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http://www.stats-sh.gov.cn/tjnj/nj14.htm?d1=2014tjnj/C1104.htm is being used to source the statement that there are 14,479 "high rise" buildings (defined as 12 or more stories) in Shanghai in List of cities with the most high-rise buildings. This would make that city first in the world in number of high-rise buildings. Mirandajovi posted to the article talk page, and at the Teahouse, expressing disbelief of this figure.
Note that the figure 14,479 does not appear in the cited page, nor does it seem a simple sum or difference of any relevant figures that do appear.
The page seems to be in Japanese. I used google translate to get a rough idea of its contents, and it does seem to be a table of number of buildings with a given range of stories, but I can't tell what area this table covers, nor whether this is a reliable source for these statements. Any advice, particularly from editors with knowledge of Japanese Chinese, would be helpful.
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I think its only a city official claimed for Shanghai. Other cities in India, Iran, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc also claimed their cities had thousands highrise. Only Emporis completed with the name of the building and with their stories. So we can trust Emporis not just city claimed. This article based in Emporis sources which is neutral sources and in English. But somebody had edited the article and put Shanghai highrise more than 14.000 based on local sources which is not neutral sources. Its impossible Shanghai highrise : Hongkong highrise + New York highrise
http://www.emporis.com/statistics/skyline-ranking In this source Shanghai only had 1,232 building. Emporis data completed with list the name of the highrise so we can verified not just city claimed. Somebody claimed Shanghai had 14.000 higrise. But cant give the name of the building just number claimed which is cant verified. Shanghai is international city why no single foreigner report it to Emporis ?? For example in the year 2014 Emporis count the highrise in Moscow only 3000 buildings. But there is a report completed with the name of the building. So Emporis change highrise count for Moscow more than 10.000 highrise.
There is a pattern for building more than 180 metre : Hongkong had 143, New York had 100, Chicago had 50, Shanghai only had 70. For the city without height restriction there is impossible Shanghai only had 70 buildings more than 180 metre but had more than 14.000 highrise building. New York had 100 building more than 180 metre but New York only had 6.000 highrise building. Except city with height restriction such as Sao Paulo.-- Mirandajovi ( talk) 03:24, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly adding a a blog post from "Tyler Durden" of ZeroHedge to support the following statement:
As of Oct 27 2015, at least one hedge fund newsletter questioned whether the actual value of Theranos (and thus net worth for Holmes) is approaching $0."
The blog is a primary source written by a pseudonymous author "Tyler Durden" -- not suitable in accordance with WP:BLP. Secondly, it doesn't really support the assertion that the net worth for Holmes is approaching $0. The exact quote from the blog:
That's ok: she lied again, something which appears to have been a recurring pattern for this 31-year-old paper multibillionaire. Sadly for her, following these escapades, "on paper" is where her young billionaire status will remain, as we doubt anyone, either in the private market, and certainly in the public one, will bother to invest even $1 more at a valuation anywhere approaching $9 billion, or even a valuation of $0 for that matter.
Need a third opinion on whether this is an acceptable source or not. utcursch | talk 20:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
By September 2009, Zero Hedge had begun drawing more traffic than more established financial websites[5] with 333,000 unique visitors a month, impressing even those[who?] who say the news site is full of conspiracy theory and "apocalyptic world view".[4]
Matt Taibbi, in his book Griftopia, cites Zero Hedge in the last chapter as accurately assessing the level of corruption in the banking industry and credits its inside advantage. He questions why mainstream financial media did not earlier detect the corruption at Goldman Sachs.
The Economist notes that startups of this nature can wind up being valued as a "fantasy" rather than based upon present reality. [1]
The article History of the creation–evolution controversy doesn't use the Bible as a source. It uses secondary sources that discuss the Bible as a reference. If a reliable source discusses this ZeroHedge blog post, the ZeroHedge claim can be added to the article.
"The beginning of the end of" is an expression, and even that line doesn't mention anything about the net worth of Elizabeth Holmes. (Not that this matters -- even if it did, ZeroHedge still fails WP:RS).
And there is no "censorship" here. You actually removed some of the content portraying Theranos in a negative light from the article. The only issue here is the "$0 net worth" bit, which is your interpretation of a source that's not acceptable.
utcursch | talk 15:39, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they can't but I just wanted to make sure. Can Google Maps and Streetview be used as reliable sources? Simply south .... .. time, deparment skies for just 9 years 01:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
The last arch at the south end is a skew arch to accommodate the A7 public road, which runs parallel to the viaduct before cutting underneath it. [2] The viaduct is nearly straight, but with a slight curve at the northern end where it crosses the river. [2] [3] To the south of the viaduct is a caravan park. [2]
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His oldest brother Harry, who also had artistic talent, had long been coping with various mental illnesses—for a time he had been committed to Bellevue.
User:Modernist is adamant that "mental" not be mentioned, and deleted it. He claims to have personal knowledge of the family, and says the book "verges on libel" on this issue. See Talk:Al Jaffee#H Jaffee, where he is claiming that he knows personally that the book is wrong on this point.
(Previous attempts at resolution at ANI and DRN have been punted, with the suggestion that this is the proper forum.) Choor monster ( talk) 17:40, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
I want to describe a theory - the first theory published about some topic. The theory was published more than 200 years ago and it is related to the alternative location of Great Moravia. Are the studies about a historian who published this theory and his work (including a detailed description of his theory) considered to be a relevant and reliable sources? They were published by reliable and recognized historians. Ditinili ( talk) 18:04, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
In May 2014, User:Soul Crusher made a posting to this noticeboard, generally pointing out that Scaruffi's writings on music had been accepted as authoritative by several unrelated sources. That posting is here.
With this posting, I am adding information about Scaruffi's publications by third-party publishers. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Scaruffi was being published by Arcana (Milan, Italy). In 1991, it published Guida all'avanguardia e alla New Wave (Guide to Avant-Garde and New Wave). According to WorldCat.org, print copies of this book are held in the university libraries of Princeton, Pennsylavania, Columbia, Cornell, and Georgia, as well as the city libraries of Seattle and New York (plus other libraries in Italy, Germany and Switzerland). One edition of this book was coupled with a CD from Nonesuch Records.
Aracana also published a multi-volume series Grandi opere rock (the exact number of volumes is unclear, but it is at least 22). Scaruffi wrote one of these volumes -- Enciclopedia della musica New Age (1996, volume 16 of the series).
Comments on this will be welcome. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 18:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Source: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=65438816
Article: Bob Mosher ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This source was recently added to the page to source the names of Mosher's parents. However, the edits adding the source also removed any mention of Mosher being Jewish (backed up by another source of dubious reliability), presumably because the source claims the elder Mosher to be an Episcopalian. My instinct is that Find A Grave is unreliable due to its user-editable nature, but I'd like to get a few other opinions if possible. clpo13( talk) 03:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a request for comments at [ Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)#What does MEDRS cover? ].
At issue is whether the lead paragraph OF WP:MEDRS should remain...
...or whether it should be changed to...
This has the potential to change the sourcing policy from WP:RS to WP:MEDRS on a large number of Wikipedia pages, so please help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 06:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Source. Maan News [ 'Locals: Settlers prevent Palestinian farmers from olive harvest,' Ma'an News Agency 31 October 2015]. Article. [[List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, July–December 2015]. Content. : **Farmers in Burin were blocked from harvesting their olives by settlers, who reportedly also stole olives and agricultural equipment in the Bab Sanna area of Burin, [1]<
Is this source reliable for this claim? Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 19:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
See for serious questions regarding their reliability. It looks like NGO Monitor and Palestinian Media Watch have found serious cases of quoting untrue reports and for espousing hate propaganda. I suggest they are not used as reliable sole sources for Wikipedia articles.
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There is a dispute over whether to include Slash as a featured artist on this song. The single cover (not to mention the Discogs entry) indeed has Slash listed, but some users disagree. (I brought the issue here because that article's talk page doesn't see much activity.) Erpert blah, blah, blah... 00:47, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
1. Source.
Peter Dale Scott's essay
"Launching the U.S. Terror War: the CIA, 9/11, Afghanistan, and Central Asia; Bush’s Terror War and the Fixing of Intelligence".
2. Article.
Safari Club
3. Content.
After explaining that the War on Terror should be called "Bush's Terror War", Scott writes: "This essay will demonstrate that before 9/11 a small element inside the CIA’s Bin Laden Unit and related agencies, the so-called Alec Station Group, were also busy, 'fixing' intelligence by suppressing it, in a way which, accidentally or deliberately, enabled the Terror War." He heavily cites not only himself but 9/11 conspiracy authors Anthony Summers, Kevin Fenton, John Farmer, Jr., and an article in 911Truth.org by truthers Rory O'Connor (filmmaker) and Ray Nowosielski.
Regarding the content in question, the only statement in the article that mentions Jimmy Carter, Stansfield Turner, Theodore Shackley, or Thomas Clines states: "Then senior CIA officers and ex-officers (notably Richard Helms), who were dissatisfied with the CIA cutbacks instituted under Jimmy Carter’s CIA director, Stansfield Turner, organized an alternative network, the so-called Safari Club. Subordinated to intelligence chiefs from France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and (under the Shah) Iran, the Safari Club provided a home to CIA officers like Theodore Shackley and Thomas Clines, who had been marginalized or fired by CIA Director Turner." Edwin P. Wilson is not even mentioned in the article. Thanks! - Location ( talk) 00:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi. I'm a new user here so I'm not very familiar with the rules but it seems like the the Type 99 pages has been embroiled in a back and forth and edits. Thus I seek clarification about a particular contentious source here.
Documentary This biographical documentary/interview of the Type 99's lead designer by CCTV has labelled propaganda and thus unreliable. I find it disturbing because although the documentary was filmed to achieve some kind of propaganda purpose, the source was not cited to support propaganda but to support other sources in explaining the development of the Type 99 tank.
I understand that CCTV has been in the news for continuous gaffes and being a state mouthpiece in general. But shouldn't this film be treated as a primary source first and foremost? The separation of fact and fiction would be harder than other news media but until contradictory information appears, must we not take the state media at face value? Shouldn't prefixing an "according to" or "it was claimed by" be sufficient, as seen by other claims on the page made by non-Chinese sources?
From what I can tell https://www.zeroto60times.com ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/zeroto60times.com, search results) is just another scraper site. They appear to use bots or crawlers to scrape data from any websites they can find and put it together on easily-referenced tables, which generate traffic, which is for the ads. The ads and offsite links look sketchy to me, if not malware. Their About page claims they're better than other similar sites, but I don't see how. There's nothing naming the authors of the content. They say they average data from different "credible" sources to produce a "unique" result, but they don't cite their sources, or explain what their criteria for credibility is. Anyone know of a reason we should keep citations to this site? -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 23:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
An IP address editor added a 2014 British Psychological study found here http://www.bps.org.uk/news/women-more-aggressive-partners-men to the domestic violence article, some months ago now and was recently removed with no real explanation or logic? The study conducted by the British Psychological Society examined intimate partner violence and concluded that women are more likely to be physically aggressive in domestic scenarios than men. I'm neutral on the topic, and realise this is a primary source, but it appears the British Psychological Society is a reputable organization. Can some neutral editors have a look at the source and make a neutral, objective judgement. I'd rather post the question here, than get anywhere near the chance of an edit war. Thanks ahead of time. Charlotte135 ( talk) 02:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
At Mary (mother of Jesus) I removed a statement linking the two because I thought Merlini to fail WP:RS - partially because I think that the version of "archaeomythology" he represents and the journal is fringe, but he mainly because he has no qualifications for such a statement. An IP hopper has twice replaced it. As it read now, it says:
"The continuing association of Mary and Artemis is shown in a paper by Dr. Marco Merlini <ref>http://www.archaeomythology.org/about-the-institute-of-archaeomythology/governance-of-the-institute-of-archaeomythology/marco-merlini/</ref> "A Post-Byzantine fresco of the XVI century from the most important monastery, the Great Lavra, depicts a very unusual Annunciation. Not a Christian saint or martyr but a pagan goddess, Artemis, attends at the fatal encounter between the archangel Gabriel and the Virgin Mary"<ref>The Journal of Archaeomythology Volume 7 2011 "The Pagan Artemis in the Virgin Mary Salutation at Great Lavra, Mount Athos" by Marco Merlini</ref>"
The link to the Institute of Archaeomythology, established by a student of Marija Gimbutas, seems to be there to establish Merlini's credentials. These are:
2008 Doctorate cum laude, ” Lucian Blaga” University, Sibiu, Romania.
1976Masters Degree in Political Science, University of Turin, Italy.
Degr ee of Csi (Centro studi informatici):“Statistica e programmazione.”
1974 Degree cum Laude and Honorable Mention in Political Sciences, University of Turin.
More detail is at this site which states that his PhD was in “NeoEneolithic Literacy in Southeastern Europe: an Inquiry into the Danube Script”. Nothing to do with art history or classical mythology.
It's hard to deal with an IP hopper for obvious reasons, but instead of reverting again I'm bringing this here.
Doug Weller (
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Merlini's cv says this about him: "Marco Merlini, Ph.D., is a cultural manager, journalist and archaeo-semiologist. He is Executive Director of the InnovaNet and EURO INNOVANET research institutes and is General Director of the Prehistory Knowledge Project in Rome, Italy. He is the Coordinator of M.U.S.E.U.M. — the network of the archaeological, historical and prehistoric museums of European capital cities — and the “Virtual Museum of European Roots.” He is also Director of Communications of the Institute of Archaeomythology and is the author of La scrittura è nata in Europa (2004) and numerous articles on the Danube script." I don't think that Dr Merlini is making a relationship between Mary and Artemis, this is purely factual both goddesses are in the painting the relationship was put there by the artist. Ephesis was the major centre of Artemis worship, it became a centre of Mary worship and mythology. Merlini's paper is about a fresco at a prominent Orthodox monastery and the quotation made merely establishes the fact that such a fresco exists and that it contained both Mary and Artemis. (The article can be downloaded here http://www.academia.edu/3035438/The_Pagan_Artemis_in_the_Virgin_Mary_Salutation_part_I or here http://www.archaeomythology.org/publications/the-journal-of-archaeomythology/2011-volume-7/2011-volume-7-article-9/) As to the rest of Merlini's article, that has not been incorporated. I used the factual quote not his conclusions (good or bad). There are photos in his article which show that the facts are accurate. I'm sorry I wasn't able to read the link for the suggested alternative reference as Google wouldn't give it to me. The Wikipedia Mary article contains mostly Hagiography and quotes from the Bible as though it is a factual document. Here and there extra information is in the article such as the fact that Jesus was estranged from his family and rejected them and they him. The Mary of popular worship is a myth. To be even more blunt, a "virgin story" was created in order to fulfil a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14. Personally I find Artemis a far more interesting figure but that's a POV I haven't put in the article. This article is at least twice as long as it should be and the last person to try to do an overall edit was Editor2020 and that was only partial. I'm not a Wikipedia habitue but have attempted to add a little salt here and there. Hopefully against a tide of irrationality, and without being offensive, people can draw their own conclusions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.51.71.17 ( talk • contribs)
On closer examination, the source is not as good as I had thought. I didn't see any wild theories, I scanned over it rather than reading it in detail as it is fairly long. There was some interesting material about Hittite beliefs that preceded Artemis in Ephesus when it was a Hittite town. In the ancient world there was no universal culture, so even national gods were modified by local traditions. The Universities that he cites in his museum project are apparently minor Italian Serbian Bulgarian and Romanian ones. http://www.archaeomythology.org/about-the-institute-of-archaeomythology/fellows-honorary-members-associate/ http://europeanvirtualmuseum.net/evm/documenti/research_1.pdf The article he wrote reads like a popular Archaeology magazine, perhaps a little higher standard. I'm happy to have it replaced with the source that you provided but in the meantime someone else has protected it. My purpose was to bring in some intellectual material to this article, looking at it from different perspectives than blind belief. As you provided the reference perhaps you would like to make the edit. "Gordon Laing argues convincingly that the worship of Artemis as both virgin and mother at the grand Ephesian temple contributed to the veneration of Mary." seems adequate.
