I just love a virgin talk page four years in a row.

My best to you. Roxy the dog. wooF 03:19, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I think we can call it a tradition. Happy New Year to you too, and to all my lovely Talk Page watchers. Let's hope 2022 turns out better than 2021! Alexbrn ( talk) 04:43, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello Alexbrn, could you please advise me If the changes citing peer-reviewed scientific journals can be kept? Thank you for your help. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nirmatrelvir&type=revision&diff=1063501789&oldid=1063500319 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exaltedyeti ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi there! Please see the welcome message on your page and WP:MEDRS (or WP:MEDFAQ for a quick start). In general, the English Wikipedia requires much more than just that a paper is peer-reviewed for it to be considered suitable as a source for biomedical content. Alexbrn ( talk) 12:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello, thank you for linking this resource. With this in mind, I will attempt another, smaller edit of the page, using review article content only! Exaltedyeti ( talk) 12:28, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello Alexbrn,

(1) Thank you for letting me know about the 'Sea of Blue' issue. I will make sure I correct the links.

(2) Could you please point to the unreliable sources that are making you redirect the page? I would like to fix the errors and provide proper sources for the article.

Thanks! R-Cal-L (talk) 06:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Just picking one at random, PMID:30829033 is primary research on rats. In general, primary research is not suitable for use on Wikipedia for biomedical content — see the links I have posted on your talk page for guidance.

If you can find better sources (e.g. review articles, textbooks and statements from major medical bodies) then material on the the very niche topic you are writing about ("Psilocybin Microdosing Safety‎") should be added to the Psychedelic microdosing article and, if that gets too big, split out eventually. Because of WP:NOPAGE it is not a good idea to fragment a topic into many tiny fragment articles (which this would be, given the likely tiny amount of viable sourcing). Alexbrn (talk) 06:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions.

@WP:MEDRS: I have to say that initially I was surprised to find that Wikipedia doesn’t support providing primary sources but the more I read on /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine), the more it makes sense. I will work on getting secondary sources for the data. However, since the page doesn’t exist because of the redirect, how can I make changes to improve it? Should I start another draft from one of the older versions from the history of it?

@WP:NOPAGE, I understand what you are saying. I have reviewed the redirect page. I could create a psilocybin microdosing safety subsection on it. The page I am trying to create is much more detailed. My goal is to provide a more specific safety-related page to the psychedelics community especially because of the anticipated review of psilocybin microdosing safety information by various legislative bodies across the world in the coming year. I imagine I could add this information to the psychedelics safety subsection but I feel that it would take away from the general psychedelics-based focus of that page. Please advise. Thank you and Happy New Year! R-Cal-L ( talk) 08:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

It would be better to expand the article as is, and if it gets to big then a WP:SPLIT might be warranted. In general articles tend to cover all aspects of a drug in one place, even for major ones like, say, Clozapine.

I see you have created/edited Psilocybin Microdosing and Psilocybin Microdosing Safety — I don't think having these as standalone articles is a good idea. Any sources for biomedical assertions in these articles which were not WP:MEDRS would almost certainly be considered unreliable. Alexbrn ( talk) 08:51, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Sounds good. I will add the psilocybin microdosing safety content as subsections to /info/en/?search=Psychedelic_microdosing after I take care of the WP:MEDRS issues with it. Quick question: I had two tables in the content. One with serotonin receptors binding affinity values and the second with dosage information of some compounds. I had cited the non-review papers for those experimentally determined values. Is it ok to do that? If not, what other way can experimental data be presented? My goal is to provide some experimental proof to the readers since lately it has been more difficult to convince readers about scientific facts. Thank you for all your help with this. Best, R-Cal-L ( talk) 05:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

If you can find MEDRS sources, your plan sounds good. I'd say the tbular detail detail you propose is not appropriate: Wikipedia is meant to be a summary for general readers, and in any case we are in no position to judge whether content in primary sources is correct (the kind of "accepted knowledge" Wikipedia is meant to be summarizing). P.S. in Talk page interactions, please use the conventions of WP:INDENT to keep conversations threaded. Alexbrn ( talk) 06:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Don't be silly, it's not you personally that's the problem and I've been quite clear about seems questionable behaviour. COI-tainted editing is bad, but misguided zeal is as much a problem as we have seen in the past. Alexbrn ( talk) 14:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

It doesn't matter who it's directed at, you shouldn't be saying it about anyone. I'm the one who started the COIN, I'm the one who is pursuing this. What I'm doing is not a witch hunt, so stop calling it that. You are trying to create a chilling effect -- to discourage people from pursuing this -- and that's not ok. You, personally, need to get on the right side of this issue or you're going to be a party to the inevitable arbcom case that's coming. They do in fact have a COI and they did in fact lie about it in the COIN thread ("I have never edited about myself" = flat lie, quickly disproven with diffs). This won't go away, and later, everyone's conduct will be examined. When the question is asked, "why couldn't the community handle this?," I will answer, "because Alex kept making personal attacks against whomever raised the issue." So stop creating the diffs that support that answer; stop accusing people who are concerned about an actual COI of being on a witch hunt. Levivich 14:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I don't agree it's a personal attack and if I see witch-hunting behaviour I will call it out. Alexbrn ( talk) 14:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

