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You removed much more than the map. Jim1138 ( talk) 10:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
BTW: Check the map: File:Tondov.2.png. It has references. Jim1138 ( talk) 10:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:No_original_research. The page is obviously NOT following Wikipedia guidelines. Stricnina ( talk) 10:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
some of editors here are planing to return this page on the previous version that is little or almost to no- information at all i hope it wont end up to that.( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 00:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC))
No User: Alternativity she/he can't , because no Proper WP:CONSENSUS done by both parties because until we find a proper consensus agreed by the Both members i afraid it will be restored ( WP:VERIFIABILITY) until we don't have that it be restored ( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 03:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC))
we are not - anti accademic , where adding information which is based from the descriptions from the different written accounts (western and non-western views) in fact i was a pro-scholar works i am against in the theories from popular beliefs or a stereotypes. old version are of article are un-scholar because it contains no information . ( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 05:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC))
Hi. Just clarifying. Why did you include me in a list of people who cited vedicempire.com? (If I did, it must have been many years ago when I wasn't that familiar with wp rules yet, and I apologize for a stupid mistake. But I don't recall ever doing so.) Did you think I'm supporting the use of that site? Because to be honest I'm a little insulted. I've gone out of my way to document existing community consensus against the use of such sites. On another topic, I hope you don't mind unsolicited wp advice, but maybe you want to use a slightly more polite tone? There's value in calling bullsXXt, well, bullsXXt. But it doesn't exactly help our case for NPOV, right? :D Thank you for your cleanup work here. The Pasig River kingdoms are not my primary geographic focus so I'm glad someone else is protecting local history. (While you're at it, Lakandula and Namayan may also merit a close watch. Thanks, - Alternativity ( talk) 11:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm deeply relieved to have someone else watching this page who also knows the references. I've been cleaning up this space (and Lakandula) for years. Hehe. The current page has recently been stuffed full of non-academic assertions by editors pushing a popular/populist/nationalist slant. You should have seen it in '07 or '08 when it was hijacked by the Chinese. I don't even want to get into details because people might get ideas again. But needless to say I had to go out and find a translator to disprove assertions based on Chinese language journals. (The translated journals did not say what the article claimed they did.) The people I tagged in the WP:Philippines project page earlier are reasonable admins. If you need any advice or support in enforcing wp rules, you may wanna holler for help there so you're not alone. (Would you mind taking a second look at Ma-i btw, I just finished a cleanup there but I think it could use a second set of eyes. Cheers and happy cleanup. - Alternativity ( talk) 11:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi there! Not sure what you want to do with this, but I later discovered the "bayangpinagpala" reference is identical to the source cited in academic literature as "Tiongson, J. F. 2008. The Laguna Copperplate Inscription: A New Interpretation Using Early Tagalog Dictionaries. The Paper presented at the 8th International Conference on Philippine Studies held at the Philippine Social Science Center, Quezon City." The bayangpinagpala page was a page by the Pila Historical Society wich Tiongson apparently allowed to reprint his paper. The problem is, my copy of the source (I printed it out because I didn't know about the internet archive at the time) is in deep storage back in the provinces, so I can't verify the assertions line by line... which is unfortunately what we need to do. I should warn you that a number of editors have been taking valid references and using them to say things that aren't actually in the text. I'm not sure this isn't one of those cases. I'll try to unearth the Tiongson ref the next time I go home. Cheers and happy cleaning up. :D - Alternativity ( talk) 11:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
freaknina, if you know the term Read and understand the context of what they being discuss there, the spread of Hindu-Buddhist faith if as with a references on Books and news papers not Blogs so your doing is sort of yes...you cleaning up but some are under the Pretext of scholar of a popular belief pushing here that they are isolated etc..(which is different from Chinese and Spanish and Indian Sources) in short your friends are selecting the books you will allowed, i monitoring this what so called improvements ps ..i anit making up any stories here it is based on a neutrally schollary / works of academic people. ( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 01:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC))
