Points of interest related to China on Wikipedia: Outline –  History –  Portal –  Category – WikiProject – Alerts – Deletions – Cleanup – Stubs – Assessment – Style – To-do

中華 / 中华 Welcome to WikiProject China
Main Navigation
Main Project Page Participants Notice and discussion board Assessment Cartography Collaboration Peer review Translation Article alerts Articles up for deletion Featured and good content China Portal ( changes)
Tools
Tools content Guidelines Manual of Style Naming conventions History standards Guide to writing better articles Announcements Article requests Articles up for deletion Featured article candidates Featured article reviews New articles To do Project category Templates Infoboxes Stubs WikiProject China talk page banner (doc) Popular pages (edit)
Workgroups
Workgroups content Arts and entertainment Cinema Geography Cities Hong Kong Hong Kong Transport Macau Provinces/Autonomous Regions Tibet see also WikiProject Taiwan Regions Pearl River Delta Government Politics History Three Kingdoms Historical states Military history Language Surnames CJKV task force Media Images Cartography Religion Buddhism Christianity Taoism Misc. Transportation (edit)
Chinese article statistics This list is automatically updated every night around 3 AM (UTC) view full worklist / quality log
v t e

Deletion Sorting Project
( talk) Project page Lists (by ABC) Lists (by topic) Lists (computer-readable) AfD: Today, Yesterday Delsort scripts
v t e

This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to China. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

Adding a new AfD discussion

Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:

1. Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
2. You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|China|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.

Note that there are a few scripts and tools that can make this easier.

Removing a closed AfD discussion

Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by a bot.

Other types of discussions

You can also add and remove links to other discussions ( prod, CfD, TfD etc.) related to China.

Further information

For further information see Wikipedia's deletion policy and WP:AfD for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.

This list is also part of the larger list of deletion debates related to Asia.

Purge page cache

watch

• See also: Wikipedia:China-related topics notice board

Master of Science in Global Finance

Master of Science in Global Finance (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This appears to be one program for one university that does not seem to be notable in itself. Sargdub ( talk) 00:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. Not only is it unsourced, a quick google search reveals it isn't exclusive to one or two university. 104.7.152.180 ( talk) 03:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance, Business, Education, China, Hong Kong, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Lusongyuan Hotel

Lusongyuan Hotel (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails GNG. Hardly anything in Google News for both English and Chinese name 北京侣松园宾馆 LibStar ( talk) 05:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Travel and tourism and China. LibStar ( talk) 05:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Found one passing mention here and nothing else. Does not appear to have notability. Note that the hotel might've been renamed per [1], does not appear to give any additional sources though. Just i yaya 05:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep Welp, I stand corrected. @ Cunard: you should make an AFD guide on whatever databases you use because somehow you are just so much better at finding these sources. Just i yaya 09:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Hi Justiyaya ( talk · contribs). Thank you for the kind words. When I participate AfDs, I find a lot of the sources through databases available through Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library as well as other databases I have access to. When searching for sources for AfD, the resources I find most useful are EBSCO, Gale ( Wikipedia:Gale), ProQuest, and Wikipedia:Newspapers.com, and to a much lesser extent Wikipedia:Newspaperarchive.com. I also have access to NewsBank which The Wikipedia Library is missing. NewsBank frequently has sources that the other databases don't have (and vice versa). I also do searches on Internet Archive, Google, Google Books, Google News, and Google Scholar. Cunard ( talk) 10:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete, fails WP:GNG and other notability requirement. Though search result presented some links, those are not significant to sustain this article. Piscili ( talk) 06:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: no indication of notability, even under the potential rename flagged by Justiyaya above. Chiselinccc ( talk) 09:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Edwards, Natasha (2002-06-01). "The Traveller: Short Breaks: 24-Hour Room Service Lu Song Yuan Hotel, Beijing". The Independent. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

     The review notes: "One exception, offering lashings of atmosphere and a taste of authentic China, is the Lu Song Yuan Hotel. The 19th-century courtyard dwelling was built for the fearless General Zeng Ge Ling Qin. After serving as a rather run-down hostel for 30 years, the Lu Song Yuan was bought in 1997 by the Hong Kong-based Silk Road Hotel Management Company, and reopened as a Culture Hotel in 1998 after extensive renovation. The hotel spreads over five courtyards; the main one, where you can sit for a drink, opens off the restaurant."

  2. Wang, Dandan (2001-08-17). "Lu Song Yuan a "Siheyuan" hotel". Beijing Today. Retrieved 2024-05-28 – via Internet Archive.

     The review notes: "The hotel was the former residence of the relatives of Qing royal family and is surrounded by historic buildings. Zenggelinqin, the first owner of the house, is described as a national hero in the film “Burning Yuanmingyuan”. ... The Lu Song Yuan hotel is built around four charming traditional courtyards. It includes an outdoor lounge, bamboo gardens and a grape garden. Many of the rooms open onto one of the courtyards. The hotel has 59 guest rooms, which are tastefully furnished with replicas of Ming dynasty furniture. There is a business center, which provides an English speaking secretarial service, copying, fax, internet access, as well as ticketing and foreign currency exchange. "

  3. Biggs, Cassie (2004-07-11). "Boutique hotels in Beijing". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

     The article provides 149 words of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "In the 19th century the two-storey Lu Song Yuan Hotel was the private residence of General Zeng Ge Ling Qin, one-time defence minister and regarded as the "Great Wall" of the Qing Court. Reasonably priced and centrally located in a hutong just north of Bei Hai Park, the hotel has been on the backpacker trail for some time and can be busy. But with four courtyards, a bamboo grove and a grape garden, there's more than enough space for a spot of solitude. The best suites open onto a tiny courtyard at the back where you can sit and sip tea, listen to the birds and contemplate the hotel's 170 years of history. Or you can hop in a rickshaw and go for a spin around the hutongs, many of which haven't changed since their Kublai Khan days. Rooms range from US$10 dormatories to $100 suites with private courtyards"

  4. Chen, Stephen (2008-07-13). "Games worse for hotel trade than the 1989 crackdown". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

     The article notes: "The Lusongyuan Hotel in Beijing's Banchang hutong has thrived since the last time the Dalai Lama checked in and roamed its courtyards in his pyjamas, according to some of the elderly people who live in the alley. For half a century, the former imperial residence in central Beijing has been a stopover for senior government officials, diplomats and, lately, overseas tourists. ... The occupancy rate at the hotel hit a low this month - even lower than the July after the bloodshed in Tiananmen Square in 1989. ... The hotel, now owned by Hong Kong businessman Peter Wong Man-kong as part of Culture Resources Development, has modernised its bathrooms, added broadband internet access and Wi-fi, established a 24-hour multilingual service hotline, and reprinted their service guide to cover the Olympic Games and sports venues."

  5. Less significant coverage:
     1. Izon, Lucy (1992-01-19). "Melbourne Hostel: It's Not in the Books". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

        The article notes: "After several delays, China’s first internationally affiliated youth hostel is due to open this month. Although it’s expected to be a little more expensive than some of the budget hotels favored by backpackers in Beijing, it will be a good place to meet fellow travelers and share information on getting around within this vast country. The 60-bed hostel is located in a traditional four-courtyard-style building, which was originally the Lu Song Yuan Hotel"

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lusongyuan Hotel, also known as Lu Song Yuan Hotel ( simplified Chinese: 北京侣松园宾馆; traditional Chinese: 北國情侶松園賓館), to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 10:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: LibStar ( talk · contribs), Justiyaya ( talk · contribs), Piscili ( talk · contribs), and Chiselinccc ( talk · contribs), I found some sources about this hotel. Most of the sources call the hotel "Lu Song Yuan Hotel" rather than "Lusongyuan Hotel", which may be why sources were hard to find. The hotel may have been the residence of the Qing general Sengge Rinchen (if the South China Morning Post quote "General Zeng Ge Ling Qin, one-time defence minister" refers to him). Would you review the sources? Thank you, Cunard ( talk) 10:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Hi Cunard ( talk · contribs), thanks for this research and the ping! As this is one of the first AfDs I've participated in, and I'm doing so in part so I can observe discussions and learn more about evaluating RSes, I am probably not a good person to judge these, so I will eagerly await input from our other peers you've tagged.

That being said, these *look* like decently significant coverage to my "newbie" eyes, and particularly your find about the Qing general! Looking forward to see what others think, if they concur with your assessment I'd love to help you in patching these sources in to build article content from them. (Also, apologies, I'm trying to indent this as a response in sourcecode but I'm not sure I did so properly) Cheers! Chiselinccc ( talk) 11:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thank you for reviewing the sources, Chiselinccc ( talk · contribs), and for your interest in patching the sources in to build article content from them! I participate in many AfDs so don't always have time to add the sources to the article since searching for sources is time-consuming. (I've adjusted the indentation of your comment so that it's nested under my comment.) Cunard ( talk) 06:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep Cunard's sources look like GNG to me. I wish I had NewsBank access :( PARAKANYAA ( talk) 05:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Grand Hyatt Beijing

Grand Hyatt Beijing (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This article has only 1 source in 18 years of existence. Google News comes up with PR type stories or routine coverage of a staff member doing something. Nothing in-depth and third party to meet GNG. LibStar ( talk) 04:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Travel and tourism and China. LibStar ( talk) 04:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, it fails all notability guidelines. Search result brought nothing. Piscili ( talk) 05:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Piscili ( talk · contribs), I found some offline sources below. Would you review? Thank you, Cunard ( talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, notability per nom. I can find endless blogger reviews and PR/press releases, but not a single RS addressing this article's topic! Chiselinccc ( talk) 09:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Chiselinccc ( talk · contribs), I found some offline sources below. Would you review? Thank you, Cunard ( talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. "旅館評：北京東方君悅大酒店" [Hotel Review: Grand Hyatt Beijing]. Next Magazine (in Chinese). 2002-08-29.

     The review notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店的英文全名頗長，叫GRAND HYATT BEIJING AT ORIENTAL PLAZA，在二○○一年十月開幕。 位置北京的心臟王府井。 七八棟高層大廈匯集在一起，蔚為奇觀。 飯店是中國最大的商務建築群東方廣場的一部分，旁邊有一棟一棟的高級公寓和辦公大樓。 從這裡走出去就是全北京最熱鬧的王府井大街，再遠一點可以步行到故宮和天安門去。 整間飯店，官方宣傳文字上說像傳統四合院的格局，其實是一個U字形的建築，分成東翼和西翼。 這次陪著金庸先生下榻，他住一六○一房，我住一○一六房，剛好是一頭一尾。"

     From Google Translate: "The full English name of Grand Hyatt Beijing is quite long, called GRAND HYATT BEIJING AT ORIENTAL PLAZA. It opened in October 2001. Location Wangfujing, the heart of Beijing. Seven or eight high-rise buildings come together to form a spectacle. The hotel is part of Oriental Plaza, the largest business building complex in China, and is adjacent to high-end apartments and office buildings. Walking out from here is Wangfujing Street, the busiest street in Beijing. A little further away, you can walk to the Forbidden City and Tiananmen Square. The entire hotel, according to the official promotional text, is shaped like a traditional courtyard house, but it is actually a U-shaped building, divided into an east wing and a west wing. This time I stayed with Mr. Jin Yong. He lived in room 1601 and I lived in room 1016, which happened to be one end of the room."