No problem and sorry about being an "edit warrior", having observed previous vandalism I thought it more of the same.
My understanding is that a source is generally always reliable for its own opinion, but numerous people at Talk:Anita_Sarkeesian#Censoring_any_criticism appear to contest that. Is Breitbart reliable for the statement: The conservative website, Breitbart, was critical of Sarkeesian's ability as an art critic. sourced to "Let's Stop Pretending Anita Sarkeesian Is an Art Critic". Breitbart. Retrieved 2015-11-03. Thanks, Second Quantization ( talk) 00:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Opinion sources are generally usable for opinions cited as opinions. Those who think that a source can not be used for its own opinions are mistaken. For material about celebrities in any nation on earth, it is hard to find any truly reliable source for contentious facts or claims of fact. Mao was a reliable source for the opinions of Mao - yet I would not use him for claims of fact about his reign (yes - I know he is dead, but I am referring to written opinions here). If the issue is "what is art criticism?", then we may consider whether the person (apparently Mytheos Holt) holding the opinion is notable enough for his or her opinions about what is or is not art criticism (in the case at hand whether the person holding an opinion can state that the material is not construed by him as art criticism), but that has nothing to do with whether the opinion is printed by the NYT or the Daily Mail - the opinion at issue belongs to the person voicing it, not to the publisher. One might note this is exactly the same position I cite for all such matters and sources from RT onwards.
Collect (
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A lot of ink was spilled on pretty much the same question last year. [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Rhoark ( talk) 02:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Even bothering to mention somebody's opinion of somebody else's art criticism as posted on breitbart.com is a violation of WP:UNDUE anyway. A reputable art critic, published in a reputable, reliable source: that might be relevant to the article. But breitbart.com is not known for discussion of artistic issues any more than Juggs is known for tofu recipes. -- Orange Mike | Talk 02:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Reliable for its own opinion? Yes. On its own article. On other articles you have to ask not if it's reliable but if it's notable, which is different. DreamGuy ( talk) 02:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Is the above a reliable source? See [9] and [10]. 32.218.47.132 ( talk) 03:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
A source used on Killing of Cecil the Lion, Johnny Rodrigues, was challenged based on the ground that he had apparently contradicted himself. A response (from an administrator) has been that it's not allowed to "bad-mouth living persons", and at my objection that this interpretation would mean the inability to challenge the reliability of any living source, the editor confirmed that this is policy.
Can you confirm that too? Is "scaring an editor away" from challenging a source because the source is a living person acceptable and part of policy? LjL ( talk) 15:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
he's said the cubs would be killed by Jericho, then said Jericho was Cecil's brother, then said Jericho was killed too. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 16:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
In addition, he stated that Jericho was Cecil's brother and that Jericho was killed by poachers. None of those statements were correct., which reveals this to be a case of Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material. The examples given there are directly comparable. Samsara 16:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
"Please focus on the talk page though, as I'm definitely not going to defend the actual addition of some unsourced material about the "incorrectness" of the source within the article itself". So given no one here is defending that material that was added to the article, who are you even arguing against? Maybe you had a lapse in following what was going on.
“Cecil’s death is a tragedy, not only because he was a symbol of Zimbabwe but because now we have to give up for dead his six cubs, as a new male won’t allow them to live so as to encourage Cecil’s three females to mate,” Johnny Rodrigues, head of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, said. “The two people who accompanied the hunter have been arrested but we haven’t yet tracked down the hunter, who is Spanish.”does not put him in a favorable light. We now know there are many errors in that statement but it's not for us to to pick and choose. Therefore, other sources that have corrected the errors are more reliable and are used to source facts about the hunter, Jericho, the cubs, the pride, etc, etc. What method would we use to pick and choose Rodriques statements that were all issued as breaking news with variable degrees of veracity? He's not being maliciously wrong and there is no malice in his errors, he's just not reliable. -- DHeyward ( talk) 19:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Does a Dale Carnegie "Training Center" source meet the criteria of a reliable source i.e. either (1) academic, (2) journalistic or (3) experts in their field. Dale Carnegie Training "serves the business community worldwide" and according to their website "The franchisees around the world use their training and consulting services with companies of all sizes in all business segments". They are not experts in defining generational boundaries.
They have a "clients" page which suggests they're not academic or journalistic nor experts in this particular area. See
http://www.dalecarnegie.com/about-us/clients/
There are experts such as Strauss and Howe who have written over 10 books on the subject, including a New York Times bestseller. We can't include anybody who decides to write a white paper on generations. This source doesn't meet the criteria and they are in business to make money on consulting. It's not a University it is by their own words a business "franchise".
The source is self-published and doesn't qualify. Here's the policy on
self-published sources. The policy states self-published sources must be "expert(s) whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications".
See the discussion at
/info/en/?search=Talk:Millennials— Preceding
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Cleaned up version (of the above as of 1:26pm 11/12/15) that does not change the interpretation:
Does a Dale Carnegie "Training Center" source on the Millennials page meet the criteria of a reliable source i.e. either being (1) academic, (2) journalistic or (3) experts in their field? The source is self-published. Dale Carnegie Training "serves the business community worldwide". According to their website "the franchisees around the world use their training and consulting services with companies of all sizes in all business segments". They have a "clients" page which suggests they're not academic or journalistic nor experts in this particular area. See http://www.dalecarnegie.com/about-us/clients/ It's not a University. They're in business to make money on consulting. They're not experts in defining generational boundaries. Cant find any reliable third party who has published the work either.
The policy states self-published sources must be "expert(s) whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications". self-published sources
See the discussion at /info/en/?search=Talk:Millennials— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:610a:9000:8547:5b6e:711:e5e2 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 12 November 2015
"Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications", so self-published sources can be used under some conditions. Do these conditions apply here? Well, Dale Carnegie Training was certainly published by reputable third parties before, see for instance this book published by Simon & Schuster (but Google Books suggests there are many more). So I don't see a problem here. LjL ( talk) 00:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
I would like to get other opinions from more experienced editors. When did consensus start trumping the clearly written rules for reliable sources? What's the point of the rule if a small group of editors can override anything with their "consensus". 2606:6000:610A:9000:4B:3F3C:E92B:5B77 ( talk) 18:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
This is a comment as much as a anything, but I invited responses. Although newspapers are generally reliable for news, and sometimes contain articles written by subject experts, they also contain a lot of "background" material appearing as article filler which is not at all reliable. One thing that people don't want to believe, but is true nevertheless, is that journalists often use Wikipedia for background without citing it. Even the best newspapers in the world do it, as the following example from The Guardian shows. In red is a text from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as it was before today] and in blue is text from this article in the Guardian yesterday.
Incidentally, the newspaper copied one of our errors (the Protocols don't identify themselves as the minutes of a meeting, that was done by its publishers) and added one error by not reading Wikipedia carefully enough (there aren't chunks of text copied, but there is a lot of close paraphrase). Zero talk 11:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Recently multiply removed from Toilet-related injuries and deaths:
Is this use of Guralnick and/or Nicopolous proper? (I ask here rather than on the article's talk page because there have recently been similar removals and replacements elsewhere.)
Pinging @ Excelse, Onefortyone, and 182.77.82.62:. -- Hoary ( talk) 07:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Mainstream biographers are of the opinion that "Elvis died on the toilet". See Greil Marcus, Dead Elvis: A Chronicle of a Cultural Obsession (Harvard University Press 1991), p.154. If you have a problem with the fact that Elvis had a heart attack while straining at stool (a phenomenon called the Valsalva maneuver) and, after suddenly having risen from his wallhung ceramic toilet, stumbled or crawled several feet before he died, his pyjamas still being around his ankles (as is common when using the toilet), what about this version:
This wording, including direct quotes from some reliable sources, should cover the opinion of most medical examiners. Interestingly, the people around Elvis tried to hide the real cause of his death. Here is a statement by Billy Smith, Elvis' first cousin, cited in Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995): "we never really wanted to say this, but Elvis was actually sitting on the toilet, with his pajama bottoms down. His colon was bothering him. And he fell over, and, best I understand, he crawled several feet. So this was not an instantaneous death. Or a painless one. They know that from all these little hemorrhages he had from the waist up, where the blood vessels had burst after he fell. That goes along with a drug death." (p.719) Onefortyone ( talk) 15:53, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Query: did user Excelse present irrefutable arguments for his massive removals of content? No, he didn't. Where are his reliable sources contradicting my edits? I have cited many independent sources supporting my view. And this is what counts on Wikipedia, not the personal opinions of some Elvis fans who don't like the circumstances of Elvis's death. Furthermore, it should be noted that it was another user who added some additional details to the article on 'Toilet-related injuries and deaths', quoting Elvis's personal physician, as the history of the article shows. See [16] and [17] These passages were also deleted by Excelse. Onefortyone ( talk) 16:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
At the Kevin Folta article, content was added that misrepresented the Union of Concerned Scientists as having made a statement against the FOIA requests against Kevin Folta, implying this source which doesn't mention Folta or these specific FOIA requests at all. When i questioned this misrepresentation of the UCS source, an editor introduced an Wired article that claims that a blog post by a UCS member is a UCS organizational position statement. The Wired article says:
The Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit science advocacy group, decried the FOIA requests in one of the first comments made on the issue by an independent organization. “These requests to the genetic engineering researchers, just like other overly broad open records requests that seek excessive access to scientists’ inboxes, are inappropriate,” reads a February 20 statement.
(In the above quote in the original, "February 20 statement" links to this blog post.)
In general, i respect Wired magazine as a reliable source, but here, in this one point, it's clearly mistaken in representing this blog entry as a UCS "comment" which implies an approved organization position statement.
So, the question at hand is this: Wired is generally a reliable source, but does this mean that Wikipedia editors can force content based on an obvious misrepresentation in a Wired article into Wikivoice on a controversial article, and then demand that other editors provide another reliable source to contradict this mistake, in order to remove it? That is where the dialogue on the talk page went. I pointed out this distortion of reality in the article, and the response by other editors was to demand that i provide a reliable source saying that this blog post is actually not an organizational UCS position statement. Is that good Wikipedia editing practice, or is it onerous? Is there a guideline that speaks to this?
The full discussion on the Kevin Folta article's talk page is here.
My reason for posting here is to ask about guidelines and policy in how we treat generally reliable sources in which there are apparently an error. Are we as editors obliged to find opposing reliable sources to point out the error, in order to prevent another editor from including the error if they insist on it? Or can we simply not use the claim that's disputed?
Thanks for any comment. SageRad ( talk) 15:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
The Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit science advocacy organization, decried the FOIA requests in a February 2015 statement, saying it would create "chilling effects on researchers and confuse the public about the state of the science."
← Even by the standards of incessant squabbling that prevail on GMO articles, this seems like a silly dispute. The fix is as simple as adding two or three words to the text: "An analyst from the Union of Concerned Scientists, a non-profit science advocacy organization, decried the FOIA request..." Come on. MastCell Talk 19:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Regarding weight given to Folta's association with Monsanto, know that this wouldn't be a BLP, there would be no reason for this scientist to have a WP page, were it not for the controversy he finds himself in. Here is the WP page as it first appeared, just prior to Folta editing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kevin_Folta&oldid=679773826 Other BLPs, for instance Joseph Mercola and G. Edward Griffin, that have wide approval in the community, do not shirk from displaying controversies front and center. I am afraid Folta is getting special treatment and that editors pushing for NPOV and a factual article are being denigrated unfairly. petrarchan47 คุ ก 09:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Is World Nomads - https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/jordan/Crime-and-Terrorism-Jordan a reliable source for the statement 'As a result of the increased police and military presence to combat terrorism Jordan is one of the safest countries in the Middle East.", in 2005 Amman bombings? It seems to be a commercial travel insurance vendor, which hosts travel-related blogs , but I am interested to learn if it meets our reliability guidelines. Bad Dryer ( talk) 22:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
www.throng.co.nz is an astroturfing website (see http://www.throng.co.nz/about/). It's currently widely used as a source in New Zealand television articles, particularly soap opera and reality tv related ones. Particularly problematic, appear to be the cut-and-paste sharing of Nielsen ratings, which I strongly suspect to be a copyright infringement of this proprietary info. Am I correct in thinking that this site should not be used at all? If so I'm planning on removing most of them. A sister site has previously been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_9#http:.2F.2Fwww.throng.com.au.2F. Stuartyeates ( talk) 22:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Is World Nomads - https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/jordan/Crime-and-Terrorism-Jordan a reliable source for the statement 'As a result of the increased police and military presence to combat terrorism Jordan is one of the safest countries in the Middle East.", in 2005 Amman bombings? It seems to be a commercial travel insurance vendor, which hosts travel-related blogs , but I am interested to learn if it meets our reliability guidelines. Bad Dryer ( talk) 22:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
www.throng.co.nz is an astroturfing website (see http://www.throng.co.nz/about/). It's currently widely used as a source in New Zealand television articles, particularly soap opera and reality tv related ones. Particularly problematic, appear to be the cut-and-paste sharing of Nielsen ratings, which I strongly suspect to be a copyright infringement of this proprietary info. Am I correct in thinking that this site should not be used at all? If so I'm planning on removing most of them. A sister site has previously been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_9#http:.2F.2Fwww.throng.com.au.2F. Stuartyeates ( talk) 22:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I need some help here. I'm in a discussion at Draft_talk:The_Crown_of_Ptolemy. The article is at AfC and while I do think that the work is overall notable, there's some question over whether or not we should use self-published sources (blogs, etc) to back up claims of popularity. My problem with using these is that while the SPS aren't being used to show notability, they still have issues with verification. They're opinions, but we can't use them because we can't verify them like we could a post in a newspaper or other trusted source. (My point was that anyone could write a blog, meaning that someone could be writing it simply to promote the material, have taken the material from elsewhere, or other issues common to SPS.)
There was also questions over whether or not to use an author's blog post about the book. My opinion on that was that if the author is notable, we have more wiggle room about that since a review/article from a notable person's blog could hold more weight. It might not be notability giving, but it could potentially be seen as reliable enough to use. I was going to see if I could find enough sourcing to justify an article for the author, but I haven't had the chance to do that.
Also in question is whether or not the site Geek Insider is usable as a RS. The site's contact page does mention an editorial staff, but gives no information about the staff or the editorial process - it just says that they have one. I tried searching to see if there's any coverage or mentions of the site elsewhere, but I don't really see anything out there, which doesn't really help establish that it's a RS per Wikipedia's guidelines.
Finally, bestseller lists are also questioned. These were recently added as a notability giving RS to WP:NBOOK, but merchant bestseller lists were specifically excluded because they're frequently dynamic (meaning that there's no set list date like there is for the NYT) and can be swayed easily. Because they're so hard to actually verify and keep up with, they were specifically excluded from the criteria as a reliable or notability giving source. The only one that might be potentially usable is this one from iTunes, but even then that's sort of iffy. Another thing that was brought up (although this might be more appropriate for the NBOOK talk page) is the question of whether or not a NYT bestseller list for the entire series could be used to show notability and popularity for the specific work. My thought on this is that while a series' overall notability arguably should give an individual work at least a tiny bit of notability, this is not currently part of the guidelines and as such cannot be used to actually verify notability for an individual piece of the series.