Well, you DID make it, I think. But just before the admin closed the previous nomination as "no consensus" because there were too many changes. I've re-proposed it under the new name Tondo (historical polity) as you suggested. On a diffferent matter, I notice you've received at least one attack on your talk page. Next time that happens (hopefully it doesn't), you may want to report it as quickly as possible at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (the shortcut to which is WP:ANI. Such attacks should have no place in wikipedia, dagnabbit. - Alternativity ( talk) 04:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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for your efforts to protect Tondo (historical polity) from those pushing unscholarly Fringe Theories. Alternativity ( talk) 04:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC) |
Hi, do you have a link to the cited source of POTET, Jean-Paul G. (2016). Tagalog Borrowings and Cognates. Lulu.com. p. 334. ISBN 9781326615796 that shows the page that says that certain Tagalog words are of Mandarin origin. The preview pages in Google Books do not show p. 334 and I don't have a copy of this book. The tagalog words listed under chinese loanwords of mandarin origin do not make sense historically and linguistically but make more sense with the cantonese and hokkien pronunciations that can be seen for these characters in wiktionary and are more historically consistent as words used in the past recent centuries in the southern chinese coast trade where the historical chinese traders, migrants and residents in the Philippines from the past centuries were hokkien and cantonese speakers rather than mandarin of northern china. See and compare the pronunciations for these on their wiktionary pages with even the different romanization systems and the specific dialect of the city where most chinese traders and migrants of the Philippines in the past centuries descend from which is for hokkien usually the Quanzhou Jinjiang dialect or sometimes the Zhangzhou dialect and for cantonese, sometimes the Guangdong dialect of canton and macau or sometimes even the taishan dialect next to them: 鴉片, 味精, 金 條, 匕首, 舢板, 茶. Check even the individual characters for other extra unmentioned chinese topolects that were not yet added to the other pages. Some rare non-hokkien derived words might even make more sense to have closer pronunciations with Cantonese, Hakka, Teochew, or even rare instances with Shanghainese Wu than Mandarin if one checks the pronunciation in line with the main southern chinese groups that have historically traded with and influenced southeast asian countries of the south seas trade of the past centuries. For opium in the Philippines, the opium trade and consumption in China and Southeast Asia happened in around the 18th-19th century and the main chinese group residing in the philippine colonial cities at that time were Hokkien speakers which opium is pronounced as a-phiàn in hokkien which is closer to apyan rather than mandarin yāpiàn which linguistically speaking would've required some longer length of time period to evolve to apyan if it were really from that. For Betsin, if it came from Vetsin which came from the Tien Chu Ve-Tsin company established in Shanghai and Hongkong in 1923, it most probably even came from Shanghainese Wu since the company was established from Shanghai and the Shanghainese pronunciation in wiktionary for the individual characters is "vi-jin" or "/v̻i²³/-/t͡ɕɪɲ⁵³/" in IPA. For ginto, gold is a very old trading resource and the pre-18th century chinese residents in the Philippines were cantonese and after that are the hokkien migrants. If ginto is really supposedly from 金條, "ginto" would make more sense and sound plenty closer to either hokkien "kim-tiâu" or cantonese "gam1-tiu4/tiu5" rather than a mandarin "jīn-tiáo" which would be a strange linguistic evolution if it did somehow evolve from that. For pisaw, from mandarin "bǐ-shǒu", cantonese "bei6 sau2", hokkien "pí-siú", hakka "pí-sú", the closest one that makes sense would of course be cantonese "bei6 sau2" which is /pei̯²² sɐu̯³⁵/ in IPA. For sampan, 舢板 is pronounced "san-pán" in hokkien and "saan1 baan2" in cantonese or its variant form 三板 is "saam1-baan2" in cantonese and "sam-pán" in hokkien which is mentioned in min-nan wiktionary and mandarin wikipedia. For Tsaa, given how its pronounced in tagalog with the ts- and extra a, and also the historical old pre-18th century cantonese migrants and traders in the country with tea as such an old trade good, it would make more sense from cantonese "caa4" than mandarin "chá" nor hokkien "tê". Also if you took out yasuwi from the chinese list, why not take out yasuwi from the japanese list as per what i said in the talk page. - - Mlgc1998 ( talk) 02:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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— Stevey7788 ( talk) 17:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)Hi Stricnina, thank you for your constructive edits to the List of loanwords in Tagalog. I have just a minor issue: please do not mark your edits as minor, unless you make minimal edits as defined here. The definition of "minor" is certainly not rigid, but addition of content (valuable content, in your case) is not minor. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your attention to the various Battles of Manila articles. I agree that they are contradictory, and that the references to them are relatively minor mentions in difficult-to-find, out-of-print books. (But I have attempted to preserve the contradictions, since they are in the various texts.)
It took me a long time to find those references because I wanted to make sure all the theories for the possible founding date of Maynila and Tondo were covered, and because of my own inclusionist tendencies which I've described elsewhere. But I agree that they're mostly obscure, and the 1405 one does look downright implausible.
Despite having authored at least one of these articles, I don't think I'd object too much if they were deleted. If the data is put in a merged article and tagged for verification, I might even be able to unearth the articles. They're in photographed pages from books I found in libraries, so it might take some time. (Also, because of my writing style, in some cases people try to simplify the text I write and end up erasing my caveats, thus turning my recognition of legends and theories into seeming assertions of fact... I don't have the time to go through all of the history to check.)
Anyway. Let me generally express support for your cleanup efforts. I hope I'm better today at writing citations, years after writing these articles. I'll try not to leave as much of a referencing mess as I used to.
On an additional note, since I'm so unavailable nowadays (and splitting my attention between this and a totally different historical period), perhaps I can ask you to look into outdated claims of direct Indian presence in the archipelago? (And if they ever try again, of similar claims for the Chinese?) I try to keep up, but those who keep pushing a romanticized image of empires keep twisting the narrative to reflect their preferred worldview, and pushing outdated texts instead of present scholarship. - Alternativity ( talk) 16:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the request to assume good faith was more directed at the person accusing you of bullying than at you. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Some of my Battles of Manila articles are messed up, I felt hurt at first, that you are proposing the deletion of my works but it in retrospect I admit it's for the greater good. However there are some essential elements that should be retained like how in those particular years, Bruneian, Majapahit and Chinese records show that Manila was part of their empire or paid vassalage. Whether there was a battle to conquer Manila is vague with many authors like Scott and others saying conflicting things, I think we should just make new articles clarifying that it was an "incorporation" of Manila instead of a battle and then just state the view of so and so scholar who said that it's a battle or the opposing view that it was an incorporation through marriage alliance, vassalage, allegiance, tribute payment or whatever the case may be.
-- Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. ( talk) 12:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Stricnina ( talk), this is Xiang09 ( talk).
Contrary to what you have chosen as a "quote" in Aswang Project's article, where you claimed that Aswang Project stated that there is no Bulan deity in Bicolano mythology, please be noted that it was not the author of the article that stated that there was never a Bulan deity in Bicolano myths. It was a certain Erwin S. Cabarles, a mere Facebook user. Additionally, there is a Bulan deity mentioned in Bicolano myths. No less than said Facebook user also mentions this. The Facebook user claimed that Bulan was 'lifted' from a Visayan myth. Aswang Project rebutted the Facebook user in bold, stating that the Facebook user's claim is "highly speculative". Aswang Project notes,
This is highly speculative. I don’t buy that the Bicol Creation Myth was “lifted” from the Visayan. It is more likely that they share a similar creation myth that had not been documented previously.The above theory would be accurate if we were to believe that the Spanish and other documentation was 100% accurate and exhaustive – which we know is untrue. We would also need to believe that myth and folklore does not evolve and change – which we also know is untrue. We would also need to believe that there were no migrant workers or trade in the pre-colonial Philippines who shared stories – which we also know is untrue.
Greetings! I don't know if this already has caught your attention, but it will certainly be of interest for you: Commons:Deletion requests/File:3D Image of Tagalog component Languages.png. – Austronesier ( talk) 14:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I think this [1] might be of interest for you. If the admins decide to unblock, let AGF pervail and stay cool, but we should take extra care that standards are upheld. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate your vigorous efforts to revert the promiscuous additions of Anitism-related content to so many articles. I went through the oldest postings of HKong and did same. Most of that was insertion of images rather than large blocks of text. David notMD ( talk) 11:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hello Madame Stricnina I would like to propose that a new article about the "Kedatuan of Dapitan" be created or the old oone be restored with new content added, since the discussion about its' deletion show that there are multiple valid sources about it, not included in the original deleted article.
Discussion here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kedatuan_of_Dapitan
In addition I found out that there were ancient Chinese sources specifically mentioning the state of Dapitan here: http://tulay.ph/2018/02/06/sayao-and-dapitan/ and ironically they found out about the state of Dapitan they researched in Ming sources because of the Wikipedia article you guys deleted. In line with the discussions about the article and recent discoveries, I respectfully request that you guys either restore the Kedatuan of Dapitan article with the new references added in or create a new article including the newly supplied references. Thank you and God Bless.-- Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. ( talk) 13:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Stricnina, your input here will be highly appriciated, as always! – Austronesier ( talk) 13:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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For critically evaluating Wikipedia content, and diligently foiling the sockpuppets who add bad content. I couldn't have done anything about the latest round if it wasn't for your previous work. Crossroads -talk- 04:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC) |
Hi, Stricnina! I want to know, do Filipino people use East Asian style of personal seal in the past like East Asian people (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) do nowadays? I have read that from this article Seal_(East_Asia)#Filipino_usage, it seem out of topic from what supposedly that article want to discuss about it. Thanks! - Ibrahim Muizzuddin ( talk) 02:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I feel as if the said person deleted too much of the history section of the Philippines especially the Islamic era, even though I agree with him that the article is excessively detailed, I also feel that the said deleted portions were crucial and necessary, can you chime in on this? Thanks!
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Hello, I noticed you begun AfD's for a couple of "Battle of Manila"'s last year. I have been looking through other Battle of Manilas, and have particular concerns over Battle of Manila (1570), Battle of Manila (1574), and Battle of Manila (1896). In all of the sources of these article I can access, I cannot find a reference to a "Battle of Manila". (The 1574 article seems particularly bleak.) I also haven't found anything through some brief googling, aside from Wikipedia mirrors. I was wondering if you have insights into these, since you didn't nominate them with the others. Thanks, CMD ( talk) 15:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Stricnina: Hey, I saw you mension Potet before. I wondered if you have access to Baybayin, the Syllabic Alphabet of the Tagalogs? I was able to see a few snaps of the book and it seems good and helpful for the Wiki article, but I can't find a free source anywhere. Did you find any? Glennznl ( talk) 19:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Showing you this because you have extensive experience with this banned user:
Do you think this is them again? Crossroads -talk- 14:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Crossroads: I want to thank you again for dealing with it. I also want to thank you for doing this last time. I still remember that month and it made me actually give up because it was clear to me that I was dealing again with the same sockpuppet yet every time that I have to open an SPI I have to collect diffs again and again and I was already tired of collecting evidences at that point. I was actually entertaining the idea of just letting the person behind the sockpuppet to just do whatever they want. I was about to quit because it turned into a lonely and frustrating whack-a-mole game with the same sockpuppet master. I actually felt relieved when you made this post. So, thank you very much!
Now that it's done, is there a way to automatically merge the several deities created by that last sockpuppet account to its relevant pages? For example, merging Kabunian, Malaon and Makapatag, Bulan (religion) (why the religion as disambiguation? I don't even think Bulan is a "religion"), Mangetchay, Mebuyan, Walain Katolosan, Sidapa, Haliya (deity), Incantus, Oryol (religion), Gugurang, Lakapati, Siyak (Haik), Kadaw La Sambad and Bulon La Mogoaw, Malayari, Apûng Malyari, Dangga (Agitot), Matan-ayon, Magindara, Urang Kaya Hadjiyula, Sondayo etc. into Deities of Philippine Mythology? I don't think each and everyone of these deities deserve a Wikipedia page of their own as per WP:Notability, etc. Stricnina ( talk) 16:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Kumusta kaibigan, I hope you are keeping emotionally and physically well during covid. Good luck with your exams.
I came across you few weeks ago on articles related to loanwords in tagalog and Indianised polity related articles. Subsequently, I have not been able to devote time to edit those, but have bene coimpling the research material int he background.
Reason I came here is to invite you to please subscribe to Talk:Thitu_Island#Chinese/Taiwanese_POV_pushing article. I do not know any other piunoy editor kasi. I have just tried to clean up this article on pinoy spartly island full of China/Taiwanese POV pushing. Please invite few more filipino editors to watch the article and further enhance it, I have only done a quick clean up lang. These are the changes I made, there is ample scope for further improvements. Thanks. 58.182.176.169 ( talk) 19:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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your recent contributions —the one you made with
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Kingdom of Tondo— because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the
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Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did with
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You removed much more than the map. Jim1138 ( talk) 10:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
BTW: Check the map: File:Tondov.2.png. It has references. Jim1138 ( talk) 10:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:No_original_research. The page is obviously NOT following Wikipedia guidelines. Stricnina ( talk) 10:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
some of editors here are planing to return this page on the previous version that is little or almost to no- information at all i hope it wont end up to that.( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 00:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC))
No User: Alternativity she/he can't , because no Proper WP:CONSENSUS done by both parties because until we find a proper consensus agreed by the Both members i afraid it will be restored ( WP:VERIFIABILITY) until we don't have that it be restored ( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 03:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC))
we are not - anti accademic , where adding information which is based from the descriptions from the different written accounts (western and non-western views) in fact i was a pro-scholar works i am against in the theories from popular beliefs or a stereotypes. old version are of article are un-scholar because it contains no information . ( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 05:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC))
Hi. Just clarifying. Why did you include me in a list of people who cited vedicempire.com? (If I did, it must have been many years ago when I wasn't that familiar with wp rules yet, and I apologize for a stupid mistake. But I don't recall ever doing so.) Did you think I'm supporting the use of that site? Because to be honest I'm a little insulted. I've gone out of my way to document existing community consensus against the use of such sites. On another topic, I hope you don't mind unsolicited wp advice, but maybe you want to use a slightly more polite tone? There's value in calling bullsXXt, well, bullsXXt. But it doesn't exactly help our case for NPOV, right? :D Thank you for your cleanup work here. The Pasig River kingdoms are not my primary geographic focus so I'm glad someone else is protecting local history. (While you're at it, Lakandula and Namayan may also merit a close watch. Thanks, - Alternativity ( talk) 11:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm deeply relieved to have someone else watching this page who also knows the references. I've been cleaning up this space (and Lakandula) for years. Hehe. The current page has recently been stuffed full of non-academic assertions by editors pushing a popular/populist/nationalist slant. You should have seen it in '07 or '08 when it was hijacked by the Chinese. I don't even want to get into details because people might get ideas again. But needless to say I had to go out and find a translator to disprove assertions based on Chinese language journals. (The translated journals did not say what the article claimed they did.) The people I tagged in the WP:Philippines project page earlier are reasonable admins. If you need any advice or support in enforcing wp rules, you may wanna holler for help there so you're not alone. (Would you mind taking a second look at Ma-i btw, I just finished a cleanup there but I think it could use a second set of eyes. Cheers and happy cleanup. - Alternativity ( talk) 11:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi there! Not sure what you want to do with this, but I later discovered the "bayangpinagpala" reference is identical to the source cited in academic literature as "Tiongson, J. F. 2008. The Laguna Copperplate Inscription: A New Interpretation Using Early Tagalog Dictionaries. The Paper presented at the 8th International Conference on Philippine Studies held at the Philippine Social Science Center, Quezon City." The bayangpinagpala page was a page by the Pila Historical Society wich Tiongson apparently allowed to reprint his paper. The problem is, my copy of the source (I printed it out because I didn't know about the internet archive at the time) is in deep storage back in the provinces, so I can't verify the assertions line by line... which is unfortunately what we need to do. I should warn you that a number of editors have been taking valid references and using them to say things that aren't actually in the text. I'm not sure this isn't one of those cases. I'll try to unearth the Tiongson ref the next time I go home. Cheers and happy cleaning up. :D - Alternativity ( talk) 11:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
freaknina, if you know the term Read and understand the context of what they being discuss there, the spread of Hindu-Buddhist faith if as with a references on Books and news papers not Blogs so your doing is sort of yes...you cleaning up but some are under the Pretext of scholar of a popular belief pushing here that they are isolated etc..(which is different from Chinese and Spanish and Indian Sources) in short your friends are selecting the books you will allowed, i monitoring this what so called improvements ps ..i anit making up any stories here it is based on a neutrally schollary / works of academic people. ( Theseeker2016 ( talk) 01:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC))
Well, you DID make it, I think. But just before the admin closed the previous nomination as "no consensus" because there were too many changes. I've re-proposed it under the new name Tondo (historical polity) as you suggested. On a diffferent matter, I notice you've received at least one attack on your talk page. Next time that happens (hopefully it doesn't), you may want to report it as quickly as possible at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (the shortcut to which is WP:ANI. Such attacks should have no place in wikipedia, dagnabbit. - Alternativity ( talk) 04:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Also, I feel you deserve this:
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for your efforts to protect Tondo (historical polity) from those pushing unscholarly Fringe Theories. Alternativity ( talk) 04:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC) |
Hi, do you have a link to the cited source of POTET, Jean-Paul G. (2016). Tagalog Borrowings and Cognates. Lulu.com. p. 334. ISBN 9781326615796 that shows the page that says that certain Tagalog words are of Mandarin origin. The preview pages in Google Books do not show p. 334 and I don't have a copy of this book. The tagalog words listed under chinese loanwords of mandarin origin do not make sense historically and linguistically but make more sense with the cantonese and hokkien pronunciations that can be seen for these characters in wiktionary and are more historically consistent as words used in the past recent centuries in the southern chinese coast trade where the historical chinese traders, migrants and residents in the Philippines from the past centuries were hokkien and cantonese speakers rather than mandarin of northern china. See and compare the pronunciations for these on their wiktionary pages with even the different romanization systems and the specific dialect of the city where most chinese traders and migrants of the Philippines in the past centuries descend from which is for hokkien usually the Quanzhou Jinjiang dialect or sometimes the Zhangzhou dialect and for cantonese, sometimes the Guangdong dialect of canton and macau or sometimes even the taishan dialect next to them: 鴉片, 味精, 金 條, 匕首, 舢板, 茶. Check even the individual characters for other extra unmentioned chinese topolects that were not yet added to the other pages. Some rare non-hokkien derived words might even make more sense to have closer pronunciations with Cantonese, Hakka, Teochew, or even rare instances with Shanghainese Wu than Mandarin if one checks the pronunciation in line with the main southern chinese groups that have historically traded with and influenced southeast asian countries of the south seas trade of the past centuries. For opium in the Philippines, the opium trade and consumption in China and Southeast Asia happened in around the 18th-19th century and the main chinese group residing in the philippine colonial cities at that time were Hokkien speakers which opium is pronounced as a-phiàn in hokkien which is closer to apyan rather than mandarin yāpiàn which linguistically speaking would've required some longer length of time period to evolve to apyan if it were really from that. For Betsin, if it came from Vetsin which came from the Tien Chu Ve-Tsin company established in Shanghai and Hongkong in 1923, it most probably even came from Shanghainese Wu since the company was established from Shanghai and the Shanghainese pronunciation in wiktionary for the individual characters is "vi-jin" or "/v̻i²³/-/t͡ɕɪɲ⁵³/" in IPA. For ginto, gold is a very old trading resource and the pre-18th century chinese residents in the Philippines were cantonese and after that are the hokkien migrants. If ginto is really supposedly from 金條, "ginto" would make more sense and sound plenty closer to either hokkien "kim-tiâu" or cantonese "gam1-tiu4/tiu5" rather than a mandarin "jīn-tiáo" which would be a strange linguistic evolution if it did somehow evolve from that. For pisaw, from mandarin "bǐ-shǒu", cantonese "bei6 sau2", hokkien "pí-siú", hakka "pí-sú", the closest one that makes sense would of course be cantonese "bei6 sau2" which is /pei̯²² sɐu̯³⁵/ in IPA. For sampan, 舢板 is pronounced "san-pán" in hokkien and "saan1 baan2" in cantonese or its variant form 三板 is "saam1-baan2" in cantonese and "sam-pán" in hokkien which is mentioned in min-nan wiktionary and mandarin wikipedia. For Tsaa, given how its pronounced in tagalog with the ts- and extra a, and also the historical old pre-18th century cantonese migrants and traders in the country with tea as such an old trade good, it would make more sense from cantonese "caa4" than mandarin "chá" nor hokkien "tê". Also if you took out yasuwi from the chinese list, why not take out yasuwi from the japanese list as per what i said in the talk page. - - Mlgc1998 ( talk) 02:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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— Stevey7788 ( talk) 17:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)Hi Stricnina, thank you for your constructive edits to the List of loanwords in Tagalog. I have just a minor issue: please do not mark your edits as minor, unless you make minimal edits as defined here. The definition of "minor" is certainly not rigid, but addition of content (valuable content, in your case) is not minor. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your attention to the various Battles of Manila articles. I agree that they are contradictory, and that the references to them are relatively minor mentions in difficult-to-find, out-of-print books. (But I have attempted to preserve the contradictions, since they are in the various texts.)
It took me a long time to find those references because I wanted to make sure all the theories for the possible founding date of Maynila and Tondo were covered, and because of my own inclusionist tendencies which I've described elsewhere. But I agree that they're mostly obscure, and the 1405 one does look downright implausible.
Despite having authored at least one of these articles, I don't think I'd object too much if they were deleted. If the data is put in a merged article and tagged for verification, I might even be able to unearth the articles. They're in photographed pages from books I found in libraries, so it might take some time. (Also, because of my writing style, in some cases people try to simplify the text I write and end up erasing my caveats, thus turning my recognition of legends and theories into seeming assertions of fact... I don't have the time to go through all of the history to check.)
Anyway. Let me generally express support for your cleanup efforts. I hope I'm better today at writing citations, years after writing these articles. I'll try not to leave as much of a referencing mess as I used to.
On an additional note, since I'm so unavailable nowadays (and splitting my attention between this and a totally different historical period), perhaps I can ask you to look into outdated claims of direct Indian presence in the archipelago? (And if they ever try again, of similar claims for the Chinese?) I try to keep up, but those who keep pushing a romanticized image of empires keep twisting the narrative to reflect their preferred worldview, and pushing outdated texts instead of present scholarship. - Alternativity ( talk) 16:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the request to assume good faith was more directed at the person accusing you of bullying than at you. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Some of my Battles of Manila articles are messed up, I felt hurt at first, that you are proposing the deletion of my works but it in retrospect I admit it's for the greater good. However there are some essential elements that should be retained like how in those particular years, Bruneian, Majapahit and Chinese records show that Manila was part of their empire or paid vassalage. Whether there was a battle to conquer Manila is vague with many authors like Scott and others saying conflicting things, I think we should just make new articles clarifying that it was an "incorporation" of Manila instead of a battle and then just state the view of so and so scholar who said that it's a battle or the opposing view that it was an incorporation through marriage alliance, vassalage, allegiance, tribute payment or whatever the case may be.
-- Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. ( talk) 12:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Stricnina ( talk), this is Xiang09 ( talk).
Contrary to what you have chosen as a "quote" in Aswang Project's article, where you claimed that Aswang Project stated that there is no Bulan deity in Bicolano mythology, please be noted that it was not the author of the article that stated that there was never a Bulan deity in Bicolano myths. It was a certain Erwin S. Cabarles, a mere Facebook user. Additionally, there is a Bulan deity mentioned in Bicolano myths. No less than said Facebook user also mentions this. The Facebook user claimed that Bulan was 'lifted' from a Visayan myth. Aswang Project rebutted the Facebook user in bold, stating that the Facebook user's claim is "highly speculative". Aswang Project notes,
This is highly speculative. I don’t buy that the Bicol Creation Myth was “lifted” from the Visayan. It is more likely that they share a similar creation myth that had not been documented previously.The above theory would be accurate if we were to believe that the Spanish and other documentation was 100% accurate and exhaustive – which we know is untrue. We would also need to believe that myth and folklore does not evolve and change – which we also know is untrue. We would also need to believe that there were no migrant workers or trade in the pre-colonial Philippines who shared stories – which we also know is untrue.
Greetings! I don't know if this already has caught your attention, but it will certainly be of interest for you: Commons:Deletion requests/File:3D Image of Tagalog component Languages.png. – Austronesier ( talk) 14:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I think this [1] might be of interest for you. If the admins decide to unblock, let AGF pervail and stay cool, but we should take extra care that standards are upheld. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate your vigorous efforts to revert the promiscuous additions of Anitism-related content to so many articles. I went through the oldest postings of HKong and did same. Most of that was insertion of images rather than large blocks of text. David notMD ( talk) 11:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hello Madame Stricnina I would like to propose that a new article about the "Kedatuan of Dapitan" be created or the old oone be restored with new content added, since the discussion about its' deletion show that there are multiple valid sources about it, not included in the original deleted article.
