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Mike Amato

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Non-notable person, not exactly a musician but involved in the music industry. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Binksternet ( talk) 20:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Unless this is the same person [1], which I doubt, there is no coverage of this tour manager to be found. The links used in the article appear to be either primary or for companies, so not RS. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Manto (musician)

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I'm not finding much of anything in a BEFORE search on this musician other than YouTube videos of a few of their performances. None of the usual press reviews of notable musicians. The article is part of a walled garden on the Munshi/Munsi family. Of the current citations, the Ghosh book is used as a source in all of these Munsi articles, and it is not clear if it is a connected source. The Eklund source is connected as an extended family member. The musician does not meet inclusion criteria for WP:NMUSICIAN nor WP:GNG. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone ( talk) 18:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Jasën Blu

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Nothing in this article makes the subject inherently notable, literally. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. The sources are run of the mill coverages and PRs for singles and so on. The few others that aren't PRs are promotional puff pieces. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Henna Singal

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Does not pass the notability guidelines for WP:MUSIC. Released one album with a few singles that did not chart. Not via a major label. Karst ( talk) 11:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Medwyn Goodall

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This appears to be a vanity page for a musician. While his body of work is extensive, I cannot find any substantial online coverage of him to fulfill WP:BASIC or WP:MUSICBIO. The second reference states that he has topped the UK music charts twice, but this appears to be a fanzine of questionable reliability and I can't find any mention of him at the official chart website. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 08:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment I've searched the official charts database, and I agree with the nominator, I am unable to find evidence of charting (though potentially it could be so far back in time to not be available online), including under his alternate name. However - there is a WP:RSMUSIC Allmusic staff bio available, which is both non-trivial coverage and confirms gold-certification. Potentially with more verification and coverage this may be a keep. Resonant Dis_tortion 13:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Andreas Waldetoft

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I did not find any secondary, significant coverage in a search for sources that would meet our notability guidelines. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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The Evan Anthem

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Does not pass Notability standards for people or artist/musicians. They additionally haven't been active in years so I don't foresee this changing. Moritoriko ( talk) 01:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Social media and streaming sites are all there is, I don't find any media coverage of the band. What's now used for sourcing in the article is unhelpful. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete - There is no WP:SIGCOV for it Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 13:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Tip the Van

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli ( talk) 00:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete unless someone can find multiple independent reliable sources that devote significant coverage to this band. I couldn't. Cullen328 ( talk) 01:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted‎ autobiography in accordance with WP:G11. Creator is welcome to try again via WP:AFC and submit for review. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 16:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Astro Super-fly

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Non-notable singer. Only sources are to Spotify, YouTube and some other music player. A search finds nothing to indicate importance. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Lack of coverage, I can only find his social media, no news coverage or any sort of critical reviews. There really isn't much of anything, lack of notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete vanity page and likely autobiography. This may deserve a speedy delete under WP:G11. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 16:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Greta Valenti

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None of the sources presently used establish independent notability (either due to not saying much about Valenti, or not being RS, or not being independent), and I wasn't able to find significant coverage of Greta Valenti in reliable sources, only mentions. There also seems to be COI editing in the history of the article. toweli ( talk) 15:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Carla Guevara Laforteza

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Very highly advertorialized ("known for being one of the most fearless and versatile Premiere Leading Ladies", "She enjoys watching movies, baking, and absolutely enjoys Cake, Fried Chicken and Pizza", etc.) WP:BLP of an actress and musician not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for actresses or musicians. There are statements here that would be valid notability claims if they were referenced properly, but nothing so "inherently" notable as to exempt her from having to cite proper sources just because of what the article asserts -- but this was "sourced" almost entirely to IMDB pages, Wikidata items and other Wikipedia articles, none of which are acceptable or notability-supporting sources, and after stripping those out all that's left is three short blurbs that aren't substantive enough to get her over WP:GNG all by themselves if they're the best she can do for proper third party coverage.
I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more knowledge about Philippine musical theatre than I've got can rewrite it neutrally and source it properly, but it can't be kept in this state of writing tone and sourcing. Bearcat ( talk) 13:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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thanks for your comment, we are now currently working with the revisions of the article, the person in this article is also involve now in the revision. Thank you. Jhenie1326 ( talk) 17:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Please familiarize yourself with our conflict of interest rules, because "the person in this article is also involve now in the revision" is the worst thing you could possibly have said here. Bearcat ( talk) 18:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

thanks just for the verification of the information, however the info is now being updated as per the article published by the news or legal website, please be patient.. thank you for your help. Jhenie1326 ( talk) 18:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Robin Davey

