On the issue of Tellus, Tellumo, Tellurus: Dumézil has two notes I think important to recall. He remarks that Augustine's passage mentions a sacrifice to Tellus and to some male indigitations (Tellumo, Altor, Rusor) of hers (CD VII 23, 2). It is thence not legitimate to isolate Tellumo from the list in which he appears and make of him a male counterpart of Tellus as Augustine does. Tellurus in Martianus I 49 looks like an archaic genitive of Tellus (on this second point I cannot agree with certainty). Aldrasto11 ( talk) 11:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
By any means please do! I'm not very pleased with my own copywriting and I'm a bit short on time. I'm always available if u have any questions. Thanks buddy - Eli + 16:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Of the method of instruction the Scholia Sinaitica and the Scholia to the Basilica 5 give some idea. A classical text was taken as the basis, and the lecturer added notes of his own, which consisted of references to parallel passages or imperial constitutions, the formulation of general principles, the statement and solution of difficulties. and illustrations from practice.' It was in fact a development of the ancient methods used in schools of rhetoric,' and differed widely from the system of classical times when, after the student had mastered the elements, his further education consisted chiefly in the discussion of cases.
Legal education in the law-schools was based largely on the study of the extant works of the classical jurists and collections of imperial constitutions. In the schools of the East legal instruction was given in Greek, although knowledge of Latin was necessary for the study of the classical texts. As to the method of instruction adopted, this was similar to that followed in the schools of rhetoric: the literary works of the classical period and imperial constitutions, as found in various compilations of law, were discussed and explained step by step and, when possible, compared to or contrasted with parallel texts. On this basis general legal principles were formulated and then applied to resolve specific problems of law emerging from actual cases. The teaching was done by professional law-teachers, not by practitioners, and the courses offered were fitted into a fixed curriculum. At the end of their studies, which lasted up to five years, students were awarded a certificate which entitled them to serve as advocates in the courts or to join the imperial civil service.
The citation needed was for Roman slaves "technically not being allowed to own property" which struck me as a strange statement to make, and, if true, one that I could've used a citation to learn more about. It seems like it could mean so many different things... That courts would not enforce property rights on their behalf, etc. Clearly, slaves can own property in some sense, but you claim that in a "technical" sense they could not...what does that mean? Jhartzell42 ( talk) 21:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for the link to the article in the Oxford E. by H. F. Müller. Its reading confirmed me in the view that I wrote a very good article as he writes more or (better) less the same things. Of course I did not finish the article and I admit I normally do not edit on the literary traditions. You might do it if you wish though.
I also noticed this source can be used in order to prove the non originality of my editing on the origin of the god. Frankly speaking I am a bit disappointed that you did not suggest it to me during the discussion with the reviewer on the talk page... Aldrasto11 ( talk) 00:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
When you have time have a look at Salus. I tried to fix formatting but failed. The additon was in poor state but the info and poem is interesting. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 07:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I expanded the lead somewhat, do you think it is all right now to remove the tag? Thank you for the attention. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 06:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
It is ok. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 23:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
A few months ago, I idly was musing that I might write a WP article about Pascalis Romanus (on whom I did some work in grad school long ago), assuming that he was sufficiently obscure that one probably didn't yet exist. When I discovered that you had anticipated me, I was suitably impressed. It's gratifying to know that others are as devoted to supervacua as myself and old Brazen Guts in the caption at the top of this page. Keep up the good work. Deor ( talk) 14:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm just a helpful sort this morning! Probably because I can finally have all the windows open and the birds are a manic choir. But let's be honest: how much effort will actually follow my initial interest? We've all seen the sequel to my enthusiasm before. Regarding our queer old friend of many names, do you think that bit about the tongue and the ass was actually a homophobic slur? I've been trying to decide whether or not he would actually stoop to that (and whether he would remember the sexual orientation of an editor). davidiad { t } 15:54, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your input at the talk page. I was wondering if you would be willing to submit some suggestions and/or a draft for rewriting the lead (and any section tweaks which might accompany that). I'll understand if you don't want to put yourself in the middle of what very easily can become a battlefield, but I'd rather build off someone else's input rather than my own in this case. I feel my reverts of statement "The Byzantine Empire (or Byzantium) was the continuation of the Roman Empire …" can give an impression of a conflict of interest. — Sowlos 16:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I would move the nitpicking over the name to the section "Nomenclature," which I would rename "Nomenclature and periodization". In the second paragraph, I would reduce the first two sentences to:The Byzantine Empire had its capital in Constantinople, also known as Byzantium, from 330 to 1453. In its earliest history, it was the predominately Greek-speaking Eastern Roman Empire. After the Western Roman Empire fragmented and collapsed in the 5th century, the eastern half continued to thrive, existing for an additional thousand years until it fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453. During most of its existence, the empire was the most powerful economic, cultural, and military force in Europe.
(As a good Roman would, I object to using capitalized "Emperor" as a title before the personal name, as one does with a king, but am never willing to shed blood over it.) The third and fourth paragraphs are OK, but the intro may say too little about what makes the Byzantine Empire culturally distinctive. it has a very old-fashioned focus on names of rulers and dates. And of course I balk at "Roman polytheism", since it wasn't just the "religion of Numa" that was displaced (which at any rate should be called "Classical Roman religion" or some such, not "polytheism"), but rather it was the entire religious ecosystem, aka religious pluralism, that was displaced. But I wouldn't go into that with this other stuff in the air. Anyway, this is just off the top of my head. Cynwolfe ( talk) 17:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)In the transitional period from the 4th to 6th centuries, several events mark the east-west division of the Roman Empire. In 286, the emperor Diocletian etc
Some of the information currently on the page is incorrect or misleading, as unsourced content on the ancient world often is. To choose an example, the page says ridiculous things "Pulses such as fava beans ... were only appreciated by peasants, smiths, legionaries and gladiators," which is flat wrong: "That wealthy Romans ate fava beans is ... strongly suggested" by recipes attributed to Apicius; "even in the most extravagant of cookbooks, beans had their place." The page states that "Fish was served only in earlier periods," which is ludicrous.
