spider-Man. Does that meet the notability requirements?-- Sandor Clegane ( talk) 18:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles like Character Assassination should be merged or redirected into related articles. There is the possibility for arcs such as that to gain future notability if the information from that arc is revisited or expanded upon in the future (such as Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut!/Something Can Stop the Juggernaut). I don't think that storyline is notable enough as alone as it is, but the work to create it should not be deleted away. Merge/redirect the article so the old information can be easily resurrected, if necessary, in the future. Spidey 104 contribs 18:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Tony DiPreta has died. [33] ( Emperor ( talk) 00:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC))
Seems Al Williamson may have died. [34] It doesn't seem to be official though and I don't know where the date of June 13 is coming from. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC))
This article is nominated for deletion. Please comment here for consensus on this article. Thank you. Spidey 104 contribs 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I helped to expand Gabriel Vargas, which I also DYK notinated. Perhaps after the nomination period expires, this article can be looked at, improved and reassessed. It was difficult to work back and forth between English and Spanish to provide meaningful reliable translations. I did my best with the limited info available but don't know all the ins and outs of being a comics strip bio editor. If your project can improve this article, please do so. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 15:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
user:Homoaffectional, a non-member, just reassessed only the WP Comics C Class with nothing but edit summaries.---- moreno oso ( talk) 10:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Mandarin (comics)#Iron Man: Armored Adventures seems to need a big trim, and is growing all the time... would anyone care to have a look? 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 03:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
A noted Spanish comic strip illustrator, Juan José Carbó, is in Template:Did_you_know/Queue#Queue_6 which hits the DYK frontpage in 24 hours (7 am London time on June 18, 2010). Carbó represents the best article I have ever written. Unfortunately, there are questions about the image file used. The uploader claims to be a relative of Carbó and used a terrible license. Still, here's another DYK for the project. Enjoy. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 11:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I created the template below for the Phantom in order to organise it. But I have serious concerns many of the phantom related articles have little or no third person information to assert their notability such as Diana Palmer (The Phantom), Singh Brotherhood and Bangalla. Dwanyewest ( talk) 00:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
"The Rules of Attraction," a college professor's exhaustive site about photorealistic comic-strip artists (Neal Adams, Al Williamson, many others) has gone down permanently. However — and thanks heavens — someone was astute enough to have archived it. For those who wish to use it as research or just to read the prof's amazing work, the archive is at this link: Web.Archive.org The Rules of Attraction. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 04:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
User:Scott Free is reinserting the same sorts of edits that were unsupported by an RfC some time ago, and which eventually led to his being barred from editing John Buscema — as was I, though Scott Free's ban was extended after additional questionable behavior on his part. He is also, as before, adding POV interpretations and footnoting books/articles that do not say what he claims.
When I have edited John Buscema after he has done so, I have gone on his page to explain my edits &mdahs; which in the most recent cast he blithely reverted without discussion.
I am hoping against hope we do not have another Asgardian situation brewing, since Scott Free defended Asgardian's behavior as being OK. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I reverted IP editor 98.216.243.219's assertions that characters Battleaxe, Man-Killer, Poundcakes, Impala, and Superia were lesbians, without a source. They reverted me back without comment. Would anyone care to help me out here? 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 07:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone help me with this entry? Pruett used to have an entry until some self-appointed notability cop deleted it. I created a new page, with external and internal links and the various components that a page of this sort usually has, but I don't know if that will be enough to keep the jackals at bay. -- Drvanthorp ( talk) 23:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
The article Liz Allan has an prod for deletion for not being an notable character. I question it being nominated for deletion for that very reason because she is an major supporting character of Spider-Man (being one of the first love interests of Peter Parker and is an recurring character as well) even being in alternate versions and media adaptions of Spider-Man. The article is not great and does need some work I do agree but still she is defianetly an notable character in the Spidey universe and for comics etc. Jhenderson777 ( talk) 23:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Would be good if some of yous would help build Iron Man (film series). IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 22:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Dennis Detwiller, Mark Harrison (comic artist), Quinton Hoover, and Terese Nielsen have been nominated for AFD as part of the AFD for List of Magic: The Gathering artists.
