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What is the difference between Category:Broadcasters and Category:Media personalities? In both, the subcategories Category:Television personalities and Category:Radio personalities seem to contain most of the articles in the tree. I got no response to this question on Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Media. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
What's the best DEFAULTSORT (if any) for places such as La Paz and El Salvador? (Previous discussion: User talk:Fuddle#La Paz.) Certes ( talk) 22:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I believe that we're on the same page about the grammar of emigration and immigration: emigrants are "from" the place they left, and immigrants go "to" the place they're arriving in. This is borne out in article space by titles I've searched. Unfortuately the categories are uniformly backwards:
So our entire category tree - all the way back up to Category:Emigrants has, in my view, a problem of grammar. If we reach consensus about correcting the format, we can, and should, apply it uniformly across hundreds and hundreds of categories. Rather than nominate them all en masse at CFD, I've come here for an informal check first.
We do have Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to the United States and Category:Emigrants from the Russian Empire to the United States. There are a few other examples. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
We also have Category:Kingdom of the Two Sicilies emigrants to the United States. Category:Emigrants from British India is not well developed, and I think uses inconsistent names. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
It has 3 cats that use British India emigrants to x, and 4 that use British India emigrants or migrants. Non use British Indian. British modifies India, not the people. This is another matter we have not teased out well, how to handle changing entities that use the same name. We have some interesting sub-cats under say Category:Chinese emigrants to the United States. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
In my last example I think the worst is Qing dynasty emigrants to the United States. I think "dynasty" tends to much towards denoting the ruling family, especially since they were not Han Chinese. I think if we want to express that idea it should be Category:Qing Empire emigrants to the United States or even better Category:Emigrants from the Qing Empire to the United States. However I think that this is not needed. I think in the case of China we should use the form Emigrants from China to the United States. I think the Hong Kong Category should be renamed Category:Emigrants from Hong Kong to the United States. I think we should create Category:Emigrants from British Hong Kong to the United States for those who were in the US before the 1997 transfer of control. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I think this using the from OO to D form would make things a lot better and a lot more clear. There may be a few edge cases where we may need to come up with a way to better that the mess. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
This would also be a good chance to fix the mess that is Category:British emigrants. If we used Category:Emigrants from the United Kingdom to the United States things would be more straight forward. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Of course this would also open another question. Should the categories be French expatriates in the United States or Category:Expatriates of France in the United States. I am thinking the later is a better form. I think we also need to establish at least that people do not belong in both trees. I have seen too many cases where someone in Category:Expatriate British sportspeople in the United States or its subcategories was also in Category:British emigrants to the United States or its subcategories. With that tree, if someone comes to the US as a child before they are involved in playing the sport at least at a level that would cause direct recruitment, they belong in the emigrants cat. The extricate sportspeople cat is for nationals of one country who come to play the sport in another country, not for natives of a country who move to a new country and later take up a sport so they become notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
We also need to make sure cat parenting is correct. Category:British India army offices is one example. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I think it is Category:British Indian Army officers. It was a sub-cat of Category:British people in colonial India. However that was not right because we had multiple articles on people who were not British. So I removed that cat. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
Are there any statistics on
- new categories created per month
- list of categories by number of visits? Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 12:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization § RfC: should templates and template categories roll up into related content categories. — andrybak ( talk) 02:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Greetings. Cats are really not an area of expertise for me, so I tend to follow along with what other editors suggest on cats on pages. My feeble understanding of cats is that cats are redundant when the cat is a sub-cat of another. For example, you wouldn't put both Category:Silent American comedy films and Category:American comedy films, since the former is a subcat of the latter. You would only put the former, since it's more specific. I've been creating a bunch of articles on old political figures in Arizona, and I was tagging them with the Category:Arizona state senators. Another editor began adding Category:Arizona politicians. Since neither is a subcat of the other, I began to do it to save other editors' time. However, recently another editor deleted the politician cat from one of my articles, stating it's redundant. I really don't care one way or the other, just seeking some guidance so I don't cause work for other editors. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 21:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I am not a new editor and have created four categories before now, but I have a question on this one and I wanted to ask to make sure that this one would be correct to make before publishing. I was trying to find examples of artwork that has its own Wikipedia article that depicts the Rosary in it (such as this, this, and this), while trying to improve the page for the Rosary. I had a hard time finding these articles though and it made me think, would a category make this easier? As far as I am aware, categories starting with "Paintings depicting..." do not exist, which is why I wanted to ask here first as to not have the category be nominated for deletion if created. Categories such as "Paintings of..." do exist, but I am hesitant to name the category that, as these paintings do not have the Rosary as the primary focus in them, but they do "depict" them. Any feedback is very much appreciated, thanks! Johnson524 ( Talk!) 03:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Why just paintings? A category like this is usually called Category:Foo in art, and rightly so. In general such a category is only worth establishing if you are prepared to do a reasonable amount of work filling it. I'd think you shouldn't bother, on the whole. Johnbod ( talk) 17:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Not done Okay @ Jim.henderson: after clicking on every result (with a name) from the Wikidata search @ Pharos: suggested, plus the three articles I found before, I am left with six total articles that could be placed into this category, being 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. I feel like there is enough paintings to warrant the creation of the category and would be helpful for those people who have a very similar search of mine and don't want to search through the Wikidata items, plus it has room for expansion.
