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I just added articles on 3 recently identifies species of woolly lemur. Since your interest is in lemurs I figured I would let you know, since I have little information on these and you might have more info to add. Rlendog ( talk) 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to me how I should go about properly uploading images, audio, and video and then linking them into a page. When I first started, I'd use the "Upload file" option from the toolbox on the left-hand side of the screen, but I'm getting the impression that I should upload to the Wikimedia Commons instead. If that's correct, then do I reference the images the same when editing a page, and how do I go about moving the existing media over to the Commons? I'm about to upload more audio and possibly some images within the near future, so I'd like to know how to do things "correctly."
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I'm starting to upload the *.ogg files to Commons (discussed above), but I'm not 100% certain about the category options. So far I've uploaded 3 files: Lemur_catta--moan1.ogg, Lemur_catta--moan2.ogg, Lemur_catta--click_series_&_yaps.ogg. For the category, I used "Lemur catta" (which exists) and "Lemur catta vocalizations" (which does not exist). Is that right? Do I need to create the category page (and if so, how?), or should I just put these files in the category "Lemur catta" only? There are nearly 60 files coming, so it won't be a small category. Furthermore, there are an undetermined number of calls that I'll be uploading for numerous lemur species in the near future, so what I do here will likely be repeated for other species. Please advise. Visionholder ( talk) 21:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I responded to your question on my talk page. In short, I think the first step to getting the article to Featured Article status is to get it to Good Article status. In my opinion the article should be pretty close already, but I have little experience in that regard. In any case, I hope the article does get to GA and then to FA, and I'll do whatever I can to help make that happen. Rlendog ( talk) 02:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you. Josh3580 user / talk / hist 05:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
There were some recent major edits to the Red Ruffed Lemur article that you may want to take a look at. [1] At first glance the changes seem ok to me. Rlendog ( talk) 17:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Visionholder, welcome to wikipedia. I respoonse to your question, I think Ring-tailed lemur is fairly far from FAC, but you could submit it af WP:FAT, where I am a member. Cheers, — §unday b 19:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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For your work on lemurs, including getting WP:PRIMATE its first top importance Good Article, I hereby award the Mammal Barnstar to Visionholder Rlendog ( talk) 02:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Danilot ( talk) 19:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC) |
By the way, I responded to your note on my talk page. I'd be happy to join the FA effort. Rlendog ( talk) 02:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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I am in the process of creating major re-writes of the Ruffed lemur (genus), Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur (species), and Red Ruffed Lemur (species) pages. The two species of ruffed lemur have few differences, and since most people are likely to search on "ruffed lemur" rather than a specific species, it looks like the genus page will contain most of the information about these species. However, I'm confused about how much information to put on the individual species pages, especially the Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur, which has 3 subspecies. (There is information about differences in range, conservation status, and looks for the subspecies, but that's about it. So do I create separate pages for the subspecies?) How much information should I repeat on the species page without being too redundant?
This is an important question for me since I am also planning to re-write the Brown lemur pages, which also have many simiilar species that only recently were granted full species status. Again, the information will be redundant for species and shared by the genus. - Visionholder ( talk) 17:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
See http://www.duke.edu/web/mind/level2/faculty/liz/publications.html, which has full text PDFs. Budding Journalist 03:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to the project. If you need help, just grab me. OhanaUnited Talk page 03:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
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The IUCN link for the Common Brown Lemur is now generating an error - "The page you were looking for doesn't exist." when I click on the "Eulemur fulvus" link. Do you know what code IUCN is now using for this species? Right now the Wikipedia article uses 8200. Rlendog ( talk) 02:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions, and good luck for your GAN! - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Great job on ruffed lemur! BTW, I posted a capitalization question here. — Wknight94 ( talk) 13:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder: You've written an excellent article on ruffed lemurs! I'm headed to Madagascar for the first time next month, so read it with interest—I have a lot to learn before I go. I'll try to get some "in the wild" pictures of whatever species I can find there, and will let you know when I've had a chance to upload them. MeegsC | Talk 20:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Oustanding job! I nominated the article for a DYK. Rlendog ( talk) 13:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I didn't see your question until late last night, but I see you decided to use the gallery. In my opinion, that's fine. I would just note that the FAC reviewers generally don't like galleries. In this case it makes sense (and even has a title other than "gallery" that fits it to the article content), but there still may be pushback. If there is, I was thinking that the toothcomb picture looks great, and could easily be fit as a thumb photo on the right side of the anatomy section. Maybe the toilet claw can be sqeezed in on its own too, but that may be pushing it. I was thinking that maybe one of the scecnt gland photos can go with the Olifactory Communication section, but you already have a better photo that takes up all the available photo space. Maybe some of the photos could be moved to the Conservation section, if necessary, since those are photo-less, but they don't have a direct connection to that text. But, anyway, I think it's fine where it is and if there is pushback in the FAC review, we can figure out the best approach to resolve it then. Rlendog ( talk) 17:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
With respect to your comments on the Primate article, I think you are actually the best person to address most of them. After all, you are one of the most currently active members of the Primate WikiProject, and you probably know more about lemurs (the focus of most of your comments) than anyone here. Why don't you take a crack at the changes? Just make sure the changes are either supported by existing references, or you have a reliable source for the new information. The one item I think I disagree with is the last - I think the wording that "Primates can be vectors for certain diseases" seems fine. Even if some primates may not be, it doesn't say "All primates can...", and an article like this necessarily needs to deal in generalities, and it be unwieldy to address all the exceptions to every generalization. Rlendog ( talk) 18:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
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Regarding the pass of Ring-tailed lemur at FAC, I award you this barnstar for the enormous volume of research and work that went into the article. And don't worry, I'll give the prose some massage if necessary. :) Congrats! — Ceran♦ (Sing) (It's snowing in NJ already!) 22:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC) |
Excellent job!!!! Our first top-importance primate article. Rlendog ( talk) 00:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
You should also be eligible for Triple Crown recognition Rlendog ( talk) 00:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations and well deserved! One of the best I've read in a long time!-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again for the Barnstar. I am really touched. Ironically, I was about to ask you for some help, following up on some advice you gave me a couple of months ago. Based on your asssistance, I figured out how to make range maps for the White-headed Capuchin and Mantled Howler on MS Paint. Unfortunately, the best maps I found at the time to start with were world maps. So when the maps are incorporated into the little taxobox, the ranges are almost invisible, since Central America is so skinny. I have since found maps of the Americas, but I don't think that would help much since the maps would still be very compressed. I also found a map of Central America, but what I actually need is just Central America plus Colombia and Ecuador. Do you know how to remove the rest of the world except Central America, Colombia and Ecuador from these maps? I think the other Central American monkeys I plan to work on should be okay, since Geoffroy's Spider Monkey and Central American Squirrel Monkey both have ranges entirely within Central America (and with the latter I may be able to use just a Costa Rica map if it shows a little bit of Panama. Thanks for your help. Rlendog ( talk) 02:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi and apologies for the delay before acknowledging your message. Once you know how you're going to proceed with the fundraising, let me know (e.g. point me to a message on your user page?) and I'll respond accordingly. The idea of a minimum starting amount W followed by X/Y/Z dollars bonus per DYK/GA/FA awarded (where Z>Y>X) sounds reasonable -- what sort of amounts for W and X/Y/Z do you think would be realistic? Sardanaphalus ( talk) 12:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I would've contacted you via e-mail but I don't know how to do it, if it's even possible. I've been browsing the site for lemur articles for ages and I recently noticed some of the things you've added. You've really made some fantastic additions- you can't imagine how much I appreciate someone working so hard to weed out all the lemur misinformation floating around on Wiki! I'm a fellow lemur enthusiast, and I'm a person of information. One of my biggest pet peeves is seeing false information floating around to mislead people- Especially when it's on the subject of lemurs! Although I've been trying to expand a bit on certain lemur articles (purely to get all the misinformation off of them), I've had limited resources for some things and really I don't know much at this point. As such, I'm thrilled to see someone as lemur-wise as you revising these pages! Meanwhile I can barely figure out how to make a link in an article (I'm completely new to Wikipedia editing).
I was especially impressed by your additions to the L. catta page, namely the photographs of their distinctive anatomical features. I'd tried for the longest time to take clear photos of those features with the lemurs I worked with, unfortunately my camera wasn't fit for the job and the animals happened to be awake at the time of my attempts so I could never get a shot of the toothcomb. They're amazing photos and they'll help people out a lot in understanding these traits and in realizing how unique and beautiful lemurs are!