You'd better double check the definition of "witch hunt". I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. "Witch hunt" doesn't mean "ganging up on someone" or "false accusation". A "witch hunt" is the pursuit of people for holding unorthodox or unpopular views. Enforcing our COI policies isn't even analogous to pursuing people for their views. Nobody is even talking about these editors' views. By accusing the COIN I started of being a witch hunt, you're saying I filed it because I want to silence their views, meaning I am anti-skeptic or pro-woo. That's why it's a personal attack. Levivich 14:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Witch hunting is exactly hitting the nail on the head. It does mean false accusation. Good grief. - Roxy the dog. wooF 15:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

"By accusing the COIN I started" ← what does that even mean? The thread at COIN has diffused beyond your input and my concern is specifically behaviour which (yes) does accord exactly with the behaviour of a witch hunt: identifying and rounding up people for blame. In case you weren't aware there have also been mass deletions of articles attempted and nearly-block-worthy personal questions made by some of the posse ... all in an area where for some kinds of editing it is not even agreed by the community a COI is problematic (i.e. citing a publication with which one is associated, or encouraging people to cite one's RS works). I have no tolerance for problematic COI-tainted editing and a record to show that; equally I have seen misdirected zeal having bad consequences (and have been on the receiving end of dodgy COI accusations myself). You seem to be saying that everything that happens in a thread in which you posted first has to be by definition okay, which is absurd. Alexbrn ( talk) 15:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Some people get testy about minor formatting edits to their comments, so I just wanted to let you know I closed up your underline tag. There was a missed / in the closing tag. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 16:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

D'oh - silly me. Thanks! Alexbrn ( talk) 16:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

No worries. Just didn't want to step on toes. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 16:05, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Your "good faith" edits removing the extremely well-documented facts that Paul Thacker is a dishonest, anti-GMO, anti-vaccine activist haven't gone unnoticed. 73.254.14.29 ( talk) 06:50, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Does that mean I get a WP:Barnstar? Alexbrn ( talk) 06:52, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Sure. You and the other good faith editors at Wikipedia should be proud that you're helping promote a guy who is keeping the COVID pandemic going by spreading lies about vaccines. 73.254.14.29 ( talk) 06:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Thanks. Do you ever get the feeling we're unpaid workers cleaning up somebody else's mess? Alexbrn ( talk) 09:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Your name has come up in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Guerilla Skepticism on Wikipedia, where I've mentioned in my statement that you should be notified. You are not a named party or anything like that, but I felt that someone should let you know. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 18:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Thanks. So, it looks like there's going to be a case. Probably just as well, though it appears some people have unrealistic expectations about what Arbcom can/will do. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hey, Alexbrn! I just wanted to give you a notice — so it's not misinterpreted as a form of edit warring — that I temporarily reverted the article back to the original version — until there's a consensus on what to do about it. I wrote about why I thought that the suggested changes made by Stix1776 were heavily problematic and a downgrade from the existing version here.

As for the Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, and Council on Foreign Relations citations, I agree with you that they're pretty excessive, and not at all crucial to the article, and I can see why they might raise problems related to WP:MEDRS, so free to delete them. I don't have an objection there. Best regards, KlayCax ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:41, 17 January 2022 (UTC) reply

No problem, I haven't been paying much attention to the article (which, to be honest, is a bit of a chore because of the controversy). From a quick look now it seems a lot of the sources are getting a bit old. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi, on the talk page for John Campbell, the cluebot you added is configured with an 'age' parameter of '14'. Did you intend that? It means threads are archived if they receive no further edits within 14 hours. That seems rather extreme. Typically it's set to something far more conservative like 720 for thirty days, or a slightly less conservative 360, for two weeks. cheers. Anastrophe ( talk) 20:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC) reply

D'oh! Mixed up my days/hours and bot behaviour! It should be - yes - 720 or something. Alexbrn ( talk) 20:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Easy mistake to make, certainly. Shall I correct, or you? And should the aggressively archived stuff be restored, or just let sleeping dogs lie? I'm inclined neither way really. I'm tired of writing about it. :) Anastrophe ( talk) 20:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi! I asked you to stop editing my talk page some months ago. See thread. I think enough time has passed since then, so feel free to interact in my talk page if you wish. I thought it was unnecessary to clarify it then as it would probably just increase the animosity, but I used the word "stalk" because you had used the {{ stalker}} template IIRC, it wasn't an accusation or anything. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 14:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I don't believe I have ever used the {{stalker}} template, but I'm happy to move on. Alexbrn ( talk) 15:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Courtesy link: it was the {{ Buttinsky}} template linking to a page by that name. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 15:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Ah yes, I do use that: that one's much more fun. Alexbrn ( talk) 15:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I do like the template myself as well ^u^ A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 15:21, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Since Tryptofish asked us to take our discussion elsewhere, I'm coming to your talk page with it. I hope you don't mind. I'll also ping PaleoNeonate since they started the discussion, and I suspect they might be interested.

I'm happy that we moved from calling me pro-fringe to eccentric. I have spent a lot of time studying ancient and medieval philosophy, and I cannot deny that this has had some influence on my personal views, to the point of me becoming perhaps somewhat eccentric in my approach. I will note though that I'm not a proponent of the idea that we can't know anything. Like most modern philosophers, I regard the question of what we can and cannot know as depending on epistemological premises about which very legitimate discussion can be had. But, again like most contemporary philosophers, I do believe it justified to lay out such premises, and to call the propositions which result from them knowledge. For example, I believe the epistemological foundations of science to be sound, and I regard scientific inquiry as productive of knowledge.

