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Who on here has an account on Airliners.net?
IBERIA747 (Alfonso) is the author of this image: He said so on this airliners.net page: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4477362/
I thought it was authored by Xocolata, who uploaded it onto EN at File:Sede_de_Iberia_en_Madrid.jpg (I subsequently uploaded it into commons here: File:Sede_de_Iberia_en_Madrid.jpg, because I was unaware of the image's history), but the rest of Xocolata's images were found to be copyvios, and I found the original photobucket page, so it is likely that he didn't ask permission to upload the image.
Would someone mind asking IBERIA747 for permission to use the image (I assume he and Xocolata are not the same person)? His profile is here: http://www.airliners.net/profile/iberia747 - His e-mail has been withheld. I am not sure if Airliners.net members may contact each other internally.
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I have just logged onto A.net and have sent IBERIA747 an email. YSSYguy ( talk) 01:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Is Barbara Jane Harrison of interest to this WP? If so, the talk page needs tagging. Mjroots ( talk) 12:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to pester this editor too much, so I thought I'd post here. I am just wondering if this editor's removal of this is okay. It seems like useful information. Similar content has been removed from other articles on March 5, 2010 with the edit summary "route / haul not notable". I don't know much about airlines, but I keep an eye on Hainan Airlines article and noticed it. Please advise. Here is my post to the editor in question. (I'm watching this page.) Thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:54, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I don't know if this project was ever notified (I can't find a record of it if it was), but Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907 is up for featured article review at WP:Featured article review/Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907/archive1. The review has moved to the FARC section, where declarations are made for keeping the article as a FA or delisting it from that status. No declarations have been made since the FARC began almost a month ago, and so we need to get a few more eyes on this review. Any comments from interested editors, especially experts in this field, will be welcomed! Dana boomer ( talk) 23:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Two dead in Darwin air crash. WWGB ( talk) 11:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Please take a look at Safair. This company owns aircraft. It leases some of them to other companies. It operates some of them itself - mainly for cargo charter flights. One thing is does not do is operate flights on predetermined schedules and routes. As I understand the meaning of the word it does not fit the definition of an "airline". Somewhere on the main project page there should be a concise definition of "airline". Roger ( talk) 11:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
There has been some edit warring with two editors at Philippine Airlines destinations and Pakistan International Airlines destinations. The region which was named "Southwest Asia" has now been changed to "Western Asia". HELP!!! Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
If there is a Southwest Asia then where the heck is West Asia??? its dosent seem to exist on wikipedia which has Central Asia, North Asia, East Asia, South Asia and Southeast Asia, I think there should also be a Northeast Asia. 116.71.61.88 ( talk) 20:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone
Apperently there's no standard for citing timetables I'm aware of. The way I am doing it now on the TWA destinations page is: <TWA Timetable, Jun. 1, 1949, 4: flight 7>, for example. If there's a standard way to do this, let me know. Having checked many airline wiki pages, I don't see a single citation to a timetable print source.
Thanks
Chris Chris874664 ( talk) 21:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback. I guess there are any number of legitimate ways to do it.
Does anyone think wiki should establish its own particular protocol here? I don't think I've ever seen one put out by the MLA or any other traditional citation system.
Chris Chris874664 ( talk) 05:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Sp33dyphil I don't think a timetable should be added-Wikipedia is not a directory. Sp33dyphil 09:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
US Airways LGA focus city didn't close yet. I try to readd info box text:
I think focus city should listed until closure happenings. Other editor disagree and wanting to blocks me:
Can you deciding whether 'future former focus city' should be okay? Thanks. -- B767-500 ( talk) 16:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't see it specifically called out on the page content guidelines. Do we consider a list of aircraft names to be encyclopedic? An IP editor added them to Virgin America the other day and I just cleaned up the list a bit, but I'm not sure it belongs. Frontier Airlines gets a list (not of names, but of the animals on each tail) because of the individual tail art, but I notice we don't have a list of names on JetBlue Airways. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 20:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Sterling Airlines destinations has been listed for deletion. Arsenikk (talk) 11:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
V Australia destinations has recently been created, seems to me that an airline with so few destinations doesn't need a separate list for them. Opinions? YSSYguy ( talk) 00:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that some airlines (e.g. Air Pacific destinations, Transaero destinations, Hong Kong Airlines) have Hong Kong listed as if it were an independent country. I went ahead moved Hong Kong under PRC. Shouldn't Hong Kong be listed as a city under PRC since it is a "Special Administrative Region"? Snoozlepet ( talk) 05:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering how we should list PRC:
OR
Since some airline destination pages have both ways written, i was wondering if both ways are acceptable. Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 18:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Before the few of you get all excited over this, perhaps you are not aware that in the earlier stable versions of the destination lists, China was presented as "People's Republic of China" and still listed as thou it begins with "C". This is why the PRC appears first in most pages for East Asia. People don't get lost looking for "China", and there is no need to add additional bytes of wikicodes.-- Huaiwei ( talk) 14:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
How should Taiwan be listed as on airline destination lists? Should it be listed as "Taiwan (Republic of China)", "Republic of China (Taiwan)" or "China, Republic of (Taiwan)"? (I'd of course expect that this rule wouldn't apply to destination lists of defunct airline companies that were shut down before 1945 or 1949.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.237.150.205 ( talk) 18:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Jesus, again, please be aware that you guys are stepping on an hornet's nest. See [1] for the far more established consensus which was arrived after years of discussions by countless folks, and not concensus reached between three people in 7 days. If you wish to change that consensus, feel free to begin the discourse in the talkpage over there.-- Huaiwei ( talk) 14:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Lately I've obtained images of several airline headquarters (
Etihad,
Finnair,
Scandinavian Airlines,
Virgin Blue)
Here are a listing of several that are still needed:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The Finnair and Malev requests have been fulfilled. WhisperToMe ( talk) 14:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
We have important discussion on Delta's talk page which may impacts articles for any airlines which they using a hub and spoke model. So, I make posting here to ask for resolutions or inputs. Basic problem is DL claiming to have CDG as hub which offering nothing connections on own equipments. Maybe airline boasting for marketing purpose to have a second European hubs (this is my opinions). We have long discussion here. Thanks. -- B767-500 ( talk) 20:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Came across Air Fecteau, which is in terrible need of work if it is to be kept. It seems like a fairly notable airline to me, perhaps some of you chaps in North America could have a look and decide whether it should be kept and fixed, or deleted. YSSYguy ( talk) 02:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm out of time reverting the edits done by User:Floribert Piña and User:Brandon Steven Piña Sanchez, which seem to be one and the same editor. Most edits seem like deliberate errors with a small amount of "good" edits. Please help cleaning things up. HkCaGu ( talk) 05:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 06:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Air India recently made Delhi as its Primary Hub. This is very much true because Delhi has more Air India Flights than Mumbai. The reason for doing this was that Mumbai is over saturated and over-crowded compared to Delhi. Each and every new aircraft lands at Delhi during its delivery flight. Paris and Tokyo now originate from Delhi and not from Mumbai. No new destinations are being launched from Mumbai compared to Delhi which has seen Washington,D.C. and Toronto flights. This is enough proof that Delhi is Air India's new Primary hub. [2] ( Kshitij85 ( talk) 15:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC))
Hello all. I like to edit fleet tables to bring them up to expectations but recently there has been problems regarding table colours. I have a proposition that is already in place for just one airline alliance.
Your opinions? Zaps93 ( talk) 15:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
When should I begin writing an article about this airline? This proposed airline (planned to be based out of Carlsbad, CA) seems to be in the news a lot, but I'm not sure when I should begin writing the article... WhisperToMe ( talk) 10:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, can someone just pop into the article for Vietnam Airlines, have a read of it, and leave some feedbacks and comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Vietnam Airlines/archive1; any input, no matter how small, is greatly appreciated. I'm doing this to give it a bit of cleanup. Thanks Sp33dyphil 21:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
?? So, how I can peer review an article? I can tries to contributes with my poor English. Hope you doesn't mind my ESL backgrounds!? -- B767-500 ( talk) 06:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
A new peer review for Vietnam Airlines has been set up at Wikipedia:Peer review/Vietnam Airlines/archive2. Comments are urgently needed, no matter how small. Please add to the discussion. Thanks Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions) 10:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the Incidents and accidents section on Allegiant Air? Of the six items listed, only one is sourced and two had reported minor injuries, the rest had none. I don't think any of them meet our notability criteria, but I'd like a second opinion before removing the section. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 18:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The article reads: "Adria Airways d.d. is the flag carrier airline of Slovenia and its main base and hub is Ljubljana Jože Pučnik Airport." Any ideas what the d.d stands for? I couldn't dind it on Wikipedia. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 10:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC) edit: same with Croatia Airlines.
Hi
I just moved the page from Taurus to JEIC
I cannot find the airline code for it though. On the Airline code page it is listed as JEI but when I search the IATA/ICAO codes it does not seem to be correct
Can someone help please
thanks... Chaosdruid ( talk) 10:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I reverted the
Air India destinations article because
User:Inspector123 had changed the format as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Air_India_destinations&oldid=367700781
Should we keep it like this or stick to the old format? ( Kshitij85 ( talk) 10:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC))
If one looks at the history of Transaero one can see that photos from the fleet box are continually being removed claiming that consensus is that photos are not to go into fleet tables. Can someone please direct me to where this consensus is? If there is no consensus, then can I suggest that we gain consensus on the use of photos in fleet tables. -- Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that this Flight Global page http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%200594.html?search=%22Air%20Ceylon%22 shows many airlines as having "AL" acronyms for airline and "AW" for airways. I redirected Ariana Afghan AL to Ariana Afghan Airlines. Would anyone like to establish redirects for the acronyms seen on the page? WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It sounds like Air Exel and KLM exel are the same airline. Should they be merged? WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Just came across Silverfly (airline) which appears to be just a tour operator that uses aircraft of Berjaya Air. Does not appear to be a licensed airline but looking for any sources before suggesting deletion or otherwise, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
The artice on ASACO says it is a charter airline with one MD-11 operated for it by Mid East Jet. Cant find any evidence that it is an airline appears to be just an aircraft owned by the Ahd Al-Saudia Company an IT company. Any sources or suggestion welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I've been looking at this article and it seems to be a mostly disjoint collection of facts and historical events. I was wondering if anyone had information on reliable sources that I could use to expand and rewrite this article in an attempt to improve its overall quality/readability. Thanks, Vedant ( talk) 22:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
[5] Is this resolved? Should Taiwan be 'Taiwan (Republic of China)', 'Republic of China (Taiwan)', or simply 'Taiwan' or 'Republic of China'? 112.118.163.236 ( talk) 20:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Another editor recently made me aware of this, where a destination article has a completely different format and structure from what we have been using across the project. Granted this Braathens article managed to get featured, but it also is part of the aviation project. Any thoughts on the best was to address this? Thanks, Jasepl ( talk) 18:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Well the list as it has been reformatted now contains considerably more information than the previous version (as sanctioned by the Aviation project) did. It is heavily referenced, and contains information that may be of interest to people outside the aviation project, such as airport codes. As for flags, well if an article meets the Manual of Style, and in particular WP:MOSFLAG then that's just fine. I can't see why there's so much emphasis on "getting rid of flags" to be honest. The reversions of the most recent list are borderline vandalism, show a clear display of ownership and a total lack of respect for editors who are actively seeking to improve the content of the encyclopedia. As for whether it's a list or an article, a quick breeze over our current candidates for promotion, or those which have been recently promoted will show that lists now (for about the past year or so) have a thorough and comprehensive lead, not just "This is a list of x destinations." Standards improve, and hopefully the aviation project can move with the times too. The Rambling Man ( talk) 07:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I've done a draft of
Tiger Airways Australia destinations on my sub page,
User:Sb617/Tiger Airways Australia destinations, following the similar FA-style format from the above. I have removed Australian state/territory flags however and currently working on other references. Will be sorting out a layout before transferring it to mainspace.
Sb617 (
contribs)
07:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice work both of you :) Sb617: I think you are correct to not use subnational flags. To answer Aviator006's questions:
align=center | —
(that is a center-aligned
em dash) in the state/province column. We currently do not denote US cities by non-North American carriers with state suffixes; I believe the rationale is that most US cities are more known than most states. Among for instance Norwegians (people who almost all read English and are potential en.wikipedia users), very few have heard of places like Illinois or Massachusetts, but many know about Chicago and Boston. Because intercontinental airlines will only fly to major cities, it can be presumed that the cities are more well-known that the state they are in. This is of course not the case for smaller cities served by domestic carriers.
Arsenikk
(talk)
11:00, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
<sup>[hub]</sup>
, as this created the nice "box-and-text", but doesn't create a link to the notes section.
Arsenikk
(talk)
19:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)I just converted Virgin America (it doesn't have a separate destinations article) to use the table format, based on Tiger Airways destinations. A couple changes to the table format I made as I was working:
Also, I found the formatting for the colored backgrounds and tags for Hub, Focus city, and Future date to be rather non-intuitive. Perhaps we should make templates for these? -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 05:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I've updated the guidelines over at WP:Airlines documentation pages to incorporate the table format (as one of two options to list destinations) in guidelines after reading the comments again, there seems to be enough consensus where both formats can be supported. Sb617 ( Talk) 23:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I see the smarties who created the new format have vanished, how spineless can you get. The list is sortable there is no need to cut it into continents and regions, the whole purpose of the new format has been F*****, now its become into a decorative thing to please retards so they can play around and create their own styles, will the sleeping admin wake up and take charge. 119.155.43.207 ( talk) 19:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 119.155.43.207 ( talk) 19:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I've got many points I think is worth mentioning regarding articles and the way it is set up:
Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions)(Feed back needed @ Talk page) 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
We got some consistency problems and have important discussions:
My text stating something like this:
Basic problem is Delta is hiding mainline figure because they trying to boasting destination count.
Please give some inputs because affects all major carriers. -- B767-500 ( talk) 03:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
“ | I think we need a consensus as to how to list the total number of destinations ... | ” |
— GDilemma |
“ | Concur that cited references need to be used, and given preference in the absence of other reliable sources. Also, I'm concerned that other airline articles are being used as the standard for this article, ... | ” |
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Zaps93 has added a fleet section to the International Airlines Group with the edit summary that as it had been done on AMR Corporation then it should be OK for IAG. I removed the list and put in a summary just saying the total fleet of the subsidaries. Zaps has reverted the change using AMR as an example. I have put it back as before as the onus is on new info to gain consensus not the other way around. I see no encyclopedic need to list a detailed fleet list table in a holding company that itself does not have any aircraft it is just a legel entity to control the other companies. Looking for others to comment either to support Zaps inclusion of fleets in holding companies or otherwise. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
While doing some vandalism reversion yesterday, I reverted a deletion of an "Incidents and Accidents" section in the Great Barrier Airlines. It had been deleted and restored once before. For the second deletion the edit summary indicated that the deleted content was erroneous. The deleted content has several citations (all to the same newspaper) and seemed to be an OK rendering of the source material. I reverted and attempted to start a discussion about what the article should include [ [6]]. Today most of the same content was deleted by a similar I.P. Here's the diff [ [7]], so you can see what was cut. Is there any reason it is inappropriate to include this material in an article about an airline? I would appreciate any comments you would care to make. I'm trying discuss the issue at the article's talk page before reverting again. Thanks! Susfele ( talk) 02:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Following comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Aviation#Notability guidelines for aviation companies a discussion about notability of airlines and aviation companies has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines/Notability, comments welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
On the hubs and focus cities in the infobox, most hub airports already has the city the airport is served in the name. For airports that do not include the city in its name, should we put them in parenthesis beside the airport name or leave it alone (meaning do not put the cuty in parenthesis). This was not discussed before. Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 15:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Swedish charter operator has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Torair, comments welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Should Airline Affinity Programs be placed under Services? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp33dyphil ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Steven Slater was the flight attendant that exited his flight (JetBlue Airways Flight 1052) via the emergency chute following an altercation with a passenger on 9 August 2010. His article has been nominated for deletion. Should it be deleted? Do we still need some other coverage of this incident? Your comments, pro or con (along with any precedents), would be helpful. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs) 15:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Do tables of top served cities add anything of encyclopedic value? Personally I think that all we need is the hubs and focus cities. See AirTran Airways for an example. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I posted this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Defunct Airlines but it wasn't clear to me how active that group is, so I am reposting here.
It all started with a new entry on the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Canada list, Articles for deletion/Air Brasd'or. I started digging into figuring out if it could be saved and noticed some patterns common to it and some other aviation articles such as Air Fecteau
I think the same person with weak English skills and an interest in the airline industry has been trying to create articles on defunct, small North American carriers using several accounts. I don't think this person understands our rules on things like verifiability, notability and, of course, sock-puppetry. At the same time, I think this person is well-intended and these little carriers are notable but hard to verify (because they went under before the advent of the Internet so media articles are not available on the Internet). I think with further work finding sources plus some coaching for the editor, some of these articles have potential, as does the editor. For more info, see:
Normally I look askance at things like sockpuppetry, but from reading the communications, I think this person has been genuinely befuddled by our processes. (For instance, deletions: do remove the tag to dispute a "PROD" but never, ever remove the tag to dispute an "AfD" or a "CSD". For a brand new editor getting multiple articles deleted using multiple processes, this protocol must seem pretty obscure, especially when your English is weak.)
Current AfDs underway:
If you can find references to allow saving these articles, please do so. In any event, please comment as to which one you think should be saved or deleted.
I recovered the following deleted articles and put them in their respective users' user space:
Feel free to edit and improve these.
Other articles needing help with notability (some were created by others):
I believe even the smallest carriers are inevitably notable if you dig hard enough for reliable sources, however it takes more than my opinion to make an article eligible for inclusion here. Is there aviation industry stuff you use that's out there that I'm overlooking (I rely primarily on Google web and News Archive searches)? Is there print material I'm likely to find at my library? -- A. B. ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Project. We're missing an article on Exploits Valley Air Services, who provide some services under contract to Air Canada in Newfoundland and Labrador. To my mind, this makes them at least vaguely notable and worthy of a short article, even if they only have one or two aircraft allocated to this work. It seems a couple of attempts at this a while ago have resulted in speedy deletion (see logs). I've started a stub in my user space ( User:RFBailey/Exploits Valley Air Services) but don't have much source material (e.g. where can I find ICAO and IATA codes, or callsigns?), so some help would be appreciated. Thanks, -- RFBailey ( talk) 02:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The move request for Japan Airlines Flight 472 (1977) could use some input. Vegaswikian ( talk) 00:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Is the airline considered defunct or is it technically still operating but operations are suspended until further notice? Snoozlepet ( talk) 06:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This person Kishtji is going around changing Indian city names to their old ones like Calicut, Cochin, Trivandrum, Banares, Calcutta, all these have new names on wikipedia in article titles/headers, tell him not to do this he keeps reverting edit when I change it. 116.71.9.191 ( talk) 10:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
There have been a lot of airline articles being deleted with little cause. Correct me if I am wrong the airlines project regards any airline that is or has functioned as notable and deserving of an article or at least part of an article for a re-direct. Petebutt ( talk) 15:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've just noticed that China Southern's fleet list had been tampered with. Someone added the orders to the total number. I guess I've managed to sort it out quite alright, but I'm not sure if now the order numbers are correct. Could someone with an insight verify the data? Thanks. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Request deletion of this page as it contains too little information to warrant it, destinations table merged in main article now. 116.71.6.56 ( talk) 09:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Some editors keep restoring an irrelevant sub-section labelled return to London, on Iraqi Airways destinations section in main article page, I dont understand their obsession to accord special status to the London resumption over other European or non-European routes, more so since its old news. An updated paragraph on London service is already posted in the airline article for 2010 developments, including relevant information on why the route was dropped, so there is no need for this outdated and invalid bit to be there or be accorded special status over others nor be restored after deletion. 119.155.42.22 ( talk) 23:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello, during the past few days I have been adding HQ info of airlines, but some people have been reverting my edits, saying that it didn't comply with the Template:Infobox airline. I'm trying to do my bit and add as much info as I could. My point is, should we be specific or general? Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions) 05:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to revive this matter but WhisperToMe has been adding excessive head office detail to airline articles. I have just reverted such an addition to Airlink. As he/she was party to this discussion I can no longer assume good faith when he/she goes against the consensus arrived at in this discussion. Roger ( talk) 16:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Did consensus change on the use of flags in destination sections or articles? A series of reversions over the past few days at Hawaiian Airlines destinations led me to check the project's style guide, and I saw that it now states that flags can be used (emphasis mine). Looking at the history, I see that User:Sp33dyphil made this change on July 22; previously it stated that flags are not to be used. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 15:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Flags are only acceptable in the new table format destination lists like here JALways destinations, not in the former style ones. Special:Contributions/119.155.42.22|119.155.42.22]] ( talk) 23:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Too few destinations to have a seprate page, kindly redirect to main Kam Air article. 116.71.23.1 ( talk) 14:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. 119.155.55.183 ( talk) 10:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Page 130 of the book The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down refers to the airline Xieng Khouang Air Transport, nicknamed "Air Opium" - It was an airline that the CIA gave to Vang Pao that flew opium shipments from Long Tieng to Vientiane. Does anyone know more about this airline? WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:56, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
When an airline officially announce plans for new destinations without confirmed dates just mentioning month and year of proposed routes, why are some editors against listing these in destinations? obviously dates will be announced eventually, and even if not, if the routes arent launched by the end of the given month, remove them then but not before. Also since these destinations are listed carrying a valid reference quoting official sources, be it from airline website or other media, whats the issue with not accepting it?