Thanks again for all you've done and, if you're ever in the mood to discuss anything lemur-related, I'm always in the mood to talk! Lemurness ( talk) 03:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated Lemur catta spur and antebrachial gland.jpg ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz talk 04:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
You know there used to be an image that was an FP for ring-tailed lemur... — Ceran( dream / discover) 23:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! As a previous reviewer of Primate at FAC it would be great if you could have another look at the article. The FAC has been restarted, and any comments would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Jack ( talk) 17:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on Ring-tailed Lemur - I see you overcame some pointers during the FAC so nice job. May you wear the crowns well. Cirt ( talk) 23:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Visionholder. Haven't seen you around much lately. I have been considering doing a minor expansion of Collared Brown Lemur. I know that is on your "to do" list, and I am sure when you get to it you will have a lot more to add than I do. But before I did anything I wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on your toes. Rlendog ( talk) 17:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Dravecky ( talk) 15:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
There has recently been editing activity around the genus Eulemur, in particular attempting to split Eulemur rufifrons from Eulemur rufus, and assign E. rufifrons to the Red-fronted Lemur article and create a new " Red Lemur" article for E. rufus. This seems to be based on a comment in the E. rufus 2008 IUCN entry speculating on a possible split. But there is a paper that was published in December 2008 by Mittermeier, et al, that may create a basis for this split. [2] But I cannot access the paper. What do you think? Rlendog ( talk) 20:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I've added a new category to Commons, for pictures of/from America's Teaching Zoo. I noticed three of your lemur pictures were geo-tagged for ATZ, but I thought you might have additional pictures that you hadn't geo-tagged that could be added to that category.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 11:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Gatoclass ( talk) 03:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I have 1 granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Juliancolton | Talk 04:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I have blurred (a LITTLE) and cropped the image you ordered at Graphic Lab. Check it out by copying and pasting "File:Gray Mouse Lemur 1.JPG" into your Wikipedia search bar. Tell me what you think by replying on my talk page. You can reply on my talk page by clicking here. If you do not like what I did (I put some hard work into it, how dare you!), you can click here and your image will automatically be reset to its original state. Cheers! -- Goldblattster ( talk) 21:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Royal broil 14:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Your photo of the lemur's toothcomb... what angle was that taken from? It looks like it was taken from the inside facing out! DS ( talk) 12:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have made many unnecessary edits to Wikipedia, if you remember. I experimented once, changing the "Watermelon" entry to something completely absurd. It took several hours to change. Why is it so easy for people to edit pages, often vandalizing the page? I propose stricter standards for editing, in order to make Wikipedia a reliable and accurate source of information. Some classrooms ban the use of Wikipedia for projects and research in their classrooms, as they consider it an unreliable and often inaccurate source. My hope is that Wikipedia can become a true encyclopedia, not a think tank, and that everyone can come to use it as a completely valid research site. myfi ddyfodiad.
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I'm glad you got all settled in! Hurray for the rewrite!
I know I'm probably violating some Wikipedia provision for advertising, but have you been to the
Duke University Lemur Center by the way? If you haven't, at this time of year I would recommend an early morning tour before it gets too hot and the lemurs hide in their boxes. If you want to arrange a tour
this page has the instructions. You may be able to take some nice pictures.Silly me, you're working there. My reading retention needs some work...
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Regarding resources, if you hit paywalls with anything, then it may be worthwhile to take a day trip to the Duke University library where the academic access should let you view most things. Also, the library is pretty darn nice to work in. If you don't have a car, the Durham #6 Data bus gets you pretty close to the Bostock/Perkins library. (The bus stop is by the entrance to the gardens closest to the chapel; you'll have to hike up a hill to the quad with the library on it.)
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Congrats [5]. Now you're practically tied with me! :) ceran thor 22:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm offline. :) ceran thor 14:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Before you submit the article to FAC, I'd suggest some lead work and perhaps a PR. I haven't looked over the prose because I'm busy helping at an FAR. ceran thor 11:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
So Why 01:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
So Why 01:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Using scientific names only for titles - there are pros and cons too. For birds common names are potentially more stable than scientific ones as genetic analysis becomes more prevalent more and more birds are being moved around between different genera. There are also ease of use questions and finally, have you seen the fights over scientific names that the plant people have? They go on and on and on! Personally I favour allowing each project as much leeway as possible to work out what works for their field. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
To answer your question, I primarily use fossil reconstructions given in scientific publications as a basis for my illustrations. For example, I based my reconstruction of Palaeopropithecus ingens on a figure found in a chapter of the book Natural Change and Human Impact in Madagascar (specifically "Lemurs:Old and New" by E. L. Simons). Less frequently I will use other life reconstructions as a guideline for my illustrations (my reconstruction of Archaeolemur majori is partly based on another figure in that same publication that provided an illustration of the animal). If I cannot access any more reconstructions from scientific publications to use as a basis for illustrations, I will use images I find from various websites, such as this photograph found in the blog Dots in Deep Time, in which I used the fossil skull to the left as a basis for the head of A. majori in my illustration. I've noticed that very few of the illustrations of extinct organisms produced by Wikipedia's users provide references in their description pages, but I suppose that due to the often fragmentary nature of available fossil specimens, many of these illustrations are highly speculative reconstructions that can be challenged with the discovery of new, previously unknown material from an organism. Thanks for your suggestion; I think it would greatly improve the quality and verifiability of Wikipedia's coverage of extinct organisms. I'll make sure to provide references for all my future illustrations and attempt to provide references for my current ones, too. Smokeybjb ( talk) 18:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello Visionholder. Just wondering, how's the Lemur article going? Any plans for GA/FA (the Primates portal needs more of those)? And speaking of portals, still interested in making the Lemur portal? Let me know if you need any help. Zoo Fari 18:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Thanks for the mail. My work on Lemures was mere partial salvage, I'm afraid. Off the top of my head, "Remuria" as antecedent is an interesting but spurious late Roman etymology - I forget whose, but will look it up and post my sources here. Quite honestly, I doubt you'll find more than "etymology unknown" but I agree, the web-page you linked to is not adequate citation. Lewis and short's Latin dictionary is available online at perseus.org, but is an ancient nightmare to use and larded with rather out-of-date scholarship. As it happens I'm creating a page to be titled "Spirits of the dead in Ancient Rome", or somesuch, so the answer to your query will be doubly useful. Regards. Haploidavey ( talk) 12:52, 5 September 2009(UTC)
PS: I'd not use the original source you linked to. "Larva" is originally and straightforwardly a mask, with the scary, extended sense coming later as probably a low factoid: they differ from lemures, who remain just beyond the margins of visibilty but horribly close at hand (don't look behind you!). Perhaps the website authors have got hold of some fairly ancient source that gives credence to Ovid's or Horace's guesstymology and Porphyry's commentary on both - his take on the lares seems a downright bizarre bit of folk etymology. Augustine seems to have a better grasp on the matter. Sorry, I'll shut up now and have my weekend. Haploidavey ( talk) 17:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Visionholder. Saw your note about an etymology for lemures on the Haploidavey talk page.
The OLD offers a tentative etymology for the Latin word lemur as connected to lamia, with a possible link also to Greek λαμυρός, lamuros, "greedy." I dimly recall that T.P. Wiseman's book Remus touches on this (limited preview online via Google Books), because of the spurious etymology (from Ovid) relating to the festival names Lemuria/Remuria. Steven Green has a note on the problematic nature of the etymology in his commentary on Ovid's Fasti 1.
I think, though, that the "real" etymology (in terms of scientific linguistics) is kinda irrelevant. If you're looking to give an etymology for how the critters got their name, you should probably go to your local library and dig into the full-sized Oxford English Dictionary. Online, people (such as the LA Zoo) seem to be under the impression that the Romans themselves called the animals lemures because of their nocturnal habits and startling eyes, like the ghosts. I find no evidence that the Romans used the word for any animal. And it's unlikely, isn't it, that an ancient Roman would have seen an animal native to Madagascar? They never went anywhere near that far south in Africa, and I'm not sure they imported many small exotic animals that couldn't be featured at the games or used for entertainment (like simians).
I suspect that Latin-educated European naturalists or adventurers applied the term to the animals in the modern era. If so, it's enough to know that Latin lemures referred to a kind of ghost or nocturnal apparition; anything more is probably irrelevant to your purpose. According to the Wikipedia article on the island, European contact with Madagascar only began around 1500. Do you know at what point the animal starts getting mentioned in the literature? It wouldn't surprise me if it got its name lemur in the 19th century, because there's a touch of Gothic Romanticism about it. If you find an answer in the OED, I'd love to know. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, guess what? The OED was completely unhelpful. It records first usage in 1798 for the animal; however, the context assumes we already know what a lemur is:
tr. Thunberg’s Cape Gd. Hope (ed. 2) II. 206: "This species of Lemur somewhat resembles a cat, with its long tail, diversified with black and white ringlets"
So apparently this has a non-Anglophone origin. This mystery has brought out my dogged streak; I don't like to be defeated on these matters. Cynwolfe ( talk) 22:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Yep, this has been fun, but the wall has been hit. I couldn't decipher the abbreviations for two of the three sources, only the first, to which I can find no further clues. I did find indications via Google Books that you can obtain a solid source to say that Linnaeus named them, and I think you can assert on the basis of these that drawing a name from mythology is in keeping with his practice in nomenclature. Let me know if you can't find what you need and I'll dig them back up.
But I have to thank you because I found looking at the Systema naturae in the original so fascinating! I see what Strindberg meant about the poetry when L. says things like placida et tranquilla murmurat ut Felis (there's your catta nomenclature: "When it's peaceful and quiet, it purrs like a cat"). I'm not following what he means about the eyes; he says the pupil makes a perpendicular line by day, and is big and round at night (I can't read the letters in the word before erat), then he wonders an sic natura vel fato? "Is it this way by nature, or by fate?" What does fate mean in that context? Hand of God, intelligent design? I hadn't realized before I saw the actual text how he framed his taxonomy as a tribute to Jehovah with Homo at the pinnacle. That religion and science weren't considered antithetical until quite recently in human history always takes me by surprise. Many thanks for your patience. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
You may have noticed that the Koala Lemur RfD nomination resulted in a keep. I have tagged it with {{R from other capitalisation}} which automatically places it in the "Unprintworthy redirects" category. If a similar situation arises where you want to get rid of a redirect (or article) that only you have contributed to, you can try for a spedy deletion under WP:CSD#G7 (author requests deletion) by placing a {{db-author}} template at the top of the page, or better yet, by providing a deletion rationale by filling in the argument of that template: {{db-author|rationale=DeletionRationale}}.
