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Your name was mentioned in relation to PumpkinSky ("... someone whose conversant in the copyvio area should be added to his list of mentors, someone like Moonridden girl."). I would appreciate highly if you reviewed just one article in his CCI (of 11 left of 729) and join the distinguished list of reviewers. I have been labelled an "absolute supporter of the copyright violator" and would live happier without that. Absolute supporter of a person, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC) |
Well, no, because I don't think we should be seeing copied content. :) BUT I can agree that PumpkinSky is much, much improved, in spite of the few issues uncovered, and I think paraphrasing issues in this case should be a goal for improvement, not a barrier to contribution. I know that there are other issues, but in this area, I think he just needs to exercise a bit more care. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
For non-free smart phone apps? Was doing non free rationales and came to an iPhone screenshot. Went through the list and realized none of the licenses we have for screenshots seem to fit for smart phones. We hope ( talk) 05:00, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Put my three cents [inflation :)] in over there so we'll see what others think. We hope ( talk) 17:23, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG, could you double check to see if you agree with Fastily's deletion of File:HIM Damsyik.jpg under criterion F4? I remember putting a source and credit to the copyright holder (the website), but since the template I use is often not read by bots it was autotagged. Considering recent stuff on ANI with Fastily, I'd appreciate it if a third party took a look. As you are the copyright guru, your feedback would be much appreciated. (And the request is quite simple this time! :-D) Crisco 1492 ( talk) 07:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Can you weigh in on the copyright status for the photo in Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/NYPD Ford Crown Victoria? Multiple views have been expressed so I'm requesting comments from multiple people in an attempt to get a consensus. Thanks. Pine talk 10:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
An editor (and I note some of the edits by this editor have been oversighted, probably because of personal information such as at [1]) has added [2] to Butt plug. It's partially OR, but the inclined plane bit at least seems to come from [3]. The wayback machine doesn't have this page archived so it may be possible that it was taken from our article. Dougweller ( talk) 20:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl, can you RevDel B. Jayant Baliga revision 479147650 on Feb 27 by user 122.177.237.89? This is a copyvio from here. Thanks, SchreyP ( messages) 21:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
I've forgotten your other name. It's not listed above that I can see. What is your other identity, the (WMF) one? Thanks, MathewTownsend ( talk) 01:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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hello,
just want to say hi and inform you that I am currently working on an article, -> draft. Please let me know if you have interest in this subject. Regards.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 15:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
My question about copyvios wasn't motivated by the case on the board, so I probably shouldn't have posted it there. And, I've never done much with copyvios beyond removing them when I happen to see them. Reading quickly, I saw something about 729 articles, but maybe it's not reasonable to expect anyone to run the process with a bunch at random to see what is the background level of copyvios - or maybe we don't really want to know, if there isn't much we can do about it. It seems like there would have been a normative study when the process was set up, so we would know it works. We wouldn't need more than one, or maybe one every so many months for comparison. But, you don't see me jumping in to do the work you've done on this one. It can't be very stimulating to comb through a bunch of material you aren't necessarily interested in. So I didn't intend my question to imply any criticism. Thanks, Tom Harrison Talk 15:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Bilby, I would attend that session, if I could. :D And I agree with you about CCI. Sometimes there are people who need to be blocked because they will not stop creating problems - either because they don't care enough to or they are not able. That's sad. But blocking should seldom be a first recourse. We should do what we can to educate people. We do still have a duty of care to address issues when we know they exist - we owe this to our reusers and to other editors. The sooner a copyright problem is eradicated, the sooner we stop potentially wasting editor time in polishing an article that is unusable at base. Sometimes CCIs may be necessary evidence in block discussions, but I do not like to see them used politically. It is purely a mopping task. And, unfortunately, I have to agree with MLauba, particularly as I worked with the other seated arb about who concerns were raised. He handled the matter with grace. Rlevse may have had good reasons for withdrawing (I understand he may have had personal reasons unrelated to the copying concerns), but they didn't help the situation. :/ -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
hello,
could you comment here. Regards.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 15:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm slowly working through a CCI list, and ran into one where I could use some advice from you or a TPS with useful ideas.
The edit in question is here
For me the red flags are:
The initial general Google-search generates many hits, not surprisingly, as the edit occurred in 2008, and the material is oft-quoted in travel sites known to be copying and forking WP material.
As an aside, I know we have a List of mirrors, and I know it is possible to do an advanced search excluding sites, but I'm not about to type them all in—has anyone considered whether it would be possible to generate a Google query excluding all the known sites? This might require coordination with Google, given the large and changing number of such sites. (Or maybe already possible, and I simply don;t know about it?)
I can skip over sites that look like they might be mirrors but with so many hits, this is difficult. If this is a copyvio of an online site, there is probably only one real positive, and with so many false positives, it is almost literally looking for a needle in a haystack.
If there were only a couple hits, I could use the Wayback to determine which came first, but there are far too many to try that in this case.
I tried limiting the search to books, but that fails to prove anything. No hits, but that either means the source wasn't a book, or it was paraphrased enough to fail to generate a hit.
One option is to go back to the editor, point out that the addition is unreferenced, and ask for the reference. However, given that it was four years ago - I can't fault the editor if they cannot recall where they got the information. While we could tag it, and eventually remove it if not sourced, that doesn't really answer whether the material is a copyvio or not.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
So, no matches having been found, I think you have to base it on what you've observed of his editing pattern. Does he generally write like that? How much copying are you running into? But you can also remove or rewrite the material that is an issue under WP:NPOV ("The architectural legacy from this period is abundant in Valencia and can still be appreciated today...?") and reduce the issue to one that is probably easily de minimis. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Something has been bugging me for a few days now and knowing you're also an OTRS person you're the logical person to ask. Is there are way to verify that a person is actually a member of OTRS? This originally came about because I was thinking of future tasks for a bot (and I stress the word future) and one of them was replacing a copyvio tag when it was removed by someone other than those allowed. That got me thinking about OTRS and whether there was a way to verify someone was a member. Now Darren Bartlett has cropped up at WP:CP. There's an OTRS ticket there which I obviously can't verify (although I obviously have no reason to doubt it) and the way to verify it is to "please contact OTRS volunteers at their noticeboard." But again how do we know someone replying there is actually a member of OTRS? I know we normally assume good faith but we specifically don't when it comes to people claiming to be the copyright holder so it seems odd if we're being told to assume good faith about the person who claims to have done the verification. Dpmuk ( talk) 17:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl,
Mystichumwipe has restored a great deal of material to the Dachau concentration camp article, going so far as to assert that much of it was "removed without reason given". I'm sure you had good reason to remove it; does this restored material suffer from the same issues? He has also said that he thinks it's "untrue" that he used the Institute for Historical Review as a source, despite the fact that (as you've previously pointed out) he copied sentences verbatim from http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p377_Weber.html . I haven't responded to that on his talk page, because he's mostly just saying negative things there and blaming it all on me, so I didn't think the reception would be particularly good. Jayjg (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG - A few of us have been working on Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Capolinho, and it's almost done. There are three articles left that I'm not sure how to deal with, and I'm hoping that you can help so that the CCI can be closed. The three articles are Cairo University, Egyptian nationalism and Captin Hima. Cairo University definitely has some copyvio, but I wasn't sure if a revert to before his edits was correct, given the number of succeeding edits by other editors (or would those be fruit of the tainted tree, and so ripe for reversion as well?). The user wrote Egyptian nationalism pretty much by himself, using mostly offline sources, so I can't tell if there is copyvio there or not. And I can't find any copyvio in Captin Hima, but something feels off to me, so I'm hoping you have a chance to take a look. Thanks in advance - WP needs more editors like you :) Dana boomer ( talk) 19:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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after about a week. I used to do the second routinely, but experience gradually taught me that in some cases all the second does is deprive our readers of an article for a week for no reason. Now I judge by the number of contributors and their presence on Wikipedia. If I think that people are likely to undertake a rewrite, I may go with the second option. If not, I'll go with the first. I usually will do a diff between the last edit after his and the most recent as well. If there are new sections added, or major new content, that is not intermixed with his, and the new content seems policy/guideline compliant, I will sometimes try to resurrect it. As we all know, certain articles are highly prone to have content that is not policy/guideline compliant, though, and articles related to universities are pretty high on that list.Okay, in order to determine if the content can be excised, I was able to take the diff from just before his first edit to just after, as he kindly concentrated them: [11]. The entire history section was copied from [12], and I was able to excise it. Other content had already been removed. The bulk was taken from another Wikipedia article. I merged updates to that content back into List of Cairo University alumni. Off to make sure the images that I just added to that list are free. :) Then I'll look at the other article. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Heya, could you give me a second opinion on [13]? I think the article may be fine given this rewrite, and that it's slightly restructured from the original, but I'm not sure. Thanks! — madman 20:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Have you seen http://aful.org/communiques/french-senate-proposes-to-legalize-piracy-french-20th yet? Looks like a world of hurt if every "out of commerce" twentieth century work in France suddenly is to come under a new copyright. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this user's talk page (specifically the copyright section), which is related to their listing at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 February 21, and try to explain the situation. I've obviously not explained myself in a way that they understand and am struggling to think of another angle I could take. Cheers. Dpmuk ( talk) 22:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey, there, I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at the Lauren Harries article and both the link newly added, as well as Harries' YouTube channel link, which was already in the article. I've tried to keep the link out based on copyright concerns, but the other editor, although willing to talk, is insistent that it remain in, and I don't want to edit-war any more than I already have. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I see you have concerns re copyright for several items on the Wiki entry I made for our long-demobilised military unit, which was part of an army which no longer exists in a territory which attained it's independance more than 20 years ago and changed it's name.
The article which I credit as providing the original backbone for my Wiki entry ("Beeld van die SWA Gebiedsmag") appeared in an internal South African Defence Force (which ceased to exist when South Africa amalgamated the SADF and MK/APLA along with the Defence Forces of the TBVC states) Public Relations department publication which no longer exists, published and copyrighten to the now defunct SADF.
The original article was a few paragraphs long and in Afrikaans which I free-translated. I then significantly expanded the original piece with many facts which would not have been available to the author, corrected many pieces of mis-information/propaganda which were in the original article and, in essence, changed the shape and form of the article so that it is unrecognisable from the original. I added entire new paragraphs and the images.
The images are either my own (the flags and standards, as well as the cenotaph), or are the common property of members of the 101 Battalion League of which I am an executive committee member. We and I give our permission for all our images to be used.