In any case, the the burden of evidence always lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Neutrality talk 23:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I left a note on the article talk page but I found that Bloch poses the problem as far as Poseidon is concerned. He does try to answer from a classicist's point of view, making some hypotheses:
1. Poseidon mates with Demeter under the form of a horse in the Argive myth, and they beget the unnamed daughter of those mysteries (story in Pausania).
2. Poseidon is the god of Earth and springs come from beneath the earth, this is also a metaphora or better a figure of the origin of life on earth.
3. Poseidon is the god worshipped in the main temple of the Isle of Atlantis in the myth narrated by Plato in the Timaeus and Critias; there was also a hippodrome nearby.
4. The island was swallowed up by an earthquake caused by Poseidon himself. This factor would connect the power over earth and that over waters. The Greek had a memory of the explosion of the Island of Santorini and of the seaquake it provoked as well as other consequences affecting climate.
Well this is Bloch's research and could be cited but I am afraid it deals only with Poseidon, not Neptune.Aldrasto11 (talk) 14:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your message on my talk page about the reference to "illegal religion" in the Diocletianic Persecution article. I was not sure you would see a reply on my talk page so I am leaving this note here.I was probably too hasty in removing the "clarification needed" notice - it is so refreshing to me to see a well-written, NPOV, well-sourced article on the subject of Roman persecution of Christians on WP that I wanted the article to look "clean", as it were. But I definitely see what you mean. There are other problems with that sentence also I think "From its first appearance to its legalization under Constantine, Christianity was an illegal religion in the eyes of the Roman state." In fact, the earliest evidence we have would indicate that the Romans did not consider Christianity to be a religion at all, since the provincial governor Pliny the Younger and the senator Tacitus both use the word "superstition", not religion, to describe it. The recent book The Myth of Persecution by Candida Moss discusses this and says "being designated as a superstitio meant that Christianity ... wasn't a true religion or philosophy; it was foreign and inherently anti-Roman." How about changing that sentence with the reference to "illegal religion" and replacing it with something like ""From its first appearance to its legalization under Constantine, officials of the Roman state were reluctant to concede that Christianity was a religion at all?" sourcing it to Pliny, Tacitus and Moss?
PS: I feel compelled to try to do a more or less complete re-write on the article Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. This will take me some time but I would appreciate it if you would put it on your watchlist if it is not already, just keep an eye on what I am doing over the next weeks and let me know if it looks OK to you or not. Thanks Smeat75 ( talk) 00:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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This is perhaps one of the tangled and challenging points of Roman religion. I agree with Dumézil on the etymology from verb condere to store (from put within, insert, thence also found) and not from coserere. This is close to hide too cf. abdere, (abs)condere. This derivation is certain, but I checked De Vaan on the etymology of consilium (as Consus is related to it, Consus consilio...Lares +covillo potentes in the inscription of the circus by Tertullian, which may be archaic too considering covillo and external factors) and it is very uncertain where consulere-solere, the head word, comes from, although very probably not from consideo. The ancient sources were very fond of the connection Consus-consilium, Festus included. This power of hidden councelling held by Consus seems to be related to the concept expressed by Dionysius and Plutarch that he is the holder of the Earth, an idea that makes of him a parallel to Poseidon. So while it is certain that condere and consulere are from two different roots it looks the character of Consus as hidden master of the Earth was at the basis of the identification. If you find anything relevant please let me know. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 02:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Additional curiosity I hit upon by chance: the Latin WK article Neptunus carries a piece of info which is of high interest about Saturn (unfortunately unreferenced): Cronus was forced to vomit his children by Zeus using a potion made with satureia said to be a poisonous plant. Though in fact the herb we call satureia (santoreggia) is not toxic, it is a great and possibly decisive find about the etymology of Saturn Satre, as it BTW confirms the intuition of the great scholar from Catanzaro Giovanni Alessio. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 04:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe. Can I impose on you for a bit of Latin help? I am trying to decipher Servius' note to the word bigis at Aeneid 5.721, proprie modo: nam “rorifera tenuaverat aera biga” abusive est.
This is by way of my trying to find what literary sources there might be for the claim that Selene "rides through the heavens on a horse (or steer or mule, or even a ram)" facing sideways with both legs on one flank of her mount.139 (with note 139, p. 608, saying: "The artistic record is more helpful on these matters than literary records, but see for instance Pi. Ol. 3.19–20, Ov. Fast. 4.374, Serv. Aen. 5.721".) I have the Pindar and Ovid, plus others, including Pausanias, 5.11.8, but I've found none that have her riding sideways or her steed being a steer or ram. Any light (moon or otherwise) you could shed on Servius' note would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul August ☎ 17:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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Byzantine Empire (from: "The Byzantine Empire was the predominantly
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I have done some work on Neptune, Saturn , Jupiter and Angerona. If you are interested have a glance (and give me your feedback if you so wish).
On Jupiter I reinstated the section on J. Latiaris which I consider essential in the article. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 05:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I have started the work on Jupiter's notes in order to make them all based on the secondary sources. The sections you edited I would very appreciate if you would make them compliant yourself as I do not know from where you cite/quote. E.g. section on flamen dialis. Thank you very much. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 00:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Just want to say thank you for your message on both mine and Aldrasto's talk pages. Reading through my messages to them, I can see that I might have been a little blunt in my use of language, but it was all done in the spirit of cooperation. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:09, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
I left many notes on our work topics here in the last few days and you either ignored them or answered evasively. I believed you were very busy editing or about other business but hit upon a chance within a few seconds since another editor left a message on my talk page you left an impertinent comment to support his behaviour. Never mind what the matter is between him and me I think you should make the effort to understand that it is none of your business, even if, quite wrongly, you think the opposite... I wonder whether you have ever been taught basic manners when young.
Moreover you should be able to appreciate that I am no native speaker of English and I work in good faith to the best of my ability: I would be happy to possess the ability to write in a more brilliant and clearer style, but my proficiency in English does not include the mastership on style and my teachers of English always told me style is the most difficult thing to muster for foreigners. Moreover we write on a very specialistic topic and what seems clear and terse to us Romance speakers may look difficult, odd and stilted to English speakers: I do hope you can get this.