Also, Baxter Building is at AFD as well. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
This should have been a Keep or no consensus. Someone needs to take this to deletion review. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baxter Building. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 19:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Enough sourcing was added to the article, and/or suggested at the AFD, that I think taking this one to DRV is a good idea, and I support anyone who wants to do that. BOZ ( talk) 07:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Could one of you specialists take a look at Sparky (comics)? Scroll down - scroll down some more - and some more - keep on scrolling down... -- John of Reading ( talk) 21:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Krazy Kat for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 ( talk) 03:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Just updated the article. It's far from perfect but I hope its an improvement. 202.171.164.51 ( talk) 17:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
http://thecomicsdetective.blogspot.com/2010/07/dc-vs-victor-fox-testimony-of-will.html Transcripts of this landmark case have recently become available. Eisner's testimony reads a little differently from the way he had reported it. Some pages that make reference to Eisner's testimony against Fox might be amended in deference to this new information.-- Drvanthorp ( talk) 17:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello. The above article is at FAC here, and a point has been raised about the formatting of the article's title. Could anyone shed some light on this matter? Parrot of Doom 19:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I've started a discussion on the matter here. Could everyone who sees this please offer your opinion? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 02:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Without influencing opinion, I am requesting editors come help settle a dispute at File talk:Secret avengers.jpg.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 21:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on further improving the Jean Grey page and I need some assistance with a reference. I found an interview with Kurt Busiek, who is generally credited with coming up with the contentious plot point that allowed Jean Grey to be resurrected after Shooter's ban on her revival. The interview is [41]. it seems reliable, but my only question here is that the author goes by a pen name (Elisabethf/Elisabeth@TFAW). Clearly she's real, because she also has youtube vids posted at the actual blog identifying herself and discussing comic topics ( [42]). How should I cite her for the interview? Can I use the pen name? Luminum ( talk) 08:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Hate to say it but, AfD? I think Reynolds is playing Green Lantern. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 06:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I noticed Girls with Slingshots was removed from List of self-sufficient webcomics. The removal is likely Ok because there is no independent source for the claim, only primary sources. But it prompted me to look at whether a Danielle Corsetto article meeting wikipedia's notability could be created including a brief mention of Girls with Slingshots.
Here is a short summary of possible sources from Google News. It is too borderline for me, but I mention it here in case anyone wishes to give it a go. A lot might depend on how "reliable" the wikipedia community considers Websnark to be. - 84user ( talk) 18:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I have collected some sources for a possible article on Ramon Perez ("Ramón Pérez") at User:84user/Sandbox#Kukuburi, Butternutsquash and Ramon Perez, after noticing he appears credited as artist for a graphic novel and a Star Wars comic (maybe more, I did not look further). - 84user ( talk) 20:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I kind of like it, but it runs afoul of some MOS pages. See above discussion for more detail. What do we think? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 19:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This should be discussed at the Village Pump and in broader terms. Whatever is the outcome (to use italics, or not), the style should be the same for different types of popular art, such as movies, books, TV shows, etc. MBelgrano ( talk) 01:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated the majority of Category:Lists of fictional characters by superhuman feature or ability in the above AfD discussion. As editors of a related project, your input is appreciated. -- erachima talk 06:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Of course his origin should be in there, that's not the actual discussion, the discussion is about *how* it should be written. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 12:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
A well-written (if trifle-long) section about Comic Books just got deleted (Saturday 17 July 2010) from the article on Culture of New York City for some reasons I don't consider sound [e.g. comic books are no less encyclopedic than graffiti or the New Year's Eve ball-drop] but also because the section has no referenced sources.
