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Wikipedia doesn't seem to do well with sportsmen who played both football and cricket - and there were a lot of them: see List of Australian rules footballers and cricketers. So we have Max Walker who played 85 VFL games, but that fact doesn't appear in the article. There are people like Walker and Simon O'Donnell, who are far more notable for playing cricket, while others like Craig Bradley are far more notable for football. Some are most notable for neither - Jim Wilkinson (Australian politician) is most notable for being President of the Tasmanian Legislative Council. But it seems to be that we could still improve coverage of these players' minor sports. Can we have an infobox that includes both football and cricket? Should we have two infoboxes in the article (as we have with Keith Miller, which is a GA)? I am posting a link to here from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket. St Anselm ( talk) 10:00, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I worked on the Miller GA, but I like Jellyman's approach. Where a sensible independent person would say that one of the careers was more prominent, it'd make sense to put that infobox first. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 09:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Looking through Category:Australian Football League awards navigational boxes I'm seeing quite a few navboxes that are unnecessary at best. I'm planning on TfDing a few, but thought I'd bring it here first to see what others think. Surely Template:Archer-Hird Medal, Template:Ian Stewart Medal, Template:Jason McCartney Medal and Template:Rose-Sutton Medal can go as short-lived medals that most have never heard of, aren't given out any longer and were only awarded for run-of-the-mill games. I'm also a bit unconvinced by the need for navboxes for other individual game medals, e.g. Anzac Day, Dreamtime, intrastate rivalries (Showdown, Derby, etc.). Your thoughts? Jenks24 ( talk) 08:41, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey folks. I recently combed through the articles in Category:Stub-Class Australian rules football articles as part of researching whether we're failing to classify articles into appropriate stub categories in the mainspace even though they've already been identified as stubs by WikiProjects. Turns out we are. There are around 4,500 articles in that category (out of a little over 13,000) which aren't tagged with any stub template despite being under 1,500 characters (including infobox source code, etc, so these are unambiguous stubs). Is there any objections to me running a bot through and placing them within the Category:Australian rules biography stubs category tree using appropriate stub templates? I can automate this based off of the birth categories they're already in. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Rob13 Talk 02:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering what people's views are on Aidan Parker's notability, he fails WP:NAFL and I'm not sure if he meets WP:GNG. There are two links on his page to the Subiaco website and one to the WAFL website, which aren't independent, and three to footy goss and hotmag which aren't reliable sources, I'm thinking of redirecting him to List of Adelaide Football Club players as has been the case for drafted players who do not play a match (even though there isn't a section for delisted players who didn't play match, it can easily be created for Adelaide). I'm unsure if he is notable in WA and it is just a poorly referenced article, or if he does lack notability. Thoughts? Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 09:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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Just wanting a bit of help from people on here. A bit of back story, I've been trying to improve the List of Port Adelaide Football Club players and believe that the page should be representative of Category:Port Adelaide Football Club players, which is a subcategory of Category:VFL/AFL players. In addition, before my contributions the page was very large ( WP:TOOBIG) and I saw a reasonable split by having the SANFL listed players (before 1997) at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players (before 1997) which is also representative of Category:Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) players, and a subcategory of Category:South Australian National Football League players and the AFL listed players at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players. In addition the navbox at the bottom of List of Port Adelaide Football Club players says VFL/AFL players, and it seems logical to me to have that page as just VFL/AFL players, the SANFL players do still have representation, and I made sure not to just delete them all. There are multiple other issues with the page, such as the stats haven't been updated since 2012, the cap order is out of whack as some debutants have been added and others haven't (i.e. Jimmy Toumpas is listed as the 152nd player, when he in fact is the 158th player). I have also updated the debuts and ensured they were in correct order.
Thejoebloggsblog has been reverting my edits to the way he last had it, this brings up the obvious issues of the stats being out of date, a whole lot of debuts are missing, and the three players that have debuted since are just being deleted. I have explained my edits on Thejoebloggsblog's talk page, and he just completely ignored it and reverted it back to his last edit. I know there have been problems before where Thejoebloggsblog will not discuss and will continue reverting back to their preference, so I'm asking for help on here so I don't WP:3RR as I'm unsure if it can be constituted as vandalism. As I previously said, I believe there is a logical split in the page due to the large page size and representing the correct categories so if anyone does have feedback and can help the discussion process, please comment, but there shouldn't be reverts of updated stats and debuts. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 13:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I've put in a move request to have the two Josh Kennedys disambiguated by initial rather than by date of birth, feel free to weigh in. IgnorantArmies (talk) 11:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
In the statistics table there are two options: the regular format and the ruckman format. First question: Is there a reason that for ruckmen the stats are in a different order? I can understand that there is an added column for hit-outs (as that is a major part of a ruckman's work) but why not just add it instead of all the order being different? Second question: Some players (such as Dane Swan and Alan Toovey) are not ruckmen, but have been known to ruck when needed (and have hit-outs listed in their stats on AFL Tables). Currently (amongst the players I looked at) their hit-outs are not included in their stats. Anyone know what reasoning there is behind this? Should their hit-outs be listed and their format changed to the ruckman format? -- SuperJew ( talk) 18:24, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Flickerd (or anyone else), would you be able to reorder the ruck then? The sooner it's done, the less transclusions it'll be. -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
This didn't take anywhere near as long as I thought it would, but this has been all fixed now and all the ruckman stats tables now match the order of the non-ruckman stats table with hitouts added onto the end, so all future transclusions will now need to match that order (below). Thanks,
Flickerd (
talk)
08:28, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Season | Team | No. | Games | Totals | Averages (per game) | ||||||||||||||
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Is it all possible to introduce team colours into infoboxes for current players? I've noticed the NBA pages have them but poking around the code behind the template leaves me none the wiser on how it's done. Does anyone have expertise that could get this done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerman2612 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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So top-level women's football is up and coming as the All-Stars match this week showed. Does anyone know where they stand in regards to notability? Seasons, club seasons, players?
And another question, should we have separate pages for the women's team (as for example the
W-League has) or should they be all in one club's page (like the VFL/reserves teams)? And if separate should there be individual club season pages for men and women?
I feel we should start working on this (unless it's already begun and I'm unaware, in which case please point the way), as clubs' have started signing for their lists etc.
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SuperJew (
talk)
11:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
So, does this mean yesterday's women's draft fits into 2016 AFL draft or does it have a separate page? -- Roisterer ( talk) 03:15, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
As this is a "major amateur league" it will reach the general notability standards of
Wikipedia:Notability (sports) as far as I'm able to surmise. We have to codify it there that players have automatic notability in the specific sub article there, do we not?
Tigerman2612 (
talk) 1:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
All,
I've done some renovations to our finals articles. We had information strewn a little haphazardly across the old Early VFL finals systems and the current AFL finals system articles, which sort of tried to cover tournament brackets and some on-field and ground management history. So, what I've done is the following:
I have a bunch of article links to rectify now. Aspirex ( talk) 10:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
In the current season there's a section named "Player changes". It contains a list of players who retired or were delisted. The players who join clubs can be found on the draft page. Therefore I think the name "Players changes" is misleading as I would expect to find there player movement in both directions. Based on the template it seems the section was previously named "Retirements, sackings and delistings". This seems a better name for what it describes. What do people think about changing it back? -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:58, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Aspirex: @ Flickerd: Awesome guys! Thanks so much, and just let me mention how fun it is that this project has great and constructive discussion happening. -- SuperJew ( talk) 17:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
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It seems the Template:AFL player base template isn't linking properly anymore, in the past, it seemed to work with just {{Adelplayer}} for example, but the template capitalises the names in the url link and the links don't work properly anymore unless the parameter (link=firstname-surname) is added and only in lower case, does anyone know how to fix this in the template so the name in the url is just lower case without having to fix all the transclusions? Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 06:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Editors may wish to weigh in at the above discussion. IgnorantArmies (talk) 04:14, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
G'day, the article about Tom Wills, an Australian cricketer and footballer, has been nominated for a peer review. The review has been open for several months without comment, so if anyone is interested in reviewing, I'm sure that the nominator would be greatly appreciative. The review page can be found here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Tom Wills/archive1. Thank you for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 04:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Editors in this project may wish to contribute to this discussion. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 03:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Please see this discussion for information about an upcoming fix to {{ Infobox AFL biography}} which will change the parameters for teams/years/goals(games/wins). To address an accessibility issue which currently causes AFL infoboxes to be unreadable to those using screen readers, the following parameters will be replaced by numbered variants. Going forward, all entries of teams in the infobox should utilize the numbered parameters, with one number being used for each team. New parameters for total goals/games/wins have also been added. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Changed parameters:
New parameters:
~ Rob13 Talk 03:16, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Recently I've been playing around in WikiData, and all 12486 VFL/AFL players, and quite a few non-VFL/AFL players, now have AustralianFootball.com and AFL Tables IDs in WikiData. Tonight I added code to {{ AFL Tables}} and {{ AustralianFootball}} so that if no parameters are used, then the value from the wikidata property ( d:Property:P3547 or d:Property:P3546) is used automatically. I've tested those two templates on Tommy Hughes (Australian footballer). Note that I've used a direct parameter link to the properties, as used in {{ IMDb name}} rather than a Lua module as in {{ sports-reference}} or the #invoke term as is used in this template for images, mainly because I don't understand what the difference is, and this seemed simple and works. If this isn't ideal, then please improve - I'm not a coder and just learn by copying and experimenting.
I've tested the code below in the {{ Infobox AFL biography/sandbox}} and have tested it in Tommy Hughes (Australian footballer) and previews it in other articles (as you need a live wikidata link for it to work, you can't test it in a sandbox). I've not included the option to manually provide a source to override the wikidata one. If people feel that there is a need, then it could be added, but whilst AFL Tables is solely VFL/AFL only, AustralianFootball does cover notable players from other leagues too. And of course, we've lasted this long without any sources in the infobox, having some players without an auto link isn't the end of the world.