  2. Wu, Xueming 吳學銘 (2002-11-12). "老北京 新酒店 令君悅" [Old Beijing. New Hotel. Grand Hyatt Beijing]. Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese). p. B7.

     The article notes: "北京東方君悅酒店自去年底試行營業以來，至今已屆滿一年，住房率屢創新高，成為北京和中國飯店市場的新話題。位在北京王府井大街上，現是中國最大的商務建築群猁北京東方廣場內的東方君悅大酒店，是現代西方酒店和超級商場的綜合性產物。"

     From Google Translate: "It has been one year since the Grand Hyatt Beijing Oriental opened on a trial basis at the end of last year. The occupancy rate has reached record highs and has become a new topic in Beijing and the Chinese hotel market. Located on Wangfujing Street in Beijing, it is now the largest business building complex in China and the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Beijing Oriental Plaza. It is a comprehensive product of modern Western hotels and super shopping malls."

     The article notes: "走進東方君悅酒店，第一眼的感覺是它不太像凱悅集團酒店的格調，倒有點像香港的海逸酒店，最代表性的該是大廳內獨一無二的那顆水柱型風水球，配合精心的流水設計，創造東方式的流動平衡感。中國人那種講求「流水聚財」的觀念，在東方君悅表現很明顯。"

     From Google Translate: "When you walk into the Grand Hyatt Oriental, your first impression is that it doesn’t quite resemble the style of a Hyatt hotel, but rather resembles the Harbor Plaza Hotel in Hong Kong. The most representative one is the unique water column-shaped Feng Shui ball in the lobby. Combined with the careful flowing water design, it creates an oriental flow and balance. The Chinese concept of "gathering wealth by flowing water" is very obvious in Grand Hyatt Oriental."

  3. "北京東方君悅酒店住宿新體驗" [New accommodation experience at Grand Hyatt Beijing]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2002-01-30. p. D3.

     The review notes: "坐落於中國最大的商務建築群東方廣場之中，呈新月形、門外設有偌大噴泉的北京東方君悅大酒店給人非一般豪華感覺。... 由在亞洲居住了20 年的美國攝影師George Mitchell 所拍攝的黑白照片與陳設摩登的客房配合起來，不但沒有格格不入的感覺，好像筆者這種對老北京文化還未深切認識，但又充滿好奇的 遊人看起來，反而另有趣味。... 最喜歡吃的筆者在這數天裡，可謂大快朵頤。 設於飯店大廳中樓層，配備了一個開放式廚房的凱菲廳 (右下圖) 更是筆者的心頭愛。 "

     From Google Translate: "Located in the Oriental Plaza, the largest business building complex in China, the Grand Hyatt Beijing Oriental Hotel, which is crescent-shaped and has a huge fountain outside the door, gives people an extraordinary sense of luxury. ... The black-and-white photos taken by George Mitchell, an American photographer who has lived in Asia for 20 years, match the modernly furnished guest rooms. Not only do they not feel out of place, it seems like the author, who has not yet deeply understood the culture of old Beijing, but is full of curiosity. From the perspective of tourists, it is actually something else interesting. ... The author, who loves to eat the most, had a great time in these few days. Located on the middle floor of the hotel lobby and equipped with an open kitchen, the Kaffi Hall (pictured below right) is my favorite."

  4. "東方君悅 諧與酒店" [Grand Hyatt Oriental Harmony Hotel]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2001-12-29. p. D1.

     The article notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店位於東長安街一號，位處北京中心地區，集時尚商舖與辦公室於一隅，旁邊是著名鋪與辦公室於一隅，旁邊是著名鋪的公屋大王府。酒店建成後才交由君悅管理，"

     From Google Translate: "Grand Hyatt Beijing is located at No. 1 East Chang'an Street, in the central area of ​​Beijing. It has fashionable shops and offices in one corner. Next to it are famous shops and offices in the same corner. Next to it is the famous public housing estate Grand Palace. After the hotel was completed, it was handed over to Grand Hyatt for management."

  5. "北京東方君悅屢奪魁" [Grand Hyatt Beijing wins the championship again and again]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2006-02-27. p. C1.

     The article notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店自○一年開業以來，先後在多個國內外的酒店評選中奪魁，共獲頒三十項殊榮，踏入○六年僅兩個月，亦已獲頒五項殊榮 ，其中最新獲著名旅遊雜誌「亞洲目的地」(Destin Asian)評選為本年度北京最受歡迎飯店。 至於今年已獲得之獎項分別為：獲「胡潤百富———富豪之選」選為本年度富豪最喜愛的品牌酒店、「私家地理」選為五百家世界最佳酒店、「Conde Nast Traveler」(美國)選為亞洲五十家最佳飯店等。"

     From Google Translate: "Since its opening in 2001, Grand Hyatt Beijing has won the first place in many domestic and foreign hotel selections, and has been awarded a total of 30 awards. In just two months since 2006, it has also been awarded five awards. , which was recently selected as the most popular hotel in Beijing this year by the famous travel magazine "Destin Asian". As for the awards received this year, they are: selected as this year's favorite brand hotel by the rich by "Hurun Report - Rich People's Choice", selected as one of the 500 best hotels in the world by "Private Geography", "Conde Nast Traveler" "(U.S.A.) was selected as one of Asia's 50 Best Hotels, etc."

  6. Events held at the hotel:
     1. Li, Chun 李春 (2019-10-01). "中共建政七十周年 北京觀禮 林鄭傍晚趕返港" [The 70th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China. Watching the ceremony in Beijing, Carrie Lam rushes back to Hong Kong in the evening]. United Daily News (in Chinese). p. A10.

        The article notes: "香港特首林鄭月娥率兩百四十人觀禮團抵北京，出席中共建政七十周年活動。以港府官員、建制派成員、商界為主體的香港代表團，獲安排住東長安街的東方君悅大酒店，酒店保安嚴密。"

        From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor led a viewing group of 240 people to Beijing to attend the 70th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China. The Hong Kong delegation, which is composed of Hong Kong government officials, members of the pro-establishment camp, and the business community, was arranged to stay at the Grand Hyatt Hotel on East Chang'an Street. The hotel has tight security."

     2. "NBA快訊 小布 李小龍粉絲" [NBA News: Xiaobu, Bruce Lee fan]. World Journal (in Chinese). 2010-07-27. p. Sports 2.

        The article notes: "在北京東方君悅大酒店舉辦簽書會上，小布為他親自撰寫的圖書「科比24」召開媒體見面會暨新書簽售活動。"

        From Google Translate: "Lakers star Kobe Bryant embarked on a business trip to China on the 26th. In the evening, he held a book signing event at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Beijing. Bryant held a media meeting for his personally written book "Kobe Bryant 24". and book signing event."

     3. "姚明 補請中國隊友 將與葉莉赴歐洲度蜜月" [Yao Ming invites Chinese teammates to replace him. He and Ye Li will go to Europe for their honeymoon]. World Journal (in Chinese). 2007-08-10. p. D1.

     The article notes: "今晚的北京東方君悅大酒店「高人林立」，中國男、女籃球隊教練員、隊員悉數現身出席姚明、葉莉的宴會。王治郅、易建聯、隋菲菲等人組成的「巨人陣」外加「中國高度」姚明，今晚的宴會有望成為中國歷史上平均海拔最高的「私人聚會」。"

     From Google Translate: "Tonight, Beijing's Grand Hyatt Oriental Hotel is "full of distinguished people". The coaches and players of the Chinese men's and women's basketball teams all showed up to attend Yao Ming and Ye Li's banquet. The "Giant Formation" composed of Wang Zhizhi, Yi Jianlian, Sui Feifei and others plus "Chinese Height" Yao Ming, tonight's banquet is expected to become the "private party" with the highest average altitude in Chinese history."

  7. Less significant coverage:
     1. "Fodor's Expert Review: Grand Hyatt Beijing". Fodor's. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

        The review notes: "The wow factor at this top-notch hotel—close to Tiananmen Square and the Forbidden City—comes from its huge glass facade and extraordinary lagoon-like swimming area: above its lush vegetation, waterfalls, and statues, a "virtual sky" ceiling imitates different weather patterns. "

     2. "Grand Hyatt Hotel Beijing". AFAR. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

        The review notes: "From the lobby, the Grand Hyatt Beijing is another grand hotel with soaring ceilings and windows, polished marble floors, and an attentive staff. Two levels below the lobby, however, is one of the most unique and spectacular wonders ever seen in a hotel: an enormous grotto!"

     3. "Hyatt Opens Its First Hotel in Beijing". Los Angeles Times. 2001-12-09. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.

        The article notes: "Hyatt International Corp., which runs six hotels in China, is opening its first one in Beijing, complete with parking for 12,000 bicycles. About 200 of the 591 rooms at the Grand Hyatt Beijing have been opened; the rest are to open by April."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Grand Hyatt Beijing ( simplified Chinese: 北京东方君悦大酒店; traditional Chinese: 北京東方君悅大酒店; pinyin: Běijīng Dōngfāng Jūnyuè Dàjiǔdiàn) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Qupital

Qupital (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Can't find anything meeting NCORP, most of the results were the usual ORGTRIV funding announcements. Oddly enough Forbes (Contributor) article was in the regular tab and not News, guess Google is filtering them out now? Results for 橋彼道 (or 桥彼道, they didn't seem to care much) were pretty much the same, Sogou might have been slightly better than Baidu for this one but nothing of note there either. There's an article in Cifnews (雨果网) but it's a paid placement (properly marked, won't bother going into their reliability). I judge WP:NONENG to be very unlikely also. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 13:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance, Companies, and China. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 13:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources about the subject in my searches for sources that were not about funding or partnernship announcements ( 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) or an interview with the founders that does not provide significant coverage of the company. Qupital ( traditional Chinese: 橋彼道; simplified Chinese: 桥彼道) does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria. Cunard ( talk) 05:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Hunan Coal Group

Hunan Coal Group (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

I did WP:BEFORE and searched for independent reliable sources to establish the notability of the subject as per WP:GNG and WP:NCORP, but I found nothing that can establish notability. Here is a breakdown of cited sources:

• 1: http://www.hnmyjt.com/Item/2.aspx (This is the official website of the Company and is WP:PRIMARY, so it can't establish notability, The full article is just rely on this source)
• 2: https://www.hunan.gov.cn/hnszf/hnyw/zwdt/201212/t20121210_4719900.html (A government site, can't really establish notability, Just listed hundreds of companies in China)
• 3: https://clb.org.hk/en/content/hunan-coalminers-strike-over-privatization-plans (Just Passing mention to Hunan Coal Group and the article is only about the "Strike" of the workers of the company, not about the company.
• 4: https://caijing.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/20/WS60f66c85a3101e7ce975a86d.html (The article is talking about the history of coal in Hunan, no coverage of the Hunan Coal Group at all. Also, At the end, the article mentions:"(Author Liao Jianxiang is Secretary and Chairman of the Party Committee of Hunan Coal Group Co., Ltd.")
• 5: https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2018-05/22/content_5292722.htm (Government site, Even I skip that part, the article does not give in-depth coverage of the subject, it talk about the Jailed of Chairman of Hunan Coal Industry) GrabUp - Talk 12:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and China. GrabUp - Talk 12:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

This article has been reviewed and rated Stub-class, which means it is a promising starting article, though large space remains for improvement.