Then theres this stance agisnt listing domestic and internationl destinations seperately in airport articles, for example an airlines flies to 5 domestic and 10 international routes why cant we list them seprate using the airlines name twice, even if operating from same terminal so they dont appear jumpled and confusing. 116.71.11.5 ( talk) 14:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
FYI, I have nominated Metis TransPacific Airlines for deletion. The AFD is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metis TransPacific Airlines - MBK 004 06:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I found the existence of Southwest Airlines (future) interesting. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Request redirection to main airline article, due to limited information for a seprate page to exist on the subject. 116.71.20.115 ( talk) 00:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The airport serving the state of Goa is only recognised as serving the state not any city even though its located near a small one called Vasco da Gama, IATA and all airlines flying there only mention GOA being served in schedules etc, yet some Indian editors are insistiong on adding Vasco da Gama as a destination to the lists as being served, which is not the case, if so then cities near all airports like in tiny Island nations should also be allowed to be listed. Help resolve this. 116.71.20.115 ( talk) 00:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
There had been some progress in photography of airline headquarters. Here are some requests that are still outstanding:
Africa
Asia
North America
South America
WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:44, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
On the Japanese Wikipedia I found ja:ANAウイングス - ANA Wings. I suspect it's a new airline, and it needs an article on the English Wikipedia. At a later point I'll go look for English sources for " ANA Wings." WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, the Vietnam Airlines article has a cargo fleet table, though I believe there aren't any Vietnam Airlines cargo planes, rather passenger planes are also transporting freight pallets. Is there anyone with a deeper insight who can sort this out? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 09:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
There are a large amount of flights ending in April 2011 from the current Focus Airports of SJU and BOS. The schedule out of SJU/BOS primarily only has mainline AA to their hubs, and only very few point to point routes flying out of SJU/BOS (if any), which IMO pretty much leaves BOS/SJU as large "spoke" stations after that date, rather than a focus city. In addition, LGA only has 5 mainline (AA) destinations, whilst their regionals (MQ) do most of their flying. Is it safe to say that AA is ending their focus city ops by April of 2011?, or is it safer to wait for either a for a official release and/or reliable source that the focus cities are being closed. Sb617 ( Talk) 05:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Sigh. "Holding company guy" is back with his scare quotes and his current target seems to be distinguishing defunct branding for airlines within an airline (e.g. Song) from defunct branding applied to regional airlines (e.g. America West Express) on {{ Airlines of the United States}}. I originally objected as the distinction seemed a bit excessive, but as I think about it, I notice we don't list currently active brands (e.g. Delta Connection) in the template at all. There was some discussion about this back in early 2009 on the template's talk page and while there doesn't seem to have been much support for keeping these sections, they weren't removed (I don't recall if there was discussion here as well). -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 17:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Editor Ohconfucious is delinking some places and flags as per WP:Linking, see BMI destinations for reference, is it ok or not?. 116.71.8.165 ( talk) 04:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, currently I'm working on finding sources for airline articles which are currently lacking any reference. So far (only doing a quick search), I was not able to find some for the following articles, so maybe one of you might want to sort it out? Or, otherwise I'd guess the whole article should be deleted.
Additionally, the following airlines have unreferenced destination lists: ALMA de México, Adam Air, Air Algérie, Air Midwest, Air Méditerranée, Air Transat, Air Wisconsin.
Some more issues:
Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it, because I tried and couldn't find out any further info, which means that I strongly tend to delete all those airlines whose notability cannot be verified. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 22:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I have just removed a fleet list from Aden Airways as it includes a detailed list of all the aircraft operated and individual aircraft histories. I understand that such detailed list dont meet the guideline Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines) although it mentions dont include aircraft registrations it actually doesnt mention complete aircraft histories. The individual history of an aircraft is not really relevant to the airline article and if for example an aircraft has x owners then repeating a detailed history in x articles is clearly not of encylopedic value. In my opinion this sort of detail should be left the enthusiast websites who do a good job of providing aircraft history details. User:Mjroots who created the article has restored the content while it is being discussed. Any comments ? MilborneOne ( talk) 21:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
PIA disambiguation page lists Pakstan International Airlines seprately as main user of PIA acronym saying PIA stands for blah, blah, blah, national flag-carrier of Pakistan, and then states "PIA may also refer to:....." with other examples listed below it, why cant Pakistan International Airlines be listed in there alphabetically rather then being singled out as main user of PIA acronym, this dosent seem to be the case with other articles or airlines in disambiguation pages especially related to acronym use such as KLM, JAL, LOT, SAS and various other airline/non airline ones. 119.155.36.163 ( talk) 12:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
... which make it obvious that finally an inclusion standard for airlines is needed.
... and jet another two: Air Vardar and Arsh Air. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 00:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've just come across this article. It is completely unreferenced (I couldn't find any sources either), and may contain deliberately wrong information. The airline is listed nowhere as the operator of any Boeing or Airbus aircraft. Who can help to solve this issue? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Is it necessary for an airlines destinations to be listed in an airport article? it involves the hassle of having to go through schedules that keep changing to update, also some editors are againt adding destinations that do not have traffic rights, isnt the destinations section supposed to just let the person know which cities are connected to that airport with/ or without traffic rights. Also why cant tech stops be listed in airport articles if not elsewhere? 116.71.16.208 ( talk) 06:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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New name is Sri Guru Ram Das Jee International after 4th Sikhism Guru, Guru Ram Das, but someone else had edited it to Sri Ram International saying its after a Hinduism's God Ram, which is not the case as seen here http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cabinet-nod-for-renaming-Amritsar-airport-after-4th-Sikh-guru/articleshow/6873021.cms title of ATQ article still needs to get new name. inspector ( talk) 08:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Working on an article on airline scope clauses. Not having much success finding sources. Any help is appreciated. The article is in
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Why do terminated airports have to be listed for terminated destinations? Bangkok as a city is still served by JALways but the destination list includes the terminated Dong Mueang Airport, which turned domestic and all international carriers were moved to Suvarnabhumi, its not like JO had suspended BKK ops and then returned but this time to the new airport that the older one should be included in the list.
More than one airport for a terminated city should only be included:
1. if the airline served more than one or all airports for that city simultaneously, e.g LCY, LGW, LHR, LTN and/or STN.
2. if the city continues to be served but one or more of the various airports the carrier served simultaneously, have been dropped, e.g LGW and LTN continue but LHR, STN have been suspended.
3. if the carrier dropped the city and its original or main airport and then resumed service to the city but to a secondary airport, e.g London service suspended where main and only airport being served was LHR, and the then London is resumed but this time with LGW.
4. if carriers suspends city twice, once where it served the main airport and a second time where the secondary airport was served, e.g as in #3 LHR and LGW.
Not to be listed:
1. if airline transfers operations from one airport to another by choice, e.g ORY to CDG.
2. if airline is moved, e.g THR to IKA when the former one turned domestic.
3. if airport closed and replaced with new facility, e.g HKG Kai Tak to Chek Lap Kok. Bangkok falls in #2 and 3, so Don Mueang should not be included even when it shuts down.
What about the changed names?
And how to list terminated countries, airports and cities with changed names like Yugoslavia should it be included as Serbia, Bombay as Mumbai, Sri Guru Ram Dass Airport as Raja Sansi Airport or spellings, e.g Pusan as Busan, or codes like Baghdad SDA as BGW? 116.71.3.7 ( talk) 16:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 00:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I just created the abovementioned article. It is dubious whether the referenced are reliable and significant enough to pass WP:CORP, which is why I'm posting the matter here, hoping for some help and advice. Feel free to contribute and edit the article draft. This is also discussed here. As an alternative, the content could also be merged into Air Rum, which is owned by the same parent company as Petra Airlines. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
A user has redirected the Air Jamaica article to Caribbean Airlines-Air Jamaica Transition Limited, which hs created today. Unfortunately, his new "article" is quite sparse, and contains no history on the orignal airline! In addition, the title suggest the article is about a holding company, not an airline. It seem to me that as long as AJ is operating under that name, the information should all remain at Air Jamaica. If the airline ceases to operate, then it the article would cover a defunct airline. Any help in reconciling this issue would be appreciated. - BilCat ( talk) 01:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
OK, I've proposed a merger at Talk:Air Jamaica#Proposed merger. - BilCat ( talk) 04:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I noticed that the spelling of the airline's name was changed to airberlin all over the article, though the title (and the spelling everywhere else) remains Air Berlin. It is claimed that AB officially changed its name, which indeed seems to be true, because at least in press releases, the airberlin spelling is used since 8 September, replacing the former Air Berlin (source: [10]). On the other hand, the company address is still "Air Berlin PLC & Co. Luftverkehrs KG" What are your thoughts on this matter? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 11:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, just noticed that Aerovías Nacionales de Puerto Rico and Puertorriqueña de Aviación have exactly the same page content. Who can sort it out? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 21:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, is the company name VIM Airlines or VIM Avia? The article makes no clear statement regarding this question. Further, I need someone who can update the destination list. There is a online timetable, but it's only in Russian. Thanks in advance. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 18:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, someone needs to have a look at the aircraft fleet of Tiger Airways. The article states that is consists of 21 aircraft (though as of January), but the sources I can find are saying 18 [11], 12 [12] or 13 [13]. Who is right? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:48, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Too few places to warrant a seprate page, more so since they are further reducing their network. So please redirect to main airline article 119.155.33.80 ( talk) 22:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I noticed that the destination list in the abovementioned article does not state any references or sources. All I could find was [14], stating that the airline only operates the following network:
Who has a deeper insight and can sort this out? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 12:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The freight division of Saudi Arabian Airlines was privatised and renamed Saudi Airlines Cargo from Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo, a while ago, (like China Eastern Airlines Cargo became China Cargo Airlines after going private) so should it get its own brief seprate article now rather than be included in the main Saudi Arabian Airlines one, same as China Cargo Airlines has its own, as for the argument they should have seprate IATA and ICAO codes, its invalid as China Cargo has same codes as China Eastern, besides Emirates SkyCargo, Singapore Airlines Cargo, LAN Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo, Shanghai Airlines Cargo, Air China Cargo, MASkargo, Aeroflot Cargo be they privatised or not, have seprate articles, the only one merged/redirected back into main airline was El Al Cargo article. 116.71.16.224 ( talk) 22:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've just rewritten the Eurowings article. There are two issues I could need some help with:
Many thanks for your help! Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 22:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Whats the concensus on this? can for e.g, Czech Republic be listed as Czechoslovakia if the airline flew to it in pre-seperation times, in this case an article on the former country exists or should id be listed as (Czech Republic|Czechoslovakia) or (Czechoslovakia|Czech Republic) where clicking will lead to either one of the latter named articles.
What about city names that have changed where only the article title has been renamed at wikipedia e.g, Bombay to Mumbai, should the city be listed as Bombay as the airline served it under that name or should it be (Mumbai|Bombay) a direct-redirect :)), then theres the spelling thing Pusan became Busan, so if an airline dropped Pusan should it be listed as Pusan or (Busan|Pusan), in this case the airport name got respelled too from Kimpo to Gimpo. 119.155.44.186 ( talk) 01:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Just stepped over this article. I couldn't verify that this airline exists or existed (website ain't there, no aircraft listed nowhere). Someone here with a deeper insight? Otherwise, the article should be deleted. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 22:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, in the wake of today's accident at Domodedovo Airport, I found two sources suggesting that Dagestan Airlines has been renamed in January 2010 and is now called South East Airlines. Nothing's mentioned on the official website, though. Anyone here with a deeper insight? [16] [17] [18] Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 14:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I need help to figure out if this company is an airline at all (and if its notable per WP:CORP). The website [19] looks like a flight booking portal. Who has a deeper insight? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 12:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Quite a lot of flag icons have been creeping into airline articles lately, most often in the codeshare section but occasionally in random places like destination or lounge lists. In addition to the obvious difficulties with non-countries like Hong Kong and multinationals like SAS, these are pretty unequivocally WP:FLAGCRUFT and should, IMHO, be nuked on sight. Jpatokal ( talk) 12:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I've added this conclusion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines), with a link to this discussion. Mlm42 ( talk) 00:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
It looks like Sp33dyphil has started removing the flags but is being reverted. To prevent being reverted, try adding a link to this discussion in the edit summary, or to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airlines/page_content, which also links here. Mlm42 ( talk) 18:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that airlines that have hubs outside of their home country should have such INTERNATIONAL hubs listed at the very bottom, after alpha order of domestic hubs. I suggest this because it is very distracting to have a hub such as AMS/NRT/CDG/GUM listed alongside their domestic counterparts in alpha order. Clearly, international hubs are a gimmick and should be demoted on the list. I would appreciate input. -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 05:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
We dont normally add fleet lists to airline articles but the one at Frontier Airlines has one. Apart from being a bit of a mess is has now spawned Frontier Airlines fleet, is having different tail art make the fleet notable enough for this unusual treatment or could it just be reduced to some examples in the main article? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I am thinking about forming a group dedicated to improving a number of airline/aircraft/aviation-related articles, with the aim of giving these articles FA status during the next 5 weeks (from late-December to late-January/early-February. Members are needed who have an interest and/or some level of expertise on the aviation industry. The work is intensive, with activities such as finding information on the subject, proof reading, formatting templates/tables, as well as uploading relevant media (though this is not as important as the ones mentioned above).
Anybody interested please leave their signatures below, or drop me a message at my talk page. Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions)(Feed back needed @ Talk page) 00:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Notice that some airline article fleet lists have been changed to list the number of seats in each class (for example Emirates (airline)) and an editor wanted to add the info recently to British Airways. In my opinion the number of seats in each class is just not needed and provides no encyclopedic value as we are not a travel guide (or a fan boy airliner site). I can see a reasonable argument for listing the total seats to give an idea of the size of the aircraft but not for each class. The airline websites provide this information (as they are a travel guide) and we already link to the airline website. Anybody have any views on this, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I've just up a discussion to merge Air Luxor into Hi Fly, as the latter may be only a rebranding of the preceding. But I'm not sure, the information given in the articles in not clear. Who has a deeper insight and can help? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Could someone look at my undo of an anon edit here? This appears to be a return of the confusing terminology that one anon editor kept insisting on adding to articles in the past. This occurrence was in an inline template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vegaswikian ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Crystal Thai Airlines are launching operatins this year with services from Bangkok and Phuket to regional destinations according to their website route map perhaps a stub can be started on them. 119.155.33.113 ( talk) 18:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, i want to Add some more information about AlbaStar, Virgin Sun & Mint Airways, but i can't find anything else except what i have found. Please give me a hand if possible. -- MKY661 ( talk) 17:59, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Also can we find anything else on Andalus Lineas Aereas, Transavia Denmark and Jettime?
-- MKY661 ( talk) 00:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Too few to have a seprate page, please redirect to main airline article. 116.71.24.201 ( talk) 20:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
May I bring your attention to Continental Micronesia and Talk:Continental Micronesia. This is a delicate part of the UA-CO merger in that the Guam company's corporate status isn't locked stop with the operating certificate. HkCaGu ( talk) 18:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. Can anyone help me get ANY more information on AlbaStar, because no one has done any major edits except for me!
-- MKY661 ( talk) 00:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, I need someone with a deeper insight into the Pakistani airline market to solve the following issue: The above articles all seem to cover one charter operator, who seems to be linked to Airblue. It does not operate any aircraft, and I cannot find this "Siddiqui Air" listed in any fleet directories, so maybe it should just be merged and redirected? Thanbks for your help. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 11:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello again (I have a lot of problems don't I but we want these articles to be great). Any sign of the old Defunt Turkish charter airline Air Alfa anywhere. It doesn't seem to be on wikipedia. I have an Airliner World magazine that has got a bit of information on Air Alfa. -- MKY661 ( talk) 01:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
A tag for the merger of NACIL destinations into Air India destinations by User:AroundTheGlobe. I have started a section for discussion on the same over here. Looking forward to an active discussion on the same. Thanks, Why so serious? Talk to me 11:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
An IP user keeps dumping raw text accident data and other non relevant stuff into Key Lime Air appreciate some other editors looking in. MilborneOne ( talk) 00:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Anyone have any of the following
-- MKY661 ( talk) 00:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
so can we finally start using the same language as we use for most other regional carriers, in the info boxes? ie: "Alaska Airlines operated by Horizon Air," instead of just mentioning horizon as we do now. I cross posted this as AS talk but I think I might get a faster response here. 66.220.101.106 ( talk) 03:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello first of all, Monarch rule but I have ideas to improve the page.
(I am not trying to make Monarch a bad airline)
Please help me expand these problems, and lets work together to make these articles great!
-- MKY661 ( talk) 21:38, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
We already have images of each aircraft type they dont have to all be in the latest livery, not sure the article needs any more images. Not sure of the exact nature of the accidents but I suspect they were not notable if they have been removed before. Adding to the history is a good thing but they are other airline articles that need a lot more work than Monarch and I suspect if it gets any bigger it may have need to be spun out to a history of article. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
re: Incidents and accidents - Building on MilborneOne's comment above, the WP:Airlines "page_content" sub page gives guidelines for including incidents and accidents. Unless there was loss of life, loss of an airframe or the "event resulted in changes to procedures, regulations or processes affecting airports, airlines or the aircraft industry" they shouldn't be listed. Your frustration about what's listed in other articles is understandable, but work out that frustration by improving the other articles so their accident/incident sections are up to par. re: Photos - If the livery has changed and the new livery is not currently pictured, then it would probably be appropriate for -one- photo of a representative aircraft to appear in the article (one of each airframe/type gets into the gray area of what WP is not). Ch Th Jo ( talk) 21:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
We normally only mention aircraft registration if the aircraft is notable, more normally accidents and sometimes special paint schemes. Is this an example Air India fleet of what we should not be doing - or is the consensus to turn the encyclopedia to an aviation enthusiast website? MilborneOne ( talk) 16:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it necessary to mention the name of an aircraft and its registration which is done here? And what about this case? Why so serious? Talk to me 10:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we remove the useless [show]/[hide] {Collapsible list} for airlines. It is user unfriendly and takes an EXTRA CLICK. Thanks! -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 07:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi All, I'd appreciate your help in reverting the non-standard infobox [show]/[hide] rubbish in airline infoboxes. American Airlines and Continental Airlines need work. United Airlines and US Airways have been fixed or were not messed with by the rogue editor that inserted the unneeded junk. There are probably quite a handful of airlines that were messed up. -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 06:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Reading the above, I see only Inetpuppy and Hawaiian717 clearly stating a preference. Input from many more editors is needed. As a courtesy to all involved, you should hold off making changes until there have been a significant number of opinions expressed. Two is not enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch Th Jo ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
WP:IBX "the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts about the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose" and "wherever possible, present information in short form"
Please comment on how a list of hubs that is 20 lines long as in Delta Air Lines or the ridiculous example of a 46 item infobox list in Ryanair or the 20 item infobox list at EasyJet fits with the clear intent of the infobox style guide: to present a quick summary of information in short form.
In contrast to Inetpuppy's initial comment, I find an infobox with a ridiciulously long list of hubs to be unfriendly. You are forcing readers to scroll to see what is supposed to be a quick summary. Forcing readers to scroll is much, much more "unfriendly" than a simple mouse click to reveal a long list of airports. Collapsing the list allows the reader to get a quick glance at the entire Infobox - which is the whole intent of an infobox in the first place.
Perhaps a solution is to create a second infobox for -airline hubs- that can be placed under the main infobox. That would allow a reader to see all the other key facts at a glance without an abusively long list of airports cluttering up the infobox while satisfying the needs of those editors who want the hubs to appear in all their glory, uncollapsed, regardless of how ludicrously long the list is as in Ryanair? Ch Th Jo ( talk) 18:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Aircraft seat map has been nominated for deletion; while BVC Airlines is at AfD as well. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone think these lists look too complicated and need updating? 119.155.43.183 ( talk) 20:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Just a note - as I dont have time tonight but Northeast Bolivian Airways is suffering from being mainly a text dump in Spanish. If nobody else has time I will come back to it later, cant read Spanish but it may have been copied from somewhere. Thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 23:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
AFIK, LCC's typically have bases and not hubs. Then why do articles such as these: SpiceJet, IndiGo, Air India Express, GoAir, Air India Regional, JetLite have some airports mentioned as hubs? Is there anyway in which they can be changed to bases? And what about Jet Konnect and Kingfisher Red. Is it worth mentioning hubs/bases for them as these two are not separate airlines but merely low cost brands of Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines respectively? Thanks, Why so serious? Talk to me 08:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Should these articles be merged?