On the other hand as I said many times, if somebody is willing to rewrite what I contribute in better English prose he is very welcome, provided he does not alter the meaning of what I wrote in any way...but I have not yet seen such a thing happen unfortunately. Hope you enjoyed at least Angerona... Aldrasto11 ( talk) 15:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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How was Manius Valerius Maximus Volesi f. augur and dictator related to Publicola? and to Marcus Valerius consul? It looks they were all brothers, but I am not sure. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 23:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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Interesting discussion re that here on my talk. I got a bit annoyed, but there you go. Anyway, saucing the gander is in the works, though I disagree. That said, I realize there's a lot I don't understand around here. There's a link somewhere in that mess to the CfD for the gander cat, if you want to comment there too. I'm off to work ... have fun with this. Truthkeeper ( talk) 12:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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Fine by me. (Thanks for asking.) Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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I don't remember reading any scholarship on non-classical poetry in the past ten years: do you know if "proem" is used by other disciplines? davidiad { t } 16:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I would have thought that our author of Luna would have plunged her moon chariot bulls first right into the middle of this discussion. Paul August ☎ 19:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hello. I saw your remarks about interpretatio graeca at the AfD for Comparison of Egyptian and Greek Mythology. I'm starting to work on a rewrite of the Isis article that will better describe her significance in Egypt and in the Greco-Roman world. I think I've collected enough classicist sources about the Greco-Roman worship of Isis to cover the subject decently, but I would be more comfortable if I had a better grasp of interpretatio graeca, considering how deeply it affected Isis' integration into Roman religion. Did the people doing the interpreting fully believe that a given foreign god was a Greek one in a different guise, or were they trying to make foreign gods understandable to Greek audiences by giving them familiar names? (I always assumed it was the former, but I think I saw some source recently that indicated it was more like the latter. I have a feeling that the answer will be "both are partly true".) Anyway, if you know of any sources on the subject, please let me know. And whenever I load the rewritten version of the article (probably in a few months), feel free to suggest improvements. A. Parrot ( talk) 20:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, do you read Latin? I have need of looking at some passages by "Basil Valentine" to settle a point for an article. TCO ( talk) 17:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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Whoa! Rosalia happened. With mention of spontaneous anemonescence and Bion. Yay! davidiad { t } 23:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
It really has taken it out of me, and I very much thank you, D. The sources kept darting in different and not entirely compatible directions, so it was hard to organize. Had to work on it offline because it was just chaos. Some of the poetry is redemptively lovely, and the epitaph of Optatus is so tender and heartbreaking.
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A shy, affectionate and somehow slightly embarrassed hi. In all the fabulistic doings of old there must be a fable that explains me to me, or me to you, but I've yet to find it. So I'll probably have to invent one that suits. Meanwhile I'm cooking and saucing an email. What has become of the lovely yellowy-orange announcement bar? It was warm and welcoming and cheery-looking, and I don't care that the colour sometimes belied the content. You seem wonderfully engaged, and busy, and productive. Are you up for a joint restructuring of Cybele, sometime? Haploidavey ( talk) 10:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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I imagine I created it from a redlink, go ahead. Thanks for the courtesy of asking. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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Making some sense of the mystery serial kill woman (which might have not existed) Vera Renczi? I warn you that there's quite a bit to read on the talk page, and it's not that orderly... 86.121.18.17 ( talk) 01:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
You've recently and quite rightly tagged the Messalina article as needing additional citations. I've just returned to the arts section which I was responsible for expanding and added a few more references. I'd be grateful, however, if you'd let me know where else it might benefit (perhaps with a citation needed tab). In writing articles I'm conscious of opinions expressed in discussions (I think I saw one recently in the debate whether the Miser article should be deleted) that if absolutely every unreferenced statement were deleted, there wouldn't be a WP! Steering a course between prolixity and succinctness makes for difficult navigation. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 15:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Cynwolfe. You didn't cut anything from the Arts section that I worked on, but a day or two before you got there I had excised a lot more from the sections above. I guess I ought to work up the biographical bit, though it's not really my forte. The trouble with sources from the time is that they're all partisan and hostile, dealing as they do with someone under a damnatio. I think the Reputation section makes that clear, but I'll see what can be done to underline it. At least there are quotable authorities that say contemporary historians (let alone poets) are not to be trusted. Maybe we should leave a note on the discussion page clarifying the rationale, as you suggest.
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OK, I'll see what can be winkled out of the secondary sources. As a great uncle I have a little more time in the intervals I'm not in Taiwan on a severely underprotein monastic diet working an editorial six-day week. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 20:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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I have tried to address your concerns in the Crisis of the Roman Republic. I think you threw out the baby with the bathwater. I have started a discussion at Talk:Crisis_of_the_Roman_Republic#Crisis_of_the_Roman_Republic.23Slavery_-_morality_play_or_academic_dispute.3F to address your concerns. I am actually planning to visit Rome for the first time in my life this summer, which excites me. If you think it's still overdoing it or just plain wrong, please tell me so, but let me down softly. Bearian ( talk) 17:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the nice wee red heart - my removal carried a stroppy intent (a six-hour drive from oop north to London does nothing for one's mood, except elevate its surliness). You dangly note cheered me, anyhow. But I can't get my head around all these newfanglements, so go on, do tell - how did you do that?? Haploidavey ( talk) 21:04, 20 June 2013 (UTC) Oh, found it now. Damn clever stuff.
I didn't want to mention you previously due to privacy concerns, though it seems you found the ANI thread. The user seems to insinuate that you brought it on yourself, which in and of itself deserves a ban in my opinion. I want to ask you, and again out of respect or your privacy don't answer if you're uncomfortable: are there any existing diffs from that conflict which you could post without revealing personal info? Just diffs to demonstrate the combative behavior, I mean. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 03:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings from the Prometheus page.
