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The new [subscribe] button notifies people when someone replies to their comments. It helps newcomers get answers to their questions. People reply sooner. You can read the report. The Editing team is turning this tool on for everyone. You will be able to turn it off in your preferences.

– Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 00:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I love the pageviews tool that you built using toolforge or however one does that. I was curious if it also would let me know WHERE users are clicking/searching before getting to a page. In other words, if users were on the Pepsi page they might see the wikilink for Coca Cola and click that. I'd like to see if we have any visibility of past user traffic TO a particular page. Thank you. Oh, and if it is not too much trouble, could I bother you to please { { ping } } me when responding so that I know when you have? Thank you very much again! ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 14:52, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@ Th78blue Hello there and thanks for the kind words! The type of data you're referring to is called referrer, and internally at WMF it's called clickstream. There's no API suitable for use in the Pageviews tool, but the WMF Research team did build a tool for this which is available at wikinav.toolforge.org. Note that for privacy reasons, this data is only available for articles with over 10 data points (source/destination pairs), so you won't get data for all articles. Regards, — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this detailed and helpful response. Follow up question, what might, "...privacy reasons, this data is only available for articles with over 10 data points..." this entail? I'm curious now what 10 data points means and what sort of privacy risk would even potentially be involved? ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 15:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Also I tried your tool that you suggested to me on the "Clickstream" and I found "other-search", "other-empty", and "other-internal" come up in for 3/10 of the results. What are those? Just somebody searching for the particular item in question by its name or a redirect thereof perhaps? Instead of finding it from another page and clicking through a wikilink? ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 15:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@ Th78blue: More info on the data is at wikitech:Research:Wikipedia clickstream. So "other-search" refers to an external search engine, "other-external" refers to "any other external site", and "other-empty" is when no referrer was given.

The privacy concern comes in when there's so little data that you can discern who the editor is, and in this case be able to know where they browsed to next and/or where they came from. I can't really come up with a good example, but you can contact the Data Engineering team and I'm sure they can give a better explanation. Regards, — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Ah interesting, I suppose that makes sense then. Thanks. Also, I clicked this link, and maybe it is for admins only? I got this back, "Research:Wikipedia clickstream

Jump to navigationJump to search

There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page." Thanks again, that should be my last questions hopefully on this topic. ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 19:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

My mistake! The docs are on Meta, not Wikitech: meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Thats all then for me. Have a great day! ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 01:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

In appreciation, I baked this pie for you. ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 01:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Yums :) Much appreciated! — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

	The Technical Barnstar
	A lot of what you did and maintain holds Wikipedia a bit better together, makes it more interesting, efficient... thank you. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 07:28, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Cartoonist Charles M. Schulz drawing Charlie Brown in 1956 Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Cartoonist Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Kyushu • Christmas in Russia Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).

Administrator changes DanCherek • DatGuy • Femke • Z1720 Aldux • Graham Beards • Nyttend

Interface administrator changes Mr. Stradivarius

Guideline and policy news

• A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
• An RfC is open to gain consensus on whether Fox News is reliable for science and politics.

Technical news

• The impact report on the effects of disabling IP editing on the Persian (Farsi) Wikipedia has been released.
• The WMF is looking into making a Private Incident Reporting System (PIRS) system to improve the reporting of harmful incidents through easier and safer reporting. You can leave comments on the talk page by answering the questions provided. Users who have faced harmful situations are also invited to join a PIRS interview to share the experience. To sign up please email Madalina Ana.

Arbitration

• An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
• The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

• The new pages patrol (NPP) team has prepared an appeal to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) for assistance with addressing Page Curation bugs and requested features. You are encouraged to read the open letter before it is sent, and if you support it, consider signing it. It is not a discussion, just a signature will suffice.
• Voting for candidates for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is open until 6 September.

23:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

		The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		For over 100 article reviews during 2018. Thank you for patrolling new pages and helping us out with the backlog! - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Here is a barnstar to show appreciation for the NPP reviews you did back in 2018. We realize this is late, but NPP fell behind in some coordination activities. We have just caught up with giving out deserved barnstars. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I like to think my contributions today are occasionally still under the NPP umbrella, just in technical form ;) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes absolutely, I've been lately looking at a few of the open tickets on phab and there are a lot of them that would ease the reviewer's life in small, but meaningful ways. Taking care of these aspects is definitely a contribution to NPP. Thanks for doing it. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

e.g. Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect autopatrol list. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 06:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@ MPGuy2824 If there's consensus to set it up as part of WP:PERM, using the same system then yes, it will only take minor tweaks to get it to work. This is basically what we did for WP:PERM/AWB (another pseudo-permission) which used to be handled at WT:AWB. So it will require an admin to close each request with  Done (not consensus among three NPRs or whatever), which seems to be what you all are basically doing now. Feel free to start a discussion at WT:NPP/R and ping me :) Note the bot can automatically fix usernames when they are renamed, too. — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify: even now, only admins can edit the list page; so the "consensus of New Page Reviewers" part is just to make a new request for that (pseudo-)right, which an admin then checks and accepts. Another question: Would DannyS712 have to change his bot to read a json formatted page, OR can your bot read and write to an unordered list-type page, as it is currently? - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 11:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@ MPGuy2824 Well first I should ask, did we want the bot to maintain that list? It could do the things AWBListMan does, like alphabetizing, removing users who are indefinitely blocked (+365 days after the block), and even remove users after an extended period of inactivity. That's all basically a separate bot task, largely the same as how AWBListMan used to work before the CheckPage was moved it to JSON. Anyways yes, if you want these sort of features it can be done, but it will take longer for me to implement it ;)