All three seem to be the same company WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
so its official that Alaska Airlines is absorbing their regional subsidiary Horizon Air and rebranding them as part of AS. Because of the prior branding relationship QX is listed completely separately from AS, in every airport destination box it or they appear in. We just use the term "Horizon Air" whereas we need to switch to "operated by" terminology now- so I was wondering if there is a bot available for a task like this?
and on a second note for editors who keep up on this kind of stuff, while the press release doesn't specify the operating names of this new setup, the new airplane graphics say Alaska Horizon as their main labeling. The question being, does this mean AS is branding their regional service "Alaska Horizon" or is it just a graphical misinterpretation? Considering we keep the regionals subset from their mainline parents, in all the dest. boxes, this is kind of serious issue. Before we redo all the QX related pages we need to know what the correct terminology will be
"Alaska Airlines operated by Horizon Air"
"Alaska Horizon operated by Horizon Air"
"Alaska Airlines operated by Alaska Horizon"
66.220.113.98 ( talk) 22:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Im trying to add niki's slogan onto the page but it wont let me. It is in the box on the edit page but not on the article itself. -- MKY661 ( talk) 22:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone has configured the page in such manner that edits made cannot be saved, please check, I tried to changed routes to destinations but it didnt appear despite the change being saved. 221.120.249.18 ( talk) 19:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree about putting the destinations on the actual page, but i think we should keep the seperate pages just in case loads more destinations start (I was also the creator of these pages) -- MKY661 ( talk) 23:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi again! There have been some more airline headquarters photos posted recently ( China Airlines and Iberia LAE are two major ones) - Here is a listing of some airline articles that still need headquarters photos:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The airlines IC code will stop being used from 29 January see all flights will be operated as Air India (AI coded), make whatever changes are needed to article, will destinations now be merged or also added to AI page? 119.155.33.94 ( talk) 17:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
User Schalkcity is listing the Caribbean Island nation as under Netherlands at KLM destinations, is this acceptable? Bonaire still retains its own flag while Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean is now part of France adopted the French flag, but its not listed as under France for destinations. 119.155.34.150 ( talk) 02:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Some one has started adding a "By Continent" section to table format destination lists of Gulf carriers Emirates, Qatar, Saudia, Etihad when I undid them two editors warned me of vandalism, is this new section addition authorised by concensus? if so I must say wikipedia is really getting screwed day by day. 119.155.43.57 ( talk) 18:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The airline serves too few places to warrant a seprate page, kindly redirect to main airline article, thank you. 119.155.45.212 ( talk) 10:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. 119.155.38.216 ( talk) 07:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyone fancing having a go at British Eagle. As it stands the article is need of having its referencing trimmed (the worst instance is a six line paragraph with 15 citations). I'm floundering around at the moment and could use a hand. My initial thought is to remove everything referenced to http://www.britisheagle.net since the website, though comprehensive, doesn't actually cite its own sources. But I'm sure that's not the right approach. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 21:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Apart from not having any references, the section lists routes instead of countries/cities dropped from network, is it acceptable? 119.155.38.216 ( talk) 07:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi
Need some help. Is it Iberworld or Iberworld Airlines? half the stuff i look at says Iberworld, and half the other stuff says Iberworld Airlines. Same with Jettime, half the stuff i look at says Jettime, and half the other stuff says Jet Time. -- MKY661 ( talk) 21:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
AfD going on here that could use a wider input of opinion as the course to take is not abundantly clear. Ravendrop 20:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone please help me expand about Transavia Denmark befor they cease? thanks -- MKY661 ( talk) 00:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Kindly change title to Air India Limited destinations as the company is now Air India Limited, thanks. inspector ( talk) 17:40, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg, sits in France in town of Mulhouse, but most airlines flying there are actually serving Basel in Switzerland across the border, Freiburg in Germany rarely features in any airline list, but some people are choosing to add Mulhouse and Freiburg to an airlines destination list even if the airline may only be flying to Basel, also they are choosing to list Basel under France just because the airport is there, while the concerned airlines schedule only shows Basel being served with the code BSL and not Mulhouse with the code MLH nor Freiburg with its code. How to resolve this, is there a concensus on the issue? 116.71.17.157 ( talk) 15:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Requesting redirect into main airline article, too few destinations being the reason. 119.155.61.11 ( talk) 20:09, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Alliance names are being repeated with each airline in these listings and that too in linked form, it dosent make sense, and causes clutter and distortion, what to do? perhaps using symbols for each alliance like some articles are doing would be better. 119.155.36.234 ( talk) 16:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Destinations lists of many Asian carriers are showing HKG listed under mainland China. 116.71.2.247 ( talk) 12:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I notice that MEL, BKK, SYD, and SIN are listed as focus cities for EK. However, by looking at the destinations the airline served from the airport(s), they are mostly point-to-point routes or just routes operating under the same plane and flight number. I have tag the section as "Citation Needed" if anyone can find proof that Emirates do have focus city operations at those airports. Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 23:16, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Page is looking all messed up with inclusion of three sets of tables, atleast ANZ link destinations should not be listed here and should be in those carriers own articles.Terminated destinations can be merged into destination table as done with Braathens destinations. 116.71.8.148 ( talk) 14:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Some IPs are continuing to add Milan as a future destination for ET. However, no press release for flights to Milan have been made and it is not listed as a desitnation on their website. Can anyone find a source that Ethiopian Airlines is indeed launching flights to MXP on June 15 and update it to the respective articles? Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
The carriers name is Royal Jordanian Airlines, why is the article title abbreviated? yes they market the name on aircraft in abbreviated form, so do PIA who use just Pakistan International, but their wiki article has full Pakistan international Airlines header. 116.71.21.218 ( talk) 20:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
The table has been merged into main airline article, kindly redirect to same. Also there seems to have been some vandalism in main article, fleet section was removed too, which has been restored. 116.71.8.226 ( talk) 04:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Any idea why they are doing this? I added new destinations there as well as a terminated routes section even telling them in edit summary that its all updated and sourced to EK website and english wiki atricle, but still they're not accepting it. 116.71.0.146 ( talk) 22:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
Pan Am was half owner of Pan American Grace Airways (Panagra), and in Pan Am timetables Panagra flights were listed separately from Pan Am ones. Some destinations that were only served by Panagra have been entered in the Pan Am Destinations page. My sense is they should be excluded. Anyone? (see wiki entree for Panagra).
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This subsidiary's fleet and destinations are fully merged with Kingfisher Airlines article fleet and destinations sections, yet it maintains a seprate article of it own, should it me merged into main Kingfisher Airline article as a subsection? 116.71.26.25 ( talk) 01:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Adding photos in table layout page is crunching the table with some places wrapping and not good to look at, prime example Ethiopian Airlines destinations, I say there should be a no photo policy in the table region, however photos may be added to sections above the table as in Dragonair destinations. If the table is there it look good not just merely serve its purpose as a table, or font should be reduced in size so there is no wrapping around, is that possible? 116.71.19.141 ( talk) 03:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone is reverting edits made to the article infobox to change IATA and ICAO codes for the carrier, its not using previous codes anymore after being merged into AI, it just operates using Alliance Air AOC thats all. Also should the subsidiariy's destinations and fleet be merged into Air India like KingFisher and KF Red and Air Asia Group articles? 116.71.19.141 ( talk) 03:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone has changed the format for listing countries/cities for part of the Pan Am destinations page, and also the TWA destinations page. Is this part of an ongoing change for all airline destination lists, or should it be changed back?
Chris874664 ( talk) 17:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
OK, 119.155, thank you. I will leave as is, and add new destinations w new format. Chris874664 ( talk) 07:26, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Are these accidents noteable. Safety reccomations were made or one of them. This is the sources http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/896.pdf http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Airbus%20A321-231,%20G-OZBN%2012-07.pdf
-- MKY661 ( talk) 22:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Which of the two are they? article says they are RAMX topic title is somerhing else. 119.155.47.98 ( talk) 23:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Please redirect to main airline article. 119.155.47.98 ( talk) 01:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
For information the Frontier Airlines fleet article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontier Airlines fleet. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Some country flags are not showing up in various airline table laoyout destination lists. inspector ( talk) 12:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. can we put Viking hellas destinations as a seperate page. it used to be but it was then redirected as there were not many flights, but now there is loads more than there used to be and it does waste the space on the article. -- MKY661 ( talk) 22:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone is adding airlines and routes that do not operate from DAC, keep a look out, I have cleaned it up for now. 116.71.12.37 ( talk) 11:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
This airline will end passenger operations from November, cargo service will continue, will a seprate article need to be created for cargo division or will the destinations page title be changed? 116.71.5.179 ( talk) 12:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Boeing have released on their photostream on Flickr a range of 400+ images under CC-BY licence. This stream was part of promotions for the Expo 2010 held in China last year. A web cache of their website confirms that these licences are legitimate. There are lots of photos of Boeing aircraft in China, but also a lot of historical photos as well. Any editors who are able to help upload these photos to Commons are welcome to do so. -- Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 05:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
They have all but ended freighter operations and most of the fleet is up for sale, this article should be merged with Air India as a sub-section eventually. 116.71.21.50 ( talk) 15:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. should I create a new article for Fly Hellas or use the Viking Hellas page to create it? -- MKY661 ( talk) 19:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Linking to a specific city in the destination lists has always seemed inappropriate since airports don't serve one city, but entire areas. While editing one article today, I noticed an unique solution to the problem. The link with the city name was actually to the airport. I'm wondering if this should become the standard? Clearly JFK while in NYC serves at least three states so when we say an airline has service to NYC it is entirely appropriate to link that to the airport. So instead of having a destination of New York City, we would have New York City. Comments? Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Any idea why the two carriers articles redirect to main airline one? I recall Cathay was at par with Singapore Airlines Cargo article, so why was it done away with? 116.71.18.152 ( talk) 13:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This airline was shut down in March, but someone is re-adding it to airport articles with "operated by El Al", does it still exist as company but with no fleet of its own? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.41.239 ( talk) 10:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this format wiki approved? especially check out destinations section, concise, well presented, though missing lots of cities, whole thing looks good in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.53.2 ( talk) 22:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Both have seprate articles and destination lists, plus IaTa and ICaO codes, yet cityhopper routes are now listed with KLM ones in KLM article, all other airlines subsidraies destinations are only listed in the subsidiary's own articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.59.74 ( talk) 20:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I dont know why photos on this page are being allowed in table layout listings, as the entire table gets screwed with wrapping around of text see List of Dragonair destinations, kindly disallow practice of photos in table layout destinations pages, its even odd that original articles on Scandinavian carriers featuring the same, got approved and star ranked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.47.11 ( talk) 15:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Iberworld has rebranded to Orbest Orizonia Airlines. New Article?, or should I use the Iberworld page. -- MKY661 ( talk) 19:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Iberworld has rebranded to Orbest Orizonia Airlines. New Article?, or should I use the Iberworld page. -- MKY661 ( talk) 19:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hong Kong is part of China. What region of Asia should it belong in? Snoozlepet ( talk) 16:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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I have been discussing this matter on many articles I've edited, even with some people involved in this dispute. First of all, it should be clear for everyone that we are talking about mainland China, or the People's Republic of China if we use its official name. Disputes regarding the different names for Taiwan (Republic of China, Chinese Taipei) are not to be solved at Wikipedia. The way I see the problem, all of us editing articles related to airlines should focus our attention in providing the information concerned with airlines and its operations. These articles are not a lecture on geography. It is also true that Hong Kong an Macau do not use Chinese ICAO codes, but that is likely due to the fact that those codes were implemented before Hong Kong and Macau were transferred to the Chinese administration. Back to the core of the discussion, the Southeast Asia article does not include mainland China within its borders. If articles are to be consistent with each other, East Asia should be used for mainland China, and that applies also to Macau and Hong Kong.11:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC)— Jetstreamer ( talk) 11:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC) |
We've got a frequently-changing IP user (who's M.O. fits that of someone occasionally referred to as "Holding Company Guy") again going in and making edits to overly-verbosely redefine companies that provide air transportation services under another company's certificate as something other than an airline. For example, this edit, which changed "an airline based in" to "aced business which brokers charter flights by contracting and leasing none scheduled airlines from it's offices in" (yes, there are a couple typos in there, later fixed). Looking at the first paragraph of airline, which I've reproduced below, I don't think it excludes the possibility of companies being called airlines that aren't operating under their own certificate:
“ | An airline provides air transport services for traveling passengers and/or freight. Airlines lease or own their aircraft with which to supply these services and may form partnerships or alliances with other airlines for mutual benefit. Generally, airline companies are recognized with an air operating certificate or license issued by a governmental aviation body. | ” |
I think in common usage, the term "airline" applies to any company providing air transportation services. It's certainly worthwhile to denote companies that operate under another airline's certificate as such, but not to the point of adding dozens of words and describing the service as something other than an "airline". -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 23:10, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Aren't they normally treated as two separate bailiwicks, and separate from the UK, on lists of airline destinations? What about Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, the Isle of Man, Gibraltar, the Faroes, and the Åland Islands? 119.236.250.27 ( talk) 17:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
A lot of help is needed to improve Fly Guam, a company which leases a plane (for now, more expected later) from Sky King, Inc. (a charter airline) to operate (with its own livery, cabin decoration, inflight magazine and catering services) continuous scheduled flights to Saipan and Hong Kong. It's a company with a real small airline as its parent that operates like an airline, and the charter airline operates something not exactly a charter service. Regardless, in this article, a lot of standardization, POV-tuning, wikifying needs to be done. HkCaGu ( talk) 08:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
EI do not have a freighter fleet how can they have this list? it should be deleted, freight carried on passenger planes does not warrant a list of cargo destinations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.15.184 ( talk) 19:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Since Indian Airlines has been merged into Air India, shouldn't the focus cities of Air India be the same as the former Indian Airlines? — Abhishek Talk to me 16:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Starting 1 July 2011, all Air Jamaica and Caribbean Airlines flights will begin operating under one code BW (which is the code for Caribbean Airlines; Air Jamaica's was JM) according to this article http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/air-jamaica-caribbean-airlines-further-integration-0630 and official press releases. Should we go ahead and list all the JM-operated flights as "Caribbean Airlines" or do we leave as "Caribbean Airlines operated by Air Jamaica"? I went to Air Jamaica's website and all JM flights are now marketed as Caribbean Airlines flights after July 1st. Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I have just been told that the aviation project guidelines stipulate the use of html markup rather than css for table centering - see User_talk:Sitush#Spicejet. I really have no interest at all in aviation and was merely fixing one article due to the appearance there of a well-known sock. However, Help:Table#Centering_tables is a guideline that suggests that css should be used, there is no doubt from my own web design experience that css is preferable for alignment of block elements and there is no logical reason why it cannot be used in this instance.
So why is it not? - Sitush ( talk) 10:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
If an airline simply changes it name, is its former title to be listed in defunct airlines article? what about airlines that are shut down and restarted under new ownership but retain the airlines name, codes etc. as they were before, does this mean they are to be removed from the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.47.193 ( talk) 09:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The Aviación Del Noroeste article has been PRODded, with a rationale of "Garbled content; no sources; impossible to improve the article or even interpret its content". The assertion of "no sources" is incorrect, as there is a reference given which appears to be a book or magazine source. A quick search on the 'net verifies that the airline existed. Although needing improvement, this is not a reason to delete the article. Therefore I've de-prodded the article. Mjroots2 ( talk) 09:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
An IP user with few edits has added a slew of {{ cn}} tags and an advert header to Delta Air Lines, per this diff. It seems like overkill to me, but I don't have the time or energy to eyeball each tag. Can anyone take a look there and see if these are all justified? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 03:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Some experienced eyes might be useful at Micro-airlines. The talk page has some comments and the edit history deserves a look. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is United Express flights from Continental hubs in CLE, IAH, EWR to non-hubs are operating from CO gates at airports and not UA gates? Cause CO and UA still operate from different concourses/terminals/gates at airports. If those flights are operating as "United Express", shouldn't they operate from UA gates as they are marketed as and not as CO Express? Snoozlepet ( talk) 07:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Taking place now even as I revert it, editor adding all former destinations and some new with misleading reference, please take note, Bandung and Kolkata are the only new routes. 116.71.20.211 ( talk) 12:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Vektra Aviation seems non-notable, and has no reliable sources. Can someone look into this, and PROD/AFD it if it's non-notable? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 08:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Mainly for table format layout articles that dont want to merge terminated and current destinations into one list, nor want a seprate table style list for former stations, what do you think Finnair destinations. 116.71.14.105 ( talk) 16:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Could someone who lives in Seattle, WA please take a picture of a Horizon Air aircraft in the new livery? We had an image before, but that was a non-free rendering that was only here until a plane is actually painted in the new livery. But that has happened now, and the image that we had is now up for speedy deletion. Now we need a new picture of the livery. So could someone please upload a picture they took? That would be great. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 23:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
{{ Airlines of the United States}} is getting modified by an IP user, once again creating multiple levels of breakdown with interesting distinctions and bad grammar ("classed as: Majors" should probably be "classified as: Majors") and including archaic terminology such as referring to regional airlines as feeders. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 21:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the standard template for list based destinations British Airways destinations has been changed to table. Dont need a re-action just wanted to note the sad demise of a plain and uncomplicated system for what is a complicated flag-fest of an idea with no hope of making much sense to the average reader. And if this is not a travel guide why do we have IATA and ICAO codes! MilborneOne ( talk) 19:49, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
This is a spin off line of thought from the destinations table format question above - which is "content" question. I am thinking of a quality issues. At its heart are the questions - "what is a list article?" and "what should a list article go through on its way to FL status?".
The name is now written as such and not as Air Pullmantur, please change article title. 116.71.27.237 ( talk) 21:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be double articles for this airline atleast as far as the first two lines of the first paragraph are concerned, one redirects from Finncomm, the other from Finnish Commuter Airlines, kindly verify. inspector ( talk) 08:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Can unilateral c/s be listed in both airlines articles, even though just one is code sharing on the other? 116.71.16.77 ( talk) 15:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Usual problem, complicated ownership details are being added. MilborneOne ( talk) 14:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Can we get some additional eyes on the template's talk page? Right now there is a discussion about removing Direct Air and go! Mokulele. Direct Air was already removed and now this IP editor wants to remove go! Mokulele as well, on the basis that neither are not airlines but "travel advertising marketing brands". If we want to have a consensus standard that the airlines included on the template are certified airlines in their own right, that's fine and I won't object to removing Direct Air and go! Mokulele (though Mokulele Airlines would need to be added). But I would like to see that we have consensus, not just one persistent IP editor pushing his agenda. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 20:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm working on a new article Southern Star Airlines and need some help. Where can I find the IATA and ICAO codes and the Callsign of the airline? I'd also like an experienced editor to check that I haven't made any mistakes with layout, templates, categories, etc. and that the article complies with the styles and standards of this project. Roger ( talk) 12:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Is this a new trend, refer Adria Airways? MilborneOne ( talk) 18:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I think the images at Adria_Airways#Fleet look nice, and it's great to know what the different plane types look like in the company's livery. Maybe I've missed something, but I cannot understand how such fleet tables with images could be considered "ugly". Please do not remove these useful images. Nanobear ( talk) 18:40, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I have managed to get permission from a heap of photographers for the use of their photos. One of the latest permissions is proving to be a treasure trove. The photos so-far uploaded are at commons:Category:Photos by Steve Fitzgerald, with information at commons:Template:SteveFitzgerald. So far I have uploaded a few gems such as the Singapore Airlines Concorde, Sudan Airways Comet, Air Malawi 747SP, etc.
But there is a heap more to go:
and on, and on, it goes. Would editors like to help with 1) getting these up onto Commons (not enwiki) and 2) getting them into articles where appropriate. Would appreciate a lot of help with all of these. Cheers -- Russavia Let's dialogue 23:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
If you refer to commons:User:Russavia#Aviation-related there is a big list of photographers whom have allowed us to upload their photos from a variety of sites. I calculate that there are some 60-70,000++ photos so far available for us to utilise on Commons. I am letting the Wikiproject know that you are free to upload the photos as described on this list. Photos cover a diverse range of aviation - civil, military, general, business - and cover the era from the 1960s right up to the present time. There are many rare photos available for use, such as the Tu-144 shown here. Please take advantage of these resources, upload them to Commons (not local WP), and get them into articles. Any images which may be from airliners.net and have the watermark, add them to Commons:Category:Images from airliners.net with watermarks and I will get the unwatermarked versions. If anyone has any questions, contact me on my Commons talk page at commons:User talk:Russavia. And just to let you know, I have thus far contacted around 300 photographers, and I have a lot more templates and the like to create on Commons where permission has already been given; some photographers I am explaining what releasing under a free licence means to them and am waiting to hear from; some photographers have yet to respond; and some have said they don't want to put their photos on Commons (luckily, these are in the vast minority). So there will be new photographers added every day. Cheers, Russavia Let's dialogue 19:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I have just moved a userspace draft (that I'd forgotten about) about this small Canadian airline (and Air Canada subcontractor) into the article space. It's currently lacking any references (although the fleet data can be found by searching Transport Canada [31]) and certain basic information (IATA/ICAO codes), but I'd rather not be having to defend it at a deletion discussion. Hopefully this project may be able to help.... Thanks, -- RFBailey ( talk) 04:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Biman recently added a 744 to the fleet, despite adding reference in form of photograph an editor is deliberately trying to star edit wars there, I also added another discussion there earlier as ref in summary not as citation, which gives further proof of the lease through various other sources in the topic, I know this is not a valid ref source but it should be sufficient to confiorm that edit is true and acceptable, there are many things added to various articles regularly without reference why is this editor acting like an a**, when its been provided be it in any form, kindly resolve this. 116.71.3.3 ( talk) 20:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
If anyone would like a sneak preview of some 2,000 photos that we will soon have access to, going back to 1960, take a look at http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Ralf%20Manteufel&distinct_entry=true and http://www.abpic.co.uk/search.php?q=Ralf%20Manteufel&u=photographer - I have had a good look thru photos that I could need for my own articles I am working on, and it seems that all 2,000 are absolutely gems.
Having a look through it has got me thinking. Gems like this jumped straight out at me ( http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Breguet-763-Provence/1230009/L/). Whilst it is suitable for the article on the aircraft (which doesn't have a photo such as this in it), the vast majority of the photos we have permission to upload are absolutely useless to us, because the vast majority of the articles I have looked at are full of recentism material and in a lot of cases, cruft. Take my eternal favourite, for example. Singapore_Airlines#In-flight_services is 3-4 times longer than the history of the airline. We have photos available of a Concorde in Singapore Airlines livery, yet in this article it is absolutely useless, because the article totally skips any resemblance of history and is instead a Wikitravel article (advertorial) detailing every facet of promotion of inflight services that doesn't belong in the article, but in the airline PR. I am not singling the SIA article out here, but am using it as an example of what is wrong with airline articles in general.
Having a look, we currently don't have any Featured Articles within the scope of this project. And looking at the Good Articles, the problem is just as bad. Some of the GA's are well deserved, but some are not, and are full of cruft. Take Cathay Pacific for example. Cathay_Pacific#Expansion_in_the_1960s.2C_1970s.2C_and_1980s - Thirty years of history is summed up in 6 lines. Cathay_Pacific#Loyalty_programmes - Airline PR on their loyalty program is god only knows how much longer. This is indicative of what is wrong with airline articles in general. Too much precedence is given to things one would expect to find in a travel guide, whilst the information that one would expect to find in an encyclopaedia is either omitted in its entirety, or is skipped over with just a few lines.