When I first saw the nomination, I was certain that it was the result of a play on words with Kuala Lumpur. Best of luck with you lemur plans. -- ToE T 08:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be several pretty short articles getting GAed lately, such as Eriskay Pony. As such, you may want to take a shot at Collared Brown Lemur when you get back after all. Hope all is going well! Rlendog ( talk) 05:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
...and a happy new year (thought I might as well be the first). Good to know things went well - considerably better, I'm sure, than the Lemures re-write, which is proving to be, um, protracted and probably best achieved in the decent and silent darkness of my PC. Still, not-really-finishing anything's why we're here, eh? Not that that should apply to you, of course. Best regards, Haploidavey ( talk) 23:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Greetings, The Wikipedia:WikiProject AP Biology 2009 has been a love - hate relationship; fraught with frustrations and celebrations. For those students who connect, the experience has been transforming. It shows in the confidence they gain from being part of a truly intellectual community. For the sand baggers and pretenders it is utter hell. From a teacher's perspective; I'm not certain. Each year I think --- never again. Then out of no where comes words of encouragement which reminds me to focus on the positives. Thanks.
Hope you had a nice time in Madagascar!I see you're uploading your lemur shots, you didn't, by any chance, take any birdie shots too? :) Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I saw your category redirects at Category:Aotidae and Category:Callitrichidae. I have nothing against these redirects, but please be informed that the right way to do this is to nominate them at WP:CFD. Debresser ( talk) 17:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I saw a couple of your edits on my watchlist, and just a quick note: HotCat enables you to remove and add a category at the same time using the ± button ( example). Ucucha 23:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be Category:Sakis and uakaris? Ucucha 14:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. Just a note on the whole process: I'm not terribly thrilled with how the community handled this. In the nomination, I specifically asked if I should create the categories for the splits, and no one replied. For the category that still existed, they moved things over. The other categories were just deleted, dumping articles outside of the primate categories. Not very professional IMO. Anyway, they probably need to do a better job formalizing the process of splitting categories. – VisionHolder « talk » 15:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I haven't chatted with you in a while. How's life? ceran thor 16:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
hadros means thick, stout according to the OED:
hadrosaur (subscription required), Oxford English Dictionary (2 ed.), Oxford University Press, 1989, retrieved 2010-02-19
Shubinator ( talk) 06:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Overheard your exchange with Ucucha about the above and thought I'd drop a lit search on the talk page. Got your email, will reply later tonight or this weekend. Sasata ( talk) 19:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 06:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll take a look this weekend! I'm busy tonight and tomorrow with the fights!-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:32, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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Materialscientist ( talk) 12:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, cool about the lemur plans! I find it a bit difficult to tell what's going on though when subfamilies like Hapalemurinae don't appear in List of lemur species#Taxonomic classification, and also I think where possible the taxonomic classification should mention the common name. Also the articles in the topics should be in the same order as the classification. It's hard for me to check things over when these things are different, and these would certainly need to be cleared up before the topics could be promoted. I'm also confused why there are less than 8 families in the Lemur topic, despite being 8 listed in the list of Lemur species - rst20xx ( talk) 23:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry that I missed your reply in the morning. I have merged most of the topics, except for the Mouse lemur topic. If you feel that it should be merged into Cheirogaleidae as well, let me know. Everything should still be in order, although the column breaks may need adjusted. Again, the topic I'm most shaky on is the Lemur topic. Once you get a chance, please look it over and feel free to edit the page to tweak it. Sorry to take up so much of your time. I really appreciate your feedback. On the bright side, it will reduce the amount of work when I submit for FT in the future. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Visionholder, wondering if you have time/interest to call in over at Talk:Frugivore where there is POV problem related to interpretations of the term "obligate frugivore" with respect to primates, with one editor wishing to represent that humans are obligate. Perhaps your knowledge of a frugivore more obligate than H. sapiens sapiens (!) - and not that obligate at that!! - and your information organisation background might enable a more representative outcome there. Good luck with finishing your pages soon! Trev M ~ 19:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
If you ever want to improve your identifying skills, you might want to look at commons:Category:Unidentified Primates. There's a couple of lemurs in there too. Ucucha 00:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice job with the Collared Brown Lemur article! I will have to use that as a template when I get ready to expand lesser studied species, like Geoffroy's Tamarin for GA nominations. Rlendog ( talk) 20:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't mean to imply that you had any evil motives in sending Pearl to the Human page, and I should have worded that differently. The way I see it, moving the discussion with her to a more heavily edited (read: defended) venue was actually a pretty good tactical move; it'll be harder for her to screw up that article than the other. >.>
...I only said "to make trouble" because that does seem to be exactly what she means to do. I can't believe she's still citing sources nearly three hundred years old. :(
J.M. Archer ( talk) 14:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I think you duplicated some material on Callitrichidae: the last paragraph talks about social organization again. And the article should decide whether it uses British or American spelling. Ucucha 03:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
But please do not just replace an image with at least a sharp face with another with blurry faces. If you insist, add your image in another paragraph. There are spaces in this article. Thanks. See your changes. Fred Hsu ( talk) 20:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Ucucha 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I saw that you'd gone to the meetup and now I see lemur as a DYK hook? You've been working hard, my friend. Hope life is treating you well... I've been trying to keep up with you with a couple articles I'm pushing to FA right now ( Cerro Azul (Chile volcano) is at FAC and David A. Johnston is in the works). Glad to hear about the new efforts. ceran thor 01:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey VisionHolder. I replaced two IMDb sources with legit news sources, since IMDb is not considered a reliable source. I think Indiantelevision.com is OK, although if you can find something to replace it, I'd suggest you do so. I didn't find anything right away. The other source in that last paragraph is perfectly fine, obviously. I basically just did a Google News Search to come up with the two sources I subbed out for the IMDb. Hope that was helpful, but let me know if you need any further help. I have very limited access to Lexis Nexis, but if you desperately need something in particular cited, maybe I can dig something up. (By the way, titles of movies and TV shows should be italicized, so I italicized a few that I noticed were not.) — Hun ter Ka hn 01:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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For truly amazing work with Lemur and Lemur evolutionary history. Improvement of broader, more fundamental articles like Lemur (rather than, say, a small subspecies of lemur) is a gigantic task. Great job! Staxringold talk contribs 01:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) |
I responded on my talk page as per your request. Bob the Wikipedian ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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For your excellent continued work on lemurs, I award you this barnstar. Rlendog ( talk) 15:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC) |
Thank you very much! I'm looking forward to the day you do more content creation with the New World monkeys (or even Old World monkeys). You do good work, and I would love to see WP:PRIMATES start to fill out a bit more. – VisionHolder « talk » 18:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Visionholder, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autoreviewer right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autoreviewer right, see Wikipedia:Autoreviewer. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! FASTILY (TALK) 04:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
If you have a moment and feel like commenting, the FAC for Lemur evolutionary history has been restarted. Your comments and/or support would be greatly appreciated. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Visionholder. Sasata told me about your work on organisating citations, e.g. at Lemur - I like the way Lemur handles chapters / contributions of books. I've looked at this and some ideas of my own, and I'd be grateful if you could contribution at my Talk page. -- Philcha ( talk) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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For an elegant way to organise citations of books that consist chapters or contribs that also need to be cited - e.g. at Lemur -- Philcha ( talk) 22:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC) |
Hi! I am translating this and some others on the subject to greek for the Greek Wikipedia. I just wanted to say that I am amazed by your work there! Thank you very much. And I am waiting to read about Subfossil lemurs. Regards! -- Egmontaz♤ talk 18:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm no expert on Fair Use, which is why I nodded through your multiple images, but they are real sticklers at FAC, and I think there is a good chance that you will be challenged (I had a photo (not mine) of a 4000 year-old hieroglyph deleted because it was carved in stone, therefore three-dimensional and not protected by PD-art). If you can get an email from CI positively giving permission your use, that would, I think solve the problem. you would need to leave a message explaining the details on the article's talk page and send an email forwarding the CI message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for instructions. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Great work! Little Mountain 5 23:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Hey...Just wanna say thanks for clearing that up...UtherSRG wasn't much help... Bonjour! Je m'appelle lcb1994 talk 06:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
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Is it possible to make a image of the proposed grid including A-Class? Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 06:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good articles#New proposal related to the FA star proposal above, I strongly urge you to withdraw the proposal at WP1.0. It wasn't well thought out (as shown by failure to include A-class) and Stub-to-C class are assigned too easily. Solve one issue (GA symbol in mainspace) first before tackling others. OhanaUnited Talk page 10:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I see that you've moved the Primate template to a more standardised name. As part of the unreferenced BLP fight, we have been getting DASHBot to make lists of UBLPs by WikiProject daily, but they rely on using the actual template name, not a redirect. If you have moved other templates, can you please have a look at User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects/Templates and update any other templates that you've moved, and maybe you could use the list to target other templates to be standardised - but please update the Dashbot list so our daily lists continue to work. Thanks, The-Pope ( talk) 15:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, am happy to have changed my listing on Lemur at WP:FAC from comments to support. Great work. -- bodnotbod ( talk) 15:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I just expanded the Cryptoprocta spelea article with whatever I could find. It's still rather thin, though, and I wondered whether you perhaps had some more information in your Madagascar books. If not, I'll send it to GAN and perhaps to FAC if there is space in between all the rice rats. Ucucha 20:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh... it also mentions that there is no proof that it fed on lemurs... it's a conclusion from extrapolation... – VisionHolder « talk » 21:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
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... for the barnstar and the feedback! Keep following the seals, and maybe some day they will rise in the estimation of a lemurologist out of the "grey area between low and mid importance", into that dusky place between "upper low and lower middling". I'll do my damndest! Eliezg ( talk) 11:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure you have it watched, but just in case I've added a comment to the Indri talk. On an entirely separate issue, please note that reverts by WP:TW strictly is for vandalism. No offence was taken (and I am completely sure none was meant), but some might feel otherwise when having their non-vandalims edits reverted like that. Regardless, good work on the lemur articles. 212.10.95.14 ( talk) 10:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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Notice it doesn't say 'beginning to end' this time. :) Again, great job! Little Mountain 5 14:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I've been creating a few more articles on Madagascan mammals (working on Triaenops menamena now; bats are fun, because their taxonomy is exceedingly confused), but I have a few questions for you.