The "below" style that I've used is from the {{ Infobox cricketer}}, which I'll be proposing to add an automatic WikiData driven source link to CricInfo and/or Cricket Archive next, if WP:CRIC are in favour...
If anyone has any comments, improvements or things I've missed, please make them at the Infobox template talk link above. The-Pope ( talk) 15:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, just wanted to get a gauge on whether people believe Hampson-Hardeman Cup should have its own page. The reason I bring it up is because of the similar discussion we had with the AFL matches of a similar nature a while ago and were redirected to List of individual match awards in the Australian Football League. The Melbourne-Western Bulldogs matches are probably the most notable of the matches in AFL Women's and did receive coverage during the exhibition series era or is the article WP:TOOSOON considering the AFL Women's league just started and do we redirect the page to AFL Women's. Thoughts? Flickerd ( talk) 06:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Was wondering if initial 40-woman squad of the AA team is notable enough to create 2017 All-Australian team (I'm thinking have the AFL and AFLW AA teams on the same page, any other thoughts?)? If not, will the final 22 (TBA Tuesday) be notable enough? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:30, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Articles still to be created for all-Australians Nicola Stevens and Courtney Cramey. Defenders get no respect! Jack N. Stock ( talk) 06:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
for Women's team?, see Talk:Adelaide Football Club. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone know why links to SportsTG or to Northern Blues don't seem to work in AFLGame template? I tried linking them in the 1st round of the VFL season and it's not showing up (you can see them in source code, but no link in viewing). -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
In season articles, (such as 2013 Collingwood Football Club season), is the leading goalkicker parameter meant to reflect the leading goalkicker of the regular season or regular season+finals? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I can point out another example in soccer: at Roar's current season there is a parameter for league topscorer and a parameter for season topscorer. It's unfortunate that some editors on this project seem to not want to make the information more readily available to people who are not already in the know and not help grow the sport -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac ( talk) 23:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
There's currently nothing in
WP:NAFL in regards to players in the
AFL Women's competition and the only guide at the moment for these players is GNG. I'm of the opinion that playing at least one AFL Women's match should meet NAFL similar to what is the requirement for players in the VFL/AFL. The reason for this is the level of coverage during the season is much higher than state leagues (requirement for NAFL #3) and very similar to the AFL (all games were broadcast on TV and radio, every game was covered by multiple media outlets, such as AFL, News Corp, ESPN etc., and there were many opinion articles during the season too). In addition, the AFL has treated AFLW very similarly to the AFL comp in regards to awards, i.e. league best and fairest, All-Australian, AFLPA awards and so on. Some discussion I saw during the AFLW season was that editors were saying that player articles would be eventually created (i.e. assuming players already meet notability). Also the amount of players editors
redlinked meant that there was the assumption these articles would be created.
Flickerd (
talk)
13:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
This discussion has been open for over a week now, I think it's pretty safe to close it as the consensus appears to be to treat the AFL Women's notability the same as the AFL players with six editors supporting adding AFL Women's players to
WP:NAFL and one opposing. I think The Drover's Wife's suggestion to add "or AFL Women's" to the existing guidelines is the best way to go.
Flickerd (
talk)
04:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
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There's currently a discussion at Talk:Port Adelaide Football Club regarding the logo used in the infobox for the Port Adelaide Football Club. The discussion is currently not really going anywhere to reach a consensus due to the limited amount of people involved, it may be helpful to have some more editors involved to bring some new ideas/reach a consensus. Please feel free to join the discussion. Flickerd ( talk) 07:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
In the Cameron O'Brien article, it claims that he is the son of former St Kilda player Jim O'Brien (Australian footballer), giving the reference of our old friend The Encyclopedia Of AFL Footballers (2007 ed.) by Holmesby & Main. This father/son combo is not listed in Hillier’s (2004) Like Father Like Son (as far as I recall). Does anyone with access to the Encyclopedia confirm whether they are related? -- Roisterer ( talk) 23:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I am concerned that in seeking uniformity of the club player lists the project is ignoring players from clubs who made senior appearances when the clubs senior side was playing in a different competition. For example, as all Victorian clubs played in the VFA prior to joining the VFL, those players are ignored. Significant players who fall into this category include:
It seems odd that we would have a page called " List of Carlton Football Club players" and have dozens of people who played 1 senior game for the club but leave out George Coulthard. It seems absurd.
I realise there has been much effort in including VFL/AFL "Cap" numbers. This does not need to be lost. We could simply have the heading read "AFL Cap" or in earlier years "VFL Cap" or "VFL/AFL Cap" ect. Then for those players who played senior games for the club outside the VFL/AFL (1897 for VFL founders, 1908 for Richmond, 1925 for Footscray, Hawthorn and North, 1997 for Port Adelaide) we could leave the column blank or start a new section.
Thoughts? Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 12:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Agreed that non-VFL/AFL players should be included, although I'm not sure whether complete and verified records of players exist for non-VFL/AFL era. Sub-sectioning with the appropriate "this list is incomplete" tag can easily resolve that. Aspirex ( talk) 06:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
== Carlton Football Club players pre VFA (1864–1876) == === 1860s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- |1866||[[John Conway (cricketer)]] |?||?||1866–1971 |} == Carlton Football Club players in the VFA (1877–1896) == === 1870s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- | 1897||[[Bill Ahern (footballer born 1873)|George Coulthard]]||?||?||1876–1882 |} === 1880s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- |1887 |[[Geoff Moriarty]] |14||1||1887 |} === 1890s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- |1896||[[Wally O'Cock]] |||||1896–1901 |} ==Carlton Football Club players in the VFL/AFL (1897–present)== ===1890s=== {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- | 1897||[[Bill Ahern (footballer born 1873)|Bill Ahern]]||1||0||1897 |}
Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 01:02, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I've seen so many different ways that Australian rules footballers are disambiguated. For example, there are some that are *name* (footballer, born ____), others are (Australian footballer), and others (Australian rules footballer). I am just wondering if there is a consensus on what the names should be, and if there is, it should probably be added to WP:NCSP. Cheers, EvertonFC13 (talk2me) 16:41, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry if this has already been brought up, I can't find it anywhere, but there's a lot of inconsistency with club season pages. I want to help by doing work on some of them, but I'm really unsure if there's a specific way they're supposed to be written. From looking at them briefly it looks like each one is worked on by a different editor who has their own preferred layout. I was wondering if there's a particular way they need to be written or if they're just whatever. TripleRoryFan ( talk) 07:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I've changed colours on a number of Essendon-related navboxes to make them comply with WP:NAVBOXCOLOUR and WP:ACCESSIBILITY. I've been reverted by User:Flickerd on the basis that there is consensus to ignore these guidelines. Could someone advise if there is the case? Hack ( talk) 12:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
So in November is starting the Women in Red World Contest, which target is to create more articles about notable women. Going through our AFLW squads today I noticed that for most teams all (or almost all) the players were created, but Collingwood, GWS, Bulldogs and Carlton are missing. (Reminder: according to WP:NAFL footy players are presumed notable if they played a game in the AFL or AFLW).
I've put together in my sandbox a list of footy players who have played a game but don't have an article yet, and I'm hoping to work on them over the next month. I would like to invite you to join and help me tackle some of the articles. If you do create an article (either directly in the mainspace, or first in userspace to be published into the mainspace in November so it can count for the above contest), I'll thank you for it, and would appreciate you letting me know (can do this by messaging me or just deleting it from the list in my sandbox with a note). Also, if I missed anyone, you're welcome to let me know that too. Hope that by the end of the month all these articles will be created :)
(pinging editors who I've seen very active in the AFLW editing @ Jacknstock, Tigerman2612, and Flickerd:) -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
In AFL Women's coaches inbox, how should we denote that they are coaching the women's teams, and not the men's? In Bec Goddard's article, for example, it just reads "Adelaide" with no "(women's)," presumably as she is mainly involved with women's football. It's the same for Michelle Cowan's page, but what about for someone like Alan McConnell, who has mainly been involved in men's football, even coaching an AFL team? Or someone like Craig Starcevich, who has dabbled in both? Starcevich's article currently reads "Brisbane Lions (women's)," but he has been heavily involved in women's football, should the assumption be made it's the women's team, like on Goddard's or Cowan's pages? (Cowan has also been involved in men's footy.) Or should we include "(women's)" in every infobox? I think we need consistency across the project on this. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 02:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
I've been going through a lot of articles in the project this year and have come across a large number of club articles that have been created which are literally an infobox, one sentence and a link to the website (here's an example Doveton Football Club). Whether this club is notable enough for Wikipedia or it's just a poor quality article, I'm not sure, but I think it'd be worth as a project to create a guideline for these type of club pages that get created. Obviously AFL and state league clubs would all be notable, but from then on, I think we need some sort of guideline. From what I've seen in AFDs, the Victorian Amateur Football Association seems to be premier division clubs are notable enough for a stand alone page and lower divisions get redirected to the VAFA main page. I'm not really knowledgeable about a lot of leagues outside of the NT (where I live), so I think it'd be good to have some input from other editors to create some sort of guideline. Thoughts? Flickerd ( talk) 05:38, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I culled these from every AFL club article? IMO they add nothing, are a pain to maintain and have no real inclusion standards. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
Was wondering what you all think... Should we include the pre-season AFLX games on clubs' season pages? -- SuperJew ( talk) 14:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I've been running through some AFLW player's profiles and merging infoboxes under (infobox person) for those with existing ones from other sports. However there is an issue where the AFL biography embedded section carries an old infobox photo with it despite none being listed in the code. This can be seen on the latest version of Becchara Palmer for example. Can anyone with experience working on the infobox clarify why this is happening and possibly fix it? Thanks in advance. DustyNail ( talk) 10:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
[moved from Talk:Jasmine Garner to reach more project members for discussion]
To me, it looks as though SuperJew is only doing this at Collingwood player articles – if this is something that's used project-wide, then I wouldn't have a problem with this. It's not a massive deal anyway, but it can't just be done at certain articles; there needs to be consistency. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 22:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
[end moved part; further discussion begins here]
@ 4TheWynne: why is (c) not a logical solution? As mentioned, it is used in infoboxes of all soccer players, and this actually gives you the quickest most reliable information (reader doesn't have to look up the season page to see when the round/season was). -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:12, 12 February 2018 (UTC) @ Flickerd: When I started editing and updating footy pages on Wiki, the Collingwood players' pages weren't being updated and I was the only editor for a while, so not entirely sure what you're on about. -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
actual brilliant idea mate.. Can we call it WP:SIDEBYSIDE? -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
(yes I am just ribbing you now)
It is my understanding that the project standard has long been that photos are captioned as such:
Where a player has played for only one club: (Player) in (Month, Year).