Instead of discussing trivial things such as whether photos belong in tables or not, this project really needs to deal with the endemic problems that exist on a lot of articles--things that will prevent almost all articles from ever reaching FA status. Thoughts welcome. -- Russavia Let's dialogue 13:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Airlines to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 21:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Propose the title be changed to EL AL in all caps from current El Al, as it is a number of airline articles are titled in the style that the name is applied on the aircraft i.e airblue, airBaltic, Jet2 so on. 116.71.7.54 ( talk) 06:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
People who dont bother to look up airline schedules even when they have been attached as reference in the article, and dont even have knowledge of industry develpoments, and then undo the edits made asking for sources and trying to act frikkin smart to hide their stupidity, kindly make some rule to deal with such people, this happened at PrivatAir look up history. 116.71.7.54 ( talk) 08:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC
Hey guys! Continental has now moved the headquarters to Chicago!
It still has employees in Houston, but now it's Chicago-based. WhisperToMe ( talk) 11:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Just realized that SkyWest Airlines destinations and SkyWest Airlines still lack information about destinations and other infobox information for Alaska Airlines. If you have the time, please help. It's been five months since they started. HkCaGu ( talk) 04:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Some editor there is adamant on using UN view of listing destinations in regions, Mexico is listed as UN defined Central America not North America as at WIKIPEDIA, similarly he's adamant on listing Angola as UN defined Middle Africa instead of Central Africa as at WIKIPEDIA, when you search middle africa it redirects to central africa that says it all, Mexico is listed in wikiproject continents??? as a North American country not Central American, can you people please practice some control here and have everything done as per the information at WIKIPEDIA and not as defined elsewhere, THANK YOU. 116.71.3.218 ( talk) 12:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
In regards to KLM, that was resolved not too long ago. The continents column was removed entirely because it is too confusing to many readers. Snoozlepet ( talk) 16:35, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
OpenSkies announced that this route will be ending October 28 but one user change it to seasonal as it will return next summer. However, 2 references were provided (for the IAD) and 1 reference was provided for (EC and ORY) stating that the service will be ending; nowhere in the sources state that the route will be converted to a seasonal route. Also, flights are not bookable for next summer. Is this route permanently ending or seasonal until it returns? Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
An RfC request regarding airline destination lists was placed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Lists#Classification of Hong Kong and Macau under airline destination lists. 119.237.156.46 ( talk) 13:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Since the consensus was to add the year for start dates at WP:AIRPORTS for airport articles. We should do the same for airline destinations. Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:43, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm a Third Opinion Wikipedian and I'm just here to let you know that your request for a Third Opinion has been removed because of the number of editors involved in this discussion. 3O is for disputes in which exactly two editors are involved and have reached a stalemate. If you feel that you still need dispute resolution you might want to consider the dispute resolution noticeboard, but let me note that this discussion seems pretty vigorous and does not seem to be in need of much help at this point. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 17:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
And let us not forget the MoS which still allows dates without a year. I did not comment on the other discussion electing to see what happened. The result is reverting of edits that follow the old style and the MoS which does not require a year as I read it. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Many editors think that just because an airline is an Alliance member it automatically code shares with all others carriers in that alliance, that is not the case always, so instead of listing it as "in addition to XYZ Alliance partners, ABC Airlines also have codeshare agreements with the following" it should just be "ABC Airlines codeshare with the following" and only list those airlines with whom they have the agreemnent from the alliance they belong to, in addition to the other carriers. 116.71.21.216 ( talk) 08:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
A user continues to add a section on critism to Firefly but is adding invalid/inappropriate sources (such as a personal blog and Facebook). If anyone can find a reliable source for this, please readd? Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
We got several IPs (presumably the same user) remnoving CDG as a hub again from the Delta Air Lines page again. We go through this every few months there. I know this has been a contentious issue within the project, but the last I remember, we decided to go withthe airlines' individual definitions, as there are no objective standards for determining what constitutes a hub. - BilCat ( talk) 06:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there any article covering the recent staff disputes that Qantas has been having, or is this not considered to be encyclopaedic? The current situation where the CEO has now grounded the entire fleet seems rather extraordinary:
“ | Flights in the air would land at their destinations as normal but no other Qantas flight would take off until further notice | ” |
ref: Simon Benson and Vanda Carson (29 October 2011 6:02 AM UTC )
"Shock as Qantas chief Alan Joyce grounds airline's domestic and international fleet".
The Daily Telegraph (Australia). Retrieved 29 October 2011
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Thank you for your comments. The Qantas article has been updated, and there is now a new article, 2011 Qantas trade union disputes covering the issue in more depth. Regards, 220.101.30 talk \edits (aka 220.101) 13:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, please do not change the Qantas article to past tense. The airline is not defunct, operations are just suspended until further notice. Snoozlepet ( talk) 00:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I consider it vandalism, one editor is going around removing these from tables lists to suit his fancy, as you know the table list is meant to have both past and present destinations, so what should be done? 116.71.30.241 ( talk) 19:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I have been doing a bit of maintenance, adding infoboxes, among other things, and have found that the majority of articles in WPAviation requiring infoboxes are airline articles. Can YOU help by adding infoboxes to articles listed at [32]. Petebutt ( talk) 16:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
These should be acceptable as semi-confirmed in this case http://www.hindustantimes.com/flydubai-to-connect-Ahmedabad-with-Dubai/Article1-700243.aspx yet its is being reverted by editor abhishek. inspector123
The airline has ended passenger service, should there be a seprate Martinair Cargo title for destinations list, while Martinair destinations can host all historic passenger destinations? 116.71.17.64 ( talk) 10:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Some editors in good faith are going arround poting tons of un-needed photos to the destinations lists pages of airlines, making the articles look unappealing to viewers and distortiong table layout with wrapping text see Turkish Airlines destinations which used to be a simple and clean looking article, kindly put a stop to this unecessary practice, it seems like whenever editors are bored they try to take a new challenge of dressing up wiki articles and that too without concensus. Though original table layout lists of airlines also started off as such, I think less is more and the photos should be removed from there as well, you clearly see the clean look difference in ones made later without photos. inspector ( talk) 16:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi can anyone please get Monarch's new logo (Indigo crwon with Monarch.co.uk on) and put it on wiki because the current logo (Monarch with indigo & yellow crown) they stopped using in 2009. Thanks -- MKY661 ( talk) 20:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been raised before but I'm not a regular here. Most major airlines list of destinations seem to include a single table purporting to be a list of destinations as of ... . eg. Qantas destinations. I suggest that terminated and future destinations be moved into separate tables within the article. I believe that this would make the articles much more useful to the reader. Moondyne ( talk) 14:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
What is the ruling on charter destinations operated by non-charter airlines especially flag carriers, can they be listed in their destination lists with reference, are they to be only listed in airport articles only or neither of the two? 119.155.53.160 ( talk) 13:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
This airticle is about a gropund handling company and not an airport, it should be changed to Alitalia Airport (Company). 119.155.37.228 ( talk) 12:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
A lot of people are saying that both carriers are to receive a single operating certificate on November 30, 2011. Can anyone provide a source for this? Snoozlepet ( talk) 15:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
When do we change the Continental Airlines page to past tense and what date should "cease operations" be? Should the date of cease of operations be the date when United received the single operating certificate on November 30, 2011 or the date when the reservation systems combine and the "CO" IATA code disappears? Need to solve a "mini" dispute regarding that page. Snoozlepet ( talk) 00:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Project members may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Czech Airlines destinations. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Our favorite IP editor is at it again, now with a newly redesigned {{ Republic Airways Holdings}} navigation box. Three of the links go to the same article (and who is "RAH Air Carriers", anyway?). -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 01:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Virgin Australia's parent company Virgin Blue Holdings has officially changed their name to Virgin Australia Holdings, [33]. I have requested a page move at Talk:Virgin_Blue_Holdings#Page_Move_request_to_Virgin_Australia_Holdings if you wish to participate. Sb617 ( Talk) 11:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Several editors have decided to start a Commons Aviation WikiProject which is going to be devoted to aviation-related content on Commons; Commons:Commons:WikiProject_Aviation. Some of the main tasks for the project include maintaining and sorting aviation content, as well as working on obtaining permission from photographers to upload their photos to Commons, in addition to working on introducing photographers to Commons to get them to upload photos directly to Commons. There is a discussion at Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation at which we are trying to ascertain what the needs of the community-at-large are, so please feel free to join in the discussion. Also, if there are any project members who are willing to do some translation work for us that would be great. See Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Translations for more info. Also, anyone with scripting knowledge would be welcome, as there are some ideas which would require such expertise. Look forward to hearing from project members over on Commons with any ideas, etc. Please feel free to translate this message as needed. Cheers, Y u no be Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 14:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
May I draw your attention regarding this section? Isn't it crystal balling? Why assuming all the airlines will continue serving Berlin once operations will be taken over by Brandenburg?-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 19:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Some editors are listing Turkey in Asia on destination lists of text format, do the Asian side cities list in Asia or Europe? what about Russia's Asian cities, if an airline only flies to those, where do they get listed. 116.71.16.2 ( talk) 14:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The places are too few to warrant a seprate page or even a table format, these can easily be merged with main airline article in text list style, normally such articles are redirected to the main one and destinations moved there, but some editors seem to have taken ownership of certain articles and this is one such where there will be edit wars unless some one with clout deals with it. I had just listed the destinsations in text format in main article just to show, and it looked great, but was reverted as requested, you can go see it in edit history. 116.71.9.145 ( talk) 01:38, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
When an airline announce that they will open a hub at an airport on a specific date, do we list the airport in the hubs list with the opening date or should we wait until the hub officially opens and then add it to the list? Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
We apparently have two different articles for one airline. Virgin Australia and Virgin Australia International Airlines seem to be the same airline with evidence from their website. The Virgin Australia fleet now contains the V Australia Boeing 777-300ER, which is why I don't see how there need to be two articles for the same airline. I hope someone can clarify this. → εϻαd ιν ΤαΙk Ͼδητrιβμτιoης 11:37, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there such a subsidiary with a fleet? its not listed anywhere on internet no references online either. signed inspector123
Some one has redirected Syrian air's fairly large destintions list to main article, kindly revert back to seprate destinations list page. inspector23
The featured article candidacy for Boeing 767 is open, and is in need of comments from fellow editors. This is a widely used aircraft among many airlines; hopefully members of WP:AIRLINE can provide some input. Thanks in advance! Best regards, SynergyStar ( talk) 02:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you sick and tired of wasting so much of your time arguing about the best destination list? Feel like you're getting nowhere? Want to work on expanding history sections but don't have time to go searching for a good reference? Well, don't worry about finding a good reference yourself because I have found one for you. Just go to fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/. You can search for a particular or browse thru a list of companies from A to Z. While it's just a general resource for companies in general, it has LOTS of comprehensive info about airlines too. It looks like it has info on defunct airlines too, such as Pan Am and TWA. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to have regional airlines that are subsidiaries of another airline. While it doesn't appear to have been updated in the past ten years, that shouldn't be a big deal because most articles already have plenty of info on events that took place in the last ten years. I used this website to help me expand Alaska Airlines' history section a while ago, and I will probably be using it again. I plan to use this to expand Korean Air and Kenmore Air in the near future, and I would love it if other users volunteered to work on other articles too. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 20:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I recently reverted the Alitalia destinations article to the list format from the newly instated table format, and was greeted (after ten days or so) with a flurry of angry editors saying I am being unconstructive and should use the sandbox (!). I had given quite a few reasons for this change however, and I believe the table format is quite a nuiscance to the readability of the article:
Now, I believe it was decided that having the table or list format is A CHOICE and in this case I see the list format as far more useful, so why have I been reverted on the basis of having violated a rule ("you can't go from the table to the list format")? Thanks for any help - Speed74 ( talk) 15:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Please see User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help make the National Archives ExtravaSCANza a success, in the hope that such events will continue in the future. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Another article that needs to be redirected to be merged into the main one due to too few destinations. 119.155.45.193 ( talk) 15:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Regardless of whether the list is merged into the main article or not, the current table is terrible. Describing eg. Seoul as an operational charter destination from Pyongyang is actively incorrect; just because there has been a showpiece flight or two for some delegation does not mean it's actually even remotely possible for people to fly Air Koryo to anywhere in South Korea. Also, the color scheme is vomitous and the flags blatantly unnecessary (see MOS:FLAGS). Jpatokal ( talk) 02:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I recently proposed moving Virgin America destinations back into the parent article Virgin America since I felt that the airline didn't even have enough destinations to warrant having a separate destinations list and I also felt that merging it back into the parent article wouldn't overwhelm it. I thought there would be unanimous agreement, but there wasn't. A couple other users pointed out to me that there had been consensus on the talk page a long time ago that ten destinations was considered "enough" for a separate destinations sub-article. Is this really so? If that is true, then why isn't it clearly stated on the project guidelines page? My idea was that if destinations weren't viewable without scrolling up and down the page, or if the list of destinations took up the majority of an airline page, then it deserves its own article. I don't like the fact that we have this rigid rule (it isn't really being followed or enforced, anyway), and I also feel that the guidelines at WP:SPLIT and WP:MERGE should take precedence over this project's own guidelines. — Compdude123 ( talk) 22:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Another Wikipedia policy that needs to be considered by this project is WP:COLOR. We use color coding in destination lists, so that's why I wanted to bring this up. (BTW I don't want to get rid of it altogether; I just want everyone here to be aware of the following). I noticed some things there that we aren't doing as a project, here they are:
I am not trying to propose getting rid of the colors altogether; I just want to make sure that everyone knows that colors should not be used as the only means of conveying important information. — Compdude123 ( talk) 21:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a source saying that Mesaba and Pinnacle's certificates were combined? The headquarters were relocated to Memphis, TN a couple of weeks ago but did the airline cease operations? Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
According to the Airline infobox template the fleet size field should only include the total active fleet of an airline. Recently an editor has changed a few articles to a collapsible list in the fleet size field showing 'active', 'orders' and 'commitments'. To me this goes against both the project guide and WP:IBX which states the purpose of an article infobox is ...The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance (my emphasis). Information can't be obtained 'at a glance' if it's hidden in a collapsible list. I don't see how this modified way complies at all with either objective. Do any other editors have an opinion on this? Thanks. SempreVolando ( talk) 04:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I have raised this in new section below as the title of this discussion doesn't really fit with the proposed change we are making. Give it a few days for editors to add any further comments before we go ahead with the change. SempreVolando ( talk) 07:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC) <------Read Below------> This discussion has been moved to "Collapsible lists in infobox - amendment to template / project guide". Please when posting in that discussion keep your posts short and to the point so we can get a consensus and the fighting can END!!!!!
Kam Air have sent in an OTRS request to have the article on them deleted. Mjroots ( talk) 13:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
It has seprate lists for domestic and international routes, why? when sort function is mean to sort that out in a single list. 116.71.10.128 ( talk) 22:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I have finished working on this article, now it's a lot better. — Compdude123 ( talk) 22:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
The Fleet size in infobox discussion above diverged a little from topic and grew into a debate over the general use of collapsible lists in the infobox of airline articles. I'm adding this section in case any other editors wish to comment on what was discussed or the proposed wording amendment to the infobox template, as it may not be obvious at first glance because of the discussion title used. The proposed wording for bases, hubs, secondary hubs and focus cities would change in the infobox template, to add: where a large number of bases / hubs / secondary hubs / focus cities results in an excessively long infobox which disrupts the formatting of the rest of the article, consideration should be given to using collapsible lists for this section, for example at Easyjet and Ryanair. Any further comments / discussion welcome. Thanks. SempreVolando ( talk) 07:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Please comment on the peer review; see below. Thanks!
I remember reading somewhere that for an accident involving an airliner to be included in articles there must be deaths and/or airframe total losses. I'm currently engaging with another editor on Airlink about the inclusion/exclusion of an incident that caused no injuries or severe airframe damage. The sticking point is a paragraph about an emergency landing with the nose gear stuck retracted. I'm against including it, the other editor wants it in. I earlier removed a paragraph about another "no injuries, no major damage" incident from the same article - that removal has not been challenged (so far). Some guidance would be appreciated. Roger ( talk) 15:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
What about incidents such as involving scheduled airliners landing at the wrong airfield? Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 06:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Just to let you know, this redirect has been nominated for deletion.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 03:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
An editor is undoing edits merging the destinations with main article, reason being for merger that destinations are too few and main airline article also has minimal content, makes sense to merge. 116.71.20.232 ( talk) 15:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
An edit war seems to have broken out at Air France. Being a good admin, I've fully protected the article at the WP:WRONGVERSION for three days. Input from members of this WP is sought at talk:Air France. I've not blocked the parties in this dispute because I want them to discuss the issue. Mjroots ( talk) 07:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
An interesting point arose from this edit: the United Kingdom is not a country but a realm comprised by for countries. Despite this, it has been given country status in most of the destination articles, as it was included under the column entitled "Country". Has this issue been previously discussed? The way I see the whole thing, all destination articles in which the UK is labelled as a country should be appropriately modified. Following are just three examples showing the misuse of the term for the UK: Air Canada destinations, American Airlines destinations and Lufthansa destinations. Comments please.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 23:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
In everyday language countries are states and states are countries. Arguing about sovereignty is semantic political BS. The UK is a country. England, Wales, et al, are constituent; whether or not they call themselves countries is irrelevant. SchmuckyTheCat ( talk)
According the the Wikipedia article on the United Kingdom it states "It is a country in its own right and consists of four countries" but the article also says the UK is a unitary state. One of the references puts the government's position. I didn't want to start a massive argument, so lets all accept that the UK and England, Scotland etc are all countries. In that case, can someone please say why it is wrong to put in a Wikipedia article that London is in England and Cardiff is in Wales etc? What is the actual problem with stating the truth? It would be more accurate, and certainly not incorrect or vandalism. 78.86.37.131 ( talk) 18:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
A little bit sidetrack from the discussion around UK. If England, Scotland et al aren't countries, what about dependencies such as Greenland, Puerto Rico, Aruba, Jersey, Guam, the Isle of Man, the Falklands, the Faroes and Gibraltar? Should they appear as countries or as provinces? The problem had appeared with KLM destinations and a large number of other destination lists. 116.49.130.45 ( talk) 17:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article for Denmark says that "The Kingdom of Denmark is a sovereign state consisting of the country of Denmark and two autonomous constituent countries, the Faroe Islands and Greenland. The article Scandinavian Airlines destinations lists Denmark and Greenland separately along with their flags. Why is this the case here, but cannot be done for the United Kingdom. 78.86.37.131 ( talk) 18:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I know that a couple of airlines: Continental (merged with UA), Spanair, Mexicana, Malev, etc. all have ceased operations therefore making those airlines defunct. However, does that necessarily mean the airline left their alliances. I know that a lot of people removed the airlines from the respective alliances. However, the official alliance webpage (Star Alliance, Oneworld, SkyTeam) still has those airlines listed as a member. Should we wait until the airline diappears from the list (I know that CO will diappear once its reservation system will be combine with UA shortly) or should we remove them from the alliance pages once the airline officially has ceased. Regards! Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
@RFBailey, I just checked the Star Alliance webpage and Continental is no longer listed as a member. Snoozlepet ( talk) 07:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I am interested in possibly changing Newark on airport pages. Newark Liberty serves the entire New York area and we all know it and it wouldn't hurt to add so for example on an airport page instead of it just saying Newark it would say New York-Newak. Comments are appreciated! Cali4529 ( talk) 22:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Given that NYC has YORK&Use=&Certification= ten listed airports, and that Newark isn't one of them, I'd want to see a much stronger argument than has been presented before supporting New York as part of the EWR article title. Is there some reason a passenger flying to NYC would prefer EWR over other airports? I can see why an airline would choose to do so, of course. If the carrier has limited flights to other regional airports they'd still prefer to get some of the NYC destined passengers' business. To make matters even fuzzier, there are other YORK&Use=&Certification= Newarks with airports in Newark, Ohio, Newark, New York, and Newark, Illinois. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
(unindent) Outside of the United States, Newark is not a particularly well-known city, especially when compared to New York (one of the most famous cities in the world). So in an international context, it is quite understandable for Newark to be described as "New York-Newark". In many international markets (especially those formerly served by Continental), Newark is the only of the airports listed by IATA under the "NYC" code to be served. It is not uncommon for airports to be located outside of the principal municipality which they serve (e.g. Pearson, Gatwick, Narita, etc.), or even in a different state-level jurisdiction (e.g. Cincinnati).
Of course, if a reader is looking at a destination list (say, for Birmingham Airport), happens across the name "Newark" and doesn't know where it is, if we were to link to destination airports in these lists, they could always click on it to find out. -- RFBailey ( talk) 20:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to redirect your attention from the previous discussions for just a moment. An editor (that is also an administrator) is adding unsourced information to the list of flag carriers table in the article. Can anyone help with this? The straight solution is to remove all unsourced material, but then I will probably be accused of vandalising the article. I already explained him/her that their actions go against the WP:SOURCE policy.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 20:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
A recent discussion over the contents of the article arose between Chrisieboy and me, this time regarding excessive information. In particular, the last column of the table seems to be completely irrelevant to the scope of the article for both of us, while my vision for the remaining ones is that they seem to be poorly referenced. In summary, I believe the article requires cleanup. Seeing that the page is also within the scope of the project, I'm asking for other opinions, just the way I requested third opinions for the inclusion or not of lists of aircraft in alliance liveries below. I kindly request your views to be posted here. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 18:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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Who on here has an account on Airliners.net?