There's other stuff up for debate on the page and I'd prefer that a more full discussion take part on the talk page itself, but I wanted to get something started here as well. Again, I'm not arguing that the book is non-notable (I personally think that it is), just that the sourcing that was in the article (which I'd removed) wasn't usable/reliable as far as Wikipedia is concerned. I just don't like the idea of using SPS and other potentially unreliable sources on an article because people do model articles after pre-existing articles, so it'd be easy for someone to argue that a source is usable and could give notability because they've seen it on another page. Plus this also opens the floodgates for people to add their SPS to articles, claiming that if X blog is used, why can't they add their's (or someone else's). It's not a science article, but we still need to be able to have verifiable sources like we would on a science article. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Louis E. Johnson
Reference: http://www.discogs.com/artist/321966-Louis-Johnson
Please comment at Talk:Muslim_history_in_Palestine#Israeli_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_is_not_reliable_source.3F. Debresser ( talk) 11:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Is there a reason editors posted here? I mean, the first post clearly asked to comment at Talk:Muslim_history_in_Palestine#Israeli_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_is_not_reliable_source.3F! Debresser ( talk) 12:25, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I would like to know if An Phoblacht ("AN") or its American cousin, The Irish People, are considered reliable reflinks, as certain editors, @Gob Lofa at the moment comes to mind, continue to use or maintain such links. "AN" is an Irish republican propaganda mill, edited by the IRA Army Council. I will add more as it becomes available. Quis separabit? 16:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Quis separabit? 21:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
References
The relationship between Sinn Fein and the IRA, historically, has been symbiotic. It is impossible to separate them. In more recent years, Sinn Fein has said, "We are not the IRA, they are a totally separate organization." In the minds of the vast majority of people in Ireland, whether they are Unionist or Nationalist, Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA, and it has played that role quite hotly down the years.
I don't understand the purpose of the above bulleted points, which seem to be about Sinn Fein and the IRA, not An Poblacht or The Irish People. Both magazines are clearly reliable sources, in the sense that they have a clear editorial structure, carry serious journalism and are accountable for their news articles. All news sources have a bias and that does not make them "unreliable" per se. Sionk ( talk) 18:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
What I am saying above is that the two newspapers represent a world view (Irish republicanism) which is one amongst many (and a popular one in many parts of Ireland). Simply because you may disagree with Irish republicanism (I'm guessing that you - AusLondonder and Quis separabit? - clearly do) doesn't make the view unreliable, or irrelevant. Of course their views have to be taken in context with other views from other commentators and publications. When I say the publications are reliable, I'm saying they have editorial oversight, employ journalists and are fully accountable for their views/articles - as the overview of WP:RS says "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians".
If you really want to debate the links between Sinn Fein and the IRA I'm sure there are many better, more suitable forums for this. Sionk ( talk) 19:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Neither of you have answered Sionk's questions. Gob Lofa ( talk) 23:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Not quite sure whether this is going anywhere now. It seems to be drifting off the main topic (which was never really addressed in the first place). If the original question was generated by a disagreement about the content of a specific article, then maybe there is a better forum than this one where specifics can be addressed. If anyone disagrees with Irish republicanism, it doesn't mean they have a right to silence it. That would simply be denying a sizeable minority of the population of Ireland a voice. Sionk ( talk) 21:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
An editor made an addition Dan Johnson (musician):
I don't mind the use of Facebook as a source here, although I know many others would. The problem is that the three sources are images and do not mention the subject, except one in a user-added comment that is unclear.
Are these reliable? Do I need to be improved? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 04:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
RFC started here on two questions, one of which is asking about a source. Me-123567-Me ( talk) 18:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
The article GNU Compiler Collection is using the Linux Information Project for the extraordinary claim that
It [GCC] has been ported to more kinds of processors and operating systems than any other compiler
Is this a reliable source? The Project promises in its Colophon that it employs "highly experienced writers and editors" but its articles are all anonymous and typically cite no sources.
The source has been marked with {{verify credibility}} since April 2013. Linfo.org is used as a source on various other pages. QVVERTYVS ( hm?) 14:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Judging from this "native" page the number 60 is a gross underestimate. In addition, the number depends on how you count. I can easily count ~240, under some liberal detalization. Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:28, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
So basically would I agree with the statement, just attribute its authorship. Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:34, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Omar Regan appears in Claws For Alarm, an independent film that is non-notable. The only evidence for this is the video itself.
Does this constitute reliable evidence that the actor appeared in said movie to allow for said movie to appear on their filmography?
Thanks :) -- Imagine Wizard ( talk · contribs · count) Iay amay Magineiay Izardway. 21:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Can this page of the "Solar Power Portal" be used in the Rampisham Down article to support this statement:
On 9 July 2015 British Solar Renewables published the results of an ecological study of the site. The study, which British Solar Renewables had commissioned in February, stated that it was likely that the proposed farm would have "no impact on the grassland at the site or the surrounding environment". The study findings were backed by botanist Sir Ghillean Prance, who stated his confidence that British Solar Renewables would "maintain and restore the habitat at Rampisham Down".
There is a brief discussion here which highlights some concerns, though it is perhaps worth pointing out that the recent history of the article has seemed to involve opposing factions. Thanks. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 21:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Israel_Meir_Kagan#NYT_obituary. Please notice that you are kindly asked to comment there, not here. I specify this, since the simple request to comment somewhere else has been misunderstood by some in the past as meaning they should comment here (yes, I was also taken aback by how people could be that careless), which led to discussion being held in distinct locations, with parties not being aware of each other. Debresser ( talk) 21:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I was attempting to check for out of date URLs and found an unlinked reference, but cannot seem to confirm its existence. The reference reads: "Preacher has links to molest suspects." The San Diego Union San Diego, Calif.: May 17, 1993. p. A.7
It can be found supporting The San Diego Union-Tribune noted "the news report found seven U.S. churches - all with ties to Jack Hyles, it said - involved in sex scandals." in the article Preying from the Pulpit.
Three articles ( Jack Hyles, First Baptist Church (Hammond, Indiana), and Hyles–Anderson College) contain an identical claim attributed to to the source and two others: [the Preying from the Pulpit news series] examined fresh claims of sex abuse in five different fundamentalist churches where church workers who molested children were traced back to Hyles-Anderson College.
There are a few things that trigger my skeptical circuitry. I find the wording of the title to be odd. The San Diego Union had merged with the Tribune prior to 1993 to form The San Diego Union-Tribune and quote is attributed to "The San Diego Union-Tribune". There appears to be some copy-paste in which content may not have been checked. I searched for the article, unsuccessfully, and that is sufficient to raise the concern that there is at least one significant error in the citation if it exists. I ran a search that was more than superficial, but which I do not consider exhaustive. While there is a reasonable chance that I'm the source of my own difficulties, I figure that this is important enough to warrant another opinion. I also realize that there may bigger issues which make one source into a minor detail, but this is the one I've been attacking futilely and sometimes cleaning up small details clarifies the bigger issues. If confirming the source is not an RSN issue, can you refer me to the appropriate forum? Thank you. BiologicalMe ( talk) 21:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I was watching a show that is based in Ireland. My knowledge of the Island is pretty slim so I clicked through several articles until I happened upon this one. One thing I noticed immediately is that this article stated that there was "strong support" for a United Ireland within the United States, and used this article as a source. This is a sneaky claim, as State legislatures only speak for their state. There is a stink of POV pushing all over this article, and a derailed review to verity the claims in the article match the sources is needed. Which Hazel? ( talk) 08:13, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Just would like clarification if
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Is Michael Sells, 'HOLOCAUST ABUSE:The Case of Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husayni,' Journal of Religious Ethics, 2015 Vol 43, No. 4, pp 723–759 a reliable source for Amin al-Husseini's role in WW2 and the historiography on him.
Sells has the John Henry Barrows Professor of Islamic History and Literature in the University of Chicago Divinity School. His curriculum is here He was awarded the 1997 American Academy of Religion Annual Book Prize for Excellence in Historical Studies, for one of his historical works, The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia, University of California Press, 1996.
Notwithstanding all this, some editors deny he qualifies as WP:RS. See here on the talk page.
I find the objections unbelievable given this scholar's background and qualifications, and the fact that the paper in question not only covers the relevant scholarly literature in several languages, but harvests his research on primary sources in the Central Zionist Archives in Jerusalem, and several other archives. Could experts in RS with no horse in this race assess the merits of this scepticism? Thank you Nishidani ( talk) 20:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
. Many sources are reliable for statement "X," but unreliable for statement "Y".text
The question is whether he's reliable for historical facts outside his area of expertise (which is Islamic Literature) and the area of study of the journal this was published in (Journal of Religious Ethics). For example, al-Husseini's role in the Holocaust, who supplied the information about him and and what he allegedly did, and other general stuff like that. All this unattributed and stated as fact in the encyclopedi'a neutral voice. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 21:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Not sure experts in RS are required. Any old fool could tell this is a reliable source. Brustopher ( talk) 22:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Please note this source is now being used in various BLPs, such as here and here. Is this guy now also an expert on current events, or are we extending his Islamic Literature expertise only to the Holocaust? No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 00:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
If a qualified academic historian publishes a history article in a peer-reviewed academic journal, it is a reliable source. Everything else is basically irrelevant. Once we start deleting peer-reviewed professional literature because we don't like what it contains, the outlook for the encyclopaedia is very bleak. Incidentally, a summary version of Sell's article also appeared in the rather-right-wing Jewish magazine The Tablet; that is also a citable source but with the journal version at hand we don't need it. Zero talk 00:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Michael Sells is the John Henry Barrows Professor of Islamic History and Literature at the University of Chicago's divinity school. His about page at the university says: "His work on religion and violence includes: The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia; The New Crusades: Constructing the Muslim Enemy, which he coedited and to which he contributed; "'Armageddon' in Christian, Sunni, and Shia traditions," Oxford Handbook of Religion and Violence (2012): 467-495; and "Finhas of Medina: Islam, 'the Jews', and the Construction of Militancy," in Fighting Words: Religion, Violence, and the Interpretation of Sacred Texts, ed. John Renard, (University of California Press, 2012): 101-134." He is about as eminent a scholar of the history of religion and violence as one can find. Husseini, the subject of the Wikipedia article in question, was a prominent and important religious figure in Jerusalem. He published a peer reviewed article about Husseini's connection to the Holocaust (an act of violence if ever there was one) that is being objected to. Sells' CV speaks for itself. Any objection to his reliability as a historian, commenting on Husseini, is beyond insane. Trying to disqualify his use as a source on a website that cobbles together endless second-rate news articles and partisan sources in its articles, should be grounds for an immediate topic ban. That it won't be, and that this type of gamesmanship is tolerated, is why serious people don't contribute here. Dan Murphy ( talk) 22:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
He is an historian with a published and much cited record for studies and a book, on ethnic conflict and religious violence, and that is sufficient.</blockquote
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Mystical Languages of Unsaying (Univ. of Chicago Press, 1994) • 1994 Emily Judson Baugh and John Marshall Gest Professorship in Comparative Religions, Haverford College • 1993 NEH (National Endowment of the Humanities) Fellowship: Studies in the Classical Arabic Qasida • 1992 Lifetime Honorary Fellow
• 1990 Nominated for the Lewis Galatière Prize from the American Literary Translators Associati on (for Desert Tracings) • 1990 Nominated for the Harold Morton Landon Translation Award from the American Academy of Poets (for Desert Tracings) • 1987 Emily Judson Baugh Gest and John Marshall Gest Lectureship in Comparative Religions. • 1985 Arabic League Translation Award , Translation Center, Columbia University. • 1985 NEH Summer Grant, Arabic Ode Translation Project. • 1982 – 1984 Andrew W. Mellon Fellowship , Stanford University. • 1982 Honors (the highest designation), PhD Dissertation Defense, University of Chicago • 1982 Arabic Translation Prize , American Association of Teachers of Arabic (AATA). • 1981 Arabic Translation Prize , American Association of Teachers of Arabic. • 1981 – 1982 Whiting Fellowship , The University of Chicago. • 1979 – 80/1978 – 79 NDEA Title V I Fellowship, Arabic. • 1977 – 1978 CASA Fellowship (Center for Arabic Studies Abroad). • 1977 Honors (the highest designation) MA exams, University of Chicago. • 1971 Magna cum Laude, B.A. degree, Gonzaga University. M ichael Sells CV 3 PUBLICATIONS, BOOKS Qur ʾ ānic Studies Today . Co - edited with Angelika Neuwirth. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge, in pre ss, scheduled for February 2016 . Stations of Desire: Love Odes of Ibn `Arabi and New Poems. Original poems by Michael Sells and translations of love qasidas from Ibn `Ar abi's Interpreter of Desires (Turjuman al - Ashwaq) . Jerusalem: Ibis Press, 2000. Fourth Printing, 2003. The New Crusades: Constructing the Muslim Enemy . Co - edited with Emran Qureshi. New York: Columbia University Press, 2003. Introduction by Michael Sells a nd Emran Qureshi. Essays by Fatema Mernissi, Edward Said, Roy Mottahedeh, John Trumpbour, Rob Nixon, Mujeeb Khan, Maria Rosa Menocal, Neil MacMaster, Norman Cigar, and Michael Sells. A Choice "Academic Book of the Year" for 2004. Approaching the Qur'an: Th e Early Revelations. White Cloud Press, 1999. Renderings of the hymnic suras, with an introduction, a facing commentary on each Sura, essays on sound and meaning in Qur'anic language, sound charts for use with Qur'anic recitation, and an annotated glossary and a CD with examples of Qur'anic recitation. Seventh, Printing 2003. Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations , Second Edition, with a new chapter on Surat al - Rahman , including a full translation of the sura , and a preface covering the 2002 UNC - Qu r’an controversy (Ashland, OR: White Cloud Press, 2006). Cambridge History of Arabic Literature, Al - Andalus. Co - edited with Maria Rosa Menocal and Raymond Scheindlin, and contributor. The volume includes 24 essays. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 20 00. The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia. University of California Press, 1996. An examination of the use of religious mythology to motivate and justify genocide against Bosnian Muslims from 1992 - 1995. 1997 American Academy Religion Award f or Excellence in Historical Studies. Second Edition with a Preface on Kosovo and BiH. University of California Press, 1998. Bosnian edition: Iznevjereni most: religia i genocid u Bosni , translated by Zoran Mutic,(Sarajevo: Sedam, 2002). Early Islamic Mysti cism. Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality Series, 1996. Introductions and translations of the Qur'an, Mi`raj Accounts, Arabic Poetry, Tustari, Ja`far as - Sadiq, Muhasibi, Junayd, Hallaj, Rabi`a, Bistami, Sarraj, Qushayri, and Niffari, with an Int roduction to Islamic mysticism. 3rd Printing 2003. Mystical Languages of Unsaying. University of Chicago Press, 1994. A philosophical and literary study of apophatic language in Plotinus, Eriugena, Ibn `Arabi, Eckhart, and Marguerite Porete. With original translations from the Greek, Arabic, Latin, medieval French, and medieval German. 1995 American Academy of Religion First Book Prize (honorable mention). Desert Tracings: Six Classic Arabian Odes. Wesleyan University Press, 1989. Second Printing, 1996. Ori ginal Translations, and Critical Commentary on early Arabic odes by `Alqama, Shanfara, Labid, `Antara, Al - A`sha and Dhu al - Rumma, with a General M ichael Sells CV 5 • “Day Falls Night” a translation of poem #39 from Ibn al - `Arab ī ’s Turjum ā n al - Ashwāq , OccasionalReligion. c om, 2 9 November 2011 Journal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Society 51 (2012) i - ii . • “Flight Four,” poem, Occasion al Religion. c om, 1 September 2011 . • “For You Alone,” a translation of a Persian ghazal by Hafez of Shi raz, OccasionalReligion. c om, 27 July 2011 . • “Dead on the Trail in Dhát al - Áda , ” a translation of an Arabic nasīb from Ibn al - `Arabi’s Turjuman al - Ashwāq , OccasionalReligion. c om, 9 June 2011. A revised version of “Dead on the Trail in Dhát al - Áda , ” J ournal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Societ y 50 (2011): v - vi. • “You the Dawn and I,” a translation of a Persian ghazal by Hafez of Shiraz, OccasionalReligion. c om, 22 April 2011, under the title “Ghazel.” • “Mark Twain’s Palestine ,” freq.uenci.es: a collaborative genea logy of spirituality , 3 November 2011 , http://freq.uenci.es/2011/11/03/mark - twains - palestine . • “Forward,” in Prophecy in Islam by Fazlur Rahman (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2011), vii - xviii. 2006 - 200 8 • “Tigris Song,” and “Baghdad Song,” Poetry 1 92.1 (April 2008): 26 - 29. [translations from the Arabic of two poems by Ibn al - `Arabi from the Turjuman al - Ashwaq , along with a translator’s note] • “Return to the Flash Rock Plain of Thahmad: Two Nasibs by Ibn al - Arabi,” Journal of Arabic Literature 39 (20 08): 3 - 13. • “Iraq and Yemen Intertwined: Poem #20 from Ibn al - Arabi’s Turjuman al - Ashwaq (interpreter/translator/biographer of longings) ” in Studies in Arabic and Hebrew Letters in Honor of Raymond P . Scheindlin , eds. Jonathan P. Decter and Michael Rand (Pi scataway, NJ: Gorgias Press, 2007) , 175 - 180. • “War as Worship, Worship as War,” Religion and Culture Forum , December 2006, online publication, http://divinity.uchicago.edu/martycenter/publications/webforum/122006/com mentary.shtml. • “ Pilgrimage and ‘ E thnic Cl eansing ’ in Herzegovina, ” in Religion and N ationalism in Iraq , eds. David Little and Donald Swearer ( Harvard University Press, 2006) , 147 - 158 . • Approaching the Qur’an: The Early Revelations (White Cloud Press, 2006), New Edition, w ith preface on the 2002 UNC - Qur’an con troversy and a new chapter with a commentary on and full translation of Sura 55. 2003 • “ Crosses of Blood: Sacred Space, Religion, and Violence in Bosnia - Hercegovina, ” The A nnual Paul Hanly Furfey Lecture, Association for the Sociology of Religion, Sociolo gy of Religion 64:3 (2003): 309 - 331. • “ Sacral Ruins in Bosnia - Herzegovina, Mapping Ethnoreligious Nationalism, ” in Religion and the Creation of Race and Ethnicity , ed. Craig R. Prentiss (New York: New York University Press, 2003) , 211 - 233. • The New Crusade s: Constructing the Muslim Enemy , co - edited with Emran Qureshi (New York: Columbia University Press, 2003). M ichael Sells CV 6 • “ Christ - Killer, Kremlin, Contagion, ” in The New Crusades: Constructing the Muslim Enemy , eds. Emran Qureshi and Michael Sells (New York: Columbia U niversity Press, 2003), 352 - 389. • "Introduction: The Clash of Civilizations and Constructing the Muslim Enemy," co - authored with Emran Qureshi , in The New Crusades
Muslim Enemy , eds. Emran Qureshi and Michael Sells (New York: Columbia Univ ersity Press, 2003) , 1 - 47. • “ Ibn al - `Arabi and the Clash of Civilizations, ” Rabat, Morocco, 2003 (in press). 2002 • Iznevjereni most , translated by Zoran Mutic (Sarajevo: Sedam, 2002), translation of The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia . • “ The Infinity of Desire: Love, Mystical Union, and Ethics in Sufism, ” in Crossing Boundaries: Essays on the Ethical Status of Mysticism , eds. William Barnard and Jeffrey Kripal (New York: Seven Bridges, 2002): 184 - 229. • “ Islam in Serbian Religious Mythology and Its Consequences, ” in Islam and Bosnia , ed. Maya Shatzmiller (Montreal: McGill - Queen's University Press, 2002) , 56 - 85. • “ Irremediable Ecstasy, Modes of the Lyric in Etel Adnan's The Spring Flowers Own & Manifestations of the Voyage , ” in Etel Adnan: Cr itical Essays on the Arab - American Writer and Artist , ed s. Lisa Suhayr Majaj and Amal Amireh (Jefferson, NC
- 66. • “ The Wedding of Zein: Islam through the Modern Novel, ” in Teaching Islam , ed. Brannon Wheeler (New York: Oxford University Press, 2002) , 145 - 167. • “ Ibn `Arabi and the Clash of Civilizations, ” Journal of the University of Riyadh Muhammad V , forthcoming. 2001 • “ Serbian Religious Mythology and the Genocide in Bosnia ” in In God's Name: Genocide and Religion in th e 20th Century , ed s. Omer Bartov and Phyllis Mack (Berghahn Books, 2001), 180 - 205. • “The ‘ Work ’ of Love: Marguerite Porete, Nizam, and Ibn `Arabi ” ( Tres seguidores de la religion de l'amor: Nizam, Ibn `Arabi, y Marguerite Porete ), translated into Spanish by Ana Iribas Rubin , in Mujeres de Luz: Proceedings of the Congreso Internacional Sobre Mistica Femenina , Avila 29 - 31 Octubre, 1999 , ed. Pablo Beneito (Avila: Centro Internacional de Estudios Misticos, 2001) , 137 - 157. • “Preface” in `Umar Ibn al - Farid: Sufi Verse, Saintly Lif e , ed. and trans. Emil Homerin (New York: Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality, 2001), xi - svii. • “ Preface, ” in Anatomy of Genocid e by Alexandre Kimenyi and Otis Scott (Edwin Mellen, 2001). • “ Sound, Spirit, and Gender in Surat al - Qadr, ” anthologized in The Qur'an: Style and Contents , ed. Andrew Rippin (Aldershot UK Ashgate/Variorum , 2001) , 332 - 353. 2000 M ichael Sells CV 7 • "Meister Eckhart and Ibn `Arabi on the Mysticism of Perpetual Transformation," Eckhart Review 8 (Spring 2000): 3 - 18. • "A Literar y Approach to the Hymnic Suras of the Qur'an: Spirit, Gender, and Aural Intertextuality" in Literary Structures of Religi ous Meaning in the Qur'an , ed. Issa J. Boullata (L ondon: Curzon Press, 2000), 3 - 25. • "Vuk's Knife: Kosovo, the Serbian Golgotha, and the Radicalization of Serbian Society," in Kosovo: Contending Voices on Balkan Interventions , ed. William J. Buckley (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), 133 - 141. • The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature, Al - Andalus . C o - e ditor, with Maria Rosa Menocal a nd Raymond Scheindlin, and contributor. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000). • "To al - Andalus Would She Return the Greeting: Ibn Zaydun's Nuniyya (Poem in N), Complete Translation," in The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature: The Literature of Al - Andalus, ed s . Maria Rosa Menocal, Raymond P . Scheindlin, and Michael Sells (Cambridge: Cambrid ge University Press, 2000), 489 - 496. • "Love," an essay on love poetry in Islamic Andalus, in The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature: The Literature of Al - Andalus, ed s . Maria Rosa Menocal, Raymond P. 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Hirtenstein (Ox ford: Elem ent Books, 1993), 124 - 39. • "From a History of Mysticism to a Theology of Mysticism," Review Articl e on B. McGinn's The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism, vol. 1, Journal of Religion 73.3 (July 1993): 390 - 399. 1991 • "Sound, Spirit, and Gender in Surat al - Qadr, " Journal of the American Oriental Society 111.2 (April - May 1991): 23 9 - 259. Anthologized in The Qur'an: Style and Contents , ed. A. Rippin (Varioum: Aldershot UK, 2001): 332 - 353. • "Ibn 'Arabi's Ala Ya Hamamati l - Arakati wa l - Bani [Gentle Now, Doves]," Journal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Society X (1991): 1 - 11. 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) Dan Murphy ( talk) 17:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
On a closely related topic, Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world, a claim was made sourced to a book published by Cambridge University Press, and written by an actual historian of the Holocaust, who currently holds the Hillel A. Feinberg Chair in Holocaust Studies at the University of Texas, Dallas. The material was removed today with an edit summary that says "Patterson's book is popular junk." [22]. The editor who did this is, surprise surprise, someone who has commented above (not 3 days ago) that "If a qualified academic historian publishes a history article in a peer-reviewed academic journal, it is a reliable source. ". I invite comments on the double standards being employed. Bad Dryer ( talk) 22:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Patterson’s misguided contribution to the debate, founded on an utterly absent methodology and frequently lapsing into mendacious and polemical tactics, all the more dangerous an intervention. . . bedevilled by the persistency of poor interpretive method.
Patterson's work . . will be subject to strong criticism from those whose expertise is Nazi-Muslim relations.
Comments are requested at Talk:Super Nintendo Entertainment System#FAR? as to whether documents uploaded to romhacking.net by the main author of the article constitute reliable sources. Thank you. DrKay ( talk) 22:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Is the Russian publication MediaVision magazine a reliable source? An article from the magazine can be found here: http://mediavision-mag.ru/uploads/06%202011/65-67%2006_2011.pdf This article states that Robinzon Kruzo (1947) being filmed in color is just a myth. Ebaillargeon82 ( talk) 22:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Sources in question
[2] Hornberger, Jacob (April 1995). "Repatriation — The Dark Side of World War II". The Future of Freedom Foundation. Archived from the original on August 11, 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20070811230525/http://www.fff.org:80/freedom/0495a.asp
[3]Skousen, Joel. "Historical Deceptions: Operation Keelhaul". World Affairs Brief. Archived from the original on 15 February 2013. Retrieved 2014-07-04
https://web.archive.org/web/20130215214414/http://worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/Keelhaul.shtml
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The term [Operation Keelhaul] has been later applied – specifically after the publication of Julius Epstein's eponymous book – to other Allied acts of often forced repatriation of former residents of the USSR after the ending of World War II that sealed the fate of millions[2] unwilling to return to the Soviet Union.[3]
I would like to remove these two sources as fringey - for example, the article Future of Freedom Foundation refers to the forced repatriation as "one of the worst holocausts in history" and "Allied holocaust." The word holocaust appears 7 times on this page.
Instead, I'd like to use a reference from Nikolai Tolstoy (1977). The Secret Betrayal. Charles Scribner's Sons. ISBN 0-684-15635-0., along the lines of what's used in the Victims of Yalta Wikipedia entry:
Tolstoy estimates that overall two or more millions Soviet nationals were repatriated.
-- K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to post this. An editor and I are having a disagreement on the article Ted Deutch about whether the article subject's high school should be included. I've added a half-sentence reference to the "Early life and education" section, as well as a category identifying him as Liberty High School alumni, but the editor has repeatedly reverted it ( [23] [24] [25] [26]). In the talk page, he says that it's "silly trivia of no importance" and "not important enough to include in his article", with which I obviously disagree. I'd like to gather more input to determine a WP:CONSENSUS as to whether this information should be included, so any feedback at Talk:Ted Deutch#Inclusion of high school would be appreciated. I was hoping to keep the conversation there, not here on this noticeboard, so it's all in one place. Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 15:41, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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http://www.stats-sh.gov.cn/tjnj/nj14.htm?d1=2014tjnj/C1104.htm is being used to source the statement that there are 14,479 "high rise" buildings (defined as 12 or more stories) in Shanghai in List of cities with the most high-rise buildings. This would make that city first in the world in number of high-rise buildings. Mirandajovi posted to the article talk page, and at the Teahouse, expressing disbelief of this figure.
Note that the figure 14,479 does not appear in the cited page, nor does it seem a simple sum or difference of any relevant figures that do appear.
The page seems to be in Japanese. I used google translate to get a rough idea of its contents, and it does seem to be a table of number of buildings with a given range of stories, but I can't tell what area this table covers, nor whether this is a reliable source for these statements. Any advice, particularly from editors with knowledge of Japanese Chinese, would be helpful.
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I think its only a city official claimed for Shanghai. Other cities in India, Iran, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc also claimed their cities had thousands highrise. Only Emporis completed with the name of the building and with their stories. So we can trust Emporis not just city claimed. This article based in Emporis sources which is neutral sources and in English. But somebody had edited the article and put Shanghai highrise more than 14.000 based on local sources which is not neutral sources. Its impossible Shanghai highrise : Hongkong highrise + New York highrise
http://www.emporis.com/statistics/skyline-ranking In this source Shanghai only had 1,232 building. Emporis data completed with list the name of the highrise so we can verified not just city claimed. Somebody claimed Shanghai had 14.000 higrise. But cant give the name of the building just number claimed which is cant verified. Shanghai is international city why no single foreigner report it to Emporis ?? For example in the year 2014 Emporis count the highrise in Moscow only 3000 buildings. But there is a report completed with the name of the building. So Emporis change highrise count for Moscow more than 10.000 highrise.
There is a pattern for building more than 180 metre : Hongkong had 143, New York had 100, Chicago had 50, Shanghai only had 70. For the city without height restriction there is impossible Shanghai only had 70 buildings more than 180 metre but had more than 14.000 highrise building. New York had 100 building more than 180 metre but New York only had 6.000 highrise building. Except city with height restriction such as Sao Paulo.-- Mirandajovi ( talk) 03:24, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly adding a a blog post from "Tyler Durden" of ZeroHedge to support the following statement:
As of Oct 27 2015, at least one hedge fund newsletter questioned whether the actual value of Theranos (and thus net worth for Holmes) is approaching $0."
The blog is a primary source written by a pseudonymous author "Tyler Durden" -- not suitable in accordance with WP:BLP. Secondly, it doesn't really support the assertion that the net worth for Holmes is approaching $0. The exact quote from the blog:
That's ok: she lied again, something which appears to have been a recurring pattern for this 31-year-old paper multibillionaire. Sadly for her, following these escapades, "on paper" is where her young billionaire status will remain, as we doubt anyone, either in the private market, and certainly in the public one, will bother to invest even $1 more at a valuation anywhere approaching $9 billion, or even a valuation of $0 for that matter.
Need a third opinion on whether this is an acceptable source or not. utcursch | talk 20:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
By September 2009, Zero Hedge had begun drawing more traffic than more established financial websites[5] with 333,000 unique visitors a month, impressing even those[who?] who say the news site is full of conspiracy theory and "apocalyptic world view".[4]
Matt Taibbi, in his book Griftopia, cites Zero Hedge in the last chapter as accurately assessing the level of corruption in the banking industry and credits its inside advantage. He questions why mainstream financial media did not earlier detect the corruption at Goldman Sachs.
The Economist notes that startups of this nature can wind up being valued as a "fantasy" rather than based upon present reality. [1]
The article History of the creation–evolution controversy doesn't use the Bible as a source. It uses secondary sources that discuss the Bible as a reference. If a reliable source discusses this ZeroHedge blog post, the ZeroHedge claim can be added to the article.
"The beginning of the end of" is an expression, and even that line doesn't mention anything about the net worth of Elizabeth Holmes. (Not that this matters -- even if it did, ZeroHedge still fails WP:RS).
And there is no "censorship" here. You actually removed some of the content portraying Theranos in a negative light from the article. The only issue here is the "$0 net worth" bit, which is your interpretation of a source that's not acceptable.
utcursch | talk 15:39, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they can't but I just wanted to make sure. Can Google Maps and Streetview be used as reliable sources? Simply south .... .. time, deparment skies for just 9 years 01:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
The last arch at the south end is a skew arch to accommodate the A7 public road, which runs parallel to the viaduct before cutting underneath it. [2] The viaduct is nearly straight, but with a slight curve at the northern end where it crosses the river. [2] [3] To the south of the viaduct is a caravan park. [2]
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His oldest brother Harry, who also had artistic talent, had long been coping with various mental illnesses—for a time he had been committed to Bellevue.