This all begs the question: Were you reacting to some complaint re use of copyrighten work? If so I should like to be put in contact with the complainant as it appears they might have reproduced MY work elsewhere without my permission.
I note now that you have seen fit to delete our entire entry.
Please explain yourself.
Paul Oxley 41.185.74.151 ( talk) 06:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more pre-existing works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a “derivative work”. 17 U.S.C. § 101
This might be outside your bailiwick, but I was hoping you might take a look at the article I have been developing in my user space, Call Me Burroughs, and tell me if you notice any glaring omissions. I know that the article is not finished, but I feel it is close to the point that it can actually be published, and then continue improving it from there. Maybe generate a DYK along the way, and even push it to GA status. At any rate, your thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers! --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 14:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I have faced a CV problem recently with the use of a commission of inquiry report [14]. Since I plan to use the BICI report [15] furthermore (due to it being the only public document that contains important information not just about the Bahraini uprising, but also judiciary and politics of Bahrain), I have been advised to argue that copyright is only applicable to the report as a whole, to its format and to synthetic/analytical (i.e. original) sections of it. I'm not sure that much of the material I've used would be legitimately copyrightable since presumably it reproduces evidence submitted to the Commission with a view to wider dissemination, i.e. entry into the public domain. Two subsidiary points:
1. Does the copyright notice on the website in fact refer to the Report/the Report's contents or does it merely refer to the website? There is no copyright notice on the downloadable Report file as far as I can see; only on the website (not that absence of a copyright notice indicates absence of copyright). On the web page the Commission of Inquiry describes its role as that of a non-judicial fact-finding body established in the aftermath of conflict for the purpose of providing a narrative of events which took place during specified period(s) of unrest. CoIs share a commitment to fact-finding and helping societies to heal and implement successful, post-conflict transitions. This would appear to imply that a CoI would not seek to restrict dissemination of its factual reporting through copyright restriction and suggests that where factual findings are being represented, particularly quoting third party evidence, these could be expected to be freely available for reproduction.
2. In response to attempts by (a group) to use WP copyright guidelines to delete passages of evidence from (a CoI) judgments and other materials, (my friend) asked the (CoI) what the position was concerning copyright of their publications. The brilliant answer that (he/she) got was that they were happy to have their materials as widely disseminated as possible subject only to acknowledgment of the source. I suspect that the Commission or any successor might well come up with a similar response.
3. per [16] The Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry is no longer in operation. It is not clear whether the CoI has any residual existence or any succession. If it does not have a succession the question arises whether any copyright (report or website) remains in effect and if so with whom does it reside and what is the extent of the restrictions they are entitled to impose on dissemination of facts. These last points need a specialist to resolve. My friend suggested consulting you, who (he/she) found always straightforward and almost always helpful. "You can trust her judgment (and though her suggested rewrites are not necessarily ideal she is open to reasonable discussion of them)." Bahraini Activist Talk to me 10:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG! I've posted this query on the OTRS Noticeboard, but sometimes they're a bit slow to reply.
I need a check TicketNumber 2012021110008071 (placed on the talk page) to verify that material from both
has now been released under a compatible free license. The article is now virtually blank and I don't want to restore any of the material until I know for sure that it has a compatible license. There have been past problems with the authors sending invalid permission letters, and I want to make sure they've got it right this time. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I have received permission from the publisher to make the portions of the book (Marketing Metrics) that appear on Wikipedia open source, but I am unclear how to proceed from here. Can someone please contact me at karenmharvey@gmail.com. Thank you! Karenmharvey ( talk) 19:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
As author of Marketing Metric (1st and 2nd editions), I verify that Karen Harvey and MASB have received permission from the authors and the publisher to post the material described above. Please contact her for more information. Farrisp ( talk) 21:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Please review User talk:Nikkimaria#hmmm_...? Unsure if SPI is needed in such a case? Thanks, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi there,
You wouldn't happen to remember him do you? I came across an account who has been editing very similar pages and I would appreciate your thoughts on this account: Varghesejacob ( talk · contribs). Elockid ( Talk) 01:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Next :) So, having given up on dealing with copyvio via DYK, I decided to refocus on my area of interest (medical articles), but patrolling new articles keeps leading me one place only-- more copyvio !!! National Institute of Traditional Medicine (Bhutan) I don't understand how this happens; he put up one after another that was a fully developed cut-and-paste article, no new page patroller discovered them, no one told him. What became of Coren bot that used to detect new copyvio articles, and aren't there other bots doing that now? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Another that appeared on medicine patrol, there are multiple copyvio notices on his talk page, and this article was cut-and-paste: [21] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Maggie, given the extent of this person's copyright violations (which seem to go well beyond the usual copy-and-paste from websites given that they've been taking stuff from books and journals) and the number of prior warnings they'd received, and ignored, I think that an indefinite duration block is warranted. I certainly have no confidence that they'll edit within the rules once the block expires. Would you have any objection to me extending the block duration to indefinite? Regards, Nick-D ( talk) 01:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
MRG, Hi, I'm working with a new user who wants to upload images from a third party website. He has spoken to the owners of that site and they are happy for their photos to be used with attribution. As I understand it that's not a problem and requesting attribution wouldn't invalidate a CC-by-SA licence? If they don't want to put a copyleft on their website is there an OTRS process for a blanket permission for all the images on the site or does it need to be dealt with on an image by image basis? Reading the OTRS process it implies that this is possible but I couldn't fathom the detail. Finally (sorry) some of the images aren't the copyright of the web site owner but were donated to him so obviously those can't be used without going to the original copyright holder but can a copyleft read along the lines of "permission granted for all images on this site except those expressly marked otherwise"? Thanks. NtheP ( talk) 14:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. You removed copyright problems from Bob Breunig, but the user has come back under a new username (probably to avoid scrutiny). Can you check this edit to make sure it is copyvio-free? I believe it is changed significantly from this. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
You may be interested in this. Imagine that, original posters for Gone with the Wind and The Wizard of Oz are public domain, but the court ruled against the creation of derivative works. I know you're not that into image copyright issues, but this is an interesting headscratcher (and may require discussion as to whether or not we want to allow posters like that). PD or not PD, that is the question. Crisco 1492 ( talk) 02:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
"[...] this freedom to make new works based on public domain materials ends where the resulting derivative work comes into conflict with a valid copyright. [...] [I]f material related to certain characters is in the public domain, but later works covered by copyright add new aspects to those characters, a work developed from the public domain material infringes the copyrights in the later works to the extent that it incorporates aspects of the characters developed solely in those later works. [...] [T]he only images in the public domain are the precise images in the publicity materials for The Wizard of Oz. [...] [P]roducts combining extracts from the public domain materials in a new arrangement [such as juxtaposing two public domain images or a public domain image and text in a way which evokes a copyrighted work] infringe the copyright in the corresponding film. [...] [T]he addition of visual details to each two-dimensional public domain image to create the three-dimensional product makes impermissible use of the “further delineation of the characters contained in the feature-length films." (spread across ten pages or so)
I confess to still not understanding what Crisco wants to do or why. The quote he supplied confirms my view of one of the holdings of the case, and it seems eminently sensible to me. You can make a derivative work from a PD poster as long as you don't infringe on a valid copyright in doing so, in this instance the copyright on the film character. Why should that change our view that using posters (with low resolution, etc.) is fair use? How does that affect whether these posters are "free enough"? Are we talking not about copyrighted posters but posters that are now in the PD? If so, our use of them in an article is not a derivative work. It's blatant copying and permissible because the work is in the PD. Some more on this Crisco? Sorry to be argumentative, but it's one of my many flaws.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl
I have left a message for you on my talk page here
James Mill section. Would appreciate your assistance on my post .Thanks
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talk) 08:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! if you are online, just take a look at the article Yash Chopra's Untitled Project and see if I can use that image. I cropped the original one, so its not a full image, but the file is unfree; I'm still quite apprehensive about non-free photos. Thanks. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 13:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I was following the Normative study thread on your talk page (thread is now archived), and while I agree that a study of the general population might not be that illuminating, I thought of another discussion I'd had, on whether standards among editors doing clean-up work at CCI varies in the grey areas of plagiarism and close paraphrasing. What I was wondering was whether those who work at CCI and who take the time to look for these sort of issues, work to the same standards on plagiarism and close paraphrasing, or whether some are more conservative (strict) than others and some are more liberal (lenient)?
My concern has been that while at one end it is relatively easy to agree on what is obvious copyright violation (such as a straight cut-and-paste), it is not so easy at the other end, where legitimate disagreements can arise (fundamentally, people write in different styles and paraphrase things in different ways depending on their vocabulary and experience, so it is not surprising that different people paraphrase the same information different ways and disagree both on the 'best' way to do this, and on the 'bad' ways to do this - paraphrasing correctly depending on the context and the requirements of the end product is a skill that can be partially taught but also comes from experience).
One view I've seen is that it is best to err on the side of caution, but that could have unintended consequences in that those working on such issues may become progressively more conservative and cautious, and end up crossing the line the other way. i.e. saying something needs rewriting when it doesn't. This can end up promoting bad writing (and discouraging good writers), as people end up rewriting when they don't need to (and don't have the confidence to challenge those incorrectly pressing for a rewrite).
What I really want to know is whether those working at places like CCI issues are aware of this need to set bounds on both sides, both to be aware of when something definitely is a violation and when it definitely is not a violation, and to keep things clear in their mind what the commonly accepted standards are, rather than working to personal views? To put that another way, is there any reason to disagree with the assertion that the result of a CCI depends more on who ends up working on it, than anything else? i.e. someone with a conservative view will find more things that need fixing that someone who takes a more lenient view on what might need rewriting? This is what I was trying to say in a (now archived) discussion here on another user talk page that petered out (mainly because I didn't have time to follow up then).
What I'd really like to see is open and frank discussion of borderline cases, with those working on CCI issues following such examples and getting a feel for where the common areas of disagreement lie. Currently, it feels too much like anyone who might object to any of this work (including the subject of the CCI) would be made to feel like they were getting in the way, or discouraging people from working on the CCIs. I also see people asking you here about borderline cases, but shouldn't such discussions take place at a central location where everyone can learn from them? Carcharoth ( talk) 14:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The question I would expect anyone doing a retrospective study to ask is whether the standards applied are correct and consistent, and (because they involve articles scheduled to appear on the main page) whether the standards there are more conservative than maybe would be applied elsewhere. Enough examples have built up over several months now, I think, for that question to be answered with a degree of objectivity (though in some cases, failure to link to static page versions at the time the concerns were raised can make it hard to assess things again months later). There are two listed there that provoked disagreement that I know of: Bozeman Carnegie Library and Musa Muradov. There may be others. I think those DYK removals where there was disagreement should be flagged up in those archives.