With all of that being said though, this would be a very specific category to create, and would not be useful to 99% of readers, and reading over every comment up until this point, none have really supported the creation of the category either, so I don't think I will make it. Thank you truly for all of your help, I definitely learned a lot about categories regardless. Wishing you all the best 🙂 Johnson524 ( Talk!) 01:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
It's come to my attention that the footballers' positions categories are quite overpopulated, they range from 15,000+ to 45,000+. Should they be sub-categorised by players' nationalities or clubs? I thought that I would ask here instead of beginning to do sub-categorising and making mistakes. Or are these categories not overpopulated enough - as in, is there a specific limit in which a category is listed as overpopulated? SarahTHunter ( talk) 18:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I had noticed that there seems to be tons of categories that are “school” alumni, but some are Alumni of “school”. Is there a proper or perferred manner?
My question was prompted by noticing a category such as Category:Alumni by university or college in the United Kingdom, different from Category:Alumni by university or college in Japan.
Thank you. Ebbedlila ( talk) 17:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
It's an Eng-Var thing. I think that the UK version is mire logical but cannot get support for it outside the British Isles. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 18:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
On the community portal page, under the "Fix Wikilinks" heading, there is a list of articles with various problems with links: too many, too few, orphaned pages, etc. But the "more" link below the brief list goes to Category:All_articles_with_too_few_wikilinks only. Is there a way to link to a broader category of articles with wikilink problems instead? 184.67.135.194 ( talk) 21:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
I was working on Killing of Mykhailo Korenovsky and thought that Category Civilian casualties was a bit broad, noting that within that category most people killed in wars were in subcategories about that war. So I created Category:Civilians killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine and added him to it.
Then I went to see who else should be in the category, and found that Category:People killed in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine exists. But not as a sub category of Civilian categories.
So I see some duplication, and I decided to stop doing anything and get some input from people who have more experience of this.... CT55555( talk) 16:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
A small question to ask for anyone who is a fan of winter sports: is biathlon a skiing event or something completely different? I've added a sub cat for skiers from Ljubljana in the city's sportspeople category and there is a handful of biathletes who come from the Slovenian capital city. Should biathletes come under the skiers' sub cat or left out? SarahTHunter ( talk) 11:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
the biathlon is a winter sport that combines cross-country skiing and rifle shooting.' Article Biathlon is found in Category:Cross-country skiing and Category:Rifle shooting sports, and Category:Biathletes is in Category:Cross-country skiers and Category:Sport shooters by type. In my opinion, you can perfectly replicate this structure at lower levels such as the national level. I guess that in the official communication of Olympics events it appears as a separate sport in the full list of events, but then again in the same list the Nordic combined will appear separately from cross-country skiing and ski jumping, or Short-track speed skating separately from speed skating. Place Clichy ( talk) 08:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi all! The Uncategorized Pages category has been absolutely full of templates for a couple of months now, and it's only getting worse. I'd like to bring this to the group to see if we can come up with a solution. Templates are way harder to categorize since you can't use hotcat, and uncategorized templates are a relatively minor issue compared to uncategorized pages (imo). Is there a way to either remove the uncategorized tag from templates (perhaps creating a separate tag for uncategorized template?) or restructure the category page to exclude templates? Niftysquirrel ( talk) 23:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello. The instructions say to ask the editor who deleted the category after a deletion nomination has passed. There is a 2007 category a few editors would like to return, and I've pinged the editor who deleted it in 2007 but they only seem to edit Wikipedia every couple of months. Is there a procedure for returning a long-ago deletion aside from requesting guidance from the original 2007 deleter? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Project members might be interested in this ongoing discussion at WikiProject Albums:
Participation welcome. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. On the article Killing of Brianna Ghey, I added Category:Deaths by stabbing in England as it seemed to be the most specific category to use. Jim Michael 2 has changed this a couple of times now to instead be Category:Stabbing attacks in England. In the edit summary of Jim's most recent revert he said "that's for Brianna Ghey redirect".
I
asked Jim on his talk page about this, his response was that The Deaths by x cats are for bios. This is an article about a killing, so it should be on the redirect & is.
and that it is common practice for Deaths by cats to be for bios & redirects of people's names
. When I asked him for the the policy, guideline, or consensus for where that practice was established he was unable to do so.
It's my understanding that articles should be placed into the most specific categories which logically apply based on the article content, in line with WP:CATSPECIFIC. To me that would be the "deaths by stabbing" category, as this is an article about a death by stabbing. Is Jim correct here, that only the Brianna Ghey redirect should be in "deaths by stabbing", and the main article should be in "stabbing attacks"? If so, could someone please point out the relevant policy, guideline, or consensus where that practice was established? Thanks. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 21:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm saying that's how it's always been doneIf this is how things have always been done, then that is a consensus. Because that is a consensus, there must be somewhere where that consensus was agreed upon and established.
