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I am wondering why you made Breitenbush Hot Springs (thermal mineral springs) when Breitenbush Hot Springs already exists. I'm also wondering about the use of the qualifier. Most geographic features use their GNIS name. We only use parenthetical qualifiers in order to disambiguate two articles with the same name. Valfontis ( talk) 04:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving article quality in December, and good wishes for a time of transition. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I came here to ask if you had noticed that the Wikipedia Christmas greetings seem to have disappeared this year? It's nice to see @ Gerda Arendt: keeping the faith above! Happy holidays. Possibly ( talk) 23:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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@ Possibly: Perfect card for this year! Thanks again, Netherzone ( talk) 00:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Magi (Jan Mostaert) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod ( talk) 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
Thank you Johnbod Netherzone ( talk) 16:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas Netherzone |
Hi Netherzone, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas |
Thank you! Netherzone ( talk) 21:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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If angels sung a Savior’s birth, On that auspicious morn, We well may imitate their mirth, Now He again is born! If stars in heav'n shone bright as day To light the manger throne, We should rejoice as well as they That love doth reign alone. All Glory be to God on high, And to the earth be peace; Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men Begin and never cease. - "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous |
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Thank you, didn't realise before that holiday wikilove was a thing! Hope the remainder of 2020 is going well for you. Arlo James Barnes 23:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC) |
@ Arlo Barnes: Yummy! Biscochitos are the best!!! I am sure missing New Mexico during these pandemic times. Netherzone ( talk) 23:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
— Maile ( talk) 00:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Maile66 Thank you for alerting me. It's exciting to see it on the main page! Hope you have a happy new year and that 2021 is not a repeat of 2020. With good cheer, Netherzone ( talk) 01:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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A wish for the new year |
A quote from Gargantua and Pantagruel by Rabelais; it is taken from the manuscript of Jules Massenet's opera Panurge, in the composer's own hand. It is my greeting of choice for the new year, because it encourages us to live joyfully, and try not to take life too seriously...while quaffing whatever beverage we choose, naturally. This has been a challenging year, to say the least; I hope that 2021 may bring a fresh start, and better days ahead. May the new year bring you joy and peace...and many days of fruitful editing. |
-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 22:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Netherzone,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable
New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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I tried to give 2021 a good start by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct. For moar private "happy new year" see here. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Gerda Arendt: What a beautiful memorial tribute and a great article on Kohl. That he was the world expert on Stockhausen and a superb Wikipedian is awesome! I will have to check out his articles; thank you for making me aware of him and his work. I really like what you said on his talk page, that you hope that the two of them are making joyous music together where ever they may be in the beyond. Netherzone ( talk) 15:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello @ Gerda Arendt: I have done my first review of a DYK, Mikiko (choreographer) an interesting Japanese woman who uses advanced technology in her performances. I hope I did it correctly, I used the DYK Review Template which provided a fairly easy guide to check on the appropriate criteria in the article. Exciting! Netherzone ( talk) 18:30, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, you recently tagged the Leadville, CO article. Please explain your problems with the article's photos on the talk page and I will take care of them. Thanks. Gandydancer ( talk) 05:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for your continued service adding to Wikipedia throughout 2020. - Cdjp1 ( talk) 17:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC) |
@ Cdjp1: Thank you, what a nice unexpected suprise. Hope you have a wonderful 2021. Netherzone ( talk) 18:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Great work! Bearian ( talk) 19:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC) |
Hey there @ Bearian: what a nice unexpected gift, that made my day. Thank you! Netherzone ( talk) 19:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello! This was a nice find. It seems to be public domain too. Possibly ( talk) 00:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello
Netherzone... You're always very polite and considerate in corresponding with others, so I'll assume good faith here. I didn't intend anything to be promotional in nature. I simply wanted to be as thorough as possible and, well, when I commit myself to something, I typically only have one gear. For better or worse, I'm also a perfectionist. Being new to Wikipedia, it hasn't always been without issue, but I continue to learn and my intentions have always been genuine. Rather than belittling my attempts (more or less), you should, perhaps, encourage folks like me - individuals who are willing to dedicate much time and energy (to editing), who are able to compose well in English (and French) and who could ultimately benefit the Wikipedia community.