I'm also just parroting mainstream philosophy of science when I say that inquiring into the real existence of something falls outside of the epistemological scope of science. To make claims about the real existence of things we need further epistemological premises, such as for example the premise that things for which there is no scientific evidence simply do not exist. As I've tried to explain in the other thread, this premise is not one that is near-universally held to be sound, like the epistemological foundations of science are. It's a specifically positivist view, which was never universally held, and which has in fact been largely abandoned by a large majority of philosophers since the 1970s. You just can't invoke this premise as something only eccentrics would disagree with. It's also not in any way a premise that non-philosophical reliable sources just take for granted, like they take the soundness of science for granted. It's really important to differentiate between these two things.

Finally, you wrote: If you think (in anything other than a school debate) that the non-falsifiability of something means it might be real, then good luck to you. Well yes, if something's existence cannot be falsified, that means that it is possible that it exists. This is just basic modal logic. It does not mean that it is necessary that it exists, nor even that it is likely that it exists. But it does mean that it is possible, by definition: that which cannot be shown to be false is not necessarily false, and that which is not necessarily false is possibly true.

So yes, if the existence of qi cannot be disproven, that means that it is possible it exists. But note that with the positivist premise outlined above, it does become possible to prove that qi does not exist. If there is not scientific evidence for the existence qi, and if things for which there is no scientific evidence do not exist, qi does not exist. This is as much as to state that Ernst, who says that the existence of qi cannot be disproven, does not share the positivist premise. He also affirms the possibility of qi's existence: even though we can't observe it directly in any way, it may still be there, in the same way that God may be there.

It really seems to me that you just have a hard time understanding these subtle philosophical points, which sound to you like the bogus reasoning of fringe-pushers, while they're actually entirely accurate and mainstream. I also think that if only you would trust a little more that I'm really not here to push or justify fringe in any way, you might more easily see that what I say is accurate and mainstream. I'm in fact entirely with you on most points, and IRL I'm actually regarded by my acquaintances as a skeptic and a defender of science. ☿  Apaugasma ( talk  ☉) 20:18, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I didn't call you PROFRINGE, though your arguments seem to align with those that are. I think your arguments are insane. Please don't post here any more about them. Alexbrn ( talk) 21:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Okay, I'm sorry about that then. Won't happen again, I promise! ☿  Apaugasma ( talk  ☉) 22:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Forgive me, I'm new to the wikipedia editorial process. So the jargon is confusing for me.

You have reverted my change removing what I consider non-neutral commentary in the Bret Weinstein article.

I don't seen the benefit of framing Odysse as an "alternative/fringe" platform. "alternative" maybe, but "fringe" is definitely non-neutral.

You say "Rv. to good - take it to Talk, where this has been discussed before" where has this been discussed before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by F127635817 ( talk • contribs) 20:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply

See here. Alexbrn ( talk) 20:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply

As an expert on WP:FRINGE, would you take a look at the material in the Pine tar article inserted some time ago by Pjsaw (but still in the current article), and take any action you see fit? See Special:Diff/938078710. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 19:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Alex, why are you anti vegan and against John McDougall? You know he is a Harvard trained doctor so he obviously knows what is what when it comes to diet and health. Do you not actually care about seeing Diabetes and heart disease gone from the planet? No? You want heart diseaes to go around the world? Wow... okay, someone clearly has an agenda to see bad health predominate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by a diet crazy ( talk • contribs)

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But are for or against antipasto? lol -- ARose Wolf 16:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Pro-antipasto. How can that even be controversial? Alexbrn ( talk) 16:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC) reply

It's not, you are for it. I am waiting for the lamenting to begin. Why are you anti pasta? But seriously, or not, a controversy can be made out of anything. The reason I love Wikipedia is because I may edit within the sphere of my interests but I do not nor should I edit my opinions into mainspace. Many view that as constricting but I do not. It is freeing to an extent. You can believe what you want, I can believe what I want and there are cases where neither even makes it into the encyclopedia because what Wikipedia considers a reliable source says different from the both of us. What is freeing is that I don't have to care, only follow policy on reliable sources. -- ARose Wolf 17:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Maybe it doesn't antimatter. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 19:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC) reply

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Could you maybe chill? Your tone and words against me are completely disproportionate to the situation. JBchrch talk 15:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Nothing against you personally, but I do take objection to snide attacks on groups of editors built on erroneous statements. That kind of thing won't do. Alexbrn ( talk) 15:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello,

This is regarding the changes I made to the article Low carbohydrate diet that was reverted by you. I used a non-primary reliable source to back the added content.

I added that low carb diet tends to raise the blood LDL levels commonly known as bad cholesterol, which as per the lipid hypothesis is a risk for multiple heart/cardiovascular diseases. There is a well established scientific consensus which corroborates the lipid hypothesis as stated in the lipid hypothesis article.

Now it is well known that low carb diets tend to raise blood LDL which isn't mentioned in the low carb article currently. It is important to mention it, hence I made those changes.

So pls consider restoring my version that you reverted.