IBERIA747 (Alfonso) is the author of this image: He said so on this airliners.net page: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4477362/
I thought it was authored by Xocolata, who uploaded it onto EN at File:Sede_de_Iberia_en_Madrid.jpg (I subsequently uploaded it into commons here: File:Sede_de_Iberia_en_Madrid.jpg, because I was unaware of the image's history), but the rest of Xocolata's images were found to be copyvios, and I found the original photobucket page, so it is likely that he didn't ask permission to upload the image.
Would someone mind asking IBERIA747 for permission to use the image (I assume he and Xocolata are not the same person)? His profile is here: http://www.airliners.net/profile/iberia747 - His e-mail has been withheld. I am not sure if Airliners.net members may contact each other internally.
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I have just logged onto A.net and have sent IBERIA747 an email. YSSYguy ( talk) 01:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Is Barbara Jane Harrison of interest to this WP? If so, the talk page needs tagging. Mjroots ( talk) 12:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to pester this editor too much, so I thought I'd post here. I am just wondering if this editor's removal of this is okay. It seems like useful information. Similar content has been removed from other articles on March 5, 2010 with the edit summary "route / haul not notable". I don't know much about airlines, but I keep an eye on Hainan Airlines article and noticed it. Please advise. Here is my post to the editor in question. (I'm watching this page.) Thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:54, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I don't know if this project was ever notified (I can't find a record of it if it was), but Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907 is up for featured article review at WP:Featured article review/Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907/archive1. The review has moved to the FARC section, where declarations are made for keeping the article as a FA or delisting it from that status. No declarations have been made since the FARC began almost a month ago, and so we need to get a few more eyes on this review. Any comments from interested editors, especially experts in this field, will be welcomed! Dana boomer ( talk) 23:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Two dead in Darwin air crash. WWGB ( talk) 11:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Please take a look at Safair. This company owns aircraft. It leases some of them to other companies. It operates some of them itself - mainly for cargo charter flights. One thing is does not do is operate flights on predetermined schedules and routes. As I understand the meaning of the word it does not fit the definition of an "airline". Somewhere on the main project page there should be a concise definition of "airline". Roger ( talk) 11:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
There has been some edit warring with two editors at Philippine Airlines destinations and Pakistan International Airlines destinations. The region which was named "Southwest Asia" has now been changed to "Western Asia". HELP!!! Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
If there is a Southwest Asia then where the heck is West Asia??? its dosent seem to exist on wikipedia which has Central Asia, North Asia, East Asia, South Asia and Southeast Asia, I think there should also be a Northeast Asia. 116.71.61.88 ( talk) 20:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone
Apperently there's no standard for citing timetables I'm aware of. The way I am doing it now on the TWA destinations page is: <TWA Timetable, Jun. 1, 1949, 4: flight 7>, for example. If there's a standard way to do this, let me know. Having checked many airline wiki pages, I don't see a single citation to a timetable print source.
Thanks
Chris Chris874664 ( talk) 21:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback. I guess there are any number of legitimate ways to do it.
Does anyone think wiki should establish its own particular protocol here? I don't think I've ever seen one put out by the MLA or any other traditional citation system.
Chris Chris874664 ( talk) 05:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Sp33dyphil I don't think a timetable should be added-Wikipedia is not a directory. Sp33dyphil 09:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
US Airways LGA focus city didn't close yet. I try to readd info box text:
I think focus city should listed until closure happenings. Other editor disagree and wanting to blocks me:
Can you deciding whether 'future former focus city' should be okay? Thanks. -- B767-500 ( talk) 16:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't see it specifically called out on the page content guidelines. Do we consider a list of aircraft names to be encyclopedic? An IP editor added them to Virgin America the other day and I just cleaned up the list a bit, but I'm not sure it belongs. Frontier Airlines gets a list (not of names, but of the animals on each tail) because of the individual tail art, but I notice we don't have a list of names on JetBlue Airways. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 20:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Sterling Airlines destinations has been listed for deletion. Arsenikk (talk) 11:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
V Australia destinations has recently been created, seems to me that an airline with so few destinations doesn't need a separate list for them. Opinions? YSSYguy ( talk) 00:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that some airlines (e.g. Air Pacific destinations, Transaero destinations, Hong Kong Airlines) have Hong Kong listed as if it were an independent country. I went ahead moved Hong Kong under PRC. Shouldn't Hong Kong be listed as a city under PRC since it is a "Special Administrative Region"? Snoozlepet ( talk) 05:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering how we should list PRC:
OR
Since some airline destination pages have both ways written, i was wondering if both ways are acceptable. Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 18:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Before the few of you get all excited over this, perhaps you are not aware that in the earlier stable versions of the destination lists, China was presented as "People's Republic of China" and still listed as thou it begins with "C". This is why the PRC appears first in most pages for East Asia. People don't get lost looking for "China", and there is no need to add additional bytes of wikicodes.-- Huaiwei ( talk) 14:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
How should Taiwan be listed as on airline destination lists? Should it be listed as "Taiwan (Republic of China)", "Republic of China (Taiwan)" or "China, Republic of (Taiwan)"? (I'd of course expect that this rule wouldn't apply to destination lists of defunct airline companies that were shut down before 1945 or 1949.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.237.150.205 ( talk) 18:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Jesus, again, please be aware that you guys are stepping on an hornet's nest. See [1] for the far more established consensus which was arrived after years of discussions by countless folks, and not concensus reached between three people in 7 days. If you wish to change that consensus, feel free to begin the discourse in the talkpage over there.-- Huaiwei ( talk) 14:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Lately I've obtained images of several airline headquarters (
Etihad,
Finnair,
Scandinavian Airlines,
Virgin Blue)
Here are a listing of several that are still needed:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The Finnair and Malev requests have been fulfilled. WhisperToMe ( talk) 14:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
We have important discussion on Delta's talk page which may impacts articles for any airlines which they using a hub and spoke model. So, I make posting here to ask for resolutions or inputs. Basic problem is DL claiming to have CDG as hub which offering nothing connections on own equipments. Maybe airline boasting for marketing purpose to have a second European hubs (this is my opinions). We have long discussion here. Thanks. -- B767-500 ( talk) 20:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Came across Air Fecteau, which is in terrible need of work if it is to be kept. It seems like a fairly notable airline to me, perhaps some of you chaps in North America could have a look and decide whether it should be kept and fixed, or deleted. YSSYguy ( talk) 02:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm out of time reverting the edits done by User:Floribert Piña and User:Brandon Steven Piña Sanchez, which seem to be one and the same editor. Most edits seem like deliberate errors with a small amount of "good" edits. Please help cleaning things up. HkCaGu ( talk) 05:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 06:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Air India recently made Delhi as its Primary Hub. This is very much true because Delhi has more Air India Flights than Mumbai. The reason for doing this was that Mumbai is over saturated and over-crowded compared to Delhi. Each and every new aircraft lands at Delhi during its delivery flight. Paris and Tokyo now originate from Delhi and not from Mumbai. No new destinations are being launched from Mumbai compared to Delhi which has seen Washington,D.C. and Toronto flights. This is enough proof that Delhi is Air India's new Primary hub. [2] ( Kshitij85 ( talk) 15:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC))
Hello all. I like to edit fleet tables to bring them up to expectations but recently there has been problems regarding table colours. I have a proposition that is already in place for just one airline alliance.
Your opinions? Zaps93 ( talk) 15:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
When should I begin writing an article about this airline? This proposed airline (planned to be based out of Carlsbad, CA) seems to be in the news a lot, but I'm not sure when I should begin writing the article... WhisperToMe ( talk) 10:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, can someone just pop into the article for Vietnam Airlines, have a read of it, and leave some feedbacks and comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Vietnam Airlines/archive1; any input, no matter how small, is greatly appreciated. I'm doing this to give it a bit of cleanup. Thanks Sp33dyphil 21:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
?? So, how I can peer review an article? I can tries to contributes with my poor English. Hope you doesn't mind my ESL backgrounds!? -- B767-500 ( talk) 06:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
A new peer review for Vietnam Airlines has been set up at Wikipedia:Peer review/Vietnam Airlines/archive2. Comments are urgently needed, no matter how small. Please add to the discussion. Thanks Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions) 10:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the Incidents and accidents section on Allegiant Air? Of the six items listed, only one is sourced and two had reported minor injuries, the rest had none. I don't think any of them meet our notability criteria, but I'd like a second opinion before removing the section. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 18:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The article reads: "Adria Airways d.d. is the flag carrier airline of Slovenia and its main base and hub is Ljubljana Jože Pučnik Airport." Any ideas what the d.d stands for? I couldn't dind it on Wikipedia. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 10:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC) edit: same with Croatia Airlines.
Hi
I just moved the page from Taurus to JEIC
I cannot find the airline code for it though. On the Airline code page it is listed as JEI but when I search the IATA/ICAO codes it does not seem to be correct
Can someone help please
thanks... Chaosdruid ( talk) 10:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I reverted the
Air India destinations article because
User:Inspector123 had changed the format as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Air_India_destinations&oldid=367700781
Should we keep it like this or stick to the old format? ( Kshitij85 ( talk) 10:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC))
If one looks at the history of Transaero one can see that photos from the fleet box are continually being removed claiming that consensus is that photos are not to go into fleet tables. Can someone please direct me to where this consensus is? If there is no consensus, then can I suggest that we gain consensus on the use of photos in fleet tables. -- Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that this Flight Global page http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%200594.html?search=%22Air%20Ceylon%22 shows many airlines as having "AL" acronyms for airline and "AW" for airways. I redirected Ariana Afghan AL to Ariana Afghan Airlines. Would anyone like to establish redirects for the acronyms seen on the page? WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It sounds like Air Exel and KLM exel are the same airline. Should they be merged? WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Just came across Silverfly (airline) which appears to be just a tour operator that uses aircraft of Berjaya Air. Does not appear to be a licensed airline but looking for any sources before suggesting deletion or otherwise, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
The artice on ASACO says it is a charter airline with one MD-11 operated for it by Mid East Jet. Cant find any evidence that it is an airline appears to be just an aircraft owned by the Ahd Al-Saudia Company an IT company. Any sources or suggestion welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I've been looking at this article and it seems to be a mostly disjoint collection of facts and historical events. I was wondering if anyone had information on reliable sources that I could use to expand and rewrite this article in an attempt to improve its overall quality/readability. Thanks, Vedant ( talk) 22:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
[5] Is this resolved? Should Taiwan be 'Taiwan (Republic of China)', 'Republic of China (Taiwan)', or simply 'Taiwan' or 'Republic of China'? 112.118.163.236 ( talk) 20:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Another editor recently made me aware of this, where a destination article has a completely different format and structure from what we have been using across the project. Granted this Braathens article managed to get featured, but it also is part of the aviation project. Any thoughts on the best was to address this? Thanks, Jasepl ( talk) 18:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Well the list as it has been reformatted now contains considerably more information than the previous version (as sanctioned by the Aviation project) did. It is heavily referenced, and contains information that may be of interest to people outside the aviation project, such as airport codes. As for flags, well if an article meets the Manual of Style, and in particular WP:MOSFLAG then that's just fine. I can't see why there's so much emphasis on "getting rid of flags" to be honest. The reversions of the most recent list are borderline vandalism, show a clear display of ownership and a total lack of respect for editors who are actively seeking to improve the content of the encyclopedia. As for whether it's a list or an article, a quick breeze over our current candidates for promotion, or those which have been recently promoted will show that lists now (for about the past year or so) have a thorough and comprehensive lead, not just "This is a list of x destinations." Standards improve, and hopefully the aviation project can move with the times too. The Rambling Man ( talk) 07:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I've done a draft of
Tiger Airways Australia destinations on my sub page,
User:Sb617/Tiger Airways Australia destinations, following the similar FA-style format from the above. I have removed Australian state/territory flags however and currently working on other references. Will be sorting out a layout before transferring it to mainspace.
Sb617 (
contribs)
07:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice work both of you :) Sb617: I think you are correct to not use subnational flags. To answer Aviator006's questions:
align=center | —
(that is a center-aligned
em dash) in the state/province column. We currently do not denote US cities by non-North American carriers with state suffixes; I believe the rationale is that most US cities are more known than most states. Among for instance Norwegians (people who almost all read English and are potential en.wikipedia users), very few have heard of places like Illinois or Massachusetts, but many know about Chicago and Boston. Because intercontinental airlines will only fly to major cities, it can be presumed that the cities are more well-known that the state they are in. This is of course not the case for smaller cities served by domestic carriers.
Arsenikk
(talk)
11:00, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
<sup>[hub]</sup>
, as this created the nice "box-and-text", but doesn't create a link to the notes section.
Arsenikk
(talk)
19:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)I just converted Virgin America (it doesn't have a separate destinations article) to use the table format, based on Tiger Airways destinations. A couple changes to the table format I made as I was working:
Also, I found the formatting for the colored backgrounds and tags for Hub, Focus city, and Future date to be rather non-intuitive. Perhaps we should make templates for these? -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 05:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I've updated the guidelines over at WP:Airlines documentation pages to incorporate the table format (as one of two options to list destinations) in guidelines after reading the comments again, there seems to be enough consensus where both formats can be supported. Sb617 ( Talk) 23:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I see the smarties who created the new format have vanished, how spineless can you get. The list is sortable there is no need to cut it into continents and regions, the whole purpose of the new format has been F*****, now its become into a decorative thing to please retards so they can play around and create their own styles, will the sleeping admin wake up and take charge. 119.155.43.207 ( talk) 19:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC) 119.155.43.207 ( talk) 19:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I've got many points I think is worth mentioning regarding articles and the way it is set up:
Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions)(Feed back needed @ Talk page) 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
We got some consistency problems and have important discussions:
My text stating something like this:
Basic problem is Delta is hiding mainline figure because they trying to boasting destination count.
Please give some inputs because affects all major carriers. -- B767-500 ( talk) 03:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
“ | I think we need a consensus as to how to list the total number of destinations ... | ” |
— GDilemma |
“ | Concur that cited references need to be used, and given preference in the absence of other reliable sources. Also, I'm concerned that other airline articles are being used as the standard for this article, ... | ” |
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Zaps93 has added a fleet section to the International Airlines Group with the edit summary that as it had been done on AMR Corporation then it should be OK for IAG. I removed the list and put in a summary just saying the total fleet of the subsidaries. Zaps has reverted the change using AMR as an example. I have put it back as before as the onus is on new info to gain consensus not the other way around. I see no encyclopedic need to list a detailed fleet list table in a holding company that itself does not have any aircraft it is just a legel entity to control the other companies. Looking for others to comment either to support Zaps inclusion of fleets in holding companies or otherwise. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
While doing some vandalism reversion yesterday, I reverted a deletion of an "Incidents and Accidents" section in the Great Barrier Airlines. It had been deleted and restored once before. For the second deletion the edit summary indicated that the deleted content was erroneous. The deleted content has several citations (all to the same newspaper) and seemed to be an OK rendering of the source material. I reverted and attempted to start a discussion about what the article should include [ [6]]. Today most of the same content was deleted by a similar I.P. Here's the diff [ [7]], so you can see what was cut. Is there any reason it is inappropriate to include this material in an article about an airline? I would appreciate any comments you would care to make. I'm trying discuss the issue at the article's talk page before reverting again. Thanks! Susfele ( talk) 02:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Following comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Aviation#Notability guidelines for aviation companies a discussion about notability of airlines and aviation companies has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines/Notability, comments welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
On the hubs and focus cities in the infobox, most hub airports already has the city the airport is served in the name. For airports that do not include the city in its name, should we put them in parenthesis beside the airport name or leave it alone (meaning do not put the cuty in parenthesis). This was not discussed before. Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 15:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Swedish charter operator has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Torair, comments welcome. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Should Airline Affinity Programs be placed under Services? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp33dyphil ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Steven Slater was the flight attendant that exited his flight (JetBlue Airways Flight 1052) via the emergency chute following an altercation with a passenger on 9 August 2010. His article has been nominated for deletion. Should it be deleted? Do we still need some other coverage of this incident? Your comments, pro or con (along with any precedents), would be helpful. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs) 15:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Do tables of top served cities add anything of encyclopedic value? Personally I think that all we need is the hubs and focus cities. See AirTran Airways for an example. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I posted this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Defunct Airlines but it wasn't clear to me how active that group is, so I am reposting here.
It all started with a new entry on the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Canada list, Articles for deletion/Air Brasd'or. I started digging into figuring out if it could be saved and noticed some patterns common to it and some other aviation articles such as Air Fecteau
I think the same person with weak English skills and an interest in the airline industry has been trying to create articles on defunct, small North American carriers using several accounts. I don't think this person understands our rules on things like verifiability, notability and, of course, sock-puppetry. At the same time, I think this person is well-intended and these little carriers are notable but hard to verify (because they went under before the advent of the Internet so media articles are not available on the Internet). I think with further work finding sources plus some coaching for the editor, some of these articles have potential, as does the editor. For more info, see:
Normally I look askance at things like sockpuppetry, but from reading the communications, I think this person has been genuinely befuddled by our processes. (For instance, deletions: do remove the tag to dispute a "PROD" but never, ever remove the tag to dispute an "AfD" or a "CSD". For a brand new editor getting multiple articles deleted using multiple processes, this protocol must seem pretty obscure, especially when your English is weak.)
Current AfDs underway:
If you can find references to allow saving these articles, please do so. In any event, please comment as to which one you think should be saved or deleted.
I recovered the following deleted articles and put them in their respective users' user space:
Feel free to edit and improve these.
Other articles needing help with notability (some were created by others):
I believe even the smallest carriers are inevitably notable if you dig hard enough for reliable sources, however it takes more than my opinion to make an article eligible for inclusion here. Is there aviation industry stuff you use that's out there that I'm overlooking (I rely primarily on Google web and News Archive searches)? Is there print material I'm likely to find at my library? -- A. B. ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Project. We're missing an article on Exploits Valley Air Services, who provide some services under contract to Air Canada in Newfoundland and Labrador. To my mind, this makes them at least vaguely notable and worthy of a short article, even if they only have one or two aircraft allocated to this work. It seems a couple of attempts at this a while ago have resulted in speedy deletion (see logs). I've started a stub in my user space ( User:RFBailey/Exploits Valley Air Services) but don't have much source material (e.g. where can I find ICAO and IATA codes, or callsigns?), so some help would be appreciated. Thanks, -- RFBailey ( talk) 02:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The move request for Japan Airlines Flight 472 (1977) could use some input. Vegaswikian ( talk) 00:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Is the airline considered defunct or is it technically still operating but operations are suspended until further notice? Snoozlepet ( talk) 06:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This person Kishtji is going around changing Indian city names to their old ones like Calicut, Cochin, Trivandrum, Banares, Calcutta, all these have new names on wikipedia in article titles/headers, tell him not to do this he keeps reverting edit when I change it. 116.71.9.191 ( talk) 10:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
There have been a lot of airline articles being deleted with little cause. Correct me if I am wrong the airlines project regards any airline that is or has functioned as notable and deserving of an article or at least part of an article for a re-direct. Petebutt ( talk) 15:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've just noticed that China Southern's fleet list had been tampered with. Someone added the orders to the total number. I guess I've managed to sort it out quite alright, but I'm not sure if now the order numbers are correct. Could someone with an insight verify the data? Thanks. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Request deletion of this page as it contains too little information to warrant it, destinations table merged in main article now. 116.71.6.56 ( talk) 09:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Some editors keep restoring an irrelevant sub-section labelled return to London, on Iraqi Airways destinations section in main article page, I dont understand their obsession to accord special status to the London resumption over other European or non-European routes, more so since its old news. An updated paragraph on London service is already posted in the airline article for 2010 developments, including relevant information on why the route was dropped, so there is no need for this outdated and invalid bit to be there or be accorded special status over others nor be restored after deletion. 119.155.42.22 ( talk) 23:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello, during the past few days I have been adding HQ info of airlines, but some people have been reverting my edits, saying that it didn't comply with the Template:Infobox airline. I'm trying to do my bit and add as much info as I could. My point is, should we be specific or general? Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions) 05:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to revive this matter but WhisperToMe has been adding excessive head office detail to airline articles. I have just reverted such an addition to Airlink. As he/she was party to this discussion I can no longer assume good faith when he/she goes against the consensus arrived at in this discussion. Roger ( talk) 16:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Did consensus change on the use of flags in destination sections or articles? A series of reversions over the past few days at Hawaiian Airlines destinations led me to check the project's style guide, and I saw that it now states that flags can be used (emphasis mine). Looking at the history, I see that User:Sp33dyphil made this change on July 22; previously it stated that flags are not to be used. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 15:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Flags are only acceptable in the new table format destination lists like here JALways destinations, not in the former style ones. Special:Contributions/119.155.42.22|119.155.42.22]] ( talk) 23:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Too few destinations to have a seprate page, kindly redirect to main Kam Air article. 116.71.23.1 ( talk) 14:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. 119.155.55.183 ( talk) 10:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Page 130 of the book The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down refers to the airline Xieng Khouang Air Transport, nicknamed "Air Opium" - It was an airline that the CIA gave to Vang Pao that flew opium shipments from Long Tieng to Vientiane. Does anyone know more about this airline? WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:56, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
When an airline officially announce plans for new destinations without confirmed dates just mentioning month and year of proposed routes, why are some editors against listing these in destinations? obviously dates will be announced eventually, and even if not, if the routes arent launched by the end of the given month, remove them then but not before. Also since these destinations are listed carrying a valid reference quoting official sources, be it from airline website or other media, whats the issue with not accepting it?