Hunan Coal Group is a large coal mine company of more than 30,000 employees, the largest in Hunan Province of China. This fact alone may make it worthwhile for an introduction in wiki.

As for the reliability of the sources, I will discuss later. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 00:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Ctxz2323: As you said, “Hunan Coal Group is a large coal mining company with more than 30,000 employees, the largest in Hunan Province of China. This fact alone may make it worthwhile for an introduction in Wiki.” From which Wikipedia rule did you get this information? Go and read WP:NCORP. It requires multiple in-depth coverages from reliable, independent sources to establish notability. It doesn’t really matter how big the company is; if the company is significant, it should obviously get coverage from reliable sources. Also, an article getting reviewed does not guarantee that it will be there forever. GrabUp - Talk 03:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Xie, Chunyang 谢春阳 (2008-02-29). "湘煤集团损失巨大急需援手" [Hunan Coal Group has suffered huge losses and is in urgent need of help]. China Coal News [ zh (in Chinese).

     The article notes: "在今年年初我国南方部分地区遭受的罕见冰雪灾害中，湖南省煤业集团(以下简称湘煤集团)遭受巨大损失，在恢复和重建过程中急需有关部门伸出援手。 今年1月中旬以来的冰雪灾害持续时间长，破坏性大，历史罕见．给湘煤集团造成了巨大损失， 此次灾害申，湘煤集团的51对矿井停电15天至25天，其中停电5昼夜以上的矿井21对，停电15昼夜以上的矿井11对，停电25昼夜以上只能采用柴油机发电保井的矿井5对。"

     From Google Translate: "In the rare ice and snow disaster that hit parts of southern my country at the beginning of this year, Hunan Coal Group (hereinafter referred to as Hunan Coal Group) suffered huge losses and urgently needed help from relevant departments in the recovery and reconstruction process. The ice and snow disaster since mid-January this year lasted for a long time, was extremely destructive, and is rare in history. The disaster caused huge losses to Xiang Coal Group. According to the disaster, 51 pairs of mines of Xiang Coal Group were without power for 15 days to 25 days, including 21 pairs of mines with power outages for more than 5 days and nights, 11 pairs of mines with power outages for more than 15 days and nights, and 25 pairs of mines with power outages for 25 days and nights. The above 5 pairs of mines can only use diesel engines to generate electricity to protect the mines."

  2. Xin, Wen 欣文 (2008-02-27). "湘煤集团受灾矿井抓紧排水" [Hunan Coal Group's disaster-stricken mines pay close attention to drainage]. China Coal News [ zh (in Chinese).

     The article notes: "本报讯1月中旬以来拘冰冻灾害，导致湖南电网严重受损，造成大面积停电，致使湘煤集团51对生产矿井中，有44对矿井不同程度遭受了淹井、淹水平的重创。 ． 目前，湘煤集团正抓紧受灾五_L井排水工作，力争早日恢复生产。 据统计，此次冰灾中，因矿井停产、设备损毁、旁屋倒塌和各项救灾投入给湘煤集团造成的损失已超过5亿元，有十多万职工家属正常生活受到严重影响。"

     From Google Translate: "This newspaper reported that the freezing disaster since mid-January has caused serious damage to Hunan's power grid and caused widespread power outages. As a result, 44 of the 51 pairs of production mines of the Hunan Coal Group have suffered varying degrees of flooding. At present, Hunan Coal Group is stepping up the drainage work of the disaster-stricken 5_L well and striving to resume production as soon as possible. According to statistics, during this ice disaster, the losses caused to Hunan Coal Group by mine shutdowns, equipment damage, side building collapses, and various disaster relief investments exceeded 500 million yuan, and the normal lives of more than 100,000 employees' family members were severely affected."

  3. Yue, Guanwen 岳冠文 (2006-06-20). "湘煤集团成立" [Hunan Coal Group was established]. Changsha Evening News (in Chinese). p. A6.

     The article notes: "湖南煤业集团(简称湘煤集团)是以涟邵矿业集团、白沙煤电集团、资兴矿业集团、长沙矿业集团、湘潭矿业集团和省辰溪煤矿6家国有骨干煤炭企业重组而成的大型企业。其中前三家进入2005年全国煤炭工业100强企业行列。"

     From Google Translate: "Hunan Coal Group (referred to as Xiang Coal Group) is a large-scale enterprise reorganised from six state-owned backbone coal enterprises: Lianshao Mining Group, Baisha Coal and Electricity Group, Zixing Mining Group, Changsha Mining Group, Xiangtan Mining Group and the provincial Chenxi Coal Mine. Among them, the first three entered the ranks of the top 100 enterprises in the national coal industry in 2005."

  4. Ruan, Xiaoqin 阮晓琴 (2006-06-20). "湘煤集团昨日正式挂牌，计划进军内蒙古与山西开矿" [Hunan Coal Group was officially listed yesterday and plans to enter Inner Mongolia and Shanxi to open mines]. Shanghai Securities Journal (in Chinese).

     The article notes: "湘煤集团由湖南省6家国有骨干煤炭企业重组而成：涟邵矿业集团、白沙煤电集团、资兴矿业集团、长沙矿业集团、湘潭矿业有限责任公司和湖南辰溪煤矿。其中前三家进入2005年全国煤炭工业100强企业行列。这6家企业集中主要省属煤炭资源，资产组成十分优良。据悉，组建后的湘煤集团拥有生产矿井50对，总资产为40亿元，3年后煤炭产量将达到1000万吨。... 该集团的组建，正式吹响了湖南省新一轮煤炭资源整合升级行动的号角。"

     From Google Translate: "Hunan Coal Group was reorganised from six state-owned key coal enterprises in Hunan Province: Lianshao Mining Group, Baisha Coal and Electricity Group, Zixing Mining Group, Changsha Mining Group, Xiangtan Mining Co., Ltd. and Hunan Chenxi Coal Mine. Among them, the first three entered the ranks of the top 100 enterprises in the national coal industry in 2005. These six companies concentrate mainly on provincial coal resources and have very good asset composition. It is reported that after establishment, the Xiang Coal Group has 50 pairs of production mines with total assets of 4 billion yuan. Coal output will reach 10 million tons in three years. ... The establishment of the group officially sounded the clarion call for a new round of coal resource integration and upgrading actions in Hunan Province."

  5. Tang, Zhenwei 唐振伟 (2013-07-01). ""煤电互保"政府间博弈升级 "三西"煤深受其害. 湘煤集团并未从中受益" [The inter-governmental game on "mutual guarantee of coal and electricity" escalates, and coal in the Three West Regions is deeply affected by it. Hunan Coal Group did not benefit from this]. Securities Daily (in Chinese). p. C2.

     The article notes: "公开资料显示，在今年4月22日召开电煤运行形势座谈会上，湖南经信委副主任杨晓晋在会上要求火电企业要优先采购湘煤集团、资江煤业集团等省内生产的电煤"

     From Google Translate: "Public information shows that at a symposium on thermal coal operation situation held on April 22 this year, Yang Xiaojin, deputy director of Hunan Economic and Information Technology Commission, asked thermal power companies to give priority to purchasing electricity produced in the province such as Hunan Coal Group and Zijiang Coal Industry Group."

     The article notes: "5月，12家火电企业从省内煤矿企业购进电煤量有所提高，但从湘煤集团购进的煤量仍在逐步下降。上述数据显示，湖南省内最大的煤炭企业湘煤集团并未从“煤电互保”中受益。对此，有分析人士认为，湖南的“煤电互保”政策保护了事实上中小煤企，不利于淘汰落后产能。"

     From Google Translate: "In May, the amount of thermal coal purchased by 12 thermal power companies from coal mining companies in the province increased, but the amount of coal purchased from Xiang Coal Group was still gradually declining. The above data shows that Hunan Coal Group, the largest coal company in Hunan Province, has not benefited from the "coal and electricity mutual guarantee". In this regard, some analysts believe that Hunan's "coal and electricity mutual guarantee" policy actually protects small and medium-sized coal companies and is not conducive to the elimination of backward production capacity."

  6. Li, Tieqiao 黎铁桥 (2009-03-25). "湘煤集团 新疆勘探到百亿吨煤田将成 为湖南新的能源供应基地" [Hunan Coal Group. Xinjiang has discovered 10 billion tons of coal fields and will become a new energy supply base in Hunan]. Changsha Evening News (in Chinese). p. A4.

     The article notes: "据介绍,湘煤集团于2008年底与新疆有关方面签署协议，获得在吐鲁番、哈密等地200亿吨煤炭资源开采权，并成立湘煤集团新疆能源有限公司。近日，湘煤集团在吐鲁番沙尔湖煤田钻井探煤,发现厚达151.14米的煤层。"

     From Google Translate: "According to reports, the Hunan Coal Group signed an agreement with relevant parties in Xinjiang at the end of 2008, obtaining the right to mine 20 billion tons of coal resources in Turpan, Hami and other places, and established the Hunan Coal Group Xinjiang Energy Co., Ltd. Recently, Hunan Coal Group was drilling for coal in the Shaerhu Coalfield in Turpan and discovered a 151.14-meter-thick coal seam."

  7. "湘煤集团挖掘产能 增产确保电煤供应" [Hunan Coal Group explores production capacity and increases production to ensure thermal coal supply]. 中经网 [China Economic Net] (in Chinese). 2008-07-21.

     The article notes: "作为我省基础能源供应主力的湘煤集团，克服年初冰灾带来的重大影响，在部分骨干矿井停产达30天的情况下，上半年仍供应电煤131.4万吨，比去年同期增加10.5万吨。冰灾期间，湘煤集团51对矿井中，有44对不同程度受损。"

     From Google Translate: "As the main provider of basic energy in our province, Xiang Coal Group overcame the major impact of the ice disaster at the beginning of the year. Even though some backbone mines were suspended for 30 days, it still supplied 1.314 million tons of thermal coal in the first half of the year, an increase of 105,000 tons over the same period last year. Ton. During the ice disaster, 44 of the 51 pairs of mines of the Xiang Coal Group were damaged to varying degrees."

  8. Li, Junjie 李俊杰 (2016-02-15). Yan, Lu 閆璐; Du, Yanfei 杜燕飛 (eds.). "湘煤集團總經理李義成涉嫌違紀被查 曾遭網友舉報" [Li Yicheng, general manager of Hunan Coal Group, was investigated for suspected disciplinary violations and was reported by netizens]. People's Daily (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-05-26. Retrieved 2024-05-26.

     The article notes: "湖南省煤業集團有限公司是經湖南省人民政府批准設立的大型省屬國有獨資企業，是全國煤炭50強企業，是該省政府確定的全省能源保障主平台和重點支持加快發展的企業。據悉，該公司於2006年6月19日挂牌成立，現旗下擁有全資、控股子公司37家，擁有煤礦總數60個，總設計生產能力3000萬噸/年。"

     From Google Translate: "Hunan Coal Industry Group Co., Ltd. is a large-scale provincial state-owned enterprise established with the approval of the Hunan Provincial People's Government. It is one of the top 50 coal enterprises in the country. It is the main platform for energy security in the province and an enterprise determined by the provincial government to focus on accelerating development. It is reported that the company was established on June 19, 2006. It now has 37 wholly-owned and holding subsidiaries, a total of 60 coal mines, and a total designed production capacity of 30 million tons per year."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hunan Coal Group, or Xiangmei Group ( simplified Chinese: 湘煤集团; traditional Chinese: 湘煤集團; pinyin: Xiāngméi Jítuán), full name Hunan Provincial Coal Industry Group (湖南省煤业集团有限公司), to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 09:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Cunard: But where are the links for me to verify them? How can I confirm that these sources are reliable? Additionally, the majority of them are only a paragraph or two . How can this be considered in-depth coverage of the subject? These are trival mentions, Read WP:SIGCOV to know what In-depth coverage means. GrabUp - Talk 09:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

These are offline sources. The quotes I provided are not the full articles. For most of the articles, there is more coverage of the company that I did not quote. The quotes I provided are sufficient to demonstrate the company meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Significant coverage, which says: "The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization."

