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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Guidelines about ordering
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Succu becomes the first non-bot user with more than 1000000 edits in Wikidata
• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: ResearcherID, Portuguese Job Code CPP-2010, PSH id, medical condition
  • Newest task forces: Political geography task force
  • Showcase items: Barack Obama, Hubble Space Telescope
  • Fun Fact: Q12345 is Count von Count (ah ah ah)
• Development
  • Made improvements to lower database load
  • Deployed ordering, ranks and a table of contents and fixed issues with those after deployment (mainly performance-related)
  • Worked on preventing import of wikitext into item and property namespace
  • Started working on a new DataModel serialization component which will be usable loose from Wikibase. Both authors and people analysing dumps will thus finally have the deserialization task solved for them.
  • Started working on a version of DataModel that works with the new DataValues components
• Open Tasks for You
  • Update, expand and translate d:Wikidata:Introduction to make it easier for newcomers to understand what Wikidata is all about.
  • Use the rails, help out the Railways task force!
  • Help fix formatting and value issues for a property.
  • Build a bot for one of the "bot requests".
  • Hack on one of these.

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · John F. Lewis 21:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

On 30 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Grange Court, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Grange Court, built as a market hall in 1633 and decorated with carved mermaids, angels and grotesque people, was dismantled and stored in the 1850s? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grange Court. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project ( nominate) 16:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"There is a content dispute at Pink Floyd; your input there would be appreciated." GabeMc ^{( talk| contribs)} 21:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NHS Foundation Trust has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 15:51, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Change the resysopping process
  • Inactive administrators
  • Open RfBs: The Anonymouse
• Events/ Press/Blogs
  • Gerard blogs about the Italian Wikipedia search updates ( See the Polish Wikipedia's update too)
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • The Italian and Polish Wikipedia now display Wikidata results in their searches
  • A few new features which require your testing!
• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: NCL identifier, Catholic Hierarchy ID, discovery method, Sycomore ID, SWB editions, IDEO Job ID, ZDB identifier
  • Newest task forces: Periodicals task force
  • Showcase items: Douglas Adams, ethanol
• Development
  • Finalized localization of quantity values
  • Worked on support for scientific notation in quantities
  • More work on improving diffs
  • Worked on ranks and grouping of statements of the same rank
  • Improved performance of AuthorityControl gadget by a factor of 5
  • Finished work on initial version of ordering of statements
  • Bene* finished the API part of badges support (user interface part is still needed)
  • Database performance improvements
  • Released DataValues Serialization 0.1 https://github.com/DataValues/Serialization/
  • Released Ask Serialization 1.0 https://github.com/wmde/AskSerialization
• Open Tasks for You
  • Update, expand and translate d:Wikidata:Introduction to make it easier for newcomers to understand what Wikidata is all about.
  • Improve some road items in your country by adding some statements to them.
  • Help fix formatting and value issues for a property.
  • Build a bot for one of the "bot requests".
  • Hack on one of these.
  • Help develop the next summary here!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · John F. Lewis 21:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 16:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Andy The bar's open. Linda REP ( talk) 16:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Andy, can I buy you a beer…. sorry - just joking, I know you are drinking whiskey this afternoon. Smdardgmd ( talk) 16:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Andy - happy to buy you a beer! Jonnierocketuk ( talk) 16:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Andy, Thanks for a great training session. Jennyamysmith ( talk) 16:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for a wonderful session Andy. WikiNouveau ( talk) 16:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi - how are you? Spow00 ( talk) 11:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello! I recently had two articles about notable physicians at DYK. (Thanks for your improvements!) I see that you added the authority control template to both of them. Is this something I should routinely add when I am creating a new article? or a new biographical article? Or is its use restricted to certain situations and I should wait for someone who knows the score to add it? Thanks for any explanation! -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

@ MelanieN: Thank you for your kind words; they are nice articles. There are four parts to the answer to your question.

First, to understand authority control. Our documentation is poor, and improving it is on my to-do list. Authority control is the name used in the library and archive world but refers to the unique identifiers for subjects, a bit like ISBNs for books. There are many such schemes, such as VIAF (for people, organisations, and abstract subjects) and ORCID (for people who write, including Wikipedia contributors. You can obtain an ORCID, free, at http://orcid.org ) and more.