Thank you!!! 2409:4071:E96:1D6:BD8C:CAF2:7368:F711 ( talk) 17:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC) reply

The article already said it. Please continue any further discussion at its Talk page. Alexbrn ( talk) 17:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Dear Alex. Thank you for your recent attention to the article Norman Fenton. You say I should not write on your talk page about the content of an article, but how can I discuss Norman Fenton's merits as a teacher of writing skills when you have deleted the corresponding section. I see you are a venerable Wikipedian with more than 50,000 edits to your credit, whereas I have just enough to lose the leniency shown to newbies. You state that my contribution fails WP:V. However, it contained a citation linking to a website that is still alive. This citation, admittedly is a primary source, being the essay written by Professor Fenton, which allows the reader to verify that this essay exists. The website is RS as it is published by the Queen Mary University of London's School of Engineering and Computer Science. Could you please enlighten me about your reasons or, failing this, revert your deletion? With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 10:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC) reply

The place to discuss that would be Talk:Norman Fenton (an awful article BTW, as the banners indicate). The material in question did indeed fail WP:V, which is a core policy. Do you have a WP:COI in respect of Fenton? Alexbrn ( talk) 17:48, 17 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Good day Alex. Thank you very much for your reply. My only link to Professor Fenton and his university is that I read his essay "Improving Your Technical Writing Skills", which I found on the Internet at the indicated place. I found it very useful and well done. So when I discovered that there was a Wikipedia article on the professor, I added this paragraph about his essay, my only contribution to his article. So I think I have no COI. I will follow your suggestion and try to come up with some contribution to a possible discussion on the talk page. Best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 08:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC) reply

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I actually wondered about it too. - Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 17:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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Not that they are taking any damn notice. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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The segment that I added should not have been marked as a minor edit. I work with the typo team a lot, and often mark as minor, but that should not have been, and that aspect is entirely on me. As for the text being WP:OR that I added, I am completely unsure as to how that would qualify in the slightest. I can reword the segment then, though it is very neutrally written to only reflect the content from the RS as well as Prasad's views as presented therein, but it is from a secondary source and merely reflective of one particular interview (which I even annotated as coming from Reason magazine's Zach Weissmueller). Other than mislabeling the edit (which was a mistake, and right for you to call out), I do not see what else about this could possibly be construed as OR? Anyway, I will not revert again, as I do not wish any "edit-war", but I will reword with even more care this time... ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 13:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Yes it's obviously an essay. But it's wise. You are already edit-warring, having made your bad edit THREE times, which is poor behaviour. Maybe read WP:BRD (another wise essay). Alexbrn ( talk) 13:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC) reply

I took this to the talk page as you suggested. Thank you. ♥ Th78blue ( talk)♥ 13:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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Reverting from ignorance is not helpful. You need to read WP:MEDRS. These primary sources are unreliable. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi there, you seem to have removed a citation I added related with the article at hand. Rather than wholeheartedly reverting my edit, don't you think it would've been more productive to improve my version? Can I ask you put back citation you deleted? Thanks. -- Zaurus ( talk) 17:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi there! Your link is broken. It would probably be best to raise this at the article's Talk page so everyone involved can see! Alexbrn ( talk) 17:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Regarding your reversion of my edit changing “many” studies to “some.” I looked thru MEDMOS which u cited and didn’t see anything relevant. Pls let me know which part. Thanks. JustinReilly ( talk) 18:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC) reply

"Patient". But that's just part of the problem. Please take to article Talk. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi, Alex - sorry to bother you, but you know more about this topic than anyone. I attempted to cite the International Journal of Livestock Research but was prevented from citing it because the doi triggered a list of predatory journals. I didn't know livestock journals would be included. Apparently, that means we're not supposed to use anything that was published in it, correct? Does a predatory journal mean the articles published in it are unreliable? What about the author of the article - are they banned, too or does the problem include the journal, and the Ardahan University which is relatively new, and perhaps not accredited? Atsme 💬 📧 23:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Pretty much. Although it's possible a "good" piece will get published in such a journal (if, say, a good faith academic gets duped into submitting) it is an inherently disreputable publication so can give no confidence that WP:V is satisfied in respect of reliability. If the author, or their colleagues, manages to get published in a bona fide journal, then that would be another matter. If the content for inclusion is truly accepted knowledge, it should be possible to find an alternative source. Alexbrn ( talk) 05:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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What about this source for https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=COVID-19_drug_repurposing_research&diff=1086118345&oldid=1086118260?: https://www.bcm.edu/news/covid-19-patients-have-increased-oxidative-stress-oxidant-damage-and-glutathione-deficiency

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It's churnalism. What do you mean "Merry Christmas"? Alexbrn ( talk) 08:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

I said "Merry Christmas" because I felt stressed by you since I was editing an article and it was interrupted the same minute by you. Perhaps you can wait for 10 minutes before you revert changes. What do you think about https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7263077/ -- Bawanio ( talk) 08:48, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

What would be the advantage of waiting? That is primary source from 2020. Alexbrn ( talk) 08:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

It gives the editor time to reflect over their own edits which may make them improve the sources for example. Well, glutathione covid-treatment is widely researched, please give it a shot. -- Bawanio ( talk) 09:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Your best bet is something like PMID:33336769, though interest in this seems to have evaporated since the early stages of the pandemic. Alexbrn ( talk) 09:22, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

( talk page watcher) I think it's very likely to be WP:UNDUE to treat glutathione as being important in Covid. I think there would have to be a review of clinical studies before we should cover it. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 20:41, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi,