Then theres this stance agisnt listing domestic and internationl destinations seperately in airport articles, for example an airlines flies to 5 domestic and 10 international routes why cant we list them seprate using the airlines name twice, even if operating from same terminal so they dont appear jumpled and confusing. 116.71.11.5 ( talk) 14:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
FYI, I have nominated Metis TransPacific Airlines for deletion. The AFD is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metis TransPacific Airlines - MBK 004 06:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I found the existence of Southwest Airlines (future) interesting. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Request redirection to main airline article, due to limited information for a seprate page to exist on the subject. 116.71.20.115 ( talk) 00:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The airport serving the state of Goa is only recognised as serving the state not any city even though its located near a small one called Vasco da Gama, IATA and all airlines flying there only mention GOA being served in schedules etc, yet some Indian editors are insistiong on adding Vasco da Gama as a destination to the lists as being served, which is not the case, if so then cities near all airports like in tiny Island nations should also be allowed to be listed. Help resolve this. 116.71.20.115 ( talk) 00:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
There had been some progress in photography of airline headquarters. Here are some requests that are still outstanding:
Africa
Asia
North America
South America
WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:44, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
On the Japanese Wikipedia I found ja:ANAウイングス - ANA Wings. I suspect it's a new airline, and it needs an article on the English Wikipedia. At a later point I'll go look for English sources for " ANA Wings." WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, the Vietnam Airlines article has a cargo fleet table, though I believe there aren't any Vietnam Airlines cargo planes, rather passenger planes are also transporting freight pallets. Is there anyone with a deeper insight who can sort this out? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 09:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
There are a large amount of flights ending in April 2011 from the current Focus Airports of SJU and BOS. The schedule out of SJU/BOS primarily only has mainline AA to their hubs, and only very few point to point routes flying out of SJU/BOS (if any), which IMO pretty much leaves BOS/SJU as large "spoke" stations after that date, rather than a focus city. In addition, LGA only has 5 mainline (AA) destinations, whilst their regionals (MQ) do most of their flying. Is it safe to say that AA is ending their focus city ops by April of 2011?, or is it safer to wait for either a for a official release and/or reliable source that the focus cities are being closed. Sb617 ( Talk) 05:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Sigh. "Holding company guy" is back with his scare quotes and his current target seems to be distinguishing defunct branding for airlines within an airline (e.g. Song) from defunct branding applied to regional airlines (e.g. America West Express) on {{ Airlines of the United States}}. I originally objected as the distinction seemed a bit excessive, but as I think about it, I notice we don't list currently active brands (e.g. Delta Connection) in the template at all. There was some discussion about this back in early 2009 on the template's talk page and while there doesn't seem to have been much support for keeping these sections, they weren't removed (I don't recall if there was discussion here as well). -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 17:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Editor Ohconfucious is delinking some places and flags as per WP:Linking, see BMI destinations for reference, is it ok or not?. 116.71.8.165 ( talk) 04:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, currently I'm working on finding sources for airline articles which are currently lacking any reference. So far (only doing a quick search), I was not able to find some for the following articles, so maybe one of you might want to sort it out? Or, otherwise I'd guess the whole article should be deleted.
Additionally, the following airlines have unreferenced destination lists: ALMA de México, Adam Air, Air Algérie, Air Midwest, Air Méditerranée, Air Transat, Air Wisconsin.
Some more issues:
Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it, because I tried and couldn't find out any further info, which means that I strongly tend to delete all those airlines whose notability cannot be verified. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 22:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I have just removed a fleet list from Aden Airways as it includes a detailed list of all the aircraft operated and individual aircraft histories. I understand that such detailed list dont meet the guideline Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines) although it mentions dont include aircraft registrations it actually doesnt mention complete aircraft histories. The individual history of an aircraft is not really relevant to the airline article and if for example an aircraft has x owners then repeating a detailed history in x articles is clearly not of encylopedic value. In my opinion this sort of detail should be left the enthusiast websites who do a good job of providing aircraft history details. User:Mjroots who created the article has restored the content while it is being discussed. Any comments ? MilborneOne ( talk) 21:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
PIA disambiguation page lists Pakstan International Airlines seprately as main user of PIA acronym saying PIA stands for blah, blah, blah, national flag-carrier of Pakistan, and then states "PIA may also refer to:....." with other examples listed below it, why cant Pakistan International Airlines be listed in there alphabetically rather then being singled out as main user of PIA acronym, this dosent seem to be the case with other articles or airlines in disambiguation pages especially related to acronym use such as KLM, JAL, LOT, SAS and various other airline/non airline ones. 119.155.36.163 ( talk) 12:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
... which make it obvious that finally an inclusion standard for airlines is needed.
... and jet another two: Air Vardar and Arsh Air. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 00:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've just come across this article. It is completely unreferenced (I couldn't find any sources either), and may contain deliberately wrong information. The airline is listed nowhere as the operator of any Boeing or Airbus aircraft. Who can help to solve this issue? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Is it necessary for an airlines destinations to be listed in an airport article? it involves the hassle of having to go through schedules that keep changing to update, also some editors are againt adding destinations that do not have traffic rights, isnt the destinations section supposed to just let the person know which cities are connected to that airport with/ or without traffic rights. Also why cant tech stops be listed in airport articles if not elsewhere? 116.71.16.208 ( talk) 06:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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New name is Sri Guru Ram Das Jee International after 4th Sikhism Guru, Guru Ram Das, but someone else had edited it to Sri Ram International saying its after a Hinduism's God Ram, which is not the case as seen here http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cabinet-nod-for-renaming-Amritsar-airport-after-4th-Sikh-guru/articleshow/6873021.cms title of ATQ article still needs to get new name. inspector ( talk) 08:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Working on an article on airline scope clauses. Not having much success finding sources. Any help is appreciated. The article is in
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Why do terminated airports have to be listed for terminated destinations? Bangkok as a city is still served by JALways but the destination list includes the terminated Dong Mueang Airport, which turned domestic and all international carriers were moved to Suvarnabhumi, its not like JO had suspended BKK ops and then returned but this time to the new airport that the older one should be included in the list.
More than one airport for a terminated city should only be included:
1. if the airline served more than one or all airports for that city simultaneously, e.g LCY, LGW, LHR, LTN and/or STN.
2. if the city continues to be served but one or more of the various airports the carrier served simultaneously, have been dropped, e.g LGW and LTN continue but LHR, STN have been suspended.
3. if the carrier dropped the city and its original or main airport and then resumed service to the city but to a secondary airport, e.g London service suspended where main and only airport being served was LHR, and the then London is resumed but this time with LGW.
4. if carriers suspends city twice, once where it served the main airport and a second time where the secondary airport was served, e.g as in #3 LHR and LGW.
Not to be listed:
1. if airline transfers operations from one airport to another by choice, e.g ORY to CDG.
2. if airline is moved, e.g THR to IKA when the former one turned domestic.
3. if airport closed and replaced with new facility, e.g HKG Kai Tak to Chek Lap Kok. Bangkok falls in #2 and 3, so Don Mueang should not be included even when it shuts down.
What about the changed names?
And how to list terminated countries, airports and cities with changed names like Yugoslavia should it be included as Serbia, Bombay as Mumbai, Sri Guru Ram Dass Airport as Raja Sansi Airport or spellings, e.g Pusan as Busan, or codes like Baghdad SDA as BGW? 116.71.3.7 ( talk) 16:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 00:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I just created the abovementioned article. It is dubious whether the referenced are reliable and significant enough to pass WP:CORP, which is why I'm posting the matter here, hoping for some help and advice. Feel free to contribute and edit the article draft. This is also discussed here. As an alternative, the content could also be merged into Air Rum, which is owned by the same parent company as Petra Airlines. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
A user has redirected the Air Jamaica article to Caribbean Airlines-Air Jamaica Transition Limited, which hs created today. Unfortunately, his new "article" is quite sparse, and contains no history on the orignal airline! In addition, the title suggest the article is about a holding company, not an airline. It seem to me that as long as AJ is operating under that name, the information should all remain at Air Jamaica. If the airline ceases to operate, then it the article would cover a defunct airline. Any help in reconciling this issue would be appreciated. - BilCat ( talk) 01:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
OK, I've proposed a merger at Talk:Air Jamaica#Proposed merger. - BilCat ( talk) 04:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I noticed that the spelling of the airline's name was changed to airberlin all over the article, though the title (and the spelling everywhere else) remains Air Berlin. It is claimed that AB officially changed its name, which indeed seems to be true, because at least in press releases, the airberlin spelling is used since 8 September, replacing the former Air Berlin (source: [10]). On the other hand, the company address is still "Air Berlin PLC & Co. Luftverkehrs KG" What are your thoughts on this matter? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 11:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, just noticed that Aerovías Nacionales de Puerto Rico and Puertorriqueña de Aviación have exactly the same page content. Who can sort it out? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 21:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, is the company name VIM Airlines or VIM Avia? The article makes no clear statement regarding this question. Further, I need someone who can update the destination list. There is a online timetable, but it's only in Russian. Thanks in advance. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 18:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, someone needs to have a look at the aircraft fleet of Tiger Airways. The article states that is consists of 21 aircraft (though as of January), but the sources I can find are saying 18 [11], 12 [12] or 13 [13]. Who is right? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:48, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Too few places to warrant a seprate page, more so since they are further reducing their network. So please redirect to main airline article 119.155.33.80 ( talk) 22:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I noticed that the destination list in the abovementioned article does not state any references or sources. All I could find was [14], stating that the airline only operates the following network:
Who has a deeper insight and can sort this out? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 12:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The freight division of Saudi Arabian Airlines was privatised and renamed Saudi Airlines Cargo from Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo, a while ago, (like China Eastern Airlines Cargo became China Cargo Airlines after going private) so should it get its own brief seprate article now rather than be included in the main Saudi Arabian Airlines one, same as China Cargo Airlines has its own, as for the argument they should have seprate IATA and ICAO codes, its invalid as China Cargo has same codes as China Eastern, besides Emirates SkyCargo, Singapore Airlines Cargo, LAN Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo, Shanghai Airlines Cargo, Air China Cargo, MASkargo, Aeroflot Cargo be they privatised or not, have seprate articles, the only one merged/redirected back into main airline was El Al Cargo article. 116.71.16.224 ( talk) 22:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've just rewritten the Eurowings article. There are two issues I could need some help with:
Many thanks for your help! Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 22:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Whats the concensus on this? can for e.g, Czech Republic be listed as Czechoslovakia if the airline flew to it in pre-seperation times, in this case an article on the former country exists or should id be listed as (Czech Republic|Czechoslovakia) or (Czechoslovakia|Czech Republic) where clicking will lead to either one of the latter named articles.
What about city names that have changed where only the article title has been renamed at wikipedia e.g, Bombay to Mumbai, should the city be listed as Bombay as the airline served it under that name or should it be (Mumbai|Bombay) a direct-redirect :)), then theres the spelling thing Pusan became Busan, so if an airline dropped Pusan should it be listed as Pusan or (Busan|Pusan), in this case the airport name got respelled too from Kimpo to Gimpo. 119.155.44.186 ( talk) 01:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Just stepped over this article. I couldn't verify that this airline exists or existed (website ain't there, no aircraft listed nowhere). Someone here with a deeper insight? Otherwise, the article should be deleted. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 22:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, in the wake of today's accident at Domodedovo Airport, I found two sources suggesting that Dagestan Airlines has been renamed in January 2010 and is now called South East Airlines. Nothing's mentioned on the official website, though. Anyone here with a deeper insight? [16] [17] [18] Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 14:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, I need help to figure out if this company is an airline at all (and if its notable per WP:CORP). The website [19] looks like a flight booking portal. Who has a deeper insight? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 12:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Quite a lot of flag icons have been creeping into airline articles lately, most often in the codeshare section but occasionally in random places like destination or lounge lists. In addition to the obvious difficulties with non-countries like Hong Kong and multinationals like SAS, these are pretty unequivocally WP:FLAGCRUFT and should, IMHO, be nuked on sight. Jpatokal ( talk) 12:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I've added this conclusion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines), with a link to this discussion. Mlm42 ( talk) 00:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
It looks like Sp33dyphil has started removing the flags but is being reverted. To prevent being reverted, try adding a link to this discussion in the edit summary, or to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airlines/page_content, which also links here. Mlm42 ( talk) 18:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that airlines that have hubs outside of their home country should have such INTERNATIONAL hubs listed at the very bottom, after alpha order of domestic hubs. I suggest this because it is very distracting to have a hub such as AMS/NRT/CDG/GUM listed alongside their domestic counterparts in alpha order. Clearly, international hubs are a gimmick and should be demoted on the list. I would appreciate input. -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 05:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
We dont normally add fleet lists to airline articles but the one at Frontier Airlines has one. Apart from being a bit of a mess is has now spawned Frontier Airlines fleet, is having different tail art make the fleet notable enough for this unusual treatment or could it just be reduced to some examples in the main article? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I am thinking about forming a group dedicated to improving a number of airline/aircraft/aviation-related articles, with the aim of giving these articles FA status during the next 5 weeks (from late-December to late-January/early-February. Members are needed who have an interest and/or some level of expertise on the aviation industry. The work is intensive, with activities such as finding information on the subject, proof reading, formatting templates/tables, as well as uploading relevant media (though this is not as important as the ones mentioned above).
Anybody interested please leave their signatures below, or drop me a message at my talk page. Sp33dyphil ( Talk) ( Contributions)(Feed back needed @ Talk page) 00:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Notice that some airline article fleet lists have been changed to list the number of seats in each class (for example Emirates (airline)) and an editor wanted to add the info recently to British Airways. In my opinion the number of seats in each class is just not needed and provides no encyclopedic value as we are not a travel guide (or a fan boy airliner site). I can see a reasonable argument for listing the total seats to give an idea of the size of the aircraft but not for each class. The airline websites provide this information (as they are a travel guide) and we already link to the airline website. Anybody have any views on this, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I've just up a discussion to merge Air Luxor into Hi Fly, as the latter may be only a rebranding of the preceding. But I'm not sure, the information given in the articles in not clear. Who has a deeper insight and can help? Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 15:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Could someone look at my undo of an anon edit here? This appears to be a return of the confusing terminology that one anon editor kept insisting on adding to articles in the past. This occurrence was in an inline template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vegaswikian ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Crystal Thai Airlines are launching operatins this year with services from Bangkok and Phuket to regional destinations according to their website route map perhaps a stub can be started on them. 119.155.33.113 ( talk) 18:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, i want to Add some more information about AlbaStar, Virgin Sun & Mint Airways, but i can't find anything else except what i have found. Please give me a hand if possible. -- MKY661 ( talk) 17:59, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Also can we find anything else on Andalus Lineas Aereas, Transavia Denmark and Jettime?
-- MKY661 ( talk) 00:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Too few to have a seprate page, please redirect to main airline article. 116.71.24.201 ( talk) 20:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
May I bring your attention to Continental Micronesia and Talk:Continental Micronesia. This is a delicate part of the UA-CO merger in that the Guam company's corporate status isn't locked stop with the operating certificate. HkCaGu ( talk) 18:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. Can anyone help me get ANY more information on AlbaStar, because no one has done any major edits except for me!
-- MKY661 ( talk) 00:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, I need someone with a deeper insight into the Pakistani airline market to solve the following issue: The above articles all seem to cover one charter operator, who seems to be linked to Airblue. It does not operate any aircraft, and I cannot find this "Siddiqui Air" listed in any fleet directories, so maybe it should just be merged and redirected? Thanbks for your help. Per aspera ad Astra ( talk) 11:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello again (I have a lot of problems don't I but we want these articles to be great). Any sign of the old Defunt Turkish charter airline Air Alfa anywhere. It doesn't seem to be on wikipedia. I have an Airliner World magazine that has got a bit of information on Air Alfa. -- MKY661 ( talk) 01:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
A tag for the merger of NACIL destinations into Air India destinations by User:AroundTheGlobe. I have started a section for discussion on the same over here. Looking forward to an active discussion on the same. Thanks, Why so serious? Talk to me 11:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
An IP user keeps dumping raw text accident data and other non relevant stuff into Key Lime Air appreciate some other editors looking in. MilborneOne ( talk) 00:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Anyone have any of the following
-- MKY661 ( talk) 00:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
so can we finally start using the same language as we use for most other regional carriers, in the info boxes? ie: "Alaska Airlines operated by Horizon Air," instead of just mentioning horizon as we do now. I cross posted this as AS talk but I think I might get a faster response here. 66.220.101.106 ( talk) 03:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello first of all, Monarch rule but I have ideas to improve the page.
(I am not trying to make Monarch a bad airline)
Please help me expand these problems, and lets work together to make these articles great!
-- MKY661 ( talk) 21:38, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
We already have images of each aircraft type they dont have to all be in the latest livery, not sure the article needs any more images. Not sure of the exact nature of the accidents but I suspect they were not notable if they have been removed before. Adding to the history is a good thing but they are other airline articles that need a lot more work than Monarch and I suspect if it gets any bigger it may have need to be spun out to a history of article. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
re: Incidents and accidents - Building on MilborneOne's comment above, the WP:Airlines "page_content" sub page gives guidelines for including incidents and accidents. Unless there was loss of life, loss of an airframe or the "event resulted in changes to procedures, regulations or processes affecting airports, airlines or the aircraft industry" they shouldn't be listed. Your frustration about what's listed in other articles is understandable, but work out that frustration by improving the other articles so their accident/incident sections are up to par. re: Photos - If the livery has changed and the new livery is not currently pictured, then it would probably be appropriate for -one- photo of a representative aircraft to appear in the article (one of each airframe/type gets into the gray area of what WP is not). Ch Th Jo ( talk) 21:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
We normally only mention aircraft registration if the aircraft is notable, more normally accidents and sometimes special paint schemes. Is this an example Air India fleet of what we should not be doing - or is the consensus to turn the encyclopedia to an aviation enthusiast website? MilborneOne ( talk) 16:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it necessary to mention the name of an aircraft and its registration which is done here? And what about this case? Why so serious? Talk to me 10:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we remove the useless [show]/[hide] {Collapsible list} for airlines. It is user unfriendly and takes an EXTRA CLICK. Thanks! -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 07:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi All, I'd appreciate your help in reverting the non-standard infobox [show]/[hide] rubbish in airline infoboxes. American Airlines and Continental Airlines need work. United Airlines and US Airways have been fixed or were not messed with by the rogue editor that inserted the unneeded junk. There are probably quite a handful of airlines that were messed up. -- Inetpuppy ( talk) 06:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Reading the above, I see only Inetpuppy and Hawaiian717 clearly stating a preference. Input from many more editors is needed. As a courtesy to all involved, you should hold off making changes until there have been a significant number of opinions expressed. Two is not enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch Th Jo ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
WP:IBX "the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts about the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose" and "wherever possible, present information in short form"
Please comment on how a list of hubs that is 20 lines long as in Delta Air Lines or the ridiculous example of a 46 item infobox list in Ryanair or the 20 item infobox list at EasyJet fits with the clear intent of the infobox style guide: to present a quick summary of information in short form.
In contrast to Inetpuppy's initial comment, I find an infobox with a ridiciulously long list of hubs to be unfriendly. You are forcing readers to scroll to see what is supposed to be a quick summary. Forcing readers to scroll is much, much more "unfriendly" than a simple mouse click to reveal a long list of airports. Collapsing the list allows the reader to get a quick glance at the entire Infobox - which is the whole intent of an infobox in the first place.
Perhaps a solution is to create a second infobox for -airline hubs- that can be placed under the main infobox. That would allow a reader to see all the other key facts at a glance without an abusively long list of airports cluttering up the infobox while satisfying the needs of those editors who want the hubs to appear in all their glory, uncollapsed, regardless of how ludicrously long the list is as in Ryanair? Ch Th Jo ( talk) 18:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Aircraft seat map has been nominated for deletion; while BVC Airlines is at AfD as well. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone think these lists look too complicated and need updating? 119.155.43.183 ( talk) 20:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Just a note - as I dont have time tonight but Northeast Bolivian Airways is suffering from being mainly a text dump in Spanish. If nobody else has time I will come back to it later, cant read Spanish but it may have been copied from somewhere. Thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 23:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
AFIK, LCC's typically have bases and not hubs. Then why do articles such as these: SpiceJet, IndiGo, Air India Express, GoAir, Air India Regional, JetLite have some airports mentioned as hubs? Is there anyway in which they can be changed to bases? And what about Jet Konnect and Kingfisher Red. Is it worth mentioning hubs/bases for them as these two are not separate airlines but merely low cost brands of Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines respectively? Thanks, Why so serious? Talk to me 08:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Should these articles be merged?