Cheers,
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Netherzone... Thank you, kindly, for reaching out. I do appreciate the encouraging words - truly! Perhaps 'belittling' was too strong of a characterization. I just worked really hard to research all that information and to write as much as I did, but I do understand where I missed the boat. I really should have started MUCH smaller and incrementally developed upon what was submitted. I swung for the fences on my first try... LOL! Again, thank you for your kindness and guidance. It provides encouragement during these, assuredly, difficult times!
Cheers,
Ryan (
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Your encouragement, guidance and civility are genuinely appreciated! Ryancoke2020 ( talk) 02:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC) |
Thank you Ryancoke2020 and here's to the endless converations of so many languages on Earth! Netherzone ( talk) 03:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
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And for being a great collaborator. Possibly ( talk) 23:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC) |
Hi! Thanks for putting up that photo -- I wouldn't have known about that new book ("Isabella lake cultural resources") without it. I was trying to figure out who the people in the photo are; they're certainly related to people I know. (Their last name is probably either Chico or Apalatea.) --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 20:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Nice work on Scovern Hot Springs, California! Do I or someone else need to rename an article or otherwise clarify something? I was unclear from the discussion. Cheers and keep up the good work. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
On 7 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pueblo pottery, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pueblo pottery (example pictured) has been created by Pueblo people and their antecedents in the Southwestern United States and Northern Mexico for almost two thousand years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pueblo pottery. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Pueblo pottery), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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I notice your extensive work on this topic and don't want to duplicate effort. I can add an early history section -- quotes from 1860s legislature on intent, information from the marble works, on use of controversial word "rebel," etc with citations -- which may take awhile. I have much of the information already. Just don't want to add it only to find the work was unnecessary or duplicative. Thanks VT440genoa ( talk) 22:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Good suggestion. I sent notes to others, so will see what they have to say as well. Will be back to you. Thanks VT440genoa ( talk) 23:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone, thanks again for your suggestions. I am waiting for another email response, but at the moment I have a split decision: your recommendation to post a draft on the article talk page with another editor suggesting just put it out there. At the moment, I am looking at content and citations/source material, with the ever present concern of remaining neutral on this sensitive topic. I plan to avoid recent events, for now, but can add much on the history based on online sources, recent books, articles, etc. Proposed history subheads, as I see them now, might be: Legislative intent 1866-1867, memorial to New Mexico's Civil War Union dead —- Initial construction 1867 —- October 1867 Laying cornerstone, time capsule -— Controversy 1/Legislative intent II 1867-1868, expands to include Indian Wars dead soldiers -– Completing construction to June 1868 -- Meaning and symbol during 19th century: Union veterans' touchstone -— Annual Memorial Day ceremonies to 1930s -— Controversy 2: Remove word “Rebel” on monument or remove entire monument, an insult to the South, 1880–1930 -— Meaning and symbol early twentieth century: Historic relic -— Controversy 3, early removal proposals 1930s-1960s: a festive gazebo instead? -— Historic preservation efforts mid-twentieth century -- Controversy 4 1970s-2020, indigenous people's symbol of repression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VT440genoa ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone, Well, OK. I just copied the draft subheads to another editor's talk page, with the usual last minute tweaking (making it different than the above). So, I'll go over to the monument talk page and tweak it there, too. Best wishes and, again, let me know if you have suggestions. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by VT440genoa ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I was shocked by what you had to endure from User:142.162.218.244, and you have my sympathy. I recently faced a similar issue with another editor, but nothing approaching what you had to deal with. Thank you for doing the right thing, revert, warn and report. Rklahn ( talk) 00:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone - "Santa Fe Plaza" -- please see my comments under my talk page for VT440genoa. I can copy them here if that would be easier. My talk page discussion with KidAd, again, gives each of our points of view. I think the new additions helps the reader understand the physical evolution of this nationally significant public space. VT440genoa ( talk) 22:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
netherzone - Thanks, as always, for your level-headed comments. What are the steps for arbitration? I may have to finally disagree with KiddAd re the manner of his comments, citing guidelines rather than giving helpful or substantial assistance on topic content, details, or value. I will send him another note, and follow your suggestions to offer on the talk page the new material so he can offer his suggestions there. By the way, I have a Ph.D. in history. So, that is my focus when editing or adding new material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VT440genoa ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone, thanks again for your comments and suggestions. I'll follow your suggestion and put material up on the Santa Fe Plaza talk page. And thanks for the links to the Teahouse and Helpdesk. kidAd, I have found too many of your comments not within the WP guidelines for civility. VT440genoa ( talk) 23:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
other editors may seem oversensitive when their views are challenged. You cannot improve without internalizing constructive criticism. KidAd talk 23:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I am sorry for my mistake with the article New Mexican Spanish. I over-hyphenated. -- Joesom333 ( talk) 18:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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For helping out a newbie. Even though I was crabby. OnlyRegisteredUsersMatter ( talk) 02:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC) |
@ OnlyRegisteredUsersMatter: hey thanks! Glad to be of help and happy editing! Netherzone ( talk) 03:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Just a heads up that they will not run checkuser at SPI (for User:Basajaun67) without diffs or other evidence. (Update: CU does not matter for this one, as it turns out it is globally blocked!) --- Possibly ( talk) 19:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
50 years ago today, Scovern House burned to the ground. It had been officially uninhabited for many years. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 20:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
On 12 March 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Wilhelmina Holladay, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. TJMSmith ( talk) 20:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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For your extensive and much-appreciated work on April Palmieri's article! Beccaynr ( talk) 22:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC) |
@ Beccaynr: thank you for the stardust! And thank you for improving the article as well, I'm glad you fixed the lead and found all those citations. I have a feeling, with the recent re-release of the band's material and recognition she is getting for her photos, we will be hearing more about her in the future. It feels good to save an article on a spirited and talented woman like her. Ever onward! Netherzone ( talk) 23:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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... for improving articles in March! On Bach's birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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The purpose of the wikilink to the redirect in that section (and the existence of the redirect at all) is to indicate Baillie's significance (her WP:ONEVENT role in the Ross/Brand controversy). Without the wikilink, there would be little point in naming the vocalist of the Poussez Posse - few people respond to the name "Georgina Baillie" but say to them "Oh you remember, Andrew Sachs's granddaughter from that whole fuss with Johnathan Ross and Russell Brand in 2008," then a refrigerator light pops on in most peoples' heads. Switching that mental lightbulb on is the communicative purpose of placing that wikilink. Romomusicfan ( talk) 09:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I think you are making this overly complicated, and are not hearing me. What I am saying: Georgina Baillie's name should not be linked in the Women in punk rock article unless the wikilink points to her work as a musican. It does not, therefore I removed the link. There is nothing wrong with having her name unlinked. The article is already too overlinked as it is. Netherzone ( talk) 17:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Scott MacDonald - you originally created the Georgina Baillie redirect in October 2008. Penny for your thoughts re the above points? ^^^ Romomusicfan ( talk) 17:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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Well reasoned AFD !votes, great content work! Eddie891 Talk Work 23:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC) |
Thank you @ Eddie891:, I really appreciate it. I was in a bit of a funk today and your message improved my mood a lot! Netherzone ( talk) 00:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Ray Abeyta, Hold Fast (2004), oil painting on canvas.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Dylsss( talk contribs) 21:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Ref: California genocide "did not appear constructive"
Hi Netherzone! The original text was:
"Spanish and Mexican rule were devastating for native populations. “As the missions grew, California’s native population of Indians began a catastrophic decline.”[10] Gregory Orfalea estimates that pre-contact population was reduced by 33% during the Spanish and Mexican regimes. Most of the deaths stemmed from imported diseases and the disruption of traditional ways of life, but violence was common, and some historians have charged that life in the missions was close to slavery.[11]"
My modification was:
"Even with their imperfections, the Laws of the Spanish Crown protected the native population [10]. Once the territory became part of independent Mexico their rights were stripped and Spanish missionaries were forced to leave the new country. The missions were dismembered and their land distributed under the Mexican Secularization Act of 1833. Later, when the territories were incorporated to The United States under the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, the indigenous population was considered a nuisance by both countries and The United States pursued a policy of physical elimination."
Your removal is based on "did not appear constructive". In my humble opinion the previous text "did not appear constructive".
The impression given is that all white people were a danger for the natives when it is not true.
My arguments are the following:
"Spanish and Mexican rule were devastating for native populations" is not accurate, at least for the Spanish period.
Missions were stablished to convert natives to Christianity and assimilate them under the Spanish Empire standards (language, religion, laws, trade, currency, military projection...). Those under the mission jurisdiction were complied to some "forced labour". Spanish laws protected indians against abuses, albeith this protection was not always enforced. "Some historians have charged that life in the missions was close to slavery" is biased as you may also write that "some historians praised the presidio-missions assimilation system".
The was some enforced labour for few days each year, impossible to assimilate to slavery. Natives had civil rights a slave would never imagine.
My point is -. Under the Spanish Empire natives had a protection from the State and were entitled some rights, even if some cases enforcement was difficult (I quoted the text of the Indian Laws enacted by the Spanish Crown) -. Under Mexican independence the missions system was disbanded offering no viable protection to the natives as Law enforcement did before. -. Under the US jurisdiction the State of California passed laws directed to the native population extermination as it is stated in the next paragraphs of the same Wikipedia article. Bounties were paid to those who showed up with "redskin" scalps.
In consequence:
I ask you to reconsider your removal and publish back my version.
Yours,
Carlos Enrile D'Outreligne — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.126.244 (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hi again Netherthone:
1. On the term "redskin". I am Spanish from Spain and I have never heard it before and obviously I didn't know it was offensive.
I found it as a quoted term here, https://revcom.us/a/v21/1030-039/1039/gold1.htm ″In his January 1851 message to the California legislature, California Governor Peter H. Burnett promised "a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian race becomes extinct." Newspapers cheered on the campaign. In 1853 the Yreka Herald called on the government to provide aid to "enable the citizens of the north to carry on a war of extermination until the last redskin of these tribes has been killed. Extermination is no longer a question of time--the time has arrived, the work has commenced and let the first man who says treaty or peace be regarded as a traitor." Other newspapers voiced similar sentiments.″
2. History is not about opinion, but about facts.
On the section I deleted, disrupting NPOV, I suppose can be amended adding other NPOV with a different approach, based in scientific sources. I ask for your advice before doing so. "Your edit replaced that sourced content with primary material based on a 1893 text about a 1542 law about the "West Indies" in general, not on California specifically.": Every historian on the Spanish Empire knows that this Law was enacted for all the territory, from Cape Horn to what is present day Oregon. The 1893 translation to English is the only one I found to enlighten English language speakers. 83.60.126.244 (talk) 22:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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... for improving articles in April! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
more memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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I am wondering why you made Breitenbush Hot Springs (thermal mineral springs) when Breitenbush Hot Springs already exists. I'm also wondering about the use of the qualifier. Most geographic features use their GNIS name. We only use parenthetical qualifiers in order to disambiguate two articles with the same name. Valfontis ( talk) 04:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving article quality in December, and good wishes for a time of transition. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I came here to ask if you had noticed that the Wikipedia Christmas greetings seem to have disappeared this year? It's nice to see @ Gerda Arendt: keeping the faith above! Happy holidays. Possibly ( talk) 23:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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@ Possibly: Perfect card for this year! Thanks again, Netherzone ( talk) 00:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Magi (Jan Mostaert) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod ( talk) 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
Thank you Johnbod Netherzone ( talk) 16:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas Netherzone |
Hi Netherzone, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas |
Thank you! Netherzone ( talk) 21:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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If angels sung a Savior’s birth, On that auspicious morn, We well may imitate their mirth, Now He again is born! If stars in heav'n shone bright as day To light the manger throne, We should rejoice as well as they That love doth reign alone. All Glory be to God on high, And to the earth be peace; Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men Begin and never cease. - "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous |
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Thank you, didn't realise before that holiday wikilove was a thing! Hope the remainder of 2020 is going well for you. Arlo James Barnes 23:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC) |
@ Arlo Barnes: Yummy! Biscochitos are the best!!! I am sure missing New Mexico during these pandemic times. Netherzone ( talk) 23:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
— Maile ( talk) 00:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Maile66 Thank you for alerting me. It's exciting to see it on the main page! Hope you have a happy new year and that 2021 is not a repeat of 2020. With good cheer, Netherzone ( talk) 01:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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Happy New Year! |
Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary
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A wish for the new year |
A quote from Gargantua and Pantagruel by Rabelais; it is taken from the manuscript of Jules Massenet's opera Panurge, in the composer's own hand. It is my greeting of choice for the new year, because it encourages us to live joyfully, and try not to take life too seriously...while quaffing whatever beverage we choose, naturally. This has been a challenging year, to say the least; I hope that 2021 may bring a fresh start, and better days ahead. May the new year bring you joy and peace...and many days of fruitful editing. |
-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 22:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Netherzone,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable
New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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I tried to give 2021 a good start by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct. For moar private "happy new year" see here. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Gerda Arendt: What a beautiful memorial tribute and a great article on Kohl. That he was the world expert on Stockhausen and a superb Wikipedian is awesome! I will have to check out his articles; thank you for making me aware of him and his work. I really like what you said on his talk page, that you hope that the two of them are making joyous music together where ever they may be in the beyond. Netherzone ( talk) 15:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello @ Gerda Arendt: I have done my first review of a DYK, Mikiko (choreographer) an interesting Japanese woman who uses advanced technology in her performances. I hope I did it correctly, I used the DYK Review Template which provided a fairly easy guide to check on the appropriate criteria in the article. Exciting! Netherzone ( talk) 18:30, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, you recently tagged the Leadville, CO article. Please explain your problems with the article's photos on the talk page and I will take care of them. Thanks. Gandydancer ( talk) 05:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for your continued service adding to Wikipedia throughout 2020. - Cdjp1 ( talk) 17:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC) |
@ Cdjp1: Thank you, what a nice unexpected suprise. Hope you have a wonderful 2021. Netherzone ( talk) 18:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Great work! Bearian ( talk) 19:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC) |
Hey there @ Bearian: what a nice unexpected gift, that made my day. Thank you! Netherzone ( talk) 19:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello! This was a nice find. It seems to be public domain too. Possibly ( talk) 00:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello
Netherzone... You're always very polite and considerate in corresponding with others, so I'll assume good faith here. I didn't intend anything to be promotional in nature. I simply wanted to be as thorough as possible and, well, when I commit myself to something, I typically only have one gear. For better or worse, I'm also a perfectionist. Being new to Wikipedia, it hasn't always been without issue, but I continue to learn and my intentions have always been genuine. Rather than belittling my attempts (more or less), you should, perhaps, encourage folks like me - individuals who are willing to dedicate much time and energy (to editing), who are able to compose well in English (and French) and who could ultimately benefit the Wikipedia community.
Cheers,
Ryan (
Ryancoke2020 (
talk)
02:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC))
Netherzone... Thank you, kindly, for reaching out. I do appreciate the encouraging words - truly! Perhaps 'belittling' was too strong of a characterization. I just worked really hard to research all that information and to write as much as I did, but I do understand where I missed the boat. I really should have started MUCH smaller and incrementally developed upon what was submitted. I swung for the fences on my first try... LOL! Again, thank you for your kindness and guidance. It provides encouragement during these, assuredly, difficult times!
Cheers,
Ryan (
Ryancoke2020 (
talk)
02:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC))
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Your encouragement, guidance and civility are genuinely appreciated! Ryancoke2020 ( talk) 02:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC) |
Thank you Ryancoke2020 and here's to the endless converations of so many languages on Earth! Netherzone ( talk) 03:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
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And for being a great collaborator. Possibly ( talk) 23:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC) |
Hi! Thanks for putting up that photo -- I wouldn't have known about that new book ("Isabella lake cultural resources") without it. I was trying to figure out who the people in the photo are; they're certainly related to people I know. (Their last name is probably either Chico or Apalatea.) --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 20:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Nice work on Scovern Hot Springs, California! Do I or someone else need to rename an article or otherwise clarify something? I was unclear from the discussion. Cheers and keep up the good work. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
On 7 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pueblo pottery, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pueblo pottery (example pictured) has been created by Pueblo people and their antecedents in the Southwestern United States and Northern Mexico for almost two thousand years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pueblo pottery. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Pueblo pottery), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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I notice your extensive work on this topic and don't want to duplicate effort. I can add an early history section -- quotes from 1860s legislature on intent, information from the marble works, on use of controversial word "rebel," etc with citations -- which may take awhile. I have much of the information already. Just don't want to add it only to find the work was unnecessary or duplicative. Thanks VT440genoa ( talk) 22:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Good suggestion. I sent notes to others, so will see what they have to say as well. Will be back to you. Thanks VT440genoa ( talk) 23:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone, thanks again for your suggestions. I am waiting for another email response, but at the moment I have a split decision: your recommendation to post a draft on the article talk page with another editor suggesting just put it out there. At the moment, I am looking at content and citations/source material, with the ever present concern of remaining neutral on this sensitive topic. I plan to avoid recent events, for now, but can add much on the history based on online sources, recent books, articles, etc. Proposed history subheads, as I see them now, might be: Legislative intent 1866-1867, memorial to New Mexico's Civil War Union dead —- Initial construction 1867 —- October 1867 Laying cornerstone, time capsule -— Controversy 1/Legislative intent II 1867-1868, expands to include Indian Wars dead soldiers -– Completing construction to June 1868 -- Meaning and symbol during 19th century: Union veterans' touchstone -— Annual Memorial Day ceremonies to 1930s -— Controversy 2: Remove word “Rebel” on monument or remove entire monument, an insult to the South, 1880–1930 -— Meaning and symbol early twentieth century: Historic relic -— Controversy 3, early removal proposals 1930s-1960s: a festive gazebo instead? -— Historic preservation efforts mid-twentieth century -- Controversy 4 1970s-2020, indigenous people's symbol of repression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VT440genoa ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone, Well, OK. I just copied the draft subheads to another editor's talk page, with the usual last minute tweaking (making it different than the above). So, I'll go over to the monument talk page and tweak it there, too. Best wishes and, again, let me know if you have suggestions. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by VT440genoa ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I was shocked by what you had to endure from User:142.162.218.244, and you have my sympathy. I recently faced a similar issue with another editor, but nothing approaching what you had to deal with. Thank you for doing the right thing, revert, warn and report. Rklahn ( talk) 00:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone - "Santa Fe Plaza" -- please see my comments under my talk page for VT440genoa. I can copy them here if that would be easier. My talk page discussion with KidAd, again, gives each of our points of view. I think the new additions helps the reader understand the physical evolution of this nationally significant public space. VT440genoa ( talk) 22:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
netherzone - Thanks, as always, for your level-headed comments. What are the steps for arbitration? I may have to finally disagree with KiddAd re the manner of his comments, citing guidelines rather than giving helpful or substantial assistance on topic content, details, or value. I will send him another note, and follow your suggestions to offer on the talk page the new material so he can offer his suggestions there. By the way, I have a Ph.D. in history. So, that is my focus when editing or adding new material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VT440genoa ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Netherzone, thanks again for your comments and suggestions. I'll follow your suggestion and put material up on the Santa Fe Plaza talk page. And thanks for the links to the Teahouse and Helpdesk. kidAd, I have found too many of your comments not within the WP guidelines for civility. VT440genoa ( talk) 23:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
other editors may seem oversensitive when their views are challenged. You cannot improve without internalizing constructive criticism. KidAd talk 23:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I am sorry for my mistake with the article New Mexican Spanish. I over-hyphenated. -- Joesom333 ( talk) 18:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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For helping out a newbie. Even though I was crabby. OnlyRegisteredUsersMatter ( talk) 02:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC) |
@ OnlyRegisteredUsersMatter: hey thanks! Glad to be of help and happy editing! Netherzone ( talk) 03:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Just a heads up that they will not run checkuser at SPI (for User:Basajaun67) without diffs or other evidence. (Update: CU does not matter for this one, as it turns out it is globally blocked!) --- Possibly ( talk) 19:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
50 years ago today, Scovern House burned to the ground. It had been officially uninhabited for many years. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 20:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
On 12 March 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Wilhelmina Holladay, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. TJMSmith ( talk) 20:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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For your extensive and much-appreciated work on April Palmieri's article! Beccaynr ( talk) 22:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC) |
@ Beccaynr: thank you for the stardust! And thank you for improving the article as well, I'm glad you fixed the lead and found all those citations. I have a feeling, with the recent re-release of the band's material and recognition she is getting for her photos, we will be hearing more about her in the future. It feels good to save an article on a spirited and talented woman like her. Ever onward! Netherzone ( talk) 23:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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... for improving articles in March! On Bach's birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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The purpose of the wikilink to the redirect in that section (and the existence of the redirect at all) is to indicate Baillie's significance (her WP:ONEVENT role in the Ross/Brand controversy). Without the wikilink, there would be little point in naming the vocalist of the Poussez Posse - few people respond to the name "Georgina Baillie" but say to them "Oh you remember, Andrew Sachs's granddaughter from that whole fuss with Johnathan Ross and Russell Brand in 2008," then a refrigerator light pops on in most peoples' heads. Switching that mental lightbulb on is the communicative purpose of placing that wikilink. Romomusicfan ( talk) 09:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I think you are making this overly complicated, and are not hearing me. What I am saying: Georgina Baillie's name should not be linked in the Women in punk rock article unless the wikilink points to her work as a musican. It does not, therefore I removed the link. There is nothing wrong with having her name unlinked. The article is already too overlinked as it is. Netherzone ( talk) 17:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Scott MacDonald - you originally created the Georgina Baillie redirect in October 2008. Penny for your thoughts re the above points? ^^^ Romomusicfan ( talk) 17:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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Well reasoned AFD !votes, great content work! Eddie891 Talk Work 23:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC) |
Thank you @ Eddie891:, I really appreciate it. I was in a bit of a funk today and your message improved my mood a lot! Netherzone ( talk) 00:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Ray Abeyta, Hold Fast (2004), oil painting on canvas.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Dylsss( talk contribs) 21:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Ref: California genocide "did not appear constructive"
Hi Netherzone! The original text was:
"Spanish and Mexican rule were devastating for native populations. “As the missions grew, California’s native population of Indians began a catastrophic decline.”[10] Gregory Orfalea estimates that pre-contact population was reduced by 33% during the Spanish and Mexican regimes. Most of the deaths stemmed from imported diseases and the disruption of traditional ways of life, but violence was common, and some historians have charged that life in the missions was close to slavery.[11]"
My modification was:
"Even with their imperfections, the Laws of the Spanish Crown protected the native population [10]. Once the territory became part of independent Mexico their rights were stripped and Spanish missionaries were forced to leave the new country. The missions were dismembered and their land distributed under the Mexican Secularization Act of 1833. Later, when the territories were incorporated to The United States under the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, the indigenous population was considered a nuisance by both countries and The United States pursued a policy of physical elimination."
Your removal is based on "did not appear constructive". In my humble opinion the previous text "did not appear constructive".
The impression given is that all white people were a danger for the natives when it is not true.
My arguments are the following:
"Spanish and Mexican rule were devastating for native populations" is not accurate, at least for the Spanish period.
Missions were stablished to convert natives to Christianity and assimilate them under the Spanish Empire standards (language, religion, laws, trade, currency, military projection...). Those under the mission jurisdiction were complied to some "forced labour". Spanish laws protected indians against abuses, albeith this protection was not always enforced. "Some historians have charged that life in the missions was close to slavery" is biased as you may also write that "some historians praised the presidio-missions assimilation system".
The was some enforced labour for few days each year, impossible to assimilate to slavery. Natives had civil rights a slave would never imagine.
My point is -. Under the Spanish Empire natives had a protection from the State and were entitled some rights, even if some cases enforcement was difficult (I quoted the text of the Indian Laws enacted by the Spanish Crown) -. Under Mexican independence the missions system was disbanded offering no viable protection to the natives as Law enforcement did before. -. Under the US jurisdiction the State of California passed laws directed to the native population extermination as it is stated in the next paragraphs of the same Wikipedia article. Bounties were paid to those who showed up with "redskin" scalps.
In consequence:
I ask you to reconsider your removal and publish back my version.
Yours,
Carlos Enrile D'Outreligne — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.126.244 (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hi again Netherthone:
1. On the term "redskin". I am Spanish from Spain and I have never heard it before and obviously I didn't know it was offensive.
I found it as a quoted term here, https://revcom.us/a/v21/1030-039/1039/gold1.htm ″In his January 1851 message to the California legislature, California Governor Peter H. Burnett promised "a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian race becomes extinct." Newspapers cheered on the campaign. In 1853 the Yreka Herald called on the government to provide aid to "enable the citizens of the north to carry on a war of extermination until the last redskin of these tribes has been killed. Extermination is no longer a question of time--the time has arrived, the work has commenced and let the first man who says treaty or peace be regarded as a traitor." Other newspapers voiced similar sentiments.″
2. History is not about opinion, but about facts.
On the section I deleted, disrupting NPOV, I suppose can be amended adding other NPOV with a different approach, based in scientific sources. I ask for your advice before doing so. "Your edit replaced that sourced content with primary material based on a 1893 text about a 1542 law about the "West Indies" in general, not on California specifically.": Every historian on the Spanish Empire knows that this Law was enacted for all the territory, from Cape Horn to what is present day Oregon. The 1893 translation to English is the only one I found to enlighten English language speakers. 83.60.126.244 (talk) 22:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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... for improving articles in April! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
more memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)