If you just want archiving, the bot will only check to see that the username was properly added to the list (and if not, warn the admin they did something wrong), and that's easy to code. I say we start with the migration to WP:PERM and archiving bits, then see about the maintenance task for the Redirect autopatrol list. — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

So right now, if we get that page moved to WP:PERM, Danny's bot just has to change the location where they read the list from, but the list can be kept in its current format. Have i got that right? - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:28, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

You don't need to move the page at all. MusikBot only needs to read it (i.e. to remind admins who forgot to add someone). It doesn't matter where it lives on the wiki or how it's formatted (so long as it's consistently formatted :). The WP:PERM aspect just has to do with archiving, and all the automated comments it offers if that is of any desire to you all.

Also, there may be a conflict with User:MusikAnimal/userRightsManager. It currently removes users from the Redirect autopatrol list after they were given the 'autopatrolled' right. So if the list page does get moved, this code will need to be swiftly updated. I was also hoping to eventually have userRightsManager be able to add users to the list, like it does for normal permissions. That is much easier now for AWB since it uses JSON, and likewise an argument to consider doing the same for the redirect autopatrol list. Where it lives doesn't really matter, but personally I vote for a JSON list if @ DannyS712 is okay with it :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Quercus geminata, commonly called sand live oak, is an evergreen oak tree native to the coastal regions of the subtropical southeastern United States, along the Atlantic Coast from southern Florida northward to southeastern Virginia and along the Gulf Coast westward to southern Mississippi, on seacoast dunes and on white sands in evergreen oak scrubs. Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Evergreen Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Gender studies • Cartoonist Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

01:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It didn't want! El_C 16:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello there MusikAnimal. A few editors and I have been discussing recently at WP:RESPONDER-RFC about a possible role that can give temporary blocks on persistent vandals. We've made a few restrictions based on community feedback, but we would be grateful further input. I saw that you were involved in a similar proposal back in 2015, and we were interested if you could give us some feedback if possible. Thanks, CollectiveSolidarity ( talk) 18:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, MusikAnimal. Please note that I have disabled MusikBot II's FixPP task here, for the reasons stated in the edit summary. I recognise that the issue of removing the template late may be beyond your control (caching etc, though if it is within your control it'd be appreciated if it were resolved), but I hope that the first issue can be resolved before the task is reactivated. Sdrqaz ( talk) 16:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Similar issue as Russell Curry with Fler ( diff). El_C 17:23, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hmm something is definitely broken! Disabling the task was the right thing to do, thank you :) I'll look into fixing it shortly. — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:28, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Quick comment: As far as I'm concerned, the bot being late to remove templates is likely not in Musik's control. I regularly partol Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates manually, and I'll commonly see pages that have only appeared up to several weeks after their protection actually expired. Once they appear there, MusikBot (normally) catches them a few minutes later or so, so its likely the page just not being updated for a while. Aidan9382 _{( talk)} 17:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Ohhh!! There was a schema change. The templatelinks table is being normalized (broken into multiple tables). So the bot is straight up broken. Makes perfect sense why it sent duplicate protection templates -- because the query to determine if the templates are already present isn't working anymore, so the bot continually thinks it still needs the template. I believe without @ Sdrqaz stopping the task, it would have continued to re-add duplicate protection templates over and over every 10 minutes for eternity! So thanks again for the quick action to disable it. I hope the damage (although not user-facing) isn't super widespread.

I admit I actually knew the schema change was coming, but I forgot this task used it. The task will have to stay disabled until the normalization is complete, which should be in a week or two, so I'm told. For now, you all will need to add your own protection templates (or not, I guess it's not policy!).

And yes, +1 to what @ Aidan9382 said. Removal of templates happens once they appear in the maintenance category, and for reasons beyond my understanding many pages fail to show up there for a long time. There's a number of Phab tasks about categorization taking forever to catch up on large wikis like this one.

Anyways, I'm glad the bot didn't just die due to bad code, lol. It was an upstream change that caused it. I'll comment back here when I'm able to re-enable the task. King regards, — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:22, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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September 28, 7pm: ONLINE Wikimedia NYC Annual Election/Members Meeting

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Annual Election/Members Meeting. To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit the Zoom link on the meetup page. Important election info: register your chapter membership at wmnyc:Membership read the Election FAQ review and possibly add yourself to the board Nominations voting will be online, via emailed ballots, and the poll will be open for the 24-hour period of September 28 Wednesday September 28 ONLINE Wikimedia NYC Annual Election/Members Meeting ( optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30) P.S. Sunday October 2 will be post-election picnic gathering at the Grecian Shelter in Prospect Park, Brooklyn.

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An early view of the convent in Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Convent Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Heather Dubrow • Evergreen Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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Sun Oct 2, 2-5pm: WikiNYC Post-Election Wiki-Picnic

You are invited to join us for a planned outdoor gathering with the local Wikimedia NYC community at the Grecian Shelter of Brooklyn's Prospect Park. We will celebrate after Wednesday's Chapter Election, share some food, and informally discuss wiki-plans for the coming year. All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Sunday October 2 WikiNYC Post-Election Wiki-Picnic ( RSVP on-wiki). 2:00 - 5:00 pm ( Grecian Shelter, Prospect Park, Brooklyn)

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Just here to tell you an IP reported you at WP:ANI#Misuse of Admin tools. Nythar ^{T. C} 20:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2022).