From your creation of the theft of fire page a year ago, there is now a new wiki page for the film Prometheus from eight months ago which claims that your wording on the page is "Hideous" and "Awful". They claim that their new wording "to Gift fire" is better and disallow your theft of fire page. Their preferred wording "to Gift fire" is in the first sentence of their Theme section in the film Prometheus (2012 film).
If you can edit a wikilink into this first sentence of their Theme section next to their phrase "to gift fire" in parenthesis then this might allow general wiki users to decide for themselves.
It seemed you that might like to know about this situation as you were the creator of the page for theft of fire from last year. 66.99.3.244 ( talk) 17:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I nominated an article of yours for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Languages of the Roman Empire. SL93 ( talk) 04:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Law School of Beirut is now a FA candidate. The article has recently obtained GA rating; your comments and reviews are welcome to help improve it further. - Eli + 05:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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Just letting you know I got your note (and the mention of my moniker in discussion). Your care and curation are much appreciated. My head's just a bit too done in at the mo, and synapses too slow, for much more than this acknowledgement; but must say that at first glance some of those cats seem less than progressive. Will dimly ponder the issues and respond later-ish. Haploidavey ( talk) 15:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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I am attempting to research a painting that appears to be a Dutch style landscape, possibly from a non notable member of a family that is listed as notable. The name on the painting seems to be Theo Wieringa. Do you know of a good reference that may not be as obvious as a Google search to see if there is any notability to the artist? I believe the painting is a Victorian era, turn of the century landscape.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 21:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
There are a few reasons why I tend to rule out the artist above, the painting seems to be much older than he could have created if born in 1921. There is another painting from the same location that I was able to find a date on (and discovered that artist to be a somewhat notable California "Master" seascape artist by the name of Clair A. Weidenaar). This painting is dated 1952 and when compared to the other painting is very obviously much older than the 1950's. Considerable older. The canvas appears to be considerably thinner. My own speculation is that the artist that painted this may well have either been a related artist to a more notable family member, or it is simply a less than notable artist with no history. The 1880 dating was something I found interesting, because other pieces (not artwork) are indeed from that exact dating. The Seth Thomas Clock is dated on the back as such. I'll see what more I can come up with this weekend. I am being asked to pick up the painting and hold on to it while the research is being done. Other items I have been researching include a 1658 King James Bible that is the last printing approved by Oliver Cromwell. I am squeezing as much encyclopedic value out of all these artifacts.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 01:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed those categories per WP:SUBCAT because they were redundant. I'll use Demeter as an example. The article Demeter is in Category:Demeter. Both the article and the category are in Category:Greek goddesses, Category:Twelve Olympians, and Category:Eleusinian Mysteries. The article and the category don't need to be in both -- it should be one or the other. -- Auntof6 ( talk) 22:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 14:47, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading this - congratulations. It's an excellent article, and answers questions I never realised I'd wondered about until now! Andrew Gray ( talk) 16:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Here's your last response, which I've moved here so we can both refer to it:
You misread my reply. I didn't think you were prejudiced - and maybe the anonymous IP isn't either (although there was just the possibility, historical memory being what it is). But his truculence verges on bullying and I was appalled that you appeared to encourage it. It was largely at him that the response was directed. & of course I realised P.Aculeius was being supportive. What I disliked about the IP's and your approach was an apparent fundamentalism. Guidelines aren't rules. However, I do agree with the alternative approach you suggest but am hamstrung by not being able to read Japanese. Some of the nice nuns I work with in Taiwan have been learning the language, but I doubt whether they'd have the expertise or resources to help me. I shan't be able to ask until I return in November, anyway. I've already done a quick Google and an Advanced Book Search but have drawn a blank so far. I can't very well add the content you suggest until I can provide a valid reference or at least discuss that fable's reception in Japan. The Japanese like monkeys, there's a lot of lore connected with them, and it's that I shall have to wade through next.
Two other matters. I certainly disliked the Cicero illustration and found it as ugly as you did. Jonbod has replaced it with something good. However, I've reversed your change to The Cock and the Jewel. I didn't dislike the picture; I found it witty. And you moved the Hollar pic from where it was being discussed in the text.
Coming here has alerted me to your latest article. I'm going to read it just as soon as I've signed off here. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 22:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
OK, I guess I was misreading you...water under the bridge now. Sorry.
A pity you didn't mention the Syriac Aesop in your article on languages of the Roman Empire. It's potentially pivotal. I've lately been discussing that with a Canadian colleague in Taiwan. We've been trying to work out by which avenues the fables got into Parthian, Sogdian and Turkic/Uyghur. Sogdians were great traders, they could have been the intermediaries and got hold of either the Syriac or a Greek collection. Incidentally, was there a reason why your article didn't mention Armenian, Georgian and whatever language(s) might have been spoken in the Crimea? Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 23:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually, you could make that article as long as the one on the Roman Empire. But languages have a habit of transcending the regimes that lay claim to them. Walloon was a language of the Holy Roman Empire but one could hardly claim of literature in it that it was a product of that empire! It belongs to the people who created it, most of whom got on with their lives without bothering too much about anything but purely local relationships.
On the Japanese figurine I have to report that I went lateral and, instead of looking for fables about monkeys, I switched to looking at netsuke monkeys and got this: 'During the Edo and Meiji periods (1600-1912), many monkeys were caught, tamed, and taught to perform theatrical dancing roles imitating human actors. The monkey handler (Saru-mawashi) was also street exorcist who proceeded from house to house with a trained monkey perched on his shoulder, offering to exorcise evil spirits from each dwelling. The handler would beat a drum to provide rhythm for the monkey’s exorcism dance and the animal, costumed with an eboshi hat and a happi coat, usually held a gohei in one hand and a cluster of tiny bells in the other hand ( Netsuke online research centre. That covers everything except that it's carrying a fan, not a gohei. Saru, the word for monkey, also means to divide, banish, and it's because of that verbal convergence that monkeys got connected with exorcism. Japanese love double meanings, their poetry makes great use of them.