Where a player has played for multiple clubs: (Player) with (Club) in (Month, Year).
The changes that SuperJew has been making over the last few days have been to add the club detail to all infoboxes despite that detail being unnecessary. The standard I've outlined above is most certainly the standard in other sports codes including NFL, NBA and professionsal association football and I see no reason to break from that. DustyNail ( talk) 06:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi all,
I just created templates for the AFL Tables profiles of coaches and umpires, with linked Wikidata properties ( coaches and umpires). Hopefully, in the future, all VFL/AFL coaches and umpires will have these templates in their external links sections, along with those for playing statistics, if those also apply. I'm not sure if anyone would like to help me, as I plan to add the values on Wikidata, then add them to the external links pages... eventually. Nonetheless, I thought I'd notify those who are creating new pages or editing coaches' and umpires' pages of the templates' existence. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 01:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Wanted to get your thoughts. Do you think we should add the AFLX series to the pre-season competitions template? (and on a side-note that template name might be needing re-naming.. sounds weird to me) -- SuperJew ( talk) 23:24, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Jacknstock and Sellyme: Ok, I added the AFLX to the template. What do you think of a name change? I think to move it to "Template:AFL pre-season competitions" would be more correct. -- SuperJew ( talk)
Hi there,
Not sure if the right section to post this but someone here might be able to help.
My name is Oliver Gigacz I am a researcher and editor for AustralianFootball.com and have noticed some linking errors in Wiki articles.
Our site links for players includes the name of the player in the link as an example the link for AFLW player Kim Rennie is...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player/Kim+Rennie/20237
For Wiki articles such as Kim Rennie ( /info/en/?search=Kim_Rennie) the Source: AustralianFootball.com link in the "player box" area of players leaves out the name in the respective links...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player//20237
While the External Links link uses the correct link with the name included...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player/Kim+Rennie/20237
For some reason the link without the name...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player//20237
Removes the "Advanced Stats" box/dropdown from our page. So people clicking these links are missing out on seeing player data. I have noticed the same accros all AFL/AFLW players that I have checked over the past month or so.
I am not sure why this happens and I am seeing if we can do something on our end but it looks like nothing can be changed easily without code changes to our site.
Is there anyway to change all links on Wiki to include the player name? Or at least make sure all future changes include the name in the link and removing the option of submitting a link without the player name.
Kind Regards
Oliver
Lonelyape94 ( talk) 08:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello. I am the one who moved all the Wikidata entries to numerical IDs. I did not notice the small difference. I'm sorry. I can move back all the IDs to what they were before but it is going to take some time and effort. Do we want that to happen? I have the feeling that the website would benefit from working only with numbers so are we sure they won't be able to fix it there before we change everything again? Thierry Caro ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
We've already been using this module for ladders for most leagues, but up until now we've had to custom-make wikitables for the SANFL because the module didn't have support for the 0-100 percentage style. That's now been patched, by adding |use_point_percentage=y
to the header paramaters instead of |use_goal_percentage=y
you can get the correct output. You can see an example of this in action at the newly updated
Template:AFL Ladder/2017/SANFL. We should use this going forwards into the 2018 season rather than the old method. If anyone wants to update all the old tables to use the new format that would be amazing, but that's not a hugely pressing concern at the moment.
Sellyme
Talk
23:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, we may need some extra eyes at Australian Football League with a couple of IPs (although I'm pretty sure it's the same person) trying to re-write history and persistently changing the most premierships parameter in the infobox. @ HiLo48: and @ Jevansen: have already been helping out, but some extra help would be great. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 03:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
An RfC has been opened that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Please see /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Specifying_the_code_of_football_at_first_reference_in_team_articles -- Trovatore ( talk) 19:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Over and above the generally non-standard writing, and all of the exaggerated and laudatory language that the article Wally Donald contains, and the complete lack of section headings and section breaks, it would ever so strongly seem to me that the gigantic lump of text that was inserted by some anonymous individual nearly two years ago — namely, see HERE — was taken holus-bolus, without any amendment, from some other source.
What can be done? Lindsay658 ( talk) 09:40, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Click on the link for a discussion on changing the title for the Anzac Day and Queen's Birthday matches. Any input welcomed. Jono52795 ( talk) 03:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:2018 AFL season#2018 Attendances - Home state games against interstate opposition about whether a new column in the attendance table called 'Home state games vs. interstate opposition" should be included. Thejoebloggsblog and I are requesting additional comments; please add your support or opposition with a !vote at Talk:2018 AFL season#2018 Attendances - Home state games against interstate opposition. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 05:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
In my opinion, field umpires who have officiated in one or more VFL/AFL games are notable. I've created a few umpires' pages recently, and it struck me that they should be mentioned at WP:NAFL. The only discussion I could find on the topic happened a while ago, and Richardcavell (and maybe The-Pope?) agreed. Thoughts? Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 02:25, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
There's no such thing as automatic notability for sportspeople, or umpires for that matter. They're notable if the sources demonstrate it, and I suspect that most modern AFL umps will meet that standard. Guys who blew the whistle a couple of times in the 1920s might be a different matter though; proper biographical information may well be lacking, and it might even be impossible to discern their full name. A stand-alone article would be a bad idea in such cases. Reyk YO! 14:05, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
In the days that there was a single umpire in charge of an entire match, it seems that there are a number of VFL umpires that were notable for various reasons, including:
Not sure if I'm going insane but I think the stats boxes have been changed to align differently to in the past. I'm certain the total row used to align directly to those above at least. Can anyone confirm if this is true or I'm just losing my mind and never notice this before. ( talk) 6:58, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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I've added votes boxes to several AFLW players' articles (having added statistics and honours/achievements sections to these articles, among others, previously) and would argue that, because the Brownlow Medal and AFL Women's best and fairest are the highest individual honours in their respective competitions (and in the sport as a whole for males and females, respectively), it's something that should be added at all AFL and AFLW player articles (or at least those that contain an honours/achievements section – there are a lot of articles that don't even have a statistics section, let alone that). I was reverted multiple times at one article by SuperJew (who claimed that this matter had already been discussed but couldn't tell me where) because that player didn't have any votes in their two seasons thus far. My main argument here is that I still think a votes box should be added regardless of whether the player has any votes, largely because of the importance of the award. I can perhaps understand it not being required if the player goes through their whole career without earning a single vote, but at the same time, how will we know that the player didn't receive any votes – is that not still just as important? That would be like having a statistics section without the statistics table, linking to AFL Tables and/or Australian Football, and indicating that a player's statistics can be found there. If there is already a consensus in place on this matter, then I was unaware, and would at least like to read the discussion, but if not, then I want to be heard out here. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 07:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I'd be more than happy with votes going in the statistics table. I don't think it's entirely necessary to have placings on their own, other than being mentioned in the article body, but at least having the votes in the statistics table means that they are perhaps less redundant and they can be viewed in the same way as they are at the aforementioned AFL Tables and Australian Football sites (where the votes are found in the same table as the statistics). Though I understand it would mean going through every VFL/AFL and AFLW players' articles (at least those which contain a statistics and/or honours and achievements section), in terms of the table itself, I think it would ideally be listed next to games as "Votes", where it would still come under totals, and would link to the respective award. For example, this would be a men's table:
Season | Team | No. | Games | Votes | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | G | B | K | H | D | M | T |
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Totals | Averages (per game) |
This would not affect the existing legend template, which refers only to playing statistics, however I think that it should be moved to Template:Australian rules football statistics legend to achieve gender neutrality (that, and it really is just a statistics key). I then think that there should be a separate start template for AFL Women's players – Template:AFLW player statistics start – which would look exactly the same, except it would link to the AFL Women's best and fairest and not the Brownlow Medal:
Season | Team | No. | Games | Votes | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | G | B | K | H | D | M | T |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Totals | Averages (per game) |
This would affect all ruck-related templates as well (including having separate templates, all of which contain "ruck" instead "ruckman", for the aforementioned reasons). How would people feel about this as an alternate proposal? 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Season | Team | No. | Games | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | Votes |
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Totals | Averages (per game) |
Below is an example of what a player's statistics table would like with the above changes. In this case, I've used Jobe Watson:
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This should give the best indication. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 08:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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I don't really see too much of a difference/the big deal between one approach (above) or the other (below), and I don't want to sound like I'm trying to argue for one of them, as that's the least of our concerns.