Administrator changes ScottishFinnishRadish Staxringold Ahoerstemeier ( deceased) • Ched

Interface administrator changes Cyberpower678 CheckUser changes GorillaWarfare

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, consensus was found that if the rationale for a block depends on information that is not available to all administrators, that information should be sent to the Arbitration Committee, a checkuser or an oversighter for action (as applicable, per ArbCom's recent updated guidance) instead of the administrator making the block.
• Following an RfC, consensus has been found that, in the context of politics and science, the reliability of FoxNews.com is unclear and that additional considerations apply to its use.
• Community comment on the revised Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines is requested until 8 October.

Technical news

• The Articles for creation helper script now automatically recognises administrator accounts which means your name does not need to be listed at WP:AFCP to help out. If you wish to help out at AFC, enable AFCH by navigating to Preferences → Gadgets and checking the "Yet Another AfC Helper Script" box.

Arbitration

• Remedy 8.1 of the Muhammad images case will be rescinded 1 November following a motion.
• A modification to the deletion RfC remedy in the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been made to reaffirm the independence of the RfC and allow the moderators to split the RfC in two.
• The second phase of the 2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review closes 3 October.

Miscellaneous

• An administrator's account was recently compromised. Administrators are encouraged to check that their passwords are secure, and reminded that ArbCom reserves the right to not restore adminship in cases of poor account security. You can also use two-factor authentication (2FA) to provide an extra level of security.
• Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections open 2 October and close 8 October.
• You are invited to comment on candidates in the 2022 CUOS appointments process.
• An RfC is open to discuss whether to make Vector 2022 the default skin on desktop.
• Tech tip: You can do a fuzzy search of all deleted page titles at Special:Undelete.

Sexuality in Islam: An icon depicting the treaty signing between Muhammad and Saint Catherine's Monastery allowing interfaith marriage between Muslims and Christians, as discussed in the Ashtiname of Muhammad. Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Islamic sexual jurisprudence Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Convent • Heather Dubrow Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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That was a rough week for me. Your effort are greatly appreciated! El_C 23:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

My pleasure! Thought I don't think you should feel like you have to add the protection templates. It's not like it's policy ;) The bot added some 500+ templates yesterday stemming back from when it was shut down, so you're not alone. — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

14:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Is it possible for the Musikbot abuse filter IRC bot to include the filter actions (e.g. "disallow", "block" and "warn")? Also the filter description would be really nice to see as it adds some context to whats important and what's probably false positives of technical filters.

Musikbot is great.
But fairly helpful would be
including actions

Inductiveload ( talk) 21:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Since 1922, the countries of the United Kingdom comprises four constituent countries: England, Scotland, and Wales (which collectively make up Great Britain), as well as Northern Ireland (variously described as a country, province or region). Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Countries of the United Kingdom Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: School voucher • Islamic sexual jurisprudence Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Sat Oct 29: Wikidata Day in NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Wikidata Day in NYC, an event marking the Wikidata 10th Birthday with a celebration and mini-conference. The all-day event will feature beginner workshops, keynote presentations, breakout group discussions, lightning talks and yes, CAKE. It is inspired by such past events as the Wikipedia Day tradition in New York City. All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Brooklyn Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity. Saturday October 29 Wikidata Day in NYC ( RSVP on-wiki). 9:30 am - 5:30 pm ( Brooklyn Public Library, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn) P.S. Three days before, October 26 will be October Online WikiWednesday

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The tropics are the regions of Earth surrounding the Equator. Pictured are areas of the world with tropical climates. Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Tropics Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Countries of the United Kingdom • School voucher Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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Crown Prince Moulay Hassan, the Crown Prince of Morocco, in 2018 Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Moulay Hassan, Crown Prince of Morocco Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Tropics • Countries of the United Kingdom Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2022).

Administrator changes

• 
  • Isabelle Belato
  • Whpq
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  • Atama
  • Astronautics~enwiki
  • Athaenara
  • Eddie891
  • GraemeL
  • Marianocecowski
  • Natalya
  • Pratyeka
  • SB Johnny

Interface administrator changes

• TheresNoTime
• Ragesoss

CheckUser changes

• 
  • Blablubbs
  • Firefly
• Joe Roe

Oversight changes

• DGG

Guideline and policy news

• The article creation at scale RfC opened on 3 October and will be open until at least 2 November.
• An RfC is open to discuss having open requests for adminship automatically placed on hold after the seven-day period has elapsed, pending closure or other action by a bureaucrat.

Arbitration

• Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 13 November 2022 until 22 November 2022 to stand in the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections.
• The arbitration case request titled Athaenara has been resolved by motion.
• The arbitration case Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block has entered the proposed decision stage.
• AmandaNP, Mz7 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2022 Arbitration Committee Elections. Xaosflux and Dr vulpes are reserve commissioners.

Miscellaneous

• The 2022 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of two new CheckUsers.
• You can add yourself to the centralised page listing time zones of administrators.
• Tech tip: Wikimarkup in a block summary is parsed in the notice that the blockee sees. You can use templates with custom options to specify situations like {{ rangeblock|create=yes}} or {{ uw-ublock|contains profanity}}.