...Yes, but it's bad news for the fable article! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 13:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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I recently overhauled Augusta (honorific). I didn't add new entries, but I did divided the list into sections, added some more information to the tables following the example of other related lists, and fact-checked a lot of it. However, that kind of work burns the eyes. I would be very grateful if you and/or others knowledgeable classical history double check me for mistakes. I caught several, but burning eyes can miss much. ;)
Oh, I also proposed a move you may be interested in. — Sowlos 20:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to make amends for the DYK thing.
I'm afraid I've developed a low tolerance to any issues on there following quite a few issues.
The thing seems to be plagued by people ignoring the DYK guidelines and doing either a half-arsed job or unnecessarily picking holes and making major issues of minor things (things not required by the guidelines). The thing is supposed to be about sharing the newest content which people can build upon (the emphasis in the guidelines ensuring the hook is verified and referenced and any image freely licenced) but some seem to be searching for a finished complete article akin to GA/FA, which is not what its all about.
And there's been a few run ins with people that don't know what they're doing. Like the admin that deleted the whole page to cover up the fact she'd got it wrong. Or the non-English-speaker who failed a nomination because he didn't understand the difference between a priory and a parish church.
I'm not the expert in the articles I write. I try to rescue and expand one-line articles and stubs, and I quite enjoy learning during the process. I have been using DYK as a way to try and raise awareness of the articles, in the hope of someone that does know about the subjects, or who lives locally to them, will take over and continue expanding and improving.
Unfortunately the DYK thing can almost feel more trouble than its worth and I've developed somewhat of a low tolerance to any issues on there.
So, yeah. I wanted to apologise if you felt I was being harsh. -it wasn't personal.
And to make amends... As you said you enjoyed the last DYK, i'm guessing you're a history fan. I stumbled upon the (piss-poor) article for
Barking Abbey last night. I did a bit of research and found it really interesting so have expanded the article (its still not finished- I've got a few more sources to read through) Its past the 5x expansion but the trouble is, there's no one standout interesting fact that could be used for DYK- it has a few relatively big claims to fame and quite a few interesting or unusual facts, so choosing just one is difficult.
So I thought maybe you'd enjoy it. And maybe you'd like to suggest a hook ready for when it is submitted for DYK?
All the best
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Hi, Cynwolfe-- It looks like your gallery of images for the page on Temptation of Saint Anthony in visual arts got deleted a few months ago, which is a shame. I'd re-create one myself but have no time and thought I'd alert you to that in case you wanted to re-do your work. (All I managed to do was replace an irrelevant image of the closed wings of the Bosch altarpiece with the version by Grünewald.) Gotta run! Best, Moises de la vera ( talk) 02:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, thanks for the re-direction to the article Hercules of the Forum Boarium which I re-read, but it seems to me that the captions for the two different statues are OK. Did you mean I should change the image of the statue rather than the caption in the article Hercules in ancient Rome? (I think it would be better actually to show the Hercules of the Forum Boarium in that article as well.) Thanks for indications... Lparsp ( talk) 10:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Change done! Thanks for the feedback. Lparsp ( talk) 07:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I've seen you lurking about on the classical antiquity articles, when those sorta pass my notice in my little medievalist's world. (As an aside, our backgrounds are somewhat similar - I too was headed for academia when I decided to do something else and am also middle aged and female - which makes me feel a bit out of touch sometimes on wiki!). Normally I edit strictly on medieval or equine subjects, but early in my wiki-career I got caught into updating the Epikleros article by some whim of something. I brought it up to GA status a long time back, and recently returned to it as a break from yet another ecclesiastic. I've reached the end of what I can find in my research, and I think it's close to FA status, in my admitedly non-specialist way. Would you mind looking it over and seeing if I'm missing any glaring holes in the coverage? I know that the lead needs work, and the prose is probably not the best, but I can get help with those issues - I just need to know if I've overlooked some classicist subject that isn't apparant to this medievalist. (And it doesn't help that I never needed Greek and my Latin (which is beyond rusty) was all Medieval Latin, not Classical...) Ealdgyth - Talk 23:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions to this page. As you may have noted the page is approximately 2000 on wiki list of most active pages but has not moved much from being at start class. Could you possibly glance at the page from the viewpoint to indicate the TOP five (5) things which are needed on this wikipage to get the page a promotion to a slightly higher page review status. This would help for me to try to set up a thirty day plan or a forty day plan to try to accomplish. Once again, thanks for your contributions to this page! 76.237.180.64 ( talk) 03:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Reference page: Titan Prometheus 76.237.180.64 ( talk) 03:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, agreement on virtually all comments above, and the useful references. There is still about a week before September starts, and if you can add your notes in a top five list sometime between now and then (or given your preliminary notes above, a top ten list!) then my organization for this plan would have a useful list to mark progress. It would likely be important to note in this list how far the Shelley connection should be pursued. 76.193.164.90 ( talk) 01:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
September and Autumn have arrived. I can see you have been busy. Ready to commence with preliminary structural outlines in plan for attempt at page upgrade. After checking the FA list, the only mythological figure which is available as a strong example is the personality of Orion, which sets a useful standard. Summarizing from your earlier points it would be desirable to (a) give a simplified version of the Lead section very accessible even to the high school reader; (b) Follow all the established reference sources you have listed above scrupulously. By comparative development to the Orion page, the Introductory Section following Lead should establish the fact of the pre-Socratic sources for the Prometheus myth with indication of the precise time frame from which it originated; (c) Only then, continue to a Section on Hesiod as the myth's earliest essential author; (d) Then the next Section on Prometheus in the Athens of the larger Socratic Age; (e) then a Section on Prometheus by Aeschylus and the specific Socratic figures; (f) Followed by a Section on Prometheus in the post-Renaissance including significantly, Goethe, Prometheus Unbound, and Mary Shelley; (g) Prometheus in the Modern Era including the 20th and 21st Century. With mods as needed.