User:Modernist is adamant that "mental" not be mentioned, and deleted it. He claims to have personal knowledge of the family, and says the book "verges on libel" on this issue. See Talk:Al Jaffee#H Jaffee, where he is claiming that he knows personally that the book is wrong on this point.
(Previous attempts at resolution at ANI and DRN have been punted, with the suggestion that this is the proper forum.) Choor monster ( talk) 17:40, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
I want to describe a theory - the first theory published about some topic. The theory was published more than 200 years ago and it is related to the alternative location of Great Moravia. Are the studies about a historian who published this theory and his work (including a detailed description of his theory) considered to be a relevant and reliable sources? They were published by reliable and recognized historians. Ditinili ( talk) 18:04, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
In May 2014, User:Soul Crusher made a posting to this noticeboard, generally pointing out that Scaruffi's writings on music had been accepted as authoritative by several unrelated sources. That posting is here.
With this posting, I am adding information about Scaruffi's publications by third-party publishers. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Scaruffi was being published by Arcana (Milan, Italy). In 1991, it published Guida all'avanguardia e alla New Wave (Guide to Avant-Garde and New Wave). According to WorldCat.org, print copies of this book are held in the university libraries of Princeton, Pennsylavania, Columbia, Cornell, and Georgia, as well as the city libraries of Seattle and New York (plus other libraries in Italy, Germany and Switzerland). One edition of this book was coupled with a CD from Nonesuch Records.
Aracana also published a multi-volume series Grandi opere rock (the exact number of volumes is unclear, but it is at least 22). Scaruffi wrote one of these volumes -- Enciclopedia della musica New Age (1996, volume 16 of the series).
Comments on this will be welcome. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 18:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Source: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=65438816
Article: Bob Mosher ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This source was recently added to the page to source the names of Mosher's parents. However, the edits adding the source also removed any mention of Mosher being Jewish (backed up by another source of dubious reliability), presumably because the source claims the elder Mosher to be an Episcopalian. My instinct is that Find A Grave is unreliable due to its user-editable nature, but I'd like to get a few other opinions if possible. clpo13( talk) 03:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a request for comments at [ Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)#What does MEDRS cover? ].
At issue is whether the lead paragraph OF WP:MEDRS should remain...
...or whether it should be changed to...
This has the potential to change the sourcing policy from WP:RS to WP:MEDRS on a large number of Wikipedia pages, so please help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 06:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Source. Maan News [ 'Locals: Settlers prevent Palestinian farmers from olive harvest,' Ma'an News Agency 31 October 2015]. Article. [[List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, July–December 2015]. Content. : **Farmers in Burin were blocked from harvesting their olives by settlers, who reportedly also stole olives and agricultural equipment in the Bab Sanna area of Burin, [1]<
Is this source reliable for this claim? Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 19:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
See for serious questions regarding their reliability. It looks like NGO Monitor and Palestinian Media Watch have found serious cases of quoting untrue reports and for espousing hate propaganda. I suggest they are not used as reliable sole sources for Wikipedia articles.
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There is a dispute over whether to include Slash as a featured artist on this song. The single cover (not to mention the Discogs entry) indeed has Slash listed, but some users disagree. (I brought the issue here because that article's talk page doesn't see much activity.) Erpert blah, blah, blah... 00:47, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
1. Source.
Peter Dale Scott's essay
"Launching the U.S. Terror War: the CIA, 9/11, Afghanistan, and Central Asia; Bush’s Terror War and the Fixing of Intelligence".
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3. Content.
After explaining that the War on Terror should be called "Bush's Terror War", Scott writes: "This essay will demonstrate that before 9/11 a small element inside the CIA’s Bin Laden Unit and related agencies, the so-called Alec Station Group, were also busy, 'fixing' intelligence by suppressing it, in a way which, accidentally or deliberately, enabled the Terror War." He heavily cites not only himself but 9/11 conspiracy authors Anthony Summers, Kevin Fenton, John Farmer, Jr., and an article in 911Truth.org by truthers Rory O'Connor (filmmaker) and Ray Nowosielski.
Regarding the content in question, the only statement in the article that mentions Jimmy Carter, Stansfield Turner, Theodore Shackley, or Thomas Clines states: "Then senior CIA officers and ex-officers (notably Richard Helms), who were dissatisfied with the CIA cutbacks instituted under Jimmy Carter’s CIA director, Stansfield Turner, organized an alternative network, the so-called Safari Club. Subordinated to intelligence chiefs from France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and (under the Shah) Iran, the Safari Club provided a home to CIA officers like Theodore Shackley and Thomas Clines, who had been marginalized or fired by CIA Director Turner." Edwin P. Wilson is not even mentioned in the article. Thanks! - Location ( talk) 00:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi. I'm a new user here so I'm not very familiar with the rules but it seems like the the Type 99 pages has been embroiled in a back and forth and edits. Thus I seek clarification about a particular contentious source here.
Documentary This biographical documentary/interview of the Type 99's lead designer by CCTV has labelled propaganda and thus unreliable. I find it disturbing because although the documentary was filmed to achieve some kind of propaganda purpose, the source was not cited to support propaganda but to support other sources in explaining the development of the Type 99 tank.
I understand that CCTV has been in the news for continuous gaffes and being a state mouthpiece in general. But shouldn't this film be treated as a primary source first and foremost? The separation of fact and fiction would be harder than other news media but until contradictory information appears, must we not take the state media at face value? Shouldn't prefixing an "according to" or "it was claimed by" be sufficient, as seen by other claims on the page made by non-Chinese sources?
From what I can tell https://www.zeroto60times.com ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/zeroto60times.com, search results) is just another scraper site. They appear to use bots or crawlers to scrape data from any websites they can find and put it together on easily-referenced tables, which generate traffic, which is for the ads. The ads and offsite links look sketchy to me, if not malware. Their About page claims they're better than other similar sites, but I don't see how. There's nothing naming the authors of the content. They say they average data from different "credible" sources to produce a "unique" result, but they don't cite their sources, or explain what their criteria for credibility is. Anyone know of a reason we should keep citations to this site? -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 23:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
An IP address editor added a 2014 British Psychological study found here http://www.bps.org.uk/news/women-more-aggressive-partners-men to the domestic violence article, some months ago now and was recently removed with no real explanation or logic? The study conducted by the British Psychological Society examined intimate partner violence and concluded that women are more likely to be physically aggressive in domestic scenarios than men. I'm neutral on the topic, and realise this is a primary source, but it appears the British Psychological Society is a reputable organization. Can some neutral editors have a look at the source and make a neutral, objective judgement. I'd rather post the question here, than get anywhere near the chance of an edit war. Thanks ahead of time. Charlotte135 ( talk) 02:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
At Mary (mother of Jesus) I removed a statement linking the two because I thought Merlini to fail WP:RS - partially because I think that the version of "archaeomythology" he represents and the journal is fringe, but he mainly because he has no qualifications for such a statement. An IP hopper has twice replaced it. As it read now, it says:
"The continuing association of Mary and Artemis is shown in a paper by Dr. Marco Merlini <ref>http://www.archaeomythology.org/about-the-institute-of-archaeomythology/governance-of-the-institute-of-archaeomythology/marco-merlini/</ref> "A Post-Byzantine fresco of the XVI century from the most important monastery, the Great Lavra, depicts a very unusual Annunciation. Not a Christian saint or martyr but a pagan goddess, Artemis, attends at the fatal encounter between the archangel Gabriel and the Virgin Mary"<ref>The Journal of Archaeomythology Volume 7 2011 "The Pagan Artemis in the Virgin Mary Salutation at Great Lavra, Mount Athos" by Marco Merlini</ref>"
The link to the Institute of Archaeomythology, established by a student of Marija Gimbutas, seems to be there to establish Merlini's credentials. These are:
2008 Doctorate cum laude, ” Lucian Blaga” University, Sibiu, Romania.
1976Masters Degree in Political Science, University of Turin, Italy.
Degr ee of Csi (Centro studi informatici):“Statistica e programmazione.”
1974 Degree cum Laude and Honorable Mention in Political Sciences, University of Turin.
More detail is at this site which states that his PhD was in “NeoEneolithic Literacy in Southeastern Europe: an Inquiry into the Danube Script”. Nothing to do with art history or classical mythology.
It's hard to deal with an IP hopper for obvious reasons, but instead of reverting again I'm bringing this here.
Doug Weller (
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Merlini's cv says this about him: "Marco Merlini, Ph.D., is a cultural manager, journalist and archaeo-semiologist. He is Executive Director of the InnovaNet and EURO INNOVANET research institutes and is General Director of the Prehistory Knowledge Project in Rome, Italy. He is the Coordinator of M.U.S.E.U.M. — the network of the archaeological, historical and prehistoric museums of European capital cities — and the “Virtual Museum of European Roots.” He is also Director of Communications of the Institute of Archaeomythology and is the author of La scrittura è nata in Europa (2004) and numerous articles on the Danube script." I don't think that Dr Merlini is making a relationship between Mary and Artemis, this is purely factual both goddesses are in the painting the relationship was put there by the artist. Ephesis was the major centre of Artemis worship, it became a centre of Mary worship and mythology. Merlini's paper is about a fresco at a prominent Orthodox monastery and the quotation made merely establishes the fact that such a fresco exists and that it contained both Mary and Artemis. (The article can be downloaded here http://www.academia.edu/3035438/The_Pagan_Artemis_in_the_Virgin_Mary_Salutation_part_I or here http://www.archaeomythology.org/publications/the-journal-of-archaeomythology/2011-volume-7/2011-volume-7-article-9/) As to the rest of Merlini's article, that has not been incorporated. I used the factual quote not his conclusions (good or bad). There are photos in his article which show that the facts are accurate. I'm sorry I wasn't able to read the link for the suggested alternative reference as Google wouldn't give it to me. The Wikipedia Mary article contains mostly Hagiography and quotes from the Bible as though it is a factual document. Here and there extra information is in the article such as the fact that Jesus was estranged from his family and rejected them and they him. The Mary of popular worship is a myth. To be even more blunt, a "virgin story" was created in order to fulfil a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14. Personally I find Artemis a far more interesting figure but that's a POV I haven't put in the article. This article is at least twice as long as it should be and the last person to try to do an overall edit was Editor2020 and that was only partial. I'm not a Wikipedia habitue but have attempted to add a little salt here and there. Hopefully against a tide of irrationality, and without being offensive, people can draw their own conclusions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.51.71.17 ( talk • contribs)
On closer examination, the source is not as good as I had thought. I didn't see any wild theories, I scanned over it rather than reading it in detail as it is fairly long. There was some interesting material about Hittite beliefs that preceded Artemis in Ephesus when it was a Hittite town. In the ancient world there was no universal culture, so even national gods were modified by local traditions. The Universities that he cites in his museum project are apparently minor Italian Serbian Bulgarian and Romanian ones. http://www.archaeomythology.org/about-the-institute-of-archaeomythology/fellows-honorary-members-associate/ http://europeanvirtualmuseum.net/evm/documenti/research_1.pdf The article he wrote reads like a popular Archaeology magazine, perhaps a little higher standard. I'm happy to have it replaced with the source that you provided but in the meantime someone else has protected it. My purpose was to bring in some intellectual material to this article, looking at it from different perspectives than blind belief. As you provided the reference perhaps you would like to make the edit. "Gordon Laing argues convincingly that the worship of Artemis as both virgin and mother at the grand Ephesian temple contributed to the veneration of Mary." seems adequate.
No problem and sorry about being an "edit warrior", having observed previous vandalism I thought it more of the same.
My understanding is that a source is generally always reliable for its own opinion, but numerous people at Talk:Anita_Sarkeesian#Censoring_any_criticism appear to contest that. Is Breitbart reliable for the statement: The conservative website, Breitbart, was critical of Sarkeesian's ability as an art critic. sourced to "Let's Stop Pretending Anita Sarkeesian Is an Art Critic". Breitbart. Retrieved 2015-11-03. Thanks, Second Quantization ( talk) 00:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Opinion sources are generally usable for opinions cited as opinions. Those who think that a source can not be used for its own opinions are mistaken. For material about celebrities in any nation on earth, it is hard to find any truly reliable source for contentious facts or claims of fact. Mao was a reliable source for the opinions of Mao - yet I would not use him for claims of fact about his reign (yes - I know he is dead, but I am referring to written opinions here). If the issue is "what is art criticism?", then we may consider whether the person (apparently Mytheos Holt) holding the opinion is notable enough for his or her opinions about what is or is not art criticism (in the case at hand whether the person holding an opinion can state that the material is not construed by him as art criticism), but that has nothing to do with whether the opinion is printed by the NYT or the Daily Mail - the opinion at issue belongs to the person voicing it, not to the publisher. One might note this is exactly the same position I cite for all such matters and sources from RT onwards.
Collect (
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A lot of ink was spilled on pretty much the same question last year. [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Rhoark ( talk) 02:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Even bothering to mention somebody's opinion of somebody else's art criticism as posted on breitbart.com is a violation of WP:UNDUE anyway. A reputable art critic, published in a reputable, reliable source: that might be relevant to the article. But breitbart.com is not known for discussion of artistic issues any more than Juggs is known for tofu recipes. -- Orange Mike | Talk 02:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Reliable for its own opinion? Yes. On its own article. On other articles you have to ask not if it's reliable but if it's notable, which is different. DreamGuy ( talk) 02:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Is the above a reliable source? See [9] and [10]. 32.218.47.132 ( talk) 03:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
A source used on Killing of Cecil the Lion, Johnny Rodrigues, was challenged based on the ground that he had apparently contradicted himself. A response (from an administrator) has been that it's not allowed to "bad-mouth living persons", and at my objection that this interpretation would mean the inability to challenge the reliability of any living source, the editor confirmed that this is policy.
Can you confirm that too? Is "scaring an editor away" from challenging a source because the source is a living person acceptable and part of policy? LjL ( talk) 15:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
he's said the cubs would be killed by Jericho, then said Jericho was Cecil's brother, then said Jericho was killed too. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 16:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
In addition, he stated that Jericho was Cecil's brother and that Jericho was killed by poachers. None of those statements were correct., which reveals this to be a case of Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material. The examples given there are directly comparable. Samsara 16:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
"Please focus on the talk page though, as I'm definitely not going to defend the actual addition of some unsourced material about the "incorrectness" of the source within the article itself". So given no one here is defending that material that was added to the article, who are you even arguing against? Maybe you had a lapse in following what was going on.
“Cecil’s death is a tragedy, not only because he was a symbol of Zimbabwe but because now we have to give up for dead his six cubs, as a new male won’t allow them to live so as to encourage Cecil’s three females to mate,” Johnny Rodrigues, head of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, said. “The two people who accompanied the hunter have been arrested but we haven’t yet tracked down the hunter, who is Spanish.”does not put him in a favorable light. We now know there are many errors in that statement but it's not for us to to pick and choose. Therefore, other sources that have corrected the errors are more reliable and are used to source facts about the hunter, Jericho, the cubs, the pride, etc, etc. What method would we use to pick and choose Rodriques statements that were all issued as breaking news with variable degrees of veracity? He's not being maliciously wrong and there is no malice in his errors, he's just not reliable. -- DHeyward ( talk) 19:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Does a Dale Carnegie "Training Center" source meet the criteria of a reliable source i.e. either (1) academic, (2) journalistic or (3) experts in their field. Dale Carnegie Training "serves the business community worldwide" and according to their website "The franchisees around the world use their training and consulting services with companies of all sizes in all business segments". They are not experts in defining generational boundaries.
They have a "clients" page which suggests they're not academic or journalistic nor experts in this particular area. See
http://www.dalecarnegie.com/about-us/clients/
There are experts such as Strauss and Howe who have written over 10 books on the subject, including a New York Times bestseller. We can't include anybody who decides to write a white paper on generations. This source doesn't meet the criteria and they are in business to make money on consulting. It's not a University it is by their own words a business "franchise".