Sat Nov 12: WikiConference North America in NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for WikiConference North America in NYC, as a local satellite event and celebration of the primarily online WikiConference 2022 (Nov 11-13). The Saturday in-person event will feature beginner workshops, keynote presentations, breakout group discussions, and lightning talks. It is inspired by such past events as the Wikipedia Day tradition in New York City. In keeping with the online conference's partnership this year with Mapping USA and theme of "open knowledge allies", we are highlighting OpenStreetMap NYC efforts and other local organizing around various communities of practice. All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Brooklyn Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity. Saturday November 12 WikiConference North America in NYC ( RSVP on-wiki). 9:30 am - 5:30 pm ( Brooklyn Public Library, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn)

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Fire in Rome by Hubert Robert (1785) Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Great Fire of Rome Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Government • Moulay Hassan, Crown Prince of Morocco Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard § EFH Permission request (Taking Out The Trash). Your comments and feedback on my request would be highly valued and greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Taking Out The Trash ( talk) 23:17, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Culinary arts are the cuisine arts of food preparation, cooking, and presentation of food, usually in the form of meals. Pictured is a chef preparing food on a metal baking sheet topped with parchment paper. Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Culinary arts Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Great Fire of Rome • Government Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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Nov 30: WikiWednesday @ BPL + on Zoom

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our WikiWednesday Salon, with in-person at Brooklyn Public Library by Grand Army Plaza, in the Central Library's Info Commons Lab, as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! We are proud to announce that monthly PIZZA has returned! All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Brooklyn Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity. Wednesday November 30 WikiWednesday @ BPL ( RSVP on-wiki). 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm (note modified time) ( Brooklyn Public Library, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn) Also online via Zoom

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A depiction of Medjed based on the Greenfield papyrus Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Medjed Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Culinary arts • Great Fire of Rome Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Hi, can User:MusikBot/NPPChart collect the data for the redirect backlog, in addition to the article backlog? The code seems to be reading from what is probably a toolforge db. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 02:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you also take a look at MB's request to Netrom here? - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@ MPGuy2824 Indeed, that task queries a user database on Toolforge. MB's request to @ Nettrom will need to be actioned first before I can do anything. I think I have access to the tool itself, but I've never looked at the code nor do I even know where it's hosted. Alternatively, I may be able to run the queries in real time rather than use Nettrom's db, but having that data in the db may be beneficial for other consumers of the data (if there are any). — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread. There are two requests here: one to collect data for redirects, and the other about number of articles added and removed. Both still require Nettrom's intervention, if we are to keep the data in the same place. — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:05, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Netrom hasn't replied to MB for 5 months. Would it be possible to prod them? I can help with a code patch if you could point me to its location. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 01:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I will reach out to them. I logged onto the Toolforge account and found what I believe is the code, but it didn't appear to have a remote git repository. — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Can you look at the s55221__nppstats_p database on toolforge (nppstats table). I've created some cronjobs which populate that table regularly with all the data that we've requested. It has a new column called "name" which you'll have to take care of in your code. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 08:05, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2022).

Administrator changes

• Eddie891
• Euryalus
• TheresNoTime

• Alex.muller
• Excirial
• RedWordSmith
• Ron Ritzman
• TheresNoTime
• Stephen

Interface administrator changes

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CheckUser changes

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Oversight changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Consensus has been found in an RfC to automatically place RfAs on hold after one week.
• The article creation at scale RfC has been closed.
• An RfC on the banners for the December 2022 fundraising campaign has been closed.

Technical news

• A new preference named "Enable limited width mode" has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also shown as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. When disabled it removes the whitespace added by Vector 2022 on the left and right of the page content. Disabling this preference has the same effect as enabling the wide-vector-2022 gadget. ( T319449)

Arbitration

• Eligible users are invited to vote on candidates for the Arbitration Committee until 23:59 December 12, 2022 (UTC). Candidate statements can be seen here.
• The proposed decision for the 2021-22 review of the discretionary sanctions system is open.
• The arbitration case Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block has been closed.
• The arbitration case Stephen has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 1 December 2022.
• A motion has modified the procedures for contacting an admin facing Level 2 desysop.

Miscellaneous

• Tech tip: A single IPv6 connection usually has access to a "subnet" of 18 quintillion IPs. Add /64 to the end of an IP in Special:Contributions to see all of a subnet's edits, and consider blocking the whole subnet rather than an IP that may change within a minute.

Reconstruction of Lucy, the first Australopithecus afarensis skeleton found Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Human history Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Medjed • Culinary arts Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

MusikAnimal, I'm sorry I didn't notice before now, but MusikBot hasn't done the daily update of the DYK nominations page since November 20 (skipping four days now). I've manually updated the page to add November 24—others added the 21st through 23rd—and also moved the Current nominations header. I see that the bot is doing other edits, so I'm guessing there's something wrong with the section that deals with DYK. I didn't see any obvious edit that might cause issues, but I could easily have missed something. Hope it's an easy restart or fix. BlueMoonset ( talk) 03:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Just a follow-up, since after working for a number of days, MusikBot has just missed December 1 and 2. I'm not around as much these days, so I haven't gotten back in the habit of checking every evening; should I be doing so? Please let me know. Many thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 05:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

@ BlueMoonset Apologies for the late reply! I looked into this and there are no errors in the server logs or the on-wiki error log. I see the bot has been doing this task successfully as of late, so I really don't have an answer as to why it wasn't working before :( My guess is that there was a hiccup on Toolforge's end and the bot simply never ran at all, or else there should be some trace of it failing, yet there is not. I guess let me know if it happens again, and thanks for reporting! — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery 00:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hey MusikAnimal, can you check this request at Phabricator? Thanks बडा काजी ( talk) 16:55, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The post has now received two supports (1 admin and 1 former admin) [49] बडा काजी ( talk) 14:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks :) I'll reply on the task. — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Cross section of telephone cable of 1,800 twisted pairs. Year 1922 Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Telephone line Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Human history • Medjed Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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Zenica is the largest city in the Central Bosnia subregion Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Central Bosnia Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Telephone line • Human history Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 19 December 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Congrats on winning a Coolest Tool Award for MoreMenu! I couldn't live without it and I'm super thankful for you for making it. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 08:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery 23:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

