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This event (the first of its kind anywhere) was held on April 4, and we now have all photos online and illustrating articles.
We got photos for 92 specifically requested sites (90 separate articles), nearly half of the 188 on our list.
Check out Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (which is really cool). If you're interested in holding one in your area, see Wikipedia Takes The City, and I'd be glad to offer any advice on an individual basis. Thanks.-- Pharos ( talk) 19:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The earth recieves energy from the sun. In sun, the energy is stored in form of chemical energy. The earth gets the energy but there are not many means for it to go out. The rate of coming of energy is more than it's going away. Overall the Law of Conservation Of Energy is being followed. But taking only the earth in view, the level of energy is increasing. We know that matter is condensed form of energy. So does it mean that the mass of earth is increasing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.153.44.3 ( talk) 09:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, for a little research project about Wikipedia language editions in "small" oder "weak" languages I am looking for secondary literature. Until now, I only found:
The en.WP informs about some editions, but often superficially (how many articles when achieved, etc.). Do you know other ressources on the internet than these two? I can read German, English, Dutch, French, Esperanto. Thank you for your help. (You can use my e-mail via my user page.)-- Ziko-en ( talk) 15:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I have made a new version of {{ ambox}} that I intend to deploy within some days. {{ambox}} is one of the most widely transcluded templates on Wikipedia and is visible on lots of articles, so this is a rather big update. For more about the new version and to discuss it see Wikipedia talk:Article message boxes#New ambox version.
-- David Göthberg ( talk) 06:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
A thought had just occurred to me. Say an article has two nominations for deletion over an extended time period. Let's also say that the second nomination for deletion incurs a consensus of 7 !voters as opposed to, say, 21 in the first AFD. While it is true that consensus can change, wouldn't the first AFD hold more authority as representing a larger chunk of Wikipedia? And therefore, wouldn't the second AFD potentially be closed as no consensus, for failing to reach that quota? Just a thought.-- WaltCip ( talk) 02:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
What font are the Wikipedia articles in? --- Nick4404 yada yada yada What have I done? 02:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw the previous MfD for secret pages. Honestly, ever since then I have noticed the focus some users have on secret pages is getting worse. At first, I didn't think it was a bad thing, but now it's been getting a little out of control. It's one thing to have a secret page, but another to have a "Secret Page Challenge" which some users are starting up. Most of these challenges include "fake pages," "cheater pages," and "picture pages." I happen to have a secret page myself, which I'm probably going to get rid of soon. The MfD closed with basically no decision made. I'd like other's opinions about this. Thanks! iMat thew 20 08 15:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Now I hope I've got this in the right spot. I just happen to come across a site which has an article called "Bringing Wikipedia to Account: The WIKIPEDIA USER DATABASE" on hm. I feel for the people who have tried to hide there name but now have it on a site (the site lined above). Even my name is listed. Bidgee ( talk) 15:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently a software change has made it much easier to get totals on categories. Many of these numbers have been unknown since a bot stopped operating in August of 2007. Here are some of the worst backlogs with the current totals in () and August 07 totals in italics:
As you can see none of the worst backlogs have less articles now than they did in August 2007. Some have grown much worse than others. Sourcing and NPOV have come the closet to doubling themselves while the same time being two of the categories that deal with truely promblamatic issues (i.e. {{ expand}} is comparatively unimportant). I know people are out there working on the back end trying to fix the oldest problems, but they are not gaining any ground. On the other end a proliferation of tools have help to create a culture of thoughtless tagging (i.e. Putting {{ expand}} on an article that has a {{ stub}} tag already}. I don't believe it possible to clear the backlogs working through the oldest articles alone. There needs to be something done about standards of tagging on the front end if we ever want to see progress here. Some tags are meant to flag a dispute and do not need to go on articles with empty talk pages. Others are used as catch-alls when they are designed for a more specific purpose. Can anyone who is involved in the development of these tools look into what can be done to encourage more thought being put into these tagging? Is it possible to require a talkpage message when adding {{ POV}} for example? Any other ideas on how to address this?-- BirgitteSB 21:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I have an idea: Once a year - Jan. 1 or Jimbo's birthday or some arbitrary day - a massive bot run removes ALL tags from throughout wikipedia. The event is well publicized in advance, so editors that have concerns about articles can "watch" them to remind themselves not to forget their problem child (or they could even improve the article and remove the tag, but that's probably asking too much).
After the bot run, articles that really need tags would, I suspect, have them replaced by editors within a week or two. But the tags that were useless (95 percent, give or take 4.99 percent) will no longer be annoying people who are trying to use wikipedia. What bliss! Until the tags proliferate as the months go on, of course, which leads to the next annual exorcism a year later.
It's the only way! Nothing else but Annual Tag Destruction Day will prevent the Takeover Of The Tags! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 22:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me when Categories were introduced and if there is a thread or page where it was discussed. I seem to recall that it was about 2004. Moondyne 03:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
I searched "biomarkers". In the search results for Wikipedia it described biomarkers as "a substance used as an indicator of a sexual state". The actual word in the Wikipedia text is " biological" which is correct.
I don't know how to change the searchable field that this error may have come from. Could someone change this?
Susan Gackenheimer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.0.40.10 ( talk) 18:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The Plot Tag for: Howl's Moving Castle (film) Has not been taking off. The plot is no longer overly long anymore. 71.142.208.226 ( talk) 02:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
Question moved to the Reference desk: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#cockateils - Kesh ( talk) 21:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll make this short. Can a user place an address or a list of addresses in his/her articles? If it's not allowed which rule's applied? Thanks in advance. Kurniasan ( talk) 07:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
As partner of WebShare with my weblog http://archiv.twoday.net/topics/English+Corner/ I have a free one year account and am able to make EB articles free by linking to them (no limit). Let's imagine some possibilities for WP:
I don't know if the links also expire after a year but I don't think so.
Some thoughts? -- Historiograf ( talk) 12:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Sample: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1192818/Wikipedia -- Historiograf ( talk) 12:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I occasionally find a helpful hand from the lookahead search engine WikiWax and was surprised that we have no article. Looking further I noted that there had been some deletions. Further, there is no mention of the WW engine on our list of search engines. So, not wanting to step on any tender toes here, is there something taboo about this omission or should I boldly ... well, you know. -- hydnjo talk 23:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 02:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, all.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 13:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Basilisk: The Kouga Ninja Scrolls needs a history merge to Basilisk (manga) but does Basilisk (Mutant) need one with Basilisk (comics)? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 00:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed in several articles on several independent occasions a user (usually an anonymous user) "correcting" the word "provably" to "probably", which is of course incorrect and completely invalidates the accuracy of the statement; I'm sure if I searched the database I could come up with 20 or more examples of this. On another occasion I was forced to add HTML comments to an article to discourage users from erroneously "correcting" an explanation of polynomial addition mod 2 (the users didn't get the mod 2 part and assumed it ought to work like normal polynomial addition). I've also frequently seen changes to example source code that either made the code incorrect (introducing bugs) or even made the code not compile at all. Edit summaries usually provide vague justifications showing they either didn't understand the original code or hadn't really thought the change through.
My question here is, what can we do to combat erroneous corrections by an endless supply of well-intentioned users who misunderstand the article? It seems futile to simply point out the error and revert, as new users with the same misunderstanding will inevitably come along. There is the argument that these type of corrections are a signal of potentially confusing issues in the article and the right course of action is to clarify the article, but this may come at the expense of clear and concise presentation for the readers who aren't confused. What should we do about this? Dcoetzee 21:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
There has been a lot of discussion about the massive backlog of articles flagged for cleanup, and how to remedy this. My hope is that the topical WikiProjects could play a larger role in the cleanup process, if they can become aware of articles in need of attention (which is currently not that easy).
In an attempt to improve the situation, I offer to generate project-specific listings of articles flagged for cleanup. See further details here: User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings
I am currently looking for some WikiProjects that would be willing to give this new method a try. Volunteers are welcome.
Also, the per-project notability listings (announced last month) have recently been updated; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability/Listing by project. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 21:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
In regards to
Image:EdSim Clitoris anatomy.jpg,
Image:Edsim Vascular.jpg, and
Image:Edsim clitoral glans innervation.jpg; while the copyright issues involved have supposedly
been resolved, am I the only one who is uncomfortable with the fact that the external links that are being put into articles in these images' captions are to video teasers for the poster's product? Then there's the fact that the poster,
BioSim (
talk ·
contribs), is in violation of the
username policy. The editor's even put the promotional external links into the *infoboxes* of the
Corpus cavernosum clitoridis and
Clitoral crura articles. My own opinion is that neither the computer cartoons nor their screenshots add significantly to the articles. Actually, I think that the existing diagrams and photographs do the job better. Is it worth having Wikipedia being used for promotion just to have these images? As an aside, even though the marketing nature of this makes it likely that the poster does own the copyrights, isn't the usual procedure to have them either go through
WP:OTRS or create an orphan page on their website with the licensing release and link to it from our image page? —
Elipongo (
Talk
contribs)
13:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I was unaware of the username policy on Wikipedia. Therefore, I have changed my name to comply with it. I have also removed the links from the clitoral pages as requested. However, I’ve noticed a lot of pages on Wikipedia have an external links section which contributors have featured links to “promote” their websites. So I was curious why you flagged the pages I edited. Are there guidelines regarding the posting of links in the external links section? Consequently, I have removed the links as mentioned and look forward to any further suggestions that you may have to help me contribute to Wikipedia properly. -- LearnAnatomy ( talk) 02:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone here aware of this? http://www.newwikipedia.info/ They compied wikipedia's all articles and put paid ads on the website and they use the wikipedia name. Is this legal? I suppose they shall not use the wikipedia name, because it is a trademark, right? -- Timish ¤ Gül Bahçesi 11:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Vancouver Meetup Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians, Monday, May 5 at 6:30 pm. It will be at Benny's Bagels,
2505 West Broadway. We'd love to see you there, and please invite others! Watch the
Vancouver Meetup page for details. |
Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 15:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
RecentChangesCamp is the world-wide unconference for wiki admins, developers, and users. The fourth RCC will take place from May 9-11 in Palo Alto, California. More information is available at the RecentChangesCamp 2008 organizational wiki. The 2-day event is free of charge for all participants and uses Open Space Technology to focus on peer-to-peer working sessions.
Any Wikipedian who hasn't heard of the event is heartily encouraged to check out the above Web site. Many Wikipedians, other Wikimedia project contributors, WMF board and staff, and developers will be there. Social, organizational, technical, and editorial issues for wikis will all be under discussion, and people involved in related fields, not directly wiki-oriented, will be there to talk, too.
I've been to all three previous events and I've really enjoyed each one. Open Space is a very wiki-esque method for event scheduling, and getting to talk with people who care as much about wikis and Wikipedia as I do is really great. -- ESP ( talk) 19:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Deletionpedia Patrol has been launched. It is an effort to find pages that should not have been deleted, and get them undeleted. All are welcome to join. Chin Chill-A Eat Mor Rodents ( talk) 14:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Was my comment unseen? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 00:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I came across this newly created article Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, Inc., which looks to be a propagandistic puff piece. The sources are either internal or other Wikipedia articles made into footnotes. If one does a Google new search, one finds many news articles which are, um, decidedly different in their emphases. I don't think this article is appropriate for Wikipedia in its present state, but am unsure about what to do about it. Phlegm Rooster ( talk) 08:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I have asked ArbCom to endorse discretionary sanctions in pseudoscience and alternative science topics, broadly construed. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Request_to_amend:_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FPseudoscience_and_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FMartinphi-ScienceApologist.. Vassyana ( talk) 12:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
New episodes are available. Durova Charge! 00:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.
If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 72 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help.
P.S. - Sorry for posting this here, but I didn't want to post on everyone's individual talk page (I started to, but I felt like I was spamming everyone). Useight ( talk) 03:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I wrote two simple tools to find duplicate images:
Have fun. multichill ( talk) 22:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
According to Dupe finding tool, Image:Kopje mbalabala.jpg and Image:Kopje mbalabala1.jpg are the same image, but clearly they "look" different to me. How does the tool work? Does it only look at file names? That might not be a good idea, since I know many image files share the similar name even though they are completely different images. -- Taku ( talk) 22:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any discussion of adding spellcheck to the search to suggest alternates to misspelled words like other internet search engines do? I find it frustrating to be trying to find an article on some obscure person with a tricky last name and have no results only to find that I left out a letter. I believe that most users could benefit from faster searches with this if it is possible. I have looked around and I do not see anything on this topic.-- John7son ( talk) 22:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
How can I find out the number of visitors per day to a particular article - is this possible?