Cunard ( talk) 10:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Cunard: Offline articles is a very good excuse to my question, that how can I or someone verify them? Also, you can add whatever you want and justify them to establish notability. There is no proof that these coverages are from reliable independent secondary sources. GrabUp - Talk 10:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

With the responses "a very good excuse" and "you can add whatever you want", there is nothing substantive I can or want to say in response. Cunard ( talk) 10:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Cunard: Hey, I want to know how and where you get these articles. I mean, obviously, you don't have all these printed copies in your home, so I just want to know where you search and get them. GrabUp - Talk 10:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the sources found by Cunard. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 03:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Mx. Granger: May I know where you confirmed that these coverage are real and are from reliable secondary sources? GrabUp - Talk 04:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  I also feel that, as a reviewer, GrabUp should be more neutral and objective. At the beginning of this page, you said:

  "I did WP:BEFORE and searched for independent reliable sources to establish the notability of the subject as per WP:GNG and WP:NCORP, but I found nothing that can establish notability. Here is a breakdown of cited sources: ..."

  Let me put some words on your comments.

  • 1: http://www.hnmyjt.com/Item/2.aspx (This is the official website of the Company and is WP:PRIMARY, so it can't establish notability, The full article is just rely on this source)

  ctxz2323: But getting some data and facts, instead of self-flattering words, from there may be ok.

  • 2: https://www.hunan.gov.cn/hnszf/hnyw/zwdt/201212/t20121210_4719900.html (A government site, can't really establish notability, Just listed hundreds of companies in China)

  ctxz2323: Again, the citation was for a historical fact, i.e., to support the sentence "In 2009, Hunan Coal Group, China Telecom, and Datang Telecom Group jointly established Hunan Black Gold Times (湖南黑金时代).". And that is a provincial government webite, a very high one.

  • 3: https://clb.org.hk/en/content/hunan-coalminers-strike-over-privatization-plans (Just Passing mention to Hunan Coal Group and the article is only about the "Strike" of the workers of the company, not about the company.

  ctxz2323: Contributed by another editor, but I don't think it is useless.

  • 4: https://caijing.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/20/WS60f66c85a3101e7ce975a86d.html (The article is talking about the history of coal in Hunan, no coverage of the Hunan Coal Group at all. Also, At the end, the article mentions:"(Author Liao Jianxiang is Secretary and Chairman of the Party Committee of Hunan Coal Group Co., Ltd.")

  ctxz2323: The history of coal in Hunan is relevant to the Hunan Coal Group, as shown by its title "湘煤集团：汲取红色动能 建设百年湘煤" (Google translate: "Xiang Coal Group: absorb red kinetic energy and build a century-old Hunan Coal Group".). And the source China Daily is maybe the largest English newspaper in China.

  • 5: https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2018-05/22/content_5292722.htm (Government site, Even I skip that part, the article does not give in-depth coverage of the subject, it talk about the Jailed of Chairman of Hunan Coal Industry) GrabUp - Talk 12:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  ctxz2323: From Xinhua News Agency? Its news is widely used even internationally.

  On the whole, I agree that the wiki article is far from perfect, but not so bad as should be deleted. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 08:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Ctxz2323: Your breakdown does not provide any logic to pass WP:SIGCOV or WP:GNG. Passing mentions from government sites (primary sources) can’t establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 08:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  These sources are just trival mentions as per WP:ORGTRIV. GrabUp - Talk 08:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  The ping didn't work, just so you know. I am assuming good faith that the quotes Cunard provided are real, not fake. The sources generally look like reliable WP:NEWSORGs. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 14:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  So, no proof or links; your vote is based on assumption. Thanks for your reply, but this does not convince me that these sources are reliable secondary sources. GrabUp - Talk 14:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Thanks for your reminding (though sounds a bit too tough).

  I have just added 2 English sources accessible on the Net. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 23:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Ctxz2323: The first source is from Bloomberg, not a news coverage. Just a small page with intro of the company, not an in-depth coverage at all. The second source is from Wood Mac, an Analytic company, the article does not provide in-depth coverage just a summary and because it is an analytics, is fails under WP:ORGTRIV which says “standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage, such as:

  of quarterly or annual financial results and earning forecasts,” GrabUp - Talk 03:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak Keep Sources 1 and 5 seem to be WP:NCORP qualifying from a glance, and thats enough to make the company pass the guideline. WP:OFFLINE sources are allowed to be used to meet notability guidelines, and if someone has reason to believe someone is making up sources they are happy to go to WP:ANI with evidence to discuss the matter further. Jumpytoo Talk 05:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Jumpytoo: The first source is from Bloomberg; it's not a news article or anything similar, just a company page with one paragraph:

  • Hunan Coal Group Co. Ltd. mines, processes, and distributes coal products. The Company produces anthracite coals, coking coals, lean coals, general bituminous coals, and other products.

  Just this nothing else,

  The second source is from CLB. The article is about the strike of the workers but does not provide in-depth coverage of the company. The article mentions:

  • Several thousand workers at the Hunan Coal Industry Group have entered the tenth day of a strike in a protest over the company’s proposed privatization and stock exchange listing plans.
  • The strike began on 22 August when managers at the group’s Jinzhushan mine in central Hunan tried to force miners starting their shift to sign lay-off compensation agreements that took no account of how long they had worked at the mine. Those who refused to sign the agreement were not allowed to work.

  In these two paragraphs, the first mentions Hunan Coal Industry Group, and the second reports that they are forcing workers to work. How do these meet WP:NCORP? This is not significant or in-depth coverage as per WP:SIGCOV. GrabUp - Talk 09:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Regarding offline sources, there is a section named “ Challenging offline sources” that you can read. It allows me to challenge offline sources, and so I am challenging these offline sources. GrabUp - Talk 09:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  To clarify, I mean Cunard's sourcing list, not whatever sourcing is in the article. The sources I mention specifically contain negative coverage which generally have the NCORP required intellectual independence. Per the link you provided on challenging online sources, They might even be able to provide you a scan or an excerpt from that source, which Cunard already did in their vote. And as per WP:OSO, If an editor seeking deletion believes the creator placed fictitious references in the article to make a hoax seem legitimate, the burden of proof is on the one seeking deletion. Jumpytoo Talk 09:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Just google "Hunan Coal Group" on the net, and you will see quite a bit coverage hard to ignore. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 01:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Ctxz2323: I have already provided an analysis of the cited sources. If you would like, you can share your ‘Hard to Ignore’ sources, and I will gladly analyze them for you. GrabUp - Talk 03:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Martha O'Kennon

Martha O'Kennon (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Retired professor with single-digit number of publications, one with 24 citations on Google Scholar and all the rest less than 10, far from enough for WP:PROF. All sources are by her or from her employer, inadequate for WP:GNG. This was already draftified and restored to article space (by copy & paste) without any significant improvement; for draft history see [2]. — David Eppstein ( talk) 00:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. — David Eppstein ( talk) 00:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Mathematics, Computing, China, Michigan, New York, and Virginia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 08:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Record looks far short of WP:NPROF, and no other notability is apparent. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 09:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. She also does not meet WP:BASIC. I found one news article talking about art pieces she makes, and nothing more. DaffodilOcean ( talk) 10:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Search turned up nothing to meet notability on any standard. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 13:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Nothing came up in a search that would indicate any sort of notability. Also of note, the article creator Davidpgca ( talk · contribs) appears to be a WP:SPA dedicated to writing articles on Albion College related people and topics, including a number that may or may not meet notability standards. nf utvol ( talk) 15:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Comment that, looking through images contributed by Davidpgca [3], all the images appear to be tagged as "own work". That appears to be true for very few of them (in particular, not for the ones that are 80 years old). Anyone know how to report at Commons? Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 20:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  I noticed that myself. I have gone in and tagged the items that are not clearly in the public domain for removal on the basis that this user is not the owner of the works. nf utvol ( talk) 01:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete per nom. She seems to have led a neat life, but not one that rises quite to the level of encyclopedic notability. BD2412 T 16:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete, as per the arguments above. - Samoht27 ( talk) 17:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. The citability data is quite low, and there is nothing else to indicate passing WP:PROF on other grounds. Nsk92 ( talk) 17:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete since subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMIC by a cricket yard. - The Gnome ( talk) 13:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Wang Qingyun

Wang Qingyun (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, and China. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Already PROD'd so Soft Deletion is not an option.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Skating-related deletion discussions. Owen× ☎ 12:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Wang Meng (figure skater)

Wang Meng (figure skater) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and China. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep there is sufficient independent coverage.-- Wish for Good ( talk) 04:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Skating-related deletion discussions. Owen× ☎ 12:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Devapāla's Conflict with Tibet

Devapāla's Conflict with Tibet (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Poor attempt of the author to keep Pala Tibetan War from AFD. Same content with different title. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pala Tibetan War. Imperial ^[AFCND] 14:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, China, and India. Imperial ^[AFCND] 14:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep Devapāla's Conflict with Tibet has no issues like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pala Tibetan War as you said.
  This article is Notable and has been given significant coverage by reliable sources.