Second, to obtain a VIAF for a person, look them up at http://viaf.org/ - if there are more than one person with the same name, look at the date of birth (and death, if applicable), or at the tiles of the example works given. If you're not sure which to use, don't use any. You can also do lookups on the ORCID site, but you're also likely to see ORCIDs on people's business stationery, academic web profiles, in journal credits, or the like.

Third, and this is optional, if your Wikipedia subject has an entry on Wikidata, add the VIAF (or ORCID, or whatever) value there. If you don't know how to do this, or what Wikidata is, just say - it's a whole other subject (P.S. see also below).

Fourthly; there are two options depending on whether there is an authority control value about your subject on Wikidata. If there is just put {{Authority control}} at the foot of the page (you can also do this to see whether any values appear; if they do, magically, then they're coming from Wikidata).

Alternatively, if there are no values on Wikidata, and you don't want to enter them there, then use something like {{Authority control |VIAF= 70042340 |ORCID= 0000-0001-5882-6823 }} using the appropriate values (those are mine; you can see the results on my user page; and do the same if you get an ORCID).

And that's it. Shout if that's not clear, or if you have more questions. If you know any of the people you are writing about, and they publish their research or other writing, please ask them to register for an ORCID. Also, consider recording their voices, or asking them to, as described at Wikipedia:Voice intro project. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Whew! Thanks for the detailed reply; I can see this is way over my head. I'm tempted to simply go with my option #3, "let somebody else do it." But let me ask if this simple-minded approach would work: Add {{authority control}} to the bottom of the page and hit "show preview". If any numbers appear then leave it in; if they don't, omit it. Would that work? (I can see that it wouldn't work if subject's name is not unique, but I tend to write about people with unique names. oops - proven wrong on my very first try!) -- MelanieN ( talk) 03:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, I just tried it on one of my previous subjects, John K. Frost. First I tested my simpleton's approach above; nothing happened at "show preview". Then I checked VIOF and found that he does have a VIOF number: it's 3086444 [1]. What do I do now? Sorry for the dumb questions but I am nobody's idea of a techie. -- MelanieN ( talk) 03:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

(watching) I didn't find the Wikidata entry for him, wonder why, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

@ MelanieN: See if you can create a Wikidata entry for Frost. If you hit a snag, no worries, I'll do that for you. And no, the data won't appear just because the name is unique; it has to be in Wikidata (or in the template directly). It's VIAF ("Virtual International Authority File") , not VIOF, BTW. Your alternative option is also perfectly valid ;-) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Woohoo, that worked! Thank you very much for the tutorial. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:47, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

That's great - nicely done! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, another question, this time about Harry M. Wegeforth. (Now that I sort-of understand this template, I am trying to add it to my prior articles.) He does have a Wikidata entry, but he does not have a VIAF number; apparently he was never entered into that system. So if I add the "Authority control" template to his page, it links to Wikidata, but it doesn't show any numbers. Should I add it anyhow? -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:12, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

No, there's no point. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks again! -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:33, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata

(watching) learned a bit, again, just found VIAF for new article Die Singphoniker by chance, will see if it's on Wikidata, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It isn't, how do I enter it? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Gerda Arendt: You should see a "data item" link under "tools", in the left-hand navigation; that links (in this case) to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1216280 Once you've reached that page, add a "statement". Enter "VIAF" in the property then enter the value, and save. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

done ;) - it's asking for a source, but in this case the link should be the source, no? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 00:06, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes; though it would be neat if that was automated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I found new AC on RIAS Kammerchor in German, did not find it in Wikidata, copied it to English. Is there anything automated to get it to Wikidata? If not, could it be? If not what do we do? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

( talk page stalker) Maximilianklein is probably the right person to ask, he's done a lot of AC importing into Wikidata, including VIAF. Legoktm ( talk) 19:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Gerda Arendt:I have a script that can do a en- de- fr- it- wikipedia to wikidata import of AC (already imported 430,000 items). I could run it again, do you think it should be done with a specific frequency?) Once per month or something? Maximilianklein ( talk) 18:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Andy, thanks for the Paul Shelving edits. Just been browsing around to find my info to build the article.

Have discovered I can just cut and paste stuff into my sandbox - useful.

