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Al Williamson is an article that I roughly threw together that's been through a peer review. There's a 'To do' list on the talk page. Eventually I want to take it to a GA review. But not right now. I don't have time to work on it, so if anyone wants to pimp it up, you are cordially invited to do so. It's a fairly sizeable article, with extensive references, so I think it's got favorable GA potential. And there's a new book out on him, so it's timely. -- Scott Free ( talk) 01:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Silver Surfer has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Tom B ( talk) 19:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
A new list has been created: American comic book industry timeline. Should this be merged with the List of years in comics? -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Al Williamson has been nominated for GA! BOZ ( talk) 23:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have two navbox related proposals:
All feedback is appreciated. - Sharp962 ( talk) 18:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC).
The article Al Capp was previously not tagged for the comics project. I have temporarily tagged it as C -Mid, but people may have a look at it because it looks to be a fairly well developed article (long, decent number of references) that may be a realistic target for B and perhaps GA class in the near future (after a cursory glance at least). Fram ( talk) 08:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see [1]. Hobit ( talk) 20:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Some project attention at Characters of The Adventures of Tintin would be helpful, as there has been some issues with disruption and edit warring of late. User:Mezigue has made a massive effort in helping to get the list to a better point for sourcing, removing a ton of excessive plot summary and WP:OR, particularly the overly detailed information on minor characters. [2] However eleven days later, an editor reverted and disagreed calling it excessive. [3] There is now a slow edit war over the issue. Additional views at Talk:Characters of The Adventures of Tintin#Recent edits would be very useful to achieve consensus on either supporting the clean up of the article, or allowing it to remain in its previous state. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 18:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I've just tried to go, and www.comics.org takes you to a GoDaddy placeholder at [4]. What's happened? More importantly, what will happen to all those important footnoted links in countless comics articles? -- 207.237.223.118 ( talk) 19:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
[5] Opinions? Too many, not enough, or just right? 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey there. :) In my previous thread, I noted that I was going to be creating a noticeboard to store all the unsucessful GANs and FACs and all the peer reviews I've been requesting, so that we could have a centralized place for people who are looking for something to do.
Well, I did create the Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Improvements noticeboard a month ago to do just that! :) Feel free to poke around there.
I just nominated From Hell and Bob Kane for peer review, as I've been going through the old threads and pulling up anything that seemed to have generated some interest. If you have something you think could be GA or better, just mention it here and I'll be your advocate for peer review - or nominate it yourself, or let me know about any reviews which I have missed. :)
This can include not only B- and C-class articles which can be brought up to GA, but also GAs that we could get to FA with some effort. :) If I get no input, I'll just keep running along like I have been until I run out of ideas. ;) BOZ ( talk) 02:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Might as well go for the big dog and nominate Comics next! BOZ ( talk) 15:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a FYI - Luminum got Anole passed as a GA. :) BOZ ( talk) 16:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to note that I have nominated DC Comics for peer review now. Next target, of course, is Marvel. :)
I have requested a peer review for Graphic novel, which was delisted as a GA a few months ago. BOZ ( talk) 15:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
An anon has been consistently re-adding unsourced movie rights info to Cloak and Dagger. Several editors have reverted the information requesting that the information be referenced if it is to be added again, but clearly it's not happening (mostly because I doubt there's any source besides the IMDB forum speculation). To avoid an edit war, can we semi-protect the page? Luminum ( talk) 22:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey I'm fairly new to this and have a question. With a character like Wolverine who has three on-going series, or say Deadpool now, should those series have a separate page from the character? I think so but I don't know if there is a rule already.-- Lotsofinterviews ( talk) 14:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
That's a good question - remember that any such article should not simply be plot summary. --
Cameron Scott (
talk) 14:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I was reading some old graphic novels recently, and had a thought regarding the use of source material to describe fictional events and powers, etc. It seems to me that even in comics there are things established in continuity (but not often referenced or remembered) (i.e. Professor X's love of Jean Grey), things tent-poled in continuity, (i.e. Superman is from Krypton) and some that will be brushed over and forgotten (i.e. gun-totting 1940's Batman). My suggestion is for some fictional referencing from source material we had multiple sources. This would at the least help to trim down drawn out character bio's and powers sections referencing fleeting panels from 1982, pointing to established plot points and details. There is much contention even in our sub-wiki-community about fictional material, but his seems to be an idea we might be able to build from for this specific medium. - Sharp962 ( talk) 17:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC).
Or we could use reliable secondary sources and if they don't mention something then it's of no interest to us? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 18:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Things like Batman's early use of firearms are exactly the type of thing that get written about in books, which is why we ought to use more books as sources instead of just recent blog posts. Sharksaredangerous ( talk) 20:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I removed a bit of trivia and got a personal attack. Anyone want to help me keep an eye on that article? 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 01:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I started an Improvements page a couple months ago, and have accumulated a significant amount of feedback. The question is, what would we like to do with it? Link to it from somewhere on the WikiProject, or just let it sit and hope people notice it? ;) Is it a good idea in the first place? BOZ ( talk) 12:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) it's a good start! It seems a bit bulky at first, but if we merge the current talk page header into it, that might help? Maybe instead of/in addition to the Deletion tab, we could have the Article Alerts there? BOZ ( talk) 02:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Fritz the Cat is being reviewed as a current FAC. ( Ibaranoff24 ( talk) 16:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC))
Wikipedia:Notability (published works) is a proposed merger of various notability guidelines which will affect this project, even though none of the other guidelines did. People might want to have a look and see how it will affect us and speak up. Hiding T 19:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I just created this stub today dealing with this character. She's one of the main supporting characters in the current Jonah Hex ongoing series. Sadly, its been nominated for deletion already. I'm mystified about it as other characters that are a lot less notable have their own articles. I don't understand why a supporting character of a major comic book character, published by a major comic book company shouldn't have a simple stub. Stephen Day ( talk) 22:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Khan Noonien Singh, a fictional character, is today's featured article. Yes, it has a plot summary; in fact, it takes up about 1/3 of the article, and in fact, much of it is in-universe text (set up by out-of-universe text though, of course). What it also has is a "design and analysis" section, and a "reception and legacy" section. So, again, I can only take this as a sign that plot summaries, even containing a fair amount of in-universe text, are not the enemy. In fact, they can help make a nice healthy, well-rounded article, as I have always believed. The key is, to make sure articles about fictional characters feature the all-too-important, well-sourced sections detailing the character's design, development, reception, etc. from an entirely out-of-universe perspective. Khaaaaan!!!!!! BOZ ( talk) 00:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
This user was running amok, adding the "Marvel superhero" category to a bunch of articles to which it does not apply. I reverted most of these additions, but keep an eye out. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 22:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
1. List of limited series 203.35.135.136 ( talk) 02:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I've recently become aware of the articles toolserver and am putting in a submission for this project; this will generate a list of the most frequently viewed articles tagged for this project. Hopefully the data provided by this list will be of benefit. Hiding T 09:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Something to consider: Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages containing an unusually high number of non-free files. Articles about many publications and characters require fair use images, but if it appears on this list there's probably too many. WesleyDodds ( talk) 10:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
A good rule of thumb to go by is that any fair use image must be discussed in the prose. With images simply meant to depict a character, that's easy. However, this doesn't mean you can just throw in issue covers if the issue is mentioned. For comparison see WP:ALBUMS. Album covers do not appear willy-nilly in musician articles or discogrpahy pages because you can talk about the album without the aid of an image of the cover. The cover adds nothing to the reader's understanding and usually there is nothing to warrant fair use of said image. So if I write that Green Lantern first appeared in All-American Comics issue sixteen, that is not a sufficient rationale to include the cover in an article. A sufficient rationale would be talking about something on the cover itself, like "Historian John Doe describes the artwork on the cover of All-American Comics issue sixteen as representative of something-something". But keep in mind those sorts of instances are rare. By and large, issue covers need to be removed from comics character articles in particular. When in doubt, ask one of the fair use gurus who hang around Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. WesleyDodds ( talk) 11:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
"Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."
I came across this image in the Gwen Stacy article ( File:Ultgwenkilled.jpg), which raised a question for me, that some consensus regarding it would be helpful. Does providing an image in a section summarizing comic plot equate in to a reduplication of "intended use." I am thinking it might, but wanted some further input regarding this. - Sharp962 ( talk) 18:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
The best examples to follow are film articles, since they are from a visual medium. An image can't be used to simply illustrate a plot element, because you can simply describe that plot element in prose. It needs to enhance the understanding of the prose in some way that you can defend strongly as an essential addition. WesleyDodds ( talk) 23:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
see here -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 17:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else following this? I think there is quite a bit of confusion - DC Comics has not become DC Entertainment. As far as I can see the change means that it is a business unit *within* DCE. Which means the redirect of DCE to DC Comics is incorrect. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 09:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm requesting for opinions over at Talk:Justice League (Smallville)#Costume image regarding the fair use of an image to illustrate the differences between Smallville's costumes and the comic versions. Please see that discussion for details. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Is Category:Omega-level mutants something we're supposed to be having? 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 02:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
This article could probably use some reviews (not just supports) so that it doesn't fail just for lack of reviewer attention. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 02:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The game is finally scheduled to be released tomorrow. I know I'm not the only one that's been asking for sources from randoms who've been going around and posting notes on every single character page who might possibly be in the game with no source to prove it. Should we still keep asking for sources after the game comes out? I know a lot of people feel "the game is the source, so no need for a citation", so I don't want to keep wasting my time by asking for something that's not going to happen. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 15:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, now that the release date is here, I'm not going to bother asking for sources anymore. I've done that in the past with VG references on games that have been released, and often get a hostile response. It's not worth the bother. :) 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 15:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Someone with a bit more finesse want to take a look at Batman? The Modern Batman section is swamping the page, it's double the size of the golden age and silver age sections put together and makes me think we're giving undue weight to recent story-lines in favour of historical ones. The first two paragraphs are okay, but after that it goes everywhere. And the paragraph that begins DC's 2005 limited series Identity Crisis... is not brilliant prose, and since Batman is a featured article, it is supposed to at least approach brilliant prose. I'd hate to see this back in FARC, so do people want to have a go at editing it? Hiding T 20:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Following recent changes by some editors to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Wikipedia articles.