MusikAnimal, the bot didn't update the DYK nominations page at midnight (about half an hour ago), and also missed December 15. You asked me to report any additional skips; I hope this helps you track down what's going on. Thanks for the bot! BlueMoonset ( talk) 00:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@ BlueMoonset Okay, thanks for the heads up. This issue is really hard to diagnose, so I'm just going to get into the habit of checking the bot right at 00:00 UTC to see what's going on. I may or may not be around each day at this time, so go about what you've been doing and if say, 5 or 10 minutes passes without the bot editing, you can feel free to add the heading manually. — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

MusikAnimal, thanks for letting me know. I did a manual add this evening, though I wasn't around until over three hours after UTC midnight, so it's only just been done. What typically tells me that there's an issue is when DYKHousekeepingBot runs for the first time after midnight, and doesn't show an approximately 243-byte addition caused by the new date in its table—it incorporates the new date only when it is added to the Nominations page. BlueMoonset ( talk) 03:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Dec 28: WikiWednesday @ BPL + on Zoom

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our WikiWednesday Salon, with in-person at Brooklyn Public Library by Grand Army Plaza, in the Central Library's Info Commons Lab, as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! We are proud to announce that monthly PIZZA has returned! All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Brooklyn Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity. Wednesday December 28 WikiWednesday @ BPL ( RSVP on-wiki). 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm ( Brooklyn Public Library, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn) Also online via Zoom P.S. Next big event January 15 will be Wikipedia Day NYC 2023, and you can sign up now for your lightning talk!

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Donner60 ( talk) 05:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I hope you are doing well. Currently I am working on Wikipedia:Bot requests#Bot to update WP:MOSTREFS. How are the stats on this page are generated? —usernamekiran (talk) 13:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@ Usernamekiran In the case of XTools, we're already fetching the HTML to calculate prose stats, so we use an XML parser to count the references. I don't think that will work at scale. If there's a way to do it with a database query, that's surely best. I would highly advise against looping through 6.5+ million articles, unless you're working off of dumps. If you do though, use the REST API to fetch the HTML. The action API will be far too slow. However in my opinion, if we can't do a database query, I would say this bot task is not worth the cost. Articles by number of references is neat to see, but not really that meaningful, as references don't necessarily equate to verifiability, nor is this proportional to the article size. For example, it's technically possible to have 1,000 references on a stub article, but zero on an article that's fifty pages long. If the bot also recorded article length (preferably the size of the prose, excluding templates and such), then I think it would be a lot more useful. — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I was thinking the same. A few days ago, I thought about creating a pywikibot script that would go through all mainspace pages excluding redirects, and disams, but then realised it would consume a lot of time, and server resources. I successfully did it, but only for recursive category. In your opinion, what would be the preferred/best way/method to achieve this result? —usernamekiran (talk) 01:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

forgot to ask in my previous comment, how does the community tech bot work with WP:forgotten? —usernamekiran (talk) 02:01, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@ Usernamekiran The forgotten articles database report uses an SQL query. I'm not aware of anything queryable that keeps track of references. Frankly, I think the solution is to get some database tracking into MediaWiki itself. mw:Extension:Cite doesn't store any data, but it could. Overall, if we can't do this with a query, I'd decline the bot request as technically infeasible. With automation not an option, I would also question the usefulness of WP:MOSTREFS and whether it should be brought to WP:MfD. — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:16, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

The updated Wikipedia:Database reports/Top new article reviewers has been very helpful. Could the bot save a copy once a month, something like Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Top reviewers/yyyy/month. This would make it easier to look at historical trends. MB 21:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

The Summer Palace of Peter the Great as seen from across the Fontanka River from a small Prachechniy ("Laundry") Bridge in August 2007 Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Summer Palace of Peter the Great Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Central Bosnia • Telephone line Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 26 December 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Scarves in the Armenian Quarter, Jerusalem Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Scarf Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Summer Palace of Peter the Great • Central Bosnia Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Happy New Year!

MusikAnimal,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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   Send New Year cheer by adding {{ subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

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	Happy New Year!
	Hello MusikAnimal: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:57, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{ subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).

Administrator changes

• ComplexRational
• Extraordinary Writ

Stephen

• Andrew Yong
• Dbenbenn
• DESiegel
• GlassCobra
• Joe Decker
• Nancy
• Pathoschild
• StuffOfInterest
• William Pietri
• Wwwwolf
• Xdamr

Interface administrator changes

Nihiltres

CheckUser changes

Moneytrees

• Ivanvector
• SilkTork

Oversighter changes

• GeneralNotability
• Moneytrees

• Guerillero
• SilkTork

Guideline and policy news

• Speedy deletion criterion A5 (transwikied articles) has been repealed following an unopposed proposal.

Arbitration

• Following the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Barkeep49, CaptainEek, GeneralNotability, Guerillero, L235, Moneytrees, Primefac, SilkTork.
• The 2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review has concluded with many changes to the discretionary sanctions procedure including a change of the name to "contentious topics". The changes are being implemented over the coming month.
• The arbitration case Stephen has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
• Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.