Am replying to you by clicking on the link from you. BUT have forgotten already - how would I talk to you from scratch? (I know we did in in the session) - i.e. how do I find PIGSONAWING or anyone else to talk to?

Thanks

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Smdardgmd ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Smdardgmd: Glad you're still editing! You can see links to user talk pages, in article histories, and when they visit your talk page. Alternatively, search for "User:Pigsonthewing" (or whatevery the user name is), noting the "User:" prefix. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

On 15 December 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mark Williams-Thomas, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Mark Williams-Thomas researched and presented The Other Side of Jimmy Savile, an award-winning ITV Exposure documentary? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Williams-Thomas. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 04:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for article, image and voice, good history, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Very well done, Andy. Looks great. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:14, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Pigsonthewing, do you still have need for the account creator user right? Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 15:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes: I still regularly deliver training sessions to new editors; and run editathons and similar events which involve new editors. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for the reply. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 00:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

G'day from Oz, and compliments of the season to you. I have explained myself at my Talk page if you want to have a look. Cheers YSSYguy ( talk) 07:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, i'm coming to you with a query about Watkins page as i've noticed you've made many edits to it over the last few days, could you tell me why my edit was reverted and if there is a way to fix it maybe help me if possible, Thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ophuls20393 ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Ophuls20393: Your edit was reverted as it cited a " self published" source (i.e. published by the subject of the article). Personally I think that may be acceptable for a statement about the subjects own views, but you'd do better to discuss that with the editor who reverted you; or raise the matter on the article's talk page. Or perhaps you could reinstate it with a citation to a neutral, third-party source? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah i see, thank you for explaining that, i can't seem to find another source at the moment but i'll keep looking, thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ophuls20393 ( talk • contribs) 22:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Discussion about the RfD process
  • Discussion about Notability of Wikisource on Wikidata
  • Open RfAs: Lymantria, Lavallen
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Wikidata reached 100000000 edits
  • d:User:Dexbot is the first bot to reach 10000000 edits
  • Wikisource is due to receive Wikidata Phase 1 on January the 14th
• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: none
  • Newest task forces: MediaWiki task force
  • Showcase items: Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (Q309988)
  • Fun Fact: According to Wikidata, this is the year of 2004 (Q2014)
• DevelopmentWord from John
  • To give this section some life, since the development team had their holidays last week meaning nothing really got done (let them have one week off at least), I'll say a few words. 2014 is a new year and thus a new start, over the last year Wikidata celebrated its first birthday which brought reflection over what Wikidata had accomplish. Therefore I want to use the start of 2014 to reflect what Wikidata can do. For my personal over view see this page. For the summary, while it is meant to be a weekly simple update, I feel this can be used a lot more effective to put across not only what happened on Wikidata but things about Wikidata on other wikis, I am hoping to start a section over this within the next few weeks. If you have any suggestions for the summary, feel free to drop me a message at meta or Wikidata. Thanks.
• Monthly Tasks
  • Fix a format or content violation for the Public holiday (P832) propery
  • Hack on one of these.
  • Help develop the next summary here!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · John F. Lewis 21:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

	Best wishes
	for the holidays and 2014 from a warmer place than where you probably are ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:33, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Andy, can I ask you for a favour? There has been a grumble that the text at the bottom of Template:Infobox Scottish island is too wordy. I can fix this but there is a problem with the sandbox I can't.

In this version I can see what the infobox is going to look like, which is obviously helpful when messing about. However the code is completely different from the current version of the actual infobox. When I swopped the codes we get this version, with the right code but a collapsed/invisible box. Neither option is useful but I need some help to fix this and have the current code showing what a transclusion will look like (in the sandbox only). Ben Mac Dui 12:25, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Ben MacDui: Sorry, I may be too late to answer that; but I've moved the text to a footnote, which should resolve concerns and means that you can restore the parts you recently removed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:12, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - this is a neat solution (although it is possible that some enthusiast will grumble that it is a 'Note' rather than a 'Reference' at FAC). However, the problem remains that when you amend something in the sandbox you can't see what the revised infobox looks like. Is there no way to amend the sandbox so that you can see what it looks like even if the code is not exactly as per the actual template? Ben Mac Dui 20:06, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Ben MacDui: Have you tried viewing Template:Infobox Scottish island/testcases? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:45, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