The source is self-published and doesn't qualify. Here's the policy on
self-published sources. The policy states self-published sources must be "expert(s) whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications".
See the discussion at
/info/en/?search=Talk:Millennials— Preceding
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2606:6000:610a:9000:8547:5b6e:711:e5e2 (
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Cleaned up version (of the above as of 1:26pm 11/12/15) that does not change the interpretation:
Does a Dale Carnegie "Training Center" source on the Millennials page meet the criteria of a reliable source i.e. either being (1) academic, (2) journalistic or (3) experts in their field? The source is self-published. Dale Carnegie Training "serves the business community worldwide". According to their website "the franchisees around the world use their training and consulting services with companies of all sizes in all business segments". They have a "clients" page which suggests they're not academic or journalistic nor experts in this particular area. See http://www.dalecarnegie.com/about-us/clients/ It's not a University. They're in business to make money on consulting. They're not experts in defining generational boundaries. Cant find any reliable third party who has published the work either.
The policy states self-published sources must be "expert(s) whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications". self-published sources
See the discussion at /info/en/?search=Talk:Millennials— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:610a:9000:8547:5b6e:711:e5e2 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 12 November 2015
"Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications", so self-published sources can be used under some conditions. Do these conditions apply here? Well, Dale Carnegie Training was certainly published by reputable third parties before, see for instance this book published by Simon & Schuster (but Google Books suggests there are many more). So I don't see a problem here. LjL ( talk) 00:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
I would like to get other opinions from more experienced editors. When did consensus start trumping the clearly written rules for reliable sources? What's the point of the rule if a small group of editors can override anything with their "consensus". 2606:6000:610A:9000:4B:3F3C:E92B:5B77 ( talk) 18:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
This is a comment as much as a anything, but I invited responses. Although newspapers are generally reliable for news, and sometimes contain articles written by subject experts, they also contain a lot of "background" material appearing as article filler which is not at all reliable. One thing that people don't want to believe, but is true nevertheless, is that journalists often use Wikipedia for background without citing it. Even the best newspapers in the world do it, as the following example from The Guardian shows. In red is a text from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as it was before today] and in blue is text from this article in the Guardian yesterday.
Incidentally, the newspaper copied one of our errors (the Protocols don't identify themselves as the minutes of a meeting, that was done by its publishers) and added one error by not reading Wikipedia carefully enough (there aren't chunks of text copied, but there is a lot of close paraphrase). Zero talk 11:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Recently multiply removed from Toilet-related injuries and deaths:
Is this use of Guralnick and/or Nicopolous proper? (I ask here rather than on the article's talk page because there have recently been similar removals and replacements elsewhere.)
Pinging @ Excelse, Onefortyone, and 182.77.82.62:. -- Hoary ( talk) 07:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Mainstream biographers are of the opinion that "Elvis died on the toilet". See Greil Marcus, Dead Elvis: A Chronicle of a Cultural Obsession (Harvard University Press 1991), p.154. If you have a problem with the fact that Elvis had a heart attack while straining at stool (a phenomenon called the Valsalva maneuver) and, after suddenly having risen from his wallhung ceramic toilet, stumbled or crawled several feet before he died, his pyjamas still being around his ankles (as is common when using the toilet), what about this version:
This wording, including direct quotes from some reliable sources, should cover the opinion of most medical examiners. Interestingly, the people around Elvis tried to hide the real cause of his death. Here is a statement by Billy Smith, Elvis' first cousin, cited in Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995): "we never really wanted to say this, but Elvis was actually sitting on the toilet, with his pajama bottoms down. His colon was bothering him. And he fell over, and, best I understand, he crawled several feet. So this was not an instantaneous death. Or a painless one. They know that from all these little hemorrhages he had from the waist up, where the blood vessels had burst after he fell. That goes along with a drug death." (p.719) Onefortyone ( talk) 15:53, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Query: did user Excelse present irrefutable arguments for his massive removals of content? No, he didn't. Where are his reliable sources contradicting my edits? I have cited many independent sources supporting my view. And this is what counts on Wikipedia, not the personal opinions of some Elvis fans who don't like the circumstances of Elvis's death. Furthermore, it should be noted that it was another user who added some additional details to the article on 'Toilet-related injuries and deaths', quoting Elvis's personal physician, as the history of the article shows. See [16] and [17] These passages were also deleted by Excelse. Onefortyone ( talk) 16:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
At the Kevin Folta article, content was added that misrepresented the Union of Concerned Scientists as having made a statement against the FOIA requests against Kevin Folta, implying this source which doesn't mention Folta or these specific FOIA requests at all. When i questioned this misrepresentation of the UCS source, an editor introduced an Wired article that claims that a blog post by a UCS member is a UCS organizational position statement. The Wired article says:
The Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit science advocacy group, decried the FOIA requests in one of the first comments made on the issue by an independent organization. “These requests to the genetic engineering researchers, just like other overly broad open records requests that seek excessive access to scientists’ inboxes, are inappropriate,” reads a February 20 statement.
(In the above quote in the original, "February 20 statement" links to this blog post.)
In general, i respect Wired magazine as a reliable source, but here, in this one point, it's clearly mistaken in representing this blog entry as a UCS "comment" which implies an approved organization position statement.
So, the question at hand is this: Wired is generally a reliable source, but does this mean that Wikipedia editors can force content based on an obvious misrepresentation in a Wired article into Wikivoice on a controversial article, and then demand that other editors provide another reliable source to contradict this mistake, in order to remove it? That is where the dialogue on the talk page went. I pointed out this distortion of reality in the article, and the response by other editors was to demand that i provide a reliable source saying that this blog post is actually not an organizational UCS position statement. Is that good Wikipedia editing practice, or is it onerous? Is there a guideline that speaks to this?
The full discussion on the Kevin Folta article's talk page is here.
My reason for posting here is to ask about guidelines and policy in how we treat generally reliable sources in which there are apparently an error. Are we as editors obliged to find opposing reliable sources to point out the error, in order to prevent another editor from including the error if they insist on it? Or can we simply not use the claim that's disputed?
Thanks for any comment. SageRad ( talk) 15:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
The Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit science advocacy organization, decried the FOIA requests in a February 2015 statement, saying it would create "chilling effects on researchers and confuse the public about the state of the science."
← Even by the standards of incessant squabbling that prevail on GMO articles, this seems like a silly dispute. The fix is as simple as adding two or three words to the text: "An analyst from the Union of Concerned Scientists, a non-profit science advocacy organization, decried the FOIA request..." Come on. MastCell Talk 19:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Regarding weight given to Folta's association with Monsanto, know that this wouldn't be a BLP, there would be no reason for this scientist to have a WP page, were it not for the controversy he finds himself in. Here is the WP page as it first appeared, just prior to Folta editing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kevin_Folta&oldid=679773826 Other BLPs, for instance Joseph Mercola and G. Edward Griffin, that have wide approval in the community, do not shirk from displaying controversies front and center. I am afraid Folta is getting special treatment and that editors pushing for NPOV and a factual article are being denigrated unfairly. petrarchan47 คุ ก 09:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Is World Nomads - https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/jordan/Crime-and-Terrorism-Jordan a reliable source for the statement 'As a result of the increased police and military presence to combat terrorism Jordan is one of the safest countries in the Middle East.", in 2005 Amman bombings? It seems to be a commercial travel insurance vendor, which hosts travel-related blogs , but I am interested to learn if it meets our reliability guidelines. Bad Dryer ( talk) 22:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
www.throng.co.nz is an astroturfing website (see http://www.throng.co.nz/about/). It's currently widely used as a source in New Zealand television articles, particularly soap opera and reality tv related ones. Particularly problematic, appear to be the cut-and-paste sharing of Nielsen ratings, which I strongly suspect to be a copyright infringement of this proprietary info. Am I correct in thinking that this site should not be used at all? If so I'm planning on removing most of them. A sister site has previously been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_9#http:.2F.2Fwww.throng.com.au.2F. Stuartyeates ( talk) 22:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Is World Nomads - https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/jordan/Crime-and-Terrorism-Jordan a reliable source for the statement 'As a result of the increased police and military presence to combat terrorism Jordan is one of the safest countries in the Middle East.", in 2005 Amman bombings? It seems to be a commercial travel insurance vendor, which hosts travel-related blogs , but I am interested to learn if it meets our reliability guidelines. Bad Dryer ( talk) 22:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
www.throng.co.nz is an astroturfing website (see http://www.throng.co.nz/about/). It's currently widely used as a source in New Zealand television articles, particularly soap opera and reality tv related ones. Particularly problematic, appear to be the cut-and-paste sharing of Nielsen ratings, which I strongly suspect to be a copyright infringement of this proprietary info. Am I correct in thinking that this site should not be used at all? If so I'm planning on removing most of them. A sister site has previously been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_9#http:.2F.2Fwww.throng.com.au.2F. Stuartyeates ( talk) 22:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I need some help here. I'm in a discussion at Draft_talk:The_Crown_of_Ptolemy. The article is at AfC and while I do think that the work is overall notable, there's some question over whether or not we should use self-published sources (blogs, etc) to back up claims of popularity. My problem with using these is that while the SPS aren't being used to show notability, they still have issues with verification. They're opinions, but we can't use them because we can't verify them like we could a post in a newspaper or other trusted source. (My point was that anyone could write a blog, meaning that someone could be writing it simply to promote the material, have taken the material from elsewhere, or other issues common to SPS.)
There was also questions over whether or not to use an author's blog post about the book. My opinion on that was that if the author is notable, we have more wiggle room about that since a review/article from a notable person's blog could hold more weight. It might not be notability giving, but it could potentially be seen as reliable enough to use. I was going to see if I could find enough sourcing to justify an article for the author, but I haven't had the chance to do that.
Also in question is whether or not the site Geek Insider is usable as a RS. The site's contact page does mention an editorial staff, but gives no information about the staff or the editorial process - it just says that they have one. I tried searching to see if there's any coverage or mentions of the site elsewhere, but I don't really see anything out there, which doesn't really help establish that it's a RS per Wikipedia's guidelines.
Finally, bestseller lists are also questioned. These were recently added as a notability giving RS to WP:NBOOK, but merchant bestseller lists were specifically excluded because they're frequently dynamic (meaning that there's no set list date like there is for the NYT) and can be swayed easily. Because they're so hard to actually verify and keep up with, they were specifically excluded from the criteria as a reliable or notability giving source. The only one that might be potentially usable is this one from iTunes, but even then that's sort of iffy. Another thing that was brought up (although this might be more appropriate for the NBOOK talk page) is the question of whether or not a NYT bestseller list for the entire series could be used to show notability and popularity for the specific work. My thought on this is that while a series' overall notability arguably should give an individual work at least a tiny bit of notability, this is not currently part of the guidelines and as such cannot be used to actually verify notability for an individual piece of the series.
There's other stuff up for debate on the page and I'd prefer that a more full discussion take part on the talk page itself, but I wanted to get something started here as well. Again, I'm not arguing that the book is non-notable (I personally think that it is), just that the sourcing that was in the article (which I'd removed) wasn't usable/reliable as far as Wikipedia is concerned. I just don't like the idea of using SPS and other potentially unreliable sources on an article because people do model articles after pre-existing articles, so it'd be easy for someone to argue that a source is usable and could give notability because they've seen it on another page. Plus this also opens the floodgates for people to add their SPS to articles, claiming that if X blog is used, why can't they add their's (or someone else's). It's not a science article, but we still need to be able to have verifiable sources like we would on a science article. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Louis E. Johnson
Reference: http://www.discogs.com/artist/321966-Louis-Johnson
Please comment at Talk:Muslim_history_in_Palestine#Israeli_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_is_not_reliable_source.3F. Debresser ( talk) 11:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Is there a reason editors posted here? I mean, the first post clearly asked to comment at Talk:Muslim_history_in_Palestine#Israeli_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_is_not_reliable_source.3F! Debresser ( talk) 12:25, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I would like to know if An Phoblacht ("AN") or its American cousin, The Irish People, are considered reliable reflinks, as certain editors, @Gob Lofa at the moment comes to mind, continue to use or maintain such links. "AN" is an Irish republican propaganda mill, edited by the IRA Army Council. I will add more as it becomes available. Quis separabit? 16:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Quis separabit? 21:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
References
The relationship between Sinn Fein and the IRA, historically, has been symbiotic. It is impossible to separate them. In more recent years, Sinn Fein has said, "We are not the IRA, they are a totally separate organization." In the minds of the vast majority of people in Ireland, whether they are Unionist or Nationalist, Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA, and it has played that role quite hotly down the years.
I don't understand the purpose of the above bulleted points, which seem to be about Sinn Fein and the IRA, not An Poblacht or The Irish People. Both magazines are clearly reliable sources, in the sense that they have a clear editorial structure, carry serious journalism and are accountable for their news articles. All news sources have a bias and that does not make them "unreliable" per se. Sionk ( talk) 18:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
What I am saying above is that the two newspapers represent a world view (Irish republicanism) which is one amongst many (and a popular one in many parts of Ireland). Simply because you may disagree with Irish republicanism (I'm guessing that you - AusLondonder and Quis separabit? - clearly do) doesn't make the view unreliable, or irrelevant. Of course their views have to be taken in context with other views from other commentators and publications. When I say the publications are reliable, I'm saying they have editorial oversight, employ journalists and are fully accountable for their views/articles - as the overview of WP:RS says "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians".
If you really want to debate the links between Sinn Fein and the IRA I'm sure there are many better, more suitable forums for this. Sionk ( talk) 19:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Neither of you have answered Sionk's questions. Gob Lofa ( talk) 23:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Not quite sure whether this is going anywhere now. It seems to be drifting off the main topic (which was never really addressed in the first place). If the original question was generated by a disagreement about the content of a specific article, then maybe there is a better forum than this one where specifics can be addressed. If anyone disagrees with Irish republicanism, it doesn't mean they have a right to silence it. That would simply be denying a sizeable minority of the population of Ireland a voice. Sionk ( talk) 21:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
An editor made an addition Dan Johnson (musician):
I don't mind the use of Facebook as a source here, although I know many others would. The problem is that the three sources are images and do not mention the subject, except one in a user-added comment that is unclear.
Are these reliable? Do I need to be improved? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 04:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
RFC started here on two questions, one of which is asking about a source. Me-123567-Me ( talk) 18:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
The article GNU Compiler Collection is using the Linux Information Project for the extraordinary claim that
It [GCC] has been ported to more kinds of processors and operating systems than any other compiler
Is this a reliable source? The Project promises in its Colophon that it employs "highly experienced writers and editors" but its articles are all anonymous and typically cite no sources.
The source has been marked with {{verify credibility}} since April 2013. Linfo.org is used as a source on various other pages. QVVERTYVS ( hm?) 14:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Judging from this "native" page the number 60 is a gross underestimate. In addition, the number depends on how you count. I can easily count ~240, under some liberal detalization. Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:28, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
So basically would I agree with the statement, just attribute its authorship. Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:34, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Omar Regan appears in Claws For Alarm, an independent film that is non-notable. The only evidence for this is the video itself.
Does this constitute reliable evidence that the actor appeared in said movie to allow for said movie to appear on their filmography?
Thanks :) -- Imagine Wizard ( talk · contribs · count) Iay amay Magineiay Izardway. 21:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Can this page of the "Solar Power Portal" be used in the Rampisham Down article to support this statement:
On 9 July 2015 British Solar Renewables published the results of an ecological study of the site. The study, which British Solar Renewables had commissioned in February, stated that it was likely that the proposed farm would have "no impact on the grassland at the site or the surrounding environment". The study findings were backed by botanist Sir Ghillean Prance, who stated his confidence that British Solar Renewables would "maintain and restore the habitat at Rampisham Down".