This WikiProject is being notified since it operates such a specific naming convention. Editors are invited to comment on the proposed change at this location. Xan dar 01:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
More fighting on Dormammu lately... yawn. 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 12:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I proposed the merge of two articles. The discussion is here. Please post your opinion there and not here. Thank you. Spidey104 ( talk) 21:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I want to qualify that I'm am not in support of such a suggestion, but feel it is a salient discussion from both sides of the discussion, better had sooner than later.
[6] - Read and article this week that there are some policy changes regarding editing policy of living people. Particularly, as my understanding, edits to articles of select living persons will now need to be approved by a veteran editor.
I'm not sure of my opinion as a reflection of the wiki-experiment, and understand that our article don't contend with libel lawsuits and slander; however, the consistency of content for many of articles is rapidly changing, sometimes to the determent of the article. This seems like a discussion point that would rise sooner or later, so I figured I'd start the ball rolling. - Sharp962 ( talk) 19:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC).
Anyone have time to help cleanup and merge Transformers articles? I posted this here because there has been numerous Transformers comics over the years. See: Category:Transformers for a huge amount of articles on them. There seems to be articles on nearly every Transformer, Transformer faction, toyline and so on. I'm not so sure on the notability of them. I've mentioned my issues with Transformers at the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers, but no response yet. The project doesn't seem very active, except for two people that usually go to AFDs claiming Transformers are notable but don't back it up with sources. I proposed there that I would help when I can with merging, to avoid AFDs when possible. I'm not a complete expert on Transformers, so I'm hoping to find a few here. RobJ1981 ( talk) 19:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 ( talk) 01:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Heihachi makes a cameo appearance in the popular Italian satirical comic Don Zauker, where he fights the musclebound and libidinous exorcist, just to be beaten and shown "who has the best God".
Google's turned up nothing to flesh this out unfortunately, or to even provide a citation.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 13:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I dunno if this is the right forum since it has been a comic book but I believe Princess Adora and She-Ra should be merged the same with He-Man and Prince Adam its like Bruce Wayne and Batman having separate articles even though they are the same person.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 17:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I've been observing this one for a little while, and figured I'd bring it up here for discussion.
Is the official Marvel wiki appropriate as an external link? I can fully understand why is is not appropriate as a reference, as there are multiple reasons. But how about as an external link, sort of a "here's another perspective, if you like" sort of pointer?
Asgardian has been removing these links from articles he's been editing for several weeks now. For example, he has removed it from the Thor article, and Emperor just replaced it there. Asgardian has been removing the links on the ground that the site encourages "power matchups". Should that matter for an external link?
Personally, I don't think it matters and it should be considered a valid link but not a source, but other opinions may vary so I'd like to hear them. BOZ ( talk) 17:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Can someone PLEASE help me with the FoxTrot article? It's been in miserable shape since I whacked out a bunch of fancruft two years ago; I don't know where to find sources. Please? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
As discussed previously we went around the houses on this over Orion (comics) and Orion (comic book) (and also Booster Gold and Booster Gold (volume 2), which was even worse as there were separate articles for the different storylines) and it has recently come up over:
Now I stumble across:
They seem to be gimmicky titles most running to only 2 issues (the last was 4) and it seems awfully unecessary.
I broke it down to look at where we do and don't have eponymous titles [7] and even those general rules of thumbs were thought to lenient and the first list above should probably all be merged into the main articles. However, it seemed to run out of momentum before we got a consensus so I thought I'd throw it back in for discussion with this new example I found. Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 17:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC))
A move for Shrapnel (comics) to Shrapnel (comic character) was made for the DC villain, to make room for an upcoming zombie comic book. I'm not too enthusiastic about the move, primarily due to an unreleased comic replacing an established character seems against at least crystal ball, if not most common names. My real question would be how to sort this out. - Sharp962 ( talk) 03:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC).
[9] Only two of us commenting there, both disagreeing and reverting the other. Will someone who has read the series please tell me which version you think is best? Listing who the Beyonder brought over at the start, and then explaining where three other characters came from, I think is important. Discuss on the talk page please. Dream Focus 00:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Since no comments have been received after a few days, I thought I'd post that an RfC is up at Talk:Awesome Android]. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates#MoS_update:_September_2009 - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 15:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I found five such categories, all empty, that were supposed to be populated by the deleted template {{ Reqimagecomics}}. May I suppose these categories may be deleted?
Debresser ( talk) 19:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else think the article looks really messy? I mean, do we need to write about every single comic he's been in? -- DrBat ( talk) 01:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Wait wait wait. Asgardian, you got defensive over me saying you messed the Abomination article up, when over here you admit to writing the Abomination article "in the in-sentence style" so it would become "dry, didactic and hard to read." So basically you ruined the article to prove a point. Are there any other articles you've done this to, besides Abomination and Rhino? -- DrBat ( talk) 16:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Media franchises/Task forces/Proposals#X-Men. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 20:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Can I get some extra eyes and input on this? Discussion at Talk:List_of_webcomics#Remove_minor_webcomic_images about using images to give undue weight to webcomics of lower significance. At least one editor in the discussion appears to have a conflict of interest as the creator of one of the webcomics under discussion, and is pushing for their webcomic's image to get the same weight as xkcd, Diesel Sweeties, etc. . Sharksaredangerous ( talk) 22:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I see we have a category for this time period - I've never seen or heard of it before ? Is a neologism? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 16:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm tired of seeing him getting raped. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Poor Herc - he will never regain his manhood. ;) 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 22:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a lack of notability for Category:Masters of the Universe minicomics and does not meet wikipedia's deletion policy WP:GNG
Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I have created a new Masters of the Universe article and I believe that the mini comic articles should be deleted at least my comic book article has some third person sources.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Could show where I have to go to get it AfDed.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 03:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me how to take an article proposed for deletion for AFD's I don't understand or know how to do I can't seem to understand the instructions.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 04:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that Masters of the Universe (comics) should be the dominant title its better written and better sourced and its notability has been established and fits wikipedia's criteria s better. WP:NOTE
I'm getting a bit confused now - everyone has agreed with this, I've redirected the other articles to that page - it's all done. it's like you can't actually see any other comments. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 10:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Whilst we are on the subject of changing Masters of the Universe related topics I and other He-Man and Prince Adam should be merged the same with She-Ra and Princess Adora its been debated on WikiProject Television [18] . I feel its relevant since they have also been significant comic book characters.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 19:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I just thought it worth flagging these two inc ase anyone wants to pitch in and help:
I have left a few thoughts on both pages. The latter really needs a photo for the infobox if anyone can find one (or find someone with one who might be encourgaed to upload it). ( Emperor ( talk) 20:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC))
The list hasn't been created on wiki yet, don't know why, but we can access it on the toolserver, see here. Am scratching my head with regards Deadpool, unless this isn;t unique visitors and there's a dedicated fan out there who has it set as homepage and is skewing the stats. Unless I'm just out of touch? Hiding T 09:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
While we're on the subject, I was thinking of running the bot through and assessing all un-assessed importance articles as low. That would save a bit of time, and I'm thinking that if they were more important, they'd be assessed by now. They're mostly stubs that the bot assessed based on a stub template being present. Thoughts? Hiding T 14:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
What conclusions are people coming to when they look at that list? And is it worth requesting separate lists for the task groups/work forces? Hiding T 10:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that most comic book biographies put a lot more detail into more recent events. I am going to write Northstar up for GA, and his 100+ issues with Alpha flight are covered in a couple of paragraphs, while every story arc since he joined the X-men has it's own sub-section, even when he had hardly any input (which is true for almost all his X-men activity). This is replicated in almost all the Marvel character's articles i checked, which is ok for newer characters, like the GA of Anole (comics), but is unwieldy for characters around for 30+ years.
Is there a guideline for this, or do we just use our common sense? I just wanted to check there has been no decision that we are following story arcs before rewriting it. Thanks. Yob Mod 13:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Another example is Mac Gargan. Compare how long the character spent as the Scorpion (40 years?) to how long he has been Venom (3-4 years?) and how lopsided the coverage is. 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 23:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
We kicked the question of comics genre articles before and a few issues have come up.
Romance comics was recently moved to Romance comics in the United States (1946–1975) but there must surely be room for a full article on romance comics and just because the main article focused on the American material doesn't mean we couldn't have a more rounded article on the whole genre. I know little about the topic though and don't know if we could have expanded the article as it is or if there is potential for a larger article of which there is a section on the American comics linking through to the specific article.
We have a similar problem at horror comics/ Horror comics in the United States, 1947–1954 although this has been around for a bit longer. The article on the specific period in American comics is now GA and probably shouldn't be expanded as into a more general article and I know more about horror comics and there should be a larger article as horror comics are riding high these days. How would people propose breaking such an article down? Into regions (American horror comics, horror manga, British horror comics?) or periods? We could sketch out an outline in a sandbox and then move into the main space pretty quickly once we are happy.
There is a similar problem with crime comics, which looks at t specific period in American comics. Should we move it or try and make it more general? I'd suggest moving it (as with the others) but think we should probably address the horror/romance problems.