This is very helpful - and I didn't know it existed... (!) Ben Mac Dui 12:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Discussion over the notability of the new Draft namespace on the English Wikipedia
  • Discussion over the notability of template documentation items
  • RfC: Notability of item for all special pages
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Wikisource is still scheduled to get language links via Wikidata on January 14th
• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: NLM ID, NDL editions
  • Showcase items: Douglas Adams
  • Fun Fact: The Mayan calendar (Q2012) did not correctly predict the end of the world nor the end of Q items as Wikidata (Q2013) went on to host Wikipedia links this year.
• Development
  • Happy Holidays from the dev team! Have a great time and continue being awesome ;-)
  • Improved and added a lot of tests
  • Worked on displaying qualifiers in the non-JavaScript UI
  • No longer displaying the table of contents from item/property pages if there would be less than 3 entries in it
  • Caching and database improvements
  • Worked on preventing the import of wikitext into the main and property namespace
  • More work on quantities UI
• Open Tasks for You
  • Update, expand and translate d:Wikidata:Introduction to make it easier for newcomers to understand what Wikidata is all about.
  • Use the rails, help out the Railways task force!
  • Help fix formatting and value issues for a property.
  • Build a bot for one of the "bot requests".
  • Hack on one of these.

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · John F. Lewis 13:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to A Boy Was Born there is a section on the talk page already, please make your case there rather than continuing to revert. Callanecc ( talk - contribs - logs) 01:13, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

You appear to have neglected to castigate the editor who reverted me with a bogus claim in his edit summary. No doubt you will rectify that shortly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 01:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

The editor who reverted you took it to the talk page. Callanecc ( talk - contribs - logs) 02:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Would you care to address what I wrote? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 02:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi! I notice Mexico City is now saying its ISO code is invalid in its infobox settlement. But "nah" should be the correct ISO code for Nahuatl. Do you know what's going on? WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Does it not have an ISO 639-1 (two letter code)? That should work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:54, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Nahuatl language only has 639-2 and 639-3 WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

First case of that I've ever heard of. I suggest we ask Mr. Stradivarius to add an exception to the template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Gave him a message: User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius#Exception_needed_for_Infobox_settlement_and_Mexico_City_for_three_letter_language_codes WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:33, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted the change to Template:Infobox settlement for now, as there are probably more pages like Mexico City out there. There are about 150 639-1 codes in existence, but there are about 6000-7000 natural languages, so you can do the math. :) What we need to do now is work out exactly what language codes we need to support. I can think of the following possibilities:

1. All of 639-1 and 639-2.
2. All of 639-1, 639-2 and 639-3.
3. All MediaWiki language codes.
4. 639-1, falling back to 639-2 if necessary.
5. 639-1, falling back to 639-2 if necessary, in turn falling back to 639-3 if necessary.

Once we know which one of these it is it shouldn't be too hard to code up, but I have a feeling that finding out which one it is might be the hard part. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Update: I've gone through and reverted all of the additions of {{ Check ISO 639-1}} to infoboxes, as it looks like it was causing problems across the board. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:57, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; and apologies for this. I was under the impression that the HTML standard specified ISO639-1, but the situation is more complex, as this paper explains. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Officeholder