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Anyway, to clarify (and summarise all of my points made thus far), these are the changes that I am proposing:
Hopefully this all makes sense, anyway. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 11:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
But yes, to summarise, I'm happy with that plan, and with the overall change. I've completed the moves, and I've also created the women's start templates – updating the women's players will obviously be easy, as you can just change the template names and add the votes in one go, as the new templates don't exist at any articles yet. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 13:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, I'll add two points: 1. I think the title should be "Votes", but rather a shortened version like the rest (BR or BV), 2. I don't see the problem of having average votes per game as the source AFL Tables does that. -- SuperJew ( talk) 06:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I've recently returned to editing after a bit of a hiatus for the past few years and I've been working on cleaning up the Norm Smith Medal article over the last couple of days (I'm trying to get another WP:AFL featured list to join our lonely one!). If anyone would like to have a look over it for me (or make some changes themselves) that would be great. Also, if anyone is keen to help with a potential FL process, that would be appreciated as I have never done it before in all my years on here! Thanks, Allied45 ( talk) 11:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
We currently have the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). It basically says that in Australian articles the four main football codes in Australia are to be known as Soccer, Australian rules football, Rugby league and Rugby union in Australian articles . This guideline was established after some very difficult and confrontational debate, and I would rather it never happened again. However, there is yet another proposal on the table to change it so that soccer is called football in some Australian articles. It's at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Looking at practical usage here. Interested editors, feel free to join in. HiLo48 ( talk) 23:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
...by the same editor who wants soccer to become football. (See above.) He is already effectively edit warring at that page. Won't go the Talk page. Those pointing out differences in usage of the word football around the country use it to explain where those differences occur. So it doesn't suit those arguing for soccer to become football for all of Australia.
I have had major conflicts with this editor in the past, and would dearly love someone else to pick up the ball here please. HiLo48 ( talk) 02:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm in need of some help! We all know it's widely accepted that player game totals only include home-and-away and finals games (and that a player only "debuts" for a club if they play one these games), however I have been searching high and low to try and find a reference for this consensus. Does anyone know where I could find something that essentially outlines that pre-season/practice/representative etc. games are not generally considered in a players' overall games total? Thanks in advance, Allied45 ( talk) 10:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have a good understanding of Australian copyright laws and whether certain photographs are in public domain? As far as I can tell, these photograph collections of the 1937 and 1952 Geelong premiership teams would be in the public domain (with the exception of the WEG cartoon?) as they were taken prior to 1955, and can therefore be uploaded to Commons/used on Wikipedia indiscriminately. If so, they would make great historical additions to several player/club/season articles . Can anyone on the project help ascertain this? – Allied45 ( talk) 02:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Thejoebloggsblog has created Australian Football League records and statistics, as distinct from List of Victorian Football League/Australian Football League records, covering records only since the VFL to AFL name change in 1990. He has attempted to justify it on the talk page stating "Created in line with Premier League records and statistics. English football has two records pages, one dedicated to the top flight of football in the country, Football records in England, and one dedicated specifically when the top level was renamed the Premier League."
I don't think that there is any reason to separate out post 1990 records because:
I propose that rather than go through a formal AfD or PROD process, we get a consensus here, and then either keep it, or rather than delete it, redirect it to the VFL/AFL records page, as it is a viable search term. The-Pope ( talk) 14:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is pretty clear (and includes editors self-identifying as both Victorian club fans and non-Victorian club fans), so I'll make the redirect. I'd still like to get views on whether the article should be reverted to its old name 'List of Australian Football League records' or left at its new name 'List of Victorian Football League/Australian Football League records'. I favour reverting. Aspirex ( talk) 05:33, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Based on the article List of National Football League records (individual) including records from when the NFL was called the APFA in its first two seasons, I think it should be named just 'List of Australian Football League records', though I'm not sure if the comparison is entirely relevant since the NFL has had that name for all but two seasons whereas the AFL was the VFL for almost a hundred years before being renamed AFL. Are there any other cases where a league's been renamed that we could use to gauge what the title should be? TripleRoryFan ( talk) 10:49, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I believe that some of this "within-Wiki" issue is being seriously confused by the
equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') that lies within the current, wide "outside of Wiki" imprecise (and therefore ambiguous) application of the term AFL.
In some cases (A), driven by the commercial/media/corporate/advertising/trademark forces, the ideal (and historically accurate) term for the game itself, "Aussie Rules", is being displaced by the term AFL -- in the same way that, driven by the commercial/media/corporate/advertising/trademark forces, the ideal (and historically accurate) term for the game itself, "Rugby League", is being replaced by the term NRL.
In others (B), the term AFL is being used to denote the top level competition that (historically) is an extension of the (earlier) VFL competition, centred on Melbourne (in the same way that the term
NRL is being used to used to denote the top level competition that (historically) is an extension of the (earlier)
New South Wales Rugby League competition, centred on Sydney).
It is important that all within-Wiki applications clearly disambiguate this equivocation.
I (reluctantly) suggest that cases of (A), "Aussie Rules", be referred to as "AFL".
In cases of (B), I (strongly) suggest the use of the term "VFL/AFL; and, of course we already have the precedent where we now speak, within-Wiki, of "VFA/VFL" to describe the top level Victorian competition, now labelled the
Victorian Football League (VFL) that (historically) is an extension of the (earlier) Melbourne-centred Victorian Football Association (VFA), within which, for example,
Port Melbourne Football Club has played continuously since 1886.
Lindsay658 (
talk)
22:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
User:Jacknstock your point is well made. I find the widespread reference to the sport as "AFL" abhorrent. I agree with you entirely. Lindsay658 ( talk) 00:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject Australian rules football. FYI, Template:1884 Port Adelaide premiership players has been nominated for deletion. Interested editors are invited to comment at the deletion discussion. Regards. DH85868993 ( talk) 06:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I've just been poking around a few of our AFL categories and have stumbled across a large number of non-notable, unnecessary and/or redundant articles (IMO). I appreciate we have a group of passionate editors who largely would have good intentions, but I have come up with quite a list of articles that I believe warrant discussion. This is not aimed at anyone or anything like that (I think I even have developed some of the articles I've listed!), I just think we need to clean it up a bit and ensure we are not unnecessarily broadening our scope with coverage of trivial entries.
This list is not definitive, and I am expecting there will be various viewpoints on the way forward for at least some of these items!
P.S. I also have a new FLC listed for List of Gold Coast Football Club players, if anyone would like to check out :) – Allied45 ( talk) 05:19, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
My own laundry list of articles that need sweeping out are:
I could keep going, but that's my thoughts from a one-hour scan of the categories. Aspirex ( talk) 00:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Just a tiny observation... Been doing a bit of a cleanup on AFL Grand Final, and found a mention there of Colliwobbles (mentioned above). It wasn't linked. I linked it, because it's the right thing to do. I don't have any great feeling for it sticking around if consensus decrees otherwise, but just wanted to highlight that a more significant article does mention the phenomenon. (PS: Anyone else wanting to help with AFL Grand Final is very welcome. It's not in great condition.) HiLo48 ( talk) 07:23, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
The 2018 AFL Grand Final should be on Wikipedia's main page as an In The News item. It's not, because it appallingly referenced. See Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#2018 AFL Grand Final. There are two Australian nominations at ITN right now. {The recent death of Bob Jane is the other.) Both events look like not being posted for the same reason. Australian editors are gaining the image of not knowing how to properly cite their articles. Can anyone help please? HiLo48 ( talk) 03:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, I have just fixed up Template:Infobox Australian rules football season, in particular the wooden spoon parameter. If someone would like to go and fix up the all the AFL season pages as per this edit, that would be great. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
I have noticed all the "Match report" links used in the game templates for older seasons (i.e. in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011) are mostly now all dead. This is obviously a concern, as there is nothing stopping links used across other season pages from suffering the same fate at any point.
Some of the links have already been replaced by archived versions from the Wayback Machine, which is a great solution (here is an example). However, potentially many of these dead links may not have archived versions that can be used. How do others propose we tackle this for future? Would it be best to use the Wayback Machine to implement these reports each round rather than the live pages on the AFL website? Or should we only replace links as they "die" (remembering that it may not be possible to attain an archived version once they do, and we would have to continually check older links)? — Allied45 ( talk) 00:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
For those who are interested, I have nominated the 2017 AFL Rising Star page as a FLC ( see discussion here!) This is a part of my own goal to increase the quality of AFL-related articles and lists (since August 2018 I have successfully promoted Norm Smith Medal, List of Gold Coast Suns players and List of AFL debuts in 2008 to FL-status). Please feel free to leave any comments and feedback, as it would be great to get more AFL editors involved! Allied45 ( talk) 08:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Your WikiProject has been selected to participate in the WP 1.0 Bot rewrite beta. This means that, starting in the next few days or weeks, your assessment tables will be updated using code in the new bot, codenamed Lucky. You can read more about this change on the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team page. Thanks! audiodude ( talk) 06:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
You guys might be interested in this discussion I just started over at WP:OLYMPICS.
Cheers, Gibbsy spin 10:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Good evening all,
In
Talk:Yvonne Bonner I included the as yet nonexistent "AFLW=yes"
field in the "WikiProject AFL" template. Should this parameter be included in the WikiProject AFL" template?