There is a clear and overwhelming consensus that Jim Michael 2 has been disruptive and bludgeoning in discussions concerning articles about years and that a topic ban is appropriate. Therefore Jim Michael 2 is indefinitely topic banned from articles about years, broadly construed.Kire1975 ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
I am in the process of doing a GAR for Thomas Johnston (engraver). That article has a See also section that gave me some ideas for (I think) new Categories that Wikipedia doesn't have and that I think would prove useful. I'd like to know from this WikiProject how to go about establishing the new categories of American Colonial organ builders, American Colonial engravers, and American Colonial printers. Shearonink ( talk) 18:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to notify people here of an
RFC I started. Quoting the question here: can we categorize an organization as an "organization opposed to LGBT/transgender rights" in an instance where the organization is known for opposing a particular LGBT right, but the sources mentioning that don't say it's a right? For the simplest example: if an organization is known for campaigning against same-sex marriage, are our criteria for categorizing them as "an organization that opposes LGBT rights" based on 1) whether the WP:RS commenting on their opposition to same-sex marriage explicitly call same-sex marriage an LGBT right or 2) whether WP:RS generally consider same-sex marriage an LGBT right?
TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (
talk) 17:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I created this category Category:2020s Mexican television series by genre back on March 4 and it shows the error message "Invalid page name. Template:Decade nationality television series category is for use only on category pages whose title is of the form "YYY0s Fooish television series", where YYY0s is a 4-digit decade and "Fooish" is a nationality (e.g. "South African" or "Japanese")." Can someone figure this out? Did I do something wrong or does the header templates not recognize 2020s series by genre? WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 23:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
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as does
Category:2000s Mexican television series by genre. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 17:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I just noticed this [1] edit. @ Dancing Dollar, I see you're making many similar edits. [2] [3] Why is emptying Category:Black people in art a good idea? I don't see the sense of it. And other editors, do you agree it's a good idea? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Olaudah Equiano is in Nigerian people categories, but Nigeria didn't exist until long after his death. Is this permitted? I assume it is permitted for names which were in use before the modern state existed, like "China" or "Germany", but I don't know what is preferred in a situation like this. (Did the name "Nigeria" exist in the 18th century?) — Lights and freedom ( talk ~ contribs) 03:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I've been coming across a recurring issue of late which I wanted to bring to the WikiProject's attention. I've previously posted about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France, but got no response there,
For the past several months, there have been at least two or three cases per week of Category:WikiProject Europe articles and Category:WikiProject France articles showing up (virtually always together) on mainspace, draft or user sandbox articles instead of on the talk pages. Now, obviously, established Wikipedians know how those categories work and would never do that at all — but by and large, these articles are created by new users, and it's rarely if ever the same new user twice.
But it's incredibly unlikely that genuinely new users would even know about the existence of WikiProject categories in the first place, and even more unlikely that so many different new users would repeat the same error over and over again all by themselves unless they were somehow being told that they were supposed to do that. No other WikiProject category ever sees this happen anywhere near as often; Belgium occasionally shows up in the polluted category reports but usually does not (and if it does, it's inevitably also paired with WikiProject Europe on the same page), and it's exceedigly rare for any other "WikiProject [projectname] articles" category to ever show up there at all, but Europe and France have become categories I have to check daily for misfiled articles. (There isn't always a page there every time, but it happens frequently enough that I can never just let it slide a day without checking.) The French Wikipedia does not, as far as I can tell, place WikiProject categories on articles, so this isn't simply a carry-over from established French-Wikipedia practice either. So really the only thing I can think of is that some kind of documentation somewhere is somehow giving new editors the mistaken impression that those categories belong on the articles.
So does anybody have any ideas about this, and how we can make it stop? Bearcat ( talk) 20:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization#Category size question. If someone knows the answer it would be great. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 02:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I was planning on creating the tree Category:Assassinated American politicians by state (under Category:Assassinated American politicians) and populate it with subcategories like Category:Assassinated California American politicians. My intention is for subcategories not about politicians born or resident of a given state but who were serving or served a jurisdiction in the given state. But given that some of my created categories have proved controversial and been subject to CfDs, I decided to ask for opinions on the matter beforehand. Thoughts? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the Category:Assassinated American politicians doesn't get many views. Maybe an average of 5 daily. At first I was thinking it could be that the term is not searched much in engines. According to Google Books Ngram Viewer, there are no valid ngrams to plot. According to Google Trends, there is not enough data to show. One would be inclined to conclude that the search term is at fault.
But then I also noticed that the List of assassinated American politicians in contrast has an average of more than 200 views daily. Then my question is, why the difference in views? How do people land in the list more than in the category page? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 22:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion concerning changing the text and minimums of WP:SMALLCAT at Wikipedia_talk:Overcategorization#Definitions_of_WP:SMALLCAT,_potential_for_growth,_and_unpopulated_categories. - jc37 16:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, is there a tool that, given a category that's well-populated on another language wiki, quickly populate the enwiki version of the category with articles that exist on both language wikis?
