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In the lead, currently it says "In turn millennials are often the parents of Generation Alpha." referencingt cite 3. However, the source does not say this, it is inverted; in the source it says (about gen alpha) "The majority of their parents? Millennials." - this is the logical opposite of what is in the article, saying that millenials/geny are "often" the parents of gen alhpa. Early millenials have plenty of kids that are gen z, and absent statistical citations showing that there are more gen alpha than gen z born to millenials (at this time), the current statement is factually unsupported. Instead of being bold, I bring it up here, because of the semi-protected state of the article, for discussion, as a proposed edit, removing the quoted sentence in the first line of this discussion topic. The inverse sentence (from the cited source) would be appropriate on the gen alpha page, not here. Rilmallion ( talk) 18:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Unlucky just sounds like somebody who didn't want to bother doing research into how this happened. "If only there were some science that studied currency or wealth or societies that could shed light on why millenials rolled snake eyes". What a joke that is. 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Seriously?! "The me generation" "Me me me". Did you just look for the most pathetic hateful pandering you could find? 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
it just completely ignores that previous generations are still the majority of vacationers, and that their decisions are driven by economics - mostly a cheap peso. 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Minimum wages and free trade in America had no relation at all? It was ENTIRELY because china limited their population to one kid, for thirty years? 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
There's only reason why I've been saying the first Millennials were born in 1979: President Jimmy Carter said in his State of the Union address that year that "our children who will be born this year will come of age in the 21st century." That's the only reason for my edits to include details about Carter's State of the Union address about the first Millennials. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 ( talk) 23:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Many of the pics have subtitles like "scooters are popular among the young" or "youngsters at concerts", stemming from 2000-2010. It's been almost two decades, we're basically middle-aged by now.... time for some updates? Photos of Millennials doing Millennial stuff in the 2020s? Mantelmoewe ( talk) 10:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
I understand many sources say this generation is about 15 years long. However, the article says nothing about Strauss–Howe generational theory. S&H were very clear in previous books that generations are typically 20-25 years long, with a few exceptions such as Silent and Gen X which are smaller. The size of a generation is determined by it's age ie. Boomers are a big generation largely because they lasted for nearly 25 years. Because they were large size they dominated culture. The smaller generations were squeezed out to the margins. This article is saying in effect Millennials are a historically small generation, they only lasted 15 years. It makes no sense. I feel like this article cherry picked sources that support the 15 year age, and avoided reporting sources that give it a longer age, thus bigger size and bigger cultural influence.
What's happened now is every generation is 15 years old. Typically a generation is defined by a daughter -> mother -> grandmother. That's 3 generations. They typically last 20 to 25 years between them. Although these days more like 30 years. So I really do think the generations have gotten messed up, because every commercial interest wants to declare a new generation every couple years, because this is how they sell books, reports, consulting services, advertising, etc..
In any case, our article has no information as to what Strauss–Howe generational theory says is the length of the Millennial generation. Even though they were the first to coin and define it, and are probably the single most influential generation theory writers around. The last I read anything on this topic was a long time ago, but S&H were saying they believed it would end around 2006 or so, and be one of the biggest and most influential generations. Not the smaller shorter less influential generation this article defines. -- Green C Green C 17:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the lead, currently it says "In turn millennials are often the parents of Generation Alpha." referencingt cite 3. However, the source does not say this, it is inverted; in the source it says (about gen alpha) "The majority of their parents? Millennials." - this is the logical opposite of what is in the article, saying that millenials/geny are "often" the parents of gen alhpa. Early millenials have plenty of kids that are gen z, and absent statistical citations showing that there are more gen alpha than gen z born to millenials (at this time), the current statement is factually unsupported. Instead of being bold, I bring it up here, because of the semi-protected state of the article, for discussion, as a proposed edit, removing the quoted sentence in the first line of this discussion topic. The inverse sentence (from the cited source) would be appropriate on the gen alpha page, not here. Rilmallion ( talk) 18:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Unlucky just sounds like somebody who didn't want to bother doing research into how this happened. "If only there were some science that studied currency or wealth or societies that could shed light on why millenials rolled snake eyes". What a joke that is. 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Seriously?! "The me generation" "Me me me". Did you just look for the most pathetic hateful pandering you could find? 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
it just completely ignores that previous generations are still the majority of vacationers, and that their decisions are driven by economics - mostly a cheap peso. 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Minimum wages and free trade in America had no relation at all? It was ENTIRELY because china limited their population to one kid, for thirty years? 2604:3D09:D78:1000:7A9F:15B2:D016:1D91 ( talk) 05:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
There's only reason why I've been saying the first Millennials were born in 1979: President Jimmy Carter said in his State of the Union address that year that "our children who will be born this year will come of age in the 21st century." That's the only reason for my edits to include details about Carter's State of the Union address about the first Millennials. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 ( talk) 23:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Many of the pics have subtitles like "scooters are popular among the young" or "youngsters at concerts", stemming from 2000-2010. It's been almost two decades, we're basically middle-aged by now.... time for some updates? Photos of Millennials doing Millennial stuff in the 2020s? Mantelmoewe ( talk) 10:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
I understand many sources say this generation is about 15 years long. However, the article says nothing about Strauss–Howe generational theory. S&H were very clear in previous books that generations are typically 20-25 years long, with a few exceptions such as Silent and Gen X which are smaller. The size of a generation is determined by it's age ie. Boomers are a big generation largely because they lasted for nearly 25 years. Because they were large size they dominated culture. The smaller generations were squeezed out to the margins. This article is saying in effect Millennials are a historically small generation, they only lasted 15 years. It makes no sense. I feel like this article cherry picked sources that support the 15 year age, and avoided reporting sources that give it a longer age, thus bigger size and bigger cultural influence.
What's happened now is every generation is 15 years old. Typically a generation is defined by a daughter -> mother -> grandmother. That's 3 generations. They typically last 20 to 25 years between them. Although these days more like 30 years. So I really do think the generations have gotten messed up, because every commercial interest wants to declare a new generation every couple years, because this is how they sell books, reports, consulting services, advertising, etc..
In any case, our article has no information as to what Strauss–Howe generational theory says is the length of the Millennial generation. Even though they were the first to coin and define it, and are probably the single most influential generation theory writers around. The last I read anything on this topic was a long time ago, but S&H were saying they believed it would end around 2006 or so, and be one of the biggest and most influential generations. Not the smaller shorter less influential generation this article defines. -- Green C Green C 17:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)