All the infoboxes with zh-hk are now messed up. See Tam Yiu-chung, Miriam Lau, Albert Ho etc. Anyway you can fix it? Thanks in advance. Lmmnhn ( talk) 08:50, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted for now, as it looks like we will need to rethink our approach. See the thread above for my thoughts on the matter. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Discussion over handling of items
  • RfC: Interwiki links for subpages ( Notability based discussion)
  • Closed: Inactive administrators
  • Closed: Bot policy
  • Closed RfA: Matěj Suchánek (Successful)
  • Open RfA: GerardM
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Add the file and translate namespaces to the list of namespaces excluded from Wikibase Client's linking functionality and enable the "Add links" dialog for pages without language links on commons. ( #58903)
• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: chromosome, produces
• Development
  • Redesign and improvement of toollabs:bene/itemsbycat/. You can also use short urls like toollabs:bene/itemsbycat/enwiki/Wikidata.
  • Worked on reorganizing our git repositories and splitting quite a few of them
  • Worked more on parser cache to be able to cache more content (this failed during the last deployment)
  • Some progress on redirects
  • Tests, tests, tests
  • Vacations \o/
• Monthly Tasks
  • Fix a format or content violation for the Public holiday (P832) propery
  • Hack on one of these.
  • Help develop the next summary here!
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Hi Andy. I see that {{ Timeline-links}} (and {{ UF-timeline}}) does not appear to function and does not appear to be supported any longer. Also, the site it links to ( http://siatec.net/siatec/timeline/index.php) returns a 404. I thought it polite to raise the matter here initially as you may know what exactly is going on with it. Blackberry Sorbet ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. It's a pity that the siatec service is defunct; it would be good to find an alternative. Or perhaps someone might recreate it on our toolserver? The RDF link, though, still functions, so there are no grounds to say that the template "does not appear to function and does not appear to be supported any longer". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, my mistake: I'd forgotten that I recently switched browsers and my current browser doesn't support rdf without adding the required widget. Blackberry Sorbet ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Andy,

Regarding the discussion of adding | relative as a parameter for the artist infobox you suggested that one could embed the artist infobox within person infobox until the | relative parameter was added. I've searched for the documentation regarding embedding infoboxes but cannot seem to find it. I was wondering if you might be able to help me out with that?

Thanks & Best, Alex Hollender

@ AlexHollender: I have made the necessary change, by way of an example, in your sandbox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Pigsonthewing: Thanks so much Andy - I really appreciate it! Been coding for a while but fairly new to Wikipedia editing. AlexHollender ( talk) 22:04, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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I agree with your merger proposal as unnecessary templates that are way too short are 'shunned', not used, QED I suggest also breach WP:ORG and WP:ADVERTISING so are as you point out incorrect. Since 24 December 1000+ articles with the template NHLE in are getting cluttered a wee bit with merger messages. Is it now time to stop notifications on so many pages that the NHLE template is subject to a merger debate? - Adam37 Talk 18:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I've disabled the notifsaction on articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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@ Pgallert: Thanks; I've replied there. Good to hear from you too, How're things going? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Ag, things are rather difficult. Apart from real-life trouble my outreach activities in the second half of the year were disappointing. Maybe 2014 will be better. -- Pgallert ( talk) 21:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@ Pgallert: Sorry to hear that. I don't suppose there's much I can do to help at this distance, but if there is, please let me know. Good luck! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Andy

I've added more detail to the page I created for the first stage of the training at the Birmingham Rep held in December (page title: "Bunker Spreckels"). I've focussed more on practising linking to other Wiki pages, other websites, and the use of bold and italics (rather than the quality of the writing!).

If you have a few minutes to spare would you please have a look and let me know any areas I ought to update or correct please? Otherwise will hope to discuss at the next training session on Wednesday.

Thanks and Happy New Year.

Jonnierocketuk ( talk) 16:44, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

@ Jonnierocketuk: Looks good. Just needs some references, on the paragraphs that don't yet have them. See you soon, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:53, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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I tried to see a less "naked" article next time: Amendment request: Include infoboxes in new articles which they create, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Andy, Happy New Year! Alanatom ( talk) 14:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Have the opera and classical music group agreed to allow authority control in the articles that are under their control? I don't want to waste my time adding the information if they are going to delete it, like they do to infoboxes. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 22:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Despite their apparent pretence to the contrary, there are no articles under their "control", nor that of any other project. In any case, a project wide- RfC agreed to deploy authority control across the project. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I made a test edit. They may not control articles de jure but they do de facto as you well know. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 23:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I added Authority control to articles about people and works, no problem, and infoboxes, some with problems, some without. Compositions are no problem as long as no owner feels offended, big difference between Sparrow Mass (study history) and Mass No. 6 (Schubert), -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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100th birthday was a nice coincidence, thanks again ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 00:49, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the Horse racing personality edit!

Jamo58 ( talk) 00:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Jamo58 - that's the smallest horse I ever saw! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Can we now figure out who is messing with collapsing the parameters? It's not Andy but I don't know what's going on, some of the jockey infoboxes aren't displaying any data at all... Montanabw ^(talk) 23:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)