I'd like to make range maps on the basis of File:Madagascar range map template.svg, but it would be best to have them consistent with the ones you made, so I'd like to know how you did that (with Inkscape?). (I already made File:Triaenops distribution.png and File:Paratriaenops distribution.png from a different template, but both extend beyond the region your template covers.)
Also, I'm considering buying Garbutt's (2007) Mammals of Madagascar; do you have anything to say about that book? Ucucha 20:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Should an incorrect labeling have crept in somewhere I'm sorry ;-) I deliberately limited the number of different maps, since I already had my fair share of argy-bargy with Commons and Wiki about what is "necessary" and what not ;-P In general I have two fields of interest (and thus contribution) on Wiki: Sciences (Planetology, Astronomy, Paleontology, Geosciences) and History/(Ethno-)Geography (European/German history, Languages and their distribution etc). Currently I'm more busy on the German Wiki and only tweaking some bits on linguistics here on the English one ;-) See you around, Mr. Dunkel (nice name btw :p )
He kept them at his home at Grim's Dyke. Two of his lemurs mated (apparently to everyone's surprise), and the baby was named Paul. I don't have the two articles that are cited, but I saw them not long ago, and they have photos of the lemurs and are fairly detailed. I don't know how authoritative their claims were that Paul was the first bred in captivity. Both articles were printed in major British magazines of the day, but they are "society" pieces. Gilbert likely got that information from someone at the London Zoo or else from the animal dealer who helped him obtain his various imported pets. In any case, all I can suggest is to check London news databases from about 1905 to 1911, when Gilbert died. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently writing about the bat Paratriaenops auritus, and its IUCN account says it occurs in a protected area, the Daraina forest. Bearing in mind what you told me yesterday, this may not be an easy question to answer, but do you know anything about this reserve? From the Golden-crowned Sifaka article, I got the impression that the forest at Daraina was not protected. Ucucha 19:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
“ | A new conservation site was just declared in the Daraina region in June 2005 thanks largely to the efforts of Association Fanamby, a Malagasy non-governmental organization, and Conservation International. This 20,000-ha protected area complex will be managed by Association Fanamby in collaboration with the Ministry of Water and Forests. | ” |
— Russell A. Mittermeier, et al., Lemurs of Madagascar, First Edition |
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Materialscientist ( talk) 18:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
On Elephant Bird you re-assessed the article, and you knocked it down to a start. However, your explanation is rather vague. Maybe, to help others fix it, you could place on Elephant Birds Talk page a more detailed explanation for this downgrade. Thanks for your time. speednat ( talk) 17:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am reviewing this GA nomination of yours and have made some comments at Talk:Fossa (animal)/GA1. Thanks, Xtzou ( Talk) 14:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The giant fossa is now at FAC. Do you think I should add you as a co-nominator, in view of your contributions? Ucucha 14:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
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-- Cirt ( talk) 18:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder! I am just stopping by to ask if you would like to visit the featured article review for Krill (the review page can be found at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Krill/archive1)? An editor has done quite a bit of work on the article, but I would like to get the opinions of a couple of biology people who are active at FAC before I close the review. Thanks in advance if you have the time and interest; if not, no biggie! Dana boomer ( talk) 01:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Nice job at Talk:Mesozoic_mammals of Madagascar/GA1. I didn't realize you were into paleo as well. And it was clever to choose an experienced nominator and reviewer! -- Philcha ( talk) 06:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Do you think Faune de Madagascar merits an article?
Also, I was thinking we could eventually make (or I could make, if you prefer to keep to lemurs) a featured topic on Malagasy mammals in general. Below, I put one possibility of what that would look like. However, I'm not sure about many of the details. We have a list of lemur species, but I'm not sure about how to do that with some of the other major groups of mammals. For the euplerids, a list would probably be rightly considered a content fork. For the nesomyines and tenrecs, the species number is a bit higher, but I am not quite sure whether it would be a good idea to give them separate lists. I think it's possible to write a separate article Mammals of Madagascar, but I wonder whether we will also need List of mammals of Madagascar—especially when there are species lists for each of the subgroups. What do you think? Ucucha 18:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Don't we need an article on Central Highlands (Madagascar)? (By the way, I noticed that you use both "central highlands" and "Central Highlands" in Subfossil lemur. I think the capitalized version is correct, since it is a defined biogeographical region; the literature also often (always?) capitalizes it.) Ucucha 11:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I've left some comments on your nomination. Thanks.. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 12:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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-- BorgQueen ( talk) 17:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I approved your article over there! I'm largely inactive on WN at the minute, but I saw your post on ITN/C and thought I'd take a trip over! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Can you please change your signature to something less garish? It's quite irritating, especially when used on project pages like WP:GAN. -- erachima talk 16:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Please don't get upset about Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal:_Article_rating_systems_as_an_informative_tool_about_vetting. I expected you most enjoying working on articles, and other tasks as just chores to be endured from time to time - that's how I feel. I was also about to comment on the discourtesy shown to you by another editor, but that editor has already shown further discourtesy. In the UK, where I live, there's a saying, "don't let the bastards wear you down". -- Philcha ( talk) 19:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
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Do you know the journal Malagasy Nature and/or a way to get access to it? I need an article published there to write on Miniopterus majori (the only Malagasy Miniopterus without cryptic species in it, apparently). There is a publication announcement here and I e-mailed the organization that runs the journal, but I'm not sure how successful that will be. Ucucha 18:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason you switched the reference format on Ring-tailed Lemur? I was looking at the FA criteria a few days ago and they didn't seem to indicate that a particular style was needed or preferred, just that it be consistent. But I am not sure if I missed some change that may be relevant to another article I am trying to get to FA. Rlendog ( talk) 03:23, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
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Ealdgyth - Talk 16:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Read your page, and it's one of the few where I'm compelled to read the whole thing on my own time. Mmm, lemurs. So, you're a zookeeper or what? :) Anyway I'm here to ask if your comments here are still standing, if they are not you should enclose them in a {{ hidden}} tag and note that they are withdrawn. Res Mar 13:44, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Apparently, a new species of euplerid, Salanoia durrelli, has just been published; it's from the Lake Alaotra area. It's covered on Tetrapod Zoology, but I haven't been able to locate the actual paper yet. I'd like to write the article soon and get it on ITN—if I can find the description, that is. Ucucha 19:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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Courcelles 12:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but please do clarify it. Chrisrus ( talk) 05:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
I've tried to get together the reports so far (including those already cited in the article):
You already got most of those, I guess. I think they, together with Red List accounts should be sufficient to get the essential information (distribution and threats) for all of the formerly listed species. Ucucha 21:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
There's one more... complexity. 2004–2006 lists Ateles hybridus brunneus "Brown spider monkey" and 2006–2008 and 2008–2010 list Ateles hybridus "Variegated spider monkey". A. h. brunneus is one of two subspecies of this species, and the 2006–2008 and 2008–2010 listings apparently cover both subspecies. I think we should remove brunneus from the "Formerly listed" table and add a footnote to the main list to clarify that the 2004 listing of Ateles hybridus applied only to subspecies brunneus. Ucucha 17:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder, I noticed you added this ref in Lemur and Lemur evolutionary history, should this be added and in List of lemur species#Taxonomic classification too? And another question, in List of lemur species, although there is a {{ main}} template in "Extinct species" section linking to subfossil lemur, there isn't any such link in the lead (only subfossil is linked). Do you think a link there would be appropriate? Thank you in advance!-- Egmontaz♤ talk 07:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:FCDW/3000. Cheers, Res Mar 00:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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Great work! Little Mountain 5 22:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I see you're the one that mostly has been involved in this article so I'm posting it here. There is a minor inaccuracy in the sections 'Former list members' and 'List history'. The Black-headed Spider Monkey in its entirety was not listed in 2006. Only Ateles f. fusciceps ( Brown-headed Spider Monkey) was listed, comparable to the listing of Trachypithecus p. poliocephalus in various years. I guess the problem happened because they only used the species name (A. fusciceps) in the 2008 list when trying to explain why it was not included again, but they did specify by calling it the Ecuadorean spider monkey (Ateles f. fusciceps only known for certain from Ecuador, but according to IUCN may also occur in adjacent SW Colombia). I would have corrected it, but I'm not sure how to deal with the threats section in the table, which currently deals with both subspecies. There's not any photos of the real subspecies on wiki. All, including the one currently used in the table, are the marginally more common A. f. rufiventris. 212.10.95.14 ( talk) 15:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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I just added articles on 3 recently identifies species of woolly lemur. Since your interest is in lemurs I figured I would let you know, since I have little information on these and you might have more info to add. Rlendog ( talk) 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to me how I should go about properly uploading images, audio, and video and then linking them into a page. When I first started, I'd use the "Upload file" option from the toolbox on the left-hand side of the screen, but I'm getting the impression that I should upload to the Wikimedia Commons instead. If that's correct, then do I reference the images the same when editing a page, and how do I go about moving the existing media over to the Commons? I'm about to upload more audio and possibly some images within the near future, so I'd like to know how to do things "correctly."