Getting back to what you said, another thing I would ask is whether, when you see overzealous or plain incorrect flagging of issues, do you raise it with the editor who raised the 'issues' or not, and is there a way to do this that doesn't involve an argument breaking out? Carcharoth ( talk) 15:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I spotted User talk:Tanbircdq#Your submission at Articles for creation on my watchlist and thought I'd take a look at Kamal Uddin (singer). I wasn't too impressed by the sources and looked at them. One of them when viewed through the Wayback machine dates to June 2010 [22]. Besides the chronological sequence, we have from the article " In summer 1996, he boarded Al Jamia-Al Islamiyya Islamic School in Bolton, and studied a course to memorise the whole Qur'an." and from the source " boarded an Islamic school in Bolton called Al Jamia-Al Islamiyya. There he studied a course to memorise the whole Qur'an." Ah, found an earlier version at another source, [23]. And the sources seem pretty rubbish for a BLP (one doesn't seem to exist anymore, and when I tried Wayback I had some sort of virus attack). What can we do about this, both the copyvio and the bad sources for a BLP? I think I've mentioned problems with AfC before. Dougweller ( talk) 16:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
AfC is swamped. Reviewers are simply trying to get the backlog down as quickly as possible; even those of us who perform a copyvio check on every article do not necessarily have the time to thoroughly check every single one. I don't disagree that some of our reviewers are doing less than due diligence (or are inadequately versed in policy in general!), but we need all the hands we can get; it's difficult enough keeping the backlog stable without having to monitor other reviewers. A screening process would be ideal, but anything that would reduce the ease with which we can get more hands on deck would probably be a problem at this stage. sonia♫ 19:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks everyone, that should help. I wish it was as simple to make sure that the sourcing for BLPs was good. Dougweller ( talk) 14:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Moonriddengirl, I hesitate to bother you with what may be nothing at all but I was rolling through unpatrolled new pages and found Dumitru_Dan_(Globetrotter), which was imported from Romanian WP. I checked the ro.wp page with duplication detector against the first ref linked in the article and the overall result was: Matching phrases found: 66. What troubles me are the first several sections of the results...
I haven't much experience with this tool and I would appreciate your interpretation of these results. Thank you for your attention. - UnbelievableError ( talk) 02:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't think this qualifies as a copy-vio, but the length of the quotes here seem to press the limits of fair use. What do you think? --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 18:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Any ideas what to do about the beast I started there? It's developed in a way that I hoped it wouldn't and tried to stop. There's now been some discussion about drawing a conclusion but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Think it needs someone independent to look it over and either close or offer some sensible suggestions as to the way forward. I'm definitely involved and I have a feeling that even making suggestions won't go down well. Any ideas on who would be sensible to ask, and who might be willing, to take it on? I could post at WP:AN but I think it's best if it's dealt with by someone really quite knowledgeable in copyright. Dpmuk ( talk) 21:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Would you be able to help with a copyright question at Talk:Seyed Mohammad Marandi#The picture from guernicamag.com? -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 10:04, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
hello,
can you look at 2011122110016945 and say if he/she mentiones his/her name. I wonder if it is John Tefteller or not. Thanks.-- GoP T C N 13:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Paraphrasing passes (I think?) in this one, likely a google translation, for example:
Empezó a trabajar como médico interno en el hospital del Algodonal donde, junto con el doctor José Ignacio Baldó, se dedicó a la tisiología y a luchar contra la tuberculosis,
and
As physician, worked along with José Ignacio Baldó in the hospital of El Algodonal, facing the battle against tuberculosis in the zone.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor has raised claims of plagarism on the Consolidated P-30 article - could you have a look, either at Talk:Consolidated P-30 or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft#Claims of plagarism on Talk:Consolidated P-30. Thanks. Nigel Ish ( talk) 18:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Moonriddengirl,
I was wondering if you would look over my past editing history and give me your opinion on how I can improve my chances for a successful RFA. Not that I'm standing for a RFA yet but you are well respected on wikipedia and I would appreciate your insight. TucsonDavidU.S.A. 04:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Award for a great woman | |
On the internet no one knows if you're a dog, but I think you're of the female persuasion. Against kitchen slavery, and for women's writing: this award presented to a deserving woman. Drmies ( talk) 16:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC) |
Could you take a look at this for me please? I'd be mindful to decline this request given the similarity between the reply to my question and this statement by User:Vrghs jacob over on commons. Dpmuk ( talk) 16:31, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
And why I actually came here, I noticed that the editor who is the focus of a CCI has actually never been educated about the concerns. Is there anything you think should be added, or should all edits made since the CCI page was started be added just in case? Amalthea 16:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
MRG, I found an article which was made up entirely of extracts taken from a blogspot web page and nominated it for CSD. It was deleted seconds later, just before I discovered that the text at the web page was itself made up of extracts from a clearly public domain source, a book published in the mid-1800's. (Neither the article nor the web page attributed the text.) I asked the deleting sysop to restore it but he was not willing to do so because he was concerned that the web page could itself be considered a new work because it was made up of extracts selected from the PD source, not just one long chunk o'text. He did restore it to my userspace on the agreement that I'd check out his concern before restoring it back to its original page. I've since moved it onto my local drive, but I'd like to be lazy and solicit your opinion about the general principle involved here. I'm not asking that you spend your time actually looking at everything, but were hoping that you can give me the rules. If you do want to look at it — and I'm not asking that you do — the web page is here and the PD source is here and the deleted page is Cults, Fife. There was a 1989 facsimile edition of the PD work, but it didn't add anything to this text and made no explicit claim of copyright. Any advice you can give would be appreciated. Watching here. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 22:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I uploaded a 50-second sample of " Chammak Challo" on Wikimedia Commons; since the original song is copyrighted, I added a {{ Non-free audio sample}} licensing tag. I don't know why, but its being tagged for speedy deletion. Is this normal? Just a checking procedure? You can see it here :- [28] ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 09:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Suggestion_for_new_crats. MBisanz talk 22:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join to the project extra999 ( talk) 05:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Could you (or any admin watching this) please check the re-write of Mohamed Albuflasa article? thanks. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I did a few minor tweaks, but nothing major. It seems okay to me. Thank you very much for repairing the issue. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Having found some copyvio at Battle of Mons Graupius I'm concerned about this article. The editor seems to have built this up bit by bit from various sources. I can find material probably copied from [29], [30] and [31]. His writing is not good, so at Mons Graupius he wrote "Agricolas staff in the provintial capital included his official staff officium, and bodyguard (the pedites and equites singulares) and to liase with the procurator, an equestrian officer in charge of finances. As he arrived he would have been carrying orders (mandata) from the emperor Vespasian to conclude the conquest. When Agricola arrived the only area remaining beyond Roman control was Caledonia." Note the discontinuation between the first half of the sentence and the bit "and to liase with the procurator As he arrived he would have been carrying orders (mandata) from the emperor Vespasian to conclude the conquest. When Agricola arrived the only area remaining beyond Roman control was Caledonia." - copied from Mons Graupius AD 83: Rome's Battle at the Edge of the World By Duncan Campbell [32] which says "Agricola will have made his way initially to the provincial capital at London, to meet his official staff (officium) and bodyguard (the pedites and equites singulares) and to liaise with the procurator, an equestrian officer incharge ot finances. He surely carried orders (mandata) from the emperor Vespasian, whom we can imagine repeating Claudius' instruction to Aulus Plautius to 'conquer the rest' (Dio 60.21)." Dougweller ( talk) 13:57, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help with the new, combined Album article style guide. Now that the page has been created, it's even better than I thought it would be. With that being said, I still think this was one of the coolest things ever, so thanks again for that also! — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to ask for more of your scarce time, but I wonder if you could perhaps offer some advice at User talk:Varghesejacob. The editor has some photos taken by his dad and by his dad's assistant, which he scanned, and I'm having trouble getting him to understand that that does not give him copyright. One example is File:AK Antony Portrait.jpg, which he claims as "own work". Any suggestions would be valuable -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 11:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there any way to let the OTRS volunteers know that a user that may e-mail permission may not really understand what they're doing. The background to this query is at User talk:Kery sprm#Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission. I suspect they may well be able to e-mail from an official address (given that they state they work for the organisation in question) but given the conversation on their talk page I'm not sure they would really understand the release they're giving or indeed even by allowed by the organisation to give such a release. Dpmuk ( talk) 13:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
If you have a moment, could you please take a look at the two recent questions at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems regarding Palestinian costumes and Tawfiq Canaan? A few users have expressed frustration that I've added the copyvio tag to several articles and requested a CCI on one user. I would appreciate your input. GabrielF ( talk) 16:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
We are unable to upload a promotional logo image for the Indian soap opera, Saas Bina Sasural. Can you please help us by creating a page notice which will be shown at the top while editing the article or by uploading an image which does not violates the copyrights. Please, we all would be thankful to you. I am a Wikipedian and I am a part of the Wikiproject India, I have been enrolled there to contribute to articles regarding with History of India, Indian culture, Hinduism, spirituality, mythology, Literature, Arts, Daily Soaps (frequently those aired on SONY TV), West Bengal and Kolkata. So please help us, we would be thankful to you. Thanking you, -- Jagadhatri ২০১২ 06:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
{{ subst:Logo rationale | Saas Bina Sasural}}
.User:Firstedit123 has replaced the existing biographical text of Natalia Makarova with this 600-word bio from the American Ballet Theatre, in this edit. I have restored the section to its former state, but could you please notify him/her on their talk page? And also stress that they need to fill out the Edit Summary on every edit that they make? Thank you very much. Softlavender ( talk) 04:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Hi, I left a note and some advice on the editor's talk page. There's a useful non-bitey template for this at Template:Uw-copyright-new. I also added the "Copyright problem removed" template ( Template:Cclean) to Talk:Natalia Makarova. These are useful for keeping track of removals and the source of the copyvio. I always add them when I've removed copyvio from an article. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 08:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, VanemTao. You have new messages at Moonriddengirl's talk page. I was looking for a message and did,nt find it. So ?