• Devapāla came into conflict with Tibet, there is nothing impossible in this because Tibetan sources claim that their kings Khri-srong-lda-btsan and his son Mu-teg-btsan-po subdued India and forced Raja Dharma- pala to submit. Devapāla also may have come to clash with them and defeated them. ^[1]
• Devapāla might have come into conflict with Tibet; there is nothing impossible in this because Tibetan sources claim that their kings Khri-Srong-Ida-Btsan and his son Mu-teg-Btsan-po subdued India and forced Dharma- pāla to submit. Devapāla also may have clashed with them and defeated them ^[2]

Based Kashmiri ( talk) 15:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Please stop listing down this big {{tq}} here. It was already a mess at the earlier discussion. Comment down if you've any possible arguments that could potentially save the article. I am pretty sure you haven't read what WP: NOTABILITY, and this reflects everywhere in the AFD. Long paragraphs are not the factor that determines whether it passes GNG or not. And I can see you've duplicated the text twice here. Imperial ^[AFCND] 19:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

This event is notable and has received significant coverage in Reliable Sources ( WP:RS) and it passes WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV and this isn't WP:OR since reliable sources mention the event as Devapāla's Conflict with Tibet.
Also what do you mean by "And I can see you've duplicated the text twice here."?? I gave you two reliable sources which mentions the event in a similar way. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 04:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Based Kashmiri, what you've done is exposed plagiarism. They mention the event in a similar way because one source plagiarized the other, not because this is a conventional way to write about this. -- asilvering ( talk) 19:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply

As per the WP:DEL-REASON guideline, there is no reason to delete this article and I have provided multiple reliable sources about this event here in the replies below. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Do we have evidence that one of these sources plagiarised the other? Cortador ( talk) 06:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. This is obviously a recreation of the previously deleted article. It does have a better title, in that it is no longer claiming there was a "Pala Tibetan War", but this is the same issue. We can write about this hypothetical conflict (one of the sources you list above even says "might have"!) on Devapala (Pala dynasty). If eventually we find sources to justify a separate article, we can spin out out from Devapala (Pala dynasty). But we did not find those sources in the last AfD, so I doubt we will find them here either. While I'm looking at that article, I note that we also have the sentences There is nothing impossible as the Tibetan sources claim that their kings Khri-srong-lda-btsan and his son Mu-teg-btsan-po subdued India and forced Dharmapāla to submit. Therefore, Devapāla must have also clashed with and defeated the Tibetan kings. Not only does this not follow the sources (our article says "must have", while neither source says so), it is obviously plagiarism. -- asilvering ( talk) 19:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  This is not a recreation of the previously deleted article, also this article doesn't have any issues like that article, if you think there is any issue in this article then list them down.
  The previous article had issues with the "Dharmapāla's Conflict with Tibetans" section and the "Conflict with Nepal" section, which is excluded from this article. This article focuses on the conflict between Devapala and Tibet, with reliable sources mentioning the event as "Devapala's Conflict with Tibet." The main problem with the previous article was the uncited title, but this article provides reliable sources to support its claim. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 15:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  I don't mean "it literally contains the exact same words as the previous article". If that were the case, it could just be nominated for speedy deletion. I mean "it is in effect the same article with the same problems", which is true. At least one of the two reliable sources you brought up above appears to be plagiarized, so not only is this not two separate sources with in-depth coverage, it's only one source with very brief coverage. This can easily be written about on Devapala (Pala dynasty) if necessary. (But I'd advise against plagiarising a plagiarised source to do so.) -- asilvering ( talk) 19:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  This article cannot be deleted for the reasons you've provided, as per the Wikipedia deletion policy WP:DEL-REASON.

  Additionally, here are some additional reliable sources about this event:

  • (1)
  • (2)
  • (3)
  • (4)

  Based Kashmiri ( talk) 11:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  These sources do not support your case. -- asilvering ( talk) 17:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Then explain how? Also you still haven't given any reasons to delete this article from as per the Wikipedia's deletion policy WP:DEL-REASON. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 04:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  The reason for deletion is simple, and it is the most common deletion reason that exists: this does not pass WP:GNG. We need multiple reliable, secondary sources that discuss the topic in depth. -- asilvering ( talk) 10:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

:Delete per asilvering and Imperial Okmrman ( talk) 04:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Blocked sock. Owen× ☎ 05:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

They do not have any valid reason to delete the article, Please provide a valid reason from WP:DEL-REASON. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 08:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Okmrman And I just checked your User contributions and noticed you have voted for deletion for every single AFD you had discovered EVERY MINUTE, without even reading anything. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 08:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Both @ Asilvering and @ ImperialAficionado haven't provided any valid reason to delete this article from WP:DEL-REASON, how can you agree with them? Based Kashmiri ( talk) 08:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 05:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete , this is simply not notable and has wrongly been re-created as an article with a different name. If this goes on a topic ban would be in order for the editor. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 09:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

---

• Note to closer: I think I can improve this article based on the concern raised in this discussion, let me work on this article further. I'd request the closer to please draftify it so I can improve this article. Based.Kashmiri ^(🗨️) 04:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete I don't see enough evidence that this needs a standalone article. Even if it does when all history is put together, it's clear the author does not yet have the requisite experience to write that article. It would have to be started from scratch and by a more experienced editor, which can be them in the future, but I think deleting is best for now to put an end to the disruption. Usedtobecool  ☎️ 03:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Master of Science in Global Finance

Master of Science in Global Finance (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This appears to be one program for one university that does not seem to be notable in itself. Sargdub ( talk) 00:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. Not only is it unsourced, a quick google search reveals it isn't exclusive to one or two university. 104.7.152.180 ( talk) 03:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance, Business, Education, China, Hong Kong, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

WeLab

WeLab (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WPNCORP, GNG. Poor and not-independent sources BoraVoro ( talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Cohan, Peter S. (2018). Startup Cities: Why Only a Few Cities Dominate the Global Startup Scene and What the Rest Should Do About It. New York: Apress. p. 64. ISBN  978-1-4842-3392-4. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.

     The book notes: "Two Hong Kong gazelles are the Uber-for-delivery-vans-service GogoVan and WeLab, which operates a personal lending platform. ... whereas WeLab's ascent appears to have been smoother sailing."

     The book notes: "WeLab's story is less dramatic but another great example of a gazelle becoming a unicorn. Cofounder and CEO Simon Loong started WeLab in 2013 after over 15 years in the banking sector. ... In 2013, he founded WeLab, a mobile lending platform that uses risk-testing technology to conduct credit assessments in seconds and enables customers to borrow money with a few taps of their smartphones. Now valued at more than $1 billion, it was Hong Kong's first tech unicorn and its WeLend leading online lending platform has sourced more than “$154 million in loan applications and 16,000 members.” By January 2016, WeLab had loaned money to 2.5 million customers, the majority in mainland China. That month WeLab raised a $160 million Series B from Khazanah Nasional Berhad, Malaysia's strategic investment fund, with participation from ING Bank and Guangdong Technology Financial Group, which is run by the Chinese government, leading to total funding of $182 million."

  2. Leung, Grace L K (2019). Innovative and Creative Industries in Hong Kong: A Global City in China and Asia. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge. ISBN  978-1-138-06849-0. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.

     The book notes: "WeLab: founded in 2013, WeLab is reinventing traditional financial services by creating seamless mobile lending experiences. WeLab effectively analyzes unstructured mobile big data within seconds to make credit decisions for individual borrowers. WeLab operates Wolaidai, one of China's leading mobile lending platforms, and WeLend, Hong Kong's leading online lending platform. The company also partners with traditional financial institutions, which utilize WeLab's technology to offer Fintech-enabled solutions to their customers. WeLab did 6 rounds of funding exercises and raised a total of US$425 million. Her investors include CK Hutchison's TOM Group, Malaysian sovereign wealth fund Khazanah Nasional Berhad, ING Bank, Sequoia Capital and Chinese provincial government fund: Guangdong Technology Financial Group. In 2016, WeLab was ranked in a KPMG-sponsored report as one of the top 100 Fintech companies in the world – sixth in China and 33rd globally."

  3. Fannin, Rebecca A. (2019). Tech Titans of China: How China’s Tech Sector Is Challenging the World by Innovating Faster, Working Harder & Going Global. London: Nicholas Brealey Publishing. ISBN  978-1-52937-451-3. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.

     The book has a section titled "AI at Work in Fintech: WebLab". The book notes: "An example of AI disrupting traditional banking comes from Hong Kong-based fintech startup WeLab, which provides small consumer loans in an online instant, with fewer than average defaults by relying on AI and data to determine creditworthiness. WeLab technology combs through online data such as bill payment records and social media profiles to figure out which potential borrowers are likely to pay their loans on time. Then it prices and tailors online consumer loans. Consumers complete the entire lending process over their smartphone and don't need an established credit history—an issue among young people starting in their careers. Loan decisions for individual borrowers are made online within seconds. One hint: don't fill out the online form in all capital letters. WeLab has found applicants who write in upper case are not good credit risks. A technology team of more than 210 engineers and data scientists have ..."

  4. Mohan, Devie (2020). The Financial Services Guide to Fintech: Driving Banking Innovation Through Effective Partnerships. London: Kogan Page. p. 102. ISBN  978-1-78966-106-4. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.

     The book notes: "WeLab is a Hong Kong start-up that was founded in 2013, and which became the first peer-to-peer lending platform in the country. WeLab enables users to borrow money as personal loans from other indi- viduals while delivering lower interest rates than traditional banks. WeLab makes this process as easy as possible, with an online application form and relatively short assessment process being the only barriers to accessing credit. One of the fascinating initiatives implemented by WeLab is Wolaidai, a mobile peer-to-peer lending platform for top-tier university students in China. With the founder of WeLab, Simon Loong, having experience in the commercial banking industry at Citibank and Standard Chartered, this fintech solution draws on experts in the traditional financial system, while taking on some of its biggest proponents. We will undoubtedly see more of this in the years to come."

  5. Rubini, Agustín (2019). Fintech in a Flash: Financial Technology Made Easy. Boston: De Gruyter. p. 136. ISBN  978-1-5474-1716-2. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.

     The book notes: "Founded in 2013, WeLab is a Hong Kong-based internet finance company that uses exclusive risk management technology to analyze Big Data and offer reliable credit services to individual borrowers in the Asian market. WeLab operates two leading online lending platforms, Wolaidai in China and WeLend in Hong Kong, seeking to offer its customers a seamless mobile lending experience. Furthermore, the company has partnerships with traditional financial institutions, which use WeLab's sophisticated credit risk management tools to use Big Data analytics and offer their customers advanced fintech solutions. In January, WeLab raised $160 million in Series B funding from domestic and international investors, including Khazanah Nasional Berhad wealth fund, ING Bank, and state-owned Guangdong Technology Financial Group (GTFG). This was the first time that funds were raised by a Chinese fintech firm and one of the first times that an international financial institution (ING) financed a leading Chinese fintech player."

  6. Less significant coverage:
     1. Lo, John Y. (2016). Angel Financing in Asia Pacific: A Guidebook for Investors and Entrepreneurs. Bingley, West Yorkshire: Emerald Group Publishing. p. 27. ISBN  978-1-78635-128-9. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.

        The book notes: "There appears to be a consensus that the startup scene in Hong Kong has taken a quantum jump in the last five years. A major breakthrough in January 2016 is probably the announcement of the receipt of US$160 million investment in a Series B financing by WeLab. This is a local fintech startup that specializes in peer-to-peer lending technology and operates both in Hong Kong and mainland China. While not publicly disclosed, the valuation of the company has been estimated to be near US$1 billion, qualifying it as the first unicorn24 from Hong Kong."

     2. Gough, Neil (2014-06-16). "Start-Up WeLab Raises $14 Million From Sequoia Capital and Hong Kong Tycoon". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2023-09-19. Retrieved 2024-05-27.

        The article notes: "WeLab Holdings, an Internet finance start-up in Hong Kong, said on Monday that it had raised $14 million from Li Ka-shing, Asia's richest man, and Sequoia Capital, a stalwart of Silicon Valley."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow WeLab to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 08:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

On top of the sources found by @ Cunard I'd add:

• Financial Times article profiling the company. This is an earned media feature article, not an interview.
• Forbes with a short market report (which I suspect was leaked by Loong)
• Forbes again with a feature on the company. This one is a nice profile but clearly based on an interview with Loong.