All three seem to be the same company WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
so its official that Alaska Airlines is absorbing their regional subsidiary Horizon Air and rebranding them as part of AS. Because of the prior branding relationship QX is listed completely separately from AS, in every airport destination box it or they appear in. We just use the term "Horizon Air" whereas we need to switch to "operated by" terminology now- so I was wondering if there is a bot available for a task like this?
and on a second note for editors who keep up on this kind of stuff, while the press release doesn't specify the operating names of this new setup, the new airplane graphics say Alaska Horizon as their main labeling. The question being, does this mean AS is branding their regional service "Alaska Horizon" or is it just a graphical misinterpretation? Considering we keep the regionals subset from their mainline parents, in all the dest. boxes, this is kind of serious issue. Before we redo all the QX related pages we need to know what the correct terminology will be
"Alaska Airlines operated by Horizon Air"
"Alaska Horizon operated by Horizon Air"
"Alaska Airlines operated by Alaska Horizon"
66.220.113.98 ( talk) 22:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Im trying to add niki's slogan onto the page but it wont let me. It is in the box on the edit page but not on the article itself. -- MKY661 ( talk) 22:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone has configured the page in such manner that edits made cannot be saved, please check, I tried to changed routes to destinations but it didnt appear despite the change being saved. 221.120.249.18 ( talk) 19:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree about putting the destinations on the actual page, but i think we should keep the seperate pages just in case loads more destinations start (I was also the creator of these pages) -- MKY661 ( talk) 23:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi again! There have been some more airline headquarters photos posted recently ( China Airlines and Iberia LAE are two major ones) - Here is a listing of some airline articles that still need headquarters photos:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The airlines IC code will stop being used from 29 January see all flights will be operated as Air India (AI coded), make whatever changes are needed to article, will destinations now be merged or also added to AI page? 119.155.33.94 ( talk) 17:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
User Schalkcity is listing the Caribbean Island nation as under Netherlands at KLM destinations, is this acceptable? Bonaire still retains its own flag while Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean is now part of France adopted the French flag, but its not listed as under France for destinations. 119.155.34.150 ( talk) 02:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Some one has started adding a "By Continent" section to table format destination lists of Gulf carriers Emirates, Qatar, Saudia, Etihad when I undid them two editors warned me of vandalism, is this new section addition authorised by concensus? if so I must say wikipedia is really getting screwed day by day. 119.155.43.57 ( talk) 18:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The airline serves too few places to warrant a seprate page, kindly redirect to main airline article, thank you. 119.155.45.212 ( talk) 10:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. 119.155.38.216 ( talk) 07:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyone fancing having a go at British Eagle. As it stands the article is need of having its referencing trimmed (the worst instance is a six line paragraph with 15 citations). I'm floundering around at the moment and could use a hand. My initial thought is to remove everything referenced to http://www.britisheagle.net since the website, though comprehensive, doesn't actually cite its own sources. But I'm sure that's not the right approach. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 21:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Apart from not having any references, the section lists routes instead of countries/cities dropped from network, is it acceptable? 119.155.38.216 ( talk) 07:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi
Need some help. Is it Iberworld or Iberworld Airlines? half the stuff i look at says Iberworld, and half the other stuff says Iberworld Airlines. Same with Jettime, half the stuff i look at says Jettime, and half the other stuff says Jet Time. -- MKY661 ( talk) 21:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
AfD going on here that could use a wider input of opinion as the course to take is not abundantly clear. Ravendrop 20:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone please help me expand about Transavia Denmark befor they cease? thanks -- MKY661 ( talk) 00:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Kindly change title to Air India Limited destinations as the company is now Air India Limited, thanks. inspector ( talk) 17:40, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg, sits in France in town of Mulhouse, but most airlines flying there are actually serving Basel in Switzerland across the border, Freiburg in Germany rarely features in any airline list, but some people are choosing to add Mulhouse and Freiburg to an airlines destination list even if the airline may only be flying to Basel, also they are choosing to list Basel under France just because the airport is there, while the concerned airlines schedule only shows Basel being served with the code BSL and not Mulhouse with the code MLH nor Freiburg with its code. How to resolve this, is there a concensus on the issue? 116.71.17.157 ( talk) 15:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Requesting redirect into main airline article, too few destinations being the reason. 119.155.61.11 ( talk) 20:09, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Alliance names are being repeated with each airline in these listings and that too in linked form, it dosent make sense, and causes clutter and distortion, what to do? perhaps using symbols for each alliance like some articles are doing would be better. 119.155.36.234 ( talk) 16:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Destinations lists of many Asian carriers are showing HKG listed under mainland China. 116.71.2.247 ( talk) 12:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I notice that MEL, BKK, SYD, and SIN are listed as focus cities for EK. However, by looking at the destinations the airline served from the airport(s), they are mostly point-to-point routes or just routes operating under the same plane and flight number. I have tag the section as "Citation Needed" if anyone can find proof that Emirates do have focus city operations at those airports. Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 23:16, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Page is looking all messed up with inclusion of three sets of tables, atleast ANZ link destinations should not be listed here and should be in those carriers own articles.Terminated destinations can be merged into destination table as done with Braathens destinations. 116.71.8.148 ( talk) 14:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Some IPs are continuing to add Milan as a future destination for ET. However, no press release for flights to Milan have been made and it is not listed as a desitnation on their website. Can anyone find a source that Ethiopian Airlines is indeed launching flights to MXP on June 15 and update it to the respective articles? Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
The carriers name is Royal Jordanian Airlines, why is the article title abbreviated? yes they market the name on aircraft in abbreviated form, so do PIA who use just Pakistan International, but their wiki article has full Pakistan international Airlines header. 116.71.21.218 ( talk) 20:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
The table has been merged into main airline article, kindly redirect to same. Also there seems to have been some vandalism in main article, fleet section was removed too, which has been restored. 116.71.8.226 ( talk) 04:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Any idea why they are doing this? I added new destinations there as well as a terminated routes section even telling them in edit summary that its all updated and sourced to EK website and english wiki atricle, but still they're not accepting it. 116.71.0.146 ( talk) 22:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
Pan Am was half owner of Pan American Grace Airways (Panagra), and in Pan Am timetables Panagra flights were listed separately from Pan Am ones. Some destinations that were only served by Panagra have been entered in the Pan Am Destinations page. My sense is they should be excluded. Anyone? (see wiki entree for Panagra).
Thanks
Chris874664 (
talk)
23:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
This subsidiary's fleet and destinations are fully merged with Kingfisher Airlines article fleet and destinations sections, yet it maintains a seprate article of it own, should it me merged into main Kingfisher Airline article as a subsection? 116.71.26.25 ( talk) 01:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Adding photos in table layout page is crunching the table with some places wrapping and not good to look at, prime example Ethiopian Airlines destinations, I say there should be a no photo policy in the table region, however photos may be added to sections above the table as in Dragonair destinations. If the table is there it look good not just merely serve its purpose as a table, or font should be reduced in size so there is no wrapping around, is that possible? 116.71.19.141 ( talk) 03:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone is reverting edits made to the article infobox to change IATA and ICAO codes for the carrier, its not using previous codes anymore after being merged into AI, it just operates using Alliance Air AOC thats all. Also should the subsidiariy's destinations and fleet be merged into Air India like KingFisher and KF Red and Air Asia Group articles? 116.71.19.141 ( talk) 03:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone has changed the format for listing countries/cities for part of the Pan Am destinations page, and also the TWA destinations page. Is this part of an ongoing change for all airline destination lists, or should it be changed back?
Chris874664 ( talk) 17:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
OK, 119.155, thank you. I will leave as is, and add new destinations w new format. Chris874664 ( talk) 07:26, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Are these accidents noteable. Safety reccomations were made or one of them. This is the sources http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/896.pdf http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Airbus%20A321-231,%20G-OZBN%2012-07.pdf
-- MKY661 ( talk) 22:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Which of the two are they? article says they are RAMX topic title is somerhing else. 119.155.47.98 ( talk) 23:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Please redirect to main airline article. 119.155.47.98 ( talk) 01:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
For information the Frontier Airlines fleet article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontier Airlines fleet. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Some country flags are not showing up in various airline table laoyout destination lists. inspector ( talk) 12:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. can we put Viking hellas destinations as a seperate page. it used to be but it was then redirected as there were not many flights, but now there is loads more than there used to be and it does waste the space on the article. -- MKY661 ( talk) 22:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone is adding airlines and routes that do not operate from DAC, keep a look out, I have cleaned it up for now. 116.71.12.37 ( talk) 11:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
This airline will end passenger operations from November, cargo service will continue, will a seprate article need to be created for cargo division or will the destinations page title be changed? 116.71.5.179 ( talk) 12:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Boeing have released on their photostream on Flickr a range of 400+ images under CC-BY licence. This stream was part of promotions for the Expo 2010 held in China last year. A web cache of their website confirms that these licences are legitimate. There are lots of photos of Boeing aircraft in China, but also a lot of historical photos as well. Any editors who are able to help upload these photos to Commons are welcome to do so. -- Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 05:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
They have all but ended freighter operations and most of the fleet is up for sale, this article should be merged with Air India as a sub-section eventually. 116.71.21.50 ( talk) 15:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. should I create a new article for Fly Hellas or use the Viking Hellas page to create it? -- MKY661 ( talk) 19:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Linking to a specific city in the destination lists has always seemed inappropriate since airports don't serve one city, but entire areas. While editing one article today, I noticed an unique solution to the problem. The link with the city name was actually to the airport. I'm wondering if this should become the standard? Clearly JFK while in NYC serves at least three states so when we say an airline has service to NYC it is entirely appropriate to link that to the airport. So instead of having a destination of New York City, we would have New York City. Comments? Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Any idea why the two carriers articles redirect to main airline one? I recall Cathay was at par with Singapore Airlines Cargo article, so why was it done away with? 116.71.18.152 ( talk) 13:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This airline was shut down in March, but someone is re-adding it to airport articles with "operated by El Al", does it still exist as company but with no fleet of its own? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.41.239 ( talk) 10:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this format wiki approved? especially check out destinations section, concise, well presented, though missing lots of cities, whole thing looks good in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.53.2 ( talk) 22:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Both have seprate articles and destination lists, plus IaTa and ICaO codes, yet cityhopper routes are now listed with KLM ones in KLM article, all other airlines subsidraies destinations are only listed in the subsidiary's own articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.59.74 ( talk) 20:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I dont know why photos on this page are being allowed in table layout listings, as the entire table gets screwed with wrapping around of text see List of Dragonair destinations, kindly disallow practice of photos in table layout destinations pages, its even odd that original articles on Scandinavian carriers featuring the same, got approved and star ranked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.47.11 ( talk) 15:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Iberworld has rebranded to Orbest Orizonia Airlines. New Article?, or should I use the Iberworld page. -- MKY661 ( talk) 19:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Iberworld has rebranded to Orbest Orizonia Airlines. New Article?, or should I use the Iberworld page. -- MKY661 ( talk) 19:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hong Kong is part of China. What region of Asia should it belong in? Snoozlepet ( talk) 16:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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I have been discussing this matter on many articles I've edited, even with some people involved in this dispute. First of all, it should be clear for everyone that we are talking about mainland China, or the People's Republic of China if we use its official name. Disputes regarding the different names for Taiwan (Republic of China, Chinese Taipei) are not to be solved at Wikipedia. The way I see the problem, all of us editing articles related to airlines should focus our attention in providing the information concerned with airlines and its operations. These articles are not a lecture on geography. It is also true that Hong Kong an Macau do not use Chinese ICAO codes, but that is likely due to the fact that those codes were implemented before Hong Kong and Macau were transferred to the Chinese administration. Back to the core of the discussion, the Southeast Asia article does not include mainland China within its borders. If articles are to be consistent with each other, East Asia should be used for mainland China, and that applies also to Macau and Hong Kong.11:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC)— Jetstreamer ( talk) 11:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC) |
We've got a frequently-changing IP user (who's M.O. fits that of someone occasionally referred to as "Holding Company Guy") again going in and making edits to overly-verbosely redefine companies that provide air transportation services under another company's certificate as something other than an airline. For example, this edit, which changed "an airline based in" to "aced business which brokers charter flights by contracting and leasing none scheduled airlines from it's offices in" (yes, there are a couple typos in there, later fixed). Looking at the first paragraph of airline, which I've reproduced below, I don't think it excludes the possibility of companies being called airlines that aren't operating under their own certificate:
“ | An airline provides air transport services for traveling passengers and/or freight. Airlines lease or own their aircraft with which to supply these services and may form partnerships or alliances with other airlines for mutual benefit. Generally, airline companies are recognized with an air operating certificate or license issued by a governmental aviation body. | ” |
I think in common usage, the term "airline" applies to any company providing air transportation services. It's certainly worthwhile to denote companies that operate under another airline's certificate as such, but not to the point of adding dozens of words and describing the service as something other than an "airline". -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 23:10, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Aren't they normally treated as two separate bailiwicks, and separate from the UK, on lists of airline destinations? What about Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, the Isle of Man, Gibraltar, the Faroes, and the Åland Islands? 119.236.250.27 ( talk) 17:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
A lot of help is needed to improve Fly Guam, a company which leases a plane (for now, more expected later) from Sky King, Inc. (a charter airline) to operate (with its own livery, cabin decoration, inflight magazine and catering services) continuous scheduled flights to Saipan and Hong Kong. It's a company with a real small airline as its parent that operates like an airline, and the charter airline operates something not exactly a charter service. Regardless, in this article, a lot of standardization, POV-tuning, wikifying needs to be done. HkCaGu ( talk) 08:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
EI do not have a freighter fleet how can they have this list? it should be deleted, freight carried on passenger planes does not warrant a list of cargo destinations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.15.184 ( talk) 19:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Since Indian Airlines has been merged into Air India, shouldn't the focus cities of Air India be the same as the former Indian Airlines? — Abhishek Talk to me 16:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Starting 1 July 2011, all Air Jamaica and Caribbean Airlines flights will begin operating under one code BW (which is the code for Caribbean Airlines; Air Jamaica's was JM) according to this article http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/air-jamaica-caribbean-airlines-further-integration-0630 and official press releases. Should we go ahead and list all the JM-operated flights as "Caribbean Airlines" or do we leave as "Caribbean Airlines operated by Air Jamaica"? I went to Air Jamaica's website and all JM flights are now marketed as Caribbean Airlines flights after July 1st. Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I have just been told that the aviation project guidelines stipulate the use of html markup rather than css for table centering - see User_talk:Sitush#Spicejet. I really have no interest at all in aviation and was merely fixing one article due to the appearance there of a well-known sock. However, Help:Table#Centering_tables is a guideline that suggests that css should be used, there is no doubt from my own web design experience that css is preferable for alignment of block elements and there is no logical reason why it cannot be used in this instance.
So why is it not? - Sitush ( talk) 10:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
If an airline simply changes it name, is its former title to be listed in defunct airlines article? what about airlines that are shut down and restarted under new ownership but retain the airlines name, codes etc. as they were before, does this mean they are to be removed from the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.47.193 ( talk) 09:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The Aviación Del Noroeste article has been PRODded, with a rationale of "Garbled content; no sources; impossible to improve the article or even interpret its content". The assertion of "no sources" is incorrect, as there is a reference given which appears to be a book or magazine source. A quick search on the 'net verifies that the airline existed. Although needing improvement, this is not a reason to delete the article. Therefore I've de-prodded the article. Mjroots2 ( talk) 09:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
An IP user with few edits has added a slew of {{ cn}} tags and an advert header to Delta Air Lines, per this diff. It seems like overkill to me, but I don't have the time or energy to eyeball each tag. Can anyone take a look there and see if these are all justified? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 03:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Some experienced eyes might be useful at Micro-airlines. The talk page has some comments and the edit history deserves a look. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is United Express flights from Continental hubs in CLE, IAH, EWR to non-hubs are operating from CO gates at airports and not UA gates? Cause CO and UA still operate from different concourses/terminals/gates at airports. If those flights are operating as "United Express", shouldn't they operate from UA gates as they are marketed as and not as CO Express? Snoozlepet ( talk) 07:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Taking place now even as I revert it, editor adding all former destinations and some new with misleading reference, please take note, Bandung and Kolkata are the only new routes. 116.71.20.211 ( talk) 12:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Vektra Aviation seems non-notable, and has no reliable sources. Can someone look into this, and PROD/AFD it if it's non-notable? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 08:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Mainly for table format layout articles that dont want to merge terminated and current destinations into one list, nor want a seprate table style list for former stations, what do you think Finnair destinations. 116.71.14.105 ( talk) 16:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Could someone who lives in Seattle, WA please take a picture of a Horizon Air aircraft in the new livery? We had an image before, but that was a non-free rendering that was only here until a plane is actually painted in the new livery. But that has happened now, and the image that we had is now up for speedy deletion. Now we need a new picture of the livery. So could someone please upload a picture they took? That would be great. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 23:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
{{ Airlines of the United States}} is getting modified by an IP user, once again creating multiple levels of breakdown with interesting distinctions and bad grammar ("classed as: Majors" should probably be "classified as: Majors") and including archaic terminology such as referring to regional airlines as feeders. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 21:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the standard template for list based destinations British Airways destinations has been changed to table. Dont need a re-action just wanted to note the sad demise of a plain and uncomplicated system for what is a complicated flag-fest of an idea with no hope of making much sense to the average reader. And if this is not a travel guide why do we have IATA and ICAO codes! MilborneOne ( talk) 19:49, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
This is a spin off line of thought from the destinations table format question above - which is "content" question. I am thinking of a quality issues. At its heart are the questions - "what is a list article?" and "what should a list article go through on its way to FL status?".
The name is now written as such and not as Air Pullmantur, please change article title. 116.71.27.237 ( talk) 21:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be double articles for this airline atleast as far as the first two lines of the first paragraph are concerned, one redirects from Finncomm, the other from Finnish Commuter Airlines, kindly verify. inspector ( talk) 08:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Can unilateral c/s be listed in both airlines articles, even though just one is code sharing on the other? 116.71.16.77 ( talk) 15:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Usual problem, complicated ownership details are being added. MilborneOne ( talk) 14:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Can we get some additional eyes on the template's talk page? Right now there is a discussion about removing Direct Air and go! Mokulele. Direct Air was already removed and now this IP editor wants to remove go! Mokulele as well, on the basis that neither are not airlines but "travel advertising marketing brands". If we want to have a consensus standard that the airlines included on the template are certified airlines in their own right, that's fine and I won't object to removing Direct Air and go! Mokulele (though Mokulele Airlines would need to be added). But I would like to see that we have consensus, not just one persistent IP editor pushing his agenda. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 20:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm working on a new article Southern Star Airlines and need some help. Where can I find the IATA and ICAO codes and the Callsign of the airline? I'd also like an experienced editor to check that I haven't made any mistakes with layout, templates, categories, etc. and that the article complies with the styles and standards of this project. Roger ( talk) 12:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Is this a new trend, refer Adria Airways? MilborneOne ( talk) 18:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I think the images at Adria_Airways#Fleet look nice, and it's great to know what the different plane types look like in the company's livery. Maybe I've missed something, but I cannot understand how such fleet tables with images could be considered "ugly". Please do not remove these useful images. Nanobear ( talk) 18:40, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I have managed to get permission from a heap of photographers for the use of their photos. One of the latest permissions is proving to be a treasure trove. The photos so-far uploaded are at commons:Category:Photos by Steve Fitzgerald, with information at commons:Template:SteveFitzgerald. So far I have uploaded a few gems such as the Singapore Airlines Concorde, Sudan Airways Comet, Air Malawi 747SP, etc.
But there is a heap more to go:
and on, and on, it goes. Would editors like to help with 1) getting these up onto Commons (not enwiki) and 2) getting them into articles where appropriate. Would appreciate a lot of help with all of these. Cheers -- Russavia Let's dialogue 23:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
If you refer to commons:User:Russavia#Aviation-related there is a big list of photographers whom have allowed us to upload their photos from a variety of sites. I calculate that there are some 60-70,000++ photos so far available for us to utilise on Commons. I am letting the Wikiproject know that you are free to upload the photos as described on this list. Photos cover a diverse range of aviation - civil, military, general, business - and cover the era from the 1960s right up to the present time. There are many rare photos available for use, such as the Tu-144 shown here. Please take advantage of these resources, upload them to Commons (not local WP), and get them into articles. Any images which may be from airliners.net and have the watermark, add them to Commons:Category:Images from airliners.net with watermarks and I will get the unwatermarked versions. If anyone has any questions, contact me on my Commons talk page at commons:User talk:Russavia. And just to let you know, I have thus far contacted around 300 photographers, and I have a lot more templates and the like to create on Commons where permission has already been given; some photographers I am explaining what releasing under a free licence means to them and am waiting to hear from; some photographers have yet to respond; and some have said they don't want to put their photos on Commons (luckily, these are in the vast minority). So there will be new photographers added every day. Cheers, Russavia Let's dialogue 19:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I have just moved a userspace draft (that I'd forgotten about) about this small Canadian airline (and Air Canada subcontractor) into the article space. It's currently lacking any references (although the fleet data can be found by searching Transport Canada [31]) and certain basic information (IATA/ICAO codes), but I'd rather not be having to defend it at a deletion discussion. Hopefully this project may be able to help.... Thanks, -- RFBailey ( talk) 04:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Biman recently added a 744 to the fleet, despite adding reference in form of photograph an editor is deliberately trying to star edit wars there, I also added another discussion there earlier as ref in summary not as citation, which gives further proof of the lease through various other sources in the topic, I know this is not a valid ref source but it should be sufficient to confiorm that edit is true and acceptable, there are many things added to various articles regularly without reference why is this editor acting like an a**, when its been provided be it in any form, kindly resolve this. 116.71.3.3 ( talk) 20:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
If anyone would like a sneak preview of some 2,000 photos that we will soon have access to, going back to 1960, take a look at http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Ralf%20Manteufel&distinct_entry=true and http://www.abpic.co.uk/search.php?q=Ralf%20Manteufel&u=photographer - I have had a good look thru photos that I could need for my own articles I am working on, and it seems that all 2,000 are absolutely gems.
Having a look through it has got me thinking. Gems like this jumped straight out at me ( http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Breguet-763-Provence/1230009/L/). Whilst it is suitable for the article on the aircraft (which doesn't have a photo such as this in it), the vast majority of the photos we have permission to upload are absolutely useless to us, because the vast majority of the articles I have looked at are full of recentism material and in a lot of cases, cruft. Take my eternal favourite, for example. Singapore_Airlines#In-flight_services is 3-4 times longer than the history of the airline. We have photos available of a Concorde in Singapore Airlines livery, yet in this article it is absolutely useless, because the article totally skips any resemblance of history and is instead a Wikitravel article (advertorial) detailing every facet of promotion of inflight services that doesn't belong in the article, but in the airline PR. I am not singling the SIA article out here, but am using it as an example of what is wrong with airline articles in general.
Having a look, we currently don't have any Featured Articles within the scope of this project. And looking at the Good Articles, the problem is just as bad. Some of the GA's are well deserved, but some are not, and are full of cruft. Take Cathay Pacific for example. Cathay_Pacific#Expansion_in_the_1960s.2C_1970s.2C_and_1980s - Thirty years of history is summed up in 6 lines. Cathay_Pacific#Loyalty_programmes - Airline PR on their loyalty program is god only knows how much longer. This is indicative of what is wrong with airline articles in general. Too much precedence is given to things one would expect to find in a travel guide, whilst the information that one would expect to find in an encyclopaedia is either omitted in its entirety, or is skipped over with just a few lines.