I thought maybe I have to write article about international conference what,s going on annualy in Perth ,Western Australia It,s called Buddhism & Australia.
What,s your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanemTao ( talk • contribs) 04:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I recently passed an article through WP:AFC in full knowledge that it had a few issues and had been rejected previously (and some of the concerns addressed thereafter). I did a bit of work on it myself and left a note at Talk:Quazi Golam Dastgir#Copyright issues. A gut feeling about COI has now become more of a reality in the continuation of that thread, but with a twist regarding the potential copyright issues both relating to the text and proposed images. I really, really could use another set of eyes on that thread. The subject matter is notable and I do not see any big issues regarding the creator, who appears to be most amenable to suggestions etc, but we've reached a point where there are several possible solutions & I am not best qualified to advise on which may be the optimum. If you or one of your talk page stalkers could spare the time then I would be grateful. - Sitush ( talk) 00:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG! Could you take a look at the conversation on User talk:Blues power (section: About Javier Vargas). I just wanted to make sure I'm giving him the right advice. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 06:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Moonriddengirl! I hope you can answer this one: you're the Cecil Adams of copyright around here, you know. Here's my query: let's say I want to back something up in, oh, the Led Zeppelin article with an interview quote. Let's say I choose something like... this, from the official YouTube channel. Now, since it is the "official" channel, there is no fear of copyright infringement, I would think. Can we link to official, and only official, YouTube channels like this for refs or external links? If not: why? I eagerly await your advice on this matter! Doc talk 12:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Again you prove why you are the one to ask! Thank you very much for your advice on this, and I can certainly see the "case by case" basis that must be considered. Cheers :> Doc talk 14:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonridden. I don't normally deal with the copyright side of Wikipedia, so I'm not clear on what is currently best practice when one suspects a trove of violations. There was a ticket, Ticket:2012031310001197, that pointed out a copyright violation on Church of Christ in China. I checked, and it's indeed an almost ver batim copy of fragments of this book, published in 1999. Looking at the other contributions of the creator, Phillip J ( talk · contribs), I fear this isn't his only violation. So, yeah, if you could point me in the correct direction...Thanks. Someguy1221 ( talk) 10:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
I was just admiring this terrific article and was not a bit surprised to discover you were its primary author; since I'd been meaning to leave you a note anyway thanking you for your kindness in consulting on "structural paraphrasing" back in January, I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and offer a general thanks for all you do. (I've finally admitted my Wikiholism was too great to keep away and am returning for at least some Watchlist maintenance.) Cheers, and keep up the great work, Khazar2 ( talk) 01:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, you really ought to practice what you preach. You say I must provide a reliable source for my edit, yet your source is unreliable and flawed, as it pertains to the article subject. By extension, if I were to put on the internet somewhere that I intend to find a cure for cancer, then I could create an article about my ability to cure cancer and cite MY OWN claims as a reliable source? Do me a favour. Mullionwitch ( talk) 15:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
When something like this is set up, do you know who makes sure the students understand our guidelines and policies. I've just found someone adding obvious copyvio edits (and signing them) from this project. See my comments at User talk:Sub specie aeternitatis. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 21:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm slowly working through Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Dawkeye02 and have a couple of examples where I'm not sure whether or not there is a problem and would appreciate a second opinion.
Thanks. Nigel Ish ( talk) 21:35, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi . I saw you are quite active at WP:CP and have no idea where to request this, so apologies if this isn't the proper process! This edit added a bunch of copyvio text that remained until I just removed it, with some rewording in between. I guess these historical revisions should be removed from the article, is this something you can action? Thanks, Nik the stoned 12:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
MRG, there's a 3O request in which your name has been mentioned. Unless you're not neutral to that dispute or to the parties (I'm not, so I can't give one), your help would be appreciated if you have the time. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 14:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
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Keep it up! Sidatio ( talk) 15:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
Hi,
I wanted to ask you about the whether text copied and pasted with some modifications from Google translates result's of a foreign-language website constituted copyvio. The article in question is Sochi Police and the history section of the article, which constitutes the bulk of the text, is clearly taken from the Google translate results of this official website] with some modifications. GabrielF ( talk) 00:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
On 20 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that at least five people died due to torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising 2.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
The DYK project ( nominate) 16:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Cool! That was part of the idea behind those lists in the first place: they seemed like good "maps" for filling in the blanks. (Not that I've been diligent about that...) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! You might recall we had a chat here about the possibility of surveying WP to understand the extent of copyright problems. I've spent some time working on possible semi-automatic methodologies, but the essential problem is that all plagiarism detectors assume that the copy you are providing is a one-off, unique document, whereas by its nature WP isn't. :) So a quantitative general survey is going to be tricky. In the meantime, I was curious, so I've been running a small sample look at a particular subject area, as it seems viable to do a quantitative study in a set field: I'm using Australian schools, as I could reasonably expect copyright violations to occur, and the sources are generally fairly limited so they're relativly easy to follow up. At this stage, having completed the first 300 articles, (the target should be about 1000), we're sitting at a very consistent average of about 20-25% containing copyright violations, with a majority of those having significant violations defined as a major portion of the article. That would be conservative, unfortunately, and to be honest I don't see that figure falling. Once I finish I'll go back and collect data on the text, to see if there are any patterns in the time it was added, types of users who added it, or content areas, but my first round is just to collect the initial data. I'm not sure what to do with this when I'm done, although we will have less copyvio on Wikipedia, so that's a plus, but the 20-25% figure is enough of a surprise that I thought you might be interested at an early stage. - Bilby ( talk) 03:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
If a report is leaked to the press by a whistle blower is it still copyrighted? I ask as the Hamoodur Rahman Commission of Inquiry Into the 1971 India-Pakistan War has been used as a source here [37] and a look at the report [38] finds it a little to close to call it paraphrasing in my opinion. Would it be best to remove or just rewrite? Darkness Shines ( talk) 21:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
There is reliable evidence to show that during this period the miscreants indulged in large scale massacres and rape against pro-Pakistan elements, in the towns of Dacca, Narayanganj, Chittagong, Chandragona, Rungamati, Khulna, Dinajpur, Dhakargaoa, Kushtia, Ishuali, Noakhali, sylhet, Maulvi Bazaar, Rangpur, Saidpur, Jessore, Barisal, Mymensingh, Rajshal?, Pabna, Sirojgonj, Comilla, Brahman, Baria, Bogra, Naugaon, Santapur and several other smaller places. [39]
Into the article Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War Darkness Shines ( talk) 12:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) First, an IBAN has nothing to do with copyright; I'm not even going to look into what your IBAN is to answer this question. Second, that quote is WP:WEASELly and does not have a WP:NPOV. "There is reliable evidence" accuses without actually providing said evidence - reliable or otherwise; that it appears in a printed source does provide some special sauce to make this source reliable. It happens that editors will use such quotes and say "it appeared in a reliable source; I'm not making the accusation but merely repeating an accusation someone else made". I highly recommend against that. "Miscreant" is a largely pejorative word; you could get around that by choosing a different one since it has to be paraphrased but still, it calls into question the neutrality of the source. Finally, not having read the article you are trying to put this in, I would ask this: whether you put it in "as is" and have it removed for copyright violation, or you paraphrase it and risk significant discussion and reverts over WP:NPOV, WP:RS, and WP:WEIGHT (among others), I wonder: does it really add anything to the article? Frank | talk 12:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl! I need a copyright expert's insight on a deletion discussion at Commons. It's a tough one, I'm not 100% confident in what I'm arguing, so it'd be a huge help if I could get an experienced user's insight. Note that I've also asked your colleagues Wizardman and MER-C, so if you're too busy to take a look, not to worry! Regards, Osiris ( talk) 00:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
The copyright infringing section was replaced after I tagged it, although I found two sentences in the new version still too similar to the source. Were these enough for the section to be removed or was there more (maybe something from another source) that I didn't notice? Peter E. James ( talk) 00:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I reverted vandalism. Kindly watch to make certain this vandal does not persist. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.25.216.49 ( talk) 07:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This looks to me like a copy and paste copyright violation from the cited source. But I would rather you, or one of your esteemed colleagues, give it a second look. Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore ( talk) 15:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Extra chronology 2. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Extra chronology 2 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Magioladitis ( talk) 17:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Too many fair use images used here, dontcha think? 99.122.238.88 ( talk) 20:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This one has me stumped and I didn't even come across it doing copyright stuff, just normal browsing. This removed the lyrics as a copyright violation and that's where it gets interesting. It would appear that common consensus on the internet (including some almost reliable sources) is that the lyrics are from the 19th century, which would make them well and truly PD (although I suppose there may be some question as to whether they were "published"). However everyone also seems to suggest that the earliest references are from the 1940s. I suspect that this is a reference to the song although it's hard to know for sure. This (under Crofts) is undoubtedly a reference to it but means little for the lyrics if they existed before then. Given the number of covers of this song, including, as far as I can see, the description of the lyrics as traditional in some of those recording, I think that many performers also think the lyrics are PD. However I think this is an impossible case to prove so fear we may have to keep them deleted so thought I'd see if I'd missed something by asking you and also get your opinion. Dpmuk ( talk) 05:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Well, if this is accurate, and I suspect it is, then the lyrics may well still be in copyright. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
This is rather a minor problem, but I would like to know how to do it, if it can be done. In January I realized that some material in Melrose, Florida was a direct copy (from the cited source, which I realized was on-line only after I finally found the hard copy in the library). The copyvio was added three years ago. I removed the copyvio and deleted the series of edits that added it, but there have been a number of edits since the copyvio was added, and it still shows in the intermediate versions in the page history. Is there a way to remove the copyvio from all pages in the history without deleting valid edits? -- Donald Albury 13:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi --
I'd be willing to try to fix the problem at Protestant missions in China 1807–1953. It should be pretty simple if the only offending passages are the three you mention on the talk page. The section on "Missionary Activity, 1860-1900" should be revised in any case, since it puts way too much emphasis on Hudson Taylor. This is pretty straightforward.
But how can I tell whether there is bad material elsewhere? I can't get WikiTrust to work on the old versions.