In fairness to the editor who deleted the section, a "references needed" tag was applied in May of 2009, so it hasn't been sourced for over a year; on the other hand, the whole article is lightly-referenced with only one or two footnotes per section.
Even though I'm neither a comic-book enthusiast nor a New Yorker, I think this section is interesting, informative and worth restoring in a slightly-tighter form with good references, perhaps as an appropriate subsection of Culture of New York City#Literature or Culture of New York City#Art. Would any members of this Wikiproject who already know how to find such references be interested in fixing this?
Please feel free to move or copy this comment to a suitable section of your Noticeboard. I just couldn't see a place that really fit this particular situation, which resembles Article Rescue but for a single section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Culture_of_New_York_City&oldid=372724554
Thanks. —— Shakescene ( talk) 04:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
After lengthy discussion here by nine editors, and no additional discussion since June 11, I'd like to propose this synthesis of the discussion as an addition to our Manual of Style.
In brief: This "Section: Comics creators' bibliography" guide is intended to address the hodgepodge of ways comic-book creators' credits are presented. A consensus discussion resulted in the decision that we include creator bibliographies. If we are to include them, we need them to be clear, comprehensive and most of all consistent.
Following is the draft of the guideline addition. Please comment as to whether to adopt this or some other form. If you vote not to adopt, please include some alternative you'd like to adopt -- the Project has decided to use bibliographies, so we need some style guideline, whether this or an alternative.
BEGIN PROPOSED ADDITION
(DRAFT)Comics creators' articles may include a Bibliography of their comic-book work. These may be comprehensive or selected; if selected, the rationale must be cited to a reliable source scholarly critic or author. Reviews are not considered a criterion of inclusion under "selected works."
Listings are chronological by date of the earliest issue of a publication, and all relevant issues of that publication are contained in that title's entry. Database sources are stated at the head of list, in this format: The word Sources followed by a single footnote each to GCD, ComicBook DB, Atlas Tales, UHMCC, etc. up to six footnotes. In rare cases, such as a disputed credit, some items will require an additional specific footnote.
For example, adapted from Jack Kirby bibliography:
Comics
Chronological by earliest issue of a series. Alphabetical within same year.
Interior pencil art includes:
Misc. (1930s-1940s)
- Jumbo Comics #1-3 (1938) ( Fiction House)
- Famous Funnies #63, 84 (1939) ( Eastern Color)
- Mystery Men Comics #10 (1940) ( Fox Comics)
- Science Comics #4 (1940) (Fox Comics)
- Blue Bolt Comics #2-6, 8-10 (1940-1941) ( Novelty Press)
Timely Comics
- Daring Mystery Comics #6 (1940)
- Red Raven Comics #1 (1940)
- Marvel Mystery Comics #13-15, 17, 19-28 (1940-1942)
- All Winners Comics #1-2 (1941)
- Captain America Comics #1-10 (1941-1942)
DC Comics (1940s)
- World's Finest Comics #6-7, featuring " Sandman" (1942)
- Adventure Comics #72-97, 100-102, featuring "Sandman" (also co-script with Joe Simon) (1942–1946)
- Star Spangled Comics #7-30,53-56,58-59, featuring " Newsboy Legion" (1942–1946)
Misc. (1940s)
- All-New Comics #13 (1946) ( Harvey Comics)
- Stuntman #1-3 (1946) [Harvey Comics)
Atlas Comics/Marvel Comics (1950s-1960s)
- Strange Worlds #3 (1959) ( Pre-superhero Marvel)
- World of Fantasy (Pre-superhero Marvel) #16, 18 (1959)
- The Fantastic Four #1–15, Fantastic Four #16-102, 108 (1961–70)
- Journey Into Mystery, featuring " The Mighty Thor" #82-89, 93, 97-125 (1962–66)
For lengthy lists where most work in various timeframes is done for one publisher, divide list by publisher, chronologically from the first issue of a work under that publisher. Lengthy lists may be laid out as two-column or three-column. Very lengthy lists can be broken off as a separate article titled "[Artist name] Bibliography".