Keep This is a major fintech player in Asia Pacific, and although WeLend has its own article this is the parent that also includes Mainland platform Wolaidai as well as a bank in Indonesia I think. There are other bits and pieces out there, at the paragraph scale similar to those found by Cunard, but I think the FT piece along with the Forbes 2022 piece should be enough. Oblivy ( talk) 10:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance, Companies, and Hong Kong. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

The Furious

The Furious (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Does not have sufficient independent significant coverage for a standalone article. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 05:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Hong Kong. jlwoodwa ( talk) 07:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Kenji Tanigaki: There are only two sources which only covered the announcement of this film's production (one from Variety [4] and one from Comingsoon.net [5]). I did a search for Chinese sources, but nothing came up. I don't know Thai, so maybe some other Wikipedians can perform additional searches for Thai sources to see if there are something I have missed. Regardless, the film is unlikely to be unnotable in the future, given the cast and the high budget invested by Edko Films, and it would be mentioned in some other articles (eg, the director and the actors' biography). So a redirect to the director, Kenji Tanigaki, would be more ideal at the moment. — Prince of Erebor（ The Book of Mazarbul） 08:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College

G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, primary, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth  //  Timothy ::  talk  02:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Hong Kong. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:

  All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)

  Sources
  1. Lam, Yim-hung 林艷虹 (2022-11-24). "優才（楊殷有娣）書院 特色課程培育多元人才" [G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College's special courses cultivate diverse talents]. Hong Kong Economic Journal (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "優才（楊殷有娣）書院（下稱優才）為直資一條龍學校，小學初小部（小一至小三）位於旺角校舍，高小部（小四至小六）及中學部（中一至中六）則設於將軍澳校舍。 ... 值得一提的是，優才以推動資優教育見稱，校名英文縮寫G.T.，G代表Gifted，即與生俱來的天賦；T是Talent，表示每一個小朋友都有獨特才華，因此提供多元特色課程來培育孩子。"

     From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (hereinafter referred to as G.T.) is a one-stop school under the Direct Subsidy Scheme. The lower primary section (Primary 1 to Primary 3) is located in the Mong Kok campus, the upper primary section (Primary 4 to Primary 6) and the secondary section (Secondary 1 to 6 ) is located at the Tseung Kwan O campus. ... It is worth mentioning that Youcai is well-known for promoting gifted education. The English abbreviation of the school name is G.T., G stands for Gifted, which is innate talent; T stands for Talent, which means that every child has unique talents, so it provides diverse Special courses to nurture children."

  2. Hui, Lok-hang 許珞珩; Cheung, Wai-ting 張瑋婷 (2022-10-24). "升小備戰｜直資優才(楊殷有娣)書院小學部　5層架構推動資優教育" [Preparing for primary school entrance｜Directly gifted G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College 5-tier structure promotes gifted education] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "優才（楊殷有娣）書院小學部共有兩個校舍，小一至小三的初小部校舍位於旺角洗衣街，高小與中學部則共用將軍澳調景嶺嶺光街校舍。學校由天才教育協會會長李業富教授於1996年創辦，多年來均實行小班教學及分組學習形式，老師會按學生的能力及長處分成小組，每班6組、每組約4人，不同科目也採用此形式上課。"

     From Google Translate: "The primary school of G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College has two school buildings. The junior school building for primary one to primary three is located on Sai Yee Street, Mong Kok. The upper primary school and the secondary school share the Ling Kwong Street school building, Tiu Keng Leng, Tseung Kwan O. The school was founded in 1996 by Professor Li Yipfu, President of the Gifted Education Association. For many years, it has implemented small class teaching and group learning. Teachers will divide students into groups according to their abilities and strengths. Each class has 6 groups with about 4 people in each group. Different subjects are also included in the school. Take this class."

  3. Hui, Melody (2023-05-09). "優才小學5.13開始報名 校長分享3大面試貼士 小朋友有一個特質最重要" [G.T. Primary School starts registration on May 13. The principal shares 3 interview tips. There is one trait that is most important for children.]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [ zh. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "直資一條龍小學優才（楊殷有娣）書院小學部每年吸引超過3,000人報讀小一，學校推行獨特的教學模式，及深受家長喜歡小班教學，以每級5班、每班不超過26人，每年提供約130個小一學位，平均27人爭1學位，競爭非常激烈。本周六（13日）為2024／25年度小一報名日期，陳偉傑校長回覆記者查詢時，分享學校的教學特式、面試貼士及模式。優才最吸引家長的其中一個原因是一條龍學校，逾九成學生直升中一，而中學部同時開辦中學文憑試（DSE）及國際預科文憑（IB）雙軌課程，小學學生在無需面對升中選校的壓力下，可充分享受校園學習生活。"

     From Google Translate: "The primary section of the DSS one-stop primary school Youcai (Yang Yin Youdi) College attracts more than 3,000 students to apply for primary one every year. The school implements a unique teaching model and is well received by parents for its small class teaching. There are 5 classes per level and no more than 26 students per class. There are about 130 primary one places available every year, and an average of 27 people compete for one place. The competition is very fierce. This Saturday (13th) is the registration date for Primary One students in 2024/25. When responding to reporters’ inquiries, Principal Chen Weijie shared the school’s teaching style, interview tips and models. One of the reasons why Youcai is most attractive to parents is that it is a one-stop school, with more than 90% of students going directly to Form 1. The secondary school also offers dual-track courses of Diploma of Secondary Education (DSE) and International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB), so primary school students do not have to face Under the pressure of choosing a school for high school, you can fully enjoy campus study life."

  4. Chan, Yik-chiu 陳奕釗. "香港學校｜優才(楊殷有娣)書院壓縮正統課程 特色教學培育優秀學生" [Hong Kong School｜G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College compresses the orthodox curriculum and cultivates outstanding students with unique teaching]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "優才(楊殷有娣)書院特別注重兩文三語、語文能力及溝通技巧。學校不單實行普教中，更讓學生學習法文、韓文、日文、意大利文及西班牙文等第三語言。... 成績方面，學校前年出了3位IB狀元，在全球3,500所IB高中學校中名列第11，香港則排名第3。2023年該校學生IB成績亦不俗：有一個45分狀元、兩個44分榜眼。而本屆69位畢業生中，該校有86%同學在Jupas獲得好成績，能入讀心儀大學及課程，"

     From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College pays special attention to biliteracy, trilingualism, language proficiency and communication skills. The school not only provides general education, but also allows students to learn third languages ​​such as French, Korean, Japanese, Italian and Spanish. ... In terms of results, the school produced three IB top scorers the year before last, ranking 11th among 3,500 IB high schools in the world, and Hong Kong ranked third. The IB results of the school's students in 2023 are also good: there is one top scorer with a score of 45, two top scorers Second place with 44 points. Among the 69 graduates this year, 86% of the school’s students obtained good results in Jupas and were able to enter the university and course of their choice."

  5. "Direct Subsidy Scheme Schools". South China Morning Post. 2009-06-13. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "Founded in 1997 as a private school and turned DSS in 2002. Merged with Chi Kit School in 2004. Multiple intelligence approach emphasising creativity, self-esteem and social responsibility. Class size: Primary 24; Secondary 24-26. School-based and activity-based curriculum. Over 50 talent classes, run by part-time tutors in small groups, offered twice a week as part of the curriculum. Regular visits to museums and other places of interest. Enhancement for gifted children. Secondary curriculum will lead to HKCEE, HKALE, and other public benchmark tests, IB Diploma may be offered in 2009. Medium of instruction: Primary: Cantonese, with English taught by native speakers. Secondary: English, except Chinese and Chinese history."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College ( traditional Chinese: 優才（楊殷有娣）書院; simplified Chinese: 优才（杨殷有娣）书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 08:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability.  //  Timothy ::  talk  12:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• I did not find any evidence of the sources being "based on the same info/source" since they discuss different aspects of the school. WP:SIRS is part of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, a non-profit educational institution like G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College needs to meet only Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which this school does. Cunard ( talk) 08:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per Cunard's sources. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 09:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Hong Kong Chinese Christian Union Logos Academy

Hong Kong Chinese Christian Union Logos Academy (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth  //  Timothy ::  talk  02:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools, Christianity, and Hong Kong. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep and rename to Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:

  All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)

  Sources
  1. Lin, Zhong 林钟; Deng, Shaobing 邓少冰 (2014). "走进香港真道书院小学" [Visit Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy]. 七彩语文（习作） [Colourful Language (Exercises)] (in Chinese). No. 10. East China Normal University. ISSN  1673-4998. Retrieved 2024-05-15 – via CQVIP [ zh.

     Colourful Language (Exercises) is a magazine published by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University. According to this description from Google Translate, "Colourful Language (Exercises) was officially launched in January 2015, with academic guidance provided by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University. The magazine is closely linked to the reform of basic education curriculum and strives to provide suitable resources and platforms for middle school Chinese teachers to meet the needs of teachers for daily teaching and improvement of professional qualities."

     The abstract notes: "本期的＂大眼睛看世界＂,小编将和大家一起走进香港一所名校——香港华人基督教联会真道书院。真道书院位于香港调景岭湾畔,学校分小学和中学部,与其他学校不同,真道书院学生没有统一的校服。小学部学生在中文课上使用的是内地出版的小学语文课本,他们觉得教材文字优美,内容包含了古今中外的文化特色,和浓厚的道德教育元素，很符合小学语文教育的需要。"

     From Google Translate: "In this issue of "Seeing the World with Big Eyes", the editor will go with you to a famous school in Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Union Logos Academy is located on the shores of Tiu Keng Ling Bay in Hong Kong. The school is divided into primary and secondary schools. Unlike other schools, students at Union Logos Academy do not have uniforms. Students in the primary school use primary school Chinese textbooks published in the Mainland in their Chinese classes. They feel that the textbooks are beautifully written, contain cultural characteristics of ancient and modern times, Chinese and foreign cultures, and have strong moral education elements, which are in line with the needs of primary school Chinese education. ... In the first two years of elementary school, Union Logos Academy expects students to lay a solid foundation of knowledge and learn self-care, self-study and self-reflection skills. The school focuses on constructing a school-based curriculum and uses some Chinese and art textbooks from the Mainland."

  2. Lok, Irene (2015-05-11). "將軍澳一條龍直資 香港華人基督教聯會真道書院 中小學" [Tseung Kwan O One-stop Direct Subsidy Scheme. Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Primary and Secondary Schools]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [ zh. Archived from the original on 2024-05-24. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     Lok, Irene (2015-05-11). "將軍澳一條龍直資 香港華人基督教聯會真道書院 中小學" [Tseung Kwan O One-stop Direct Subsidy Scheme. Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Primary and Secondary Schools]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [ zh. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "2002年創校的真道年資較其他直資學校淺，被定為新派直資學校，卻是全港唯一採用「十一年一貫」課程模式的學校，分兩年基礎階段、五年拓展階段及四年通達階段，以十一年完成小學及中學課程。 ... 在小學首兩年基礎階段，真道期望學生打穩知識基礎，學好自理、自學及自省能力。學校着力建構校本課程，採用部分內地中文及美術科教材"

     From Google Translate: "Founded in 2002, Union Logos Academy has a younger school years than other DSS schools and is designated as a new DSS school. However, it is the only school in Hong Kong that adopts the "11-year consistent" curriculum model, which is divided into two years of basic stage and five years of expansion stage. and the four-year mastery stage, which takes eleven years to complete the primary and secondary school courses. ... In the first two years of elementary school, Union Logos Academy expects students to lay a solid foundation of knowledge and learn self-care, self-study and self-reflection skills. The school focuses on constructing school-based curriculum and adopts some mainland Chinese and art textbooks."