Pete AU aka --
Shirt58 (
talk)
10:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
If anyone has the time, 2019 VFL season needs some attention ;) -- SuperJew ( talk) 09:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can see this was last discussed in 2016, before the AFLW began. From my point of view, the AFLW clubs now easily pass the notability test and should have separate articles. I created Adelaide Football Club (AFL Women's) and this got reverted on the basis that (a) I should not have done this without consensus and (b) all clubs should be done at once. My argument in response is that you've got to start somewhere, so why not just be bold and do it, starting with Adelaide. Thoughts? Adpete ( talk) 03:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
IMO, the question isn't whether they should have their own pages, but how much should be left on the men's team page. Obviously a brief mention and link to the women's page is a given, but should both AFL & AFLW captains/coaches be listed in the infobox? Should AFLW All-Australians be removed from the awards list? Commonname/primarytopic would rule out needing to rename the men's page to "XXX FC (men's)" or similar, but you can see on Fremantle Football Club how I've integrated the history, records and squads of the 2 teams into 1 page - as strictly speaking they are 2 teams in 1 club. I guess the best/cleanest outcome would be to remove all, but hatlink selected sections to easily switch between the 2 pages. The-Pope ( talk) 13:46, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Certainly no need for "men's team" articles. Either all in one article, or the articles for the women's teams are split from the main club articles. I would recommend simply building the women's teams' content in the main club articles, and then splitting them off into their own article if they are big enough. Absolutely no need to alter templates, move the existing articles, or create new articles for the men's teams. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 04:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia doesn't seem to do well with sportsmen who played both football and cricket - and there were a lot of them: see List of Australian rules footballers and cricketers. So we have Max Walker who played 85 VFL games, but that fact doesn't appear in the article. There are people like Walker and Simon O'Donnell, who are far more notable for playing cricket, while others like Craig Bradley are far more notable for football. Some are most notable for neither - Jim Wilkinson (Australian politician) is most notable for being President of the Tasmanian Legislative Council. But it seems to be that we could still improve coverage of these players' minor sports. Can we have an infobox that includes both football and cricket? Should we have two infoboxes in the article (as we have with Keith Miller, which is a GA)? I am posting a link to here from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket. St Anselm ( talk) 10:00, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I worked on the Miller GA, but I like Jellyman's approach. Where a sensible independent person would say that one of the careers was more prominent, it'd make sense to put that infobox first. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 09:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Looking through Category:Australian Football League awards navigational boxes I'm seeing quite a few navboxes that are unnecessary at best. I'm planning on TfDing a few, but thought I'd bring it here first to see what others think. Surely Template:Archer-Hird Medal, Template:Ian Stewart Medal, Template:Jason McCartney Medal and Template:Rose-Sutton Medal can go as short-lived medals that most have never heard of, aren't given out any longer and were only awarded for run-of-the-mill games. I'm also a bit unconvinced by the need for navboxes for other individual game medals, e.g. Anzac Day, Dreamtime, intrastate rivalries (Showdown, Derby, etc.). Your thoughts? Jenks24 ( talk) 08:41, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey folks. I recently combed through the articles in Category:Stub-Class Australian rules football articles as part of researching whether we're failing to classify articles into appropriate stub categories in the mainspace even though they've already been identified as stubs by WikiProjects. Turns out we are. There are around 4,500 articles in that category (out of a little over 13,000) which aren't tagged with any stub template despite being under 1,500 characters (including infobox source code, etc, so these are unambiguous stubs). Is there any objections to me running a bot through and placing them within the Category:Australian rules biography stubs category tree using appropriate stub templates? I can automate this based off of the birth categories they're already in. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Rob13 Talk 02:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering what people's views are on Aidan Parker's notability, he fails WP:NAFL and I'm not sure if he meets WP:GNG. There are two links on his page to the Subiaco website and one to the WAFL website, which aren't independent, and three to footy goss and hotmag which aren't reliable sources, I'm thinking of redirecting him to List of Adelaide Football Club players as has been the case for drafted players who do not play a match (even though there isn't a section for delisted players who didn't play match, it can easily be created for Adelaide). I'm unsure if he is notable in WA and it is just a poorly referenced article, or if he does lack notability. Thoughts? Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 09:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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Just wanting a bit of help from people on here. A bit of back story, I've been trying to improve the List of Port Adelaide Football Club players and believe that the page should be representative of Category:Port Adelaide Football Club players, which is a subcategory of Category:VFL/AFL players. In addition, before my contributions the page was very large ( WP:TOOBIG) and I saw a reasonable split by having the SANFL listed players (before 1997) at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players (before 1997) which is also representative of Category:Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) players, and a subcategory of Category:South Australian National Football League players and the AFL listed players at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players. In addition the navbox at the bottom of List of Port Adelaide Football Club players says VFL/AFL players, and it seems logical to me to have that page as just VFL/AFL players, the SANFL players do still have representation, and I made sure not to just delete them all. There are multiple other issues with the page, such as the stats haven't been updated since 2012, the cap order is out of whack as some debutants have been added and others haven't (i.e. Jimmy Toumpas is listed as the 152nd player, when he in fact is the 158th player). I have also updated the debuts and ensured they were in correct order.
Thejoebloggsblog has been reverting my edits to the way he last had it, this brings up the obvious issues of the stats being out of date, a whole lot of debuts are missing, and the three players that have debuted since are just being deleted. I have explained my edits on Thejoebloggsblog's talk page, and he just completely ignored it and reverted it back to his last edit. I know there have been problems before where Thejoebloggsblog will not discuss and will continue reverting back to their preference, so I'm asking for help on here so I don't WP:3RR as I'm unsure if it can be constituted as vandalism. As I previously said, I believe there is a logical split in the page due to the large page size and representing the correct categories so if anyone does have feedback and can help the discussion process, please comment, but there shouldn't be reverts of updated stats and debuts. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 13:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I've put in a move request to have the two Josh Kennedys disambiguated by initial rather than by date of birth, feel free to weigh in. IgnorantArmies (talk) 11:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
In the statistics table there are two options: the regular format and the ruckman format. First question: Is there a reason that for ruckmen the stats are in a different order? I can understand that there is an added column for hit-outs (as that is a major part of a ruckman's work) but why not just add it instead of all the order being different? Second question: Some players (such as Dane Swan and Alan Toovey) are not ruckmen, but have been known to ruck when needed (and have hit-outs listed in their stats on AFL Tables). Currently (amongst the players I looked at) their hit-outs are not included in their stats. Anyone know what reasoning there is behind this? Should their hit-outs be listed and their format changed to the ruckman format? -- SuperJew ( talk) 18:24, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Flickerd (or anyone else), would you be able to reorder the ruck then? The sooner it's done, the less transclusions it'll be. -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
This didn't take anywhere near as long as I thought it would, but this has been all fixed now and all the ruckman stats tables now match the order of the non-ruckman stats table with hitouts added onto the end, so all future transclusions will now need to match that order (below). Thanks,
Flickerd (
talk)
08:28, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
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Is it all possible to introduce team colours into infoboxes for current players? I've noticed the NBA pages have them but poking around the code behind the template leaves me none the wiser on how it's done. Does anyone have expertise that could get this done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerman2612 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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So top-level women's football is up and coming as the All-Stars match this week showed. Does anyone know where they stand in regards to notability? Seasons, club seasons, players?
And another question, should we have separate pages for the women's team (as for example the
W-League has) or should they be all in one club's page (like the VFL/reserves teams)? And if separate should there be individual club season pages for men and women?
I feel we should start working on this (unless it's already begun and I'm unaware, in which case please point the way), as clubs' have started signing for their lists etc.
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SuperJew (
talk)
11:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
So, does this mean yesterday's women's draft fits into 2016 AFL draft or does it have a separate page? -- Roisterer ( talk) 03:15, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
As this is a "major amateur league" it will reach the general notability standards of
Wikipedia:Notability (sports) as far as I'm able to surmise. We have to codify it there that players have automatic notability in the specific sub article there, do we not?
Tigerman2612 (
talk) 1:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
All,
I've done some renovations to our finals articles. We had information strewn a little haphazardly across the old Early VFL finals systems and the current AFL finals system articles, which sort of tried to cover tournament brackets and some on-field and ground management history. So, what I've done is the following:
I have a bunch of article links to rectify now. Aspirex ( talk) 10:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
In the current season there's a section named "Player changes". It contains a list of players who retired or were delisted. The players who join clubs can be found on the draft page. Therefore I think the name "Players changes" is misleading as I would expect to find there player movement in both directions. Based on the template it seems the section was previously named "Retirements, sackings and delistings". This seems a better name for what it describes. What do people think about changing it back? -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:58, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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It seems the Template:AFL player base template isn't linking properly anymore, in the past, it seemed to work with just {{Adelplayer}} for example, but the template capitalises the names in the url link and the links don't work properly anymore unless the parameter (link=firstname-surname) is added and only in lower case, does anyone know how to fix this in the template so the name in the url is just lower case without having to fix all the transclusions? Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 06:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Editors may wish to weigh in at the above discussion. IgnorantArmies (talk) 04:14, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
G'day, the article about Tom Wills, an Australian cricketer and footballer, has been nominated for a peer review. The review has been open for several months without comment, so if anyone is interested in reviewing, I'm sure that the nominator would be greatly appreciative. The review page can be found here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Tom Wills/archive1. Thank you for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 04:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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Please see this discussion for information about an upcoming fix to {{ Infobox AFL biography}} which will change the parameters for teams/years/goals(games/wins). To address an accessibility issue which currently causes AFL infoboxes to be unreadable to those using screen readers, the following parameters will be replaced by numbered variants. Going forward, all entries of teams in the infobox should utilize the numbered parameters, with one number being used for each team. New parameters for total goals/games/wins have also been added. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Changed parameters:
New parameters:
~ Rob13 Talk 03:16, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Recently I've been playing around in WikiData, and all 12486 VFL/AFL players, and quite a few non-VFL/AFL players, now have AustralianFootball.com and AFL Tables IDs in WikiData. Tonight I added code to {{ AFL Tables}} and {{ AustralianFootball}} so that if no parameters are used, then the value from the wikidata property ( d:Property:P3547 or d:Property:P3546) is used automatically. I've tested those two templates on Tommy Hughes (Australian footballer). Note that I've used a direct parameter link to the properties, as used in {{ IMDb name}} rather than a Lua module as in {{ sports-reference}} or the #invoke term as is used in this template for images, mainly because I don't understand what the difference is, and this seemed simple and works. If this isn't ideal, then please improve - I'm not a coder and just learn by copying and experimenting.
I've tested the code below in the {{ Infobox AFL biography/sandbox}} and have tested it in Tommy Hughes (Australian footballer) and previews it in other articles (as you need a live wikidata link for it to work, you can't test it in a sandbox). I've not included the option to manually provide a source to override the wikidata one. If people feel that there is a need, then it could be added, but whilst AFL Tables is solely VFL/AFL only, AustralianFootball does cover notable players from other leagues too. And of course, we've lasted this long without any sources in the infobox, having some players without an auto link isn't the end of the world.
The "below" style that I've used is from the {{ Infobox cricketer}}, which I'll be proposing to add an automatic WikiData driven source link to CricInfo and/or Cricket Archive next, if WP:CRIC are in favour...