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None of the sources presently used establish notability (either due to not saying much about Davey, or not being RS, or not being independent), and I wasn't able to find significant coverage of Robin Davey in reliable sources, only mentions. There also seems to be COI editing in the history of the article, such as edits from User:Growvision01. toweli ( talk) 13:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Lil Phat

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When your biggest claim to fame is a single guest appearance on a more notable rapper's ( Webbie) single and the only coverage is of your death, it's a pretty clear instance of WP:NMUSICBIO. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 00:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Independent (song). Someone searching for Lil Phat in that context is pretty likely. Geschichte ( talk) 09:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NMUSIC, not enough coverage from reliable sources to warrant a standalone article. This also appears to be an autobiography, and it was deleted at a prior AfD a couple of months ago. CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. At best WP:TOOSOON. Cabrils ( talk) 23:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: per nom. No significant coverage. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:BASIC. C F A 💬 01:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
This can now be closed as speedy deleted under G4. C F A 💬 18:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - still no sources with any amount of credibility Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete for lack of notability and significant coverage. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 22:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Survay Says!

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. I can find some reviews, but they're from non-RS. toweli ( talk) 16:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete couldn't find significant coverage. There's a lot of stray mentions/concert listings in small local press, but nothing satisfying the in-depth criterion. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

John Mateer (musician)

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Almost no independent or reliable sourcing. Sourcing that is independent and reliable does not provide WP:SIGCOV, if it mentions the article subject at all which many of the sources in the article do not. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 14:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Thomas Mateer for a previous discussion which ended in the author (the same as for the current article) requested deletion. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 15:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Strong Keep - This nomination is not even worth exerting energy on. There are articles/sources from Forbes, CNN, Seventeen Magazine, Teen Vogue, New York Daily News, BBC Three, ABC, NBC & Los Angeles Times. Many of these articles are exclusively written about the subject with zero involvement from the subject. There is also a German academic thesis cited — amongst other things — that speaks on the significance of the subject. Some of these articles from top news and media outlets on the globe even state having reached out to the subject for comment but received no reply. Excruciatingly blatant examples of independent, reliable and significant coverage.

WP:SIGCOV is satisfied and then some with this article & it’s sourcing.

🂡🂡 9t5 19:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Can you provide some of those examples here? ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 21:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

ScottishFinnishRadish:

Forbes, Forbes again, CBS, CNN, Seventeen Magazine, Teen Vogue, New York Daily News, Philly Voice, BBC3, ABC, The Weather Channel & Los Angeles Times, Social Media Activism in the Obama Era - Thesis (p. 171-173 — labeled on the document as p. 166-168)

Not to be argumentative, but these are all available directly in the reference section of the article.

Regards, 9t5 ( talk) 21:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There's no sigcov there. A paragraph about social media response to the assault in a non-peer reviewed paper, a few video clips about a storm, and some routine coverage of a single event does not establish notability. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

What do you consider significant coverage if not an assault drawing attention from the national media to the lack of hate crime protections for LGBT people in Pennsylvania? As for the storm, there I suggest watching the documentaries referenced, all of which feature the subject. I am almost certain at one point there was also a reference to the inclusion of the subject in a recap of the year 2012 that was televised in the program "20/20".. I’ll have to look. You are asserting your personal opinion by regarding these things as insignificant, but given one of these events you suggest is insignificant was apparently significant enough for a German scholar to include it in her PhD thesis, and considering the article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT studies — perhaps it’s just significant events within the LGBT community that you find insignificant? I ask you kindly to take a look at this. Can you further elaborate on why you assert its insignificance, and furthermore can you reference sections of Wikipedia’s guidelines that back your stance? I look forward to your reply.