Also we should standardise the naming - brackets or a comma? I don't care either way as long as we settle on one.
Although it isn't looking great we might want to work on science fiction comics as a more general comics genre article and I have left thoughts on expanding it at Talk:Science fiction comics#Expanding, which might also be generally applicable to more general articles (whether to break down by period or region, for example).
There is also war comics, which is probably also too American-centric.
I also mentioned superhero comics and it does feel we really need to split out comics from superhero to superhero comics but splitting the article and hammering out a new article is a little trickier than creating the general horror comics article. Anyone got any thoughts/ideas on this? ( Emperor ( talk) 14:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC))
(redent) I like the way your sandbox version is looking. One thing to mention. If you're ever planning on taking it through FAC, they have a new rule about using the highest quality sources. This basically means using books as sources. You might try adding some refs from GBooks if you're thinking of FAC at all. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 23:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Meatwod is removing some of the overdetail from a number of "other media" sections of articles. While his intentions might be good, unless I am looking at it wrong, he's leaving some of these articles pretty mangled. 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 04:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I've updated the noticeboard so hopefully it will be of more use. I also found a vast number of requested mergers that people might want to look at, I've added them appropriately. Some of them look obvious, although actually not straight forward in the execution. I took care of the really easy ones, of course. Hiding T 22:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I have put an comic book inbox can someone help to find the dates of when the comics were published Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
The reason I ask is I from the UK and I only started watching Robotech in recent months its not famous here like other 80's toons like He-ma or Ninja Turtles so I thought somebody here might know better. Since there have so many comics publishers who have done Robotech maybe somebody can find the correct info better than me.
Dwanyewest (
talk) 23:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I just started the article Life on Another Planet (graphic novel), on the book by Will Eisner. I am sure you can help improve the article and find further sources. Thanks! -- Cyclopia - talk 00:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Bucky O'Hare needs work I have added some reliable sources of information but the article Bucky O'Hare (TV series) should be be renamed Bucky O'Hare and the Toad Wars rather as that was the name of the cartoon series rather than redirecting to the main comic book article.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 10:39, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I have placed my belief that Bucky O'Hare (TV series) article should be renamed by its television name on the main Bucky O Hare discussion board.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Its just been done
Dwanyewest (
talk) 16:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
The other bugbear I have with the Bucky O'Hare article is how has this article gained a C rating before I intervened there seemed to be little or no third person sources regarding the subject. Now I know the article is a long way from being finished I really don't see how it in its current or previous state its C grade material.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 20:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
OK I shall try and add more things but I still feel the comic character and the Bucky O' Hare and the Toad Wars should be separate articles I have added enough addition info for the articles to be separate and stated so in the respective talk pages.
Dwanyewest (
talk) 10:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I have also created a new template for it to make navigation easier
Template:Bucky O'Hare
Dwanyewest ( talk) 09:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I am a bit worried by the articles created by User:Marveljew. Many of them seem to be about very obscure characters, failing our notability guidelines by a wide margin. E.g. Phalanx of Gloom [19], but also Thunderer (DC Comics), Red Eye (comics) or Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse (comics). Since many regulars here know a lot more about these comics, I bring these here for some discussion and opinions. Fram ( talk) 06:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Marveljew hasn't edited since September 6, but now we have the eerily similar User:Golem866... (e.g. Marveljew creates an article for the Phalanx of Gloom, and Golem creates one for Underwaterer, a member of that team). Perhaps best if people with more knowledge about American comics could keep an eye on this editor and/or discuss things (including WP:SOCK: creating a new account because your previous account has come under scrutiny is not so good...). Fram ( talk) 13:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Join the discussion! 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 12:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed {{ italictitle}} cropping up a few times, like Sweet Tooth (Vertigo). Is this something we want to give the big Comics Project thumbs up to? If so would it be an idea to build this into the comics title infobox (if possible?) - it'd mean we could turn it off with little effort. If we do want to do it then we'd want to do it properly and not in a confusing piecemeal way. Personally, I am struggling to care one way or the other. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC))
FYI, page was moved to Black Widow (Natalia Romanova). BOZ ( talk) 03:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Could everyone keep an eye on List of Marvel Comics publications, it has been pretty much a holder for links on to more detailed articles since it was split but in the last year it has been expanded into an incomplete mess that was replicating, in a less comprehsive wa, information we had elsewhere (possibly to hold current titles, which we decided not to have a while back as it infringes WP:RECENT). So I put it back to an earlier version but it might not be the last we see of this. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC))
My feeling is that [20] this is original reasearch and I have removed it, but it keeps getting put back in. What do you think? 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 17:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello all. I have created the {{ marvelwiki}} template to (hopefully) make it easier to provide an external link to the Marvel Universe wiki. As long as the PAGENAME is the same as the character name, you can use the template all by itself without any parameters. If the PAGENAME is different (dab parentheticals, for example), you can put the character's name after a "|" and it should work. I just fixed a problem with characters with spaces in their name. Feel free to make other improvements. This is a companion to the {{ marvunapp}} template which I created earlier. Cheers, GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Should Peanuts be left at that title or moved to Peanuts (comic strip)? Join the discussion at Talk:Peanuts#Page move. Hiding T 13:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey there! Needs a bit of work, if you've got the time to help out! BOZ ( talk) 20:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks like we might have a couple of socks, Hyatt411 ( talk · contribs) and Kevins411 ( talk · contribs), adding unsourced info to articles and reverting after it is removed. I don't think they mean any harm and just don't understand our rules yet, but what do others think? BOZ ( talk) 03:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been going through stubs, and there is several articles that only have that. A Marvel comics fansite obviously will have them listed, but I'm not too sure on their notability here. Here's what I've found so far: Abner Little, Agent Cheesecake, Alaris (comics), Brute (Morlocks), Captain Omen, Fagin (comics), Lightning Bug (comics), Life Model Decoy and Lurking Unknown. If anyone has time to source these, merge or even put them up for deletion... feel free to do so. From what I know, Life Model Decoy seems like the only notable article out of the bunch. I'll post more when I find them. RobJ1981 ( talk) 21:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I definitely agree with a merge. I suspect that a lot of these sort of articles would fail an AfD. Merging seems like a reasonable way to keep valid, sourced information that is never going to bloom into a proper Good Article candidate. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 20:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Someone want to get a grip of this guy before I move to get him blocked? He likes to add poorly written blow by blow plot summaries, full of spelling mistakes, poor grammar which are largely incoherent to anyone who has not read the source material. He's now suggesting that you can't clean-up an article unless you clean up another first. You can't hold articles hostage like this. What do you do with someone who think they are helpful but are actively degrading articles? Someone who just doesn't get it. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 08:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe it, but we've finally assessed every single comics article! Good job, everyone! Thanks to everyone who contributed! A big thanks to Hiding ( talk · contribs) for doing some heavy lifting this past month!
Note: some articles may still be unassessed in terms of importance. Personally, I tried not to evaluate British, Euro, or World comics for importance as I don't have a very good sense of it. I figured I'd let someone more familiar with the subject matter do that. But every article tagged with {{ Comicsproj}} now has an assessment for article quality (stub, start, etc.).