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I'm starting to upload the *.ogg files to Commons (discussed above), but I'm not 100% certain about the category options. So far I've uploaded 3 files: Lemur_catta--moan1.ogg, Lemur_catta--moan2.ogg, Lemur_catta--click_series_&_yaps.ogg. For the category, I used "Lemur catta" (which exists) and "Lemur catta vocalizations" (which does not exist). Is that right? Do I need to create the category page (and if so, how?), or should I just put these files in the category "Lemur catta" only? There are nearly 60 files coming, so it won't be a small category. Furthermore, there are an undetermined number of calls that I'll be uploading for numerous lemur species in the near future, so what I do here will likely be repeated for other species. Please advise. Visionholder ( talk) 21:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I responded to your question on my talk page. In short, I think the first step to getting the article to Featured Article status is to get it to Good Article status. In my opinion the article should be pretty close already, but I have little experience in that regard. In any case, I hope the article does get to GA and then to FA, and I'll do whatever I can to help make that happen. Rlendog ( talk) 02:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you. Josh3580 user / talk / hist 05:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
There were some recent major edits to the Red Ruffed Lemur article that you may want to take a look at. [1] At first glance the changes seem ok to me. Rlendog ( talk) 17:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Visionholder, welcome to wikipedia. I respoonse to your question, I think Ring-tailed lemur is fairly far from FAC, but you could submit it af WP:FAT, where I am a member. Cheers, — §unday b 19:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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For your work on lemurs, including getting WP:PRIMATE its first top importance Good Article, I hereby award the Mammal Barnstar to Visionholder Rlendog ( talk) 02:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Danilot ( talk) 19:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC) |
By the way, I responded to your note on my talk page. I'd be happy to join the FA effort. Rlendog ( talk) 02:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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I am in the process of creating major re-writes of the Ruffed lemur (genus), Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur (species), and Red Ruffed Lemur (species) pages. The two species of ruffed lemur have few differences, and since most people are likely to search on "ruffed lemur" rather than a specific species, it looks like the genus page will contain most of the information about these species. However, I'm confused about how much information to put on the individual species pages, especially the Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur, which has 3 subspecies. (There is information about differences in range, conservation status, and looks for the subspecies, but that's about it. So do I create separate pages for the subspecies?) How much information should I repeat on the species page without being too redundant?
This is an important question for me since I am also planning to re-write the Brown lemur pages, which also have many simiilar species that only recently were granted full species status. Again, the information will be redundant for species and shared by the genus. - Visionholder ( talk) 17:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
See http://www.duke.edu/web/mind/level2/faculty/liz/publications.html, which has full text PDFs. Budding Journalist 03:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to the project. If you need help, just grab me. OhanaUnited Talk page 03:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
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The IUCN link for the Common Brown Lemur is now generating an error - "The page you were looking for doesn't exist." when I click on the "Eulemur fulvus" link. Do you know what code IUCN is now using for this species? Right now the Wikipedia article uses 8200. Rlendog ( talk) 02:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions, and good luck for your GAN! - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Great job on ruffed lemur! BTW, I posted a capitalization question here. — Wknight94 ( talk) 13:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder: You've written an excellent article on ruffed lemurs! I'm headed to Madagascar for the first time next month, so read it with interest—I have a lot to learn before I go. I'll try to get some "in the wild" pictures of whatever species I can find there, and will let you know when I've had a chance to upload them. MeegsC | Talk 20:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Oustanding job! I nominated the article for a DYK. Rlendog ( talk) 13:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I didn't see your question until late last night, but I see you decided to use the gallery. In my opinion, that's fine. I would just note that the FAC reviewers generally don't like galleries. In this case it makes sense (and even has a title other than "gallery" that fits it to the article content), but there still may be pushback. If there is, I was thinking that the toothcomb picture looks great, and could easily be fit as a thumb photo on the right side of the anatomy section. Maybe the toilet claw can be sqeezed in on its own too, but that may be pushing it. I was thinking that maybe one of the scecnt gland photos can go with the Olifactory Communication section, but you already have a better photo that takes up all the available photo space. Maybe some of the photos could be moved to the Conservation section, if necessary, since those are photo-less, but they don't have a direct connection to that text. But, anyway, I think it's fine where it is and if there is pushback in the FAC review, we can figure out the best approach to resolve it then. Rlendog ( talk) 17:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
With respect to your comments on the Primate article, I think you are actually the best person to address most of them. After all, you are one of the most currently active members of the Primate WikiProject, and you probably know more about lemurs (the focus of most of your comments) than anyone here. Why don't you take a crack at the changes? Just make sure the changes are either supported by existing references, or you have a reliable source for the new information. The one item I think I disagree with is the last - I think the wording that "Primates can be vectors for certain diseases" seems fine. Even if some primates may not be, it doesn't say "All primates can...", and an article like this necessarily needs to deal in generalities, and it be unwieldy to address all the exceptions to every generalization. Rlendog ( talk) 18:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
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Regarding the pass of Ring-tailed lemur at FAC, I award you this barnstar for the enormous volume of research and work that went into the article. And don't worry, I'll give the prose some massage if necessary. :) Congrats! — Ceran♦ (Sing) (It's snowing in NJ already!) 22:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC) |
Excellent job!!!! Our first top-importance primate article. Rlendog ( talk) 00:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
You should also be eligible for Triple Crown recognition Rlendog ( talk) 00:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations and well deserved! One of the best I've read in a long time!-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again for the Barnstar. I am really touched. Ironically, I was about to ask you for some help, following up on some advice you gave me a couple of months ago. Based on your asssistance, I figured out how to make range maps for the White-headed Capuchin and Mantled Howler on MS Paint. Unfortunately, the best maps I found at the time to start with were world maps. So when the maps are incorporated into the little taxobox, the ranges are almost invisible, since Central America is so skinny. I have since found maps of the Americas, but I don't think that would help much since the maps would still be very compressed. I also found a map of Central America, but what I actually need is just Central America plus Colombia and Ecuador. Do you know how to remove the rest of the world except Central America, Colombia and Ecuador from these maps? I think the other Central American monkeys I plan to work on should be okay, since Geoffroy's Spider Monkey and Central American Squirrel Monkey both have ranges entirely within Central America (and with the latter I may be able to use just a Costa Rica map if it shows a little bit of Panama. Thanks for your help. Rlendog ( talk) 02:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi and apologies for the delay before acknowledging your message. Once you know how you're going to proceed with the fundraising, let me know (e.g. point me to a message on your user page?) and I'll respond accordingly. The idea of a minimum starting amount W followed by X/Y/Z dollars bonus per DYK/GA/FA awarded (where Z>Y>X) sounds reasonable -- what sort of amounts for W and X/Y/Z do you think would be realistic? Sardanaphalus ( talk) 12:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I would've contacted you via e-mail but I don't know how to do it, if it's even possible. I've been browsing the site for lemur articles for ages and I recently noticed some of the things you've added. You've really made some fantastic additions- you can't imagine how much I appreciate someone working so hard to weed out all the lemur misinformation floating around on Wiki! I'm a fellow lemur enthusiast, and I'm a person of information. One of my biggest pet peeves is seeing false information floating around to mislead people- Especially when it's on the subject of lemurs! Although I've been trying to expand a bit on certain lemur articles (purely to get all the misinformation off of them), I've had limited resources for some things and really I don't know much at this point. As such, I'm thrilled to see someone as lemur-wise as you revising these pages! Meanwhile I can barely figure out how to make a link in an article (I'm completely new to Wikipedia editing).
I was especially impressed by your additions to the L. catta page, namely the photographs of their distinctive anatomical features. I'd tried for the longest time to take clear photos of those features with the lemurs I worked with, unfortunately my camera wasn't fit for the job and the animals happened to be awake at the time of my attempts so I could never get a shot of the toothcomb. They're amazing photos and they'll help people out a lot in understanding these traits and in realizing how unique and beautiful lemurs are!