What POV problems are there for the recent edits on the page? Thanks Altanner1991 ( talk) 18:15, 8 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Excessive attribution rather than WP:ASSERTION and a big disconnect between what your edit summary said and what happened. Please continue any further discussion at the article's Talk page. So far as I can see, that article does not have a WP:MEDPRI problem. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:17, 8 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Btw I was also gonna add https://goop.com/wellness/health/understanding-diabetes/

Also this https://www.goodhormonehealth.com/2020/02/03/3ss-2/ Machinexa ( talk) 08:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Why troll? Alexbrn ( talk) 08:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC) reply

What? Machinexa ( talk) 08:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Oh, you were serious about adding Goop as a source? Alexbrn ( talk) 08:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Machinexa Good Hormone Health is also not a reliable source reference. Either limit your referencing to reviews published in reliable source journals or cease to edit medical/health/supplement articles. David notMD ( talk) 22:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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I'd like to apologize for edit-warring in the GBD article with possibly unreliable sources. I'm not very experienced with MEDRS, so I'll stop editing the GBD article for now. X-Editor ( talk) 19:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC) reply

NP, maybe WP:MEDFAQ (incomplete as it is) may be useful? Alexbrn ( talk) 19:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC) reply

That seems useful. Thanks! X-Editor ( talk) 20:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC) reply

User:Novem Linguae/Essays/MEDRS simple explanation might also be helpful. I'm still refining it, feedback welcome. But I think it concisely captures some main points. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 22:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC) reply

I'll also be sure to check that out. X-Editor ( talk) 23:36, 7 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Your edit summary here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=COVID-19_lab_leak_theory&curid=66692273&diff=1093872785&oldid=1093871692 mentions "plagiarism". I'm not sure what you're referring to. Please clarify. Le Marteau ( talk) 09:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC) reply

You took novel wording out of a source and asserted it without attribution in Wikipedia's voice. Alexbrn ( talk) 09:47, 19 June 2022 (UTC) reply

My wording is not "novel" I put it in my own words as the story is being covered. You need to stop calling other editors work "plagiarism" so casually. You're helping to make the place suck. Le Marteau ( talk) 09:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Please Google "WHO reverses stance". That is how the issue is being phrased by MULTIPLE reliable sources, not just me. Le Marteau ( talk) 09:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Irrelevant. Don't copy thoughts out of sources as if it's your own work. Alexbrn ( talk) 10:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi Alexbrn You removed my edit on Havana Syndrome page as unreliable. However, it was supported by statements by one of the leading experts in the field of neuroweapons, Dr Giordano of Georgetown University at a medical symposium organized by UT Southwest. Judging by the expediency with which you removed the edit, you didn't have time to review two videos from the symposium I posted as substantiation. I would hardly call a statement from the leading expert in the field at a medical symposium unreliable. Please, correct the situation. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenbermd ( talk • contribs) 09:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC) reply

We need reputably-published sources, and the WP:LEDE must only be a summary of material already in the article body. Please make any further comment at Talk:Havana syndrome. Thanks. Alexbrn ( talk) 09:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Thanks for trying to improve that article lately, I remember of the GEVAL mess and will try to compare when I can. — Paleo Neonate – 16:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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Are you working up Sylvain Lesné? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Noticed all this stuff this morning. Not sure if notable as a person, though the likely ramifications are ... ! Alexbrn ( talk) 20:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Can you get this? I'm paywalled ... https://www.startribune.com/senior-university-of-minnesota-scientist-responds-to-fraud-allegations-in-alzheimers-research/600192351/ SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Is this a copy? https://yrtnews.com/senior-u-scientist-responds-to-allegations-of-fraud-in-alzheimers-disease-research/ SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Never mind, I got it ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

• @ SandyGeorgia: Also, this Alexbrn ( talk) 05:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

  Just coming to today after 14 hours sleep, COVID brain fog. Haven't yet checked the article, but knew that angle was coming. Glad we got out ahead of the curve ... will next check if it has hit the New York Times, Wash Post et al yet ... A lot of the financial stuff is mentioned in the Science podcast that I added to External Links last night, just before I crashed with COVID exhaustion ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

  PS, I'm really slow today in case you have a chance to get on any of it ... I imagine I will find all kinds of novice editing messing up the articles already. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

  PS, read the Science Podcast ... there are two separate and concurrent scandals. Kinda makes one contemplate MEDRS ... SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

  I'm slow too (travelling Bruges->Cambridge coming back from a post-COVID holiday). Nice work on Sylvain Lesné BTW! Alexbrn ( talk) 15:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

  Still catching up, still slow, relieved to see the article held over night, will incorporate new sources throughout the day. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

  PS, I got lucky on Lesné. As you noticed, I jumped the gun on notability a bit, which I had not realized when I started the article. I held my breath, knowing he would shortly become notable. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:16, 23 July 2022 (UTC) reply

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Bravo from me too. I looked at what it was about, and I can only Facepalm over that stuff on Twitter. (But then again, that's pretty much always how I feel about Twitter.) -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC) reply

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It's made of wood ... Alexbrn ( talk) 17:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC) reply

26 Jul 2022 research article in Science: The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic

Key quote: "Our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trade in China, and show that the Huanan market was the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic." -- Guy Macon Alternate Account ( talk) 07:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I've raised this at COVID-19 lab leak theory (and indeed started including content there). Alexbrn ( talk) 07:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Considering your expertise with this, I thought I'd just leave a note in case you'd like to evaluate these claims and sources. There's a claim of randomised controlled trials but the idea that listening to a sound effect could replace anaesthesia still appears extraordinary to me. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate – 21:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply

@ PaleoNeonate: Never heard of this! I'll take a look ... Alexbrn ( talk) 04:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC) reply

@ PaleoNeonate: In the end I did a WP:BLAR. Alexbrn ( talk) 06:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply

• Oh well, that didn't stick. Have raised a query at WT:MED. Alexbrn ( talk) 14:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC) reply

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The user in question is "Smaricic". If you look at their user page part of the text there is just a advertisement asking people to go to a certain website. I believe trying to convince the person to remove the text over the "talk section" won't work at all. I have no idea what official channel to go through for something like this (that's not trying to convincing a user through their talk page). 2601:443:47F:2130:29E1:CFFE:3736:BA4D ( talk) 00:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Read WP:WPSPAM for some guidance on what to do ... Alexbrn ( talk) 04:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I see that you did some work on the Placebo article, there's a long standing mis-reference dating to:

Revision as of 11:15, 22 August 2019 (edit) (undo) Anywikiuser (talk | contribs) (Restructured lede, moving effects and non-effects to a higher paragraph; various other tweaks.)

which puts reference (4) as supporting the text "In general, placebos can affect how patients perceive their condition and encourage the body's chemical processes for relieving pain" - the given reference doesn't in fact support that. I'm unclear how to unpick this particular problem, so just alerting you as a possibly interested editor. In Vitro Infidelium ( talk) 12:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply

In this edit, you changed your comment and inserted the phrase maybe even to the point of WP:BLUDGEONING. I believe that my edits in that RfC were civil, that I responded to comments directly, and that I did not engage in the sort of repetitive thumping of one's own arguments that constitutes bludgeoning. Please do not hedge on this—if you mean to suggest that I was bludgeoning, please say so directly. But, if you do not believe that I was bludgeoning the discussion, please strike that comment so as to not cast WP:ASPERSIONS. — Red-tailed hawk  _(nest) 06:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I think you're right - comment struck out. Alexbrn ( talk) 06:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Thank you. — Red-tailed hawk  _(nest) 06:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC) reply

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If you can think of a good solution that would be great. The scheme is to prevent abusive emails being sent with the claim their content is protected; in that case I reserve the right to share (something I've never had to do). Bon courage ( talk) 10:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Note to my Talk Page stalkers: I have changed my Username in an attempt to reduce the risk of further outing and off-wiki harassment. Bon courage ( talk) 10:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

I am so sorry this has occurred. I do like the new name though. Very fitting. -- ARose Wolf 15:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Me, too. And of course this resident of BONaire likes the name... . Atsme 💬 📧 17:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

+1 to all of that. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 18:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Might want to {{ Db-author}} or revision delete more of your userpage. I still see some personal info floating around in the oldest revisions in there. Hope that helps. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 18:44, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello, Bon courage,

I just noticed that you changed your username. If you are concerned, you might tag any redirects from your former account to this account for deletion. Generally, all of your user subpages have a redirect from your former account to your current account. I'm sorry if you have faced any harassment. You've done so much good work here, no one should face abuse for simply editing an encyclopedia. Take care, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC) reply

• Thanks Liz, ARoseWolf, Atsme, Novem Linguae & Tryptofish for your encouragement and support. The baddies have noted the name change in various locations and of course once you've "outed" yourself on Wikipedia the genie can't be put back in the bottle. I am contemplating another name change in the future to muddy the tracks, or maybe a WP:FRESHSTART – though that seems to invite as many problems as it would solve since the assumption seems to be that fresh starts always follow problem histories! Bon courage ( talk) 13:36, 24 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Gotta wait a bit, still not actually open. Someone else is supposed to add a co-nom, but they're very busy. I'll be opening it up in 6 or so hours if they haven't added their nomination statement by that point. Thanks for the vote of confidence as well. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 17:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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I just want to say that I appreciate your patience. I'm willing to learn and listen. TheWandering ( talk) 02:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

All that's needed is to find good sources and summarize them well. There is no need to fight. Bon courage ( talk) 02:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello @ Bon courage, you've gone thru and reverted all my edits from the past couple days, I think I'm doing the right thing, can you explain what the problem is? Lead's commonly have a sentence or two about health affects of the article's topic. For example, the meat article already had health information about raw meat in the lead, in a single sentence, medical information about overcooked meat should work as well? Brian Shaposky ( talk) 17:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC) reply

You seem to be inserting the same content from non- WP:MEDRS sources into multiple articles, and using a cancer.gov source which states "IARC did not conclude that HCAs and PAHs were associated with cancer incidence", to imply not just the opposite, but the opposite effect as causal. Medical sourcing for human health, especially serious diseases like cancer, needs to be impeccable and responsibly summarized, and Wikipedia must be careful not to contain misleading content. Bon courage ( talk) 17:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC) reply

First, there are three different chemicals in question here, PACs, HCAs, and Acrylamide. You seem to be disputing the source for PACs and HCAs resulting from burnt meat. But, you also reverted my edits on Potatoes and starch, about acrymalide resulting from burning those foods. That's based on a different source, from the American Cancer society (Cancer.org, easy to confuse with cancer.gov), which says in no uncertain terms that it is probably carcinogenic. Do you also think these sources are bad or did you just think it was the same as the meat and fat articles, and if so can I re-add my edits here?