The Fordham Ram (US)

"Updating Gay Hate Crime Legislation"

January 18, 2021 · by: Jaclyn Weiner

MediaUpdate.co.za (ZA)

"Superstorm New York: What Really Happened"

November 14, 2012

PRNewswire (US)

"National Geographic Channel To Air First In-Depth Cable Documentary On Wrath And Destruction Of Hurricane Sandy In Superstorm 2012"

November 12, 2012

Stereo Stickman (US)

"John Mateer's 'New York Sound'"

January 16, 2024 · by: Rebecca Cullen

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (US)

"John Mateer: Hate crimes laws protect people like me - and you"

May 28, 2023 · by: John Mateer

Philly Voice (US)

"Man says he was beaten by PSU fraternity member because he's gay"

November 15, 2019 · by: Daniel Craig

Opposing Views (US)

"'Don't Let A Frat Guy Know That You're Gay': Teen Allegedly Beaten Up At Penn State"

March 8, 2018 · by: Amanda Andrade-Rhoades

StateCollege.com (US)

"Penn State Student Charged in Alleged Anti-Gay Assault"

October 15, 2015 · by: Zach Berger

Onward State (US)

"Penn State Altoona Student Charged Following Alleged Homophobic Assault"

October 15, 2015 · by: Megan Fleming

The Underground (US)

"Mateer's Assault and Homophobia at Penn State"

October 12, 2015 · by: Adam Tidball

Total Frat Move (US)

"Viral Tweet Accuses PSU Fraternity Member Of Beating Guy Up For Being Gay, Police Find Suspect Isn't Actually In Fraternity"

October 8, 2015 · by: Harrison Lee

Seventeen (US)

"Gay Teen Brutally Attacked Outside a Penn State Frat House"

October 8, 2015 · by: Elizabeth Denton

COED (US)

"Teen Claims PSU Student Assaulted Him For Being Gay"

October 7, 2015 · by: Alexa Lyons

Logo TV (US)

"GAY TEEN VICIOUSLY BEATEN AT PENN STATE AFTER REVEALING HE IS GAY"

October 7, 2015 · by: Matthew Tharrett

Gay Star News (US)

"Gay college student visiting Penn State comes out outside fraternity house, gets beaten"

October 7, 2015

Teen Vogue (US)

"This Teen Was Beaten Outside a Penn State Frat House After Revealing That He's Gay"

October 7, 2015 · by: Emma Sarran Webster

Edge Media Network (US)

"NY Teen Says Penn State Frat Member Beat Him Over Sexuality"

October 6, 2015

Pink News (GB)

"Police investigate alleged assault on college teen by 'frat member'"

October 6, 2015 · by: JOSEPH MCCORMICK

Edge (US)

"NY Teen Says Penn State Frat Member Beat Him Over Sexuality"

October 6, 2015

Towleroad (US)

"Police Investigating Alleged Anti-Gay Assault of Man at Penn State University"

October 6, 2015 · by: Ande Towle

Metro (US)

"Man claims he was gay bashed by Penn State frat guy"

October 6, 2015 · by: Matthew Lee

NY Daily News (US)

"Long Island teen claims Penn State fraternity member beat him for being gay: 'Don't let a frat guy know that you're gay'"

October 6, 2015 · by: Melissa Chan

Fox 5 New York (US)

"Police investigate possible anti-gay beating"

October 5, 2015

The Tab (US)

"Gay man allegedly beaten in North Burrowes assault"

October 5, 2015

Inside Edition (US)

"Police Investigate After Teen Says He Was Assaulted at Penn State University For Being Gay"
October 4, 2015 · by: IE Staff

Channel Guide Magazine (US)

"Long Island Medium Season 4 recap of 'Bouffants and Bingo'"

June 16, 2013 · by: Barb Oates

CBS 6 (US)

"Trees fall in NY neighborhood as Sandy comes ashore"

November 2, 2012 · by: Sandi Cauley

Forbes (US)

"Sandy Through The Eyes of YouTube and a Drone: Falling Trees, Fires and Flooding"

November 2, 2012 · by: Kashmir Hill

Pirman (ES)

"'Esto es el 'Apocalipsis'. Sandy videos: Caída de árboles. Fuego. Olas gigantes."