I guess maybe now I should concentrate on... um... improving the articles? ;-) -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 22:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Of course, a quick AWB list comparison makes me believe there may be 48,639 pages that are related to comics but are not tagged with {{ comicsproj}}. :( Hiding T 14:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'm running comparisons and whacking the info on wiki at User:Hiding/X3. We'll see if we can't catch 'em all. Hiding T 14:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I just restarted Logicomix, which was AfDed in April. As this was before its English publication in September and its hitting the NYT graphic novels best seller list it was pretty much doomed back then but I think I've had a good stab at proving notability and I imagine, given the press it is getting, that this will only grow but the core is there. However, I wouldn't mind a few eyes on it just to check it is OK for now. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC))
Ah, I thought you were talking about the lead section. For the infobox, I'd leave that parameter blank, if possible. If not, I'd mark it as Greek given that it was published in this language first. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Right now over at Talk:List of superhuman features and abilities in fiction we currently have two debates going on which actually are pretty similar. They are regarding repeating characters to use as examples and using characters currently dead as examples. We've had a few people comment but I wanted to get the opinion of the entire WP to form a more complete consensus. So, please, head over to the talk page and voice your opinion. Thank you. Anakinjmt ( talk) 05:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Nope, I'm not talking about myself! I could use a little help: [24] 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
There is currently talks on the page for the F-15 Eagle jet as to whether the use of F-15s for the Seekers (Starscream, etc) in Transformers is worthy of mentining. We need unbiased input on the issue here Talk:F-15_Eagle#Request_to_add_Transformers_reference Thanks! Mathewignash ( talk) 03:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find any comics project RFC page (other than the archives located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Requests for comment and its' subpages), so I'm putting the request here. I've made a proposal at Talk:List of superhuman features and abilities in fiction#Dropping the requirement for a powers and abilities section in the target article, intended to make it easier to use non-comic examples, and would like more input. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 05:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else think virtually every article listed in the V for Vendetta template could/should be merged or redirected to the main article? The subarticles primarily rely on in-story information for content, and they aren't that big to begin with. WesleyDodds ( talk) 13:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Comics to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 04:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I think we should add Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Popular pages to the main page and/or the bar at the top of the comics pages. :) BOZ ( talk) 23:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Shel Dorf, the founder of the San Diego Comic Con has just passed away, so if there was going to be an article started then no would be the right time when the tributes and obits are doing the rounds, one from Mark Evanier [25]. Or turn the link into a redirect to a redirect to a section on the SDCC page? ( Emperor ( talk) 22:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC))
Well, until we work out a better place:
If someone is a secondary character (ie, not someone like Batman or Spider-Man), is it okay to write about all of their appearances in their article? -- DrBat ( talk) 15:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Series | Issue(s) | Cover date(s) |
---|---|---|
The Amazing Spider-Man | 41 | October 1966 |
43 | December 1966 | |
The Incredible Hulk | 104 | June 1968 |
124 | February 1970 | |
139 | May 1971 | |
157-160 | November 1972 - Februsary 1973 | |
171 | January 1974 |
Series | Issue(s) | Cover date(s) |
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Marvel Treasury Edition | 5 | 1975 |
Spidey Super Stories | 6 | March 1975 |
The Incredible Hulk | 200 | June 1976 |
Marvel Super-Heroes | 58 | July 1976 |
The Defenders | 42-44 | December 1976 - Februsary 1977 |
The Amazing Spider-Man | 170 | July 1977 |
The Incredible Hulk | 218 | December 1977 |
I am sorely tempted to lock up both Rhino and Abomination for several days. It's just shameful what's been going on there lately. Can anyone give me a good reason to not do so? "I will discuss on the talk page from now on instead of edit warring" counts as a good reason, for example. BOZ ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
This topic has been mentioned at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Banning specific editors from pages. Hiding T 11:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
DrBat ( talk · contribs) and Asgardian ( talk · contribs) have been banned from editing Abomination (comics) and Rhino (comics) for one month or until they resolve their dispute. Any edits to the page by either editor during this period will result in an initial block of 24 hours, escalating to a maximum of one month. Hiding T 12:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Pursuant to the above, I have made a request for clarification regarding the above case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae. Hiding T 11:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
To my eye, and not all the scores are on the doors, it looks like we're being suggested to go towards an RFC or blocks + community ban. Note a serving arbitrator supports the fact that, per blocking policy, "A user may be blocked when his or her conduct severely disrupts the project; that is, when his or her conduct is inconsistent with a civil, collegial atmosphere and interferes with the process of editors working together harmoniously to create an encyclopedia." So I'm thinking either an RFC to get clarity on the situation or trust our judgement. Thoughts? Hiding T 19:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so who is going to start it? Any takers? Hiding T 21:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Just coming into this, making list of appearances for characters is a bad idea, as it is simply not good writing. It assumes the appearances are notable in of themselves, and turns the article into an index of appearances, which borders on trivia. WesleyDodds ( talk) 11:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone able to work out what Femizonia (Marvel Comics) is? It looks like a list of alternate Earths in the Marvel Universe to me. Hiding T 21:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
It's the alternative earth that Thundra is from - that article needs serious work.. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 21:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
For anyone looking to improve comics bio articles, the Comics creators articles by quality page is a good place to start. :) We've got 0 FAs, 7 GAs, 23 Bs, 185 Cs, and 2270 among the start and stub categories. ;) Just a thought! BOZ ( talk) 13:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone go have a look, please? It's been going on for a few weeks, it seems. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 16:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Robert Crumb: is it better to have a GFDL licensed "fan" art image than to have no picture at all? I don't think such portraits should be included, but I wanted some wider discussion on this. Fram ( talk) 14:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Portraits are a great solution to the NFCC issue. As mentioned above, they're frequently based on a non-free image, making them non-free. I think that's a pretty good portrait, but if you don't like it, look for the picture it came from on google images. If you find the original, and it's not free, then the portrait should be removed and deleted on NFCC grounds.
There's the issue of whether or not a portrait is good enough, as well. I like the Crumb one, but if I drew a Crumb portrait from memory, it would be so crappy that it's freeness wouldn't matter. If there's consensus that that one sucks that much, that's another reason to remove, although, again, I like it. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 16:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
A discussion is underway at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 55#SPOILER ALERT disclaimers discussing whether spoiler alerts should be added to all articles that cover a fictional topic or if spoilers should be removed by removing all plot summaries from all articles, except for any sentences that can be sourced to secondary sources only. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 04:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just created the stub for it. It's my first article, so input and improvement is welcome. This is Pete Wentz's foray into the comics industry, just like Gerard Way before him. Wonder if it'll be as well received as The Umbrella Academy... BlazerKnight ( talk) 05:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
In light of Template talk:Infobox comics meta series#{{Italic title}} we really should look at this again - and have as much input as possible, not just 2 or 3 like last time. - J Greb ( talk) 20:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[40] - it's just as bad, if not worse, as what was previously going on at Abomination and Rhino. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 13:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
You guys know how to deal with the question at Talk:Meher Baba#In popular culture a lot better than I do. I think any input would be welcome on how to reference the suggested material. John Carter ( talk) 01:50, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Can I get some more eyes on this? Webcomic artist calling out "Wikiassholes" while inserting his "not-for-profit works" image of his own comic into List of webcomics seems to me to run counter to the spirits of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Sharksaredangerous ( talk) 23:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed Siege (comics), which describes itself as a future story-line. Just wanted to put it on the radar. Hiding T 12:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Where should this page lie - Mr. Fantastic or Mister Fantastic? BOZ ( talk) 23:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
By the way - I moved it back earlier. :) BOZ ( talk) 06:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody give me info on getting rid of the roman numerals in comics here? Brian Boru is awesome ( talk) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Brian Boru is awesome ( talk) 22:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Here is a related one for you - issue numbers in storyline sections, see for example Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs). ( Emperor ( talk) 03:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC))
So soon after Shel Dorf dying, so does SDCC's Ken Krueger [41], just nosing around I see he won an Inkpot Award. Not sure if he is notable enough for his own article, but he seems to be the same person as the Kenneth J. Krueger mentioned in Grant-Hadley Enterprises (at least the stories seem parallel so the coincidence in names would be strange), which might suggest his earlier contributions to sci-fi fandom are detailed elsewhere and the two combined could be enough to make a well-rounded article. I'll keep an eye out for more comprehensive obits. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC))
Couple of new things.
I just saw Essential Marvel has the prices in dollars in the lead. Does this seem like a good idea? ( Emperor ( talk) 18:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC))
What do people think about mirroring WikiProject Anime and Manga by becoming WikiProject Comics and Animation? Basically, we'd absorb the animation project and set it up as a work group. Most of it can likely be automated by the bot account. Seems non-controversial given the overlap we have. Thoughts? Hiding T 21:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Asgardian removed the {{ primarysources}} tag, and I questioned why he did this; I placed it back a couple of times and he removed it each time but I'm afraid I just don't get his logic so I'm bringing this here for comment. He seems to agree that the article needs third party sourcing, but that "it is a moot point for all of them. Someone needs to write an A-Z volume" according to one of his edit summaries. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 04:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I also restored the templates to Mephisto (comics) just now. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 04:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 02:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, the GAN for Boys' Ranch is open, and the original nominator has stepped back as no longer inclined to work on it. I think with just a little work it can be pushed to be a solid Good Article. A modicum of knowledge to tweak the small amount of jargon, clarify sourcing, etc., will help. If anybody from this WikiProject is willing to step up and pitch in that'd be great. Thanks! – Whitehorse1 16:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
As I mentioned previously, the edit warring is really bad at Juggernaut (comics). 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 16:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
A pair of anon users has been busily adding those little collapsable boxes at the bottom of articles. In some cases, there seems to be a bit of an overload with several on the same page now, and a lot of these appear to be tangential connections. Just bringing this here for discussion. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 13:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A bit complex (see here for details): There was a recent AFD which closed as a merge of the creator to their webcomic but this was contested and the discussion has washed up here: Talk:Newshounds#Merge of Thomas K. Dye. It'd be handy to have more input so as to resolve this. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC))
You beat me to it by four minutes. Also posting to the Biog WikProject. Fences& Windows 01:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
This has been a recurring problem with the "Black Lantern Corps" but I think it may be more widespread.
I know the argument has been put forth that the statement "I, a reader of the comic, can clearly identify, by appearance only, the character as it appears in the comic. Even though the character is not identified in any of the text in the comic." amounts to an OR sourcing.
Have we as a project gone over this and said "Yup, unacceptable sourcing"?
If we have, can we get it added to either WP:CMC/REF or WP:CMOS?
If we haven't, can we at least try to hash this out?
- J Greb ( talk) 23:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
“ | Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Without a secondary source, a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages from the novel to describe the plot, but any interpretation of those passages needs a secondary source. Do not make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about information found in a primary source. | ” |
I dunno.
While I agree with characters shrouded in mist, or in shadow being WP:OR, I don't think a character clearly indicated in an image is OR.
And the argument about who could be in the costume would seem to be a red herring. And techincally, at any time they can "change" the past and claim something new. "That wasn't Booster Gold in the Nova costume, it was actually someone else in the costume."
That's like questioning whether an appearance by Ronald Reagan was him, or a body double.
I don't think we presume OR in those cases, so I don't think we should in this.
So I think identifying that Superman appears in an image with other heroes is perfectly fine under: "a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge.".
If the text says that these are the new JLA, and show these characters, who are easily identifiable, then I don't see WP:OR.
Or am I missing something here? - jc37 18:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Previously, we looked at the issues surrounding separate articles for characters and their comic books. This can work with big names but seems to run into difficulty beyond that as it often spreads the same material across too rather thin articles.
Now we have a new batch:
Iron Man and Hercules I might buy, as long-running characters with large articles of their own it could make some sense, but the Ares one is far trickier - the main article is hardly stuffed to the gills and I'm not sure what unique content can be added to the comic book article. If it was award-winning and had a lot of reviews it might be independently notable, with enough material to provide a well-fleshed out article but unless something special turns up it looks like the best it can hope for is a slightly longer version of the plot already in the main characters article.
Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 05:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC))
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Al Williamson is an article that I roughly threw together that's been through a peer review. There's a 'To do' list on the talk page. Eventually I want to take it to a GA review. But not right now. I don't have time to work on it, so if anyone wants to pimp it up, you are cordially invited to do so. It's a fairly sizeable article, with extensive references, so I think it's got favorable GA potential. And there's a new book out on him, so it's timely. -- Scott Free ( talk) 01:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Silver Surfer has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Tom B ( talk) 19:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
A new list has been created: American comic book industry timeline. Should this be merged with the List of years in comics? -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Al Williamson has been nominated for GA! BOZ ( talk) 23:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have two navbox related proposals:
All feedback is appreciated. - Sharp962 ( talk) 18:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC).
The article Al Capp was previously not tagged for the comics project. I have temporarily tagged it as C -Mid, but people may have a look at it because it looks to be a fairly well developed article (long, decent number of references) that may be a realistic target for B and perhaps GA class in the near future (after a cursory glance at least). Fram ( talk) 08:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see [1]. Hobit ( talk) 20:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Some project attention at Characters of The Adventures of Tintin would be helpful, as there has been some issues with disruption and edit warring of late. User:Mezigue has made a massive effort in helping to get the list to a better point for sourcing, removing a ton of excessive plot summary and WP:OR, particularly the overly detailed information on minor characters. [2] However eleven days later, an editor reverted and disagreed calling it excessive. [3] There is now a slow edit war over the issue. Additional views at Talk:Characters of The Adventures of Tintin#Recent edits would be very useful to achieve consensus on either supporting the clean up of the article, or allowing it to remain in its previous state. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 18:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I've just tried to go, and www.comics.org takes you to a GoDaddy placeholder at [4]. What's happened? More importantly, what will happen to all those important footnoted links in countless comics articles? -- 207.237.223.118 ( talk) 19:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
[5] Opinions? Too many, not enough, or just right? 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey there. :) In my previous thread, I noted that I was going to be creating a noticeboard to store all the unsucessful GANs and FACs and all the peer reviews I've been requesting, so that we could have a centralized place for people who are looking for something to do.
Well, I did create the Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Improvements noticeboard a month ago to do just that! :) Feel free to poke around there.
I just nominated From Hell and Bob Kane for peer review, as I've been going through the old threads and pulling up anything that seemed to have generated some interest. If you have something you think could be GA or better, just mention it here and I'll be your advocate for peer review - or nominate it yourself, or let me know about any reviews which I have missed. :)
This can include not only B- and C-class articles which can be brought up to GA, but also GAs that we could get to FA with some effort. :) If I get no input, I'll just keep running along like I have been until I run out of ideas. ;) BOZ ( talk) 02:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Might as well go for the big dog and nominate Comics next! BOZ ( talk) 15:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a FYI - Luminum got Anole passed as a GA. :) BOZ ( talk) 16:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to note that I have nominated DC Comics for peer review now. Next target, of course, is Marvel. :)
I have requested a peer review for Graphic novel, which was delisted as a GA a few months ago. BOZ ( talk) 15:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
An anon has been consistently re-adding unsourced movie rights info to Cloak and Dagger. Several editors have reverted the information requesting that the information be referenced if it is to be added again, but clearly it's not happening (mostly because I doubt there's any source besides the IMDB forum speculation). To avoid an edit war, can we semi-protect the page? Luminum ( talk) 22:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey I'm fairly new to this and have a question. With a character like Wolverine who has three on-going series, or say Deadpool now, should those series have a separate page from the character? I think so but I don't know if there is a rule already.-- Lotsofinterviews ( talk) 14:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
That's a good question - remember that any such article should not simply be plot summary. --
Cameron Scott (
talk) 14:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I was reading some old graphic novels recently, and had a thought regarding the use of source material to describe fictional events and powers, etc. It seems to me that even in comics there are things established in continuity (but not often referenced or remembered) (i.e. Professor X's love of Jean Grey), things tent-poled in continuity, (i.e. Superman is from Krypton) and some that will be brushed over and forgotten (i.e. gun-totting 1940's Batman). My suggestion is for some fictional referencing from source material we had multiple sources. This would at the least help to trim down drawn out character bio's and powers sections referencing fleeting panels from 1982, pointing to established plot points and details. There is much contention even in our sub-wiki-community about fictional material, but his seems to be an idea we might be able to build from for this specific medium. - Sharp962 ( talk) 17:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC).
Or we could use reliable secondary sources and if they don't mention something then it's of no interest to us? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 18:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Things like Batman's early use of firearms are exactly the type of thing that get written about in books, which is why we ought to use more books as sources instead of just recent blog posts. Sharksaredangerous ( talk) 20:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I removed a bit of trivia and got a personal attack. Anyone want to help me keep an eye on that article? 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 01:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I started an Improvements page a couple months ago, and have accumulated a significant amount of feedback. The question is, what would we like to do with it? Link to it from somewhere on the WikiProject, or just let it sit and hope people notice it? ;) Is it a good idea in the first place? BOZ ( talk) 12:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) it's a good start! It seems a bit bulky at first, but if we merge the current talk page header into it, that might help? Maybe instead of/in addition to the Deletion tab, we could have the Article Alerts there? BOZ ( talk) 02:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Fritz the Cat is being reviewed as a current FAC. ( Ibaranoff24 ( talk) 16:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC))
Wikipedia:Notability (published works) is a proposed merger of various notability guidelines which will affect this project, even though none of the other guidelines did. People might want to have a look and see how it will affect us and speak up. Hiding T 19:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I just created this stub today dealing with this character. She's one of the main supporting characters in the current Jonah Hex ongoing series. Sadly, its been nominated for deletion already. I'm mystified about it as other characters that are a lot less notable have their own articles. I don't understand why a supporting character of a major comic book character, published by a major comic book company shouldn't have a simple stub. Stephen Day ( talk) 22:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Khan Noonien Singh, a fictional character, is today's featured article. Yes, it has a plot summary; in fact, it takes up about 1/3 of the article, and in fact, much of it is in-universe text (set up by out-of-universe text though, of course). What it also has is a "design and analysis" section, and a "reception and legacy" section. So, again, I can only take this as a sign that plot summaries, even containing a fair amount of in-universe text, are not the enemy. In fact, they can help make a nice healthy, well-rounded article, as I have always believed. The key is, to make sure articles about fictional characters feature the all-too-important, well-sourced sections detailing the character's design, development, reception, etc. from an entirely out-of-universe perspective. Khaaaaan!!!!!! BOZ ( talk) 00:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
This user was running amok, adding the "Marvel superhero" category to a bunch of articles to which it does not apply. I reverted most of these additions, but keep an eye out. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 22:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
1. List of limited series 203.35.135.136 ( talk) 02:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I've recently become aware of the articles toolserver and am putting in a submission for this project; this will generate a list of the most frequently viewed articles tagged for this project. Hopefully the data provided by this list will be of benefit. Hiding T 09:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Something to consider: Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages containing an unusually high number of non-free files. Articles about many publications and characters require fair use images, but if it appears on this list there's probably too many. WesleyDodds ( talk) 10:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
A good rule of thumb to go by is that any fair use image must be discussed in the prose. With images simply meant to depict a character, that's easy. However, this doesn't mean you can just throw in issue covers if the issue is mentioned. For comparison see WP:ALBUMS. Album covers do not appear willy-nilly in musician articles or discogrpahy pages because you can talk about the album without the aid of an image of the cover. The cover adds nothing to the reader's understanding and usually there is nothing to warrant fair use of said image. So if I write that Green Lantern first appeared in All-American Comics issue sixteen, that is not a sufficient rationale to include the cover in an article. A sufficient rationale would be talking about something on the cover itself, like "Historian John Doe describes the artwork on the cover of All-American Comics issue sixteen as representative of something-something". But keep in mind those sorts of instances are rare. By and large, issue covers need to be removed from comics character articles in particular. When in doubt, ask one of the fair use gurus who hang around Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. WesleyDodds ( talk) 11:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
"Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."
I came across this image in the Gwen Stacy article ( File:Ultgwenkilled.jpg), which raised a question for me, that some consensus regarding it would be helpful. Does providing an image in a section summarizing comic plot equate in to a reduplication of "intended use." I am thinking it might, but wanted some further input regarding this. - Sharp962 ( talk) 18:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
The best examples to follow are film articles, since they are from a visual medium. An image can't be used to simply illustrate a plot element, because you can simply describe that plot element in prose. It needs to enhance the understanding of the prose in some way that you can defend strongly as an essential addition. WesleyDodds ( talk) 23:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
see here -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 17:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else following this? I think there is quite a bit of confusion - DC Comics has not become DC Entertainment. As far as I can see the change means that it is a business unit *within* DCE. Which means the redirect of DCE to DC Comics is incorrect. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 09:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm requesting for opinions over at Talk:Justice League (Smallville)#Costume image regarding the fair use of an image to illustrate the differences between Smallville's costumes and the comic versions. Please see that discussion for details. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Is Category:Omega-level mutants something we're supposed to be having? 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 02:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
This article could probably use some reviews (not just supports) so that it doesn't fail just for lack of reviewer attention. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 02:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The game is finally scheduled to be released tomorrow. I know I'm not the only one that's been asking for sources from randoms who've been going around and posting notes on every single character page who might possibly be in the game with no source to prove it. Should we still keep asking for sources after the game comes out? I know a lot of people feel "the game is the source, so no need for a citation", so I don't want to keep wasting my time by asking for something that's not going to happen. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 15:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, now that the release date is here, I'm not going to bother asking for sources anymore. I've done that in the past with VG references on games that have been released, and often get a hostile response. It's not worth the bother. :) 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 15:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Someone with a bit more finesse want to take a look at Batman? The Modern Batman section is swamping the page, it's double the size of the golden age and silver age sections put together and makes me think we're giving undue weight to recent story-lines in favour of historical ones. The first two paragraphs are okay, but after that it goes everywhere. And the paragraph that begins DC's 2005 limited series Identity Crisis... is not brilliant prose, and since Batman is a featured article, it is supposed to at least approach brilliant prose. I'd hate to see this back in FARC, so do people want to have a go at editing it? Hiding T 20:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Following recent changes by some editors to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Wikipedia articles.