Hi, I noticed that ScriptManager on Vector-2022 looks very buggy. When the sidebar is open, the scriptManager's texts are disproportionately large. And when sidebar is collapsed, it starts to cover content. Pictures attached. Can you please fix this? Thanks! — CX Zoom[he/him] ^{( let's talk • { C• X})} 13:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Sunday January 15: Wikipedia Day 2023 NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Wikipedia Day 2023 at Jefferson Market Library in Greenwich Village, a Wikipedia and Public Domain Day celebration and mini-conference as part of birthday festivities marking the project's founding in 2001. In addition to the party, the event features presentations by Jason Scott of the Internet Archive and Anne Hunnell Chen of the International (Digital) Dura-Europos Archive, panels, and, of course, lightning talks. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! And there will be WIKICAKE. Sunday January 15 Wikipedia Day 2023 ( RSVP on-wiki). 1 - 5PM at Jefferson Market Library, 425 Sixth Avenue in Manhattan After 5PM, migration to afterparty at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th St Livestreaming is likely, watch the wiki meetup page All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. New York Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity. P.S. Next regular event February 15 will be Feb WikiWednesday.

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The start line of the Canberra Marathon in 2006 Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Canberra Marathon Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Scarf • Summer Palace of Peter the Great Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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A kiddie ride is a coin-operated amusement ride for young children. Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Kiddie ride Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Canberra Marathon • Scarf Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Please protect the article on 2023 in Philippine television. This article will be the strongly persistent semi-protected article against vandalism for longest term to make.

Thank you.

User:Jon2guevarra Jon2guevarra (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC) Jon2guevarra ( talk) 00:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

( talk page stalker) @ Jon2guevarra: I requested for protection at WP:RFPP. SeanJ 2007 ( talk) 00:46, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery 01:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

No template for you, just a note that you've got some mail :-) Primefac ( talk) 21:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Side one of a 1930 brochure for the Ambassador Hotel in San Francisco Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Brochure Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Kiddie ride • Canberra Marathon Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

At his request by email to the committee, the CheckUser permissions of MusikAnimal are removed. The Arbitration Committee sincerely thanks MusikAnimal for his long service as a CheckUser, and his continuing service on Wikipedia.

For the Arbitration Committee, Primefac ( talk) 19:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Change to the CheckUser team

Howdy friend. Long time no talk... I've been away for ages and just got back and am trying to do some ruby API calls. I'm probably doing something really, really dumb but since you do lots of ruby bots I was hoping you could help, pretty please...

require 'media_wiki'
USERNAME = ***********
PASSWORD = ***********
mw = MediaWiki::Gateway.new('https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php')
mw.login(USERNAME, PASSWORD)
RestClient::SSLCertificateNotVerified: SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=error: certificate verify failed:
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/rest-client-1.8.0-x64-mingw32/lib/restclient/request.rb:445:in `rescue in transmit'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/rest-client-1.8.0-x64-mingw32/lib/restclient/request.rb:349:in `transmit'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/rest-client-1.8.0-x64-mingw32/lib/restclient/request.rb:176:in `execute'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/rest-client-1.8.0-x64-mingw32/lib/restclient/request.rb:41:in `execute'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/mediawiki-gateway-1.1.0/lib/media_wiki/gateway.rb:183:in `http_send'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/mediawiki-gateway-1.1.0/lib/media_wiki/gateway.rb:130:in `make_api_request'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/mediawiki-gateway-1.1.0/lib/media_wiki/gateway.rb:65:in `send_request'
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.4.0/gems/mediawiki-gateway-1.1.0/lib/media_wiki/gateway/users.rb:16:in `login'
        from (irb):7
        from C:/Ruby24-x64/bin/irb.cmd:19:in `<main>'

What am I missing?! This used to work no problem... Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Zackmann ( ^{Talk to me}/ _{What I been doing}) 23:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@ Zackmann08 Hello and welcome back! Are you using the latest version of my fork of mediawiki-gateway? Anyway it looks like you're running this from your local machine, so you probably can disable SSL mode. I'm not sure how to do this via your above code. Looking at my own code, I'm logging in the same way, hence why I suspect your maybe using an outdated version of the framework.

There are also newer frameworks out there now that might be better. The only reason I haven't switched is my bot is basically stuck using mediawiki-gateway unless I do a substantial amount of rewriting. — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery 23:44, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

[71] ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 21:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Haha, I'm just taking a break from counter-vandalism. Most likely temporary, but possibly multi-year. I'm definitely not going anywhere, though :) I'll leave a more lengthy explanation on my steward reconfirmation page in the coming days. — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for what you've done and still do. Cheers, - FlightTime ( open channel) 22:44, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah. Well then, all the best, and thank you for your work! ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 23:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

See [72] (unrelated to the revdel; please email/DM if you have questions on that :)) -- Tamzin ^{cetacean needed} (she|they|xe) 17:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. That bug is maybe 4-5 years old… I just never got around to fixing it. Fortunately it's still readable. I really should just finally fix it. Thanks for the poke :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1135741066 same problem? -- Minorax^{«¦ talk¦»} 15:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery 00:03, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

My page about KiraSecurity... I need to move the table with information to the right. Samuels99917 ( talk) 03:29, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

Administrator changes Gimmetrow Bjelleklang Bob the Wikipedian Leithp WhisperToMe 100 inactive admins

CheckUser changes BDD Bradv Donald Albury Maxim MusikAnimal Oversighter changes BDD Bradv Donald Albury Maxim

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, the administrator policy now requires that prior written consent be gained from the Arbitration Committee to mark a block as only appealable to the committee.
• Following a community discussion, consensus has been found to impose the extended-confirmed restriction over the topic areas of Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kurds and Kurdistan.