October 31, 2012

Aristegui Noticias (MX)

"'Frankenstorm' se llevó hasta los árboles en EU"

October 31, 2012

CNET (US)

"Sandy video: Falling trees. Fire. 'Apocalypse'"

October 31, 2012 · by: Chris Matyszczyk

Mashable (US)

"'This Is the Apocalypse' Video Shows Sandy Destruction"

October 30, 2012 · by: Stephanie Haberman

Klix (BA)

"Pogledajte s kakvom lakocom uragan Sandy cupa drvece"

October 30, 2012

BostInno (US)

"'Hurricane Sandy 3 Trees Fall and Fire' Becomes Next Double Rainbow Guy"

October 30, 2012 · by: Sam Dwyer

Regards, 9t5 ( talk) 22:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

And again, not to be argumentative but your nomination statement states:

Almost no independent or reliable sourcing.

I genuinely respect this project and certainly your role as an admin, but I am starting to become disheartened by certain editors who use privileges to take Wikipedia Policy & Guidelines and distort them in any way they need to in order to fit their argument.

A community leader should be more than willing to admit oversight or accept that while they hold a high seat, it’s meant to be used to enforce the policy that already exists as is not redefine it without consensus. I am respectfully concluding my involvement in this discussion as I would like to hear the opinions of our peers, but I wish you all the best and it was nice meeting you. 9t5 ( talk) 22:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

None of that has significant coverage or anything that exceeds WP:ROUTINE or WP:BLP1E. You even included a source that the subject wrote. Many of these don't mention the article subject, e.g. Long Island Medium Season 4 recap of 'Bouffants and Bingo' Dumping lists of sources with no explanation of why or how they help establish notability isn't sufficient. Also, knock off the perhaps it’s just significant events within the LGBT community that you find insignificant? ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

For convenience sake, would you please provide links to these? I am attempting to go through them one by one, but it takes considerable time without links provided. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Red-tailed hawk - it was a plaintext list I found online. Again, really trying to not be argumentative here, but why go through all of them? Every single source cited doesn’t need to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV .. so I’m confused why this has turned into a mission of making sure every single last source is up to par with WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. You could save yourself a whole lot of time if you just sought out three and then ran those through the test. Is it independent of the subject? Is it reliable? Is it more than a trivial mention? Well. Then it satisfies WP:SIGCOV (what the nomination is claiming there are no sources that do) and if you can find at least three that pass this test, then we have satisfied WP:GNG. Also note that notability is not a temporary state as per WP:NOTTEMPORARY. This subject has long been established at notable in more than just one area. We actually had a while discussion two years ago on what to even put as the identifier for the article since there is a poet with the same name. I had initially suggested using the subjects middle name but it landed on “(musician)”.. Please don’t stress yourself out trying to have every single source be up to the standards of WP:GNG.. just three. Do the test. If anyone needs, I can do it for you and chart out the requirements satisfied by this article. I can also explain why the nominator thinking a topic or news report is important is not a requirement for WP:SIGCOV like they seem to think. I can also explain why the assertion that something must be personally a topic the nominator finds important in order for it to be included in the encyclopedia despite satisfying WP:SIGCOV & WP:GNG is a form of censorship and I can also explain that Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. I may only have 4,000 edits, but that’s 4,000 edit with 87% remaining live. I am far from a disruptive or unintelligent editor, and I am allowed to find the disregard of Wikipedia policy and guidelines by a sitting admin to be offensive. I am also allowed to say that out loud. I am not here to kiss their ass, I am here to contribute to a project I am passionate about.

Cheers. 9t5 ( talk) 03:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Taking a look at the first three, for example, you've got an opinion piece] in a student paper, an extremely passing mention that name drops Mateer once, and a press release distributed by PR Newswire. The lack of links is making it a bit hard to parse through here and actually get to the root truth.

Alternatively, since you are already deeply familiar with the sourcing, would you be willing to the WP:THREE sources that you believe indicate that this individual has received significant coverage from multiple independent reliable sources in the context of multiple events? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment - ScottishFinnishRadish Apologies, I did not comment on your mention of the first nomination discussion. That discussion took place before I developed the article and I requested speedy delete as the author to provide me time to develop the article. This was before I knew I could vote to draftify, which other contributors to the discussion were suggesting — including Liz, who personally reached out telling me she didn’t want me to give up on the article.

I am unsure why you believe that previous removal of an article at the authors request means that subsequent versions of the article are forevermore subject to deletion, even following development and appropriate sourcing.