That would give an outline comparable in structure to the Orion page and its high standard. Lots to look forward to. There is of course the question of what to do with all the miscellaneous subsections which have collected and accumulated at the end of this wikipage. Previously you had usefully migrated much of them to the "Prometheus in Pop Culture" page and the "Theft of Fire" Page, and possibly you have some thoughts on whether they should migrate off the main Prometheus page (following the example as shown in the outline above derived from the Orion page) or if they should all be swept into a vast closing "Misc" section at the end. Your top five list, if still possible would be much appreciated, and could include any of the above mentioned items with mods as needed! 72.68.5.132 (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.5.132 ( talk)
Message received on the etymology preference. My original response was to the FA Orion page Not getting into or using an Etymology section so that it gets straight into the main portion of its strong narrative of myth without interruption. By the same reasoning, an upgraded Prometheus page would have had the Lead go straight into the excellent Hesiod material without interruption. Your indicating your preference preserves the old version. Any chance that you could extend your comments and priorities with updates for any of the (a) through (g) items listed above during the coming days or coming week. Separately, I now have collected 47 illustrations, oils, sculptures for Prometheus which cannot be reasonably put into the fine arts sections currently located towards the bottom of the current Page outline. Should those three fine arts sections at the bottom be perhaps migrated to the separate "Prometheus in Popular Culture" Page? Again, the example of the FA Orion page does not keep a fine arts section for assorted pictures and works of arts illustrations related to Orion. 209.3.238.61 ( talk) 19:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Update comments for Cynwolfe: Only two weeks left for the page upgrade preparations and this is a short summary of active items; First, my agreement fully with your statement about the picture gallery situation and the IMHO opinion which you stated previously in the above Talk. If you could migrate them to the "Prometheus in popular culture" Page at your convenience this would be with consensus. Second, your comment from last month spoke of the importance of a Very readable Lead section, possibly even to the level of high school readability. This leaves the question of whether it should be adapted for level 11-12 grade, or, to level 9-10 grade. There is a difference between the two and possibly you could supplement what you stated in your comment last month as to your preference. Third, your Top five list is still in my thoughts, and if you could get them into a quick list format, then my efforts can be directed to get as many addressed as possible before the end of the month! 209.3.238.62 ( talk) 19:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
These are the three sections for the possible migration as discussed with User:Cynwolfe;
9.3 In painting
9.4 In landscape painting
9.5 In sculpture
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Lemme just throw this out to anybody who might be watching: isn't this the most barely-notable topic ever to be featured on the main page, or what? I have really got to get one of my articles on strange pagan sacrifices promoted. Cynwolfe ( talk) 11:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
! Haploidavey ( talk) 19:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Your article on Lychnapsia is a brilliant original creation. Even though it is completely outside the scope of my editing interests, I am very pleased that you created it and are presenting it in such a polished form. Thank you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC) |
You're right, sorry for the inconvenience.( 69.251.130.137 ( talk) 19:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC))
:) ( 69.251.130.137 ( talk) 00:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC))
I noticed you recently created this article (thanks for providing another supporting article for the Isis rewrite) and that there seems to be some uncertainty in the sources about the "Marriage of the Nile" festival mentioned there. The paragraph on that subject puzzled me, too, because the Egyptian names mentioned there look pretty clearly Arabic, and surely a festival in Roman Egypt wouldn't have had an Arabic name! So I read Salem's study and did a little digging elsewhere.
When he mentions the "Marriage of the Nile", Salem is referring to a suggestion by Heinrich Karl Brugsch in Thesaurus Inscriptionum Ægyptiacarum. So Salem isn't contradicting himself; he's just rejecting Brugsch's claim that the "Marriage of the Nile" is connected with the Lychnapsia. Salem says the "Marriage of the Nile", with all the Arabic names, is "said to be a late adaptation of a Coptic ceremony associated with the Feast of the Cross on the I7th Thoth (Coptic)". That suggests it's a festival celebrated in modern Egypt, derived from an earlier Coptic festival. I think Brugsch may have been speaking based on personal experience of the modern festival, given all the years he spent in Egypt. A lot of modern Egyptian festivals have been claimed to derive from pre-Christian ones, though as this article in the UCLA Encyclopedia of Egyptology shows, the scholarly approach to claims like that is a lot more complex than it was in Brugsch's day. That article doesn't discuss the "Marriage of the Nile", but one of the sources it cites is a study by Philippe Derchain, "Les pleurs d'Isis et la crue du Nil". Considering that the study's title translates to "The tears of Isis and the rising of the Nile", it might address the supposed Lychnapsia–Marriage of the Nile connection.
Based on Religion in Roman Egypt, by David Frankfurter, I knew that there was a festival of Isis' birth celebrated in Roman Egypt, called the Amesysia. Frankfurter doesn't say a lot about it, so I couldn't tell what correlation it might have with the Lychnapsia (or the Marriage of the Nile). I looked for confirmation that the Amesysia in Egypt took place at the same time as the Lychnapsia in the rest of the empire, and I seemed to find it in this abstract. But then I found a relevant article on JSTOR, "P. Mich. Inv. 1355 Verso: ἀπὸ᾿Αμεϲυϲίωνμέχρι᾿Αμεϲυϲίων" by Herbert C. Youtie in the 1978 issue of Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik. It doesn't say much about the Amesysia either, but it mentions a hypothesis proposed by Danielle Bonneau in "Les fêtes Amesysia" in the 1974 volume of Chronique d'Egypte that "the Amesysia was a feast of the birthday of Isis celebrated 'vers le 20 juil let' in close association with the heliacal rising of Sirius and the beginning of the inundation, of which the traditional date was July 19. It would therefore be a seasonal festival, not to be confused with the birthday of Isis assigned by the Roman-Alexandrian calendar to the 4th epagomenal day, i.e. August 27…" And none of that directly states that the Lychnapsia was a Greek/Roman adaptation of the Amesysia, although if they're both supposed to be Isis' birthday, I still think it's likely. Other relevant sources I've found reference to, but can't access, include: another study by Bonneau, "Les fêtes Amesysia et les jours épagomènes (d'après la documentation papyrologique et égyptologique)" in Annales du Service des Antiquités de Egypte from 1984/85; and Fêtes d'Égypte ptolemaïque et romaine d'après la documentation papyrologique grecque (1993) by Françoise Perpillou-Thomas.