@ user:bon courage did you have a response to this?

Regarding the sentence in the cancer.gov article about PACs and HCAs, the sentence right before it says they determined it to be "probably carcinogenic to humans", which is why I always used "probable" "potentially" or "likely" when referring to the chemicals created from burning food as carcinogens. The sentence saying they couldn't conclude they were associated doesn't mean they disproved it, it just means the didn't meet a certain significance interval to definitely say they were associated. Both are correct, that its "probably carcinogenic" and that it hasn't been definitively proven yet.

@ user:bon courage did you have a response to this?

Also, another sources I used, Healthline, said similar things, is that source also not satisfactory for WP:MEDRS? The organization seems reputable, with articles written from experts, containing citations to other reputable medical organizations. Also, the source from the uk university should satisfy WP:MEDRS right? And lastly, I don't think it hurts to add reputable news organizations, like Times of India, writing articles based on good medical sources and summarizing the results. Or are you saying I shouldn't include these other sources at all?

Brian Shaposky ( talk) 17:59, 1 October 2022 (UTC) reply

None of those sources (except cancer.gov) are WP:MEDRS for these kinds of weighty statements about cancer. Bon courage ( talk) 18:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Ok, but does it hurt to add sources that say the same things as reputable organizations? Often the reputable organizations are American ones, and if there's an article from another country in a reputable news source that has the same conclusion, that can help increase the confidence in the claim made for people who might want something from institutions in their own country saying the same thing. Brian Shaposky ( talk) 18:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Just use reliable sources. Bon courage ( talk) 19:19, 1 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Chris Ducat Also dealing with this behavior from this account, they're being banned from accessing my email. I have pointed out specific examples of phrases that are not NPOV and their only response is "it's good". No, the summary of Low-carbohydrate diet needs to reflect phrasing that is NPOV. The diet has been practiced, in some form or another, since the 19th century and has mountains of research behind it. Reducing carbohydrates and sugars is not "extreme". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Ducat ( talk • contribs) 15:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC) reply

What you say about the diet is wrong. It might be an idea to follow WP:BRD and raise any suggestion you have at Talk:Low-carbohydrate diet. Repeteadly blanking most of the lede is unhelpful. Bon courage ( talk) 15:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello there, there is an important topic which you removed to do with the miscateogization of the AT; see below:

The Select Committee on Science and Technology of the House of Lords included 44 recommendations in its comprehensive report on “Complementary and Alternative Medicine” (CAM) released in November. Many of the recommendations refer to a classification scheme used in the report to organize therapies into three groups.

Group 1, called “Professionally Organised Alternative Therapies” contains acupuncture, chiropractic, herbal medicine, homeopathy, and osteopathy. The Lords report says: “Each of these therapies claims to have an individual diagnostic approach and are seen as the ‘Big 5’ by most of the CAM world.”

Group 2, called “Complementary Therapies” contains Alexander technique, aromatherapy, Bach and other flower remedies, body work therapies including massage, counselling stress therapy, hypnotherapy, meditation, reflexology, Shiatsu, spiritual healing, Maharishi Ayurvedic Medicine, nutritional medicine, and Yoga. Therapies in this group “are most often used to complement conventional medicine and do not purport to embrace diagnostic skills.” 68.129.197.221 ( talk) 12:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Sorry, what? In general a report from the House of Lords is not a reliable source for things in the realm of science/medicine. Please discuss this article's content at its Talk page. Bon courage ( talk) 12:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC) reply

This is not the only source for this info, but there are no sources stating explicitly the AT is an alternative medicine to my knowledge (it isn't one). 68.129.197.221 ( talk) 13:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC) reply

The Complete Guide to Complementary Therapies in Cancer Care, pp. 155-159 (2011)No Access

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/9789814335669_0023

https://scoliosisclinic.co.uk/blog/complementary-therapies-and-scoliosis/

https://wp.stolaf.edu/musician-health/complementary-practices/ 68.129.197.221 (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://alexandertechnique.co.uk/public/document/registering-complementary-natural-healthcare-council

https://nass.co.uk/managing-my-as/exercise/complementary-therapies/ 68.129.197.221 ( talk) 18:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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This is an attempt to address perceived disruptive editing of the biography for Martin Kulldorff.

WP:BLP states the following:

All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing.

WP:RSP states the following:

Context matters tremendously, and some sources may or may not be suitable for certain uses depending on the situation.

This edit is an unsourced statement that you made after you participated in a discussion on the talk page specifically about it being unsourced and factually inaccurate. In that discussion, you acknowledged that the SBM article's "wording is imprecise" and that this new version is what you think "the "two years" comment means." This is WP:OR.

WP:OR states the following:

A source "directly supports" a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of this policy against original research.

Poorly sourced and contentious material are not acceptable in a biography. This is core policy, as quoted above. This biography and the statement itself is also in context of WP:ARBCOVID, of which I'm sure you're aware.

WP:TE states the following:

Tendentious editing is a manner of editing that, when taken as a whole, is partisan, biased, or skewed. It does not conform to neutral point of view, and it fails to do so at a level more general than an isolated comment that was badly thought out. On Wikipedia, the term also carries the connotation of repetitive attempts to insert or delete content, or behavior that tends to frustrate proper editorial processes and discussions.