I am interested to see how this discussion goes, but I stand behind this nomination being a waste of everyone’s time.

🂡🂡 9t5 20:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Please make your signature smaller. Geschichte ( talk) 21:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep per 9t5's list of sources above. I believe notability is reached. JoeJShmo ^💌 09:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Which of those sources do you believe provides significant coverage of the article subject? ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 12:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I have gone through all the 69 sources in the current version of the article and there is no significant biographical coverage in independent reliable sources needed to satisfy WP:GNG (the closest, though not close, are the subject's appearance on ABC's Katie and a psychic show). The subject doesn't come close to qualifying as a notable musician, filmmaker or entrepreneur either despite the article's title or lede sentence. The best claim to notability is as a victim of an assault; (see this or sources attached to content (properly) removed in this edit due to BLP concerns) but IMO the subject would still fail as per WP:BIO1E and would, in any case, require a complete rewrite of the article as that about a crime rather than a pretend-biography.

( TL;DR) The article as it stands is all padding based on trivial mentions, self-published media and unreliable sources. Abecedare ( talk) 04:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete I've tried to find any RS sources with sigcov - but have failed - beyond the single event. This, which is referenced above for example, started to look promising, but then it references the wikipedia article and is actually a site offering paid-for articles. Even the one critic review of "Metronome" referenced by IMDb is in fact a link back to a Wikipedia upload. I'd be happy to be pinged to change my !vote, but I don't see presently how the subject meets any of the WP notability criteria. Resonant Dis_tortion 07:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
@ ResonantDistortion I remember this! I did that. It is a ZINE. There is no online copy of it but it is handed out locally so I was unsure how to document it correctly. That was back when I just started editing in October-ish 2022 I think. I apologize. Nobody is watching any of the documentaries apparently —- the BBC3 one being one that goes into great depth on the video recorded during sandy. There is also a Weather Channel special that was entirely about the video. You need to just seek some of these out as they are not readily available for free. If I was given time, I could find alternative ways to perhaps transcribe these documentaries for citation. But again, this was a targeted nomination by someone who didn’t like that I proposed a policy against targeted nominations. At the base line, I would like to also consider the fact that is absolutely uncalled for behavior by an admin. Considering they are supposed to foster a productive space not aim to harass new editors. 9t5 ( talk) 01:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete I've looked at the sources and can't see any significant coverage. A Hurricane Sandy video and an assault are not enough to base an article on unless the sources discuss the subject in depth, and I'm not seeing it. Pawnkingthree ( talk) 22:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Pawnkingthree would you openly state that your reasoning is, in fact, in opposition to the language at WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV? Because you have one person claiming this is a one event article, then another claiming that separate events aren’t important enough despite non-trivial mention in reliable independent sources. Do you see how many guidelines and policies I am referencing in this discussion? I would like the same in return. Nobody is giving me any guideline or policy that backs their decision. Just evasion of the ones that are currently on the books. It’s sad. It’s a problem. And it will be addressed beyond this AfD.

Regards. 9t5 ( talk) 01:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment - Just for further information, ScottishFinnishRadish was involved in a dispute regarding my policy proposal and while discussing whether or not the policy was actually voted on correctly or not and whether it should be tagged with {{failed policy}}, tagged it as such anyway before the talk page discussion even concluded. The editor then went and wrote on my talk page a frustrated and rudely written demand for me to change my signature because of the colors. I politely agreed. Following the demand for that, and tagging the policy (a policy which specifically was aimed at preventing targeted nominations and championed WP:WITCHHUNT) according to timestamps - @ ScottishFinnishRadish spent 30-40 minutes going through my contribution history to find something to nominate and this is the best they could find. It’s still shaky, and I am saying right now that the fact I wasn’t given the chance to improve the article before a nom was thrown my way is uncivil, rude and exactly why this website has a retention problem. ScottishFinnishRadish thinks they are a solver of the retention problem when indeed they are the retention problem. This is a targeted nomination and I am asking for editors to think about what they are voting before they do, as this discussion will be permanently available and referenced again.