Technical news

• The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 24 February 2023.
• In December, the contentious topics procedure was adopted which replaces the former discretionary sanctions system. The contentious topics procedure is now in effect following an initial implementation period. There is a detailed summary of the changes and administrator instructions for the new procedure. The arbitration clerk team are taking suggestions, concerns, and unresolved questions about this new system at their noticeboard.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
• Tech tip: Syntax highlighting is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.

Belgian waffles cooked in a Krampouz cast-iron waffle iron, in a Montreal restaurant during the gastronomy competition of the Montreal Highlights Festival Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Waffle iron Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: The Sims (video game) • Brochure Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

MediaWiki message delivery 10:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Feb 15: WikiWednesday @ BPL + on Zoom

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our WikiWednesday Salon, with in-person at Brooklyn Public Library by Grand Army Plaza, in the Central Library's Info Commons Lab, as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! We are proud to announce that monthly PIZZA has returned! All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Brooklyn Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity. Wednesday February 15 WikiWednesday @ BPL ( RSVP on-wiki). 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm ( Brooklyn Public Library, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn) Also online via Zoom

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Campaign for the Norwegian Centre Party at Nærbø: like its Finnish and Swedish counterparts, the party has a strong focus on decentralisation, rural and agrarian issues. Ideologically, the Centre Party is positioned in the centre on the political spectrum. Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Centrism Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Waffle iron • The Sims (video game) Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

MediaWiki message delivery 01:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the wonderful bot! However, I noticed that when it adds the AFI tag to the selected article, it adds it to the top. According to MOS:ORDER, tags should be below hatnotes. I don’t know much Ruby, so could you kindly fix it? Happy vacation! Aaron Liu ( talk) 19:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Textbooks Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Textbook Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Centrism • Waffle iron Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

MediaWiki message delivery 01:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

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This newsletter includes two key updates about the Editing team's work:

1. The Editing team will finish adding new features to the Talk pages project and deploy it.
2. They are beginning a new project, Edit check.

Talk pages project

The Editing team is nearly finished with this first phase of the Talk pages project. Nearly all new features are available now in the Beta Feature for Discussion tools.

It will show information about how active a discussion is, such as the date of the most recent comment. There will soon be a new "Add topic" button. You will be able to turn them off at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion. Please tell them what you think.

An A/B test for Discussion tools on the mobile site has finished. Editors were more successful with Discussion tools. The Editing team is enabling these features for all editors on the mobile site.

New Project: Edit Check

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Hey, I reverted this edit your bot made because I think it's a mistake. The template is protected so it shouldn't have removed the protection message and it definitely shouldn't have removed part of someone's comment. The template was just moved so that probably had something to do with it. Cheers, MClay1 ( talk) 11:25, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

The bot goes off of Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. Probably because of the page move, the modules that set the categorization got mixed up. I see it's no longer categorized, so the bot will not touch it further. — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could add
an option to click from my mouse pad
that replies to a reporting comrade
"partially blocked" for those acting bad
prompting for the page(s) and duration to enter from my keypad.
EvergreenFir (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@ EvergreenFir Hehe, beautiful poem! :) "Partially blocked" doesn't appear to be one of the options provided by {{ AIV}}. That would need to be added in order for it to be included in responseHelper. Best, — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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• Following a request for comment, F10 (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
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• The results of the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey have been posted.

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Manufacturing of an  automobile Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Manufacturing Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Island • Textbook Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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An assortment of various foods Hello, MusikAnimal. The article for improvement of the week is: Food Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Manufacturing • Island Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

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Can you help me become an admin or moderator? MTRIProd ( talk) 05:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Adminship is not for new users. However, it's worth noting that you're currently closer to being blocked than obtaining adminship. - FASTILY 08:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. For making reports, how do you guys scan the wikipedia dumps? —usernamekiran (talk) 19:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@ Usernamekiran Are you referring to Wikipedia:Database reports? I don't think any of these scan dumps, but query the database directly. Going by dumps is generally very inefficient and is only used for info we can't get through querying the database. If there's a specific kind of query you need help with, the kind folks at WP:RAQ may be able to help. — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi MusikAnimal!

I have added a (mediocre) option for a partial block on Template:AIV/sandbox. The syntax is part|pb|partialblock. I did add an option for additional text to say where the block is, but it doesn't seem that great. Test results:

Partially blocked.
Partially blocked (from User:EvergreenFir).

As I am amateur at template syntax, I will let you or someone else put in in {{ AIV}} if you think this is useful. Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@ EvergreenFir I cleaned up the implementation in the sandbox a bit. I haven't worked at AIV for so long that I nearly forgot that the bots removed blocked users! But I guess they don't for partial blocks, hence why you wanted to add this. If that is the case, I think it's certainly useful! I don't know how the bot could ascertain that a partial block was in response to the AIV report, after all, and we don't want other admins investigating a user who has already been dealt with.

If the new output above looks good to you, feel free to add it as it is in the sandbox, or I can add it, then I'll update responseHelper :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! And exactly correct. The bots do not clear partially blocked ones from AIV and they can waste admins' time and clutter the list.

I've copied the sandbox to the main template and will update the documentation in a moment.

Thanks again for your help! EvergreenFir (talk) 04:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

This has now been added to responseHelper. Regards, — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Precious

Nine years!