Because the statement as currently written is unsourced, it should be removed from the biography as original research without further discussion.

Michael.C.Wright ( ^Talk/ _Edits) 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Michael.C.Wright, luckily that source links to its source which makes it clear it's the 2020/2021 season. [4] If you're concerned, that additional cite can be added. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 02:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

The SBM article does not mention the 2020/2021 season at all.

The statement from the SBM is this: "The past two years, with COVID-19 mitigation in place, the flu killed just one child." If the author was talking about a single flu season, they should have written "the 2020/2021 season." But they didn't. They wrote "the past two years" which is not a simile for "the 2020/2021 flu season."

The article was published in December of 2021. The past two years would therefore be 2020 and 2021. That will include part of the 2020/21 flu season and part of the 2019/20 flu season, which makes the statement of "just one child" factually false.

Editors are having to make assumptions and insinuations to make it say otherwise. The word "season" is used exactly once in that entire SBM article and it is not in the context of one child who died of influenza.

Bon courage has already acknowledged the SBM article is imprecisely worded. Therefore any attempt to "interpret" the imprecision is WP:OR. On a WP:BLP, the sources should be of such quality that they stand on their own, without interpretation. This is core policy.

As I continue to ask other editors and now I'll ask you; if an editor said 'what Kulldorff really meant was not what he said, but this...' would you accept it on a COVID-related BLP?

Michael.C.Wright ( ^Talk/ _Edits) 02:43, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

As it's not providing detail about the BLP or making a claim about the BLP, I don't see it as a BLP violation. The source cited links the text flu killed just one child to the CDC site which provides the clarity necessary to state 2021/2022. We have a secondary source providing the context and linking it to the article subject and then another source, specifically called out by a secondary source, that gives the exact data. That isn't an OR issue. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 02:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

"if an editor said 'what Kulldorff really meant was not what he said, but this...'" ← if Kulldorff had written something vague but it was 100% obvious from the context what was meant then yes, we would respect the obvious meaning and certainly not propagate a wrong interpretation. And (unlike this case) that might actually have a BLP aspect to it. Bon courage ( talk) 03:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Michael.C.Wright ( ^Talk/ _Edits) 16:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Bloody Hell! you just won't give it a rest will you. Please never post to my Talk page again. Bon courage ( talk) 16:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Why are you deleting correctly cited and referenced text regarding the 'Origins of Cannabidiol. What authority do you have to delete factual information cited correctly?? Qualitative CBD Researcher ( talk) 10:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Please see your Talk page. Bon courage ( talk) 10:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply

I have seen your response; it doesn't answer the question. Qualitative CBD Researcher ( talk) 10:41, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Perhaps try WP:BRD at Talk:Cannabidiol ? Bon courage ( talk) 10:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply

I was not aware that one was not allowed to remove incorrect & opinion-based information without replacing it. This seems counterproductive to supplying accurate information but I will be happy to gather the correct research and *current* information since I have access to it. Veritst1.6 ( talk) 21:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Please discuss article content at the article's Talk page. Thanks. Bon courage ( talk) 21:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC) reply

I'd categorised you as a new good chap, and have just now discovered your secret identity. - Roxy the dog 08:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC) reply

This was discussed at the cabal's Summer Summit, Roxy. You were there, so must have been doggy daydreaming ... Bon courage ( talk) 12:24, 24 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Is it really necessary to carve up lasting content on an article with (my count) fourteen edits in a three hour span? Including the renaming? It's a bit over the top. This is a collaborative project... SmolBrane ( talk) 15:59, 28 November 2022 (UTC) reply

I could have bundled them up into one, but I prefer to do individual edits to make it cleaner. You'll see some great new sourcing too – Rejoice! Meanwhile, the discussion at WT:MED is gradually veering in a good direction I think ... Bon courage ( talk) 16:05, 28 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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See User:Shibbolethink/Sandbox. I think my personal position is "generally reliable except science/data reporting".—  Shibbolethink ^{( ♔ ♕)} 15:04, 1 December 2022 (UTC) reply

I don't really approve of WP:RSP - and this current situation shows why. It has no policy force so can't be used as much of an argument, particularly when an entry depends on a single RfC. I might comment on a RfC, but suspect it could open a whole can on worms with the fringers coming down on one side, US politics people having God-knows-what axes to grind, and many participants not appreciating why a "Pullitzer-prize winning" outfit could be dubious. Bon courage ( talk) 15:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Your recent editing history at Endemic COVID-19 shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Crossroads ^-talk- 09:21, 2 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Edit warring to use prevention.com as a source for COVID-19. Okay, you've shown your colours. Bon courage ( talk) 09:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Oh, that's the issue? Then just delete it and leave the other 4 sources. [5] Very strange to purge comments from the head of the World Health Organization. Crossroads ^-talk- 09:33, 2 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Not really, I've inserted them in another article where they're appropriate. Thanks for the reminder about 3RR: in my concern to get the article right I'd temporarily put it out of my mind! Bon courage ( talk) 09:37, 2 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Don't know if any admins are watching, but having trouble at User talk:World Carnivore Tribe‎ with that user stirring things and wanting to riff on my real-world identity. Bon courage ( talk) 13:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Sorry to hear about that. Absent a prompt response, there's an email link at the top of WP:OS. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 15:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC) reply

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