So the upshot is, I still don't know how the Lychnapsia connects with any Egyptian festival, although I think if there is such a connection, the Amesysia is probably the Egyptian prototype. The "Marriage of the Nile" seems either a side issue or entirely irrelevant. And if you want to find out about either of those things, you probably need to read French. (I'm afraid I can't help there. Egyptology is a trilingual field, so I constantly curse my monolinguality. And if that isn't a word, I hereby declare it to be a word.) A. Parrot ( talk) 03:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
... that has allowed me to go so long without learning of this? The tone of the whole thing makes me question some of the conclusions, but, damn, this is some stuff. davidiad { t } 23:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I left a reply on the Talk:Law school of Beirut; I agree that a formal move request would be of help to collect as many opinions as possible. have a nice day - Eli + 04:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
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You've been a busy bee around these parts. How are things? davidiad { t } 03:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Politeness abounds wikiside davidiad { t } 18:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Oh, dear. I'm working on the Aktorione–Molione right now, so teratology has worn my tastes for knocking knees. I'm also taking this month to reread the club-footed Maugham, my mother's author. God, I love him and her. But reading him makes me wonder, when does a man outgrow Turgenev? Does that make him an adult? I'm 32. davidiad { t } 02:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry I cannot read the two links now. I suppose they are concerned with the sockpuppet investigation. I do not feel I have to defend myself once again for something that did not have any malice, and especially here: the other account was using a former name with which I was known on a certain talk page in earlier exchanges.
Everybody likes to receive love and respect. Maybe me too I am a big Narcissus and do not see how I may offend others, but certainly I do not pop systematically up in your exchanges with other editors even if/when that exchange has nothing to do with me, nor do I contradict you in every venue and on every issue you write about, let alone going to the length of inviting a third party in order to counter your arguments, or add scornful comments after your exchanges with other people. So this last time I may have exceeded what the present issue may have required, but I suppose you may understand my reaction as the last straw. Particularly as you seem to always imply/assume/presume that what I do here is contrary to the rules and harmful. I am convinced of the same thing about many of your edits in places I visit (the list would be too long and tiring), but I use restraint and wisdom.
If one cannot understand that if one attacks (or, worse, harasses) one will have to endure reactions then this is hopeless. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 05:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, Cynwolfe. I'm just back from ten days plodding about the mountains behind Rethymnon in Crete. Passing the turning to Knossos on the way out was about as near as I got to antiquity. I've returned to a dispute on the talk page of the Accismus article about its application to one of Aesop's fables. Are you knowledgeable enough about rhetorical terms to make a comment? Or if not, do you know who might be? Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 20:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful response. That's what I wanted to hear. Now what has Haploidavey got against Crete? I hope he's not confusing it with Cyprus, where I steadfastly refuse to go... Anyway, that's where I took a sunshine break away from UK weather. And Taiwan is where I've been going back and forth to work. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 00:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello there, I have a question regarding the Law school of Beirut article, being the main editor, can I start a page move request to something like the name you suggested or can I proceed with it without asking for consensus? If not, could you please initiate the page move request? thanks a lot - Elias Ziade 19:38, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe, long time no speak :) Anyhow, I mentioned you at the Articles for Creation help desk. Could you take a look at this question there. The draft article is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lucius Aurelius Marcianus. The reasons for rejection seem unfounded to me, but thought I'd ask an expert. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 09:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
I am bewildered by your edit summary here. Firstly, I can't imagine how you can ask "are you saying it's inconceivable for an apologia to be a response to an actual attack" in response to something which explicitly says "whether real or imagined", that is to say it explicitly includes the possibility that it is a real, actual, attack, as well as the possibility that it isn't. Secondly, something which is imagined does not have to be, as you call it, "nutty": it is perfectly possible to form a reasonable but mistaken impression that there has been an attack. (All this is quite apart from the fact that for some reason you seem to think that "perceived" implies a mistaken perception, and that it is impossible to perceive something which is actually there.) JamesBWatson ( talk) 15:25, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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I'm in need of an opinion and really can't think of anyone else to ask. What do you think of the article Bicorn (monster)? It seems to me a mess of unsourced dubious information and possible hoaxery (the images in particular; I can't find any institution that might correspond to the "Museum of Archeology, Dresden") that should probably be stubbified to something like this version from four years ago, but I'm not quite bold enough to do so without support. Then, of course, information could be added about Lydgate's Bycorne and Chychevache, which seems to be the locus classicus for the appearance of this beast in English literature, and whatever else might be reliably sourced. (Or it might be merged with Chichevache to produce something like the superior French WP article.) I was alerted to the article by its claim that the beast was envisioned as unicornlike, for which I can find no evidence. What's your take on all this? Deor ( talk) 12:51, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hi there! For some reason, I didn't have this article on my watch list and so missed your generous assessment of it back in September. I've been in Taiwan since November and don't get away until mid-April. I've noticed that Niemti has moved the section on ancient art from the Circe article, which makes sense but it appears sub-standard. In fact it's a collection of four random facts, the most interesting of which isn't even referenced. Now the irony is that I'm acting as an art editor over here, but it's Buddhist art - my acquaintanceship with Greek artifacts is minimal. I wondered whether you have time to do a bit of research and perhaps expand the ancient (BCE) art section more thoroughly and knowledgeably. Once I'm back I need to add sections (for which I have notes) on painting, sculpture, drama and opera. I'd be grateful for anything you can do to improve the quality. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 00:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
I have started a discussion that may interest you at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#WP:BOLDTITLE and election articles. Anomalocaris ( talk) 08:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Dropping by to say hi, you have not been on WP for a while, you are missed! Hope all is well with you and we may see you back at some point. All best Smeat75 ( talk) 22:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
If you come back, we can work on Greek love again and see if it can be raised to GA. But we're gonna need you for that. You are a major contributor to the article. Yes....blatant bait to get you back. I have no pride. ;-)-- Mark Miller ( talk) 00:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Cynwolfe. Been a while since I was actively editing, but as usual I try to keep an eye on the articles I've worked on. Recently had some time off, and decided to continue my work on gentes, updating and revising from time to time, and finishing the letter "F". In the process I got sidetracked on a few other articles ( Tribune of the Plebs, Tribune, Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, Magister equitum, Roman tribe); wrote or revised quite a lot and expected to hear from you. Only just realized you haven't done any editing in several months... I hope you're alright, and will be back in the swing of things soon. Could certainly use your advice, after spending an insane amount of time on a few articles this week. Meanwhile, let me know how you're doing if you get the chance! P Aculeius ( talk) 04:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to all who have stopped by this page over the last few months, and apologies to those who were looking for help. There are many Wikipedians I miss very much. It now seems rude to have left without a word of explanation and without checking for messages, though at the time I wanted merely to avoid drama.