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Hello!

Due to some weird caching issues, all pages don't show up during the categorymembers API check for MusikBot's FixPP run, making these pages not be processed. Instead, if this could be changed to use the search API for incategory:"Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates", the issue should be resolved. Thanks! ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 12:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Note: I've since null edited all pages so they will show up in categorymembers, so you won't be able to reproduce this. ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 12:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

It is peculiar that the search index is more reliable for categorization than the API endpoint designed for this exact purpose, but indeed you are correct! I wonder how many other bots and tools could benefit from moving using the categorymembers API to the search API. It feels odd and wrong, but whatever, so long as it works I'm fine with it :) I've started work on this and hope to finish it soon. Thanks for the suggestion! — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

It is indeed very odd! Thank you! :) ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 19:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Arbitration

• The Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case has been closed.
• A case about World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been opened, with the first evidence phase closing 6 April 2023.

I've installed properly and editing UAA. I can hover over the "wait" link, but the hover text isn't close enough to my pointer that I can click on it, and when I move, the hover text goes away. If I just click on the "wait" link, I only get the edit summary filled in, even though the cursor is in the edit window. What am I doing wrong? - UtherSRG (talk) 18:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@ UtherSRG I just tested at UAA and it worked for me as designed. At UAA you do indeed need the cursor where you want the text inserted (as it otherwise has no idea which report you're tending to). If that isn't working, could you check if you are running into any JavaScript errors and if so, let me know what they say?

The hover text is using the standard HTML title attribute. Your computer and/or browser will dictate how that behaves. — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

When I hover over regular wikilinks, the popup is right at my mouse pointer. When I hover over your links, the popup is a line down and touching the lower right portion of the mouse cursor instead of the selection point. When I click the link, that draws the focus away from the edit window so the template has no place to go. I don't see any JS errors related to your script as far as I can tell. I have an error in my vector.js, but I haven't mod'd that in over 10 years. Might be easier to email you a copy of a screen cap of the console? If you send me email, I can reply to it with the screen cap. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Try browsing Wikipedia in safemode i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org?safemode=1. The tooltips shown when hovering on links should be no different then the ones used in responseHelper. Clicking on the links does remove focus from the textarea, that's expected. What's important is where your cursor is (or was) in the textarea. In fact, I can go to Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention/Bot for example and the responseHelper links add the code even before I ever put focus on the textarea, but it inserts the template at the beginning because that's the default cursor position.

I suspect you may have some conflicting gadget or script. I have emailed you so you can reply with a screenshot, if you wish. — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Safemode doesn't seem to do anything different for me. :( I've sent you some screen caps. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

FWIW by " JavaScript errors" he means ones you can find by opening your browser console, not syntax errors you might see beneath the textbox when editing a .js wikipage. I'm not sure if you got that.

Also, what happens when you click "Show changes" (or "Publish changes") after you click on the link and the edit summary is filled in? Nardog ( talk) 09:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know what he means by js errors, and his link to it was helpful in me providing information to him offsite. Show Changes (or preview changes) shows exactly what I expect - that there was no template placed in the edit area, and so nothing has changed. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@ UtherSRG Replying here instead of email as others may have ideas…

First thing is first. Your User:UtherSRG/vector.js contains syntax errors and is probably causing all other scripts in your vector.js to not load. Just remove that first line, or comment it out with JavaScript syntax // {{subst:navpop}}. You shouldn't need to load User:Lupin/popups.js anyway as there is a gadget.

Next, I wanted to make sure the screenshot you sent was after you attempted to use responseHelper (i.e. clicked on one of the options)? Because that is when the JS error would likely occur.

Finally, it seems you're using User:Cacycle/wikEd, and if none of the above tips help, I would try disbaling wikEd to see if that's the culprit. If you weren't aware, syntax highlighting is available in the default editor. I say this in the event that's the primary reason you're using wikEd.

I have no idea what the issue is with the tooltips. As I've said, responseHelper is not doing anything special there. To reiterate in case it wasn't clear, I was suggesting to use safemode just to observe what tooltips look like normally (i.e. without Popups and such). Just hover over any link, and make note of the placement and appearance of the tooltip. It should be identical to what responseHelper does (note responseHelper as well as any other scripts/gadgets you use aren't shown in safemode). — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The line you suggest to comment out in my vector.js is already commented out, as is the Lupin popup:

<!-- {{subst:navpop}} -->

// [[User:Lupin/popups.js]]

Oh wait. I see that Lupin's popup is added lower down. Let me try that first - UtherSRG (talk) 16:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

No joy on ditching this. When I do safemode, the wikilink popups look the same as your popups, shifted a bit down and to the right. When I'm not in safemode, the wikilink popups are actually useable, but your popups still are not. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah! Disabling wikEd did the trick! Whee! Thanks! Oh, and the console window I sent you was before clicking the link. There were no changes after clicking the link, so no need to send an additional image. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

( edit conflict) Ah, it looks like the script could use replacing .val() with .textSelection() (setSelection or encapsulateSelection). In the mean time, if you're using syntax highlighting or a custom editor like WikEd, try disabling it while using responseHelper. Nardog ( talk) 16:04, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Disabling wikEd did the trick. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Nardog is right; it should use jQuery.textSelection. I don't know if that fixes it for WikEd or not but I'll let you know when I get that implemented. It's interesting that responeHelper still works with mw:Extension:CodeMirror, though. — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:24, 6 April 2023 (UTC)