Thanks for your help.
ch ( talk) 20:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I fully agree with you here. I was the first person to add a copyright violation tag in the article! Will you delete the copyvio template from the article? I'll write a portion in my own language! -- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 12:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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Your name was mentioned in relation to PumpkinSky ("... someone whose conversant in the copyvio area should be added to his list of mentors, someone like Moonridden girl."). I would appreciate highly if you reviewed just one article in his CCI (of 11 left of 729) and join the distinguished list of reviewers. I have been labelled an "absolute supporter of the copyright violator" and would live happier without that. Absolute supporter of a person, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC) |
Well, no, because I don't think we should be seeing copied content. :) BUT I can agree that PumpkinSky is much, much improved, in spite of the few issues uncovered, and I think paraphrasing issues in this case should be a goal for improvement, not a barrier to contribution. I know that there are other issues, but in this area, I think he just needs to exercise a bit more care. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
For non-free smart phone apps? Was doing non free rationales and came to an iPhone screenshot. Went through the list and realized none of the licenses we have for screenshots seem to fit for smart phones. We hope ( talk) 05:00, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Put my three cents [inflation :)] in over there so we'll see what others think. We hope ( talk) 17:23, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG, could you double check to see if you agree with Fastily's deletion of File:HIM Damsyik.jpg under criterion F4? I remember putting a source and credit to the copyright holder (the website), but since the template I use is often not read by bots it was autotagged. Considering recent stuff on ANI with Fastily, I'd appreciate it if a third party took a look. As you are the copyright guru, your feedback would be much appreciated. (And the request is quite simple this time! :-D) Crisco 1492 ( talk) 07:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Can you weigh in on the copyright status for the photo in Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/NYPD Ford Crown Victoria? Multiple views have been expressed so I'm requesting comments from multiple people in an attempt to get a consensus. Thanks. Pine talk 10:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
An editor (and I note some of the edits by this editor have been oversighted, probably because of personal information such as at [1]) has added [2] to Butt plug. It's partially OR, but the inclined plane bit at least seems to come from [3]. The wayback machine doesn't have this page archived so it may be possible that it was taken from our article. Dougweller ( talk) 20:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl, can you RevDel B. Jayant Baliga revision 479147650 on Feb 27 by user 122.177.237.89? This is a copyvio from here. Thanks, SchreyP ( messages) 21:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
I've forgotten your other name. It's not listed above that I can see. What is your other identity, the (WMF) one? Thanks, MathewTownsend ( talk) 01:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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hello,
just want to say hi and inform you that I am currently working on an article, -> draft. Please let me know if you have interest in this subject. Regards.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 15:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
My question about copyvios wasn't motivated by the case on the board, so I probably shouldn't have posted it there. And, I've never done much with copyvios beyond removing them when I happen to see them. Reading quickly, I saw something about 729 articles, but maybe it's not reasonable to expect anyone to run the process with a bunch at random to see what is the background level of copyvios - or maybe we don't really want to know, if there isn't much we can do about it. It seems like there would have been a normative study when the process was set up, so we would know it works. We wouldn't need more than one, or maybe one every so many months for comparison. But, you don't see me jumping in to do the work you've done on this one. It can't be very stimulating to comb through a bunch of material you aren't necessarily interested in. So I didn't intend my question to imply any criticism. Thanks, Tom Harrison Talk 15:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Bilby, I would attend that session, if I could. :D And I agree with you about CCI. Sometimes there are people who need to be blocked because they will not stop creating problems - either because they don't care enough to or they are not able. That's sad. But blocking should seldom be a first recourse. We should do what we can to educate people. We do still have a duty of care to address issues when we know they exist - we owe this to our reusers and to other editors. The sooner a copyright problem is eradicated, the sooner we stop potentially wasting editor time in polishing an article that is unusable at base. Sometimes CCIs may be necessary evidence in block discussions, but I do not like to see them used politically. It is purely a mopping task. And, unfortunately, I have to agree with MLauba, particularly as I worked with the other seated arb about who concerns were raised. He handled the matter with grace. Rlevse may have had good reasons for withdrawing (I understand he may have had personal reasons unrelated to the copying concerns), but they didn't help the situation. :/ -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
hello,
could you comment here. Regards.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 15:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm slowly working through a CCI list, and ran into one where I could use some advice from you or a TPS with useful ideas.
The edit in question is here
For me the red flags are:
The initial general Google-search generates many hits, not surprisingly, as the edit occurred in 2008, and the material is oft-quoted in travel sites known to be copying and forking WP material.
As an aside, I know we have a List of mirrors, and I know it is possible to do an advanced search excluding sites, but I'm not about to type them all in—has anyone considered whether it would be possible to generate a Google query excluding all the known sites? This might require coordination with Google, given the large and changing number of such sites. (Or maybe already possible, and I simply don;t know about it?)
I can skip over sites that look like they might be mirrors but with so many hits, this is difficult. If this is a copyvio of an online site, there is probably only one real positive, and with so many false positives, it is almost literally looking for a needle in a haystack.
If there were only a couple hits, I could use the Wayback to determine which came first, but there are far too many to try that in this case.
I tried limiting the search to books, but that fails to prove anything. No hits, but that either means the source wasn't a book, or it was paraphrased enough to fail to generate a hit.
One option is to go back to the editor, point out that the addition is unreferenced, and ask for the reference. However, given that it was four years ago - I can't fault the editor if they cannot recall where they got the information. While we could tag it, and eventually remove it if not sourced, that doesn't really answer whether the material is a copyvio or not.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
So, no matches having been found, I think you have to base it on what you've observed of his editing pattern. Does he generally write like that? How much copying are you running into? But you can also remove or rewrite the material that is an issue under WP:NPOV ("The architectural legacy from this period is abundant in Valencia and can still be appreciated today...?") and reduce the issue to one that is probably easily de minimis. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Something has been bugging me for a few days now and knowing you're also an OTRS person you're the logical person to ask. Is there are way to verify that a person is actually a member of OTRS? This originally came about because I was thinking of future tasks for a bot (and I stress the word future) and one of them was replacing a copyvio tag when it was removed by someone other than those allowed. That got me thinking about OTRS and whether there was a way to verify someone was a member. Now Darren Bartlett has cropped up at WP:CP. There's an OTRS ticket there which I obviously can't verify (although I obviously have no reason to doubt it) and the way to verify it is to "please contact OTRS volunteers at their noticeboard." But again how do we know someone replying there is actually a member of OTRS? I know we normally assume good faith but we specifically don't when it comes to people claiming to be the copyright holder so it seems odd if we're being told to assume good faith about the person who claims to have done the verification. Dpmuk ( talk) 17:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl,
Mystichumwipe has restored a great deal of material to the Dachau concentration camp article, going so far as to assert that much of it was "removed without reason given". I'm sure you had good reason to remove it; does this restored material suffer from the same issues? He has also said that he thinks it's "untrue" that he used the Institute for Historical Review as a source, despite the fact that (as you've previously pointed out) he copied sentences verbatim from http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p377_Weber.html . I haven't responded to that on his talk page, because he's mostly just saying negative things there and blaming it all on me, so I didn't think the reception would be particularly good. Jayjg (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG - A few of us have been working on Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Capolinho, and it's almost done. There are three articles left that I'm not sure how to deal with, and I'm hoping that you can help so that the CCI can be closed. The three articles are Cairo University, Egyptian nationalism and Captin Hima. Cairo University definitely has some copyvio, but I wasn't sure if a revert to before his edits was correct, given the number of succeeding edits by other editors (or would those be fruit of the tainted tree, and so ripe for reversion as well?). The user wrote Egyptian nationalism pretty much by himself, using mostly offline sources, so I can't tell if there is copyvio there or not. And I can't find any copyvio in Captin Hima, but something feels off to me, so I'm hoping you have a chance to take a look. Thanks in advance - WP needs more editors like you :) Dana boomer ( talk) 19:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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after about a week. I used to do the second routinely, but experience gradually taught me that in some cases all the second does is deprive our readers of an article for a week for no reason. Now I judge by the number of contributors and their presence on Wikipedia. If I think that people are likely to undertake a rewrite, I may go with the second option. If not, I'll go with the first. I usually will do a diff between the last edit after his and the most recent as well. If there are new sections added, or major new content, that is not intermixed with his, and the new content seems policy/guideline compliant, I will sometimes try to resurrect it. As we all know, certain articles are highly prone to have content that is not policy/guideline compliant, though, and articles related to universities are pretty high on that list.Okay, in order to determine if the content can be excised, I was able to take the diff from just before his first edit to just after, as he kindly concentrated them: [11]. The entire history section was copied from [12], and I was able to excise it. Other content had already been removed. The bulk was taken from another Wikipedia article. I merged updates to that content back into List of Cairo University alumni. Off to make sure the images that I just added to that list are free. :) Then I'll look at the other article. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Heya, could you give me a second opinion on [13]? I think the article may be fine given this rewrite, and that it's slightly restructured from the original, but I'm not sure. Thanks! — madman 20:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Have you seen http://aful.org/communiques/french-senate-proposes-to-legalize-piracy-french-20th yet? Looks like a world of hurt if every "out of commerce" twentieth century work in France suddenly is to come under a new copyright. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this user's talk page (specifically the copyright section), which is related to their listing at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 February 21, and try to explain the situation. I've obviously not explained myself in a way that they understand and am struggling to think of another angle I could take. Cheers. Dpmuk ( talk) 22:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey, there, I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at the Lauren Harries article and both the link newly added, as well as Harries' YouTube channel link, which was already in the article. I've tried to keep the link out based on copyright concerns, but the other editor, although willing to talk, is insistent that it remain in, and I don't want to edit-war any more than I already have. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I see you have concerns re copyright for several items on the Wiki entry I made for our long-demobilised military unit, which was part of an army which no longer exists in a territory which attained it's independance more than 20 years ago and changed it's name.
The article which I credit as providing the original backbone for my Wiki entry ("Beeld van die SWA Gebiedsmag") appeared in an internal South African Defence Force (which ceased to exist when South Africa amalgamated the SADF and MK/APLA along with the Defence Forces of the TBVC states) Public Relations department publication which no longer exists, published and copyrighten to the now defunct SADF.
The original article was a few paragraphs long and in Afrikaans which I free-translated. I then significantly expanded the original piece with many facts which would not have been available to the author, corrected many pieces of mis-information/propaganda which were in the original article and, in essence, changed the shape and form of the article so that it is unrecognisable from the original. I added entire new paragraphs and the images.
The images are either my own (the flags and standards, as well as the cenotaph), or are the common property of members of the 101 Battalion League of which I am an executive committee member. We and I give our permission for all our images to be used.