Thanks Mr Miles ( talk) 13:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
We've got a {{ cmbox}} and {{ imbox}} message at the top of the watchlist, we've got a Wikimania 2008 message at the top of every page, and I just noticed a message asking me to donate that disappeared when I logged in. Are we going message mad? They're everywhere! And they're breeding like rabbits. I don't nessecarily wnat them to be prohibited, just controlled and restricted to important messages. We receive no notification of interface changes outside of very select circles, yet we get a message telling us about a new template that's not even been finalised yet and some Africa-central event...... Dendodge. Talk Help 11:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have just joined Wikipedia and edited many articles to a fair quality already. Under my 'My contributions page', some of the articles I have edited say (top) next to them. What does this mean?
Can anyone tell me please? Thanks in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domiy ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
If we are going to start removing pictures from articles (as Equazcion just did), wouldnt it be better to bring up a consensus on the relevant talk page? Realist2 ( 'Come Speak To Me') 01:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Please all, lets just get along, lol ive messed up 854 times already, lets move on. Realist2 ( 'Come Speak To Me') 01:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Can people take a look at the removal of metric units at St. Stephen's Episcopal School (Austin, Texas).
I added a metric conversion in parentheses. An editor removed them with weird summary 'remove unsupported claim' plus a 'warning' on my talk page that I need to cite sources. I just assumed that the editor was just confusing the unit conversion with some other editor's copyedit. I note that the editor has less than 250 contributions, 19 of which relate to that article . I added the conversion again but it was reverted again with a similar summary and 'warning'.
Can anyone else shed any light on this? Lightmouse ( talk) 22:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The title of the section is basically the thesis of this paper:
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help)It says they were able to, with 97% accuracy, determine if a given article is featured article or not by only looking at the word count of the article. If it is right, then that means we'd better spend time lengthening articles than debating the quality of featured article candidates or revising them so that they can be featured. Very disturbing finding. But it is hard to believe, though, since I know of many long articles that are of poor quality because of lack of reliable sources or prose by non-English speakers, etc. -- Taku ( talk) 23:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The thesis of the paper is not LongestArticle = BestArticle -- it's LongArticle => FeaturedArticle which is a rather different thing. Mind you if there really is a 97% correlation, perhaps we should just set a bot on the job of proposing/approving featured articles and concentrate on defeaturing as a manual process. -- Derek Ross | Talk 01:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I do not want to sound rude, but I have some opinions to share with Wikipedia itself. I don't want to start any war or anything. I don't want to get banned I just want to express some concerns that I have. In my opinion I think Wikipedia is edited by hypocrites.
I do not like some of the policies that are around. In Wikicommons you are suppose to give a picture credit for the original author (for example a picture like Mona Lisa and we said the author was Me that would be incorrect because it was painted by Leonardo Da Vinci.) But in anime articles though, in Wikipedia, they say the romanticized English name is the official and the correct name, but that isn't true. The English didn't create the anime or manga you should leave the names the way the original author had attended them, not the English licensed and the way the English intended them.(I know its an English Wikipedia, but you're not giving credit to the write author.) It goes back to the Mona Lisa you are saying the English created the names when they didn't.
In certain articles such as the buttocks article they are using photoshopped images of a womans butt and a mans butt. Those aren't what butts look like. And on the discussion page they say that the womans hair is disgusting and it wouldn't look right. People are people they do have hair. Its all right to show a hairy butt of zebra all natural, but not a humans butt we have to photo shop those images. They have normal human private parts such as the vagina and the penis, but a butt isn't okay.
This one is all cleared up, but it still makes a point another valid point. Recently in the human feces article people were saying a picture of human poo was gross and made them sick. That is why they removed the first image. But in the animal feces article it showed a nice picture of horse crap piled up high. Its okay to show animals poo, but not human poo. This has been cleared up now with many complaints of there not being a picture, but still its kinda hypocritical to have pictures of animals poo and not humans poo.
Well I hope you heard this and read this. I hope you understand my opinions and my concerns. I don't want to disrespect anyone. I just want people to realize the silliness going on and the problems that people might see.
Thank You
Always
Cardinal Raven
Cardinal Raven ( talk) 21:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I still think the native name should be the official name not the romanticized no matter the fact that this is English Wikipedia. Since I watch anime in the Japanese format the native names are correct. But other then that at least thank you for replying to this.
But what about the photo bucket pictures of the human buttocks? You never gave me an answer on that one. Cardinal Raven ( talk) 04:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I disagree. The picture of human feces is unnecessary and inappropriate People should be able to read about it with out seeing a picture. The least that can be done is to put the picture on a separete page or hidden in a drop down menu fashion. The picture of animal feces is less repulsive and shown in manure form. We don't have photos of people having oral sex or penile vaginal intercourse but we have drawings instead. We do have photos of animals having sex though. Do you want to see pictures on wikipedia of a man jackhammering his penis into a woman's vagina? We don't have photographs of beastiality but we to have drawings of it. Do you want to see pictures that are legal in some states and countries but not others on wikipedia? We'd have to move wikipedia's servers from florida to texas or california if pictures like that on here. Where do we draw the line? I think it is only a matter of time before someone argues for the inclusion of picture of virtual child porn on here (after all the supreme court says it is legal). Maybe a non photographic picture of human feces would suffice. -- 209.104.244.164 ( talk) 01:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
And I disagree with you 209. We have picture of real men's penis have you read the article. We have real pictures of woman's vagina. I also disagree because its silly to say that an animal shit is not as repulsive as human shit. They are bough just as repulsive, but at the same time there are necessary. 71.142.208.226 ( talk) 06:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I see no evidence that either photo in buttocks has been modified beyond perhaps removing the background. In any case, it's irrelevant until and unless someone can produce a better picture. Nil Einne ( talk) 11:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The womans butt is normal now. But I have a question have you looked at the man's buttock in that article? It doesn't look real. Its textured smooth and it looks like a 3D image or something. Its not real. I can tell its not real. 71.142.208.226 ( talk) 07:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
Hi! I'm just curious as to why Wikipedia seems hell-bent for leather on sanitizing itself completely of any reference whatsoever to Encyclopedia Dramatica. Why are the articles always deleted? Where can I go to learn about the whole controversy between Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Dramatica in an objective way? Normally I'd go to Wikipedia first, to find a fair and balanced article, but it seems that Wikipedia itself is averse to even mentioning this issue! I don't really have an opinion either way, but I find it distressing that I can't really find any information about it, except on Encyclopedia Dramatica itself. ATD ( talk) 03:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Unsolicited opinion: Speaking as somebody who has never heard of it before - and who, after a short perusal, finds it tedious and predictable (oooooh, it makes fun of things and uses bad words! how original!) I nonetheless think it is notable enough to deserve a wikipedia article. It appears to have at least as much online presence as skads of other online sites that are topics of articles. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 20:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
For the most part, I think it's a personal thing. At this point, there's far than enough more sources available to write an article about ED than there are a lot of other things we have articles on. ED's articles, while satirical in nature, illustrate a number of the problems that Wikipedia has in its policies, its implementations of those policies, and its users. (The articles on JzG and Sceptre are particularly ... interesting). While I always assume good faith, there are some things you just can't ignore. Celarnor Talk to me 09:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
hi i have a site called myonitlive and i was wondering how to get it included in wikipedia?
it is a site for unsigned bands, and gets about 500,000 to 1 million hits a month and growing:)
please tell me what i have to do to be included in wikipedia..
thanks so so much joe
joe@myonit.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myonitlive ( talk • contribs) 12:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Chelsea Schilling, [http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63590 Is Wikipedia wicked porn?], WorldNetDaily, May 6, 2008 is a perfect example of what my late friend Sharma Oliver used to call "porn for prudes": "Oh, tut tut, isn't that salacious! Look here, isn't that awful! And here!"
God forbid that the article penis should show a penis. Or that an encyclopedia should attempt to cover pornography. Or that a list of sex positions contains illustrations (if anyone can get off on that particular set of images, better not let them near an art gallery. Or an anatomy textbook). She also seems particularly outraged that we are not outraged by homosexuality. - Jmabel | Talk 18:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Added to Wikipedia:Press coverage. Bovlb ( talk) 21:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict)
Socialist, thats another label to add to my list, its a first lol. Realist2 ( 'Come Speak To Me') 00:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This is a solution begging for a problem. If you're afraid that your workplace is so hostile that they're going to fire you over the content of a Wikipedia article, then you have a few possible outcomes, all of which allow Wikipedia to maintain being an uncensored encyclopedia and allow you to not fail at your life/job. These are all great solutions and don't require Wikipedia to shoot itself in the foot for those offended by the human body's reproductive functionality. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
a) Don't browse Wikipedia at work. You're probably there to do work anyway. Wikipedia has a content disclaimer that specifically says that Wikipedia isn't censored, so wherever you go, you run the risk of encountering inappropriate content. If you choose to take that risk anyway and chug along reading fluffer and the like, that's your problem, and if something happens, its your fault. Next time, RTFM. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
b) Search sites that are censored to find out what the topic is about before going to Wikipedia, to scope out any potential sexual meanings that you hadn't anticipated before. Google exists and has an option to censor images. Use it. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
c) If you're concerned about images and are too lazy to do either of the above, you can set your browser to ignore images from the Wikipedia domain, or you can use text-based browser like Lynx that doesn't show images. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent, moved out of thread for readability and coherence.)There are two issues here. One is with pornography -- picture of people engaged in sexual activity. A website that has porn is subject to certain legal obligations in the United States. It would be dangerous for Wikipedia to fall into that category. That's why Jimbo Wales, who knows a thing or two about pornographic web pages, has deleted pornographic pictures in the past. The other issue is with non-pornographic NSFW content, like the naked picture of a man at man. I have nothing against such material provided that it's appropriate for the article. But because most people out there -- who are used to Britannica and World Book -- don't expect to see pictures of naked people or other NSFW content in their encyclopedia, we should not shock them by having NSFW content without warning. IMO, we should warn people about NSFW content and give them the opportunity to a page, such as man, without it. To say, "We've got a content disclaimer, so that covers it" is a cop out. Wikipedia exists to serve its readers, and we're not doing that if we're refusing to take simple precautions to improve their user experience and keep them from getting in trouble. -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 01:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Wikipedia contains many different images, some of which are considered objectionable or offensive by some readers. For example, some articles contain graphical depictions of violence, or depictions of human anatomy. | ” |
It is obvious we need more porn on here, not less. Like the articles I had written on various porn starlets were speedy deleted -- those were good f*n articles, man!! JeanLatore ( talk) 19:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe it would not be too difficult for someone to create a "shell" site, allowing one to read or even edit Wikipedia articles, with the only change that images are default-disabled for articles in sexuality categories. Such a shell was created for http://wikidashboard.parc.com/ (for a quite different purpose).-- Pharos ( talk) 02:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to know about this 90.xxx.xxx.xxx. vandal for Edna Parker who removes an important HTML comment asking not to change the image from 200 to 300 pixels. Any easy way to find out. Using their talk page can't do because the IP address can change. Georgia guy ( talk) 13:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
FYI. Bstone ( talk) 23:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
It looks like conservative blogs are picking up on the porn story - I think there is a Concerned Women for America hit piece going around:
This hysteria is a little silly. --David Shankbone 16:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused -- according to the original blog post (the second one on the list above), a child searched for "fluffy" and was " re-directed" to a page about "fluffers" in the pornography industry. But " Fluffy" has consistently been a disambiguation page, and the article on fluffers is Fluffing, to which there are only two redirects, Fluffers and Fluff girl. So was there recently a history deletion, or (more likely the case) did someone simply misuse the term "re-direct", and what really happened was that the girl (innocently enough) clicked on "Fluffing" in the search list?
In any case, it's the sort of page that a competent web filter would almost certainly be able to block without having to also block non-offensive Wikipedia pages. (Not that I'm blaming anybody, because nobody can be expected to just go get a filter if they if they aren't already familiar with the idea.) Lenoxus " * " 18:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
My guess is that it's WR's resident high school music teacher, TheFieryAngel, but somebody has been engaged in trying to whip up conservative frenzy over pornography, tarring me in the process and bringing in Wikia boy scout stuff that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Here are two posts on "The Lonely Conservative" website (the second clearly placed by a WR member):
So, for all you Wikipedia people who go on WR, if the defamation of the Deputy Director of the WMF wasn't enough, and their extortion negotiations of Newyorkbrad wasn't enough, now we have a porn smear campaign that doesn't even involve our website. --David Shankbone 20:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Suggestion : When Wikipedia and its editors are attacked on issues of pornography, morality, save-the-children, etc. let us respond with "The issue we face is what specific edits can we make to make that article a better encyclopedia article" or more broadly "The issue is what can we do to create the world's best free encyclopedia for all humanity." The attack and its solution here, guys, lies in the framing of the issue. WAS 4.250 ( talk) 22:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you folks understand the influence of the "family values" lobby. Their ranks include politicians, prosecutors and judges who can make Wikipedia's life miserable. I'm going to guess that 99.9% of parents and educators don't want their kids looking at hardcore pornography. You may disagree with them, but you can't pretend they don't exist or don't matter. We don't have to do everything they say, but we have to at least be responsive to their concerns. To dismiss their concerns out of hand recklessly endangers the future of Wikipedia.
Furthermore, even if pornography-shy people didn't have a lot of political power, they are potential users of Wikipedia, and therefore, their concerns should be considered as much as those of any other user. And there are a lot of porn-shy people. If you know anything about Middle America, you'll know there's a lot more of them out there than there are of people who are comfortable with, say, drawings, let alone pictures, of gay sex. There's also the millions of people who use Wikipedia at work or school, where NSFW images may be forbidden. Encyclopedic information should not be withheld from Wikipedia for their sake, but at the same time, we should try to do what we can to make Wikipedia a more pleasant experience for them, just as we would with any other group of people. As I have proposed several times, this can be done easily and without censorship -- Every page with an NSFW image should be topped with a warning specifying the NSFW content below, and users should be able to click on an option to see the page without the NSFW image. This would not interfere in any way with anyone's ability to read Wikipedia with NSFW images.
It's a matter of simple courtesy. Saying "If you don't want to look at porn, don't use Wikipedia (or turn images off in your browser)" is an example of what I call the cardinal sin of Wikipedia: Doing what makes you happy rather than what makes the potential reader happy. That is, selfishness. Wikipedia exists to serve the readers, not to serve us. -- -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 02:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Like i've said before, its a touchy situation. But face it, porn is a real (and arguably significant) of english-speaking culture. Its would be different in discussing the inclusion of porn on other language wikis (like arabic, for instance, or Anglo-Saxon). JeanLatore ( talk) 04:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
In a wacky 21st century turn of events, the blog people keep talking about is talking about this conversation. [5] How self-referential. It's like looking into a mirror looking into a mirror. BTW, this isn't quite a "blog".
The guy at the other blog at least seems to be rather level-headed for a right-wing blogger. [6]
"If there is any hope for the progress of civil rights and the human struggle in the 21st century, it’s almost assuredly going to come from the proliferation of uncensored information to people who never have otherwise been exposed to it. No two people are going to draw the thin line between appropriate and inappropriate at exactly the same place, so we have to create very basic guidelines about protecting the lives and well being of the innocent (including children) and just learn to accept that we have to take the good along with the bad."
As for the Lonely Conservative, if you are reading this, you needn't worry about being lonely anymore. Do you like picnics? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
What does "Wiki" even mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero Worthe ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Um...OK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero Worthe ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Are we not aloud to say anything about....god on here? It is Miscellaneous.....Right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero Worthe ( talk • contribs) 02:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why WP:AFD, WP:RFD, WP:MFD, and WP:CFD are so different in terms of method? It's frustrating. This, that and the other [ talk 11:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I asked User:Jimbo Wales for his comments on the matter of pornography on Wikipedia, not just because of his personal involvement in Wikipedia but because of his personal knowledge of the laws governing "adult content" on the Web.
This is what he said on his talk page:
Jimbo's opinion seems similar to mine. For legal reasons, hardcore pornography should not be on Wikipedia. Non-pornographic nudity is acceptable provided that it meets the same kind of demands we make for other content on Wikipedia. However, the "not censored" policy be abused by people who upload content that does not improve the encyclopedia.
Jimbo is not the be-all and end-all, but he know what he's talking about when it comes to porn -- and he's the one likely to be dragged before a congressional committee to explain why we're "pandering porn to children," or whatever they'll say. -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 03:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I specifically uploaded images of the making of an adult film that I think demystify the process of what goes into the filming of the genre. The photos were taken at the studio of a major adult film company, with major adult film stars, directed by a major adult film director. There are a couple of users in the minority who label these photos 'hard core gay pornography' (take your pick of prejudicial term), but they are not. I would like to point readers to the Stanford University encyclopedia of philosophy to help guide the discussion. The definition of pornography they eventually arrive at is "pornography is sexually explicit material designed to produce sexual arousal in consumers that is bad in a certain way." I don't think the photographs on Pornographic film, Fluffer, Pornography, Gay pornography or any other image actively used on our articles qualify by this standard. They are clearly not meant to illicit sexual arousal, and indeed the presence of so many people in most of the photos removes for most people the ability to fantasize about the scenario. The focus in the photographs is on the ulterior actors, not the sexual acts. In this regard, the photographs are educational and don't appeal to the prurient interest, but seek to demystify and expose the process of adult film making. --David Shankbone 04:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Jimbo is naive if he thinks that all "highly conservative critics are likely to appreciate the need for, and appropriateness of, such illustrations." One of the key post that set off the current esisode specifically objected to illustrations of human anatomical parts, (among other things); and also objected to the non-pornographic presentation of material about pornography.
On the other hand, there will be some topics which can not be illustrated with direct visual illustrations--we are, for example, not going to be able to have a representative sample to ilustrate the article on child pornography. DGG ( talk) 14:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I created a template on Wikimedia Commons to help those of use who have some form of colour blindness: {{ Colour blind}}. With this template, you can tag images that you wish some one would edit so that even you can see what is meant to be seen.
When you use the image, please describe the type of colour blindness you have (if you know it), and the problem you are having with the image. The template adds images to Commons:Category:Images with problems for colour blind people where some helpful soul may pick it up and fix the problem. Samulili ( talk) 07:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think it is about time that we need a Wikipedia pool about when Wikipedia "jumped the shark". Any discussion?? Georgia guy ( talk) 16:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The Requests for Adminship rules say that "Any Wikipedian with an account is welcome to comment in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections" but that "Any Wikipedians, including users who do not have an account and/or are not logged in ("anons"), are invited to participate in the comments section and ask questions."
The "general comments" sections of most of the requests seem to contain only two auto-generated links, and no discussion. If one chooses not to Register, but wishes to comment on a specific request for adminship, where should one post one's comment? 69.140.152.55 ( talk) 17:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:VPR#Wikipedia logo improvement for a discussion regarding improvement of the Wikipedia logo. I've uploaded a new version of the logo, and since this would be a major change, I'm guessing it would need wide consensus, so I'm posting notices around. Please direct any comments to the Village pump discussion. Thanks. Equazcion •✗/ C • 16:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The Sirius article begins as follows:
It's hardly the only article with this issue. I think it is sad how disruptive that Greek/Alternate name/pronunciation clutter in the first sentence has become to wikipedia articles. Do other encyclopedias do this? I know the Encyclopedia Britannica certainly doesn't. That is why we have dictionaries. The clutter just breaks up the whole flow of the lead, and it has reached the point where my eyes just automatically skip past the parenthetic text in the first sentence as it is almost completely obtuse to the reason for viewing the topic. Isn't there a better solution? Am I the only person with this issue?— RJH ( talk) 15:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
When Newyorkbrad resigned from the Committee, did someone or will someone take his place? I haven't been keeping up with this business and am not quite sure where to look for the answer. WP:ARBCOM didn't seem to have any info about a vacancy.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 22:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the second option is better. None of the also-rans from 2007 is a perfect choice, and there is no rush to add one arbitrator just for the sake of having 15 instead of 14 arbitrators. I think Jimbo should let this wait until December. Shalom ( Hello • Peace) 03:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I took interest in the case of " Molobo", complained of on Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board [7]. I believed at first the commotion was exaggerated, but I have since pored over his edits over several months, not just read up on his most recent [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] contributions. It is my conviction that his ulterior motive for his strange doings is a nationalist antipathy to anything German, the extent of which in his edits is restricted by a realist understanding of how far he can go before experiencing costly resistance, longer-term opponents and sanctions. An excessive, creeping accumulation of purposeful but not totally inflammatory edits attains its aim, while a very small number of very inflammatory edits with the same design surely could banish you from this network. On Wikipedia a user has considerable power. Historical issues are determined by one or very few contributors under pseudonyms, while the site is read by hundreds or thousands. Texts are completely open to their authors. Systematic bias can be easily introduced in the selections and representation of statements from sources. A few users support him, opponents lack knowledge of the etiquette in here or of historical topics. Piece of cake for him. "He who controls the past commands the future," he writes mysteriously [17].
His abstinence of sharing his personal views pertaining to Germany or Germans is useful to him. Under pressure, such as on the other board, he produces doubt, calling his doings "simply his expansion of topics related to German history and Polish-German relations, which he has personal interest and knowledge of", and goes on to suggest that he is simply an anti-Nazi. This sounds good and deludes certainly some people, but his disputes and actions suggest a different motivation; they are all argumentatively against anything German. Has he ever written anything positive of Germans or Germany in the past instead of always against [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]? Although actions speak louder than words, actions can be interpreted in different ways, and so the importance of clear-cut statements remains to understand his motives behind his doings. For this reason I was especially lucky to have found a genuine account of him in an internet forum. In contrast with on Wikipedia he did not have to mince his words in the forum and really he did not do it very much. This is also because he has a novel pseudonym, "Shade2". His genuine views are the missing piece of the puzzle that is his editing. As we will see, they blend into haughtiness, bigotry, rhetoric, egoism and ugly nationalism. Someone who likes questioning others` neutrality [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] turns out to be the biased user. I found his novel account as I was searching about "Selbstschutz and 741,000" [48] because of a recent edit about that [49]. The only thing I discovered was this forum, and the strange person in it who brought up Selbstschutz, the same number and the interconnection between number and organization turns out to be "Molobo".
There is sufficient proof in bulk that they are the same person. That edit, for example, could also be traced back [50]. Another time, again about Selbstschutz, he was trying to implicate so many Germans as he could. He decreased the one number and increased the other and argued with regard to demographics [51]. Arguing with regard to Selbstschutz and demographics is what "Molobo" had done [52]. The map presented in the forum post would also afterwards be used by "Molobo" [53] [54]. Additionally, "Shade2" identifies as an atheist openly [55], like "Molobo" [56]. "Molobo" was also involved in forums [57] [58]. "Molobo" at one time remarked of being under "exam" stress and identified as "transhumanist"(?) [59], "Shade2" as well later identified as a "transhumanist" [60] and as "completing university with Russia as one of subjects of study." [61], afterwards "Molobo" claimed of now being a "holder of master's degree in international relations" [62]. "Shade2" reveals that he "really loves China" [63], "Molobo" engages in the Tibet-China conflict on Wikipedia to advocate only the Chinese side [64] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70]. The topics and sources are the same, such as post-`45 polls [71] [72], or his ridicule of the German resistance as White Rose with only six members [73] [74] [75]. "Shade2" has edited Wikipedia [76] as 83.27.67.160 [77] and this address comes from the city [78] that "Molobo" affirms to come from [79]. Evidence is at every corner, but it is like a huge and therefore difficult memory cards game, for example Tinky Winky and homosexuality [80] [81] or Merkel and Catherine the Great [82] [83]. Finally for the last doubters, read this. "Molobo" picked on Buddhism almost never, I leafed through all his edit history pages. There is one edit here [84] and a couple on the Polish speaking Wikipedia [85]. The FIRST of those is dated "21:46, 18 paź 2006 (CEST)" [86]. "CEST" is UTC+2 [87], "paź" means "October" [88]. To see easily that it is about discrimination, see his next edit [89]. "Shade2" made only one post about Buddhism [90]. It is dated "Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:48 pm". "All times are GMT" in the forum [91]. "GMT" is UTC+0 [92]. In UTC: "Molobo" talks about discrimination in Buddhism for the first time dated "19:46, 18 Oct 2006", "Shade2" "7:48 pm, Oct 18, 2006". What are the odds? There is absolutely no doubt that "Shade2" is "Molobo".
To move on, I will start with samples of less relevant views. One thing I noticed in the posts of "Shade2" was egoism, often political. Cell phone prices are the first thought about a conflict in Congo [93]. About the global climate catastrophe he bumps in "Finally I have nice tanning summer and worm witners, and I can go out in winter clubbing with my t-shirt instead of having to wear warm clothes [Smiley]" [94]. "Where can I buy toilet paper with EU flag on it?" [95]. "Those who are against progress can go eat grass and berries in forest." [96]. Rich create global warming, poor suffer most? "The poor should try to become rich then." [97]. "Its cheaper and easier just to block the wave o migrants then fix Africa and accomodate the migrants." [98]. Few foreigners bad? "Why should I want terrorist attacks in my country or riots ?" [99]. "I rather have prosperity built on blood then poverty." [100]. I took notes of his insane view of Russia only very sporadically. His propagation is wholly negative. Russia, according to him a third-world country [101], a failed state [102] with resemblance of cemetery [103], "has never brought to Poland anything but destruction, exploitation, slavery, hatred, mass opression and poverty." [104]. "The less Russian influence in the world, the more prosperity and peace for the world." [105]. "Russia isn't interested in money, culture, its image. Only in power." [106]. "All of Russians' dreams will be crushed by us Poles. Always." [107]. "I don't feel like I have an expecting audiance when adressing Russians." [108]. "I will be happy to meet a non-imperialist Russian. So far I haven't. But I am still full of hope." [109]. He also makes fun of the Russians` life expectancy [110]. "The monster that is Russian Empire is hungry again. We can now hear its trembling belly on the internet, lusting for new slaves and victims, hungry for people of Central Europe. It is a certainity that the hunger for enslavement of our people will be followed by actions trying to satisfy that hunger." [111]. "The path of conquest and exploitation of others is the only way Russia is capable of seeing as means of developing itself." [112]. "the peace and love-giving Russians" is meant ironically [113]. "its such fun to see Russia dreams ruined [Laugh out loud]" [114].
"I am for Poland having nuclear weapons also. It would ensure our security against Germny and Russia." [115]. Exactly, he has the same sick propagation about Germany as about Russia. "It was mistake to let Germany exist in its form after WW2." [116]. "Yes, we know Germans respect treaties very much. Molotov can confirm that." [117]. "And you forgot to mention that NPD is growing in power. But it wasn't NPD that gave a highest Bavarian medal to somebody who served in elite bodyguard unit of Hitler... It isn't NPD that praises Prussian state, claims parts of Poland belong to Germany, claims Hitler's colonists as victims of Poland, makes racist jokes about Poles in German TV. This is a daily part of German media and society." [118]. "Right now Poles are generating jobs and profits for EU. EU in return gives us fines, and people from Germany, England are buying up our house market, making it impossible to buy homes for Poles. " and "USA won't try to abolish our state. France and Germany are trying though. " [119]. Relations between Poland and Germany are bad because? "its Merkels governments attempts to re-establish German nationalism " [120]. "A German source is hardly objective as scholary knowledge." [121] and [122]. He does not think that Germany and Russia really are different from 1940 [123] or learned [124].
According to him Germany brings death [125]. It is often hard to quote just one part in stead of everything; read this [126] and the next [127] and here [128]. What nations do you consider to be imperialist powers? "Today only Russia, Iran and Germany. All other countries are interested in peacefull and prosperous co-existance of the world. The three rogue nations named by me are interested in destroying the status of the world in the name of creating empires that would serve their nationalistic desires." [129]. "Yes, without those two countries the world would be a lot better place. They are responsible for most of major conflicts. Other potential powers are either concentrated inward or helpfull." [130]. Germany tries to enslave Europe [131]. Germans dress awfull and sloppy [132] and live 60 years in the past [133]. He compares a united Europe to Nazism [134]. "Tell that the next time Bundestag appoints milions of euros on attempts to portay Germans as victims of WW2. It should be next year, as suall." [135]. "Did anything good ever came out of Germany" [136]. "German press if full of slogans that "Germany must educate others" "They haven't grown to level of Germany" etc.The typical German attitude of arrogance and nationalism." [137]. "Unlike Germany, we in Poland have opinion that citizens aren't bound to have opinions identitical to government. In my opinion, and in opinion of many others Germany should pay 540 bilion of euro of compensations it owes Poland." [138]. "But as you show, not in Germany that bloats itself in its nationalistic visions of German "virtues" and "gifts" to the world. Perhaps this last word is true-Germany gave a lot of "gifts" to others, Poles and Jews especially, but only if you use the word in German meaning-gift after all means poison in German language." [139].
"As far as I know Germany is an artificial creation of XIX century Prussian imperalism and nationalistic myths created by romantic propagandists.It would be better if it would be dissolved by Allies after WW1 and WW2-too bad it didn't happen as those natonalistic myths are highly infectious and give self-proclaimed "Germans' a disturbing fever and seizures especially towards Poles and Czechs." [140]. "Next time-try to read some decent history book German. By decent I don't mean German book though.[Laugh out loud]" [141]. Nazi Germany and Germany today the same? "Ambitions roughly the same-German nationalism and arrogance combined with desire to dominate Europe. Politically also similiar, Nazis responsible for murdering Poles continued to be respected politicians. Geographically still continuing to control territories gained from Slavs. Foreign Policy-continued domination of Europe, this time with diplomatic and economic means." [142]. "But they will care about you. How many American troops are safeguarding Europe from German dreams ? Is it 100.000 ? Last time I heard they decided to stay in the bases actually. What are you going to do German about them ? Show them your beautifull women to scare them away ? [Laugh out loud]" [143]. Germany "continues to greed for Polish territory" [144]. "If Hypocracy was a goddess she would come from heavens and made her throne in Berlin." and more [145]. "Yeah I enjoy them more then German comedy shows in RTL where they laugh at a cow pissing or at jokes that Poles are bandits(seems you use the same jokes from WW2, not much creativity in your country it seems). The fine German humour..." [146]. "LOL. Afraid of Germans ? They can't even manage their own country." [147]. Importance of German economy? "The World can easly survive without German porn, vomit tasting food or polluting cars." [148]. "EU is already dominated and bullied by Germans as recent events show. Any attempt of indepedence is treated with agression and anger.It's obvious that any Core Union will be a tool for German nationalism." [149]. "If one doesn't want to serve Germany then one is branded a hater. Listen German-EU is made out of many countries, your attempts to dominate them may fail, and with Polish presence German influence decreases. The war for freedom in Europe from German arrogance and nationalism can still be won." [150].
"Shade2" was created and mainly used only while "Molobo" could not edit the English speaking Wikipedia due to being blocked. This provided us the temporary opportunity of capturing his clear-cut views that are kept from Wikipedia away but that determine and make his constant doings understandable. There are more anti-Germans, I suspect, and the entirety of German-Polish topics wants screening. It is obvious that not every Pole here is like that, because for example, although there are reflexes to talk down and defend the user [151], his activism has been quashed on the Polish Wikipedia again and again [152]. On the lax English-speaking Wikipedia he learned gradually to keep within the limit of three reverts and watches what he says [153]; so he cannot get blocked. I pay homage to the contributors who are willing and bold enough to take him on and try to discourage, instead of letting him. Too many edits still get through. For example, everyone who sees them can understand that his edits about Cambridge senior lecturer Christopher Clark were tendentious in the extreme [154] in the old manner of flooding an article with bias [155]. But they remained in the article for 33 hours until from Cambridge University [156] "the subject of this article" had to go to the trouble of displacing them himself [157]. Any normal search engine query could produce enough material about Christopher Clark and his well-known book on Prussia, "the best history of Prussia currently available in any language. However, more than that (and here it beats its German rivals hands-down), it is written with a literary finesse and narrative elan that establish its author as one of the finest writers of history at work in Britain today. It is a virtuoso performance." [158]. The fact that there are not enough rules or people to really contain and discourage his static and enormous or exclusive pursuit of Polish nationalist interests is endorsed by his more than eleven thousand edits. It is good news to the Polish nationalist holes in general that that activity is worthwhile.-- Sebastian Z. ( talk) 16:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I do not try dispute resolution, because I do not have a dispute with him. I am not a political scientist, a historian or a lawyer; I have enough sense to see my own limits and not enter a boxing ring with a heavyweight. My treatise was meant as a consciousness-raiser. It was a complete summation of my understanding of his editing. From here Wikipedians could be able to take over the matter. It also stretched my overtime to the breaking point, so that I have to catch up with unrelated personal affairs, instead of being able to maintain my expenses of time. I will not participate in long or circular discussions. "Molobo" is not really my problem. If Wikipedia does not decide to see it as the problem of Wikipedia, my time is wasted here. I am mistrustful of the abilities of Wikipedia in general. The maximum sentence after dispute resolution is a ban. But a ban does not override or discourage his or her past doings. It is also improbable to come to a ban; I do not believe that the framework of rules and procedures on Wikipedia has what it takes. My best bet is to raise awareness.-- Sebastian Z. ( talk) 20:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Not makin' this up. Gwinnett County Public Schools, Georgia.
It's ridiculous. I often use Wikipedia to get a general idea of a topic. Sure, there's a few articles on Wikipedia I can think of that are kind of pornographic (do we really need an article for every sex position with illustrations?), but you might as well block Google if you're trying to block out everything pornographic.
Part of me wishes that Wikipedia could implement some sort of NSFW filter, but it's stupid that that would be needed to satisfy some people. I swear, I'm going to have to buy a 4 gig flash drive and put a text version of Wikipedia on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyktoo ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Depending on the quality of your school's blocking, you might be able to access Wikipedia via https: [160]. Not to mention one of the many mirrors that exist of our content. Gracenotes T §
Personally I don't think it needs to be censored. Also I think the schools are taking this to far. We will all in our lives masturbate or not, we all see our penises when putting on underwear, we all see our animals masturbate, and we will all have sex with a woman once in our lives. Its a part of keeping the species alive. Our instincts are not inappropriate for the world to see. Our instincts are natural and shouldn't be banned. When we caveman did we care. I don't really think so. Now I can see if they were in elementary now that is something else. Middle school should be introduced to that kinda stuff. But once you are high school and in college its fine. The problem is that we want to shelter our children. Its not a bad thing, but once they are in the world, are adults and exposed to that stuff without the knowledge or the exploration of it now they might not be to handle it as properly as they should. The purpose of these is to talk to them about the idea, introduce the idea, and then subject the idea. 71.142.222.245 ( talk) 22:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
Find some proxies at home, and write down the URL's. Odds are your school can't have blocked each and every proxy on the internet. Ilikefood ( talk) 22:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I have a penis to see in the mirror. So that was my view with my penis. I can rephrase. We all masturbate, we all see vagina in the mirror, we will see an animal masturbate, and we will see our boyfriend or husband's penis the mirror and have sex. There rephrased. Cardinal Raven ( talk) 23:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I think all this talking of using proxies etc is an exceptional bad idea. Regardless of how stupid it may be for a school to block all of wikipedia, IF a school has decided to do so, and you agreed to their rules, which we can presume you did if you are attending said school, you likely agree to restrictions on your internet usage in school which would include accepting whatever filtering they impose. Circumventing said filtering is almost definitely in violation of your school's rules and is liable to get you in trouble. If you want to access wikipedia at school and it's being blocked, talk to your school administration, your parent/s, your government, your local newspaper, whatever. Or just forget about wikipedia at school and use wikipedia at home, at your local library, at a friend's house, or wherever. But don't go around violating your school rules just because you don't agree with them unless you want to get suspended or expelled, which hopefully you don't... Note that even if the blocking is accidental, you may still get into trouble for circumventing the filtering. Nil Einne ( talk) 18:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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This event (the first of its kind anywhere) was held on April 4, and we now have all photos online and illustrating articles.