This WikiProject is being notified since it operates such a specific naming convention. Editors are invited to comment on the proposed change at this location. Xan dar 01:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
More fighting on Dormammu lately... yawn. 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 12:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I proposed the merge of two articles. The discussion is here. Please post your opinion there and not here. Thank you. Spidey104 ( talk) 21:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I want to qualify that I'm am not in support of such a suggestion, but feel it is a salient discussion from both sides of the discussion, better had sooner than later.
[6] - Read and article this week that there are some policy changes regarding editing policy of living people. Particularly, as my understanding, edits to articles of select living persons will now need to be approved by a veteran editor.
I'm not sure of my opinion as a reflection of the wiki-experiment, and understand that our article don't contend with libel lawsuits and slander; however, the consistency of content for many of articles is rapidly changing, sometimes to the determent of the article. This seems like a discussion point that would rise sooner or later, so I figured I'd start the ball rolling. - Sharp962 ( talk) 19:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC).
Anyone have time to help cleanup and merge Transformers articles? I posted this here because there has been numerous Transformers comics over the years. See: Category:Transformers for a huge amount of articles on them. There seems to be articles on nearly every Transformer, Transformer faction, toyline and so on. I'm not so sure on the notability of them. I've mentioned my issues with Transformers at the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers, but no response yet. The project doesn't seem very active, except for two people that usually go to AFDs claiming Transformers are notable but don't back it up with sources. I proposed there that I would help when I can with merging, to avoid AFDs when possible. I'm not a complete expert on Transformers, so I'm hoping to find a few here. RobJ1981 ( talk) 19:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 ( talk) 01:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Heihachi makes a cameo appearance in the popular Italian satirical comic Don Zauker, where he fights the musclebound and libidinous exorcist, just to be beaten and shown "who has the best God".
Google's turned up nothing to flesh this out unfortunately, or to even provide a citation.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 13:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I dunno if this is the right forum since it has been a comic book but I believe Princess Adora and She-Ra should be merged the same with He-Man and Prince Adam its like Bruce Wayne and Batman having separate articles even though they are the same person.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 17:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I've been observing this one for a little while, and figured I'd bring it up here for discussion.
Is the official Marvel wiki appropriate as an external link? I can fully understand why is is not appropriate as a reference, as there are multiple reasons. But how about as an external link, sort of a "here's another perspective, if you like" sort of pointer?
Asgardian has been removing these links from articles he's been editing for several weeks now. For example, he has removed it from the Thor article, and Emperor just replaced it there. Asgardian has been removing the links on the ground that the site encourages "power matchups". Should that matter for an external link?
Personally, I don't think it matters and it should be considered a valid link but not a source, but other opinions may vary so I'd like to hear them. BOZ ( talk) 17:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Can someone PLEASE help me with the FoxTrot article? It's been in miserable shape since I whacked out a bunch of fancruft two years ago; I don't know where to find sources. Please? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
As discussed previously we went around the houses on this over Orion (comics) and Orion (comic book) (and also Booster Gold and Booster Gold (volume 2), which was even worse as there were separate articles for the different storylines) and it has recently come up over:
Now I stumble across:
They seem to be gimmicky titles most running to only 2 issues (the last was 4) and it seems awfully unecessary.
I broke it down to look at where we do and don't have eponymous titles [7] and even those general rules of thumbs were thought to lenient and the first list above should probably all be merged into the main articles. However, it seemed to run out of momentum before we got a consensus so I thought I'd throw it back in for discussion with this new example I found. Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 17:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC))
A move for Shrapnel (comics) to Shrapnel (comic character) was made for the DC villain, to make room for an upcoming zombie comic book. I'm not too enthusiastic about the move, primarily due to an unreleased comic replacing an established character seems against at least crystal ball, if not most common names. My real question would be how to sort this out. - Sharp962 ( talk) 03:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC).
[9] Only two of us commenting there, both disagreeing and reverting the other. Will someone who has read the series please tell me which version you think is best? Listing who the Beyonder brought over at the start, and then explaining where three other characters came from, I think is important. Discuss on the talk page please. Dream Focus 00:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Since no comments have been received after a few days, I thought I'd post that an RfC is up at Talk:Awesome Android]. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates#MoS_update:_September_2009 - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 15:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I found five such categories, all empty, that were supposed to be populated by the deleted template {{ Reqimagecomics}}. May I suppose these categories may be deleted?
Debresser ( talk) 19:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else think the article looks really messy? I mean, do we need to write about every single comic he's been in? -- DrBat ( talk) 01:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Wait wait wait. Asgardian, you got defensive over me saying you messed the Abomination article up, when over here you admit to writing the Abomination article "in the in-sentence style" so it would become "dry, didactic and hard to read." So basically you ruined the article to prove a point. Are there any other articles you've done this to, besides Abomination and Rhino? -- DrBat ( talk) 16:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Media franchises/Task forces/Proposals#X-Men. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 20:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Can I get some extra eyes and input on this? Discussion at Talk:List_of_webcomics#Remove_minor_webcomic_images about using images to give undue weight to webcomics of lower significance. At least one editor in the discussion appears to have a conflict of interest as the creator of one of the webcomics under discussion, and is pushing for their webcomic's image to get the same weight as xkcd, Diesel Sweeties, etc. . Sharksaredangerous ( talk) 22:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I see we have a category for this time period - I've never seen or heard of it before ? Is a neologism? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 16:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm tired of seeing him getting raped. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Poor Herc - he will never regain his manhood. ;) 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 22:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a lack of notability for Category:Masters of the Universe minicomics and does not meet wikipedia's deletion policy WP:GNG
Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I have created a new Masters of the Universe article and I believe that the mini comic articles should be deleted at least my comic book article has some third person sources.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Could show where I have to go to get it AfDed.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 03:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me how to take an article proposed for deletion for AFD's I don't understand or know how to do I can't seem to understand the instructions.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 04:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that Masters of the Universe (comics) should be the dominant title its better written and better sourced and its notability has been established and fits wikipedia's criteria s better. WP:NOTE
I'm getting a bit confused now - everyone has agreed with this, I've redirected the other articles to that page - it's all done. it's like you can't actually see any other comments. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 10:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Whilst we are on the subject of changing Masters of the Universe related topics I and other He-Man and Prince Adam should be merged the same with She-Ra and Princess Adora its been debated on WikiProject Television [18] . I feel its relevant since they have also been significant comic book characters.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 19:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I just thought it worth flagging these two inc ase anyone wants to pitch in and help:
I have left a few thoughts on both pages. The latter really needs a photo for the infobox if anyone can find one (or find someone with one who might be encourgaed to upload it). ( Emperor ( talk) 20:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC))
The list hasn't been created on wiki yet, don't know why, but we can access it on the toolserver, see here. Am scratching my head with regards Deadpool, unless this isn;t unique visitors and there's a dedicated fan out there who has it set as homepage and is skewing the stats. Unless I'm just out of touch? Hiding T 09:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
While we're on the subject, I was thinking of running the bot through and assessing all un-assessed importance articles as low. That would save a bit of time, and I'm thinking that if they were more important, they'd be assessed by now. They're mostly stubs that the bot assessed based on a stub template being present. Thoughts? Hiding T 14:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
What conclusions are people coming to when they look at that list? And is it worth requesting separate lists for the task groups/work forces? Hiding T 10:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that most comic book biographies put a lot more detail into more recent events. I am going to write Northstar up for GA, and his 100+ issues with Alpha flight are covered in a couple of paragraphs, while every story arc since he joined the X-men has it's own sub-section, even when he had hardly any input (which is true for almost all his X-men activity). This is replicated in almost all the Marvel character's articles i checked, which is ok for newer characters, like the GA of Anole (comics), but is unwieldy for characters around for 30+ years.
Is there a guideline for this, or do we just use our common sense? I just wanted to check there has been no decision that we are following story arcs before rewriting it. Thanks. Yob Mod 13:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Another example is Mac Gargan. Compare how long the character spent as the Scorpion (40 years?) to how long he has been Venom (3-4 years?) and how lopsided the coverage is. 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 23:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
We kicked the question of comics genre articles before and a few issues have come up.
Romance comics was recently moved to Romance comics in the United States (1946–1975) but there must surely be room for a full article on romance comics and just because the main article focused on the American material doesn't mean we couldn't have a more rounded article on the whole genre. I know little about the topic though and don't know if we could have expanded the article as it is or if there is potential for a larger article of which there is a section on the American comics linking through to the specific article.
We have a similar problem at horror comics/ Horror comics in the United States, 1947–1954 although this has been around for a bit longer. The article on the specific period in American comics is now GA and probably shouldn't be expanded as into a more general article and I know more about horror comics and there should be a larger article as horror comics are riding high these days. How would people propose breaking such an article down? Into regions (American horror comics, horror manga, British horror comics?) or periods? We could sketch out an outline in a sandbox and then move into the main space pretty quickly once we are happy.
There is a similar problem with crime comics, which looks at t specific period in American comics. Should we move it or try and make it more general? I'd suggest moving it (as with the others) but think we should probably address the horror/romance problems.