E.g. Category A on jawiki contains 100 pages and I just created the same category on enwiki, and I want to add all the pages that exist on both wikis to the enwiki version. toobigtokale ( talk) 01:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
I've come across many different category problems within tennis-related articles (though similar problems exist in other categories too). Here are some examples:
Each of these examples is a just a representative of many similar occurrences. All of these problems can be fixed manually of course, but there are so many of them, and finding them and fixing them is a very labour-intensive process. Any suggestions on how to simplify or automate or semi-automate the process of identifying such problems and of fixing them?. Colonies Chris ( talk) 19:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Fractions in category names. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 20:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
I notice we do not only have Category:Heads of government but also Category:Prime ministers. The biggest difference that I noticed is that the tree of Category:Heads of government also contains presidents subcats. If that is the main difference indeed I wonder if the heads of government tree is redundant and if we can just keep the presidents and prime ministers tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments.)
Courtesy link: Talk:Black market in wartime France § Other countries
Although we have Category:Black markets, "Surely there were black markets in other countries?" (quoted from the link). Shouldn't we have, Category:Black markets by country under that? Please advise. Mathglot ( talk) 23:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth § Should SmallCat continue to be a guideline. A smart kitten ( talk) 11:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
What is the protocol for categories that only have one page in them? While doing some work for WP:Louisiana I noticed someone create a new category for something that only has one page that could go inside. Louisiana Tech Lady Techsters soccer features the information for former coaches which in turn is in the catevory created today that I am concerned about is "Louisiana Tech Lady Techsters soccer coaches".
Ktkvtsh ( talk) 23:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Template:R from deadname has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 30 § Template:R from deadname until a consensus is reached.
I’m notifying WP:CATP as one of the options is to turn Template:R from deadname into its own rcat, which would then result in the creation of Category:Redirects from deadnames or similar. Best, A smart kitten ( talk) 17:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking about creating a category for events mentioned in the song "We Didn't Start the Fire," but I can definitely see how that could be considered trivial. Certainly the election of Harry Truman is not most notable for its inclusion in a Billy Joel song, but there are song events that are arguably best remembered for their inclusion in the song ( Syringe Tide comes to mind). I feel that this could be a useful category, but would like others' input. Remainsuncertain ( talk) 21:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
This categories seem to mirror each other. Category:Crime by century and Category:Crimes by century. Thoughts? Regards,-- Thinker78 (talk) 03:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Enforcement of WP:OCEPON seems to be particularly focused on eponymous categories for bands (at least when compared to other topics like political parties). I created Category:Greta Van Fleet earlier this year and it was deleted on this basis so I was wondering how big does a category have to be for it to be considered worthy? Charles Essie ( talk) 20:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I was wondering if there is a way to know how many entries a deleted category had at any given time. Specifically in this case, Category:Assassinated American former and incumbent party officials. Regards, -- Thinker78 (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
I ran a Petscan query including Category:Homicide and Category:Politicians but for some reason, Zeus showed up, no idea why. Anyone knows why and how to find out? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 01:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Caste-related category questions, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello! What's the best way to remove the Cuisine by country category from this archive page: Talk:Cuisine of Luxembourg/Archive 1? It was linked by someone in a discussion thread and I don't want to modify any of the content since archive content generally should not be edited. BaduFerreira ( talk) 13:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion that may be of your interest about a Request for comment on replacement to SmallCat guideline. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
A category or list of "Bills left unsigned by US President that became law" would be useful for research.
I am thinking it might be more appropriate as a list but I could use some guidance.
I could not find an existing similar category or list. Mike Richardson ( talk) 05:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 4 § Category:Fair use images. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Dear Categoryographers,
I know how to use Special:CategoryTree to find the tree of subcategories of a given category. But suppose I just wanted the list of articles that belong to a category or its subcategories? For a high-level category like Category:Mathematics, it's totally infeasible to construct this by hand from the tree; is there a better way?
Thanks, JBL ( talk) 19:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Most categories are subcats of Mathematics by some devious route., I think what is shown here is that "Most articles are in subcats of Mathematics by some devious route." Not quite the same. Pam D 22:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional doves and pigeons is inside Category:Fictional Columbidae, which is inside Category:Fictional doves and pigeons. Given that "doves and pigeons" is the exact same thing as Columbidae, what should we do? Kk.urban ( talk) 03:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
{{
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.refers to undomesticated animal species, but has come to include all organisms that grow or live wild in an area, so it could be interpreted as another synonym for Fauna or as a wider class including flora etc. which sounds like a parent category rather than a subcat. Perhaps the problem is that many categories lack precise definitions (or that I'm too thick to find them). Certes ( talk) 22:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Message here BinaryBrainBug ( talk) 20:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
There seems to be issues with PetScan. Are there alternatives to it? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
®exp_filter
bug (i.e. if PetScan fails, check all the tabs and fields for "®exp_filter") that's still not fixed.