If anyone has any comments, improvements or things I've missed, please make them at the Infobox template talk link above. The-Pope ( talk) 15:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, just wanted to get a gauge on whether people believe Hampson-Hardeman Cup should have its own page. The reason I bring it up is because of the similar discussion we had with the AFL matches of a similar nature a while ago and were redirected to List of individual match awards in the Australian Football League. The Melbourne-Western Bulldogs matches are probably the most notable of the matches in AFL Women's and did receive coverage during the exhibition series era or is the article WP:TOOSOON considering the AFL Women's league just started and do we redirect the page to AFL Women's. Thoughts? Flickerd ( talk) 06:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Was wondering if initial 40-woman squad of the AA team is notable enough to create 2017 All-Australian team (I'm thinking have the AFL and AFLW AA teams on the same page, any other thoughts?)? If not, will the final 22 (TBA Tuesday) be notable enough? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:30, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Articles still to be created for all-Australians Nicola Stevens and Courtney Cramey. Defenders get no respect! Jack N. Stock ( talk) 06:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
for Women's team?, see Talk:Adelaide Football Club. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone know why links to SportsTG or to Northern Blues don't seem to work in AFLGame template? I tried linking them in the 1st round of the VFL season and it's not showing up (you can see them in source code, but no link in viewing). -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
In season articles, (such as 2013 Collingwood Football Club season), is the leading goalkicker parameter meant to reflect the leading goalkicker of the regular season or regular season+finals? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I can point out another example in soccer: at Roar's current season there is a parameter for league topscorer and a parameter for season topscorer. It's unfortunate that some editors on this project seem to not want to make the information more readily available to people who are not already in the know and not help grow the sport -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac ( talk) 23:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
There's currently nothing in
WP:NAFL in regards to players in the
AFL Women's competition and the only guide at the moment for these players is GNG. I'm of the opinion that playing at least one AFL Women's match should meet NAFL similar to what is the requirement for players in the VFL/AFL. The reason for this is the level of coverage during the season is much higher than state leagues (requirement for NAFL #3) and very similar to the AFL (all games were broadcast on TV and radio, every game was covered by multiple media outlets, such as AFL, News Corp, ESPN etc., and there were many opinion articles during the season too). In addition, the AFL has treated AFLW very similarly to the AFL comp in regards to awards, i.e. league best and fairest, All-Australian, AFLPA awards and so on. Some discussion I saw during the AFLW season was that editors were saying that player articles would be eventually created (i.e. assuming players already meet notability). Also the amount of players editors
redlinked meant that there was the assumption these articles would be created.
Flickerd (
talk)
13:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
This discussion has been open for over a week now, I think it's pretty safe to close it as the consensus appears to be to treat the AFL Women's notability the same as the AFL players with six editors supporting adding AFL Women's players to
WP:NAFL and one opposing. I think The Drover's Wife's suggestion to add "or AFL Women's" to the existing guidelines is the best way to go.
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talk)
04:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
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There's currently a discussion at Talk:Port Adelaide Football Club regarding the logo used in the infobox for the Port Adelaide Football Club. The discussion is currently not really going anywhere to reach a consensus due to the limited amount of people involved, it may be helpful to have some more editors involved to bring some new ideas/reach a consensus. Please feel free to join the discussion. Flickerd ( talk) 07:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
In the Cameron O'Brien article, it claims that he is the son of former St Kilda player Jim O'Brien (Australian footballer), giving the reference of our old friend The Encyclopedia Of AFL Footballers (2007 ed.) by Holmesby & Main. This father/son combo is not listed in Hillier’s (2004) Like Father Like Son (as far as I recall). Does anyone with access to the Encyclopedia confirm whether they are related? -- Roisterer ( talk) 23:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I am concerned that in seeking uniformity of the club player lists the project is ignoring players from clubs who made senior appearances when the clubs senior side was playing in a different competition. For example, as all Victorian clubs played in the VFA prior to joining the VFL, those players are ignored. Significant players who fall into this category include:
It seems odd that we would have a page called " List of Carlton Football Club players" and have dozens of people who played 1 senior game for the club but leave out George Coulthard. It seems absurd.
I realise there has been much effort in including VFL/AFL "Cap" numbers. This does not need to be lost. We could simply have the heading read "AFL Cap" or in earlier years "VFL Cap" or "VFL/AFL Cap" ect. Then for those players who played senior games for the club outside the VFL/AFL (1897 for VFL founders, 1908 for Richmond, 1925 for Footscray, Hawthorn and North, 1997 for Port Adelaide) we could leave the column blank or start a new section.
Thoughts? Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 12:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Agreed that non-VFL/AFL players should be included, although I'm not sure whether complete and verified records of players exist for non-VFL/AFL era. Sub-sectioning with the appropriate "this list is incomplete" tag can easily resolve that. Aspirex ( talk) 06:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
== Carlton Football Club players pre VFA (1864–1876) == === 1860s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- |1866||[[John Conway (cricketer)]] |?||?||1866–1971 |} == Carlton Football Club players in the VFA (1877–1896) == === 1870s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- | 1897||[[Bill Ahern (footballer born 1873)|George Coulthard]]||?||?||1876–1882 |} === 1880s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- |1887 |[[Geoff Moriarty]] |14||1||1887 |} === 1890s === {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- |1896||[[Wally O'Cock]] |||||1896–1901 |} ==Carlton Football Club players in the VFL/AFL (1897–present)== ===1890s=== {| class="wikitable" style="width:70%;" |- style="background:#87cefa;" ! Debut Year !! Player !! Games !! Goals !! Years at Club |- | 1897||[[Bill Ahern (footballer born 1873)|Bill Ahern]]||1||0||1897 |}
Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 01:02, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I've seen so many different ways that Australian rules footballers are disambiguated. For example, there are some that are *name* (footballer, born ____), others are (Australian footballer), and others (Australian rules footballer). I am just wondering if there is a consensus on what the names should be, and if there is, it should probably be added to WP:NCSP. Cheers, EvertonFC13 (talk2me) 16:41, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry if this has already been brought up, I can't find it anywhere, but there's a lot of inconsistency with club season pages. I want to help by doing work on some of them, but I'm really unsure if there's a specific way they're supposed to be written. From looking at them briefly it looks like each one is worked on by a different editor who has their own preferred layout. I was wondering if there's a particular way they need to be written or if they're just whatever. TripleRoryFan ( talk) 07:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I've changed colours on a number of Essendon-related navboxes to make them comply with WP:NAVBOXCOLOUR and WP:ACCESSIBILITY. I've been reverted by User:Flickerd on the basis that there is consensus to ignore these guidelines. Could someone advise if there is the case? Hack ( talk) 12:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
So in November is starting the Women in Red World Contest, which target is to create more articles about notable women. Going through our AFLW squads today I noticed that for most teams all (or almost all) the players were created, but Collingwood, GWS, Bulldogs and Carlton are missing. (Reminder: according to WP:NAFL footy players are presumed notable if they played a game in the AFL or AFLW).
I've put together in my sandbox a list of footy players who have played a game but don't have an article yet, and I'm hoping to work on them over the next month. I would like to invite you to join and help me tackle some of the articles. If you do create an article (either directly in the mainspace, or first in userspace to be published into the mainspace in November so it can count for the above contest), I'll thank you for it, and would appreciate you letting me know (can do this by messaging me or just deleting it from the list in my sandbox with a note). Also, if I missed anyone, you're welcome to let me know that too. Hope that by the end of the month all these articles will be created :)
(pinging editors who I've seen very active in the AFLW editing @ Jacknstock, Tigerman2612, and Flickerd:) -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
In AFL Women's coaches inbox, how should we denote that they are coaching the women's teams, and not the men's? In Bec Goddard's article, for example, it just reads "Adelaide" with no "(women's)," presumably as she is mainly involved with women's football. It's the same for Michelle Cowan's page, but what about for someone like Alan McConnell, who has mainly been involved in men's football, even coaching an AFL team? Or someone like Craig Starcevich, who has dabbled in both? Starcevich's article currently reads "Brisbane Lions (women's)," but he has been heavily involved in women's football, should the assumption be made it's the women's team, like on Goddard's or Cowan's pages? (Cowan has also been involved in men's footy.) Or should we include "(women's)" in every infobox? I think we need consistency across the project on this. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 02:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
I've been going through a lot of articles in the project this year and have come across a large number of club articles that have been created which are literally an infobox, one sentence and a link to the website (here's an example Doveton Football Club). Whether this club is notable enough for Wikipedia or it's just a poor quality article, I'm not sure, but I think it'd be worth as a project to create a guideline for these type of club pages that get created. Obviously AFL and state league clubs would all be notable, but from then on, I think we need some sort of guideline. From what I've seen in AFDs, the Victorian Amateur Football Association seems to be premier division clubs are notable enough for a stand alone page and lower divisions get redirected to the VAFA main page. I'm not really knowledgeable about a lot of leagues outside of the NT (where I live), so I think it'd be good to have some input from other editors to create some sort of guideline. Thoughts? Flickerd ( talk) 05:38, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I culled these from every AFL club article? IMO they add nothing, are a pain to maintain and have no real inclusion standards. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
Was wondering what you all think... Should we include the pre-season AFLX games on clubs' season pages? -- SuperJew ( talk) 14:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I've been running through some AFLW player's profiles and merging infoboxes under (infobox person) for those with existing ones from other sports. However there is an issue where the AFL biography embedded section carries an old infobox photo with it despite none being listed in the code. This can be seen on the latest version of Becchara Palmer for example. Can anyone with experience working on the infobox clarify why this is happening and possibly fix it? Thanks in advance. DustyNail ( talk) 10:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
[moved from Talk:Jasmine Garner to reach more project members for discussion]
To me, it looks as though SuperJew is only doing this at Collingwood player articles – if this is something that's used project-wide, then I wouldn't have a problem with this. It's not a massive deal anyway, but it can't just be done at certain articles; there needs to be consistency. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 22:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
[end moved part; further discussion begins here]
@ 4TheWynne: why is (c) not a logical solution? As mentioned, it is used in infoboxes of all soccer players, and this actually gives you the quickest most reliable information (reader doesn't have to look up the season page to see when the round/season was). -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:12, 12 February 2018 (UTC) @ Flickerd: When I started editing and updating footy pages on Wiki, the Collingwood players' pages weren't being updated and I was the only editor for a while, so not entirely sure what you're on about. -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
actual brilliant idea mate.. Can we call it WP:SIDEBYSIDE? -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
(yes I am just ribbing you now)
It is my understanding that the project standard has long been that photos are captioned as such:
Where a player has played for only one club: (Player) in (Month, Year).