Also we should standardise the naming - brackets or a comma? I don't care either way as long as we settle on one.
Although it isn't looking great we might want to work on science fiction comics as a more general comics genre article and I have left thoughts on expanding it at Talk:Science fiction comics#Expanding, which might also be generally applicable to more general articles (whether to break down by period or region, for example).
There is also war comics, which is probably also too American-centric.
I also mentioned superhero comics and it does feel we really need to split out comics from superhero to superhero comics but splitting the article and hammering out a new article is a little trickier than creating the general horror comics article. Anyone got any thoughts/ideas on this? ( Emperor ( talk) 14:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC))
(redent) I like the way your sandbox version is looking. One thing to mention. If you're ever planning on taking it through FAC, they have a new rule about using the highest quality sources. This basically means using books as sources. You might try adding some refs from GBooks if you're thinking of FAC at all. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 23:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Meatwod is removing some of the overdetail from a number of "other media" sections of articles. While his intentions might be good, unless I am looking at it wrong, he's leaving some of these articles pretty mangled. 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 04:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I've updated the noticeboard so hopefully it will be of more use. I also found a vast number of requested mergers that people might want to look at, I've added them appropriately. Some of them look obvious, although actually not straight forward in the execution. I took care of the really easy ones, of course. Hiding T 22:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I have put an comic book inbox can someone help to find the dates of when the comics were published Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
The reason I ask is I from the UK and I only started watching Robotech in recent months its not famous here like other 80's toons like He-ma or Ninja Turtles so I thought somebody here might know better. Since there have so many comics publishers who have done Robotech maybe somebody can find the correct info better than me.
Dwanyewest (
talk) 23:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I just started the article Life on Another Planet (graphic novel), on the book by Will Eisner. I am sure you can help improve the article and find further sources. Thanks! -- Cyclopia - talk 00:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Bucky O'Hare needs work I have added some reliable sources of information but the article Bucky O'Hare (TV series) should be be renamed Bucky O'Hare and the Toad Wars rather as that was the name of the cartoon series rather than redirecting to the main comic book article.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 10:39, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I have placed my belief that Bucky O'Hare (TV series) article should be renamed by its television name on the main Bucky O Hare discussion board.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Its just been done
Dwanyewest (
talk) 16:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
The other bugbear I have with the Bucky O'Hare article is how has this article gained a C rating before I intervened there seemed to be little or no third person sources regarding the subject. Now I know the article is a long way from being finished I really don't see how it in its current or previous state its C grade material.
Dwanyewest ( talk) 20:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
OK I shall try and add more things but I still feel the comic character and the Bucky O' Hare and the Toad Wars should be separate articles I have added enough addition info for the articles to be separate and stated so in the respective talk pages.
Dwanyewest (
talk) 10:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I have also created a new template for it to make navigation easier
Template:Bucky O'Hare
Dwanyewest ( talk) 09:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I am a bit worried by the articles created by User:Marveljew. Many of them seem to be about very obscure characters, failing our notability guidelines by a wide margin. E.g. Phalanx of Gloom [19], but also Thunderer (DC Comics), Red Eye (comics) or Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse (comics). Since many regulars here know a lot more about these comics, I bring these here for some discussion and opinions. Fram ( talk) 06:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Marveljew hasn't edited since September 6, but now we have the eerily similar User:Golem866... (e.g. Marveljew creates an article for the Phalanx of Gloom, and Golem creates one for Underwaterer, a member of that team). Perhaps best if people with more knowledge about American comics could keep an eye on this editor and/or discuss things (including WP:SOCK: creating a new account because your previous account has come under scrutiny is not so good...). Fram ( talk) 13:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Join the discussion! 67.175.176.178 ( talk) 12:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed {{ italictitle}} cropping up a few times, like Sweet Tooth (Vertigo). Is this something we want to give the big Comics Project thumbs up to? If so would it be an idea to build this into the comics title infobox (if possible?) - it'd mean we could turn it off with little effort. If we do want to do it then we'd want to do it properly and not in a confusing piecemeal way. Personally, I am struggling to care one way or the other. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC))
FYI, page was moved to Black Widow (Natalia Romanova). BOZ ( talk) 03:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Could everyone keep an eye on List of Marvel Comics publications, it has been pretty much a holder for links on to more detailed articles since it was split but in the last year it has been expanded into an incomplete mess that was replicating, in a less comprehsive wa, information we had elsewhere (possibly to hold current titles, which we decided not to have a while back as it infringes WP:RECENT). So I put it back to an earlier version but it might not be the last we see of this. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC))
My feeling is that [20] this is original reasearch and I have removed it, but it keeps getting put back in. What do you think? 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 17:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello all. I have created the {{ marvelwiki}} template to (hopefully) make it easier to provide an external link to the Marvel Universe wiki. As long as the PAGENAME is the same as the character name, you can use the template all by itself without any parameters. If the PAGENAME is different (dab parentheticals, for example), you can put the character's name after a "|" and it should work. I just fixed a problem with characters with spaces in their name. Feel free to make other improvements. This is a companion to the {{ marvunapp}} template which I created earlier. Cheers, GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Should Peanuts be left at that title or moved to Peanuts (comic strip)? Join the discussion at Talk:Peanuts#Page move. Hiding T 13:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey there! Needs a bit of work, if you've got the time to help out! BOZ ( talk) 20:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks like we might have a couple of socks, Hyatt411 ( talk · contribs) and Kevins411 ( talk · contribs), adding unsourced info to articles and reverting after it is removed. I don't think they mean any harm and just don't understand our rules yet, but what do others think? BOZ ( talk) 03:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been going through stubs, and there is several articles that only have that. A Marvel comics fansite obviously will have them listed, but I'm not too sure on their notability here. Here's what I've found so far: Abner Little, Agent Cheesecake, Alaris (comics), Brute (Morlocks), Captain Omen, Fagin (comics), Lightning Bug (comics), Life Model Decoy and Lurking Unknown. If anyone has time to source these, merge or even put them up for deletion... feel free to do so. From what I know, Life Model Decoy seems like the only notable article out of the bunch. I'll post more when I find them. RobJ1981 ( talk) 21:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I definitely agree with a merge. I suspect that a lot of these sort of articles would fail an AfD. Merging seems like a reasonable way to keep valid, sourced information that is never going to bloom into a proper Good Article candidate. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 20:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Someone want to get a grip of this guy before I move to get him blocked? He likes to add poorly written blow by blow plot summaries, full of spelling mistakes, poor grammar which are largely incoherent to anyone who has not read the source material. He's now suggesting that you can't clean-up an article unless you clean up another first. You can't hold articles hostage like this. What do you do with someone who think they are helpful but are actively degrading articles? Someone who just doesn't get it. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 08:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe it, but we've finally assessed every single comics article! Good job, everyone! Thanks to everyone who contributed! A big thanks to Hiding ( talk · contribs) for doing some heavy lifting this past month!
Note: some articles may still be unassessed in terms of importance. Personally, I tried not to evaluate British, Euro, or World comics for importance as I don't have a very good sense of it. I figured I'd let someone more familiar with the subject matter do that. But every article tagged with {{ Comicsproj}} now has an assessment for article quality (stub, start, etc.).