This all begs the question: Were you reacting to some complaint re use of copyrighten work? If so I should like to be put in contact with the complainant as it appears they might have reproduced MY work elsewhere without my permission.
I note now that you have seen fit to delete our entire entry.
Please explain yourself.
Paul Oxley 41.185.74.151 ( talk) 06:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more pre-existing works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a “derivative work”. 17 U.S.C. § 101
This might be outside your bailiwick, but I was hoping you might take a look at the article I have been developing in my user space, Call Me Burroughs, and tell me if you notice any glaring omissions. I know that the article is not finished, but I feel it is close to the point that it can actually be published, and then continue improving it from there. Maybe generate a DYK along the way, and even push it to GA status. At any rate, your thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers! --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 14:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I have faced a CV problem recently with the use of a commission of inquiry report [14]. Since I plan to use the BICI report [15] furthermore (due to it being the only public document that contains important information not just about the Bahraini uprising, but also judiciary and politics of Bahrain), I have been advised to argue that copyright is only applicable to the report as a whole, to its format and to synthetic/analytical (i.e. original) sections of it. I'm not sure that much of the material I've used would be legitimately copyrightable since presumably it reproduces evidence submitted to the Commission with a view to wider dissemination, i.e. entry into the public domain. Two subsidiary points:
1. Does the copyright notice on the website in fact refer to the Report/the Report's contents or does it merely refer to the website? There is no copyright notice on the downloadable Report file as far as I can see; only on the website (not that absence of a copyright notice indicates absence of copyright). On the web page the Commission of Inquiry describes its role as that of a non-judicial fact-finding body established in the aftermath of conflict for the purpose of providing a narrative of events which took place during specified period(s) of unrest. CoIs share a commitment to fact-finding and helping societies to heal and implement successful, post-conflict transitions. This would appear to imply that a CoI would not seek to restrict dissemination of its factual reporting through copyright restriction and suggests that where factual findings are being represented, particularly quoting third party evidence, these could be expected to be freely available for reproduction.
2. In response to attempts by (a group) to use WP copyright guidelines to delete passages of evidence from (a CoI) judgments and other materials, (my friend) asked the (CoI) what the position was concerning copyright of their publications. The brilliant answer that (he/she) got was that they were happy to have their materials as widely disseminated as possible subject only to acknowledgment of the source. I suspect that the Commission or any successor might well come up with a similar response.
3. per [16] The Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry is no longer in operation. It is not clear whether the CoI has any residual existence or any succession. If it does not have a succession the question arises whether any copyright (report or website) remains in effect and if so with whom does it reside and what is the extent of the restrictions they are entitled to impose on dissemination of facts. These last points need a specialist to resolve. My friend suggested consulting you, who (he/she) found always straightforward and almost always helpful. "You can trust her judgment (and though her suggested rewrites are not necessarily ideal she is open to reasonable discussion of them)." Bahraini Activist Talk to me 10:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG! I've posted this query on the OTRS Noticeboard, but sometimes they're a bit slow to reply.
I need a check TicketNumber 2012021110008071 (placed on the talk page) to verify that material from both
has now been released under a compatible free license. The article is now virtually blank and I don't want to restore any of the material until I know for sure that it has a compatible license. There have been past problems with the authors sending invalid permission letters, and I want to make sure they've got it right this time. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I have received permission from the publisher to make the portions of the book (Marketing Metrics) that appear on Wikipedia open source, but I am unclear how to proceed from here. Can someone please contact me at karenmharvey@gmail.com. Thank you! Karenmharvey ( talk) 19:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
As author of Marketing Metric (1st and 2nd editions), I verify that Karen Harvey and MASB have received permission from the authors and the publisher to post the material described above. Please contact her for more information. Farrisp ( talk) 21:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Please review User talk:Nikkimaria#hmmm_...? Unsure if SPI is needed in such a case? Thanks, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi there,
You wouldn't happen to remember him do you? I came across an account who has been editing very similar pages and I would appreciate your thoughts on this account: Varghesejacob ( talk · contribs). Elockid ( Talk) 01:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Next :) So, having given up on dealing with copyvio via DYK, I decided to refocus on my area of interest (medical articles), but patrolling new articles keeps leading me one place only-- more copyvio !!! National Institute of Traditional Medicine (Bhutan) I don't understand how this happens; he put up one after another that was a fully developed cut-and-paste article, no new page patroller discovered them, no one told him. What became of Coren bot that used to detect new copyvio articles, and aren't there other bots doing that now? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Another that appeared on medicine patrol, there are multiple copyvio notices on his talk page, and this article was cut-and-paste: [21] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Maggie, given the extent of this person's copyright violations (which seem to go well beyond the usual copy-and-paste from websites given that they've been taking stuff from books and journals) and the number of prior warnings they'd received, and ignored, I think that an indefinite duration block is warranted. I certainly have no confidence that they'll edit within the rules once the block expires. Would you have any objection to me extending the block duration to indefinite? Regards, Nick-D ( talk) 01:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
MRG, Hi, I'm working with a new user who wants to upload images from a third party website. He has spoken to the owners of that site and they are happy for their photos to be used with attribution. As I understand it that's not a problem and requesting attribution wouldn't invalidate a CC-by-SA licence? If they don't want to put a copyleft on their website is there an OTRS process for a blanket permission for all the images on the site or does it need to be dealt with on an image by image basis? Reading the OTRS process it implies that this is possible but I couldn't fathom the detail. Finally (sorry) some of the images aren't the copyright of the web site owner but were donated to him so obviously those can't be used without going to the original copyright holder but can a copyleft read along the lines of "permission granted for all images on this site except those expressly marked otherwise"? Thanks. NtheP ( talk) 14:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. You removed copyright problems from Bob Breunig, but the user has come back under a new username (probably to avoid scrutiny). Can you check this edit to make sure it is copyvio-free? I believe it is changed significantly from this. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
You may be interested in this. Imagine that, original posters for Gone with the Wind and The Wizard of Oz are public domain, but the court ruled against the creation of derivative works. I know you're not that into image copyright issues, but this is an interesting headscratcher (and may require discussion as to whether or not we want to allow posters like that). PD or not PD, that is the question. Crisco 1492 ( talk) 02:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
"[...] this freedom to make new works based on public domain materials ends where the resulting derivative work comes into conflict with a valid copyright. [...] [I]f material related to certain characters is in the public domain, but later works covered by copyright add new aspects to those characters, a work developed from the public domain material infringes the copyrights in the later works to the extent that it incorporates aspects of the characters developed solely in those later works. [...] [T]he only images in the public domain are the precise images in the publicity materials for The Wizard of Oz. [...] [P]roducts combining extracts from the public domain materials in a new arrangement [such as juxtaposing two public domain images or a public domain image and text in a way which evokes a copyrighted work] infringe the copyright in the corresponding film. [...] [T]he addition of visual details to each two-dimensional public domain image to create the three-dimensional product makes impermissible use of the “further delineation of the characters contained in the feature-length films." (spread across ten pages or so)
I confess to still not understanding what Crisco wants to do or why. The quote he supplied confirms my view of one of the holdings of the case, and it seems eminently sensible to me. You can make a derivative work from a PD poster as long as you don't infringe on a valid copyright in doing so, in this instance the copyright on the film character. Why should that change our view that using posters (with low resolution, etc.) is fair use? How does that affect whether these posters are "free enough"? Are we talking not about copyrighted posters but posters that are now in the PD? If so, our use of them in an article is not a derivative work. It's blatant copying and permissible because the work is in the PD. Some more on this Crisco? Sorry to be argumentative, but it's one of my many flaws.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl
I have left a message for you on my talk page here
James Mill section. Would appreciate your assistance on my post .Thanks
Intothefire (
talk) 08:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! if you are online, just take a look at the article Yash Chopra's Untitled Project and see if I can use that image. I cropped the original one, so its not a full image, but the file is unfree; I'm still quite apprehensive about non-free photos. Thanks. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 13:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I was following the Normative study thread on your talk page (thread is now archived), and while I agree that a study of the general population might not be that illuminating, I thought of another discussion I'd had, on whether standards among editors doing clean-up work at CCI varies in the grey areas of plagiarism and close paraphrasing. What I was wondering was whether those who work at CCI and who take the time to look for these sort of issues, work to the same standards on plagiarism and close paraphrasing, or whether some are more conservative (strict) than others and some are more liberal (lenient)?
My concern has been that while at one end it is relatively easy to agree on what is obvious copyright violation (such as a straight cut-and-paste), it is not so easy at the other end, where legitimate disagreements can arise (fundamentally, people write in different styles and paraphrase things in different ways depending on their vocabulary and experience, so it is not surprising that different people paraphrase the same information different ways and disagree both on the 'best' way to do this, and on the 'bad' ways to do this - paraphrasing correctly depending on the context and the requirements of the end product is a skill that can be partially taught but also comes from experience).
One view I've seen is that it is best to err on the side of caution, but that could have unintended consequences in that those working on such issues may become progressively more conservative and cautious, and end up crossing the line the other way. i.e. saying something needs rewriting when it doesn't. This can end up promoting bad writing (and discouraging good writers), as people end up rewriting when they don't need to (and don't have the confidence to challenge those incorrectly pressing for a rewrite).
What I really want to know is whether those working at places like CCI issues are aware of this need to set bounds on both sides, both to be aware of when something definitely is a violation and when it definitely is not a violation, and to keep things clear in their mind what the commonly accepted standards are, rather than working to personal views? To put that another way, is there any reason to disagree with the assertion that the result of a CCI depends more on who ends up working on it, than anything else? i.e. someone with a conservative view will find more things that need fixing that someone who takes a more lenient view on what might need rewriting? This is what I was trying to say in a (now archived) discussion here on another user talk page that petered out (mainly because I didn't have time to follow up then).
What I'd really like to see is open and frank discussion of borderline cases, with those working on CCI issues following such examples and getting a feel for where the common areas of disagreement lie. Currently, it feels too much like anyone who might object to any of this work (including the subject of the CCI) would be made to feel like they were getting in the way, or discouraging people from working on the CCIs. I also see people asking you here about borderline cases, but shouldn't such discussions take place at a central location where everyone can learn from them? Carcharoth ( talk) 14:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The question I would expect anyone doing a retrospective study to ask is whether the standards applied are correct and consistent, and (because they involve articles scheduled to appear on the main page) whether the standards there are more conservative than maybe would be applied elsewhere. Enough examples have built up over several months now, I think, for that question to be answered with a degree of objectivity (though in some cases, failure to link to static page versions at the time the concerns were raised can make it hard to assess things again months later). There are two listed there that provoked disagreement that I know of: Bozeman Carnegie Library and Musa Muradov. There may be others. I think those DYK removals where there was disagreement should be flagged up in those archives.