Where a player has played for multiple clubs: (Player) with (Club) in (Month, Year).
The changes that SuperJew has been making over the last few days have been to add the club detail to all infoboxes despite that detail being unnecessary. The standard I've outlined above is most certainly the standard in other sports codes including NFL, NBA and professionsal association football and I see no reason to break from that. DustyNail ( talk) 06:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi all,
I just created templates for the AFL Tables profiles of coaches and umpires, with linked Wikidata properties ( coaches and umpires). Hopefully, in the future, all VFL/AFL coaches and umpires will have these templates in their external links sections, along with those for playing statistics, if those also apply. I'm not sure if anyone would like to help me, as I plan to add the values on Wikidata, then add them to the external links pages... eventually. Nonetheless, I thought I'd notify those who are creating new pages or editing coaches' and umpires' pages of the templates' existence. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 01:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Wanted to get your thoughts. Do you think we should add the AFLX series to the pre-season competitions template? (and on a side-note that template name might be needing re-naming.. sounds weird to me) -- SuperJew ( talk) 23:24, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Jacknstock and Sellyme: Ok, I added the AFLX to the template. What do you think of a name change? I think to move it to "Template:AFL pre-season competitions" would be more correct. -- SuperJew ( talk)
Hi there,
Not sure if the right section to post this but someone here might be able to help.
My name is Oliver Gigacz I am a researcher and editor for AustralianFootball.com and have noticed some linking errors in Wiki articles.
Our site links for players includes the name of the player in the link as an example the link for AFLW player Kim Rennie is...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player/Kim+Rennie/20237
For Wiki articles such as Kim Rennie ( /info/en/?search=Kim_Rennie) the Source: AustralianFootball.com link in the "player box" area of players leaves out the name in the respective links...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player//20237
While the External Links link uses the correct link with the name included...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player/Kim+Rennie/20237
For some reason the link without the name...
https://australianfootball.com/players/player//20237
Removes the "Advanced Stats" box/dropdown from our page. So people clicking these links are missing out on seeing player data. I have noticed the same accros all AFL/AFLW players that I have checked over the past month or so.
I am not sure why this happens and I am seeing if we can do something on our end but it looks like nothing can be changed easily without code changes to our site.
Is there anyway to change all links on Wiki to include the player name? Or at least make sure all future changes include the name in the link and removing the option of submitting a link without the player name.
Kind Regards
Oliver
Lonelyape94 ( talk) 08:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello. I am the one who moved all the Wikidata entries to numerical IDs. I did not notice the small difference. I'm sorry. I can move back all the IDs to what they were before but it is going to take some time and effort. Do we want that to happen? I have the feeling that the website would benefit from working only with numbers so are we sure they won't be able to fix it there before we change everything again? Thierry Caro ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
We've already been using this module for ladders for most leagues, but up until now we've had to custom-make wikitables for the SANFL because the module didn't have support for the 0-100 percentage style. That's now been patched, by adding |use_point_percentage=y
to the header paramaters instead of |use_goal_percentage=y
you can get the correct output. You can see an example of this in action at the newly updated
Template:AFL Ladder/2017/SANFL. We should use this going forwards into the 2018 season rather than the old method. If anyone wants to update all the old tables to use the new format that would be amazing, but that's not a hugely pressing concern at the moment.
Sellyme
Talk
23:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, we may need some extra eyes at Australian Football League with a couple of IPs (although I'm pretty sure it's the same person) trying to re-write history and persistently changing the most premierships parameter in the infobox. @ HiLo48: and @ Jevansen: have already been helping out, but some extra help would be great. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 03:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
An RfC has been opened that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Please see /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Specifying_the_code_of_football_at_first_reference_in_team_articles -- Trovatore ( talk) 19:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Over and above the generally non-standard writing, and all of the exaggerated and laudatory language that the article Wally Donald contains, and the complete lack of section headings and section breaks, it would ever so strongly seem to me that the gigantic lump of text that was inserted by some anonymous individual nearly two years ago — namely, see HERE — was taken holus-bolus, without any amendment, from some other source.
What can be done? Lindsay658 ( talk) 09:40, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Click on the link for a discussion on changing the title for the Anzac Day and Queen's Birthday matches. Any input welcomed. Jono52795 ( talk) 03:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:2018 AFL season#2018 Attendances - Home state games against interstate opposition about whether a new column in the attendance table called 'Home state games vs. interstate opposition" should be included. Thejoebloggsblog and I are requesting additional comments; please add your support or opposition with a !vote at Talk:2018 AFL season#2018 Attendances - Home state games against interstate opposition. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 05:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
In my opinion, field umpires who have officiated in one or more VFL/AFL games are notable. I've created a few umpires' pages recently, and it struck me that they should be mentioned at WP:NAFL. The only discussion I could find on the topic happened a while ago, and Richardcavell (and maybe The-Pope?) agreed. Thoughts? Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 02:25, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
There's no such thing as automatic notability for sportspeople, or umpires for that matter. They're notable if the sources demonstrate it, and I suspect that most modern AFL umps will meet that standard. Guys who blew the whistle a couple of times in the 1920s might be a different matter though; proper biographical information may well be lacking, and it might even be impossible to discern their full name. A stand-alone article would be a bad idea in such cases. Reyk YO! 14:05, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
In the days that there was a single umpire in charge of an entire match, it seems that there are a number of VFL umpires that were notable for various reasons, including:
Not sure if I'm going insane but I think the stats boxes have been changed to align differently to in the past. I'm certain the total row used to align directly to those above at least. Can anyone confirm if this is true or I'm just losing my mind and never notice this before. ( talk) 6:58, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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I've added votes boxes to several AFLW players' articles (having added statistics and honours/achievements sections to these articles, among others, previously) and would argue that, because the Brownlow Medal and AFL Women's best and fairest are the highest individual honours in their respective competitions (and in the sport as a whole for males and females, respectively), it's something that should be added at all AFL and AFLW player articles (or at least those that contain an honours/achievements section – there are a lot of articles that don't even have a statistics section, let alone that). I was reverted multiple times at one article by SuperJew (who claimed that this matter had already been discussed but couldn't tell me where) because that player didn't have any votes in their two seasons thus far. My main argument here is that I still think a votes box should be added regardless of whether the player has any votes, largely because of the importance of the award. I can perhaps understand it not being required if the player goes through their whole career without earning a single vote, but at the same time, how will we know that the player didn't receive any votes – is that not still just as important? That would be like having a statistics section without the statistics table, linking to AFL Tables and/or Australian Football, and indicating that a player's statistics can be found there. If there is already a consensus in place on this matter, then I was unaware, and would at least like to read the discussion, but if not, then I want to be heard out here. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 07:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I'd be more than happy with votes going in the statistics table. I don't think it's entirely necessary to have placings on their own, other than being mentioned in the article body, but at least having the votes in the statistics table means that they are perhaps less redundant and they can be viewed in the same way as they are at the aforementioned AFL Tables and Australian Football sites (where the votes are found in the same table as the statistics). Though I understand it would mean going through every VFL/AFL and AFLW players' articles (at least those which contain a statistics and/or honours and achievements section), in terms of the table itself, I think it would ideally be listed next to games as "Votes", where it would still come under totals, and would link to the respective award. For example, this would be a men's table:
Season | Team | No. | Games | Votes | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | G | B | K | H | D | M | T |
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Totals | Averages (per game) |
This would not affect the existing legend template, which refers only to playing statistics, however I think that it should be moved to Template:Australian rules football statistics legend to achieve gender neutrality (that, and it really is just a statistics key). I then think that there should be a separate start template for AFL Women's players – Template:AFLW player statistics start – which would look exactly the same, except it would link to the AFL Women's best and fairest and not the Brownlow Medal:
Season | Team | No. | Games | Votes | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | G | B | K | H | D | M | T |
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Totals | Averages (per game) |
This would affect all ruck-related templates as well (including having separate templates, all of which contain "ruck" instead "ruckman", for the aforementioned reasons). How would people feel about this as an alternate proposal? 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Season | Team | No. | Games | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | G | B | K | H | D | M | T | Votes |
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Totals | Averages (per game) |
Below is an example of what a player's statistics table would like with the above changes. In this case, I've used Jobe Watson:
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This should give the best indication. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 08:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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I don't really see too much of a difference/the big deal between one approach (above) or the other (below), and I don't want to sound like I'm trying to argue for one of them, as that's the least of our concerns.