I guess maybe now I should concentrate on... um... improving the articles? ;-) -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 22:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Of course, a quick AWB list comparison makes me believe there may be 48,639 pages that are related to comics but are not tagged with {{ comicsproj}}. :( Hiding T 14:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'm running comparisons and whacking the info on wiki at User:Hiding/X3. We'll see if we can't catch 'em all. Hiding T 14:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I just restarted Logicomix, which was AfDed in April. As this was before its English publication in September and its hitting the NYT graphic novels best seller list it was pretty much doomed back then but I think I've had a good stab at proving notability and I imagine, given the press it is getting, that this will only grow but the core is there. However, I wouldn't mind a few eyes on it just to check it is OK for now. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC))
Ah, I thought you were talking about the lead section. For the infobox, I'd leave that parameter blank, if possible. If not, I'd mark it as Greek given that it was published in this language first. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Right now over at Talk:List of superhuman features and abilities in fiction we currently have two debates going on which actually are pretty similar. They are regarding repeating characters to use as examples and using characters currently dead as examples. We've had a few people comment but I wanted to get the opinion of the entire WP to form a more complete consensus. So, please, head over to the talk page and voice your opinion. Thank you. Anakinjmt ( talk) 05:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Nope, I'm not talking about myself! I could use a little help: [24] 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
There is currently talks on the page for the F-15 Eagle jet as to whether the use of F-15s for the Seekers (Starscream, etc) in Transformers is worthy of mentining. We need unbiased input on the issue here Talk:F-15_Eagle#Request_to_add_Transformers_reference Thanks! Mathewignash ( talk) 03:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find any comics project RFC page (other than the archives located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Requests for comment and its' subpages), so I'm putting the request here. I've made a proposal at Talk:List of superhuman features and abilities in fiction#Dropping the requirement for a powers and abilities section in the target article, intended to make it easier to use non-comic examples, and would like more input. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 05:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else think virtually every article listed in the V for Vendetta template could/should be merged or redirected to the main article? The subarticles primarily rely on in-story information for content, and they aren't that big to begin with. WesleyDodds ( talk) 13:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Comics to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 04:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I think we should add Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Popular pages to the main page and/or the bar at the top of the comics pages. :) BOZ ( talk) 23:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Shel Dorf, the founder of the San Diego Comic Con has just passed away, so if there was going to be an article started then no would be the right time when the tributes and obits are doing the rounds, one from Mark Evanier [25]. Or turn the link into a redirect to a redirect to a section on the SDCC page? ( Emperor ( talk) 22:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC))
Well, until we work out a better place:
If someone is a secondary character (ie, not someone like Batman or Spider-Man), is it okay to write about all of their appearances in their article? -- DrBat ( talk) 15:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Series | Issue(s) | Cover date(s) |
---|---|---|
The Amazing Spider-Man | 41 | October 1966 |
43 | December 1966 | |
The Incredible Hulk | 104 | June 1968 |
124 | February 1970 | |
139 | May 1971 | |
157-160 | November 1972 - Februsary 1973 | |
171 | January 1974 |
Series | Issue(s) | Cover date(s) |
---|---|---|
Marvel Treasury Edition | 5 | 1975 |
Spidey Super Stories | 6 | March 1975 |
The Incredible Hulk | 200 | June 1976 |
Marvel Super-Heroes | 58 | July 1976 |
The Defenders | 42-44 | December 1976 - Februsary 1977 |
The Amazing Spider-Man | 170 | July 1977 |
The Incredible Hulk | 218 | December 1977 |
I am sorely tempted to lock up both Rhino and Abomination for several days. It's just shameful what's been going on there lately. Can anyone give me a good reason to not do so? "I will discuss on the talk page from now on instead of edit warring" counts as a good reason, for example. BOZ ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
This topic has been mentioned at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Banning specific editors from pages. Hiding T 11:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
DrBat ( talk · contribs) and Asgardian ( talk · contribs) have been banned from editing Abomination (comics) and Rhino (comics) for one month or until they resolve their dispute. Any edits to the page by either editor during this period will result in an initial block of 24 hours, escalating to a maximum of one month. Hiding T 12:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Pursuant to the above, I have made a request for clarification regarding the above case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae. Hiding T 11:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
To my eye, and not all the scores are on the doors, it looks like we're being suggested to go towards an RFC or blocks + community ban. Note a serving arbitrator supports the fact that, per blocking policy, "A user may be blocked when his or her conduct severely disrupts the project; that is, when his or her conduct is inconsistent with a civil, collegial atmosphere and interferes with the process of editors working together harmoniously to create an encyclopedia." So I'm thinking either an RFC to get clarity on the situation or trust our judgement. Thoughts? Hiding T 19:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so who is going to start it? Any takers? Hiding T 21:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Just coming into this, making list of appearances for characters is a bad idea, as it is simply not good writing. It assumes the appearances are notable in of themselves, and turns the article into an index of appearances, which borders on trivia. WesleyDodds ( talk) 11:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone able to work out what Femizonia (Marvel Comics) is? It looks like a list of alternate Earths in the Marvel Universe to me. Hiding T 21:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
It's the alternative earth that Thundra is from - that article needs serious work.. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 21:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
For anyone looking to improve comics bio articles, the Comics creators articles by quality page is a good place to start. :) We've got 0 FAs, 7 GAs, 23 Bs, 185 Cs, and 2270 among the start and stub categories. ;) Just a thought! BOZ ( talk) 13:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone go have a look, please? It's been going on for a few weeks, it seems. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 16:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Robert Crumb: is it better to have a GFDL licensed "fan" art image than to have no picture at all? I don't think such portraits should be included, but I wanted some wider discussion on this. Fram ( talk) 14:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Portraits are a great solution to the NFCC issue. As mentioned above, they're frequently based on a non-free image, making them non-free. I think that's a pretty good portrait, but if you don't like it, look for the picture it came from on google images. If you find the original, and it's not free, then the portrait should be removed and deleted on NFCC grounds.
There's the issue of whether or not a portrait is good enough, as well. I like the Crumb one, but if I drew a Crumb portrait from memory, it would be so crappy that it's freeness wouldn't matter. If there's consensus that that one sucks that much, that's another reason to remove, although, again, I like it. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 16:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
A discussion is underway at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 55#SPOILER ALERT disclaimers discussing whether spoiler alerts should be added to all articles that cover a fictional topic or if spoilers should be removed by removing all plot summaries from all articles, except for any sentences that can be sourced to secondary sources only. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 04:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just created the stub for it. It's my first article, so input and improvement is welcome. This is Pete Wentz's foray into the comics industry, just like Gerard Way before him. Wonder if it'll be as well received as The Umbrella Academy... BlazerKnight ( talk) 05:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
In light of Template talk:Infobox comics meta series#{{Italic title}} we really should look at this again - and have as much input as possible, not just 2 or 3 like last time. - J Greb ( talk) 20:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[40] - it's just as bad, if not worse, as what was previously going on at Abomination and Rhino. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 13:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
You guys know how to deal with the question at Talk:Meher Baba#In popular culture a lot better than I do. I think any input would be welcome on how to reference the suggested material. John Carter ( talk) 01:50, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Can I get some more eyes on this? Webcomic artist calling out "Wikiassholes" while inserting his "not-for-profit works" image of his own comic into List of webcomics seems to me to run counter to the spirits of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Sharksaredangerous ( talk) 23:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed Siege (comics), which describes itself as a future story-line. Just wanted to put it on the radar. Hiding T 12:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Where should this page lie - Mr. Fantastic or Mister Fantastic? BOZ ( talk) 23:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
By the way - I moved it back earlier. :) BOZ ( talk) 06:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody give me info on getting rid of the roman numerals in comics here? Brian Boru is awesome ( talk) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Brian Boru is awesome ( talk) 22:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Here is a related one for you - issue numbers in storyline sections, see for example Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs). ( Emperor ( talk) 03:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC))
So soon after Shel Dorf dying, so does SDCC's Ken Krueger [41], just nosing around I see he won an Inkpot Award. Not sure if he is notable enough for his own article, but he seems to be the same person as the Kenneth J. Krueger mentioned in Grant-Hadley Enterprises (at least the stories seem parallel so the coincidence in names would be strange), which might suggest his earlier contributions to sci-fi fandom are detailed elsewhere and the two combined could be enough to make a well-rounded article. I'll keep an eye out for more comprehensive obits. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC))
Couple of new things.
I just saw Essential Marvel has the prices in dollars in the lead. Does this seem like a good idea? ( Emperor ( talk) 18:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC))
What do people think about mirroring WikiProject Anime and Manga by becoming WikiProject Comics and Animation? Basically, we'd absorb the animation project and set it up as a work group. Most of it can likely be automated by the bot account. Seems non-controversial given the overlap we have. Thoughts? Hiding T 21:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Asgardian removed the {{ primarysources}} tag, and I questioned why he did this; I placed it back a couple of times and he removed it each time but I'm afraid I just don't get his logic so I'm bringing this here for comment. He seems to agree that the article needs third party sourcing, but that "it is a moot point for all of them. Someone needs to write an A-Z volume" according to one of his edit summaries. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 04:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I also restored the templates to Mephisto (comics) just now. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 04:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 02:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, the GAN for Boys' Ranch is open, and the original nominator has stepped back as no longer inclined to work on it. I think with just a little work it can be pushed to be a solid Good Article. A modicum of knowledge to tweak the small amount of jargon, clarify sourcing, etc., will help. If anybody from this WikiProject is willing to step up and pitch in that'd be great. Thanks! – Whitehorse1 16:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
As I mentioned previously, the edit warring is really bad at Juggernaut (comics). 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 16:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
A pair of anon users has been busily adding those little collapsable boxes at the bottom of articles. In some cases, there seems to be a bit of an overload with several on the same page now, and a lot of these appear to be tangential connections. Just bringing this here for discussion. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 13:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A bit complex (see here for details): There was a recent AFD which closed as a merge of the creator to their webcomic but this was contested and the discussion has washed up here: Talk:Newshounds#Merge of Thomas K. Dye. It'd be handy to have more input so as to resolve this. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC))
You beat me to it by four minutes. Also posting to the Biog WikProject. Fences& Windows 01:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
This has been a recurring problem with the "Black Lantern Corps" but I think it may be more widespread.
I know the argument has been put forth that the statement "I, a reader of the comic, can clearly identify, by appearance only, the character as it appears in the comic. Even though the character is not identified in any of the text in the comic." amounts to an OR sourcing.
Have we as a project gone over this and said "Yup, unacceptable sourcing"?
If we have, can we get it added to either WP:CMC/REF or WP:CMOS?
If we haven't, can we at least try to hash this out?
- J Greb ( talk) 23:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
“ | Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Without a secondary source, a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages from the novel to describe the plot, but any interpretation of those passages needs a secondary source. Do not make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about information found in a primary source. | ” |
I dunno.
While I agree with characters shrouded in mist, or in shadow being WP:OR, I don't think a character clearly indicated in an image is OR.
And the argument about who could be in the costume would seem to be a red herring. And techincally, at any time they can "change" the past and claim something new. "That wasn't Booster Gold in the Nova costume, it was actually someone else in the costume."
That's like questioning whether an appearance by Ronald Reagan was him, or a body double.
I don't think we presume OR in those cases, so I don't think we should in this.
So I think identifying that Superman appears in an image with other heroes is perfectly fine under: "a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge.".
If the text says that these are the new JLA, and show these characters, who are easily identifiable, then I don't see WP:OR.
Or am I missing something here? - jc37 18:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Previously, we looked at the issues surrounding separate articles for characters and their comic books. This can work with big names but seems to run into difficulty beyond that as it often spreads the same material across too rather thin articles.
Now we have a new batch:
Iron Man and Hercules I might buy, as long-running characters with large articles of their own it could make some sense, but the Ares one is far trickier - the main article is hardly stuffed to the gills and I'm not sure what unique content can be added to the comic book article. If it was award-winning and had a lot of reviews it might be independently notable, with enough material to provide a well-fleshed out article but unless something special turns up it looks like the best it can hope for is a slightly longer version of the plot already in the main characters article.
Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 05:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC))