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Wrong venue. Copied from the edit request at Template talk:Para#Add nowrap for para, which was rejected as "consensus required". April 2023 attempt to seek said consensus received no response. That system leaves a lot to be desired.
I used {{
para}}
and got a line break after the pipe character. This looked ridiculous and makes little sense. I assume other line breaks would be possible, such as after a hyphen in the parameter name. Adding {{
nowrap}}
or equivalent would make far more sense than requiring editors to code, e.g., {{nowrap|{{para|archive-url}}}}
. While Note 2 below the table at "General-purpose formatting" speaks of nowrap options, I'm at a loss to see how they help my situation. In any event, I don't see how automatic, unconditional nowrap for all uses of {{
para}}
could be the slightest bit controversial. At the very least, an option could be added to suppress the default of nowrap for cases where horizontal space is limited, such as in tables.
See also
Template talk:Para#no line-breaks in output, where a request for this was ignored (or never seen) 13 months ago. As to If the proposed edit might be controversial, discuss it on the protected page's talk page before using this template.
, well, we've seen how effective that was. ―
Mandruss
☎
21:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
|archive-url=
should all be on one line, not wrapped, because "archive-url" is a single concept (the parameter name) and should not be split in any way, despite the hyphen. I do not find broader ideological opposition to nowrap persuasive if it is applied reflexively to this circumstance without considering the particular situation here. I would find examples of instances in which parameters should be wrapped much more persuasive.
Sdkb
talk
02:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
|archive-url=
for instance is ok.it just requires more thought by those writing the uses. —
TheDJ (
talk •
contribs)
06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
param=part sounds reasonable. Sdkb talk 14:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
|quote=Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
should be wrapped, although "|quote=" should not be. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk)
09:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)|chapter-url-access=
wraps on a hyphen, and certainly the "value" passed to the template should be able to wrap (think |title=Dictionary of Law, Containing Definitions of Terms and Phrases of American and English Jurisprudence, Ancient and Modern: Including the Principal Terms of International, Constitutional and Commercial Law; with a Collection of Legal Maxims and Numerous Select Titles from the Civil Law and Other Foreign Systems 1891
), but it's disorienting to receive as output |
date=
.
Folly Mox (
talk)
12:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
|1=
from the leading pipe through the trailing equal. However, I oppose nowrap for |2=
. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk)
13:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Keep for another nine days. ― Mandruss ☎ 12:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep for another nine days. ― Mandruss ☎ 18:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Should an image copyright template be made for copyrighted online video thumbnails, presumably derived from those
for non-free title cards and
for non-free video screenshots. It would ideally be titled Template:Non-free video thumbnail
.
JohnCWiesenthal (
talk)
03:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi dear Wikipedians!
I am from Albania and I have a request. Can you consider to create a Wikipedia for Arbëresh language, an Indo-European language which belongs to the Albanian language family and is spoken in Italy, but this language is different from Albanian and isn't mutually intelligible with Standard Albanian. That's why I am requesting to someone who can contribute and make available a Wikipedia in Arbëresh language, in order to keep this language alive and for Arbëresh speakers, which are different from Albanian speakers, to have their own Wikipedia and to create and also edit articles on their own Wiki. Thanks SanoIsufi ( talk) 10:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
A mechanism where editors sign up to do this role and get selected/pinged randomly by a bot to make an RfC where the involved editors feel they wouldn't be able to be neutral or facilitate discussion and target common ground. The botched RfC I've done at Talk:United States is what propels me to ask for this, I'm too passionate about it and can't find neutrality/respectful constructive discussion. I'm sure this issue is commonplace and I think this would be a good solution, similar to 3O. Alexanderkowal ( talk) 11:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
"How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?". It would be reasonable to say
"I would like the dispute participants and the moderator to work together to craft a brief, neutral statement and start an RfC."Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 12:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
![]() | You can ask for help with writing your RfC question on this page's talk page. |
I propose showing a notice similar to {{ Draft at}} to visitors who are being redirected from an article that has a draft, as such: "(Redirected from X; there is a draft at Y)" This proposal was previously added as an idea here, where another editor commented it could technically work and would be useful to have. -- Talky Muser ( talk) 05:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
I invite the community to consider the following question: Do articles about cities need vector maps of cities in SVG format - editable, with a full CC-0 license, for free use in any media, publications, presentations, projects, etc.
Let me explain. I have been designing vector maps for many years. Now I have the opportunity to provide a large number of my city maps in SVG format.
I am sure that a map of streets and roads of a city is the main and most necessary content in Wiki articles about cities. In most cases - in articles about cities - there are no such maps. I tried to publish some of my maps in Wiki articles.
And I was extremely surprised that my maps were immediately removed. Reasons for deletion - some users did not like my nickname, some - my user page (and what is written there) - they considered it advertising, some - generally claim that city maps in articles about cities are not needed at all (most users) - and I’m sure that all these claims are unfounded and constitute a form of vandalism. Discuss. and all the arguments of the parties can be read HERE: /info/en/?search=User_talk:Vectormapper#Maps_and_promotion
LIST OF THE FREE CITY MAPS in SVG EDITABLE CC-0
[ [1]] [ [2]] [ [3]] [ [4]] [ [5]] [ [6]] [ [7]] [ [8]] [ [9]] [ [10]] [ [11]] [ [12]] [ [13]] [ [14]] [ [15]] [ [16]] [ [17]] [ [18]] [ [19]] [ [20]] [ [21]] [ [22]] [ [23]] [ [24]] [ [25]] [ [26]] [ [27]] [ [28]] [ [29]] [ [30]] [ [31]] [ [32]] [ [33]] [ [34]] [ [35]] [ [36]] [ [37]] [ [38]] [ [39]] [ [40]] [ [41]] [ [42]] [ [43]] [ [44]] [ [45]] [ [46]] [ [47]] [ [48]] [ [49]] [ [50]] [ [51]] [ [52]] [ [53]] [ [54]] [ [55]] [ [56]] [ [57]] [ [58]] [ [59]] [ [60]] [ [61]] [ [62]] [ [63]] [ [64]] [ [65]] [ [66]] [ [67]] [ [68]] [ [69]] [ [70]] [ [71]] [ [72]] [ [73]] [ [74]] [ [75]] [ [76]] [ [77]] [ [78]] [ [79]] [ [80]] [ [81]] [ [82]] [ [83]] [ [84]] [ [85]] [ [86]] [ [87]] [ [88]] [ [89]] [ [90]] [ [91]] [ [92]] [ [93]] [ [94]] [ [95]] [ [96]] [ [97]] [ [98]] [ [99]] [ [100]] [ [101]] [ [102]] [ [103]] [ [104]] [ [105]] [ [106]] [ [107]] [ [108]] [ [109]] [ [110]] [ [111]] [ [112]] [ [113]] [ [114]] [ [115]] [ [116]] [ [117]] [ [118]] [ [119]] [ [120]] [ [121]] [ [122]] [ [123]] [ [124]] [ [125]] [ [126]] [ [127]] [ [128]] [ [129]] [ [130]] [ [131]] [ [132]] [ [133]] [ [134]] [ [135]] [ [136]] [ [137]] [ [138]] [ [139]] [ [140]] [ [141]] [ [142]] [ [143]] [ [144]] [ [145]] [ [146]] [ [147]] [ [148]] [ [149]] [ [150]] [ [151]] [ [152]] [ [153]] [ [154]] [ [155]] [ [156]] [ [157]] [ [158]] [ [159]] [ [160]] [ [161]] [ [162]] Vectormapper ( talk) 01:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Policy | Technical | Proposals | Idea lab | WMF | Miscellaneous |
The proposals section of the village pump is used to offer specific changes for discussion. Before submitting:
Discussions are automatically archived after remaining inactive for nine days.
Wrong venue. Copied from the edit request at Template talk:Para#Add nowrap for para, which was rejected as "consensus required". April 2023 attempt to seek said consensus received no response. That system leaves a lot to be desired.
I used {{
para}}
and got a line break after the pipe character. This looked ridiculous and makes little sense. I assume other line breaks would be possible, such as after a hyphen in the parameter name. Adding {{
nowrap}}
or equivalent would make far more sense than requiring editors to code, e.g., {{nowrap|{{para|archive-url}}}}
. While Note 2 below the table at "General-purpose formatting" speaks of nowrap options, I'm at a loss to see how they help my situation. In any event, I don't see how automatic, unconditional nowrap for all uses of {{
para}}
could be the slightest bit controversial. At the very least, an option could be added to suppress the default of nowrap for cases where horizontal space is limited, such as in tables.
See also
Template talk:Para#no line-breaks in output, where a request for this was ignored (or never seen) 13 months ago. As to If the proposed edit might be controversial, discuss it on the protected page's talk page before using this template.
, well, we've seen how effective that was. ―
Mandruss
☎
21:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
|archive-url=
should all be on one line, not wrapped, because "archive-url" is a single concept (the parameter name) and should not be split in any way, despite the hyphen. I do not find broader ideological opposition to nowrap persuasive if it is applied reflexively to this circumstance without considering the particular situation here. I would find examples of instances in which parameters should be wrapped much more persuasive.
Sdkb
talk
02:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
|archive-url=
for instance is ok.it just requires more thought by those writing the uses. —
TheDJ (
talk •
contribs)
06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
param=part sounds reasonable. Sdkb talk 14:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
|quote=Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
should be wrapped, although "|quote=" should not be. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk)
09:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)|chapter-url-access=
wraps on a hyphen, and certainly the "value" passed to the template should be able to wrap (think |title=Dictionary of Law, Containing Definitions of Terms and Phrases of American and English Jurisprudence, Ancient and Modern: Including the Principal Terms of International, Constitutional and Commercial Law; with a Collection of Legal Maxims and Numerous Select Titles from the Civil Law and Other Foreign Systems 1891
), but it's disorienting to receive as output |
date=
.
Folly Mox (
talk)
12:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
|1=
from the leading pipe through the trailing equal. However, I oppose nowrap for |2=
. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk)
13:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Keep for another nine days. ― Mandruss ☎ 12:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep for another nine days. ― Mandruss ☎ 18:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Should an image copyright template be made for copyrighted online video thumbnails, presumably derived from those
for non-free title cards and
for non-free video screenshots. It would ideally be titled Template:Non-free video thumbnail
.
JohnCWiesenthal (
talk)
03:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi dear Wikipedians!
I am from Albania and I have a request. Can you consider to create a Wikipedia for Arbëresh language, an Indo-European language which belongs to the Albanian language family and is spoken in Italy, but this language is different from Albanian and isn't mutually intelligible with Standard Albanian. That's why I am requesting to someone who can contribute and make available a Wikipedia in Arbëresh language, in order to keep this language alive and for Arbëresh speakers, which are different from Albanian speakers, to have their own Wikipedia and to create and also edit articles on their own Wiki. Thanks SanoIsufi ( talk) 10:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
A mechanism where editors sign up to do this role and get selected/pinged randomly by a bot to make an RfC where the involved editors feel they wouldn't be able to be neutral or facilitate discussion and target common ground. The botched RfC I've done at Talk:United States is what propels me to ask for this, I'm too passionate about it and can't find neutrality/respectful constructive discussion. I'm sure this issue is commonplace and I think this would be a good solution, similar to 3O. Alexanderkowal ( talk) 11:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
"How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?". It would be reasonable to say
"I would like the dispute participants and the moderator to work together to craft a brief, neutral statement and start an RfC."Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 12:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
![]() | You can ask for help with writing your RfC question on this page's talk page. |
I propose showing a notice similar to {{ Draft at}} to visitors who are being redirected from an article that has a draft, as such: "(Redirected from X; there is a draft at Y)" This proposal was previously added as an idea here, where another editor commented it could technically work and would be useful to have. -- Talky Muser ( talk) 05:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
I invite the community to consider the following question: Do articles about cities need vector maps of cities in SVG format - editable, with a full CC-0 license, for free use in any media, publications, presentations, projects, etc.