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The statement "This is a targeted nomination and I am asking for editors to think about what they are voting before they do, as this discussion will be permanently available and referenced again" is incredibly ill-advised. Daniel ( talk) 00:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment If this is deleted, could somebody ping me or take care of this file? The attached non-free file File:Blue Eyes (2024).mp3 is rather dubiously claimed as both CC-BY-SA 4 (based on a user called gigem61477 uploading is as such to the Internet Archive) and fair use. (Though, with no templates and not really any proper rational). I've also nominated File:Detective Sgt John Mateer at Ground Zero NYC in Sept 2001.jpg for deletion over on commons as a Flickrwashed copyvio. (Uploader assumed good faith on a dubious license) GreenLipstickLesbian ( talk) 23:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per source analysis by Abecedare and ResonantDistortion, per WP:NOTPROMO, and because the bio has been written almost exclusively by single-purpose accounts: Coolasacucumba, SigmaEmpath, and Wittyway, which is a dead giveaway of WP:PAID. — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak delete. It seems like there are two potentially notable things about Mateer: his coverage of Hurricane Sandy and the hate crime that he was a victim of. His coverage of Hurricane Sandy was covered repeatedly. However, that is 1 event. I'm not sure its significant coverage but I think the point could be argued, particularly with the O6 news article and the LA times article. The hate crime was also mentioned above, however it is not anywhere in the article. In terms of whether that could be used for notability if it were in the article, see WP:VICTIM. He is not someone who "had a large role within a well-documented historic event." Thus, I don't think it makes sense to claim notability based on that--no matter how well covered the event was. So we're left with just the hurricane. And although there's some coverage of that, if we look at WP:BIO1E and WP:PSEUDO, I don't think that "any reliable sources cover the individual themselves as a main or sole focus of coverage"; he is only covered "in connection with an event or organization" (from WP:PSEUDO). The event in this case is Hurricane Sandy. There might be enough coverage to write something about amateur photography and Hurricane Sandy and mention Mateer, but ultimately I don't think there's enough for his own article. I hope this reasoning was clear. SomeoneDreaming ( talk) 19:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per SFR, plenty of mentions have been trundled out by those advocating keep but my view is none of them meet our standard for significant coverage, per Abecedare. Daniel ( talk) 00:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Layne Harper

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Highly advertorialized (to the point that I strongly suspect WP:AUTOBIO even though I can't prove it) WP:BLP of an actor and musician, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for actors or musicians. As always, actors and musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence that they would pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them -- but this is referenced almost entirely to directory entries that are not support for notability at all, with the only semi-reliable source being a Q&A interview in which he's talking about himself in the first person (which would be acceptable for use if the other sourcing around it were better, but does not get him over GNG in and of itself if it's the strongest source in the mix, per WP:INTERVIEWS).
And further, the claimed "breakthrough" is a bit part as a supporting character (unnamed in the provided source) in a film that's still about a year away from release, which is obviously not the kind of role that can clinch an automatic free pass over NACTOR without adequate sourcing.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this article from having to cite much better sourcing, or from having to have a much more neutral and objective writing tone, than this. Bearcat ( talk) 23:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: "Vibrant heart of ... with a diverse cultural tapestry" is the first red flag. As expected, The Source (source #2) is literally the first hit and the only one in a RS. There's a rich blend of, sorry, lack of references for this individual. Nothing we can use to build a rich blend of an article with a vibrant heart. Lack of sourcing, should be deleted. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: And his photo is directly from Imdb. Red flag #3. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Google search results are mostly social media / self-published sites. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 09:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. IMDB does give the name of his character, but even if we considered that a reliable source, it'd be far from enough. At best, this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, which is indeed very PR-like. Ladyof Shalott 12:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete this borders on meriting a speedy delete under WP:G11. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 22:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - even assuming everything is true and he’s a family man and a working actor, the film he’s in won’t be out until next year - TOOSOON. Bearian ( talk) 02:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Brock Berryhill

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Found no coverage of the artist beyond the one MusicRow article already present. Passing mentions for credits on notable musicians' songs does not make notability here. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 02:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Marc Douglas Berardo

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None of the sources here are ones I know to be reliable, and most appear to be small/local coverage. Nothing else here suggests an NBAND pass. One of his albums is already up for a separate AfD as well. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 12:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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No Depression is reliable source. It is a highly respected music magazine. MarySue Twohy is program director at Sirius XM. Folk Dj is a international organization with a radio station It's part of Folk Alliance International. I believe he meets the criteria for having a single on national music chart if you consider Folk Alliance International https://www.folkradio.org/ Currently his new record is currently #24 on this chart. Two of his vidoes for singles were reviewed by Americana Highways, another respectable music publication although they are not listed in this article. The festivals that he won or was finalist are national competitions Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith were finalists at Kerrville. Most of the other references such as who he performed with were added to support a statement as being true. I agree it needs to be updated, but I not deleted. Performer Research ( talk) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I don't think Folk Alliance International would be considered a valid chart as I would assume it falls under SINGLEVENDOR. No Depression should be reliable and Americana Highways is as far as I know (bit surprised to see neither listed at RSMUSIC), but it's still a bit limited. This could be turned around though. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 18:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It would also help if you could link to the Americana Highways articles and any others you bring up that aren't already present. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 18:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi I am not sure if FAI would be a single vendor. I am not quite understanding the definition. I am looking further into it. I am in the process of updating this page. It will take me a few days since it has not been updated in quite awhile. If there are other suggestions on making this page more compliant, I welcome them. Thank you. Performer Research ( talk) 00:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Skwatta Kamp

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC with no notable discography or chart activity, while their "numerous awards" mentioned in article include only two regional ones. Article has been a poorly-sourced stub since its 2015 creation, and searches turn up the usual niche sites (YouTube, Bandcamp, Genius, et al.) or stories about member deaths. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 00:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Meets notability criterion 3 of WP:BAND (Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country). [2]. Also got coverage from national circulation WP:RS. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8], and they are described in those RS as "legendary" and "revolutionary" indicating that they meet WP:GNG. Also not sure why all the stories about their members dying etc in WP:RS are not indicative of notability as per nom. WP:NOTCLEANUP applies as well. Park3r ( talk) 07:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep the South African Music Awards that the group won are notable national awards, and there is also reliable sources coverage as described by Park3r, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Widescreen Mode

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Non-notable band. -- Viennese Waltz 11:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: If it's notable enough for Finnish Wikipedia, it's notable enough for the English one. Matter of fact, the Finnish article has sources that can be ported with proper translations to the English article. That Article Editing Guy ( talk) 22:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
That is not how the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines work. Regardless, I don't think the sources on the Finnish page demonstrate notability per WP:GNG: one is a press release, three of them are links to music charts, and the last is the band's Facebook page. However, they may qualify through WP:MUSICBIO, criterion 2. ArcticSeeress ( talk) 18:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: There are sources in the corresponding Finnish Wikipedia denoting notability which can be used to expand the article. Requires work though, but certainly not unnotable. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 12:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I'm not sure what the above voters are referring to on the Finnish article. There are 5 sources, all of which don't count towards notability. I've included one additional source (blabbermouth.net) I managed to find below:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://web.archive.org/web/20071102134341/http://pgmfinland.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/widescreen-mode-debyyttialbumi-marraskuussa/		WordPress blog		✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20150927182748/http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/virallinen-lista/artistit/widescreen+mode/until+the+end		? Probably	Chart entry	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20101124070031/http://latauslista.fi/lista/2007/38		? Probably	Chart entry	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20150923181043/http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/virallinen-lista/artistit/widescreen+mode/serotonin		? Probably	Chart entry	✘ No
https://www.facebook.com/widescreenmode/posts/881844021838326?comment_id=978049678884426&offset=0&total_comments=1&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D	Official Facebook page	Facebook post	? Inaccessible and not archived	✘ No
https://blabbermouth.net/news/finland-s-widescreen-mode-to-release-until-the-end-in-november		Listed on WP:A/S	~ Focused on the band's album, not the band itself	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

Even if we count blabbermouth.net as significant coverage, that is only one source that counts towards GNG. Yes, they could meet WP:NBAND because they charted on Finland's national chart, but there isn't enough coverage in reliable sources to write an article. At the moment, most of the article is unsourced original research. Charting does not mean a band is inherently notable or has to be kept; it just means there is usually enough coverage to write an article. C F A 💬 02:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per this. Ping me if something changes but these sources do not appear to contribute towards enough GNG for an article. Traumnovelle ( talk) 05:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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