  3. A, Yin 阿言 (2024-02-01). "專訪｜香港華人基督教聯會真道書院 多元體驗式學習培育未來領袖" [Exclusive Interview｜Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy's diversified experiential learning cultivates future leaders] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "學校著重學生全方位發展，學生從小學便培育體、美特質，提供多項興趣班予學生選擇，如跳繩、跆拳道、琵琶及烏克麗麗等。另外，為培養學生閱讀習慣，自小學階段設有閱讀時間，同學在操場集合一同閱讀，從小學階段養成自己探索知識的習慣。中學則設有 DEAR Time（Drop Everything And Read），讓學生暫時放下功課及其他事務，專心閱讀。學校更會舉辦不同活動，如閱讀馬拉松、圖書日、書展等讓同學接觸不同類型的書籍，鼓勵學生閱讀。"

     From Google Translate: "The school focuses on the all-round development of students. Students develop physical and aesthetic qualities from elementary school, and provides students with a variety of interest classes to choose from, such as rope skipping, taekwondo, pipa and ukulele. In addition, in order to cultivate students' reading habits, reading time is set up from the primary school level. Students gather in the playground to read together, and develop the habit of exploring knowledge by themselves from the primary school level. Middle schools have DEAR Time (Drop Everything And Read), which allows students to temporarily put aside their homework and other matters and concentrate on reading. The school also organizes different activities, such as reading marathons, book days, book fairs, etc., to expose students to different types of books and encourage students to read."

  4. Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2021-06-02). "【直資中學】一條龍11年完成小學中學課程　真道書院雙軌制曾出產IB狀元" [[Direct Subsidy Scheme Secondary School] One-stop primary school and middle school courses completed in 11 years. Union Logos Academy’s dual-track system has produced IB top scorers]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "位於將軍澳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院屬中小學直資一條龍學校，也是全港唯一以11年完成小學及中學課程的學校。真道書院既提供中學文憑試課程（DSE），同時開辦國際文憑課程（IB），學生在公開試成績優異，過去亦曾誕生IB狀元。"

     From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O is a one-stop school under direct subsidy for primary and secondary schools. It is also the only school in Hong Kong that completes primary and secondary school courses in 11 years. Union Logos Academy not only provides the Diploma of Secondary Education Examination (DSE) course, but also offers the International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB) course. Students have achieved excellent results in public examinations, and IB top scorers have also been born in the past."

  5. Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2023-10-10). "直私面試丨直資真道書院2023年小一面試題目 老師話+傳豆袋考小朋友反應" [Direct Private Interview丨Direct Subscription Union Logos Academy Primary One Interview Questions 2023 Teacher’s Words + Bean Bag Test Children's Responses]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-24. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2023-10-10). "直私面試丨直資真道書院2023年小一面試題目 老師話+傳豆袋考小朋友反應" [Direct Private Interview丨Direct Subscription Union Logos Academy Primary One Interview Questions 2023 Teacher’s Words + Bean Bag Test Children's Responses]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

     The article notes: "位於將軍澳區直資學校的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，即提供本地文憑試（DSE）課程，同時開辦國際文憑（IB）課程，多年來深受家長歡迎。真道書院小一面試有兩輪，第一輪是小朋友自行面試，若成功通過會進入第二輪面試，家長也會獲邀出席，TOPick邀請了為女兒報考7間直私小學的港媽梁太，拆解真道書院小一面試第一階段考核的内容。"

     From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, located in the direct subsidy school in Tseung Kwan O District, provides local Diploma Examination (DSE) courses and also offers International Baccalaureate (IB) courses. It has been popular among parents for many years. There are two rounds of primary one interviews at Union Logos Academy. The first round is for children to interview on their own. If they successfully pass, they will enter the second round of interviews. Parents will also be invited to attend. TOPick invited Mrs. Leung, a mother from Hong Kong who applied for her daughter to seven direct private primary schools to dismante the contents of the first stage of the primary school interview at Union Logos Academy."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy ( traditional Chinese: 香港華人基督教聯會真道書院; simplified Chinese: 香港华人基督教联会真道书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 09:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• The article should be renamed to Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy (add the word "Churches" after "Christian" and before "Union") to match the name on the website. Cunard ( talk) 09:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability. //  Timothy ::  talk  12:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• I did not find any evidence of the sources being "based on the same info/source" since they discuss different aspects of the school. WP:SIRS is part of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, a non-profit educational institution like Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy needs to meet only Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which this school does. Cunard ( talk) 08:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment These sources aren't doing what they're purported to be. Source 1 appears to be the equivalent of a WP:TRADES publication. Sources 2, 4 and 5 are brief listings of multiple school options, no significant coverage. (Moreover, 4 and 5 are on the Hong Kong Economic Times' "TOPick" subsite, which appears to be a advertorial Daily Mail-style infotainment site, not a reliable source.) Source 3 is described as an "interview," which is a primary source and thus not eligible to validate notability. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 22:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• The first source, a magazine published by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University, is not equivalent to a WP:TRADES publication. It is an academic magazine, not a trade magazine. For the second source, I linked to the wrong article because when scrolling to the bottom of the article, the website changes the URL to the next article. I've fixed the link. The incorrect link did not mention the school. The updated link is a full article about the school.

  The third source contains sufficient non-interview content to amount to significant coverage. The fourth source discusses other schools but provides significant coverage of this school. Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline says, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material."

  For the fifth source, I linked to the wrong article for the same reason discussed above. I've fixed the link. The fifth article is about the school's interview process and is significant coverage.

  I consider TOPick to be a reliable source. According to this information from a Telum panel discussion with the Hong Kong Economic Times Group about TOPick:

  Editorial team

  Around 30 journalists and editors, each contributing five stories daily.

  An independent editorial and video team oversees each sector.

  Editorial focus

  80 per cent on parenting and health, 20 per cent on entertainment, celebrity and lifestyle.

  Parenting: general parenting news and education information through a section called 「Band 1 學堂」, which features information on kindergarten, primary and secondary school, elite education and overseas study.

  The publication has journalists, editors, and an independent editorial team. It is not an "advertorial" site. It aims to inform its readers about parenting and education topics. Cunard ( talk) 08:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. See my comments on the sources above; I do not believe they are sufficiently reliable nor offer enough significant coverage to meet GNG or NORG. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 22:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • All five sources provide significant coverage. For two of the sources, I linked to the wrong pages owing to how the website changes the URL to the next article when scrolling to the bottom of the current article. I've fixed the links. Cunard ( talk) 08:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

    I reviewed the new links and stand by my assessment. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 13:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete as per Dclemens1971 assessment. I don't believe the additional sources found help with notability. LibStar ( talk) 03:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment: I am surprised that reliable sources from a Chinese academic journal and Hong Kong newspapers are considered insufficient to establish notability. Sources likely these previously have been sufficient to establish notability for schools, which must meet only Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and not Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which "establishes generally higher requirements for sources that are used to establish notability than for sources that are allowed as acceptable references within an article".

  An alternative to deletion is to merge to Tiu Keng Leng#Education, where this school is located. School articles should be merged, not deleted, when there is a suitable alternative to deletion.

  A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future.

  Cunard ( talk) 03:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  So are you now !voting for merge not keep? LibStar ( talk) 03:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  My first choice is a keep. My second choice is a merge if consensus is against a standalone article. The five sources I've listed were found through a Google search. Since editors consider them insufficient to establish notability, I will do a more exhaustive search for print sources. These are sources that cannot be found in a Google search. It takes a lot more time to do this exhaustive search, so I usually do the Google search approach first.

  The first source I found casts an unflattering light on the school as it says that 20% of the teachers resigned owing to being overworked. Here is the source:

  1. "真道書院9教師呈辭" [9 teachers from Union Logos Academy resign]. The Sun (in Chinese). 2005-08-04. p. A12.

     The article notes: "在電視節目《殘酷一叮》三連霸的「莫生」莫凱謙現正就讀的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，今年將有五分一教師共九人離職，有教師指離職原因是因為工作辛苦。"

     From Google Translate: "One-fifth of the teachers from Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, where Mok Kai-him, who won three consecutive championships in the TV program "Cruel One", is currently studying, will resign this year. Some teachers said that the reason for resigning was because of the hard work."

     The article notes: "○二年創校的真道書院是一間直資一條龍學校，中小學共用約五十名教師，當中有近兩成共九名教師，在今學年完結後離任。"

     From Google Translate: "Founded in 2002, Union Logos Academy is a direct subsidy one-stop school with a total of about 50 teachers in primary and secondary schools. Among them, nearly 20%, a total of nine teachers, resigned after the end of this school year."

  I will keep searching for sources and when I'm done, I will post the rest of the sources here. I will do this within the next few hours. Cunard ( talk) 04:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: I explained above why I didn't search for these sources earlier. I have found numerous additional sources about the school. I omitted the numerous positive articles and have focused on the negative articles since there were concerns earlier about the sources being "marketing" or "promotion". I think these sources should be sufficient to establish notability. If they are not, I could continue my search for sources since these are only some of the hundreds of results about the school that I found. Here are the additional sources.
  1. The Sun article about 20% of the school's teachers resigning for being overworked 2005 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFThe_Sun_article_about_20%_of_the_school's_teachers_resigning_for_being_overworked2005 ( help)
  2. Articles about the school's primary school students being disallowed in 2008 from participating in a competition because of how its academic system is different from other schools':

     Sources

     Chen, Qiuxia 陳秋霞 (2008-02-25). "真道小六生列學生參賽 學體會評級方式惹非議" [Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy Primary 6 students participate in the competition, and the learning experience grading method has attracted criticism]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). p. A9. The article notes: "西貢區的香港華人基督教聯會真道學院第六年辦學，一直採用「兩年基礎階段+五年拓展階段+四年通達階段」的十一年中小學一條龍教學制度，不同於現行「六年小學+五年中學”十一年中小學教育。若依年齡劃分，現時真道二百二十一位就讀「拓階四」的學生是傳統的「小六生」，不過該階段學生接受政府中學資助，○七/○八年中學概覽內也劃分他們為「中一生」。" From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Council Zhendao College in Sai Kung District is in its sixth year of operation. It has been using an eleven-year one-stop teaching system for primary and secondary schools of "two years of basic stage + five years of expansion stage + four years of mastery stage", which is different from the current "six-year" "Primary school + five years of secondary school" eleven years of primary and secondary education. If divided by age, the current 221 students of Zhendao who are studying in "Top Level 4" are traditional "Primary 6 students". However, students at this stage receive government secondary school subsidies and are also classified in the 2007/08 Secondary School Profile. They are "middle life"." "真道「小學生」被禁參賽風波" [Controversy over Logos Academy's "primary school students" being banned from participating in the competition]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2008-02-26. p. F1. The article notes: "以十一年中小學學制為賣點的將軍澳香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，想不到其與別不同的學制，引起一場小學生停賽風波。第六年在該校就讀的拓展階段四年級(DS4)學生，尷尬地處於中小學的中間點，學界體育聯會西貢區小學分會認為，DS4學生既接受中學資助，應被界定為中學生，故此禁止參加本學年剩餘的小學際與區際比賽。" From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O, which sells its eleven-year primary and secondary education system, unexpectedly caused a controversy among primary school students due to its different academic system. The expansion stage fourth grade (DS4) students who study in the school for the sixth year are awkwardly in the middle point between primary and secondary schools. The Sai Kung District Primary School Branch of the School Sports Federation believes that DS4 students should be defined as secondary school students since they receive secondary school subsidies. They are prohibited from participating in inter-elementary and inter-district competitions for the remainder of the school year." "直資校參加學界賽腰斬" [DSS schools lose half of their participation in school competition]. Oriental Daily (in Chinese). 2008-02-25. p. A20. The article notes: "本港學制日益多元化，不再局限於傳統中小學之分，惟學界體育比賽制度僵化，繼續以中小學劃分，令到一間直資名校的近百名十一歲學生，因其所讀的課程等同於中學課程，被拒與傳統學制同樣十一歲的小六學生比賽，學生參賽資格即時被腰斬，學子無辜，慘成官僚制度下，政治鬥爭的犧牲品。" From Google Translate: "Hong Kong’s academic system is increasingly diversified and is no longer limited to traditional primary and secondary schools. However, the school sports competition system is rigid and continues to be divided into primary and secondary schools. This has caused nearly a hundred 11-year-old students from a prestigious direct subsidy school to be divided. The courses he studied were equivalent to middle school courses, and he was refused to compete with the 11-year-old Primary 6 students in the traditional school system. The student's qualifications were immediately cut in half. The innocent student became a victim of political struggles under the bureaucracy."