We got photos for 92 specifically requested sites (90 separate articles), nearly half of the 188 on our list.
Check out Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (which is really cool). If you're interested in holding one in your area, see Wikipedia Takes The City, and I'd be glad to offer any advice on an individual basis. Thanks.-- Pharos ( talk) 19:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The earth recieves energy from the sun. In sun, the energy is stored in form of chemical energy. The earth gets the energy but there are not many means for it to go out. The rate of coming of energy is more than it's going away. Overall the Law of Conservation Of Energy is being followed. But taking only the earth in view, the level of energy is increasing. We know that matter is condensed form of energy. So does it mean that the mass of earth is increasing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.153.44.3 ( talk) 09:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, for a little research project about Wikipedia language editions in "small" oder "weak" languages I am looking for secondary literature. Until now, I only found:
The en.WP informs about some editions, but often superficially (how many articles when achieved, etc.). Do you know other ressources on the internet than these two? I can read German, English, Dutch, French, Esperanto. Thank you for your help. (You can use my e-mail via my user page.)-- Ziko-en ( talk) 15:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I have made a new version of {{ ambox}} that I intend to deploy within some days. {{ambox}} is one of the most widely transcluded templates on Wikipedia and is visible on lots of articles, so this is a rather big update. For more about the new version and to discuss it see Wikipedia talk:Article message boxes#New ambox version.
-- David Göthberg ( talk) 06:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
A thought had just occurred to me. Say an article has two nominations for deletion over an extended time period. Let's also say that the second nomination for deletion incurs a consensus of 7 !voters as opposed to, say, 21 in the first AFD. While it is true that consensus can change, wouldn't the first AFD hold more authority as representing a larger chunk of Wikipedia? And therefore, wouldn't the second AFD potentially be closed as no consensus, for failing to reach that quota? Just a thought.-- WaltCip ( talk) 02:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
What font are the Wikipedia articles in? --- Nick4404 yada yada yada What have I done? 02:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw the previous MfD for secret pages. Honestly, ever since then I have noticed the focus some users have on secret pages is getting worse. At first, I didn't think it was a bad thing, but now it's been getting a little out of control. It's one thing to have a secret page, but another to have a "Secret Page Challenge" which some users are starting up. Most of these challenges include "fake pages," "cheater pages," and "picture pages." I happen to have a secret page myself, which I'm probably going to get rid of soon. The MfD closed with basically no decision made. I'd like other's opinions about this. Thanks! iMat thew 20 08 15:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Now I hope I've got this in the right spot. I just happen to come across a site which has an article called "Bringing Wikipedia to Account: The WIKIPEDIA USER DATABASE" on hm. I feel for the people who have tried to hide there name but now have it on a site (the site lined above). Even my name is listed. Bidgee ( talk) 15:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently a software change has made it much easier to get totals on categories. Many of these numbers have been unknown since a bot stopped operating in August of 2007. Here are some of the worst backlogs with the current totals in () and August 07 totals in italics:
As you can see none of the worst backlogs have less articles now than they did in August 2007. Some have grown much worse than others. Sourcing and NPOV have come the closet to doubling themselves while the same time being two of the categories that deal with truely promblamatic issues (i.e. {{ expand}} is comparatively unimportant). I know people are out there working on the back end trying to fix the oldest problems, but they are not gaining any ground. On the other end a proliferation of tools have help to create a culture of thoughtless tagging (i.e. Putting {{ expand}} on an article that has a {{ stub}} tag already}. I don't believe it possible to clear the backlogs working through the oldest articles alone. There needs to be something done about standards of tagging on the front end if we ever want to see progress here. Some tags are meant to flag a dispute and do not need to go on articles with empty talk pages. Others are used as catch-alls when they are designed for a more specific purpose. Can anyone who is involved in the development of these tools look into what can be done to encourage more thought being put into these tagging? Is it possible to require a talkpage message when adding {{ POV}} for example? Any other ideas on how to address this?-- BirgitteSB 21:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I have an idea: Once a year - Jan. 1 or Jimbo's birthday or some arbitrary day - a massive bot run removes ALL tags from throughout wikipedia. The event is well publicized in advance, so editors that have concerns about articles can "watch" them to remind themselves not to forget their problem child (or they could even improve the article and remove the tag, but that's probably asking too much).
After the bot run, articles that really need tags would, I suspect, have them replaced by editors within a week or two. But the tags that were useless (95 percent, give or take 4.99 percent) will no longer be annoying people who are trying to use wikipedia. What bliss! Until the tags proliferate as the months go on, of course, which leads to the next annual exorcism a year later.
It's the only way! Nothing else but Annual Tag Destruction Day will prevent the Takeover Of The Tags! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 22:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me when Categories were introduced and if there is a thread or page where it was discussed. I seem to recall that it was about 2004. Moondyne 03:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
I searched "biomarkers". In the search results for Wikipedia it described biomarkers as "a substance used as an indicator of a sexual state". The actual word in the Wikipedia text is " biological" which is correct.
I don't know how to change the searchable field that this error may have come from. Could someone change this?
Susan Gackenheimer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.0.40.10 ( talk) 18:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The Plot Tag for: Howl's Moving Castle (film) Has not been taking off. The plot is no longer overly long anymore. 71.142.208.226 ( talk) 02:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
Question moved to the Reference desk: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#cockateils - Kesh ( talk) 21:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll make this short. Can a user place an address or a list of addresses in his/her articles? If it's not allowed which rule's applied? Thanks in advance. Kurniasan ( talk) 07:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
As partner of WebShare with my weblog http://archiv.twoday.net/topics/English+Corner/ I have a free one year account and am able to make EB articles free by linking to them (no limit). Let's imagine some possibilities for WP:
I don't know if the links also expire after a year but I don't think so.
Some thoughts? -- Historiograf ( talk) 12:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Sample: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1192818/Wikipedia -- Historiograf ( talk) 12:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I occasionally find a helpful hand from the lookahead search engine WikiWax and was surprised that we have no article. Looking further I noted that there had been some deletions. Further, there is no mention of the WW engine on our list of search engines. So, not wanting to step on any tender toes here, is there something taboo about this omission or should I boldly ... well, you know. -- hydnjo talk 23:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 02:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, all.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 13:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Basilisk: The Kouga Ninja Scrolls needs a history merge to Basilisk (manga) but does Basilisk (Mutant) need one with Basilisk (comics)? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 00:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed in several articles on several independent occasions a user (usually an anonymous user) "correcting" the word "provably" to "probably", which is of course incorrect and completely invalidates the accuracy of the statement; I'm sure if I searched the database I could come up with 20 or more examples of this. On another occasion I was forced to add HTML comments to an article to discourage users from erroneously "correcting" an explanation of polynomial addition mod 2 (the users didn't get the mod 2 part and assumed it ought to work like normal polynomial addition). I've also frequently seen changes to example source code that either made the code incorrect (introducing bugs) or even made the code not compile at all. Edit summaries usually provide vague justifications showing they either didn't understand the original code or hadn't really thought the change through.
My question here is, what can we do to combat erroneous corrections by an endless supply of well-intentioned users who misunderstand the article? It seems futile to simply point out the error and revert, as new users with the same misunderstanding will inevitably come along. There is the argument that these type of corrections are a signal of potentially confusing issues in the article and the right course of action is to clarify the article, but this may come at the expense of clear and concise presentation for the readers who aren't confused. What should we do about this? Dcoetzee 21:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
There has been a lot of discussion about the massive backlog of articles flagged for cleanup, and how to remedy this. My hope is that the topical WikiProjects could play a larger role in the cleanup process, if they can become aware of articles in need of attention (which is currently not that easy).
In an attempt to improve the situation, I offer to generate project-specific listings of articles flagged for cleanup. See further details here: User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings
I am currently looking for some WikiProjects that would be willing to give this new method a try. Volunteers are welcome.
Also, the per-project notability listings (announced last month) have recently been updated; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability/Listing by project. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 21:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
In regards to
Image:EdSim Clitoris anatomy.jpg,
Image:Edsim Vascular.jpg, and
Image:Edsim clitoral glans innervation.jpg; while the copyright issues involved have supposedly
been resolved, am I the only one who is uncomfortable with the fact that the external links that are being put into articles in these images' captions are to video teasers for the poster's product? Then there's the fact that the poster,
BioSim (
talk ·
contribs), is in violation of the
username policy. The editor's even put the promotional external links into the *infoboxes* of the
Corpus cavernosum clitoridis and
Clitoral crura articles. My own opinion is that neither the computer cartoons nor their screenshots add significantly to the articles. Actually, I think that the existing diagrams and photographs do the job better. Is it worth having Wikipedia being used for promotion just to have these images? As an aside, even though the marketing nature of this makes it likely that the poster does own the copyrights, isn't the usual procedure to have them either go through
WP:OTRS or create an orphan page on their website with the licensing release and link to it from our image page? —
Elipongo (
Talk
contribs)
13:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I was unaware of the username policy on Wikipedia. Therefore, I have changed my name to comply with it. I have also removed the links from the clitoral pages as requested. However, I’ve noticed a lot of pages on Wikipedia have an external links section which contributors have featured links to “promote” their websites. So I was curious why you flagged the pages I edited. Are there guidelines regarding the posting of links in the external links section? Consequently, I have removed the links as mentioned and look forward to any further suggestions that you may have to help me contribute to Wikipedia properly. -- LearnAnatomy ( talk) 02:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone here aware of this? http://www.newwikipedia.info/ They compied wikipedia's all articles and put paid ads on the website and they use the wikipedia name. Is this legal? I suppose they shall not use the wikipedia name, because it is a trademark, right? -- Timish ¤ Gül Bahçesi 11:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Vancouver Meetup Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians, Monday, May 5 at 6:30 pm. It will be at Benny's Bagels,
2505 West Broadway. We'd love to see you there, and please invite others! Watch the
Vancouver Meetup page for details. |
Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 15:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
RecentChangesCamp is the world-wide unconference for wiki admins, developers, and users. The fourth RCC will take place from May 9-11 in Palo Alto, California. More information is available at the RecentChangesCamp 2008 organizational wiki. The 2-day event is free of charge for all participants and uses Open Space Technology to focus on peer-to-peer working sessions.
Any Wikipedian who hasn't heard of the event is heartily encouraged to check out the above Web site. Many Wikipedians, other Wikimedia project contributors, WMF board and staff, and developers will be there. Social, organizational, technical, and editorial issues for wikis will all be under discussion, and people involved in related fields, not directly wiki-oriented, will be there to talk, too.
I've been to all three previous events and I've really enjoyed each one. Open Space is a very wiki-esque method for event scheduling, and getting to talk with people who care as much about wikis and Wikipedia as I do is really great. -- ESP ( talk) 19:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Deletionpedia Patrol has been launched. It is an effort to find pages that should not have been deleted, and get them undeleted. All are welcome to join. Chin Chill-A Eat Mor Rodents ( talk) 14:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Was my comment unseen? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 00:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I came across this newly created article Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, Inc., which looks to be a propagandistic puff piece. The sources are either internal or other Wikipedia articles made into footnotes. If one does a Google new search, one finds many news articles which are, um, decidedly different in their emphases. I don't think this article is appropriate for Wikipedia in its present state, but am unsure about what to do about it. Phlegm Rooster ( talk) 08:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I have asked ArbCom to endorse discretionary sanctions in pseudoscience and alternative science topics, broadly construed. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Request_to_amend:_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FPseudoscience_and_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FMartinphi-ScienceApologist.. Vassyana ( talk) 12:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
New episodes are available. Durova Charge! 00:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.
If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 72 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help.
P.S. - Sorry for posting this here, but I didn't want to post on everyone's individual talk page (I started to, but I felt like I was spamming everyone). Useight ( talk) 03:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I wrote two simple tools to find duplicate images:
Have fun. multichill ( talk) 22:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
According to Dupe finding tool, Image:Kopje mbalabala.jpg and Image:Kopje mbalabala1.jpg are the same image, but clearly they "look" different to me. How does the tool work? Does it only look at file names? That might not be a good idea, since I know many image files share the similar name even though they are completely different images. -- Taku ( talk) 22:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any discussion of adding spellcheck to the search to suggest alternates to misspelled words like other internet search engines do? I find it frustrating to be trying to find an article on some obscure person with a tricky last name and have no results only to find that I left out a letter. I believe that most users could benefit from faster searches with this if it is possible. I have looked around and I do not see anything on this topic.-- John7son ( talk) 22:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
How can I find out the number of visitors per day to a particular article - is this possible?