85.76.13.79 (
talk) 12:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Now the situation of Petscan is worse. Can't even access the tool and there is instead some message, "Wikimedia Cloud Services Error. This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project." Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
{{ Import from list}}. Sometimes, a list article has more bluelinked entries than a corresponding category. The idea is that this template would be placed on the category page. Thoughts? Mach61 ( talk) 02:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Please see the RFC at Talk:Max Mallowan#RFC about categorisation -- wooden superman 15:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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What is the difference between Category:Broadcasters and Category:Media personalities? In both, the subcategories Category:Television personalities and Category:Radio personalities seem to contain most of the articles in the tree. I got no response to this question on Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Media. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
What's the best DEFAULTSORT (if any) for places such as La Paz and El Salvador? (Previous discussion: User talk:Fuddle#La Paz.) Certes ( talk) 22:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I believe that we're on the same page about the grammar of emigration and immigration: emigrants are "from" the place they left, and immigrants go "to" the place they're arriving in. This is borne out in article space by titles I've searched. Unfortuately the categories are uniformly backwards:
So our entire category tree - all the way back up to Category:Emigrants has, in my view, a problem of grammar. If we reach consensus about correcting the format, we can, and should, apply it uniformly across hundreds and hundreds of categories. Rather than nominate them all en masse at CFD, I've come here for an informal check first.
We do have Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to the United States and Category:Emigrants from the Russian Empire to the United States. There are a few other examples. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
We also have Category:Kingdom of the Two Sicilies emigrants to the United States. Category:Emigrants from British India is not well developed, and I think uses inconsistent names. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
It has 3 cats that use British India emigrants to x, and 4 that use British India emigrants or migrants. Non use British Indian. British modifies India, not the people. This is another matter we have not teased out well, how to handle changing entities that use the same name. We have some interesting sub-cats under say Category:Chinese emigrants to the United States. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
In my last example I think the worst is Qing dynasty emigrants to the United States. I think "dynasty" tends to much towards denoting the ruling family, especially since they were not Han Chinese. I think if we want to express that idea it should be Category:Qing Empire emigrants to the United States or even better Category:Emigrants from the Qing Empire to the United States. However I think that this is not needed. I think in the case of China we should use the form Emigrants from China to the United States. I think the Hong Kong Category should be renamed Category:Emigrants from Hong Kong to the United States. I think we should create Category:Emigrants from British Hong Kong to the United States for those who were in the US before the 1997 transfer of control. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I think this using the from OO to D form would make things a lot better and a lot more clear. There may be a few edge cases where we may need to come up with a way to better that the mess. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
This would also be a good chance to fix the mess that is Category:British emigrants. If we used Category:Emigrants from the United Kingdom to the United States things would be more straight forward. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Of course this would also open another question. Should the categories be French expatriates in the United States or Category:Expatriates of France in the United States. I am thinking the later is a better form. I think we also need to establish at least that people do not belong in both trees. I have seen too many cases where someone in Category:Expatriate British sportspeople in the United States or its subcategories was also in Category:British emigrants to the United States or its subcategories. With that tree, if someone comes to the US as a child before they are involved in playing the sport at least at a level that would cause direct recruitment, they belong in the emigrants cat. The extricate sportspeople cat is for nationals of one country who come to play the sport in another country, not for natives of a country who move to a new country and later take up a sport so they become notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
We also need to make sure cat parenting is correct. Category:British India army offices is one example. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I think it is Category:British Indian Army officers. It was a sub-cat of Category:British people in colonial India. However that was not right because we had multiple articles on people who were not British. So I removed that cat. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
Are there any statistics on
- new categories created per month
- list of categories by number of visits? Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 12:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization § RfC: should templates and template categories roll up into related content categories. — andrybak ( talk) 02:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Greetings. Cats are really not an area of expertise for me, so I tend to follow along with what other editors suggest on cats on pages. My feeble understanding of cats is that cats are redundant when the cat is a sub-cat of another. For example, you wouldn't put both Category:Silent American comedy films and Category:American comedy films, since the former is a subcat of the latter. You would only put the former, since it's more specific. I've been creating a bunch of articles on old political figures in Arizona, and I was tagging them with the Category:Arizona state senators. Another editor began adding Category:Arizona politicians. Since neither is a subcat of the other, I began to do it to save other editors' time. However, recently another editor deleted the politician cat from one of my articles, stating it's redundant. I really don't care one way or the other, just seeking some guidance so I don't cause work for other editors. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 21:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I am not a new editor and have created four categories before now, but I have a question on this one and I wanted to ask to make sure that this one would be correct to make before publishing. I was trying to find examples of artwork that has its own Wikipedia article that depicts the Rosary in it (such as this, this, and this), while trying to improve the page for the Rosary. I had a hard time finding these articles though and it made me think, would a category make this easier? As far as I am aware, categories starting with "Paintings depicting..." do not exist, which is why I wanted to ask here first as to not have the category be nominated for deletion if created. Categories such as "Paintings of..." do exist, but I am hesitant to name the category that, as these paintings do not have the Rosary as the primary focus in them, but they do "depict" them. Any feedback is very much appreciated, thanks! Johnson524 ( Talk!) 03:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Why just paintings? A category like this is usually called Category:Foo in art, and rightly so. In general such a category is only worth establishing if you are prepared to do a reasonable amount of work filling it. I'd think you shouldn't bother, on the whole. Johnbod ( talk) 17:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Not done Okay @ Jim.henderson: after clicking on every result (with a name) from the Wikidata search @ Pharos: suggested, plus the three articles I found before, I am left with six total articles that could be placed into this category, being 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. I feel like there is enough paintings to warrant the creation of the category and would be helpful for those people who have a very similar search of mine and don't want to search through the Wikidata items, plus it has room for expansion.