Let me explain. I have been designing vector maps for many years. Now I have the opportunity to provide a large number of my city maps in SVG format.
I am sure that a map of streets and roads of a city is the main and most necessary content in Wiki articles about cities. In most cases - in articles about cities - there are no such maps. I tried to publish some of my maps in Wiki articles.
And I was extremely surprised that my maps were immediately removed. Reasons for deletion - some users did not like my nickname, some - my user page (and what is written there) - they considered it advertising, some - generally claim that city maps in articles about cities are not needed at all (most users) - and I’m sure that all these claims are unfounded and constitute a form of vandalism. Discuss. and all the arguments of the parties can be read HERE: /info/en/?search=User_talk:Vectormapper#Maps_and_promotion
LIST OF THE FREE CITY MAPS in SVG EDITABLE CC-0
[ [1]] [ [2]] [ [3]] [ [4]] [ [5]] [ [6]] [ [7]] [ [8]] [ [9]] [ [10]] [ [11]] [ [12]] [ [13]] [ [14]] [ [15]] [ [16]] [ [17]] [ [18]] [ [19]] [ [20]] [ [21]] [ [22]] [ [23]] [ [24]] [ [25]] [ [26]] [ [27]] [ [28]] [ [29]] [ [30]] [ [31]] [ [32]] [ [33]] [ [34]] [ [35]] [ [36]] [ [37]] [ [38]] [ [39]] [ [40]] [ [41]] [ [42]] [ [43]] [ [44]] [ [45]] [ [46]] [ [47]] [ [48]] [ [49]] [ [50]] [ [51]] [ [52]] [ [53]] [ [54]] [ [55]] [ [56]] [ [57]] [ [58]] [ [59]] [ [60]] [ [61]] [ [62]] [ [63]] [ [64]] [ [65]] [ [66]] [ [67]] [ [68]] [ [69]] [ [70]] [ [71]] [ [72]] [ [73]] [ [74]] [ [75]] [ [76]] [ [77]] [ [78]] [ [79]] [ [80]] [ [81]] [ [82]] [ [83]] [ [84]] [ [85]] [ [86]] [ [87]] [ [88]] [ [89]] [ [90]] [ [91]] [ [92]] [ [93]] [ [94]] [ [95]] [ [96]] [ [97]] [ [98]] [ [99]] [ [100]] [ [101]] [ [102]] [ [103]] [ [104]] [ [105]] [ [106]] [ [107]] [ [108]] [ [109]] [ [110]] [ [111]] [ [112]] [ [113]] [ [114]] [ [115]] [ [116]] [ [117]] [ [118]] [ [119]] [ [120]] [ [121]] [ [122]] [ [123]] [ [124]] [ [125]] [ [126]] [ [127]] [ [128]] [ [129]] [ [130]] [ [131]] [ [132]] [ [133]] [ [134]] [ [135]] [ [136]] [ [137]] [ [138]] [ [139]] [ [140]] [ [141]] [ [142]] [ [143]] [ [144]] [ [145]] [ [146]] [ [147]] [ [148]] [ [149]] [ [150]] [ [151]] [ [152]] [ [153]] [ [154]] [ [155]] [ [156]] [ [157]] [ [158]] [ [159]] [ [160]] [ [161]] [ [162]] Vectormapper ( talk) 01:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)