Thanks Mr Miles ( talk) 13:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
We've got a {{ cmbox}} and {{ imbox}} message at the top of the watchlist, we've got a Wikimania 2008 message at the top of every page, and I just noticed a message asking me to donate that disappeared when I logged in. Are we going message mad? They're everywhere! And they're breeding like rabbits. I don't nessecarily wnat them to be prohibited, just controlled and restricted to important messages. We receive no notification of interface changes outside of very select circles, yet we get a message telling us about a new template that's not even been finalised yet and some Africa-central event...... Dendodge. Talk Help 11:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have just joined Wikipedia and edited many articles to a fair quality already. Under my 'My contributions page', some of the articles I have edited say (top) next to them. What does this mean?
Can anyone tell me please? Thanks in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domiy ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
If we are going to start removing pictures from articles (as Equazcion just did), wouldnt it be better to bring up a consensus on the relevant talk page? Realist2 ( 'Come Speak To Me') 01:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Please all, lets just get along, lol ive messed up 854 times already, lets move on. Realist2 ( 'Come Speak To Me') 01:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Can people take a look at the removal of metric units at St. Stephen's Episcopal School (Austin, Texas).
I added a metric conversion in parentheses. An editor removed them with weird summary 'remove unsupported claim' plus a 'warning' on my talk page that I need to cite sources. I just assumed that the editor was just confusing the unit conversion with some other editor's copyedit. I note that the editor has less than 250 contributions, 19 of which relate to that article . I added the conversion again but it was reverted again with a similar summary and 'warning'.
Can anyone else shed any light on this? Lightmouse ( talk) 22:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The title of the section is basically the thesis of this paper:
{{
cite journal}}
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(
help)It says they were able to, with 97% accuracy, determine if a given article is featured article or not by only looking at the word count of the article. If it is right, then that means we'd better spend time lengthening articles than debating the quality of featured article candidates or revising them so that they can be featured. Very disturbing finding. But it is hard to believe, though, since I know of many long articles that are of poor quality because of lack of reliable sources or prose by non-English speakers, etc. -- Taku ( talk) 23:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The thesis of the paper is not LongestArticle = BestArticle -- it's LongArticle => FeaturedArticle which is a rather different thing. Mind you if there really is a 97% correlation, perhaps we should just set a bot on the job of proposing/approving featured articles and concentrate on defeaturing as a manual process. -- Derek Ross | Talk 01:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I do not want to sound rude, but I have some opinions to share with Wikipedia itself. I don't want to start any war or anything. I don't want to get banned I just want to express some concerns that I have. In my opinion I think Wikipedia is edited by hypocrites.
I do not like some of the policies that are around. In Wikicommons you are suppose to give a picture credit for the original author (for example a picture like Mona Lisa and we said the author was Me that would be incorrect because it was painted by Leonardo Da Vinci.) But in anime articles though, in Wikipedia, they say the romanticized English name is the official and the correct name, but that isn't true. The English didn't create the anime or manga you should leave the names the way the original author had attended them, not the English licensed and the way the English intended them.(I know its an English Wikipedia, but you're not giving credit to the write author.) It goes back to the Mona Lisa you are saying the English created the names when they didn't.
In certain articles such as the buttocks article they are using photoshopped images of a womans butt and a mans butt. Those aren't what butts look like. And on the discussion page they say that the womans hair is disgusting and it wouldn't look right. People are people they do have hair. Its all right to show a hairy butt of zebra all natural, but not a humans butt we have to photo shop those images. They have normal human private parts such as the vagina and the penis, but a butt isn't okay.
This one is all cleared up, but it still makes a point another valid point. Recently in the human feces article people were saying a picture of human poo was gross and made them sick. That is why they removed the first image. But in the animal feces article it showed a nice picture of horse crap piled up high. Its okay to show animals poo, but not human poo. This has been cleared up now with many complaints of there not being a picture, but still its kinda hypocritical to have pictures of animals poo and not humans poo.
Well I hope you heard this and read this. I hope you understand my opinions and my concerns. I don't want to disrespect anyone. I just want people to realize the silliness going on and the problems that people might see.
Thank You
Always
Cardinal Raven
Cardinal Raven ( talk) 21:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I still think the native name should be the official name not the romanticized no matter the fact that this is English Wikipedia. Since I watch anime in the Japanese format the native names are correct. But other then that at least thank you for replying to this.
But what about the photo bucket pictures of the human buttocks? You never gave me an answer on that one. Cardinal Raven ( talk) 04:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I disagree. The picture of human feces is unnecessary and inappropriate People should be able to read about it with out seeing a picture. The least that can be done is to put the picture on a separete page or hidden in a drop down menu fashion. The picture of animal feces is less repulsive and shown in manure form. We don't have photos of people having oral sex or penile vaginal intercourse but we have drawings instead. We do have photos of animals having sex though. Do you want to see pictures on wikipedia of a man jackhammering his penis into a woman's vagina? We don't have photographs of beastiality but we to have drawings of it. Do you want to see pictures that are legal in some states and countries but not others on wikipedia? We'd have to move wikipedia's servers from florida to texas or california if pictures like that on here. Where do we draw the line? I think it is only a matter of time before someone argues for the inclusion of picture of virtual child porn on here (after all the supreme court says it is legal). Maybe a non photographic picture of human feces would suffice. -- 209.104.244.164 ( talk) 01:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
And I disagree with you 209. We have picture of real men's penis have you read the article. We have real pictures of woman's vagina. I also disagree because its silly to say that an animal shit is not as repulsive as human shit. They are bough just as repulsive, but at the same time there are necessary. 71.142.208.226 ( talk) 06:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I see no evidence that either photo in buttocks has been modified beyond perhaps removing the background. In any case, it's irrelevant until and unless someone can produce a better picture. Nil Einne ( talk) 11:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The womans butt is normal now. But I have a question have you looked at the man's buttock in that article? It doesn't look real. Its textured smooth and it looks like a 3D image or something. Its not real. I can tell its not real. 71.142.208.226 ( talk) 07:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
Hi! I'm just curious as to why Wikipedia seems hell-bent for leather on sanitizing itself completely of any reference whatsoever to Encyclopedia Dramatica. Why are the articles always deleted? Where can I go to learn about the whole controversy between Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Dramatica in an objective way? Normally I'd go to Wikipedia first, to find a fair and balanced article, but it seems that Wikipedia itself is averse to even mentioning this issue! I don't really have an opinion either way, but I find it distressing that I can't really find any information about it, except on Encyclopedia Dramatica itself. ATD ( talk) 03:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Unsolicited opinion: Speaking as somebody who has never heard of it before - and who, after a short perusal, finds it tedious and predictable (oooooh, it makes fun of things and uses bad words! how original!) I nonetheless think it is notable enough to deserve a wikipedia article. It appears to have at least as much online presence as skads of other online sites that are topics of articles. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 20:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
For the most part, I think it's a personal thing. At this point, there's far than enough more sources available to write an article about ED than there are a lot of other things we have articles on. ED's articles, while satirical in nature, illustrate a number of the problems that Wikipedia has in its policies, its implementations of those policies, and its users. (The articles on JzG and Sceptre are particularly ... interesting). While I always assume good faith, there are some things you just can't ignore. Celarnor Talk to me 09:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
hi i have a site called myonitlive and i was wondering how to get it included in wikipedia?
it is a site for unsigned bands, and gets about 500,000 to 1 million hits a month and growing:)
please tell me what i have to do to be included in wikipedia..
thanks so so much joe
joe@myonit.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myonitlive ( talk • contribs) 12:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Chelsea Schilling, [http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63590 Is Wikipedia wicked porn?], WorldNetDaily, May 6, 2008 is a perfect example of what my late friend Sharma Oliver used to call "porn for prudes": "Oh, tut tut, isn't that salacious! Look here, isn't that awful! And here!"
God forbid that the article penis should show a penis. Or that an encyclopedia should attempt to cover pornography. Or that a list of sex positions contains illustrations (if anyone can get off on that particular set of images, better not let them near an art gallery. Or an anatomy textbook). She also seems particularly outraged that we are not outraged by homosexuality. - Jmabel | Talk 18:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Added to Wikipedia:Press coverage. Bovlb ( talk) 21:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict)
Socialist, thats another label to add to my list, its a first lol. Realist2 ( 'Come Speak To Me') 00:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This is a solution begging for a problem. If you're afraid that your workplace is so hostile that they're going to fire you over the content of a Wikipedia article, then you have a few possible outcomes, all of which allow Wikipedia to maintain being an uncensored encyclopedia and allow you to not fail at your life/job. These are all great solutions and don't require Wikipedia to shoot itself in the foot for those offended by the human body's reproductive functionality. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
a) Don't browse Wikipedia at work. You're probably there to do work anyway. Wikipedia has a content disclaimer that specifically says that Wikipedia isn't censored, so wherever you go, you run the risk of encountering inappropriate content. If you choose to take that risk anyway and chug along reading fluffer and the like, that's your problem, and if something happens, its your fault. Next time, RTFM. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
b) Search sites that are censored to find out what the topic is about before going to Wikipedia, to scope out any potential sexual meanings that you hadn't anticipated before. Google exists and has an option to censor images. Use it. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
c) If you're concerned about images and are too lazy to do either of the above, you can set your browser to ignore images from the Wikipedia domain, or you can use text-based browser like Lynx that doesn't show images. Celarnor Talk to me 09:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent, moved out of thread for readability and coherence.)There are two issues here. One is with pornography -- picture of people engaged in sexual activity. A website that has porn is subject to certain legal obligations in the United States. It would be dangerous for Wikipedia to fall into that category. That's why Jimbo Wales, who knows a thing or two about pornographic web pages, has deleted pornographic pictures in the past. The other issue is with non-pornographic NSFW content, like the naked picture of a man at man. I have nothing against such material provided that it's appropriate for the article. But because most people out there -- who are used to Britannica and World Book -- don't expect to see pictures of naked people or other NSFW content in their encyclopedia, we should not shock them by having NSFW content without warning. IMO, we should warn people about NSFW content and give them the opportunity to a page, such as man, without it. To say, "We've got a content disclaimer, so that covers it" is a cop out. Wikipedia exists to serve its readers, and we're not doing that if we're refusing to take simple precautions to improve their user experience and keep them from getting in trouble. -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 01:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Wikipedia contains many different images, some of which are considered objectionable or offensive by some readers. For example, some articles contain graphical depictions of violence, or depictions of human anatomy. | ” |
It is obvious we need more porn on here, not less. Like the articles I had written on various porn starlets were speedy deleted -- those were good f*n articles, man!! JeanLatore ( talk) 19:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe it would not be too difficult for someone to create a "shell" site, allowing one to read or even edit Wikipedia articles, with the only change that images are default-disabled for articles in sexuality categories. Such a shell was created for http://wikidashboard.parc.com/ (for a quite different purpose).-- Pharos ( talk) 02:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to know about this 90.xxx.xxx.xxx. vandal for Edna Parker who removes an important HTML comment asking not to change the image from 200 to 300 pixels. Any easy way to find out. Using their talk page can't do because the IP address can change. Georgia guy ( talk) 13:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
FYI. Bstone ( talk) 23:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
It looks like conservative blogs are picking up on the porn story - I think there is a Concerned Women for America hit piece going around:
This hysteria is a little silly. --David Shankbone 16:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused -- according to the original blog post (the second one on the list above), a child searched for "fluffy" and was " re-directed" to a page about "fluffers" in the pornography industry. But " Fluffy" has consistently been a disambiguation page, and the article on fluffers is Fluffing, to which there are only two redirects, Fluffers and Fluff girl. So was there recently a history deletion, or (more likely the case) did someone simply misuse the term "re-direct", and what really happened was that the girl (innocently enough) clicked on "Fluffing" in the search list?