With all of that being said though, this would be a very specific category to create, and would not be useful to 99% of readers, and reading over every comment up until this point, none have really supported the creation of the category either, so I don't think I will make it. Thank you truly for all of your help, I definitely learned a lot about categories regardless. Wishing you all the best 🙂 Johnson524 ( Talk!) 01:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
It's come to my attention that the footballers' positions categories are quite overpopulated, they range from 15,000+ to 45,000+. Should they be sub-categorised by players' nationalities or clubs? I thought that I would ask here instead of beginning to do sub-categorising and making mistakes. Or are these categories not overpopulated enough - as in, is there a specific limit in which a category is listed as overpopulated? SarahTHunter ( talk) 18:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I had noticed that there seems to be tons of categories that are “school” alumni, but some are Alumni of “school”. Is there a proper or perferred manner?
My question was prompted by noticing a category such as Category:Alumni by university or college in the United Kingdom, different from Category:Alumni by university or college in Japan.
Thank you. Ebbedlila ( talk) 17:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
It's an Eng-Var thing. I think that the UK version is mire logical but cannot get support for it outside the British Isles. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 18:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
On the community portal page, under the "Fix Wikilinks" heading, there is a list of articles with various problems with links: too many, too few, orphaned pages, etc. But the "more" link below the brief list goes to Category:All_articles_with_too_few_wikilinks only. Is there a way to link to a broader category of articles with wikilink problems instead? 184.67.135.194 ( talk) 21:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
I was working on Killing of Mykhailo Korenovsky and thought that Category Civilian casualties was a bit broad, noting that within that category most people killed in wars were in subcategories about that war. So I created Category:Civilians killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine and added him to it.
Then I went to see who else should be in the category, and found that Category:People killed in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine exists. But not as a sub category of Civilian categories.
So I see some duplication, and I decided to stop doing anything and get some input from people who have more experience of this.... CT55555( talk) 16:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
A small question to ask for anyone who is a fan of winter sports: is biathlon a skiing event or something completely different? I've added a sub cat for skiers from Ljubljana in the city's sportspeople category and there is a handful of biathletes who come from the Slovenian capital city. Should biathletes come under the skiers' sub cat or left out? SarahTHunter ( talk) 11:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
the biathlon is a winter sport that combines cross-country skiing and rifle shooting.' Article Biathlon is found in Category:Cross-country skiing and Category:Rifle shooting sports, and Category:Biathletes is in Category:Cross-country skiers and Category:Sport shooters by type. In my opinion, you can perfectly replicate this structure at lower levels such as the national level. I guess that in the official communication of Olympics events it appears as a separate sport in the full list of events, but then again in the same list the Nordic combined will appear separately from cross-country skiing and ski jumping, or Short-track speed skating separately from speed skating. Place Clichy ( talk) 08:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi all! The Uncategorized Pages category has been absolutely full of templates for a couple of months now, and it's only getting worse. I'd like to bring this to the group to see if we can come up with a solution. Templates are way harder to categorize since you can't use hotcat, and uncategorized templates are a relatively minor issue compared to uncategorized pages (imo). Is there a way to either remove the uncategorized tag from templates (perhaps creating a separate tag for uncategorized template?) or restructure the category page to exclude templates? Niftysquirrel ( talk) 23:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello. The instructions say to ask the editor who deleted the category after a deletion nomination has passed. There is a 2007 category a few editors would like to return, and I've pinged the editor who deleted it in 2007 but they only seem to edit Wikipedia every couple of months. Is there a procedure for returning a long-ago deletion aside from requesting guidance from the original 2007 deleter? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Project members might be interested in this ongoing discussion at WikiProject Albums:
Participation welcome. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. On the article Killing of Brianna Ghey, I added Category:Deaths by stabbing in England as it seemed to be the most specific category to use. Jim Michael 2 has changed this a couple of times now to instead be Category:Stabbing attacks in England. In the edit summary of Jim's most recent revert he said "that's for Brianna Ghey redirect".
I
asked Jim on his talk page about this, his response was that The Deaths by x cats are for bios. This is an article about a killing, so it should be on the redirect & is.
and that it is common practice for Deaths by cats to be for bios & redirects of people's names
. When I asked him for the the policy, guideline, or consensus for where that practice was established he was unable to do so.
It's my understanding that articles should be placed into the most specific categories which logically apply based on the article content, in line with WP:CATSPECIFIC. To me that would be the "deaths by stabbing" category, as this is an article about a death by stabbing. Is Jim correct here, that only the Brianna Ghey redirect should be in "deaths by stabbing", and the main article should be in "stabbing attacks"? If so, could someone please point out the relevant policy, guideline, or consensus where that practice was established? Thanks. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 21:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm saying that's how it's always been doneIf this is how things have always been done, then that is a consensus. Because that is a consensus, there must be somewhere where that consensus was agreed upon and established.