How about something like this:
List issue-published comics by Title, Year of Publication/Years of Publication, Publisher, and relevant Issues/Chapters. Chronological by year of initial publication, then alpha cat by title. Table is designed to allow sorting by topics, allowing users to alpha-order by publisher, publication year, or title. For works where publisher changes, divide years of publication in order, list publishers in chronological order, and issues/chapters in chronological order.
Title | Year | Publisher | Issues/Chapters |
---|---|---|---|
Daring Mystery Comics | 1940 | Timely Comics | #6 |
Red Raven Comics | 1940 | Timely Comics | #1 |
Marvel Mystery Comics | 1940-1942 | Timely Comics | #13-15, 17, 19-28 |
All Winners Comics | 1941 | Timely Comics | #1-2 |
Captain America Comics | 1941-1942 | Timely Comics | #1-10 |
World's Finest Comics featuring " Sandman" | 1942 | DC Comics | #6-7 |
Adventure Comics featuring "Sandman" (also co-script with Joe Simon) | 1942-1946 | DC Comics | #72-97, 100-102 |
Star Spangled Comics featuring " Newsboy Legion" | 1942-1946 | DC Comics | #7-30,53-56,58-59 |
Man of Many Faces ([20面相におねがい!!] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Nijū Mensō ni Onegai!!, lit. 20 Faces, Please!!) | 1990-1996 | Newtype | 1-79 |
RG Veda ([聖伝-RG VEDA-] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Seiden: Rigu Vēda, lit. Sacred Journey: RG Veda) | 1990-1996 | Wings | 1-115 |
Tokyo Babylon ([東京 BABYLON] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Tōkyō Babiron) | 1990-1993 | Wings | 1-99 |
Max and Sven | 2000-2001,
2001-2002, 2003-2005 |
ZiZo,
Queer, Freshmen |
1-3,
4-9, 10-20 |
X-Men | 2006-2007 | Marvel Comics | 188-207 |
Order collected works, trades, reissues, etc. by chronologically, then alpha cat by title. List Title, Year/Years of Publication, publisher, and number of volumes. If publisher changes, follow above procedure. If reissued, add chronologically and alpha cat within year, indicating new publisher.
Title | Year | Publisher | Volumes |
---|---|---|---|
RG Veda ([聖伝-RG VEDA-] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Seiden: Rigu Vēda, lit. Sacred Journey: RG Veda) | 1993-2002 | Kodansha | 10 |
Daring Mystery Comics | 1995 | Marvel Comics | 1 |
Man of Many Faces ([20面相におねがい!!] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Nijū Mensō ni Onegai!!, lit. 20 Faces, Please!!) | 1995-1998 | Newtype | 2 |
Sandman: The Collected Works | 1998 | DC Comics | 1 |
Marvel Mystery Comics | 1998 | Marvel Comics | 3 |
Captain America Comics | 2000 | Marvel Comics | 1 |
Man of Many Faces ([20面相におねがい!!] Error: {{nihongo}}: text has italic markup ( help), Nijū Mensō ni Onegai!!, lit. 20 Faces, Please!!) | 2001 | TokyoPop | 2 |
Max and Sven | 2004 | Green Candy Press | N/A |
Max & Sven | 2005 | H&O | N/A |
X-Men: Supernovas | 2008 | Marvel Comics | 1 |
This is rough, but the table was borrowed from the CLAMP list of major works. Major publisher importance for American comics can be dealt with via the self-sorting function (lists all publishers by alpha), and can do chronological listings, as well as alpha by title.
I pulled this together from American comic examples, manga examples, and a European comic I know. The numbers are arbitrary and the links are unofficial, so if something up there is incorrect, (such as number of chapters, or the listed publisher), ignore it. Luminum ( talk) 09:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)