In any case, it's the sort of page that a competent web filter would almost certainly be able to block without having to also block non-offensive Wikipedia pages. (Not that I'm blaming anybody, because nobody can be expected to just go get a filter if they if they aren't already familiar with the idea.) Lenoxus " * " 18:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
My guess is that it's WR's resident high school music teacher, TheFieryAngel, but somebody has been engaged in trying to whip up conservative frenzy over pornography, tarring me in the process and bringing in Wikia boy scout stuff that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Here are two posts on "The Lonely Conservative" website (the second clearly placed by a WR member):
So, for all you Wikipedia people who go on WR, if the defamation of the Deputy Director of the WMF wasn't enough, and their extortion negotiations of Newyorkbrad wasn't enough, now we have a porn smear campaign that doesn't even involve our website. --David Shankbone 20:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Suggestion : When Wikipedia and its editors are attacked on issues of pornography, morality, save-the-children, etc. let us respond with "The issue we face is what specific edits can we make to make that article a better encyclopedia article" or more broadly "The issue is what can we do to create the world's best free encyclopedia for all humanity." The attack and its solution here, guys, lies in the framing of the issue. WAS 4.250 ( talk) 22:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you folks understand the influence of the "family values" lobby. Their ranks include politicians, prosecutors and judges who can make Wikipedia's life miserable. I'm going to guess that 99.9% of parents and educators don't want their kids looking at hardcore pornography. You may disagree with them, but you can't pretend they don't exist or don't matter. We don't have to do everything they say, but we have to at least be responsive to their concerns. To dismiss their concerns out of hand recklessly endangers the future of Wikipedia.
Furthermore, even if pornography-shy people didn't have a lot of political power, they are potential users of Wikipedia, and therefore, their concerns should be considered as much as those of any other user. And there are a lot of porn-shy people. If you know anything about Middle America, you'll know there's a lot more of them out there than there are of people who are comfortable with, say, drawings, let alone pictures, of gay sex. There's also the millions of people who use Wikipedia at work or school, where NSFW images may be forbidden. Encyclopedic information should not be withheld from Wikipedia for their sake, but at the same time, we should try to do what we can to make Wikipedia a more pleasant experience for them, just as we would with any other group of people. As I have proposed several times, this can be done easily and without censorship -- Every page with an NSFW image should be topped with a warning specifying the NSFW content below, and users should be able to click on an option to see the page without the NSFW image. This would not interfere in any way with anyone's ability to read Wikipedia with NSFW images.
It's a matter of simple courtesy. Saying "If you don't want to look at porn, don't use Wikipedia (or turn images off in your browser)" is an example of what I call the cardinal sin of Wikipedia: Doing what makes you happy rather than what makes the potential reader happy. That is, selfishness. Wikipedia exists to serve the readers, not to serve us. -- -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 02:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Like i've said before, its a touchy situation. But face it, porn is a real (and arguably significant) of english-speaking culture. Its would be different in discussing the inclusion of porn on other language wikis (like arabic, for instance, or Anglo-Saxon). JeanLatore ( talk) 04:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
In a wacky 21st century turn of events, the blog people keep talking about is talking about this conversation. [5] How self-referential. It's like looking into a mirror looking into a mirror. BTW, this isn't quite a "blog".
The guy at the other blog at least seems to be rather level-headed for a right-wing blogger. [6]
"If there is any hope for the progress of civil rights and the human struggle in the 21st century, it’s almost assuredly going to come from the proliferation of uncensored information to people who never have otherwise been exposed to it. No two people are going to draw the thin line between appropriate and inappropriate at exactly the same place, so we have to create very basic guidelines about protecting the lives and well being of the innocent (including children) and just learn to accept that we have to take the good along with the bad."
As for the Lonely Conservative, if you are reading this, you needn't worry about being lonely anymore. Do you like picnics? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
What does "Wiki" even mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero Worthe ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Um...OK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero Worthe ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Are we not aloud to say anything about....god on here? It is Miscellaneous.....Right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zero Worthe ( talk • contribs) 02:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why WP:AFD, WP:RFD, WP:MFD, and WP:CFD are so different in terms of method? It's frustrating. This, that and the other [ talk 11:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I asked User:Jimbo Wales for his comments on the matter of pornography on Wikipedia, not just because of his personal involvement in Wikipedia but because of his personal knowledge of the laws governing "adult content" on the Web.
This is what he said on his talk page:
Jimbo's opinion seems similar to mine. For legal reasons, hardcore pornography should not be on Wikipedia. Non-pornographic nudity is acceptable provided that it meets the same kind of demands we make for other content on Wikipedia. However, the "not censored" policy be abused by people who upload content that does not improve the encyclopedia.
Jimbo is not the be-all and end-all, but he know what he's talking about when it comes to porn -- and he's the one likely to be dragged before a congressional committee to explain why we're "pandering porn to children," or whatever they'll say. -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 03:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I specifically uploaded images of the making of an adult film that I think demystify the process of what goes into the filming of the genre. The photos were taken at the studio of a major adult film company, with major adult film stars, directed by a major adult film director. There are a couple of users in the minority who label these photos 'hard core gay pornography' (take your pick of prejudicial term), but they are not. I would like to point readers to the Stanford University encyclopedia of philosophy to help guide the discussion. The definition of pornography they eventually arrive at is "pornography is sexually explicit material designed to produce sexual arousal in consumers that is bad in a certain way." I don't think the photographs on Pornographic film, Fluffer, Pornography, Gay pornography or any other image actively used on our articles qualify by this standard. They are clearly not meant to illicit sexual arousal, and indeed the presence of so many people in most of the photos removes for most people the ability to fantasize about the scenario. The focus in the photographs is on the ulterior actors, not the sexual acts. In this regard, the photographs are educational and don't appeal to the prurient interest, but seek to demystify and expose the process of adult film making. --David Shankbone 04:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Jimbo is naive if he thinks that all "highly conservative critics are likely to appreciate the need for, and appropriateness of, such illustrations." One of the key post that set off the current esisode specifically objected to illustrations of human anatomical parts, (among other things); and also objected to the non-pornographic presentation of material about pornography.
On the other hand, there will be some topics which can not be illustrated with direct visual illustrations--we are, for example, not going to be able to have a representative sample to ilustrate the article on child pornography. DGG ( talk) 14:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I created a template on Wikimedia Commons to help those of use who have some form of colour blindness: {{ Colour blind}}. With this template, you can tag images that you wish some one would edit so that even you can see what is meant to be seen.
When you use the image, please describe the type of colour blindness you have (if you know it), and the problem you are having with the image. The template adds images to Commons:Category:Images with problems for colour blind people where some helpful soul may pick it up and fix the problem. Samulili ( talk) 07:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think it is about time that we need a Wikipedia pool about when Wikipedia "jumped the shark". Any discussion?? Georgia guy ( talk) 16:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The Requests for Adminship rules say that "Any Wikipedian with an account is welcome to comment in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections" but that "Any Wikipedians, including users who do not have an account and/or are not logged in ("anons"), are invited to participate in the comments section and ask questions."
The "general comments" sections of most of the requests seem to contain only two auto-generated links, and no discussion. If one chooses not to Register, but wishes to comment on a specific request for adminship, where should one post one's comment? 69.140.152.55 ( talk) 17:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:VPR#Wikipedia logo improvement for a discussion regarding improvement of the Wikipedia logo. I've uploaded a new version of the logo, and since this would be a major change, I'm guessing it would need wide consensus, so I'm posting notices around. Please direct any comments to the Village pump discussion. Thanks. Equazcion •✗/ C • 16:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The Sirius article begins as follows:
It's hardly the only article with this issue. I think it is sad how disruptive that Greek/Alternate name/pronunciation clutter in the first sentence has become to wikipedia articles. Do other encyclopedias do this? I know the Encyclopedia Britannica certainly doesn't. That is why we have dictionaries. The clutter just breaks up the whole flow of the lead, and it has reached the point where my eyes just automatically skip past the parenthetic text in the first sentence as it is almost completely obtuse to the reason for viewing the topic. Isn't there a better solution? Am I the only person with this issue?— RJH ( talk) 15:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
When Newyorkbrad resigned from the Committee, did someone or will someone take his place? I haven't been keeping up with this business and am not quite sure where to look for the answer. WP:ARBCOM didn't seem to have any info about a vacancy.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 22:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the second option is better. None of the also-rans from 2007 is a perfect choice, and there is no rush to add one arbitrator just for the sake of having 15 instead of 14 arbitrators. I think Jimbo should let this wait until December. Shalom ( Hello • Peace) 03:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I took interest in the case of " Molobo", complained of on Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board [7]. I believed at first the commotion was exaggerated, but I have since pored over his edits over several months, not just read up on his most recent [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] contributions. It is my conviction that his ulterior motive for his strange doings is a nationalist antipathy to anything German, the extent of which in his edits is restricted by a realist understanding of how far he can go before experiencing costly resistance, longer-term opponents and sanctions. An excessive, creeping accumulation of purposeful but not totally inflammatory edits attains its aim, while a very small number of very inflammatory edits with the same design surely could banish you from this network. On Wikipedia a user has considerable power. Historical issues are determined by one or very few contributors under pseudonyms, while the site is read by hundreds or thousands. Texts are completely open to their authors. Systematic bias can be easily introduced in the selections and representation of statements from sources. A few users support him, opponents lack knowledge of the etiquette in here or of historical topics. Piece of cake for him. "He who controls the past commands the future," he writes mysteriously [17].
His abstinence of sharing his personal views pertaining to Germany or Germans is useful to him. Under pressure, such as on the other board, he produces doubt, calling his doings "simply his expansion of topics related to German history and Polish-German relations, which he has personal interest and knowledge of", and goes on to suggest that he is simply an anti-Nazi. This sounds good and deludes certainly some people, but his disputes and actions suggest a different motivation; they are all argumentatively against anything German. Has he ever written anything positive of Germans or Germany in the past instead of always against [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]? Although actions speak louder than words, actions can be interpreted in different ways, and so the importance of clear-cut statements remains to understand his motives behind his doings. For this reason I was especially lucky to have found a genuine account of him in an internet forum. In contrast with on Wikipedia he did not have to mince his words in the forum and really he did not do it very much. This is also because he has a novel pseudonym, "Shade2". His genuine views are the missing piece of the puzzle that is his editing. As we will see, they blend into haughtiness, bigotry, rhetoric, egoism and ugly nationalism. Someone who likes questioning others` neutrality [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] turns out to be the biased user. I found his novel account as I was searching about "Selbstschutz and 741,000" [48] because of a recent edit about that [49]. The only thing I discovered was this forum, and the strange person in it who brought up Selbstschutz, the same number and the interconnection between number and organization turns out to be "Molobo".
There is sufficient proof in bulk that they are the same person. That edit, for example, could also be traced back [50]. Another time, again about Selbstschutz, he was trying to implicate so many Germans as he could. He decreased the one number and increased the other and argued with regard to demographics [51]. Arguing with regard to Selbstschutz and demographics is what "Molobo" had done [52]. The map presented in the forum post would also afterwards be used by "Molobo" [53] [54]. Additionally, "Shade2" identifies as an atheist openly [55], like "Molobo" [56]. "Molobo" was also involved in forums [57] [58]. "Molobo" at one time remarked of being under "exam" stress and identified as "transhumanist"(?) [59], "Shade2" as well later identified as a "transhumanist" [60] and as "completing university with Russia as one of subjects of study." [61], afterwards "Molobo" claimed of now being a "holder of master's degree in international relations" [62]. "Shade2" reveals that he "really loves China" [63], "Molobo" engages in the Tibet-China conflict on Wikipedia to advocate only the Chinese side [64] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70]. The topics and sources are the same, such as post-`45 polls [71] [72], or his ridicule of the German resistance as White Rose with only six members [73] [74] [75]. "Shade2" has edited Wikipedia [76] as 83.27.67.160 [77] and this address comes from the city [78] that "Molobo" affirms to come from [79]. Evidence is at every corner, but it is like a huge and therefore difficult memory cards game, for example Tinky Winky and homosexuality [80] [81] or Merkel and Catherine the Great [82] [83]. Finally for the last doubters, read this. "Molobo" picked on Buddhism almost never, I leafed through all his edit history pages. There is one edit here [84] and a couple on the Polish speaking Wikipedia [85]. The FIRST of those is dated "21:46, 18 paź 2006 (CEST)" [86]. "CEST" is UTC+2 [87], "paź" means "October" [88]. To see easily that it is about discrimination, see his next edit [89]. "Shade2" made only one post about Buddhism [90]. It is dated "Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:48 pm". "All times are GMT" in the forum [91]. "GMT" is UTC+0 [92]. In UTC: "Molobo" talks about discrimination in Buddhism for the first time dated "19:46, 18 Oct 2006", "Shade2" "7:48 pm, Oct 18, 2006". What are the odds? There is absolutely no doubt that "Shade2" is "Molobo".
To move on, I will start with samples of less relevant views. One thing I noticed in the posts of "Shade2" was egoism, often political. Cell phone prices are the first thought about a conflict in Congo [93]. About the global climate catastrophe he bumps in "Finally I have nice tanning summer and worm witners, and I can go out in winter clubbing with my t-shirt instead of having to wear warm clothes [Smiley]" [94]. "Where can I buy toilet paper with EU flag on it?" [95]. "Those who are against progress can go eat grass and berries in forest." [96]. Rich create global warming, poor suffer most? "The poor should try to become rich then." [97]. "Its cheaper and easier just to block the wave o migrants then fix Africa and accomodate the migrants." [98]. Few foreigners bad? "Why should I want terrorist attacks in my country or riots ?" [99]. "I rather have prosperity built on blood then poverty." [100]. I took notes of his insane view of Russia only very sporadically. His propagation is wholly negative. Russia, according to him a third-world country [101], a failed state [102] with resemblance of cemetery [103], "has never brought to Poland anything but destruction, exploitation, slavery, hatred, mass opression and poverty." [104]. "The less Russian influence in the world, the more prosperity and peace for the world." [105]. "Russia isn't interested in money, culture, its image. Only in power." [106]. "All of Russians' dreams will be crushed by us Poles. Always." [107]. "I don't feel like I have an expecting audiance when adressing Russians." [108]. "I will be happy to meet a non-imperialist Russian. So far I haven't. But I am still full of hope." [109]. He also makes fun of the Russians` life expectancy [110]. "The monster that is Russian Empire is hungry again. We can now hear its trembling belly on the internet, lusting for new slaves and victims, hungry for people of Central Europe. It is a certainity that the hunger for enslavement of our people will be followed by actions trying to satisfy that hunger." [111]. "The path of conquest and exploitation of others is the only way Russia is capable of seeing as means of developing itself." [112]. "the peace and love-giving Russians" is meant ironically [113]. "its such fun to see Russia dreams ruined [Laugh out loud]" [114].
"I am for Poland having nuclear weapons also. It would ensure our security against Germny and Russia." [115]. Exactly, he has the same sick propagation about Germany as about Russia. "It was mistake to let Germany exist in its form after WW2." [116]. "Yes, we know Germans respect treaties very much. Molotov can confirm that." [117]. "And you forgot to mention that NPD is growing in power. But it wasn't NPD that gave a highest Bavarian medal to somebody who served in elite bodyguard unit of Hitler... It isn't NPD that praises Prussian state, claims parts of Poland belong to Germany, claims Hitler's colonists as victims of Poland, makes racist jokes about Poles in German TV. This is a daily part of German media and society." [118]. "Right now Poles are generating jobs and profits for EU. EU in return gives us fines, and people from Germany, England are buying up our house market, making it impossible to buy homes for Poles. " and "USA won't try to abolish our state. France and Germany are trying though. " [119]. Relations between Poland and Germany are bad because? "its Merkels governments attempts to re-establish German nationalism " [120]. "A German source is hardly objective as scholary knowledge." [121] and [122]. He does not think that Germany and Russia really are different from 1940 [123] or learned [124].
According to him Germany brings death [125]. It is often hard to quote just one part in stead of everything; read this [126] and the next [127] and here [128]. What nations do you consider to be imperialist powers? "Today only Russia, Iran and Germany. All other countries are interested in peacefull and prosperous co-existance of the world. The three rogue nations named by me are interested in destroying the status of the world in the name of creating empires that would serve their nationalistic desires." [129]. "Yes, without those two countries the world would be a lot better place. They are responsible for most of major conflicts. Other potential powers are either concentrated inward or helpfull." [130]. Germany tries to enslave Europe [131]. Germans dress awfull and sloppy [132] and live 60 years in the past [133]. He compares a united Europe to Nazism [134]. "Tell that the next time Bundestag appoints milions of euros on attempts to portay Germans as victims of WW2. It should be next year, as suall." [135]. "Did anything good ever came out of Germany" [136]. "German press if full of slogans that "Germany must educate others" "They haven't grown to level of Germany" etc.The typical German attitude of arrogance and nationalism." [137]. "Unlike Germany, we in Poland have opinion that citizens aren't bound to have opinions identitical to government. In my opinion, and in opinion of many others Germany should pay 540 bilion of euro of compensations it owes Poland." [138]. "But as you show, not in Germany that bloats itself in its nationalistic visions of German "virtues" and "gifts" to the world. Perhaps this last word is true-Germany gave a lot of "gifts" to others, Poles and Jews especially, but only if you use the word in German meaning-gift after all means poison in German language." [139].
"As far as I know Germany is an artificial creation of XIX century Prussian imperalism and nationalistic myths created by romantic propagandists.It would be better if it would be dissolved by Allies after WW1 and WW2-too bad it didn't happen as those natonalistic myths are highly infectious and give self-proclaimed "Germans' a disturbing fever and seizures especially towards Poles and Czechs." [140]. "Next time-try to read some decent history book German. By decent I don't mean German book though.[Laugh out loud]" [141]. Nazi Germany and Germany today the same? "Ambitions roughly the same-German nationalism and arrogance combined with desire to dominate Europe. Politically also similiar, Nazis responsible for murdering Poles continued to be respected politicians. Geographically still continuing to control territories gained from Slavs. Foreign Policy-continued domination of Europe, this time with diplomatic and economic means." [142]. "But they will care about you. How many American troops are safeguarding Europe from German dreams ? Is it 100.000 ? Last time I heard they decided to stay in the bases actually. What are you going to do German about them ? Show them your beautifull women to scare them away ? [Laugh out loud]" [143]. Germany "continues to greed for Polish territory" [144]. "If Hypocracy was a goddess she would come from heavens and made her throne in Berlin." and more [145]. "Yeah I enjoy them more then German comedy shows in RTL where they laugh at a cow pissing or at jokes that Poles are bandits(seems you use the same jokes from WW2, not much creativity in your country it seems). The fine German humour..." [146]. "LOL. Afraid of Germans ? They can't even manage their own country." [147]. Importance of German economy? "The World can easly survive without German porn, vomit tasting food or polluting cars." [148]. "EU is already dominated and bullied by Germans as recent events show. Any attempt of indepedence is treated with agression and anger.It's obvious that any Core Union will be a tool for German nationalism." [149]. "If one doesn't want to serve Germany then one is branded a hater. Listen German-EU is made out of many countries, your attempts to dominate them may fail, and with Polish presence German influence decreases. The war for freedom in Europe from German arrogance and nationalism can still be won." [150].
"Shade2" was created and mainly used only while "Molobo" could not edit the English speaking Wikipedia due to being blocked. This provided us the temporary opportunity of capturing his clear-cut views that are kept from Wikipedia away but that determine and make his constant doings understandable. There are more anti-Germans, I suspect, and the entirety of German-Polish topics wants screening. It is obvious that not every Pole here is like that, because for example, although there are reflexes to talk down and defend the user [151], his activism has been quashed on the Polish Wikipedia again and again [152]. On the lax English-speaking Wikipedia he learned gradually to keep within the limit of three reverts and watches what he says [153]; so he cannot get blocked. I pay homage to the contributors who are willing and bold enough to take him on and try to discourage, instead of letting him. Too many edits still get through. For example, everyone who sees them can understand that his edits about Cambridge senior lecturer Christopher Clark were tendentious in the extreme [154] in the old manner of flooding an article with bias [155]. But they remained in the article for 33 hours until from Cambridge University [156] "the subject of this article" had to go to the trouble of displacing them himself [157]. Any normal search engine query could produce enough material about Christopher Clark and his well-known book on Prussia, "the best history of Prussia currently available in any language. However, more than that (and here it beats its German rivals hands-down), it is written with a literary finesse and narrative elan that establish its author as one of the finest writers of history at work in Britain today. It is a virtuoso performance." [158]. The fact that there are not enough rules or people to really contain and discourage his static and enormous or exclusive pursuit of Polish nationalist interests is endorsed by his more than eleven thousand edits. It is good news to the Polish nationalist holes in general that that activity is worthwhile.-- Sebastian Z. ( talk) 16:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I do not try dispute resolution, because I do not have a dispute with him. I am not a political scientist, a historian or a lawyer; I have enough sense to see my own limits and not enter a boxing ring with a heavyweight. My treatise was meant as a consciousness-raiser. It was a complete summation of my understanding of his editing. From here Wikipedians could be able to take over the matter. It also stretched my overtime to the breaking point, so that I have to catch up with unrelated personal affairs, instead of being able to maintain my expenses of time. I will not participate in long or circular discussions. "Molobo" is not really my problem. If Wikipedia does not decide to see it as the problem of Wikipedia, my time is wasted here. I am mistrustful of the abilities of Wikipedia in general. The maximum sentence after dispute resolution is a ban. But a ban does not override or discourage his or her past doings. It is also improbable to come to a ban; I do not believe that the framework of rules and procedures on Wikipedia has what it takes. My best bet is to raise awareness.-- Sebastian Z. ( talk) 20:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Not makin' this up. Gwinnett County Public Schools, Georgia.
It's ridiculous. I often use Wikipedia to get a general idea of a topic. Sure, there's a few articles on Wikipedia I can think of that are kind of pornographic (do we really need an article for every sex position with illustrations?), but you might as well block Google if you're trying to block out everything pornographic.
Part of me wishes that Wikipedia could implement some sort of NSFW filter, but it's stupid that that would be needed to satisfy some people. I swear, I'm going to have to buy a 4 gig flash drive and put a text version of Wikipedia on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyktoo ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Depending on the quality of your school's blocking, you might be able to access Wikipedia via https: [160]. Not to mention one of the many mirrors that exist of our content. Gracenotes T §
Personally I don't think it needs to be censored. Also I think the schools are taking this to far. We will all in our lives masturbate or not, we all see our penises when putting on underwear, we all see our animals masturbate, and we will all have sex with a woman once in our lives. Its a part of keeping the species alive. Our instincts are not inappropriate for the world to see. Our instincts are natural and shouldn't be banned. When we caveman did we care. I don't really think so. Now I can see if they were in elementary now that is something else. Middle school should be introduced to that kinda stuff. But once you are high school and in college its fine. The problem is that we want to shelter our children. Its not a bad thing, but once they are in the world, are adults and exposed to that stuff without the knowledge or the exploration of it now they might not be to handle it as properly as they should. The purpose of these is to talk to them about the idea, introduce the idea, and then subject the idea. 71.142.222.245 ( talk) 22:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
Find some proxies at home, and write down the URL's. Odds are your school can't have blocked each and every proxy on the internet. Ilikefood ( talk) 22:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I have a penis to see in the mirror. So that was my view with my penis. I can rephrase. We all masturbate, we all see vagina in the mirror, we will see an animal masturbate, and we will see our boyfriend or husband's penis the mirror and have sex. There rephrased. Cardinal Raven ( talk) 23:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven
I think all this talking of using proxies etc is an exceptional bad idea. Regardless of how stupid it may be for a school to block all of wikipedia, IF a school has decided to do so, and you agreed to their rules, which we can presume you did if you are attending said school, you likely agree to restrictions on your internet usage in school which would include accepting whatever filtering they impose. Circumventing said filtering is almost definitely in violation of your school's rules and is liable to get you in trouble. If you want to access wikipedia at school and it's being blocked, talk to your school administration, your parent/s, your government, your local newspaper, whatever. Or just forget about wikipedia at school and use wikipedia at home, at your local library, at a friend's house, or wherever. But don't go around violating your school rules just because you don't agree with them unless you want to get suspended or expelled, which hopefully you don't... Note that even if the blocking is accidental, you may still get into trouble for circumventing the filtering. Nil Einne ( talk) 18:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)