Instead of discussing trivial things such as whether photos belong in tables or not, this project really needs to deal with the endemic problems that exist on a lot of articles--things that will prevent almost all articles from ever reaching FA status. Thoughts welcome. -- Russavia Let's dialogue 13:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Airlines to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 21:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Propose the title be changed to EL AL in all caps from current El Al, as it is a number of airline articles are titled in the style that the name is applied on the aircraft i.e airblue, airBaltic, Jet2 so on. 116.71.7.54 ( talk) 06:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
People who dont bother to look up airline schedules even when they have been attached as reference in the article, and dont even have knowledge of industry develpoments, and then undo the edits made asking for sources and trying to act frikkin smart to hide their stupidity, kindly make some rule to deal with such people, this happened at PrivatAir look up history. 116.71.7.54 ( talk) 08:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC
Hey guys! Continental has now moved the headquarters to Chicago!
It still has employees in Houston, but now it's Chicago-based. WhisperToMe ( talk) 11:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Just realized that SkyWest Airlines destinations and SkyWest Airlines still lack information about destinations and other infobox information for Alaska Airlines. If you have the time, please help. It's been five months since they started. HkCaGu ( talk) 04:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Some editor there is adamant on using UN view of listing destinations in regions, Mexico is listed as UN defined Central America not North America as at WIKIPEDIA, similarly he's adamant on listing Angola as UN defined Middle Africa instead of Central Africa as at WIKIPEDIA, when you search middle africa it redirects to central africa that says it all, Mexico is listed in wikiproject continents??? as a North American country not Central American, can you people please practice some control here and have everything done as per the information at WIKIPEDIA and not as defined elsewhere, THANK YOU. 116.71.3.218 ( talk) 12:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
In regards to KLM, that was resolved not too long ago. The continents column was removed entirely because it is too confusing to many readers. Snoozlepet ( talk) 16:35, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
OpenSkies announced that this route will be ending October 28 but one user change it to seasonal as it will return next summer. However, 2 references were provided (for the IAD) and 1 reference was provided for (EC and ORY) stating that the service will be ending; nowhere in the sources state that the route will be converted to a seasonal route. Also, flights are not bookable for next summer. Is this route permanently ending or seasonal until it returns? Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
An RfC request regarding airline destination lists was placed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Lists#Classification of Hong Kong and Macau under airline destination lists. 119.237.156.46 ( talk) 13:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Since the consensus was to add the year for start dates at WP:AIRPORTS for airport articles. We should do the same for airline destinations. Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:43, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm a Third Opinion Wikipedian and I'm just here to let you know that your request for a Third Opinion has been removed because of the number of editors involved in this discussion. 3O is for disputes in which exactly two editors are involved and have reached a stalemate. If you feel that you still need dispute resolution you might want to consider the dispute resolution noticeboard, but let me note that this discussion seems pretty vigorous and does not seem to be in need of much help at this point. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 17:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
And let us not forget the MoS which still allows dates without a year. I did not comment on the other discussion electing to see what happened. The result is reverting of edits that follow the old style and the MoS which does not require a year as I read it. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Many editors think that just because an airline is an Alliance member it automatically code shares with all others carriers in that alliance, that is not the case always, so instead of listing it as "in addition to XYZ Alliance partners, ABC Airlines also have codeshare agreements with the following" it should just be "ABC Airlines codeshare with the following" and only list those airlines with whom they have the agreemnent from the alliance they belong to, in addition to the other carriers. 116.71.21.216 ( talk) 08:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
A user continues to add a section on critism to Firefly but is adding invalid/inappropriate sources (such as a personal blog and Facebook). If anyone can find a reliable source for this, please readd? Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
We got several IPs (presumably the same user) remnoving CDG as a hub again from the Delta Air Lines page again. We go through this every few months there. I know this has been a contentious issue within the project, but the last I remember, we decided to go withthe airlines' individual definitions, as there are no objective standards for determining what constitutes a hub. - BilCat ( talk) 06:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there any article covering the recent staff disputes that Qantas has been having, or is this not considered to be encyclopaedic? The current situation where the CEO has now grounded the entire fleet seems rather extraordinary:
“ | Flights in the air would land at their destinations as normal but no other Qantas flight would take off until further notice | ” |
ref: Simon Benson and Vanda Carson (29 October 2011 6:02 AM UTC )
"Shock as Qantas chief Alan Joyce grounds airline's domestic and international fleet".
The Daily Telegraph (Australia). Retrieved 29 October 2011
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Thank you for your comments. The Qantas article has been updated, and there is now a new article, 2011 Qantas trade union disputes covering the issue in more depth. Regards, 220.101.30 talk \edits (aka 220.101) 13:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, please do not change the Qantas article to past tense. The airline is not defunct, operations are just suspended until further notice. Snoozlepet ( talk) 00:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I consider it vandalism, one editor is going around removing these from tables lists to suit his fancy, as you know the table list is meant to have both past and present destinations, so what should be done? 116.71.30.241 ( talk) 19:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I have been doing a bit of maintenance, adding infoboxes, among other things, and have found that the majority of articles in WPAviation requiring infoboxes are airline articles. Can YOU help by adding infoboxes to articles listed at [32]. Petebutt ( talk) 16:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
These should be acceptable as semi-confirmed in this case http://www.hindustantimes.com/flydubai-to-connect-Ahmedabad-with-Dubai/Article1-700243.aspx yet its is being reverted by editor abhishek. inspector123
The airline has ended passenger service, should there be a seprate Martinair Cargo title for destinations list, while Martinair destinations can host all historic passenger destinations? 116.71.17.64 ( talk) 10:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Some editors in good faith are going arround poting tons of un-needed photos to the destinations lists pages of airlines, making the articles look unappealing to viewers and distortiong table layout with wrapping text see Turkish Airlines destinations which used to be a simple and clean looking article, kindly put a stop to this unecessary practice, it seems like whenever editors are bored they try to take a new challenge of dressing up wiki articles and that too without concensus. Though original table layout lists of airlines also started off as such, I think less is more and the photos should be removed from there as well, you clearly see the clean look difference in ones made later without photos. inspector ( talk) 16:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi can anyone please get Monarch's new logo (Indigo crwon with Monarch.co.uk on) and put it on wiki because the current logo (Monarch with indigo & yellow crown) they stopped using in 2009. Thanks -- MKY661 ( talk) 20:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been raised before but I'm not a regular here. Most major airlines list of destinations seem to include a single table purporting to be a list of destinations as of ... . eg. Qantas destinations. I suggest that terminated and future destinations be moved into separate tables within the article. I believe that this would make the articles much more useful to the reader. Moondyne ( talk) 14:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
What is the ruling on charter destinations operated by non-charter airlines especially flag carriers, can they be listed in their destination lists with reference, are they to be only listed in airport articles only or neither of the two? 119.155.53.160 ( talk) 13:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
This airticle is about a gropund handling company and not an airport, it should be changed to Alitalia Airport (Company). 119.155.37.228 ( talk) 12:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
A lot of people are saying that both carriers are to receive a single operating certificate on November 30, 2011. Can anyone provide a source for this? Snoozlepet ( talk) 15:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
When do we change the Continental Airlines page to past tense and what date should "cease operations" be? Should the date of cease of operations be the date when United received the single operating certificate on November 30, 2011 or the date when the reservation systems combine and the "CO" IATA code disappears? Need to solve a "mini" dispute regarding that page. Snoozlepet ( talk) 00:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Project members may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Czech Airlines destinations. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Our favorite IP editor is at it again, now with a newly redesigned {{ Republic Airways Holdings}} navigation box. Three of the links go to the same article (and who is "RAH Air Carriers", anyway?). -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 01:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Virgin Australia's parent company Virgin Blue Holdings has officially changed their name to Virgin Australia Holdings, [33]. I have requested a page move at Talk:Virgin_Blue_Holdings#Page_Move_request_to_Virgin_Australia_Holdings if you wish to participate. Sb617 ( Talk) 11:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Several editors have decided to start a Commons Aviation WikiProject which is going to be devoted to aviation-related content on Commons; Commons:Commons:WikiProject_Aviation. Some of the main tasks for the project include maintaining and sorting aviation content, as well as working on obtaining permission from photographers to upload their photos to Commons, in addition to working on introducing photographers to Commons to get them to upload photos directly to Commons. There is a discussion at Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation at which we are trying to ascertain what the needs of the community-at-large are, so please feel free to join in the discussion. Also, if there are any project members who are willing to do some translation work for us that would be great. See Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Translations for more info. Also, anyone with scripting knowledge would be welcome, as there are some ideas which would require such expertise. Look forward to hearing from project members over on Commons with any ideas, etc. Please feel free to translate this message as needed. Cheers, Y u no be Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 14:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
May I draw your attention regarding this section? Isn't it crystal balling? Why assuming all the airlines will continue serving Berlin once operations will be taken over by Brandenburg?-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 19:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Some editors are listing Turkey in Asia on destination lists of text format, do the Asian side cities list in Asia or Europe? what about Russia's Asian cities, if an airline only flies to those, where do they get listed. 116.71.16.2 ( talk) 14:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The places are too few to warrant a seprate page or even a table format, these can easily be merged with main airline article in text list style, normally such articles are redirected to the main one and destinations moved there, but some editors seem to have taken ownership of certain articles and this is one such where there will be edit wars unless some one with clout deals with it. I had just listed the destinsations in text format in main article just to show, and it looked great, but was reverted as requested, you can go see it in edit history. 116.71.9.145 ( talk) 01:38, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
When an airline announce that they will open a hub at an airport on a specific date, do we list the airport in the hubs list with the opening date or should we wait until the hub officially opens and then add it to the list? Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
We apparently have two different articles for one airline. Virgin Australia and Virgin Australia International Airlines seem to be the same airline with evidence from their website. The Virgin Australia fleet now contains the V Australia Boeing 777-300ER, which is why I don't see how there need to be two articles for the same airline. I hope someone can clarify this. → εϻαd ιν ΤαΙk Ͼδητrιβμτιoης 11:37, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there such a subsidiary with a fleet? its not listed anywhere on internet no references online either. signed inspector123
Some one has redirected Syrian air's fairly large destintions list to main article, kindly revert back to seprate destinations list page. inspector23
The featured article candidacy for Boeing 767 is open, and is in need of comments from fellow editors. This is a widely used aircraft among many airlines; hopefully members of WP:AIRLINE can provide some input. Thanks in advance! Best regards, SynergyStar ( talk) 02:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you sick and tired of wasting so much of your time arguing about the best destination list? Feel like you're getting nowhere? Want to work on expanding history sections but don't have time to go searching for a good reference? Well, don't worry about finding a good reference yourself because I have found one for you. Just go to fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/. You can search for a particular or browse thru a list of companies from A to Z. While it's just a general resource for companies in general, it has LOTS of comprehensive info about airlines too. It looks like it has info on defunct airlines too, such as Pan Am and TWA. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to have regional airlines that are subsidiaries of another airline. While it doesn't appear to have been updated in the past ten years, that shouldn't be a big deal because most articles already have plenty of info on events that took place in the last ten years. I used this website to help me expand Alaska Airlines' history section a while ago, and I will probably be using it again. I plan to use this to expand Korean Air and Kenmore Air in the near future, and I would love it if other users volunteered to work on other articles too. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 20:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I recently reverted the Alitalia destinations article to the list format from the newly instated table format, and was greeted (after ten days or so) with a flurry of angry editors saying I am being unconstructive and should use the sandbox (!). I had given quite a few reasons for this change however, and I believe the table format is quite a nuiscance to the readability of the article:
Now, I believe it was decided that having the table or list format is A CHOICE and in this case I see the list format as far more useful, so why have I been reverted on the basis of having violated a rule ("you can't go from the table to the list format")? Thanks for any help - Speed74 ( talk) 15:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Please see User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help make the National Archives ExtravaSCANza a success, in the hope that such events will continue in the future. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Another article that needs to be redirected to be merged into the main one due to too few destinations. 119.155.45.193 ( talk) 15:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Regardless of whether the list is merged into the main article or not, the current table is terrible. Describing eg. Seoul as an operational charter destination from Pyongyang is actively incorrect; just because there has been a showpiece flight or two for some delegation does not mean it's actually even remotely possible for people to fly Air Koryo to anywhere in South Korea. Also, the color scheme is vomitous and the flags blatantly unnecessary (see MOS:FLAGS). Jpatokal ( talk) 02:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I recently proposed moving Virgin America destinations back into the parent article Virgin America since I felt that the airline didn't even have enough destinations to warrant having a separate destinations list and I also felt that merging it back into the parent article wouldn't overwhelm it. I thought there would be unanimous agreement, but there wasn't. A couple other users pointed out to me that there had been consensus on the talk page a long time ago that ten destinations was considered "enough" for a separate destinations sub-article. Is this really so? If that is true, then why isn't it clearly stated on the project guidelines page? My idea was that if destinations weren't viewable without scrolling up and down the page, or if the list of destinations took up the majority of an airline page, then it deserves its own article. I don't like the fact that we have this rigid rule (it isn't really being followed or enforced, anyway), and I also feel that the guidelines at WP:SPLIT and WP:MERGE should take precedence over this project's own guidelines. — Compdude123 ( talk) 22:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Another Wikipedia policy that needs to be considered by this project is WP:COLOR. We use color coding in destination lists, so that's why I wanted to bring this up. (BTW I don't want to get rid of it altogether; I just want everyone here to be aware of the following). I noticed some things there that we aren't doing as a project, here they are:
I am not trying to propose getting rid of the colors altogether; I just want to make sure that everyone knows that colors should not be used as the only means of conveying important information. — Compdude123 ( talk) 21:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a source saying that Mesaba and Pinnacle's certificates were combined? The headquarters were relocated to Memphis, TN a couple of weeks ago but did the airline cease operations? Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
According to the Airline infobox template the fleet size field should only include the total active fleet of an airline. Recently an editor has changed a few articles to a collapsible list in the fleet size field showing 'active', 'orders' and 'commitments'. To me this goes against both the project guide and WP:IBX which states the purpose of an article infobox is ...The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance (my emphasis). Information can't be obtained 'at a glance' if it's hidden in a collapsible list. I don't see how this modified way complies at all with either objective. Do any other editors have an opinion on this? Thanks. SempreVolando ( talk) 04:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I have raised this in new section below as the title of this discussion doesn't really fit with the proposed change we are making. Give it a few days for editors to add any further comments before we go ahead with the change. SempreVolando ( talk) 07:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC) <------Read Below------> This discussion has been moved to "Collapsible lists in infobox - amendment to template / project guide". Please when posting in that discussion keep your posts short and to the point so we can get a consensus and the fighting can END!!!!!
Kam Air have sent in an OTRS request to have the article on them deleted. Mjroots ( talk) 13:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
It has seprate lists for domestic and international routes, why? when sort function is mean to sort that out in a single list. 116.71.10.128 ( talk) 22:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I have finished working on this article, now it's a lot better. — Compdude123 ( talk) 22:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
The Fleet size in infobox discussion above diverged a little from topic and grew into a debate over the general use of collapsible lists in the infobox of airline articles. I'm adding this section in case any other editors wish to comment on what was discussed or the proposed wording amendment to the infobox template, as it may not be obvious at first glance because of the discussion title used. The proposed wording for bases, hubs, secondary hubs and focus cities would change in the infobox template, to add: where a large number of bases / hubs / secondary hubs / focus cities results in an excessively long infobox which disrupts the formatting of the rest of the article, consideration should be given to using collapsible lists for this section, for example at Easyjet and Ryanair. Any further comments / discussion welcome. Thanks. SempreVolando ( talk) 07:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Please comment on the peer review; see below. Thanks!
I remember reading somewhere that for an accident involving an airliner to be included in articles there must be deaths and/or airframe total losses. I'm currently engaging with another editor on Airlink about the inclusion/exclusion of an incident that caused no injuries or severe airframe damage. The sticking point is a paragraph about an emergency landing with the nose gear stuck retracted. I'm against including it, the other editor wants it in. I earlier removed a paragraph about another "no injuries, no major damage" incident from the same article - that removal has not been challenged (so far). Some guidance would be appreciated. Roger ( talk) 15:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
What about incidents such as involving scheduled airliners landing at the wrong airfield? Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 06:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Just to let you know, this redirect has been nominated for deletion.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 03:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
An editor is undoing edits merging the destinations with main article, reason being for merger that destinations are too few and main airline article also has minimal content, makes sense to merge. 116.71.20.232 ( talk) 15:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
An edit war seems to have broken out at Air France. Being a good admin, I've fully protected the article at the WP:WRONGVERSION for three days. Input from members of this WP is sought at talk:Air France. I've not blocked the parties in this dispute because I want them to discuss the issue. Mjroots ( talk) 07:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
An interesting point arose from this edit: the United Kingdom is not a country but a realm comprised by for countries. Despite this, it has been given country status in most of the destination articles, as it was included under the column entitled "Country". Has this issue been previously discussed? The way I see the whole thing, all destination articles in which the UK is labelled as a country should be appropriately modified. Following are just three examples showing the misuse of the term for the UK: Air Canada destinations, American Airlines destinations and Lufthansa destinations. Comments please.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 23:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
In everyday language countries are states and states are countries. Arguing about sovereignty is semantic political BS. The UK is a country. England, Wales, et al, are constituent; whether or not they call themselves countries is irrelevant. SchmuckyTheCat ( talk)
According the the Wikipedia article on the United Kingdom it states "It is a country in its own right and consists of four countries" but the article also says the UK is a unitary state. One of the references puts the government's position. I didn't want to start a massive argument, so lets all accept that the UK and England, Scotland etc are all countries. In that case, can someone please say why it is wrong to put in a Wikipedia article that London is in England and Cardiff is in Wales etc? What is the actual problem with stating the truth? It would be more accurate, and certainly not incorrect or vandalism. 78.86.37.131 ( talk) 18:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
A little bit sidetrack from the discussion around UK. If England, Scotland et al aren't countries, what about dependencies such as Greenland, Puerto Rico, Aruba, Jersey, Guam, the Isle of Man, the Falklands, the Faroes and Gibraltar? Should they appear as countries or as provinces? The problem had appeared with KLM destinations and a large number of other destination lists. 116.49.130.45 ( talk) 17:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article for Denmark says that "The Kingdom of Denmark is a sovereign state consisting of the country of Denmark and two autonomous constituent countries, the Faroe Islands and Greenland. The article Scandinavian Airlines destinations lists Denmark and Greenland separately along with their flags. Why is this the case here, but cannot be done for the United Kingdom. 78.86.37.131 ( talk) 18:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I know that a couple of airlines: Continental (merged with UA), Spanair, Mexicana, Malev, etc. all have ceased operations therefore making those airlines defunct. However, does that necessarily mean the airline left their alliances. I know that a lot of people removed the airlines from the respective alliances. However, the official alliance webpage (Star Alliance, Oneworld, SkyTeam) still has those airlines listed as a member. Should we wait until the airline diappears from the list (I know that CO will diappear once its reservation system will be combine with UA shortly) or should we remove them from the alliance pages once the airline officially has ceased. Regards! Snoozlepet ( talk) 04:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
@RFBailey, I just checked the Star Alliance webpage and Continental is no longer listed as a member. Snoozlepet ( talk) 07:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I am interested in possibly changing Newark on airport pages. Newark Liberty serves the entire New York area and we all know it and it wouldn't hurt to add so for example on an airport page instead of it just saying Newark it would say New York-Newak. Comments are appreciated! Cali4529 ( talk) 22:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Given that NYC has YORK&Use=&Certification= ten listed airports, and that Newark isn't one of them, I'd want to see a much stronger argument than has been presented before supporting New York as part of the EWR article title. Is there some reason a passenger flying to NYC would prefer EWR over other airports? I can see why an airline would choose to do so, of course. If the carrier has limited flights to other regional airports they'd still prefer to get some of the NYC destined passengers' business. To make matters even fuzzier, there are other YORK&Use=&Certification= Newarks with airports in Newark, Ohio, Newark, New York, and Newark, Illinois. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
(unindent) Outside of the United States, Newark is not a particularly well-known city, especially when compared to New York (one of the most famous cities in the world). So in an international context, it is quite understandable for Newark to be described as "New York-Newark". In many international markets (especially those formerly served by Continental), Newark is the only of the airports listed by IATA under the "NYC" code to be served. It is not uncommon for airports to be located outside of the principal municipality which they serve (e.g. Pearson, Gatwick, Narita, etc.), or even in a different state-level jurisdiction (e.g. Cincinnati).
Of course, if a reader is looking at a destination list (say, for Birmingham Airport), happens across the name "Newark" and doesn't know where it is, if we were to link to destination airports in these lists, they could always click on it to find out. -- RFBailey ( talk) 20:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to redirect your attention from the previous discussions for just a moment. An editor (that is also an administrator) is adding unsourced information to the list of flag carriers table in the article. Can anyone help with this? The straight solution is to remove all unsourced material, but then I will probably be accused of vandalising the article. I already explained him/her that their actions go against the WP:SOURCE policy.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 20:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
A recent discussion over the contents of the article arose between Chrisieboy and me, this time regarding excessive information. In particular, the last column of the table seems to be completely irrelevant to the scope of the article for both of us, while my vision for the remaining ones is that they seem to be poorly referenced. In summary, I believe the article requires cleanup. Seeing that the page is also within the scope of the project, I'm asking for other opinions, just the way I requested third opinions for the inclusion or not of lists of aircraft in alliance liveries below. I kindly request your views to be posted here. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 18:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)