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Anyway, to clarify (and summarise all of my points made thus far), these are the changes that I am proposing:
Hopefully this all makes sense, anyway. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 11:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
But yes, to summarise, I'm happy with that plan, and with the overall change. I've completed the moves, and I've also created the women's start templates – updating the women's players will obviously be easy, as you can just change the template names and add the votes in one go, as the new templates don't exist at any articles yet. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 13:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, I'll add two points: 1. I think the title should be "Votes", but rather a shortened version like the rest (BR or BV), 2. I don't see the problem of having average votes per game as the source AFL Tables does that. -- SuperJew ( talk) 06:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I've recently returned to editing after a bit of a hiatus for the past few years and I've been working on cleaning up the Norm Smith Medal article over the last couple of days (I'm trying to get another WP:AFL featured list to join our lonely one!). If anyone would like to have a look over it for me (or make some changes themselves) that would be great. Also, if anyone is keen to help with a potential FL process, that would be appreciated as I have never done it before in all my years on here! Thanks, Allied45 ( talk) 11:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
We currently have the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). It basically says that in Australian articles the four main football codes in Australia are to be known as Soccer, Australian rules football, Rugby league and Rugby union in Australian articles . This guideline was established after some very difficult and confrontational debate, and I would rather it never happened again. However, there is yet another proposal on the table to change it so that soccer is called football in some Australian articles. It's at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Looking at practical usage here. Interested editors, feel free to join in. HiLo48 ( talk) 23:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
...by the same editor who wants soccer to become football. (See above.) He is already effectively edit warring at that page. Won't go the Talk page. Those pointing out differences in usage of the word football around the country use it to explain where those differences occur. So it doesn't suit those arguing for soccer to become football for all of Australia.
I have had major conflicts with this editor in the past, and would dearly love someone else to pick up the ball here please. HiLo48 ( talk) 02:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm in need of some help! We all know it's widely accepted that player game totals only include home-and-away and finals games (and that a player only "debuts" for a club if they play one these games), however I have been searching high and low to try and find a reference for this consensus. Does anyone know where I could find something that essentially outlines that pre-season/practice/representative etc. games are not generally considered in a players' overall games total? Thanks in advance, Allied45 ( talk) 10:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have a good understanding of Australian copyright laws and whether certain photographs are in public domain? As far as I can tell, these photograph collections of the 1937 and 1952 Geelong premiership teams would be in the public domain (with the exception of the WEG cartoon?) as they were taken prior to 1955, and can therefore be uploaded to Commons/used on Wikipedia indiscriminately. If so, they would make great historical additions to several player/club/season articles . Can anyone on the project help ascertain this? – Allied45 ( talk) 02:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Thejoebloggsblog has created Australian Football League records and statistics, as distinct from List of Victorian Football League/Australian Football League records, covering records only since the VFL to AFL name change in 1990. He has attempted to justify it on the talk page stating "Created in line with Premier League records and statistics. English football has two records pages, one dedicated to the top flight of football in the country, Football records in England, and one dedicated specifically when the top level was renamed the Premier League."
I don't think that there is any reason to separate out post 1990 records because:
I propose that rather than go through a formal AfD or PROD process, we get a consensus here, and then either keep it, or rather than delete it, redirect it to the VFL/AFL records page, as it is a viable search term. The-Pope ( talk) 14:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is pretty clear (and includes editors self-identifying as both Victorian club fans and non-Victorian club fans), so I'll make the redirect. I'd still like to get views on whether the article should be reverted to its old name 'List of Australian Football League records' or left at its new name 'List of Victorian Football League/Australian Football League records'. I favour reverting. Aspirex ( talk) 05:33, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Based on the article List of National Football League records (individual) including records from when the NFL was called the APFA in its first two seasons, I think it should be named just 'List of Australian Football League records', though I'm not sure if the comparison is entirely relevant since the NFL has had that name for all but two seasons whereas the AFL was the VFL for almost a hundred years before being renamed AFL. Are there any other cases where a league's been renamed that we could use to gauge what the title should be? TripleRoryFan ( talk) 10:49, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I believe that some of this "within-Wiki" issue is being seriously confused by the
equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') that lies within the current, wide "outside of Wiki" imprecise (and therefore ambiguous) application of the term AFL.
In some cases (A), driven by the commercial/media/corporate/advertising/trademark forces, the ideal (and historically accurate) term for the game itself, "Aussie Rules", is being displaced by the term AFL -- in the same way that, driven by the commercial/media/corporate/advertising/trademark forces, the ideal (and historically accurate) term for the game itself, "Rugby League", is being replaced by the term NRL.
In others (B), the term AFL is being used to denote the top level competition that (historically) is an extension of the (earlier) VFL competition, centred on Melbourne (in the same way that the term
NRL is being used to used to denote the top level competition that (historically) is an extension of the (earlier)
New South Wales Rugby League competition, centred on Sydney).
It is important that all within-Wiki applications clearly disambiguate this equivocation.
I (reluctantly) suggest that cases of (A), "Aussie Rules", be referred to as "AFL".
In cases of (B), I (strongly) suggest the use of the term "VFL/AFL; and, of course we already have the precedent where we now speak, within-Wiki, of "VFA/VFL" to describe the top level Victorian competition, now labelled the
Victorian Football League (VFL) that (historically) is an extension of the (earlier) Melbourne-centred Victorian Football Association (VFA), within which, for example,
Port Melbourne Football Club has played continuously since 1886.
Lindsay658 (
talk)
22:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
User:Jacknstock your point is well made. I find the widespread reference to the sport as "AFL" abhorrent. I agree with you entirely. Lindsay658 ( talk) 00:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject Australian rules football. FYI, Template:1884 Port Adelaide premiership players has been nominated for deletion. Interested editors are invited to comment at the deletion discussion. Regards. DH85868993 ( talk) 06:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I've just been poking around a few of our AFL categories and have stumbled across a large number of non-notable, unnecessary and/or redundant articles (IMO). I appreciate we have a group of passionate editors who largely would have good intentions, but I have come up with quite a list of articles that I believe warrant discussion. This is not aimed at anyone or anything like that (I think I even have developed some of the articles I've listed!), I just think we need to clean it up a bit and ensure we are not unnecessarily broadening our scope with coverage of trivial entries.
This list is not definitive, and I am expecting there will be various viewpoints on the way forward for at least some of these items!
P.S. I also have a new FLC listed for List of Gold Coast Football Club players, if anyone would like to check out :) – Allied45 ( talk) 05:19, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
My own laundry list of articles that need sweeping out are:
I could keep going, but that's my thoughts from a one-hour scan of the categories. Aspirex ( talk) 00:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Just a tiny observation... Been doing a bit of a cleanup on AFL Grand Final, and found a mention there of Colliwobbles (mentioned above). It wasn't linked. I linked it, because it's the right thing to do. I don't have any great feeling for it sticking around if consensus decrees otherwise, but just wanted to highlight that a more significant article does mention the phenomenon. (PS: Anyone else wanting to help with AFL Grand Final is very welcome. It's not in great condition.) HiLo48 ( talk) 07:23, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
The 2018 AFL Grand Final should be on Wikipedia's main page as an In The News item. It's not, because it appallingly referenced. See Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#2018 AFL Grand Final. There are two Australian nominations at ITN right now. {The recent death of Bob Jane is the other.) Both events look like not being posted for the same reason. Australian editors are gaining the image of not knowing how to properly cite their articles. Can anyone help please? HiLo48 ( talk) 03:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, I have just fixed up Template:Infobox Australian rules football season, in particular the wooden spoon parameter. If someone would like to go and fix up the all the AFL season pages as per this edit, that would be great. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
I have noticed all the "Match report" links used in the game templates for older seasons (i.e. in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011) are mostly now all dead. This is obviously a concern, as there is nothing stopping links used across other season pages from suffering the same fate at any point.
Some of the links have already been replaced by archived versions from the Wayback Machine, which is a great solution (here is an example). However, potentially many of these dead links may not have archived versions that can be used. How do others propose we tackle this for future? Would it be best to use the Wayback Machine to implement these reports each round rather than the live pages on the AFL website? Or should we only replace links as they "die" (remembering that it may not be possible to attain an archived version once they do, and we would have to continually check older links)? — Allied45 ( talk) 00:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
For those who are interested, I have nominated the 2017 AFL Rising Star page as a FLC ( see discussion here!) This is a part of my own goal to increase the quality of AFL-related articles and lists (since August 2018 I have successfully promoted Norm Smith Medal, List of Gold Coast Suns players and List of AFL debuts in 2008 to FL-status). Please feel free to leave any comments and feedback, as it would be great to get more AFL editors involved! Allied45 ( talk) 08:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Your WikiProject has been selected to participate in the WP 1.0 Bot rewrite beta. This means that, starting in the next few days or weeks, your assessment tables will be updated using code in the new bot, codenamed Lucky. You can read more about this change on the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team page. Thanks! audiodude ( talk) 06:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
You guys might be interested in this discussion I just started over at WP:OLYMPICS.
Cheers, Gibbsy spin 10:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Good evening all,
In
Talk:Yvonne Bonner I included the as yet nonexistent "AFLW=yes"
field in the "WikiProject AFL" template. Should this parameter be included in the WikiProject AFL" template?
Pete AU aka --
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10:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
If anyone has the time, 2019 VFL season needs some attention ;) -- SuperJew ( talk) 09:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can see this was last discussed in 2016, before the AFLW began. From my point of view, the AFLW clubs now easily pass the notability test and should have separate articles. I created Adelaide Football Club (AFL Women's) and this got reverted on the basis that (a) I should not have done this without consensus and (b) all clubs should be done at once. My argument in response is that you've got to start somewhere, so why not just be bold and do it, starting with Adelaide. Thoughts? Adpete ( talk) 03:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
IMO, the question isn't whether they should have their own pages, but how much should be left on the men's team page. Obviously a brief mention and link to the women's page is a given, but should both AFL & AFLW captains/coaches be listed in the infobox? Should AFLW All-Australians be removed from the awards list? Commonname/primarytopic would rule out needing to rename the men's page to "XXX FC (men's)" or similar, but you can see on Fremantle Football Club how I've integrated the history, records and squads of the 2 teams into 1 page - as strictly speaking they are 2 teams in 1 club. I guess the best/cleanest outcome would be to remove all, but hatlink selected sections to easily switch between the 2 pages. The-Pope ( talk) 13:46, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Certainly no need for "men's team" articles. Either all in one article, or the articles for the women's teams are split from the main club articles. I would recommend simply building the women's teams' content in the main club articles, and then splitting them off into their own article if they are big enough. Absolutely no need to alter templates, move the existing articles, or create new articles for the men's teams. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 04:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)