Thanks again for all you've done and, if you're ever in the mood to discuss anything lemur-related, I'm always in the mood to talk! Lemurness ( talk) 03:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated Lemur catta spur and antebrachial gland.jpg ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz talk 04:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
You know there used to be an image that was an FP for ring-tailed lemur... — Ceran( dream / discover) 23:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! As a previous reviewer of Primate at FAC it would be great if you could have another look at the article. The FAC has been restarted, and any comments would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Jack ( talk) 17:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on Ring-tailed Lemur - I see you overcame some pointers during the FAC so nice job. May you wear the crowns well. Cirt ( talk) 23:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Visionholder. Haven't seen you around much lately. I have been considering doing a minor expansion of Collared Brown Lemur. I know that is on your "to do" list, and I am sure when you get to it you will have a lot more to add than I do. But before I did anything I wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on your toes. Rlendog ( talk) 17:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Dravecky ( talk) 15:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
There has recently been editing activity around the genus Eulemur, in particular attempting to split Eulemur rufifrons from Eulemur rufus, and assign E. rufifrons to the Red-fronted Lemur article and create a new " Red Lemur" article for E. rufus. This seems to be based on a comment in the E. rufus 2008 IUCN entry speculating on a possible split. But there is a paper that was published in December 2008 by Mittermeier, et al, that may create a basis for this split. [2] But I cannot access the paper. What do you think? Rlendog ( talk) 20:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I've added a new category to Commons, for pictures of/from America's Teaching Zoo. I noticed three of your lemur pictures were geo-tagged for ATZ, but I thought you might have additional pictures that you hadn't geo-tagged that could be added to that category.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 11:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Gatoclass ( talk) 03:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I have 1 granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Juliancolton | Talk 04:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I have blurred (a LITTLE) and cropped the image you ordered at Graphic Lab. Check it out by copying and pasting "File:Gray Mouse Lemur 1.JPG" into your Wikipedia search bar. Tell me what you think by replying on my talk page. You can reply on my talk page by clicking here. If you do not like what I did (I put some hard work into it, how dare you!), you can click here and your image will automatically be reset to its original state. Cheers! -- Goldblattster ( talk) 21:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Royal broil 14:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Your photo of the lemur's toothcomb... what angle was that taken from? It looks like it was taken from the inside facing out! DS ( talk) 12:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have made many unnecessary edits to Wikipedia, if you remember. I experimented once, changing the "Watermelon" entry to something completely absurd. It took several hours to change. Why is it so easy for people to edit pages, often vandalizing the page? I propose stricter standards for editing, in order to make Wikipedia a reliable and accurate source of information. Some classrooms ban the use of Wikipedia for projects and research in their classrooms, as they consider it an unreliable and often inaccurate source. My hope is that Wikipedia can become a true encyclopedia, not a think tank, and that everyone can come to use it as a completely valid research site. myfi ddyfodiad.
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I'm glad you got all settled in! Hurray for the rewrite!
I know I'm probably violating some Wikipedia provision for advertising, but have you been to the
Duke University Lemur Center by the way? If you haven't, at this time of year I would recommend an early morning tour before it gets too hot and the lemurs hide in their boxes. If you want to arrange a tour
this page has the instructions. You may be able to take some nice pictures.Silly me, you're working there. My reading retention needs some work...
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Regarding resources, if you hit paywalls with anything, then it may be worthwhile to take a day trip to the Duke University library where the academic access should let you view most things. Also, the library is pretty darn nice to work in. If you don't have a car, the Durham #6 Data bus gets you pretty close to the Bostock/Perkins library. (The bus stop is by the entrance to the gardens closest to the chapel; you'll have to hike up a hill to the quad with the library on it.)
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Congrats [5]. Now you're practically tied with me! :) ceran thor 22:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm offline. :) ceran thor 14:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Before you submit the article to FAC, I'd suggest some lead work and perhaps a PR. I haven't looked over the prose because I'm busy helping at an FAR. ceran thor 11:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
So Why 01:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
So Why 01:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Using scientific names only for titles - there are pros and cons too. For birds common names are potentially more stable than scientific ones as genetic analysis becomes more prevalent more and more birds are being moved around between different genera. There are also ease of use questions and finally, have you seen the fights over scientific names that the plant people have? They go on and on and on! Personally I favour allowing each project as much leeway as possible to work out what works for their field. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
To answer your question, I primarily use fossil reconstructions given in scientific publications as a basis for my illustrations. For example, I based my reconstruction of Palaeopropithecus ingens on a figure found in a chapter of the book Natural Change and Human Impact in Madagascar (specifically "Lemurs:Old and New" by E. L. Simons). Less frequently I will use other life reconstructions as a guideline for my illustrations (my reconstruction of Archaeolemur majori is partly based on another figure in that same publication that provided an illustration of the animal). If I cannot access any more reconstructions from scientific publications to use as a basis for illustrations, I will use images I find from various websites, such as this photograph found in the blog Dots in Deep Time, in which I used the fossil skull to the left as a basis for the head of A. majori in my illustration. I've noticed that very few of the illustrations of extinct organisms produced by Wikipedia's users provide references in their description pages, but I suppose that due to the often fragmentary nature of available fossil specimens, many of these illustrations are highly speculative reconstructions that can be challenged with the discovery of new, previously unknown material from an organism. Thanks for your suggestion; I think it would greatly improve the quality and verifiability of Wikipedia's coverage of extinct organisms. I'll make sure to provide references for all my future illustrations and attempt to provide references for my current ones, too. Smokeybjb ( talk) 18:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello Visionholder. Just wondering, how's the Lemur article going? Any plans for GA/FA (the Primates portal needs more of those)? And speaking of portals, still interested in making the Lemur portal? Let me know if you need any help. Zoo Fari 18:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Thanks for the mail. My work on Lemures was mere partial salvage, I'm afraid. Off the top of my head, "Remuria" as antecedent is an interesting but spurious late Roman etymology - I forget whose, but will look it up and post my sources here. Quite honestly, I doubt you'll find more than "etymology unknown" but I agree, the web-page you linked to is not adequate citation. Lewis and short's Latin dictionary is available online at perseus.org, but is an ancient nightmare to use and larded with rather out-of-date scholarship. As it happens I'm creating a page to be titled "Spirits of the dead in Ancient Rome", or somesuch, so the answer to your query will be doubly useful. Regards. Haploidavey ( talk) 12:52, 5 September 2009(UTC)
PS: I'd not use the original source you linked to. "Larva" is originally and straightforwardly a mask, with the scary, extended sense coming later as probably a low factoid: they differ from lemures, who remain just beyond the margins of visibilty but horribly close at hand (don't look behind you!). Perhaps the website authors have got hold of some fairly ancient source that gives credence to Ovid's or Horace's guesstymology and Porphyry's commentary on both - his take on the lares seems a downright bizarre bit of folk etymology. Augustine seems to have a better grasp on the matter. Sorry, I'll shut up now and have my weekend. Haploidavey ( talk) 17:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Visionholder. Saw your note about an etymology for lemures on the Haploidavey talk page.
The OLD offers a tentative etymology for the Latin word lemur as connected to lamia, with a possible link also to Greek λαμυρός, lamuros, "greedy." I dimly recall that T.P. Wiseman's book Remus touches on this (limited preview online via Google Books), because of the spurious etymology (from Ovid) relating to the festival names Lemuria/Remuria. Steven Green has a note on the problematic nature of the etymology in his commentary on Ovid's Fasti 1.
I think, though, that the "real" etymology (in terms of scientific linguistics) is kinda irrelevant. If you're looking to give an etymology for how the critters got their name, you should probably go to your local library and dig into the full-sized Oxford English Dictionary. Online, people (such as the LA Zoo) seem to be under the impression that the Romans themselves called the animals lemures because of their nocturnal habits and startling eyes, like the ghosts. I find no evidence that the Romans used the word for any animal. And it's unlikely, isn't it, that an ancient Roman would have seen an animal native to Madagascar? They never went anywhere near that far south in Africa, and I'm not sure they imported many small exotic animals that couldn't be featured at the games or used for entertainment (like simians).
I suspect that Latin-educated European naturalists or adventurers applied the term to the animals in the modern era. If so, it's enough to know that Latin lemures referred to a kind of ghost or nocturnal apparition; anything more is probably irrelevant to your purpose. According to the Wikipedia article on the island, European contact with Madagascar only began around 1500. Do you know at what point the animal starts getting mentioned in the literature? It wouldn't surprise me if it got its name lemur in the 19th century, because there's a touch of Gothic Romanticism about it. If you find an answer in the OED, I'd love to know. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, guess what? The OED was completely unhelpful. It records first usage in 1798 for the animal; however, the context assumes we already know what a lemur is:
tr. Thunberg’s Cape Gd. Hope (ed. 2) II. 206: "This species of Lemur somewhat resembles a cat, with its long tail, diversified with black and white ringlets"
So apparently this has a non-Anglophone origin. This mystery has brought out my dogged streak; I don't like to be defeated on these matters. Cynwolfe ( talk) 22:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Yep, this has been fun, but the wall has been hit. I couldn't decipher the abbreviations for two of the three sources, only the first, to which I can find no further clues. I did find indications via Google Books that you can obtain a solid source to say that Linnaeus named them, and I think you can assert on the basis of these that drawing a name from mythology is in keeping with his practice in nomenclature. Let me know if you can't find what you need and I'll dig them back up.
But I have to thank you because I found looking at the Systema naturae in the original so fascinating! I see what Strindberg meant about the poetry when L. says things like placida et tranquilla murmurat ut Felis (there's your catta nomenclature: "When it's peaceful and quiet, it purrs like a cat"). I'm not following what he means about the eyes; he says the pupil makes a perpendicular line by day, and is big and round at night (I can't read the letters in the word before erat), then he wonders an sic natura vel fato? "Is it this way by nature, or by fate?" What does fate mean in that context? Hand of God, intelligent design? I hadn't realized before I saw the actual text how he framed his taxonomy as a tribute to Jehovah with Homo at the pinnacle. That religion and science weren't considered antithetical until quite recently in human history always takes me by surprise. Many thanks for your patience. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
You may have noticed that the Koala Lemur RfD nomination resulted in a keep. I have tagged it with {{R from other capitalisation}} which automatically places it in the "Unprintworthy redirects" category. If a similar situation arises where you want to get rid of a redirect (or article) that only you have contributed to, you can try for a spedy deletion under WP:CSD#G7 (author requests deletion) by placing a {{db-author}} template at the top of the page, or better yet, by providing a deletion rationale by filling in the argument of that template: {{db-author|rationale=DeletionRationale}}.