  3. The school was harshly criticised in 2010 by Hong Kong's Audit Commission for administrative misconduct regarding property purchases and tuition fees. This led to hearings by the Legislative Council Accounts Committee. It led to at least one hundred articles covering the fallout which spanned at least several months. Here are a few of those sources:

     Sources

     "德信售校章利潤1.5倍 教局六方面跟進監察直資校" [Dexin's profit from selling school seals is 1.5 times. Education Bureau follows up on six aspects to monitor DSS schools]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). 2010-12-21. p. A7. The article notes: "立法會帳目委員會昨天就直資學校的監管舉行最後一場聆訊，重點討論三所直資學校的違規行徑，包括運用七千萬元投資的德望學校、用一千萬元購買三個該物業的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，" From Google Translate: "The Legislative Council Accounts Committee held the last hearing on the supervision of DSS schools yesterday, focusing on the irregularities of three DSS schools, including the Good Hope School, which used HK$70 million of investment, the Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which used HK$10 million to purchase three properties ..." The article notes: "議員何秀蘭質疑，真道書院有否將盈餘儲備作投資或購買物業，減少學校現金流，以用作申請加學費理由。教育局首席助理秘書長李煜輝表示，該校○八╱○九及○九╱一○兩學年均有加費，但局方發現於○九年八月三十一日的現金流有七千多萬元，連同物業和基金股票等，已超過局方規定的儲備上限，由於盈餘過高，局方已拒絕其一○╱一一學年加學費的申請。局方稱，核准學校加費不單是考慮學校現金流，亦有其他因素。局長孫明揚補充，校方加費須得到家長同意，校方亦要遞交發展計劃，由局方釐定學校是否可以存有大量盈餘。" From Google Translate: "Councillor Cyd Ho questioned whether Logos Academy had used its surplus reserves for investment or property purchases to reduce the school’s cash flow, which could be used as a reason to apply for a tuition increase. Li Yuhui, Chief Assistant Secretary of the Education Bureau, said that the school had increased fees in both the 2008/2009 and 2009/2010 academic years, but the bureau found that the cash flow on August 31, 2009 was more than 70 million yuan, together with properties and fund stocks, which exceeded the reserve limit stipulated by the bureau. Due to the excessive surplus, the bureau has rejected its application for a tuition increase in the 2010/2011 academic year. The bureau said that approving a school to increase fees is not only based on the school's cash flow, but also on other factors. Secretary Sun Mingyang added that the school must obtain the consent of parents to increase fees, and the school must also submit a development plan, and the bureau will determine whether the school can have a large surplus." "真道放寬學費減免收入限制" [Logos Academy relaxes income limit for tuition exemption]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-12-20. p. A12. The article notes: "上月審計報告重點審查的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，被揭發擁有1900 萬盈餘但學費減免條件嚴苛，又以個人名義購置單位作教師宿舍。真道學院近日已作多方改善，昨日3 名校董連同校長，與400 名家長會面，提出5項措施回應，包括放寬申請家庭的學費減免收入限制，鼓勵清貧學生報讀。" From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was the focus of last month’s audit report, was revealed to have a surplus of HK$19 million but had strict conditions for tuition exemptions and purchased units in individual names as teachers’ dormitories. Logos Academy has made many improvements in recent days. Yesterday, three school directors and the principal met with 400 parents and proposed five measures in response, including relaxing the income limit for tuition exemptions for applying families and encouraging poor students to apply." "真道書院開家長會 跟進審計報告指控" [Logos Academy held a parent meeting to follow up on the accusations in the audit report]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2010-12-20. p. A26. The article notes: "遭審計報告羅列多宗「罪行」的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，昨天下午舉行家長會。該校多名校董出席，與約400名家長會面。" From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was hit with numerous “crimes” in the audit report, held a parents’ meeting yesterday afternoon. Many school directors attended and met with about 400 parents." "真道書院聘會計師核賬" [Logos Academy hires accountants to audit accounts]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2010-12-20. p. A14. The article notes: "於直資審計風暴中屢被批評多項行政失當的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，昨日再召開家長會，安排校董會向家長講解事件最新進展。校監陸幸泉提出多項措施「補鑊」，包括聘請羅兵咸會計師重新檢視學校帳目、釐定學校採購政策競價投標準則等，以個人名義購買的一間村屋及居屋亦將作物業轉名事宜。" From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which has been repeatedly criticised for multiple administrative misconducts during the direct subsidy audit storm, held another parent meeting yesterday and arranged for the school board to explain the latest developments of the incident to parents. School Superintendent Luk Xingquan proposed a number of measures to "make up for the wok", including hiring accountants Luo Bingham to re-examine the school's accounts, determining the school's procurement policy and bidding criteria, etc." "真道近2000萬助學金未批出 教局反對用作添設備 必要時接管學校" [Logos Academy's nearly 20 million scholarships have not been approved. The Education Bureau objects to using them to add equipment and take over the school if necessary.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-12-01. p. A4. The article notes: "於直資學校「審計風暴」中被重點查帳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，已被教育局書面警告須及時糾正違規買物業及助學金儲備使用率低等問題。... 接近政府的消息稱，教育局認為學費減免是為有經濟需要的學生而設，不認同用作添置設備；局方會留意校方最終如何落實改善違規工作，若成效不彰，便會由教育局常任秘書長派員進駐學校管理委員會接手校政。" From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was the focus of audits in the "audit storm" of direct subsidy school schools, has been given a written warning by the Education Bureau to promptly correct problems such as illegal property purchases and low utilisation of bursary reserves. ... Sources close to the government said that the Education Bureau believes that the tuition fee reduction is for students with financial needs and does not agree that it will be used to purchase equipment. The Bureau will pay attention to how the school ultimately implements the improvement of violations. If the results are not effective, the Education Bureau's permanent secretary-general will dispatch personnel to the school management committee to take over school administration." Ni, Qingjiang 倪清江; Xia, Zhili 夏志禮 (2010-11-27). "最後通牒即將到期校監校長拒轉業權　教局擬進駐真道校董會" [The ultimatum is about to expire. The school supervisor and principal refuse to transfer ownership. The Education Bureau plans to join the Logos Academy Board of Directors.]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). p. A5. The article notes: "被審計署揭23宗罪的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，挪用1,000萬元非政府資金購置3項物業，業權卻是校監和校長。教育局原來早已知悉，多番促請他們將業權轉回校方，但不獲理會，早前發出最後通牒，日內到期。若真道繼續當教育局無到，局方將派人進駐該校校董會，情形有如去年撤銷辦學權的臻美黃幹亨小學暨國中學校的翻版。" From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was exposed by the Audit Office for 23 crimes, misappropriated HK$10 million of non-governmental funds to purchase three properties, but the ownership was owned by the school supervisor and principal. It turned out that the Education Bureau had known about it for a long time and had repeatedly urged them to transfer the ownership back to the school, but was ignored. It had earlier issued an ultimatum that would expire within a few days. If Logos Academy continues to be in charge of the Education Bureau and there is no one, the Bureau will send people to the school board of directors, and the situation will be a replica of the Zhenmei Huangqianheng Primary School and Junior High School that revoked its schooling rights last year."

  4. "自辦刊物" [Self-organised publications]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2010-07-06. p. E6.

     The column says at the bottom that it was written by the Sing Tao Daily editor-in-chief.

     The column notes: "位於將軍澳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，是近年區內成立的直資中學，該校就辦了一本名為《真道人》(見圖)的刊物，介紹學校的理念和發展，至今已經出版了兩期。 真道書院出版這本《真道人》，以一本機構刊物來說，可以說不簡單，新一期的內容除了由校長講解學校取得的國際認證AdvancED外，還有其他親子專題、閱讀版等，從內容、版面設計到紙質，都顯示投入了相當的資源。從刊物的製作班底看，除了校內老師班底，還有資深教育新聞從業員郭玉蘭參與，難怪專題報道形式和深度相當接近傳媒。"

     From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O is a direct subsidy secondary school established in the district in recent years. The school has published a publication called "Logos People" (see picture) to introduce the school's philosophy and development. So far, it has two issues were published. Logos Academy publishes "Logos People", which is not simple for an institutional publication. In addition to the principal explaining the international certification AdvanceED obtained by the school, the new issue also includes other parent-child topics, reading editions, etc. From the content, layout design to paper quality, it shows that considerable resources have been invested. Judging from the publication's production team, in addition to the school's teacher team, Guo Yulan, a senior education news practitioner, is also involved. No wonder the format and depth of the special report are quite similar to those of the media."

  Cunard ( talk) 06:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep The additional sources provided by Cunard are sufficient to meet NSCHOOL, in addition there is more coverage where the school involved in a scandal where a member of leadership made a controversial statement regarding the 2019 protests, example article: [6]. Jumpytoo Talk 09:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The article about another controversy involving the school is a good find, thank you, Jumpytoo ( talk · contribs)! Cunard ( talk) 10:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette ^Edit! 22:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep, seems to meet GNG per the many sources above. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 03:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep per Cunard's sourcing. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 05:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Hong Kong. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Japan and Taiwan. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei ( talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG ( talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete insuffient coverage.-- Wish for Good ( talk) 04:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Prob delete - I'm not seeing RS. It is possible they exist in languages I don't read but if that's the case I encourage !keep voters to bring sources to the discussion. JMWt ( talk) 08:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Skating-related deletion discussions. Owen× ☎ 12:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep per DCsansei and JTtheOG. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 10:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Wun-Chang Shih

Wun-Chang Shih (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NSKATE; bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. No international medal placements at all. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Skating, and Taiwan. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep: Plenty of Chinese sources with SIGCOV (eg, Liberty Times [7], [8], Central News Agency [9], My Formosa [ zh [10]). His coaching career has also received media coverage (eg, TVBS News [11], Mirror Media [12], Central News Agency [13], [14]) — Prince of Erebor（ The Book of Mazarbul） 09:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Hong Kong. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Japan and Taiwan. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei ( talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG ( talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete insuffient coverage.-- Wish for Good ( talk) 04:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Prob delete - I'm not seeing RS. It is possible they exist in languages I don't read but if that's the case I encourage !keep voters to bring sources to the discussion. JMWt ( talk) 08:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Skating-related deletion discussions. Owen× ☎ 12:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep per DCsansei and JTtheOG. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 10:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply