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Welcome to my talk page. I'm working on cleaning up, improving, and adding citations to plant pages with a focus on western North America. MtBotany ( talk) 23:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
I am happy to take requests to work on pages about vascular plants native to the states of Colorado, New Mexico, or Wyoming. Leave a message here and I’ll add it to my to do box. Given enough time and I’ll get to all of them, but I do not work on this with a logical method but based on what catches my interest. It takes me about two weeks to get an article up to what I consider adequate quality. If you want to see what I'm working on look at my sandbox. MtBotany ( talk) 17:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi MtBotany. You can attribute public domain works by using the {{Source-attribution}} template. I have done this for you for the Campanula petiolata draft. Best, CandyScythe ( talk) 16:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
30. Support After reviewing this editor's last 250 edits they appear level headed, friendly, and sensible. Though as usual I’m shocked, shocked by a lack of interest in botany. Despite this serious oversight I'll support this candidacy. ;) MtBotany
Hey there. I wasn't really supposed to say anything during the RFA, but now that it's over I just want to say that I really liked your witty support. Thanks for the good vibes :) – Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello all. I am taking a week off because I sprained my wrist. I will be back to edit again though not until my wrist feels much better. MtBotany ( talk) 02:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for creating Delphinium geyeri! ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 02:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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On 15 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Delphinium geyeri, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that though poisonweed, Delphinium geyeri, is highly toxic, it is less poisonous after it starts flowering? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Delphinium geyeri. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Delphinium geyeri), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for creating Blue mist penstemon! Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 22:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC) |
Hello MtBotany! Some of your edits I've seen have been fantastic, and Delphinium geyeri is an excellent article. My primary sphere that I edit in is botany, specifically the St. John's Worts. I just wanted to reach out and offer that if you ever want to work together to try to bring an article to GA status I would love to collaborate! I've gotten a few less information-intensive Hypericum articles through GAN, and have an eye to tackle Hypericum perforatum or Hypericum next. If you'd like to help that would be great, or if you have an article in mind I'd love to lend a hand! Just let me know, Fritzmann ( message me) 19:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I wasn't the one that added the ref you removed there but it was clear that it was referring to the book cited under #References, just like almost all other refs in that page. The page is using the WP:SRF style but without the templates, it would be fairly quick to add them though. Have a nice day, Ihaveacatonmydesk ( talk) 21:54, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I just passed 1000 mainspace edits. Making a note of this for myself. Currently have 15 mainspace pages that I have started. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 03:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Hallo! I'm taking a pause to look at some plants in the real world, my probable last edit for few weeks will be 28 August 2023. I plan-t on being back unless I get eaten by rare African strangler vine. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 04:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Making a general announcement that I am back to being more active and will respond more quickly when I am pinged. Also back to working on cleaning up, improving, and adding citations to plant pages with a focus on western North America. This is a good place to ask me to work on a plant entry for a species native to the Southern Rocky Mountains or propose a collaboration. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 17:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you! for your efforts in improving flora articles. Eucalyptusmint ( talk) 00:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC) |
I made my 2000th edit to Vanilla_odorata today. Getting it into shape for a possible DYK submission. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 18:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, I also add red links only to things that I think are likely to be notable. What I think of as the 'best practice' these days is to use the Template:Interlanguage link to link to relevant articles on other Wikipedias. If something has an article on, let's say, German wiki but not English, the odds are very good it is notable and just awaits the translation. And red links are important reminders to folks that Wikipedia still needs work, and encourages people to create those articles. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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Would that every RfA were about plantipedia! Thanks for a good commitment to the bit :) theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 19:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
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For your good humor. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 21:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC) |
As luck would have it, I live in ER5H - CENTRAL SIERRA LOWER MONTANE FORESTS, spend quite a lot of time walking around outside, and have a DSLR with some decent lenses. All I lack is an obsessive knowledge of the plants that surround me (I can identify the cedar incense, the ponderosa pine, the black oak, the manzanita and the Pacific madrone but that is about it). If you are willing to indulge a deluge of noob-tier plant identification requests, I am happy to learn and to go roaming with my full outfit. jp× g 🗯️ 11:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
On 10 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vanilla odorata, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that euglossine bees distribute the seeds of vanilla tlatepusco? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vanilla odorata. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Vanilla odorata), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 00:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
On 11 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pedicularis groenlandica, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that little pink elephants are parasitic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pedicularis groenlandica. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Pedicularis groenlandica), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Aoidh ( talk) 00:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for your excellent DYK on Pedicularis groenlandica. Made me chuckle! W. Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ c) 16:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
On 14 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wyethia amplexicaulis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the scenic fields of northern wyethia (pictured) found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has been overgrazed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wyethia amplexicaulis. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Wyethia amplexicaulis), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
♠ PMC♠ (talk) 00:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, your requested page move for Mahonia nervosa → Berberis nervosa has been completed. I think that leftover redirects have been cleaned up, but please check them out as you offered in the request. Thanks. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 19:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
A good moment to take stock of what I have done.
Today I passed 3000 total edits to the English version of Wikipedia. I have over 4234 edits across all the Wiki projects, most of the others (over 1000) to Wikimedia Commons. I'm fairly happy with my editing over the last year. Over 60% mainspace edits so I'm staying focused on building an Encyclopedia and not getting bogged down in the minutia of "How should thus and such be properly classified?" Yes, some of the stuff in Wikipedia is useless/pointless, but that's the nature of human endeavor.
If I broke down my edits into smaller bites I could have a much higher number of edits, but that's not my goal. I like my edits to be as good and as useful as possible. To me that means reaching my own limits rather than doing one one tiny thing. A shovelful of knowledge rather than just one grain of sand, at least where that is possible. Keep going everyone! 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 21:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
On 20 December 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Castilleja integra, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that orange paintbrushes are guarded by rufous hummingbirds? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Castilleja integra. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Castilleja integra), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Welcome to my talk page. I'm working on cleaning up, improving, and adding citations to plant pages with a focus on western North America. MtBotany ( talk) 23:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
I am happy to take requests to work on pages about vascular plants native to the states of Colorado, New Mexico, or Wyoming. Leave a message here and I’ll add it to my to do box. Given enough time and I’ll get to all of them, but I do not work on this with a logical method but based on what catches my interest. It takes me about two weeks to get an article up to what I consider adequate quality. If you want to see what I'm working on look at my sandbox. MtBotany ( talk) 17:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi MtBotany. You can attribute public domain works by using the {{Source-attribution}} template. I have done this for you for the Campanula petiolata draft. Best, CandyScythe ( talk) 16:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
30. Support After reviewing this editor's last 250 edits they appear level headed, friendly, and sensible. Though as usual I’m shocked, shocked by a lack of interest in botany. Despite this serious oversight I'll support this candidacy. ;) MtBotany
Hey there. I wasn't really supposed to say anything during the RFA, but now that it's over I just want to say that I really liked your witty support. Thanks for the good vibes :) – Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello all. I am taking a week off because I sprained my wrist. I will be back to edit again though not until my wrist feels much better. MtBotany ( talk) 02:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, MtBotany. Thank you for your work on Delphinium geyeri. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, I had the following comments:
Hello! I want to inform you that I have checked your article and mark it as reviewed. Have a good day and thanks for creating the article!
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Thank you for creating Delphinium geyeri! ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 02:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
Hello, MtBotany. Thank you for your work on Campanula petiolata. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, I had the following comments:
Hello! Hopefully you have a nice day today. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by creating an article. As your article have adhered to the policies of Wikipedia, I have marked it as reviewed. Have a good day for you and your family!
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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 11:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
On 15 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Delphinium geyeri, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that though poisonweed, Delphinium geyeri, is highly toxic, it is less poisonous after it starts flowering? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Delphinium geyeri. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Delphinium geyeri), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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A happy frog for you! |
Thanks for creating Blue mist penstemon! Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 22:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC) |
Hello MtBotany! Some of your edits I've seen have been fantastic, and Delphinium geyeri is an excellent article. My primary sphere that I edit in is botany, specifically the St. John's Worts. I just wanted to reach out and offer that if you ever want to work together to try to bring an article to GA status I would love to collaborate! I've gotten a few less information-intensive Hypericum articles through GAN, and have an eye to tackle Hypericum perforatum or Hypericum next. If you'd like to help that would be great, or if you have an article in mind I'd love to lend a hand! Just let me know, Fritzmann ( message me) 19:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I wasn't the one that added the ref you removed there but it was clear that it was referring to the book cited under #References, just like almost all other refs in that page. The page is using the WP:SRF style but without the templates, it would be fairly quick to add them though. Have a nice day, Ihaveacatonmydesk ( talk) 21:54, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I just passed 1000 mainspace edits. Making a note of this for myself. Currently have 15 mainspace pages that I have started. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 03:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Hallo! I'm taking a pause to look at some plants in the real world, my probable last edit for few weeks will be 28 August 2023. I plan-t on being back unless I get eaten by rare African strangler vine. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 04:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Making a general announcement that I am back to being more active and will respond more quickly when I am pinged. Also back to working on cleaning up, improving, and adding citations to plant pages with a focus on western North America. This is a good place to ask me to work on a plant entry for a species native to the Southern Rocky Mountains or propose a collaboration. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 17:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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The Plantae Barnstar | |
Thank you! for your efforts in improving flora articles. Eucalyptusmint ( talk) 00:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC) |
I made my 2000th edit to Vanilla_odorata today. Getting it into shape for a possible DYK submission. 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 18:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, I also add red links only to things that I think are likely to be notable. What I think of as the 'best practice' these days is to use the Template:Interlanguage link to link to relevant articles on other Wikipedias. If something has an article on, let's say, German wiki but not English, the odds are very good it is notable and just awaits the translation. And red links are important reminders to folks that Wikipedia still needs work, and encourages people to create those articles. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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Would that every RfA were about plantipedia! Thanks for a good commitment to the bit :) theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 19:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
![]() |
The Barnstar of Good Humor |
For your good humor. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 21:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC) |
As luck would have it, I live in ER5H - CENTRAL SIERRA LOWER MONTANE FORESTS, spend quite a lot of time walking around outside, and have a DSLR with some decent lenses. All I lack is an obsessive knowledge of the plants that surround me (I can identify the cedar incense, the ponderosa pine, the black oak, the manzanita and the Pacific madrone but that is about it). If you are willing to indulge a deluge of noob-tier plant identification requests, I am happy to learn and to go roaming with my full outfit. jp× g 🗯️ 11:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
On 10 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vanilla odorata, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that euglossine bees distribute the seeds of vanilla tlatepusco? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vanilla odorata. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Vanilla odorata), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 00:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
On 11 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pedicularis groenlandica, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that little pink elephants are parasitic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pedicularis groenlandica. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Pedicularis groenlandica), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Aoidh ( talk) 00:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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The Plantae Barnstar | |
Thank you for your excellent DYK on Pedicularis groenlandica. Made me chuckle! W. Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ c) 16:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
On 14 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wyethia amplexicaulis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the scenic fields of northern wyethia (pictured) found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has been overgrazed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wyethia amplexicaulis. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Wyethia amplexicaulis), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
♠ PMC♠ (talk) 00:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, your requested page move for Mahonia nervosa → Berberis nervosa has been completed. I think that leftover redirects have been cleaned up, but please check them out as you offered in the request. Thanks. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 19:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
A good moment to take stock of what I have done.
Today I passed 3000 total edits to the English version of Wikipedia. I have over 4234 edits across all the Wiki projects, most of the others (over 1000) to Wikimedia Commons. I'm fairly happy with my editing over the last year. Over 60% mainspace edits so I'm staying focused on building an Encyclopedia and not getting bogged down in the minutia of "How should thus and such be properly classified?" Yes, some of the stuff in Wikipedia is useless/pointless, but that's the nature of human endeavor.
If I broke down my edits into smaller bites I could have a much higher number of edits, but that's not my goal. I like my edits to be as good and as useful as possible. To me that means reaching my own limits rather than doing one one tiny thing. A shovelful of knowledge rather than just one grain of sand, at least where that is possible. Keep going everyone! 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 21:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
On 20 December 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Castilleja integra, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that orange paintbrushes are guarded by rufous hummingbirds? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Castilleja integra. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Castilleja integra), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user
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