Getting back to what you said, another thing I would ask is whether, when you see overzealous or plain incorrect flagging of issues, do you raise it with the editor who raised the 'issues' or not, and is there a way to do this that doesn't involve an argument breaking out? Carcharoth ( talk) 15:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I spotted User talk:Tanbircdq#Your submission at Articles for creation on my watchlist and thought I'd take a look at Kamal Uddin (singer). I wasn't too impressed by the sources and looked at them. One of them when viewed through the Wayback machine dates to June 2010 [22]. Besides the chronological sequence, we have from the article " In summer 1996, he boarded Al Jamia-Al Islamiyya Islamic School in Bolton, and studied a course to memorise the whole Qur'an." and from the source " boarded an Islamic school in Bolton called Al Jamia-Al Islamiyya. There he studied a course to memorise the whole Qur'an." Ah, found an earlier version at another source, [23]. And the sources seem pretty rubbish for a BLP (one doesn't seem to exist anymore, and when I tried Wayback I had some sort of virus attack). What can we do about this, both the copyvio and the bad sources for a BLP? I think I've mentioned problems with AfC before. Dougweller ( talk) 16:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
AfC is swamped. Reviewers are simply trying to get the backlog down as quickly as possible; even those of us who perform a copyvio check on every article do not necessarily have the time to thoroughly check every single one. I don't disagree that some of our reviewers are doing less than due diligence (or are inadequately versed in policy in general!), but we need all the hands we can get; it's difficult enough keeping the backlog stable without having to monitor other reviewers. A screening process would be ideal, but anything that would reduce the ease with which we can get more hands on deck would probably be a problem at this stage. sonia♫ 19:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks everyone, that should help. I wish it was as simple to make sure that the sourcing for BLPs was good. Dougweller ( talk) 14:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Moonriddengirl, I hesitate to bother you with what may be nothing at all but I was rolling through unpatrolled new pages and found Dumitru_Dan_(Globetrotter), which was imported from Romanian WP. I checked the ro.wp page with duplication detector against the first ref linked in the article and the overall result was: Matching phrases found: 66. What troubles me are the first several sections of the results...
I haven't much experience with this tool and I would appreciate your interpretation of these results. Thank you for your attention. - UnbelievableError ( talk) 02:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't think this qualifies as a copy-vio, but the length of the quotes here seem to press the limits of fair use. What do you think? --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 18:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Any ideas what to do about the beast I started there? It's developed in a way that I hoped it wouldn't and tried to stop. There's now been some discussion about drawing a conclusion but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Think it needs someone independent to look it over and either close or offer some sensible suggestions as to the way forward. I'm definitely involved and I have a feeling that even making suggestions won't go down well. Any ideas on who would be sensible to ask, and who might be willing, to take it on? I could post at WP:AN but I think it's best if it's dealt with by someone really quite knowledgeable in copyright. Dpmuk ( talk) 21:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Would you be able to help with a copyright question at Talk:Seyed Mohammad Marandi#The picture from guernicamag.com? -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 10:04, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
hello,
can you look at 2011122110016945 and say if he/she mentiones his/her name. I wonder if it is John Tefteller or not. Thanks.-- GoP T C N 13:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Paraphrasing passes (I think?) in this one, likely a google translation, for example:
Empezó a trabajar como médico interno en el hospital del Algodonal donde, junto con el doctor José Ignacio Baldó, se dedicó a la tisiología y a luchar contra la tuberculosis,
and
As physician, worked along with José Ignacio Baldó in the hospital of El Algodonal, facing the battle against tuberculosis in the zone.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor has raised claims of plagarism on the Consolidated P-30 article - could you have a look, either at Talk:Consolidated P-30 or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft#Claims of plagarism on Talk:Consolidated P-30. Thanks. Nigel Ish ( talk) 18:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Moonriddengirl,
I was wondering if you would look over my past editing history and give me your opinion on how I can improve my chances for a successful RFA. Not that I'm standing for a RFA yet but you are well respected on wikipedia and I would appreciate your insight. TucsonDavidU.S.A. 04:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Award for a great woman | |
On the internet no one knows if you're a dog, but I think you're of the female persuasion. Against kitchen slavery, and for women's writing: this award presented to a deserving woman. Drmies ( talk) 16:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC) |
Could you take a look at this for me please? I'd be mindful to decline this request given the similarity between the reply to my question and this statement by User:Vrghs jacob over on commons. Dpmuk ( talk) 16:31, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
And why I actually came here, I noticed that the editor who is the focus of a CCI has actually never been educated about the concerns. Is there anything you think should be added, or should all edits made since the CCI page was started be added just in case? Amalthea 16:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
MRG, I found an article which was made up entirely of extracts taken from a blogspot web page and nominated it for CSD. It was deleted seconds later, just before I discovered that the text at the web page was itself made up of extracts from a clearly public domain source, a book published in the mid-1800's. (Neither the article nor the web page attributed the text.) I asked the deleting sysop to restore it but he was not willing to do so because he was concerned that the web page could itself be considered a new work because it was made up of extracts selected from the PD source, not just one long chunk o'text. He did restore it to my userspace on the agreement that I'd check out his concern before restoring it back to its original page. I've since moved it onto my local drive, but I'd like to be lazy and solicit your opinion about the general principle involved here. I'm not asking that you spend your time actually looking at everything, but were hoping that you can give me the rules. If you do want to look at it — and I'm not asking that you do — the web page is here and the PD source is here and the deleted page is Cults, Fife. There was a 1989 facsimile edition of the PD work, but it didn't add anything to this text and made no explicit claim of copyright. Any advice you can give would be appreciated. Watching here. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 22:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I uploaded a 50-second sample of " Chammak Challo" on Wikimedia Commons; since the original song is copyrighted, I added a {{ Non-free audio sample}} licensing tag. I don't know why, but its being tagged for speedy deletion. Is this normal? Just a checking procedure? You can see it here :- [28] ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 09:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Suggestion_for_new_crats. MBisanz talk 22:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join to the project extra999 ( talk) 05:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Could you (or any admin watching this) please check the re-write of Mohamed Albuflasa article? thanks. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I did a few minor tweaks, but nothing major. It seems okay to me. Thank you very much for repairing the issue. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Having found some copyvio at Battle of Mons Graupius I'm concerned about this article. The editor seems to have built this up bit by bit from various sources. I can find material probably copied from [29], [30] and [31]. His writing is not good, so at Mons Graupius he wrote "Agricolas staff in the provintial capital included his official staff officium, and bodyguard (the pedites and equites singulares) and to liase with the procurator, an equestrian officer in charge of finances. As he arrived he would have been carrying orders (mandata) from the emperor Vespasian to conclude the conquest. When Agricola arrived the only area remaining beyond Roman control was Caledonia." Note the discontinuation between the first half of the sentence and the bit "and to liase with the procurator As he arrived he would have been carrying orders (mandata) from the emperor Vespasian to conclude the conquest. When Agricola arrived the only area remaining beyond Roman control was Caledonia." - copied from Mons Graupius AD 83: Rome's Battle at the Edge of the World By Duncan Campbell [32] which says "Agricola will have made his way initially to the provincial capital at London, to meet his official staff (officium) and bodyguard (the pedites and equites singulares) and to liaise with the procurator, an equestrian officer incharge ot finances. He surely carried orders (mandata) from the emperor Vespasian, whom we can imagine repeating Claudius' instruction to Aulus Plautius to 'conquer the rest' (Dio 60.21)." Dougweller ( talk) 13:57, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help with the new, combined Album article style guide. Now that the page has been created, it's even better than I thought it would be. With that being said, I still think this was one of the coolest things ever, so thanks again for that also! — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to ask for more of your scarce time, but I wonder if you could perhaps offer some advice at User talk:Varghesejacob. The editor has some photos taken by his dad and by his dad's assistant, which he scanned, and I'm having trouble getting him to understand that that does not give him copyright. One example is File:AK Antony Portrait.jpg, which he claims as "own work". Any suggestions would be valuable -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 11:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there any way to let the OTRS volunteers know that a user that may e-mail permission may not really understand what they're doing. The background to this query is at User talk:Kery sprm#Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission. I suspect they may well be able to e-mail from an official address (given that they state they work for the organisation in question) but given the conversation on their talk page I'm not sure they would really understand the release they're giving or indeed even by allowed by the organisation to give such a release. Dpmuk ( talk) 13:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
If you have a moment, could you please take a look at the two recent questions at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems regarding Palestinian costumes and Tawfiq Canaan? A few users have expressed frustration that I've added the copyvio tag to several articles and requested a CCI on one user. I would appreciate your input. GabrielF ( talk) 16:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
We are unable to upload a promotional logo image for the Indian soap opera, Saas Bina Sasural. Can you please help us by creating a page notice which will be shown at the top while editing the article or by uploading an image which does not violates the copyrights. Please, we all would be thankful to you. I am a Wikipedian and I am a part of the Wikiproject India, I have been enrolled there to contribute to articles regarding with History of India, Indian culture, Hinduism, spirituality, mythology, Literature, Arts, Daily Soaps (frequently those aired on SONY TV), West Bengal and Kolkata. So please help us, we would be thankful to you. Thanking you, -- Jagadhatri ২০১২ 06:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
{{ subst:Logo rationale | Saas Bina Sasural}}
.User:Firstedit123 has replaced the existing biographical text of Natalia Makarova with this 600-word bio from the American Ballet Theatre, in this edit. I have restored the section to its former state, but could you please notify him/her on their talk page? And also stress that they need to fill out the Edit Summary on every edit that they make? Thank you very much. Softlavender ( talk) 04:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Hi, I left a note and some advice on the editor's talk page. There's a useful non-bitey template for this at Template:Uw-copyright-new. I also added the "Copyright problem removed" template ( Template:Cclean) to Talk:Natalia Makarova. These are useful for keeping track of removals and the source of the copyvio. I always add them when I've removed copyvio from an article. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 08:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, VanemTao. You have new messages at Moonriddengirl's talk page. I was looking for a message and did,nt find it. So ?