There is a brief discussion here which highlights some concerns, though it is perhaps worth pointing out that the recent history of the article has seemed to involve opposing factions. Thanks. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 21:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Israel_Meir_Kagan#NYT_obituary. Please notice that you are kindly asked to comment there, not here. I specify this, since the simple request to comment somewhere else has been misunderstood by some in the past as meaning they should comment here (yes, I was also taken aback by how people could be that careless), which led to discussion being held in distinct locations, with parties not being aware of each other. Debresser ( talk) 21:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I was attempting to check for out of date URLs and found an unlinked reference, but cannot seem to confirm its existence. The reference reads: "Preacher has links to molest suspects." The San Diego Union San Diego, Calif.: May 17, 1993. p. A.7
It can be found supporting The San Diego Union-Tribune noted "the news report found seven U.S. churches - all with ties to Jack Hyles, it said - involved in sex scandals." in the article Preying from the Pulpit.
Three articles ( Jack Hyles, First Baptist Church (Hammond, Indiana), and Hyles–Anderson College) contain an identical claim attributed to to the source and two others: [the Preying from the Pulpit news series] examined fresh claims of sex abuse in five different fundamentalist churches where church workers who molested children were traced back to Hyles-Anderson College.
There are a few things that trigger my skeptical circuitry. I find the wording of the title to be odd. The San Diego Union had merged with the Tribune prior to 1993 to form The San Diego Union-Tribune and quote is attributed to "The San Diego Union-Tribune". There appears to be some copy-paste in which content may not have been checked. I searched for the article, unsuccessfully, and that is sufficient to raise the concern that there is at least one significant error in the citation if it exists. I ran a search that was more than superficial, but which I do not consider exhaustive. While there is a reasonable chance that I'm the source of my own difficulties, I figure that this is important enough to warrant another opinion. I also realize that there may bigger issues which make one source into a minor detail, but this is the one I've been attacking futilely and sometimes cleaning up small details clarifies the bigger issues. If confirming the source is not an RSN issue, can you refer me to the appropriate forum? Thank you. BiologicalMe ( talk) 21:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I was watching a show that is based in Ireland. My knowledge of the Island is pretty slim so I clicked through several articles until I happened upon this one. One thing I noticed immediately is that this article stated that there was "strong support" for a United Ireland within the United States, and used this article as a source. This is a sneaky claim, as State legislatures only speak for their state. There is a stink of POV pushing all over this article, and a derailed review to verity the claims in the article match the sources is needed. Which Hazel? ( talk) 08:13, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Just would like clarification if
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Is Michael Sells, 'HOLOCAUST ABUSE:The Case of Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husayni,' Journal of Religious Ethics, 2015 Vol 43, No. 4, pp 723–759 a reliable source for Amin al-Husseini's role in WW2 and the historiography on him.
Sells has the John Henry Barrows Professor of Islamic History and Literature in the University of Chicago Divinity School. His curriculum is here He was awarded the 1997 American Academy of Religion Annual Book Prize for Excellence in Historical Studies, for one of his historical works, The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia, University of California Press, 1996.
Notwithstanding all this, some editors deny he qualifies as WP:RS. See here on the talk page.
I find the objections unbelievable given this scholar's background and qualifications, and the fact that the paper in question not only covers the relevant scholarly literature in several languages, but harvests his research on primary sources in the Central Zionist Archives in Jerusalem, and several other archives. Could experts in RS with no horse in this race assess the merits of this scepticism? Thank you Nishidani ( talk) 20:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
. Many sources are reliable for statement "X," but unreliable for statement "Y".text
The question is whether he's reliable for historical facts outside his area of expertise (which is Islamic Literature) and the area of study of the journal this was published in (Journal of Religious Ethics). For example, al-Husseini's role in the Holocaust, who supplied the information about him and and what he allegedly did, and other general stuff like that. All this unattributed and stated as fact in the encyclopedi'a neutral voice. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 21:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Not sure experts in RS are required. Any old fool could tell this is a reliable source. Brustopher ( talk) 22:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Please note this source is now being used in various BLPs, such as here and here. Is this guy now also an expert on current events, or are we extending his Islamic Literature expertise only to the Holocaust? No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 00:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
If a qualified academic historian publishes a history article in a peer-reviewed academic journal, it is a reliable source. Everything else is basically irrelevant. Once we start deleting peer-reviewed professional literature because we don't like what it contains, the outlook for the encyclopaedia is very bleak. Incidentally, a summary version of Sell's article also appeared in the rather-right-wing Jewish magazine The Tablet; that is also a citable source but with the journal version at hand we don't need it. Zero talk 00:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Michael Sells is the John Henry Barrows Professor of Islamic History and Literature at the University of Chicago's divinity school. His about page at the university says: "His work on religion and violence includes: The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia; The New Crusades: Constructing the Muslim Enemy, which he coedited and to which he contributed; "'Armageddon' in Christian, Sunni, and Shia traditions," Oxford Handbook of Religion and Violence (2012): 467-495; and "Finhas of Medina: Islam, 'the Jews', and the Construction of Militancy," in Fighting Words: Religion, Violence, and the Interpretation of Sacred Texts, ed. John Renard, (University of California Press, 2012): 101-134." He is about as eminent a scholar of the history of religion and violence as one can find. Husseini, the subject of the Wikipedia article in question, was a prominent and important religious figure in Jerusalem. He published a peer reviewed article about Husseini's connection to the Holocaust (an act of violence if ever there was one) that is being objected to. Sells' CV speaks for itself. Any objection to his reliability as a historian, commenting on Husseini, is beyond insane. Trying to disqualify his use as a source on a website that cobbles together endless second-rate news articles and partisan sources in its articles, should be grounds for an immediate topic ban. That it won't be, and that this type of gamesmanship is tolerated, is why serious people don't contribute here. Dan Murphy ( talk) 22:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
He is an historian with a published and much cited record for studies and a book, on ethnic conflict and religious violence, and that is sufficient.</blockquote
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Mystical Languages of Unsaying (Univ. of Chicago Press, 1994) • 1994 Emily Judson Baugh and John Marshall Gest Professorship in Comparative Religions, Haverford College • 1993 NEH (National Endowment of the Humanities) Fellowship: Studies in the Classical Arabic Qasida • 1992 Lifetime Honorary Fellow
• 1990 Nominated for the Lewis Galatière Prize from the American Literary Translators Associati on (for Desert Tracings) • 1990 Nominated for the Harold Morton Landon Translation Award from the American Academy of Poets (for Desert Tracings) • 1987 Emily Judson Baugh Gest and John Marshall Gest Lectureship in Comparative Religions. • 1985 Arabic League Translation Award , Translation Center, Columbia University. • 1985 NEH Summer Grant, Arabic Ode Translation Project. • 1982 – 1984 Andrew W. Mellon Fellowship , Stanford University. • 1982 Honors (the highest designation), PhD Dissertation Defense, University of Chicago • 1982 Arabic Translation Prize , American Association of Teachers of Arabic (AATA). • 1981 Arabic Translation Prize , American Association of Teachers of Arabic. • 1981 – 1982 Whiting Fellowship , The University of Chicago. • 1979 – 80/1978 – 79 NDEA Title V I Fellowship, Arabic. • 1977 – 1978 CASA Fellowship (Center for Arabic Studies Abroad). • 1977 Honors (the highest designation) MA exams, University of Chicago. • 1971 Magna cum Laude, B.A. degree, Gonzaga University. M ichael Sells CV 3 PUBLICATIONS, BOOKS Qur ʾ ānic Studies Today . Co - edited with Angelika Neuwirth. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge, in pre ss, scheduled for February 2016 . Stations of Desire: Love Odes of Ibn `Arabi and New Poems. Original poems by Michael Sells and translations of love qasidas from Ibn `Ar abi's Interpreter of Desires (Turjuman al - Ashwaq) . Jerusalem: Ibis Press, 2000. Fourth Printing, 2003. The New Crusades: Constructing the Muslim Enemy . Co - edited with Emran Qureshi. New York: Columbia University Press, 2003. Introduction by Michael Sells a nd Emran Qureshi. Essays by Fatema Mernissi, Edward Said, Roy Mottahedeh, John Trumpbour, Rob Nixon, Mujeeb Khan, Maria Rosa Menocal, Neil MacMaster, Norman Cigar, and Michael Sells. A Choice "Academic Book of the Year" for 2004. Approaching the Qur'an: Th e Early Revelations. White Cloud Press, 1999. Renderings of the hymnic suras, with an introduction, a facing commentary on each Sura, essays on sound and meaning in Qur'anic language, sound charts for use with Qur'anic recitation, and an annotated glossary and a CD with examples of Qur'anic recitation. Seventh, Printing 2003. Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations , Second Edition, with a new chapter on Surat al - Rahman , including a full translation of the sura , and a preface covering the 2002 UNC - Qu r’an controversy (Ashland, OR: White Cloud Press, 2006). Cambridge History of Arabic Literature, Al - Andalus. Co - edited with Maria Rosa Menocal and Raymond Scheindlin, and contributor. The volume includes 24 essays. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 20 00. The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia. University of California Press, 1996. An examination of the use of religious mythology to motivate and justify genocide against Bosnian Muslims from 1992 - 1995. 1997 American Academy Religion Award f or Excellence in Historical Studies. Second Edition with a Preface on Kosovo and BiH. University of California Press, 1998. Bosnian edition: Iznevjereni most: religia i genocid u Bosni , translated by Zoran Mutic,(Sarajevo: Sedam, 2002). Early Islamic Mysti cism. Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality Series, 1996. Introductions and translations of the Qur'an, Mi`raj Accounts, Arabic Poetry, Tustari, Ja`far as - Sadiq, Muhasibi, Junayd, Hallaj, Rabi`a, Bistami, Sarraj, Qushayri, and Niffari, with an Int roduction to Islamic mysticism. 3rd Printing 2003. Mystical Languages of Unsaying. University of Chicago Press, 1994. A philosophical and literary study of apophatic language in Plotinus, Eriugena, Ibn `Arabi, Eckhart, and Marguerite Porete. With original translations from the Greek, Arabic, Latin, medieval French, and medieval German. 1995 American Academy of Religion First Book Prize (honorable mention). Desert Tracings: Six Classic Arabian Odes. Wesleyan University Press, 1989. Second Printing, 1996. Ori ginal Translations, and Critical Commentary on early Arabic odes by `Alqama, Shanfara, Labid, `Antara, Al - A`sha and Dhu al - Rumma, with a General M ichael Sells CV 5 • “Day Falls Night” a translation of poem #39 from Ibn al - `Arab ī ’s Turjum ā n al - Ashwāq , OccasionalReligion. c om, 2 9 November 2011 Journal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Society 51 (2012) i - ii . • “Flight Four,” poem, Occasion al Religion. c om, 1 September 2011 . • “For You Alone,” a translation of a Persian ghazal by Hafez of Shi raz, OccasionalReligion. c om, 27 July 2011 . • “Dead on the Trail in Dhát al - Áda , ” a translation of an Arabic nasīb from Ibn al - `Arabi’s Turjuman al - Ashwāq , OccasionalReligion. c om, 9 June 2011. A revised version of “Dead on the Trail in Dhát al - Áda , ” J ournal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Societ y 50 (2011): v - vi. • “You the Dawn and I,” a translation of a Persian ghazal by Hafez of Shiraz, OccasionalReligion. c om, 22 April 2011, under the title “Ghazel.” • “Mark Twain’s Palestine ,” freq.uenci.es: a collaborative genea logy of spirituality , 3 November 2011 , http://freq.uenci.es/2011/11/03/mark - twains - palestine . • “Forward,” in Prophecy in Islam by Fazlur Rahman (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2011), vii - xviii. 2006 - 200 8 • “Tigris Song,” and “Baghdad Song,” Poetry 1 92.1 (April 2008): 26 - 29. [translations from the Arabic of two poems by Ibn al - `Arabi from the Turjuman al - Ashwaq , along with a translator’s note] • “Return to the Flash Rock Plain of Thahmad: Two Nasibs by Ibn al - Arabi,” Journal of Arabic Literature 39 (20 08): 3 - 13. • “Iraq and Yemen Intertwined: Poem #20 from Ibn al - Arabi’s Turjuman al - Ashwaq (interpreter/translator/biographer of longings) ” in Studies in Arabic and Hebrew Letters in Honor of Raymond P . Scheindlin , eds. Jonathan P. Decter and Michael Rand (Pi scataway, NJ: Gorgias Press, 2007) , 175 - 180. • “War as Worship, Worship as War,” Religion and Culture Forum , December 2006, online publication, http://divinity.uchicago.edu/martycenter/publications/webforum/122006/com mentary.shtml. • “ Pilgrimage and ‘ E thnic Cl eansing ’ in Herzegovina, ” in Religion and N ationalism in Iraq , eds. David Little and Donald Swearer ( Harvard University Press, 2006) , 147 - 158 . • Approaching the Qur’an: The Early Revelations (White Cloud Press, 2006), New Edition, w ith preface on the 2002 UNC - Qur’an con troversy and a new chapter with a commentary on and full translation of Sura 55. 2003 • “ Crosses of Blood: Sacred Space, Religion, and Violence in Bosnia - Hercegovina, ” The A nnual Paul Hanly Furfey Lecture, Association for the Sociology of Religion, Sociolo gy of Religion 64:3 (2003): 309 - 331. • “ Sacral Ruins in Bosnia - Herzegovina, Mapping Ethnoreligious Nationalism, ” in Religion and the Creation of Race and Ethnicity , ed. Craig R. Prentiss (New York: New York University Press, 2003) , 211 - 233. • The New Crusade s: Constructing the Muslim Enemy , co - edited with Emran Qureshi (New York: Columbia University Press, 2003). M ichael Sells CV 6 • “ Christ - Killer, Kremlin, Contagion, ” in The New Crusades: Constructing the Muslim Enemy , eds. Emran Qureshi and Michael Sells (New York: Columbia U niversity Press, 2003), 352 - 389. • "Introduction: The Clash of Civilizations and Constructing the Muslim Enemy," co - authored with Emran Qureshi , in The New Crusades