When I first saw the nomination, I was certain that it was the result of a play on words with Kuala Lumpur. Best of luck with you lemur plans. -- ToE T 08:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be several pretty short articles getting GAed lately, such as Eriskay Pony. As such, you may want to take a shot at Collared Brown Lemur when you get back after all. Hope all is going well! Rlendog ( talk) 05:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
...and a happy new year (thought I might as well be the first). Good to know things went well - considerably better, I'm sure, than the Lemures re-write, which is proving to be, um, protracted and probably best achieved in the decent and silent darkness of my PC. Still, not-really-finishing anything's why we're here, eh? Not that that should apply to you, of course. Best regards, Haploidavey ( talk) 23:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Greetings, The Wikipedia:WikiProject AP Biology 2009 has been a love - hate relationship; fraught with frustrations and celebrations. For those students who connect, the experience has been transforming. It shows in the confidence they gain from being part of a truly intellectual community. For the sand baggers and pretenders it is utter hell. From a teacher's perspective; I'm not certain. Each year I think --- never again. Then out of no where comes words of encouragement which reminds me to focus on the positives. Thanks.
Hope you had a nice time in Madagascar!I see you're uploading your lemur shots, you didn't, by any chance, take any birdie shots too? :) Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I saw your category redirects at Category:Aotidae and Category:Callitrichidae. I have nothing against these redirects, but please be informed that the right way to do this is to nominate them at WP:CFD. Debresser ( talk) 17:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I saw a couple of your edits on my watchlist, and just a quick note: HotCat enables you to remove and add a category at the same time using the ± button ( example). Ucucha 23:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be Category:Sakis and uakaris? Ucucha 14:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. Just a note on the whole process: I'm not terribly thrilled with how the community handled this. In the nomination, I specifically asked if I should create the categories for the splits, and no one replied. For the category that still existed, they moved things over. The other categories were just deleted, dumping articles outside of the primate categories. Not very professional IMO. Anyway, they probably need to do a better job formalizing the process of splitting categories. – VisionHolder « talk » 15:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I haven't chatted with you in a while. How's life? ceran thor 16:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
hadros means thick, stout according to the OED:
hadrosaur (subscription required), Oxford English Dictionary (2 ed.), Oxford University Press, 1989, retrieved 2010-02-19
Shubinator ( talk) 06:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Overheard your exchange with Ucucha about the above and thought I'd drop a lit search on the talk page. Got your email, will reply later tonight or this weekend. Sasata ( talk) 19:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 06:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll take a look this weekend! I'm busy tonight and tomorrow with the fights!-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:32, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Calmer Waters 06:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 12:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, cool about the lemur plans! I find it a bit difficult to tell what's going on though when subfamilies like Hapalemurinae don't appear in List of lemur species#Taxonomic classification, and also I think where possible the taxonomic classification should mention the common name. Also the articles in the topics should be in the same order as the classification. It's hard for me to check things over when these things are different, and these would certainly need to be cleared up before the topics could be promoted. I'm also confused why there are less than 8 families in the Lemur topic, despite being 8 listed in the list of Lemur species - rst20xx ( talk) 23:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry that I missed your reply in the morning. I have merged most of the topics, except for the Mouse lemur topic. If you feel that it should be merged into Cheirogaleidae as well, let me know. Everything should still be in order, although the column breaks may need adjusted. Again, the topic I'm most shaky on is the Lemur topic. Once you get a chance, please look it over and feel free to edit the page to tweak it. Sorry to take up so much of your time. I really appreciate your feedback. On the bright side, it will reduce the amount of work when I submit for FT in the future. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Visionholder, wondering if you have time/interest to call in over at Talk:Frugivore where there is POV problem related to interpretations of the term "obligate frugivore" with respect to primates, with one editor wishing to represent that humans are obligate. Perhaps your knowledge of a frugivore more obligate than H. sapiens sapiens (!) - and not that obligate at that!! - and your information organisation background might enable a more representative outcome there. Good luck with finishing your pages soon! Trev M ~ 19:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
If you ever want to improve your identifying skills, you might want to look at commons:Category:Unidentified Primates. There's a couple of lemurs in there too. Ucucha 00:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice job with the Collared Brown Lemur article! I will have to use that as a template when I get ready to expand lesser studied species, like Geoffroy's Tamarin for GA nominations. Rlendog ( talk) 20:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't mean to imply that you had any evil motives in sending Pearl to the Human page, and I should have worded that differently. The way I see it, moving the discussion with her to a more heavily edited (read: defended) venue was actually a pretty good tactical move; it'll be harder for her to screw up that article than the other. >.>
...I only said "to make trouble" because that does seem to be exactly what she means to do. I can't believe she's still citing sources nearly three hundred years old. :(
J.M. Archer ( talk) 14:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I think you duplicated some material on Callitrichidae: the last paragraph talks about social organization again. And the article should decide whether it uses British or American spelling. Ucucha 03:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
But please do not just replace an image with at least a sharp face with another with blurry faces. If you insist, add your image in another paragraph. There are spaces in this article. Thanks. See your changes. Fred Hsu ( talk) 20:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Ucucha 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I saw that you'd gone to the meetup and now I see lemur as a DYK hook? You've been working hard, my friend. Hope life is treating you well... I've been trying to keep up with you with a couple articles I'm pushing to FA right now ( Cerro Azul (Chile volcano) is at FAC and David A. Johnston is in the works). Glad to hear about the new efforts. ceran thor 01:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey VisionHolder. I replaced two IMDb sources with legit news sources, since IMDb is not considered a reliable source. I think Indiantelevision.com is OK, although if you can find something to replace it, I'd suggest you do so. I didn't find anything right away. The other source in that last paragraph is perfectly fine, obviously. I basically just did a Google News Search to come up with the two sources I subbed out for the IMDb. Hope that was helpful, but let me know if you need any further help. I have very limited access to Lexis Nexis, but if you desperately need something in particular cited, maybe I can dig something up. (By the way, titles of movies and TV shows should be italicized, so I italicized a few that I noticed were not.) — Hun ter Ka hn 01:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
-- Cirt ( talk) 00:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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For truly amazing work with Lemur and Lemur evolutionary history. Improvement of broader, more fundamental articles like Lemur (rather than, say, a small subspecies of lemur) is a gigantic task. Great job! Staxringold talk contribs 01:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) |
I responded on my talk page as per your request. Bob the Wikipedian ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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For your excellent continued work on lemurs, I award you this barnstar. Rlendog ( talk) 15:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC) |
Thank you very much! I'm looking forward to the day you do more content creation with the New World monkeys (or even Old World monkeys). You do good work, and I would love to see WP:PRIMATES start to fill out a bit more. – VisionHolder « talk » 18:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
–– Jezhotwells ( talk) 22:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autoreviewer right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autoreviewer right, see Wikipedia:Autoreviewer. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! FASTILY (TALK) 04:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
If you have a moment and feel like commenting, the FAC for Lemur evolutionary history has been restarted. Your comments and/or support would be greatly appreciated. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Visionholder. Sasata told me about your work on organisating citations, e.g. at Lemur - I like the way Lemur handles chapters / contributions of books. I've looked at this and some ideas of my own, and I'd be grateful if you could contribution at my Talk page. -- Philcha ( talk) 16:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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For an elegant way to organise citations of books that consist chapters or contribs that also need to be cited - e.g. at Lemur -- Philcha ( talk) 22:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC) |
Hi! I am translating this and some others on the subject to greek for the Greek Wikipedia. I just wanted to say that I am amazed by your work there! Thank you very much. And I am waiting to read about Subfossil lemurs. Regards! -- Egmontaz♤ talk 18:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm no expert on Fair Use, which is why I nodded through your multiple images, but they are real sticklers at FAC, and I think there is a good chance that you will be challenged (I had a photo (not mine) of a 4000 year-old hieroglyph deleted because it was carved in stone, therefore three-dimensional and not protected by PD-art). If you can get an email from CI positively giving permission your use, that would, I think solve the problem. you would need to leave a message explaining the details on the article's talk page and send an email forwarding the CI message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for instructions. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Great work! Little Mountain 5 23:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Hey...Just wanna say thanks for clearing that up...UtherSRG wasn't much help... Bonjour! Je m'appelle lcb1994 talk 06:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
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The DYK project ( nominate) 08:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for your involvement in WP:MAMMAL and the collaborations! Happy editing, The Arbiter ★★★ 00:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC) |
Is it possible to make a image of the proposed grid including A-Class? Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 06:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good articles#New proposal related to the FA star proposal above, I strongly urge you to withdraw the proposal at WP1.0. It wasn't well thought out (as shown by failure to include A-class) and Stub-to-C class are assigned too easily. Solve one issue (GA symbol in mainspace) first before tackling others. OhanaUnited Talk page 10:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I see that you've moved the Primate template to a more standardised name. As part of the unreferenced BLP fight, we have been getting DASHBot to make lists of UBLPs by WikiProject daily, but they rely on using the actual template name, not a redirect. If you have moved other templates, can you please have a look at User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects/Templates and update any other templates that you've moved, and maybe you could use the list to target other templates to be standardised - but please update the Dashbot list so our daily lists continue to work. Thanks, The-Pope ( talk) 15:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, am happy to have changed my listing on Lemur at WP:FAC from comments to support. Great work. -- bodnotbod ( talk) 15:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I just expanded the Cryptoprocta spelea article with whatever I could find. It's still rather thin, though, and I wondered whether you perhaps had some more information in your Madagascar books. If not, I'll send it to GAN and perhaps to FAC if there is space in between all the rice rats. Ucucha 20:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh... it also mentions that there is no proof that it fed on lemurs... it's a conclusion from extrapolation... – VisionHolder « talk » 21:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
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... for the barnstar and the feedback! Keep following the seals, and maybe some day they will rise in the estimation of a lemurologist out of the "grey area between low and mid importance", into that dusky place between "upper low and lower middling". I'll do my damndest! Eliezg ( talk) 11:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure you have it watched, but just in case I've added a comment to the Indri talk. On an entirely separate issue, please note that reverts by WP:TW strictly is for vandalism. No offence was taken (and I am completely sure none was meant), but some might feel otherwise when having their non-vandalims edits reverted like that. Regardless, good work on the lemur articles. 212.10.95.14 ( talk) 10:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from new to FA on Lemurs of Madagascar (book). |
Notice it doesn't say 'beginning to end' this time. :) Again, great job! Little Mountain 5 14:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I've been creating a few more articles on Madagascan mammals (working on Triaenops menamena now; bats are fun, because their taxonomy is exceedingly confused), but I have a few questions for you.
I'd like to make range maps on the basis of File:Madagascar range map template.svg, but it would be best to have them consistent with the ones you made, so I'd like to know how you did that (with Inkscape?). (I already made File:Triaenops distribution.png and File:Paratriaenops distribution.png from a different template, but both extend beyond the region your template covers.)
Also, I'm considering buying Garbutt's (2007) Mammals of Madagascar; do you have anything to say about that book? Ucucha 20:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Should an incorrect labeling have crept in somewhere I'm sorry ;-) I deliberately limited the number of different maps, since I already had my fair share of argy-bargy with Commons and Wiki about what is "necessary" and what not ;-P In general I have two fields of interest (and thus contribution) on Wiki: Sciences (Planetology, Astronomy, Paleontology, Geosciences) and History/(Ethno-)Geography (European/German history, Languages and their distribution etc). Currently I'm more busy on the German Wiki and only tweaking some bits on linguistics here on the English one ;-) See you around, Mr. Dunkel (nice name btw :p )
He kept them at his home at Grim's Dyke. Two of his lemurs mated (apparently to everyone's surprise), and the baby was named Paul. I don't have the two articles that are cited, but I saw them not long ago, and they have photos of the lemurs and are fairly detailed. I don't know how authoritative their claims were that Paul was the first bred in captivity. Both articles were printed in major British magazines of the day, but they are "society" pieces. Gilbert likely got that information from someone at the London Zoo or else from the animal dealer who helped him obtain his various imported pets. In any case, all I can suggest is to check London news databases from about 1905 to 1911, when Gilbert died. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently writing about the bat Paratriaenops auritus, and its IUCN account says it occurs in a protected area, the Daraina forest. Bearing in mind what you told me yesterday, this may not be an easy question to answer, but do you know anything about this reserve? From the Golden-crowned Sifaka article, I got the impression that the forest at Daraina was not protected. Ucucha 19:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
“ | A new conservation site was just declared in the Daraina region in June 2005 thanks largely to the efforts of Association Fanamby, a Malagasy non-governmental organization, and Conservation International. This 20,000-ha protected area complex will be managed by Association Fanamby in collaboration with the Ministry of Water and Forests. | ” |
— Russell A. Mittermeier, et al., Lemurs of Madagascar, First Edition |
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Materialscientist ( talk) 18:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
On Elephant Bird you re-assessed the article, and you knocked it down to a start. However, your explanation is rather vague. Maybe, to help others fix it, you could place on Elephant Birds Talk page a more detailed explanation for this downgrade. Thanks for your time. speednat ( talk) 17:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am reviewing this GA nomination of yours and have made some comments at Talk:Fossa (animal)/GA1. Thanks, Xtzou ( Talk) 14:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The giant fossa is now at FAC. Do you think I should add you as a co-nominator, in view of your contributions? Ucucha 14:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
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-- Cirt ( talk) 18:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder! I am just stopping by to ask if you would like to visit the featured article review for Krill (the review page can be found at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Krill/archive1)? An editor has done quite a bit of work on the article, but I would like to get the opinions of a couple of biology people who are active at FAC before I close the review. Thanks in advance if you have the time and interest; if not, no biggie! Dana boomer ( talk) 01:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Nice job at Talk:Mesozoic_mammals of Madagascar/GA1. I didn't realize you were into paleo as well. And it was clever to choose an experienced nominator and reviewer! -- Philcha ( talk) 06:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Do you think Faune de Madagascar merits an article?
Also, I was thinking we could eventually make (or I could make, if you prefer to keep to lemurs) a featured topic on Malagasy mammals in general. Below, I put one possibility of what that would look like. However, I'm not sure about many of the details. We have a list of lemur species, but I'm not sure about how to do that with some of the other major groups of mammals. For the euplerids, a list would probably be rightly considered a content fork. For the nesomyines and tenrecs, the species number is a bit higher, but I am not quite sure whether it would be a good idea to give them separate lists. I think it's possible to write a separate article Mammals of Madagascar, but I wonder whether we will also need List of mammals of Madagascar—especially when there are species lists for each of the subgroups. What do you think? Ucucha 18:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Don't we need an article on Central Highlands (Madagascar)? (By the way, I noticed that you use both "central highlands" and "Central Highlands" in Subfossil lemur. I think the capitalized version is correct, since it is a defined biogeographical region; the literature also often (always?) capitalizes it.) Ucucha 11:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I've left some comments on your nomination. Thanks.. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 12:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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-- BorgQueen ( talk) 17:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I approved your article over there! I'm largely inactive on WN at the minute, but I saw your post on ITN/C and thought I'd take a trip over! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Can you please change your signature to something less garish? It's quite irritating, especially when used on project pages like WP:GAN. -- erachima talk 16:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Please don't get upset about Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal:_Article_rating_systems_as_an_informative_tool_about_vetting. I expected you most enjoying working on articles, and other tasks as just chores to be endured from time to time - that's how I feel. I was also about to comment on the discourtesy shown to you by another editor, but that editor has already shown further discourtesy. In the UK, where I live, there's a saying, "don't let the bastards wear you down". -- Philcha ( talk) 19:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
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For an awesome looking userpage, I hereby award you this barnstar. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC) |
Do you know the journal Malagasy Nature and/or a way to get access to it? I need an article published there to write on Miniopterus majori (the only Malagasy Miniopterus without cryptic species in it, apparently). There is a publication announcement here and I e-mailed the organization that runs the journal, but I'm not sure how successful that will be. Ucucha 18:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason you switched the reference format on Ring-tailed Lemur? I was looking at the FA criteria a few days ago and they didn't seem to indicate that a particular style was needed or preferred, just that it be consistent. But I am not sure if I missed some change that may be relevant to another article I am trying to get to FA. Rlendog ( talk) 03:23, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
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Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Subfossil lemur. |
Ealdgyth - Talk 16:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Read your page, and it's one of the few where I'm compelled to read the whole thing on my own time. Mmm, lemurs. So, you're a zookeeper or what? :) Anyway I'm here to ask if your comments here are still standing, if they are not you should enclose them in a {{ hidden}} tag and note that they are withdrawn. Res Mar 13:44, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Apparently, a new species of euplerid, Salanoia durrelli, has just been published; it's from the Lake Alaotra area. It's covered on Tetrapod Zoology, but I haven't been able to locate the actual paper yet. I'd like to write the article soon and get it on ITN—if I can find the description, that is. Ucucha 19:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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Courcelles 12:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but please do clarify it. Chrisrus ( talk) 05:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
I've tried to get together the reports so far (including those already cited in the article):
You already got most of those, I guess. I think they, together with Red List accounts should be sufficient to get the essential information (distribution and threats) for all of the formerly listed species. Ucucha 21:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
There's one more... complexity. 2004–2006 lists Ateles hybridus brunneus "Brown spider monkey" and 2006–2008 and 2008–2010 list Ateles hybridus "Variegated spider monkey". A. h. brunneus is one of two subspecies of this species, and the 2006–2008 and 2008–2010 listings apparently cover both subspecies. I think we should remove brunneus from the "Formerly listed" table and add a footnote to the main list to clarify that the 2004 listing of Ateles hybridus applied only to subspecies brunneus. Ucucha 17:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Visionholder, I noticed you added this ref in Lemur and Lemur evolutionary history, should this be added and in List of lemur species#Taxonomic classification too? And another question, in List of lemur species, although there is a {{ main}} template in "Extinct species" section linking to subfossil lemur, there isn't any such link in the lead (only subfossil is linked). Do you think a link there would be appropriate? Thank you in advance!-- Egmontaz♤ talk 07:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:FCDW/3000. Cheers, Res Mar 00:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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Great work! Little Mountain 5 22:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I see you're the one that mostly has been involved in this article so I'm posting it here. There is a minor inaccuracy in the sections 'Former list members' and 'List history'. The Black-headed Spider Monkey in its entirety was not listed in 2006. Only Ateles f. fusciceps ( Brown-headed Spider Monkey) was listed, comparable to the listing of Trachypithecus p. poliocephalus in various years. I guess the problem happened because they only used the species name (A. fusciceps) in the 2008 list when trying to explain why it was not included again, but they did specify by calling it the Ecuadorean spider monkey (Ateles f. fusciceps only known for certain from Ecuador, but according to IUCN may also occur in adjacent SW Colombia). I would have corrected it, but I'm not sure how to deal with the threats section in the table, which currently deals with both subspecies. There's not any photos of the real subspecies on wiki. All, including the one currently used in the table, are the marginally more common A. f. rufiventris. 212.10.95.14 ( talk) 15:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)