I thought maybe I have to write article about international conference what,s going on annualy in Perth ,Western Australia It,s called Buddhism & Australia.
What,s your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanemTao ( talk • contribs) 04:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I recently passed an article through WP:AFC in full knowledge that it had a few issues and had been rejected previously (and some of the concerns addressed thereafter). I did a bit of work on it myself and left a note at Talk:Quazi Golam Dastgir#Copyright issues. A gut feeling about COI has now become more of a reality in the continuation of that thread, but with a twist regarding the potential copyright issues both relating to the text and proposed images. I really, really could use another set of eyes on that thread. The subject matter is notable and I do not see any big issues regarding the creator, who appears to be most amenable to suggestions etc, but we've reached a point where there are several possible solutions & I am not best qualified to advise on which may be the optimum. If you or one of your talk page stalkers could spare the time then I would be grateful. - Sitush ( talk) 00:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi MRG! Could you take a look at the conversation on User talk:Blues power (section: About Javier Vargas). I just wanted to make sure I'm giving him the right advice. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 06:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Moonriddengirl! I hope you can answer this one: you're the Cecil Adams of copyright around here, you know. Here's my query: let's say I want to back something up in, oh, the Led Zeppelin article with an interview quote. Let's say I choose something like... this, from the official YouTube channel. Now, since it is the "official" channel, there is no fear of copyright infringement, I would think. Can we link to official, and only official, YouTube channels like this for refs or external links? If not: why? I eagerly await your advice on this matter! Doc talk 12:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Again you prove why you are the one to ask! Thank you very much for your advice on this, and I can certainly see the "case by case" basis that must be considered. Cheers :> Doc talk 14:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonridden. I don't normally deal with the copyright side of Wikipedia, so I'm not clear on what is currently best practice when one suspects a trove of violations. There was a ticket, Ticket:2012031310001197, that pointed out a copyright violation on Church of Christ in China. I checked, and it's indeed an almost ver batim copy of fragments of this book, published in 1999. Looking at the other contributions of the creator, Phillip J ( talk · contribs), I fear this isn't his only violation. So, yeah, if you could point me in the correct direction...Thanks. Someguy1221 ( talk) 10:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
I was just admiring this terrific article and was not a bit surprised to discover you were its primary author; since I'd been meaning to leave you a note anyway thanking you for your kindness in consulting on "structural paraphrasing" back in January, I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and offer a general thanks for all you do. (I've finally admitted my Wikiholism was too great to keep away and am returning for at least some Watchlist maintenance.) Cheers, and keep up the great work, Khazar2 ( talk) 01:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, you really ought to practice what you preach. You say I must provide a reliable source for my edit, yet your source is unreliable and flawed, as it pertains to the article subject. By extension, if I were to put on the internet somewhere that I intend to find a cure for cancer, then I could create an article about my ability to cure cancer and cite MY OWN claims as a reliable source? Do me a favour. Mullionwitch ( talk) 15:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
When something like this is set up, do you know who makes sure the students understand our guidelines and policies. I've just found someone adding obvious copyvio edits (and signing them) from this project. See my comments at User talk:Sub specie aeternitatis. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 21:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm slowly working through Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Dawkeye02 and have a couple of examples where I'm not sure whether or not there is a problem and would appreciate a second opinion.
Thanks. Nigel Ish ( talk) 21:35, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi . I saw you are quite active at WP:CP and have no idea where to request this, so apologies if this isn't the proper process! This edit added a bunch of copyvio text that remained until I just removed it, with some rewording in between. I guess these historical revisions should be removed from the article, is this something you can action? Thanks, Nik the stoned 12:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
MRG, there's a 3O request in which your name has been mentioned. Unless you're not neutral to that dispute or to the parties (I'm not, so I can't give one), your help would be appreciated if you have the time. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 14:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
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Keep it up! Sidatio ( talk) 15:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
Hi,
I wanted to ask you about the whether text copied and pasted with some modifications from Google translates result's of a foreign-language website constituted copyvio. The article in question is Sochi Police and the history section of the article, which constitutes the bulk of the text, is clearly taken from the Google translate results of this official website] with some modifications. GabrielF ( talk) 00:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
On 20 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that at least five people died due to torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising 2.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
The DYK project ( nominate) 16:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Cool! That was part of the idea behind those lists in the first place: they seemed like good "maps" for filling in the blanks. (Not that I've been diligent about that...) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! You might recall we had a chat here about the possibility of surveying WP to understand the extent of copyright problems. I've spent some time working on possible semi-automatic methodologies, but the essential problem is that all plagiarism detectors assume that the copy you are providing is a one-off, unique document, whereas by its nature WP isn't. :) So a quantitative general survey is going to be tricky. In the meantime, I was curious, so I've been running a small sample look at a particular subject area, as it seems viable to do a quantitative study in a set field: I'm using Australian schools, as I could reasonably expect copyright violations to occur, and the sources are generally fairly limited so they're relativly easy to follow up. At this stage, having completed the first 300 articles, (the target should be about 1000), we're sitting at a very consistent average of about 20-25% containing copyright violations, with a majority of those having significant violations defined as a major portion of the article. That would be conservative, unfortunately, and to be honest I don't see that figure falling. Once I finish I'll go back and collect data on the text, to see if there are any patterns in the time it was added, types of users who added it, or content areas, but my first round is just to collect the initial data. I'm not sure what to do with this when I'm done, although we will have less copyvio on Wikipedia, so that's a plus, but the 20-25% figure is enough of a surprise that I thought you might be interested at an early stage. - Bilby ( talk) 03:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
If a report is leaked to the press by a whistle blower is it still copyrighted? I ask as the Hamoodur Rahman Commission of Inquiry Into the 1971 India-Pakistan War has been used as a source here [37] and a look at the report [38] finds it a little to close to call it paraphrasing in my opinion. Would it be best to remove or just rewrite? Darkness Shines ( talk) 21:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
There is reliable evidence to show that during this period the miscreants indulged in large scale massacres and rape against pro-Pakistan elements, in the towns of Dacca, Narayanganj, Chittagong, Chandragona, Rungamati, Khulna, Dinajpur, Dhakargaoa, Kushtia, Ishuali, Noakhali, sylhet, Maulvi Bazaar, Rangpur, Saidpur, Jessore, Barisal, Mymensingh, Rajshal?, Pabna, Sirojgonj, Comilla, Brahman, Baria, Bogra, Naugaon, Santapur and several other smaller places. [39]
Into the article Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War Darkness Shines ( talk) 12:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) First, an IBAN has nothing to do with copyright; I'm not even going to look into what your IBAN is to answer this question. Second, that quote is WP:WEASELly and does not have a WP:NPOV. "There is reliable evidence" accuses without actually providing said evidence - reliable or otherwise; that it appears in a printed source does provide some special sauce to make this source reliable. It happens that editors will use such quotes and say "it appeared in a reliable source; I'm not making the accusation but merely repeating an accusation someone else made". I highly recommend against that. "Miscreant" is a largely pejorative word; you could get around that by choosing a different one since it has to be paraphrased but still, it calls into question the neutrality of the source. Finally, not having read the article you are trying to put this in, I would ask this: whether you put it in "as is" and have it removed for copyright violation, or you paraphrase it and risk significant discussion and reverts over WP:NPOV, WP:RS, and WP:WEIGHT (among others), I wonder: does it really add anything to the article? Frank | talk 12:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl! I need a copyright expert's insight on a deletion discussion at Commons. It's a tough one, I'm not 100% confident in what I'm arguing, so it'd be a huge help if I could get an experienced user's insight. Note that I've also asked your colleagues Wizardman and MER-C, so if you're too busy to take a look, not to worry! Regards, Osiris ( talk) 00:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
The copyright infringing section was replaced after I tagged it, although I found two sentences in the new version still too similar to the source. Were these enough for the section to be removed or was there more (maybe something from another source) that I didn't notice? Peter E. James ( talk) 00:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I reverted vandalism. Kindly watch to make certain this vandal does not persist. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.25.216.49 ( talk) 07:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This looks to me like a copy and paste copyright violation from the cited source. But I would rather you, or one of your esteemed colleagues, give it a second look. Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore ( talk) 15:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Extra chronology 2. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Extra chronology 2 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Magioladitis ( talk) 17:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Too many fair use images used here, dontcha think? 99.122.238.88 ( talk) 20:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This one has me stumped and I didn't even come across it doing copyright stuff, just normal browsing. This removed the lyrics as a copyright violation and that's where it gets interesting. It would appear that common consensus on the internet (including some almost reliable sources) is that the lyrics are from the 19th century, which would make them well and truly PD (although I suppose there may be some question as to whether they were "published"). However everyone also seems to suggest that the earliest references are from the 1940s. I suspect that this is a reference to the song although it's hard to know for sure. This (under Crofts) is undoubtedly a reference to it but means little for the lyrics if they existed before then. Given the number of covers of this song, including, as far as I can see, the description of the lyrics as traditional in some of those recording, I think that many performers also think the lyrics are PD. However I think this is an impossible case to prove so fear we may have to keep them deleted so thought I'd see if I'd missed something by asking you and also get your opinion. Dpmuk ( talk) 05:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Well, if this is accurate, and I suspect it is, then the lyrics may well still be in copyright. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
This is rather a minor problem, but I would like to know how to do it, if it can be done. In January I realized that some material in Melrose, Florida was a direct copy (from the cited source, which I realized was on-line only after I finally found the hard copy in the library). The copyvio was added three years ago. I removed the copyvio and deleted the series of edits that added it, but there have been a number of edits since the copyvio was added, and it still shows in the intermediate versions in the page history. Is there a way to remove the copyvio from all pages in the history without deleting valid edits? -- Donald Albury 13:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi --
I'd be willing to try to fix the problem at Protestant missions in China 1807–1953. It should be pretty simple if the only offending passages are the three you mention on the talk page. The section on "Missionary Activity, 1860-1900" should be revised in any case, since it puts way too much emphasis on Hudson Taylor. This is pretty straightforward.
But how can I tell whether there is bad material elsewhere? I can't get WikiTrust to work on the old versions.
Thanks for your help.
ch ( talk) 20:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I fully agree with you here. I was the first person to add a copyright violation tag in the article! Will you delete the copyvio template from the article? I'll write a portion in my own language! -- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 12:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your suggestions for Lokenath Brahmachari article! -- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 13:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC) |