There is a clear and overwhelming consensus that Jim Michael 2 has been disruptive and bludgeoning in discussions concerning articles about years and that a topic ban is appropriate. Therefore Jim Michael 2 is indefinitely topic banned from articles about years, broadly construed.Kire1975 ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
I am in the process of doing a GAR for Thomas Johnston (engraver). That article has a See also section that gave me some ideas for (I think) new Categories that Wikipedia doesn't have and that I think would prove useful. I'd like to know from this WikiProject how to go about establishing the new categories of American Colonial organ builders, American Colonial engravers, and American Colonial printers. Shearonink ( talk) 18:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to notify people here of an
RFC I started. Quoting the question here: can we categorize an organization as an "organization opposed to LGBT/transgender rights" in an instance where the organization is known for opposing a particular LGBT right, but the sources mentioning that don't say it's a right? For the simplest example: if an organization is known for campaigning against same-sex marriage, are our criteria for categorizing them as "an organization that opposes LGBT rights" based on 1) whether the WP:RS commenting on their opposition to same-sex marriage explicitly call same-sex marriage an LGBT right or 2) whether WP:RS generally consider same-sex marriage an LGBT right?
TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (
talk) 17:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I created this category Category:2020s Mexican television series by genre back on March 4 and it shows the error message "Invalid page name. Template:Decade nationality television series category is for use only on category pages whose title is of the form "YYY0s Fooish television series", where YYY0s is a 4-digit decade and "Fooish" is a nationality (e.g. "South African" or "Japanese")." Can someone figure this out? Did I do something wrong or does the header templates not recognize 2020s series by genre? WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 23:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
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as does
Category:2000s Mexican television series by genre. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 17:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I just noticed this [1] edit. @ Dancing Dollar, I see you're making many similar edits. [2] [3] Why is emptying Category:Black people in art a good idea? I don't see the sense of it. And other editors, do you agree it's a good idea? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Olaudah Equiano is in Nigerian people categories, but Nigeria didn't exist until long after his death. Is this permitted? I assume it is permitted for names which were in use before the modern state existed, like "China" or "Germany", but I don't know what is preferred in a situation like this. (Did the name "Nigeria" exist in the 18th century?) — Lights and freedom ( talk ~ contribs) 03:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I've been coming across a recurring issue of late which I wanted to bring to the WikiProject's attention. I've previously posted about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France, but got no response there,
For the past several months, there have been at least two or three cases per week of Category:WikiProject Europe articles and Category:WikiProject France articles showing up (virtually always together) on mainspace, draft or user sandbox articles instead of on the talk pages. Now, obviously, established Wikipedians know how those categories work and would never do that at all — but by and large, these articles are created by new users, and it's rarely if ever the same new user twice.
But it's incredibly unlikely that genuinely new users would even know about the existence of WikiProject categories in the first place, and even more unlikely that so many different new users would repeat the same error over and over again all by themselves unless they were somehow being told that they were supposed to do that. No other WikiProject category ever sees this happen anywhere near as often; Belgium occasionally shows up in the polluted category reports but usually does not (and if it does, it's inevitably also paired with WikiProject Europe on the same page), and it's exceedigly rare for any other "WikiProject [projectname] articles" category to ever show up there at all, but Europe and France have become categories I have to check daily for misfiled articles. (There isn't always a page there every time, but it happens frequently enough that I can never just let it slide a day without checking.) The French Wikipedia does not, as far as I can tell, place WikiProject categories on articles, so this isn't simply a carry-over from established French-Wikipedia practice either. So really the only thing I can think of is that some kind of documentation somewhere is somehow giving new editors the mistaken impression that those categories belong on the articles.
So does anybody have any ideas about this, and how we can make it stop? Bearcat ( talk) 20:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization#Category size question. If someone knows the answer it would be great. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 02:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I was planning on creating the tree Category:Assassinated American politicians by state (under Category:Assassinated American politicians) and populate it with subcategories like Category:Assassinated California American politicians. My intention is for subcategories not about politicians born or resident of a given state but who were serving or served a jurisdiction in the given state. But given that some of my created categories have proved controversial and been subject to CfDs, I decided to ask for opinions on the matter beforehand. Thoughts? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the Category:Assassinated American politicians doesn't get many views. Maybe an average of 5 daily. At first I was thinking it could be that the term is not searched much in engines. According to Google Books Ngram Viewer, there are no valid ngrams to plot. According to Google Trends, there is not enough data to show. One would be inclined to conclude that the search term is at fault.
But then I also noticed that the List of assassinated American politicians in contrast has an average of more than 200 views daily. Then my question is, why the difference in views? How do people land in the list more than in the category page? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 22:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion concerning changing the text and minimums of WP:SMALLCAT at Wikipedia_talk:Overcategorization#Definitions_of_WP:SMALLCAT,_potential_for_growth,_and_unpopulated_categories. - jc37 16:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, is there a tool that, given a category that's well-populated on another language wiki, quickly populate the enwiki version of the category with articles that exist on both language wikis?
E.g. Category A on jawiki contains 100 pages and I just created the same category on enwiki, and I want to add all the pages that exist on both wikis to the enwiki version. toobigtokale ( talk) 01:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
I've come across many different category problems within tennis-related articles (though similar problems exist in other categories too). Here are some examples:
Each of these examples is a just a representative of many similar occurrences. All of these problems can be fixed manually of course, but there are so many of them, and finding them and fixing them is a very labour-intensive process. Any suggestions on how to simplify or automate or semi-automate the process of identifying such problems and of fixing them?. Colonies Chris ( talk) 19:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Fractions in category names. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 20:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
I notice we do not only have Category:Heads of government but also Category:Prime ministers. The biggest difference that I noticed is that the tree of Category:Heads of government also contains presidents subcats. If that is the main difference indeed I wonder if the heads of government tree is redundant and if we can just keep the presidents and prime ministers tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments.)
Courtesy link: Talk:Black market in wartime France § Other countries
Although we have Category:Black markets, "Surely there were black markets in other countries?" (quoted from the link). Shouldn't we have, Category:Black markets by country under that? Please advise. Mathglot ( talk) 23:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth § Should SmallCat continue to be a guideline. A smart kitten ( talk) 11:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
What is the protocol for categories that only have one page in them? While doing some work for WP:Louisiana I noticed someone create a new category for something that only has one page that could go inside. Louisiana Tech Lady Techsters soccer features the information for former coaches which in turn is in the catevory created today that I am concerned about is "Louisiana Tech Lady Techsters soccer coaches".
Ktkvtsh ( talk) 23:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Template:R from deadname has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 30 § Template:R from deadname until a consensus is reached.
I’m notifying WP:CATP as one of the options is to turn Template:R from deadname into its own rcat, which would then result in the creation of Category:Redirects from deadnames or similar. Best, A smart kitten ( talk) 17:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking about creating a category for events mentioned in the song "We Didn't Start the Fire," but I can definitely see how that could be considered trivial. Certainly the election of Harry Truman is not most notable for its inclusion in a Billy Joel song, but there are song events that are arguably best remembered for their inclusion in the song ( Syringe Tide comes to mind). I feel that this could be a useful category, but would like others' input. Remainsuncertain ( talk) 21:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
This categories seem to mirror each other. Category:Crime by century and Category:Crimes by century. Thoughts? Regards,-- Thinker78 (talk) 03:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Enforcement of WP:OCEPON seems to be particularly focused on eponymous categories for bands (at least when compared to other topics like political parties). I created Category:Greta Van Fleet earlier this year and it was deleted on this basis so I was wondering how big does a category have to be for it to be considered worthy? Charles Essie ( talk) 20:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I was wondering if there is a way to know how many entries a deleted category had at any given time. Specifically in this case, Category:Assassinated American former and incumbent party officials. Regards, -- Thinker78 (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
I ran a Petscan query including Category:Homicide and Category:Politicians but for some reason, Zeus showed up, no idea why. Anyone knows why and how to find out? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 01:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Caste-related category questions, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello! What's the best way to remove the Cuisine by country category from this archive page: Talk:Cuisine of Luxembourg/Archive 1? It was linked by someone in a discussion thread and I don't want to modify any of the content since archive content generally should not be edited. BaduFerreira ( talk) 13:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion that may be of your interest about a Request for comment on replacement to SmallCat guideline. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
A category or list of "Bills left unsigned by US President that became law" would be useful for research.
I am thinking it might be more appropriate as a list but I could use some guidance.
I could not find an existing similar category or list. Mike Richardson ( talk) 05:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 4 § Category:Fair use images. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Dear Categoryographers,
I know how to use Special:CategoryTree to find the tree of subcategories of a given category. But suppose I just wanted the list of articles that belong to a category or its subcategories? For a high-level category like Category:Mathematics, it's totally infeasible to construct this by hand from the tree; is there a better way?
Thanks, JBL ( talk) 19:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Most categories are subcats of Mathematics by some devious route., I think what is shown here is that "Most articles are in subcats of Mathematics by some devious route." Not quite the same. Pam D 22:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional doves and pigeons is inside Category:Fictional Columbidae, which is inside Category:Fictional doves and pigeons. Given that "doves and pigeons" is the exact same thing as Columbidae, what should we do? Kk.urban ( talk) 03:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
{{
CatAutoTOC}}
.refers to undomesticated animal species, but has come to include all organisms that grow or live wild in an area, so it could be interpreted as another synonym for Fauna or as a wider class including flora etc. which sounds like a parent category rather than a subcat. Perhaps the problem is that many categories lack precise definitions (or that I'm too thick to find them). Certes ( talk) 22:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Message here BinaryBrainBug ( talk) 20:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
There seems to be issues with PetScan. Are there alternatives to it? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
®exp_filter
bug (i.e. if PetScan fails, check all the tabs and fields for "®exp_filter") that's still not fixed.
85.76.13.79 (
talk) 12:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Now the situation of Petscan is worse. Can't even access the tool and there is instead some message, "Wikimedia Cloud Services Error. This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project." Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
{{ Import from list}}. Sometimes, a list article has more bluelinked entries than a corresponding category. The idea is that this template would be placed on the category page. Thoughts? Mach61 ( talk) 02:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Please see the RFC at Talk:Max Mallowan#RFC about categorisation -- wooden superman 15:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)