Discussion here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kedatuan_of_Dapitan
In addition I found out that there were ancient Chinese sources specifically mentioning the state of Dapitan here: http://tulay.ph/2018/02/06/sayao-and-dapitan/ and ironically they found out about the state of Dapitan they researched in Ming sources because of the Wikipedia article you guys deleted. In line with the discussions about the article and recent discoveries, I respectfully request that you guys either restore the Kedatuan of Dapitan article with the new references added in or create a new article including the newly supplied references. Thank you and God Bless.-- Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. ( talk) 13:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Stricnina, your input here will be highly appriciated, as always! – Austronesier ( talk) 13:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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For critically evaluating Wikipedia content, and diligently foiling the sockpuppets who add bad content. I couldn't have done anything about the latest round if it wasn't for your previous work. Crossroads -talk- 04:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC) |
Hi, Stricnina! I want to know, do Filipino people use East Asian style of personal seal in the past like East Asian people (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) do nowadays? I have read that from this article Seal_(East_Asia)#Filipino_usage, it seem out of topic from what supposedly that article want to discuss about it. Thanks! - Ibrahim Muizzuddin ( talk) 02:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I feel as if the said person deleted too much of the history section of the Philippines especially the Islamic era, even though I agree with him that the article is excessively detailed, I also feel that the said deleted portions were crucial and necessary, can you chime in on this? Thanks!
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Hello, I noticed you begun AfD's for a couple of "Battle of Manila"'s last year. I have been looking through other Battle of Manilas, and have particular concerns over Battle of Manila (1570), Battle of Manila (1574), and Battle of Manila (1896). In all of the sources of these article I can access, I cannot find a reference to a "Battle of Manila". (The 1574 article seems particularly bleak.) I also haven't found anything through some brief googling, aside from Wikipedia mirrors. I was wondering if you have insights into these, since you didn't nominate them with the others. Thanks, CMD ( talk) 15:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Stricnina: Hey, I saw you mension Potet before. I wondered if you have access to Baybayin, the Syllabic Alphabet of the Tagalogs? I was able to see a few snaps of the book and it seems good and helpful for the Wiki article, but I can't find a free source anywhere. Did you find any? Glennznl ( talk) 19:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Showing you this because you have extensive experience with this banned user:
Do you think this is them again? Crossroads -talk- 14:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Crossroads: I want to thank you again for dealing with it. I also want to thank you for doing this last time. I still remember that month and it made me actually give up because it was clear to me that I was dealing again with the same sockpuppet yet every time that I have to open an SPI I have to collect diffs again and again and I was already tired of collecting evidences at that point. I was actually entertaining the idea of just letting the person behind the sockpuppet to just do whatever they want. I was about to quit because it turned into a lonely and frustrating whack-a-mole game with the same sockpuppet master. I actually felt relieved when you made this post. So, thank you very much!
Now that it's done, is there a way to automatically merge the several deities created by that last sockpuppet account to its relevant pages? For example, merging Kabunian, Malaon and Makapatag, Bulan (religion) (why the religion as disambiguation? I don't even think Bulan is a "religion"), Mangetchay, Mebuyan, Walain Katolosan, Sidapa, Haliya (deity), Incantus, Oryol (religion), Gugurang, Lakapati, Siyak (Haik), Kadaw La Sambad and Bulon La Mogoaw, Malayari, Apûng Malyari, Dangga (Agitot), Matan-ayon, Magindara, Urang Kaya Hadjiyula, Sondayo etc. into Deities of Philippine Mythology? I don't think each and everyone of these deities deserve a Wikipedia page of their own as per WP:Notability, etc. Stricnina ( talk) 16:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Kumusta kaibigan, I hope you are keeping emotionally and physically well during covid. Good luck with your exams.
I came across you few weeks ago on articles related to loanwords in tagalog and Indianised polity related articles. Subsequently, I have not been able to devote time to edit those, but have bene coimpling the research material int he background.
Reason I came here is to invite you to please subscribe to Talk:Thitu_Island#Chinese/Taiwanese_POV_pushing article. I do not know any other piunoy editor kasi. I have just tried to clean up this article on pinoy spartly island full of China/Taiwanese POV pushing. Please invite few more filipino editors to watch the article and further enhance it, I have only done a quick clean up lang. These are the changes I made, there is ample scope for further improvements. Thanks. 58.182.176.169 ( talk) 19:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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