Muslim Enemy , eds. Emran Qureshi and Michael Sells (New York: Columbia Univ ersity Press, 2003) , 1 - 47. • “ Ibn al - `Arabi and the Clash of Civilizations, ” Rabat, Morocco, 2003 (in press). 2002 • Iznevjereni most , translated by Zoran Mutic (Sarajevo: Sedam, 2002), translation of The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia . • “ The Infinity of Desire: Love, Mystical Union, and Ethics in Sufism, ” in Crossing Boundaries: Essays on the Ethical Status of Mysticism , eds. William Barnard and Jeffrey Kripal (New York: Seven Bridges, 2002): 184 - 229. • “ Islam in Serbian Religious Mythology and Its Consequences, ” in Islam and Bosnia , ed. Maya Shatzmiller (Montreal: McGill - Queen's University Press, 2002) , 56 - 85. • “ Irremediable Ecstasy, Modes of the Lyric in Etel Adnan's The Spring Flowers Own & Manifestations of the Voyage , ” in Etel Adnan: Cr itical Essays on the Arab - American Writer and Artist , ed s. Lisa Suhayr Majaj and Amal Amireh (Jefferson, NC
- 66. • “ The Wedding of Zein: Islam through the Modern Novel, ” in Teaching Islam , ed. Brannon Wheeler (New York: Oxford University Press, 2002) , 145 - 167. • “ Ibn `Arabi and the Clash of Civilizations, ” Journal of the University of Riyadh Muhammad V , forthcoming. 2001 • “ Serbian Religious Mythology and the Genocide in Bosnia ” in In God's Name: Genocide and Religion in th e 20th Century , ed s. Omer Bartov and Phyllis Mack (Berghahn Books, 2001), 180 - 205. • “The ‘ Work ’ of Love: Marguerite Porete, Nizam, and Ibn `Arabi ” ( Tres seguidores de la religion de l'amor: Nizam, Ibn `Arabi, y Marguerite Porete ), translated into Spanish by Ana Iribas Rubin , in Mujeres de Luz: Proceedings of the Congreso Internacional Sobre Mistica Femenina , Avila 29 - 31 Octubre, 1999 , ed. Pablo Beneito (Avila: Centro Internacional de Estudios Misticos, 2001) , 137 - 157. • “Preface” in `Umar Ibn al - Farid: Sufi Verse, Saintly Lif e , ed. and trans. Emil Homerin (New York: Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality, 2001), xi - svii. • “ Preface, ” in Anatomy of Genocid e by Alexandre Kimenyi and Otis Scott (Edwin Mellen, 2001). • “ Sound, Spirit, and Gender in Surat al - Qadr, ” anthologized in The Qur'an: Style and Contents , ed. Andrew Rippin (Aldershot UK Ashgate/Variorum , 2001) , 332 - 353. 2000 M ichael Sells CV 7 • "Meister Eckhart and Ibn `Arabi on the Mysticism of Perpetual Transformation," Eckhart Review 8 (Spring 2000): 3 - 18. • "A Literar y Approach to the Hymnic Suras of the Qur'an: Spirit, Gender, and Aural Intertextuality" in Literary Structures of Religi ous Meaning in the Qur'an , ed. Issa J. Boullata (L ondon: Curzon Press, 2000), 3 - 25. • "Vuk's Knife: Kosovo, the Serbian Golgotha, and the Radicalization of Serbian Society," in Kosovo: Contending Voices on Balkan Interventions , ed. William J. Buckley (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), 133 - 141. • The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature, Al - Andalus . C o - e ditor, with Maria Rosa Menocal a nd Raymond Scheindlin, and contributor. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000). • "To al - Andalus Would She Return the Greeting: Ibn Zaydun's Nuniyya (Poem in N), Complete Translation," in The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature: The Literature of Al - Andalus, ed s . Maria Rosa Menocal, Raymond P . Scheindlin, and Michael Sells (Cambridge: Cambrid ge University Press, 2000), 489 - 496. • "Love," an essay on love poetry in Islamic Andalus, in The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature: The Literature of Al - Andalus, ed s . Maria Rosa Menocal, Raymond P. Scheindlin, and Michael Sells (Cambridge: Cambri dg e University Press, 2000), 126 - 158. 1999 • Stations of Desire: Love Elegies from Ibn `Arabi and New Poems (Jerusalem: Ibis Editions, 1999, 3rd printing 2002 ). • "Balkan Islam and the Mythology of Kosovo," ISIM (International Institute for the Study of Islam in the Modern World) Newsletter , no. 3, 1999 . • "The Wiles of Women and Performative Intertextuality: `A'isha, the Hadith of the Slander and the Sura of Yus uf," c o - a uthored with Ashley Manjarrez Walker , Journal of Arabic Literature 30.1 (Spring, 1999): 1 - 23. • Approaching the Qur'an: The New Revelations , selections, translations, and commentaries by Michael Sells (Ashland: White Cloud Press, 1999, new printi ng 2000) • "Sufism Toward the Year 1240 CE," in Jewish Mystical Leadership in the Thirteenth Century , ed. Mortimer Ostow (Jason Aronson Press, 1999). 1998 • "Preface on Ko sovo and BiH from 1995 - 1998," for the new, paperback edition of Michael Sells, The Bridge Betrayed, Religion and Genocide in Bosnia (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1998). • "Serbian Religious Nationalism, Christoslavism, and the Genocide in Bosnia, 1992 - 1995," in Religi on a nd the War in Bosnia , ed. Paul Mojzes (Atlanta: Scholar s Press, 1998): 196 - 207. • “ Four Poems Translated from Ibn `Arabi's Tarjuman al - Ashwaq (Translation of Desires) , ” Journal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Society 23 (1998): 53 - 57. • "Heart - Secret, Intimacy, and Awe in Formative Suf ism," The Shaping of An American Islamic Discourse: A Memorial to Fazlur Rahman, ed s . Earle Waugh and Frederick Denny (Atlanta: Scholars Press, Studies on Religion and the Social Order, 1998) , 165 - 188. 1997 M ichael Sells CV 8 • "Longing, Belonging, and Pilgrimage in the Poe try of Ibn `Arabi," in Languages of Power in Islamic Andalus , ed. Ross Brann ( CDL Press: Occasional publications of the Department of Near Eastern Studies and the Program of Jewish Studies, Cornell University, 1997 ), 178 - 96. • "'Christ Killer' Mythology and the Tragedy in the Balkans," Explorations: Rethinking Relationships Among Protestants, Christians and Jews 11.3 (1997): 5. 1996 • The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia (Berkeley: Univ e rsity of California Press, 1996 2nd edition, 1998). • "T oward a Multidimensional Understanding of Islam: The Poetic Key," Journal of the American Academy of Religion 64.1 (1996): 145 - 66. • Early Islamic Mysticism (New York: Pau list Press , Classics of Western Spirituality, 1996). • "Religion, History, and Genocide in Bosnia - Herzegovina," in Religion and Justice in the War over Bosnia, ed . G. Scott Davis (New York: Routledge, 1996): 22 - 43. • "The Mu`allaqat ," in Harper - Collins Great Literature of the Eastern World, e d. Ian McGreal (New York: HarperCollins, 1 996), 457 - 61. • "Early Islamic Mysticism," in The Muslim Almanac, ed. by Azim Nanji (Det roit: Gale Research, 1996), 215 - 21. • "Bewildered Tongue: The Semantics of Mystical Union in Islam" and "Response," in Mystical Un ion and Monotheistic Re ligions: an Ecumenical Dialogue , ed s. Bernard McGinn and Moshe Idel ( New York: MacMillan, 1989 2nd edition, New York: Continuum, 1996 ) . 1995 • "At the Way Stations, Stay," Translation and Commentary on a Poem from Ibn `Arabi's "Interpreter of Desires," Journal of the Muhyiddin ibn `Arabi Society 18 (1995): 5 7 - 65. • "Lacan and Bion: Psychoanalysis and the Mystical Language of Unsaying,” co - authored w ith Richard Webb , Theory and Psychology 5.2 (1995): 195 - 215. Reprinted in the Journal of Melanie Klein and Object Relations 15:2 (1997), W. R. Bion Centennial Issue (1897 - 1997): 243 - 64 • "Ibn al - `Arabi, Rabi`a al - Adawiyya, Al - Qushayri, Shahrastani," in Harper - Collins Great Thinkers of the Eastern World, ed . Ian McGreal (New York: HarperCollins, 1995) , 435 - 38, 453 - 56, 461 - 64, 475 - 479. 1994 • "The Pseudo - Woman and the Meister: 'Unsa ying' and Essentialism," in Meister Eckhart and the Beguine Mystics , ed. Bernard McGinn ( New York: Crossroad, 1994), 114 - 46. • Mystical Languages of Unsaying (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1994). • "Mysticism and Emanation in the Writing s of Meister Eckhart," Listening 29.3 (1994) 174 - 85. • "Like the Arms of a Drowning Man: Simile and Symbol Worlds in the Naqa Sections of Bashama's Hajarta Umama ," i n A Festschrift in Honor of Professor M ichael Sells CV 9 Ewald W agner, Beirute r Studien , eds. W. Heinrichs and G. Schoeler (Beirut/Istanbul , 1994) 2: 18 - 41. • "Guises of the Ghul: Dissembling Simile and Semantic Overflow in the Early Arabic Nasib, " in Reorientations, Studies in Arabic and Persian Poetry , ed. S. Stetkevych (Indiana University Press, 1994) , 130 - 164. • "Bosnia: Some Religious Dimensions of Genocide," Religious Studies News 9.2 (May 1994): 4 - 5. Reprinted in Common Era: Best Religion Writings of 1994, e d. Stephen Scholl (Ashland: White Cloud Press, 1995), 114 - 26. 1993 • "Along the Edge of Mirage: Tra nslation and Interpretation of al - Mukhabbal as - Sa'di 's Mufaddaliya, Dhakarta Rababa, " in The Literary Heritage of Classical Islam , ed. M. Mir (Prin ceton: Darwin Press, 1993), 119 - 36. • "Sound and Meaning in Surat al - Qari'a , " Arabica 40.3 (1993): 403 - 43 0. • "Towards A Poetic Translation of Fusus al - Hikam: The Adam Chapter," in Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi: A Commemorative Volume , ed. S. Hirtenstein (Ox ford: Elem ent Books, 1993), 124 - 39. • "From a History of Mysticism to a Theology of Mysticism," Review Articl e on B. McGinn's The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism, vol. 1, Journal of Religion 73.3 (July 1993): 390 - 399. 1991 • "Sound, Spirit, and Gender in Surat al - Qadr, " Journal of the American Oriental Society 111.2 (April - May 1991): 23 9 - 259. Anthologized in The Qur'an: Style and Contents , ed. A. Rippin (Varioum: Aldershot UK, 2001): 332 - 353. • "Ibn 'Arabi's Ala Ya Hamamati l - Arakati wa l - Bani [Gentle Now, Doves]," Journal of the Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi Society X (1991): 1 - 11. Anthologized in the Harper - Collins World Reader 1:1009 - 1011. 1986 - 1990 • " Banat Su'ad: Translation and Interpretive Introduction," Journal of Arabic Literature 21:2 (1990): 140 - 154. • Desert Tracings: Six Classic Arabian Odes by `Alqama, Shanfara, Labid, `Antara, Al - A`sh a, and Dhu al - Rumma (Middletown: Wesleyan University Press, 1989). • "Bewildered Tongue: The Semantics o f Mystical Union in Islam" and "Response," in Mystical Union and Monotheistic Religions: A n Ecumenical Dialogue , ed s . Bernard McGinn and Moshe Idel ( New York: MacMillan, 1989) , 87 - 124, 163 - 173, 219 - 230, a n d 248 - 239. • "Ibn `Arabi's Polished Mirror: Perspective Shift and Meaning Event," Studia Islamica 66 (1988): 121 - 149. • "The Qasida and the West: Self - Reflective Stereotype and Critical Encounter," Al - `Arabiyya 20 (1987): 307 - 357. • "The Semantics of Universality in the Writings of Ibn `Arabi," Proc. of the Ibn `Arabi Society, 1987. • Majkl Sels, "Ibn Arabijeva: basta izmedu plamenova, Broj 7 , " Kulture Istoka: ( Beograd: januar - mart, 1986), 7 - 13. (Translation of "Ibn 'Arabi's Garden Among the Flames "). • "The Mu`allaqa of Tarafa," Journal of Arabic Literature XVII (1986): 21 - 33. M ichael Sells CV 10 1982 - 1985 • "Apophasis in Plotinus: A Critical Approach," Harvard Theological Review 78:1 - 2 (Jan - April 1985): 47 - 67. • "The Mu`allaqa o f Labid, " Translation 13 (Oct/Nov. 1984). • "Ibn `Arabi 's Garden Among the Flames: A Reevaluation," History of Religions 23.4 (1984): 287 - 315. • "Translation and Interpretation: A New Version of Shanfara 's Lamiyya ," Al - `Arabiyya 16 (1983): 5 - 25. Ess ay and Translation. Winner of the 1982 AATA Translation Prize. • "Dhu al - Rumma's 'To the Two Abodes of Mayya...'," Al - `Arabiyya 15 (1982): 52 - 65. Essay and Translation. Winner of the 1981 AATA Translation Prize. ENCYCLOPEDIA and OTHER REFERENCE ARTICLES • “ Spirit” ( ruh ), Ency. of the Qur'an , vol . 3 (Leiden
- 117 . • “Memory” ( dhikr ), Ency. of the Qur'an , vol . 3 (Leiden: Brill, 2003): 272 - 274. • "Ascen sion ” ( mi`raj ) , Ency. of the Qur'an , vol . 1 (Leiden: Brill, 2001): 176 - 181. • "Ibn al - `Arabi," Harpe r's Dictionary of Religion , 475. • "Baraka," Harper's Dictionary of Religion, 104. M ichael Sells CV 11 REVIEWS • The Universal Tree and the Four Birds: Treatise on Unification ( al - Itti ḥ ād al - kawnī ), by Mu ḥ yiddīn Ibn ` Arabī . Introduction, translation , and commentary by Ange la Jaffray. ( Oxford
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) Dan Murphy ( talk) 17:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
On a closely related topic, Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world, a claim was made sourced to a book published by Cambridge University Press, and written by an actual historian of the Holocaust, who currently holds the Hillel A. Feinberg Chair in Holocaust Studies at the University of Texas, Dallas. The material was removed today with an edit summary that says "Patterson's book is popular junk." [22]. The editor who did this is, surprise surprise, someone who has commented above (not 3 days ago) that "If a qualified academic historian publishes a history article in a peer-reviewed academic journal, it is a reliable source. ". I invite comments on the double standards being employed. Bad Dryer ( talk) 22:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Patterson’s misguided contribution to the debate, founded on an utterly absent methodology and frequently lapsing into mendacious and polemical tactics, all the more dangerous an intervention. . . bedevilled by the persistency of poor interpretive method.
Patterson's work . . will be subject to strong criticism from those whose expertise is Nazi-Muslim relations.
Comments are requested at Talk:Super Nintendo Entertainment System#FAR? as to whether documents uploaded to romhacking.net by the main author of the article constitute reliable sources. Thank you. DrKay ( talk) 22:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Is the Russian publication MediaVision magazine a reliable source? An article from the magazine can be found here: http://mediavision-mag.ru/uploads/06%202011/65-67%2006_2011.pdf This article states that Robinzon Kruzo (1947) being filmed in color is just a myth. Ebaillargeon82 ( talk) 22:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Sources in question
[2] Hornberger, Jacob (April 1995). "Repatriation — The Dark Side of World War II". The Future of Freedom Foundation. Archived from the original on August 11, 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20070811230525/http://www.fff.org:80/freedom/0495a.asp
[3]Skousen, Joel. "Historical Deceptions: Operation Keelhaul". World Affairs Brief. Archived from the original on 15 February 2013. Retrieved 2014-07-04
https://web.archive.org/web/20130215214414/http://worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/Keelhaul.shtml
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The term [Operation Keelhaul] has been later applied – specifically after the publication of Julius Epstein's eponymous book – to other Allied acts of often forced repatriation of former residents of the USSR after the ending of World War II that sealed the fate of millions[2] unwilling to return to the Soviet Union.[3]
I would like to remove these two sources as fringey - for example, the article Future of Freedom Foundation refers to the forced repatriation as "one of the worst holocausts in history" and "Allied holocaust." The word holocaust appears 7 times on this page.
Instead, I'd like to use a reference from Nikolai Tolstoy (1977). The Secret Betrayal. Charles Scribner's Sons. ISBN 0-684-15635-0., along the lines of what's used in the Victims of Yalta Wikipedia entry:
Tolstoy estimates that overall two or more millions Soviet nationals were repatriated.
-- K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to post this. An editor and I are having a disagreement on the article Ted Deutch about whether the article subject's high school should be included. I've added a half-sentence reference to the "Early life and education" section, as well as a category identifying him as Liberty High School alumni, but the editor has repeatedly reverted it ( [23] [24] [25] [26]). In the talk page, he says that it's "silly trivia of no importance" and "not important enough to include in his article", with which I obviously disagree. I'd like to gather more input to determine a WP:CONSENSUS as to whether this information should be included, so any feedback at Talk:Ted Deutch#Inclusion of high school would be appreciated. I was hoping to keep the conversation there, not here on this noticeboard, so it's all in one place. Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 15:41, 24 November 2015 (UTC)