Because of the mention of editor retention above, I should say something about my reasons for leaving. Really, though, one day I just got up and said to myself "I don't want to do that anymore" or more precisely "I shouldn't do that anymore". As a matter of personal growth, I needed to make a clean break. The MOS straitjacket had started to feel like a drag. Some issues that are of concern in editor retention were in play, mainly the dysfunction of dispute resolution. It's just too exhausting. I could revisit some of the war stories, but what's the point?
I benefited enormously from participating in Wikipedia, and think of so many of my fellow editors as friends. Though I'm not burning any bridges, I can't seem to bring myself to open a page and edit it. I'm very happy to see others carrying on their good work. Cynwolfe ( talk) 19:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Dispute resolution and editor retention are areas of interest to me Cynwolfe and I believe a lot of the problems we face on Wikipedia is not trying to actually deal with "conflict resolution". We have a billion venues for disputes...that are content related, but next to nothing to deal with behavior, conduct and personal abuse that do not rise immediate admin attention. The system is perceived by most editors as being rigged to benefit one side or another. The truth is, we just don't deal with the other side of almost everything every issue and that is how editors are acting, not just what they are editing.
Wikipedia was set up to separate the two issues, but Wikipedia does not treat each issue with the same weight. What we need is noticeboard for conduct and behavior discussions that do not need immediate administrative action and where the community can discuss, case by case, interaction issues, conduct and abusive behavior that is unprofessional and can lead people to walk away and abandon huge amounts or work and collaborations they worked on for years. Something that would be similar to DRN in spirit but perhaps set up more like a regular notice board. I still like the idea of a conflict resolution noticeboard where the community can gain consensus on issues relating to such problems while trying to reduce the amount of actual conduct issues by explaining policy, procedure etc, early enough that new editors can resolve the conflict before it becomes more disruptive. And if editors do not heed advice, can begin a topic ban or intervention discussion at ANI or AN or begin an RFC/U.
Hope you come back when and if it is something you feel you can ever enjoy again.(Formerly Amadscientist)-- Mark Miller ( talk) 23:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Was here looking at some items on my bibliography page, and saw the discussion above. All the nice things said are deeply appreciated.
I glanced at the link, and that discussion doesn't seem to be ongoing. It seems as if the concept of paiderasteia was sufficiently distinguished from what we now think of as pedophilia (on the talk page, at least; I think I wrote the Roman section, but didn't look back at the article—exactly contrary to Victoria's advice above). I find this topic extremely difficult to deal with. Boy-love advocates like to cite ancient models as evidence that prohibitions against pedophilia are mere social constructs; that may be, but they're our social constructs, and pedophilia is a crime in the here and now because minors can't give legal consent, period. I notice, however, that those who war against boy-love advocates don't show the slightest interest in the age at which patrician Roman girls might be betrothed (as early as 12, depending presumably on menstruation as a sign of sexual maturity). The fact is that the Greeks and Romans found it natural for pubescents to be sexual and thus unsurprising that adults would find them sexually attractive. Of course, being a civilized human being depends a great deal on not behaving "naturally".
I'm sympathetic when gay men are concerned that depictions of same-sex relations in antiquity may fuel a homophobic perception that homoeroticism is inherently tantamount to pedophilia; it's understandable to want to downplay the Greco-Roman realities of age differences when that world seems at the same time to have been more hospitable to same-sex relations. But it doesn't seem common for male same-sex partners to be equal in age. " Gay marriage" is mentioned in the Roman Imperial period and at times may have involved men who were more or less equals (not sure we know), but not afaik in the examples of emperors marrying much younger males. And here is where we encounter the puer delicatus, about whom I can scarcely bear to think, as something that can be considered pedophilia.
It's hard for me to see the Greco-Roman world as a gay paradise, since Roman male-male sex seems an awful lot like prison sex, where the guy getting penetrated is "feminized" but the penetrator not only doesn't lose but perhaps enhances his masculinity by bending the other male to his desires. But it's good to remember that while scholars get stuck on certain career-advancing interpretations, surely it's impossible that personal, individualized feelings didn't vary and matter in Greece and Rome (as some do note). Cynwolfe ( talk) 22:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
You all seem to prefer moral relativism to structural analysis. Let me just say this. "Adult" and "Child" are social concepts, sure. But not pseudobiological ones. Rather, they indicate levels of enfranchisement, of granted power, in society. It is coercion, child abuse, for a person who, due to youth, is brought into - rather than "freely enters" - a sexual (or otherwise) relationship with an "adult". It doesn't matter in the slightest whether that person is sexually capable or not. The adult is taking advantage of a power difference. And often, society is now facilitating a transaction of slavery. This is the problem you are all ignoring, conveniently for yourselves might I add. and this explains something to me of where @ Flyer22 Reborn: is coming from. There's also plenty of evidence here of a conflation of pederasty with male homosexuality. You justify tying the two together by pointing out historical coincidence. You fail to point out how the sexual hegemony of, say, Athens or Rome made sex slaves of definitively young boys for the sake of empowered (or, one might say in most cases, wealthy) men. I can't imagine how you all find this acceptable - to talk of homosexuality and pederasty and making it about homosexuality or age play rather than about power differential, and of basing your evaluation in what was "normal" at the time rather than making statements about the structures of power that existed in historical moments. But it certainly explains Flyer22's involvement in Talk:Pederasty. Antifatalism ( talk) 03:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
See recent comment at Pluto, as time permits. Le Prof 71.239.87.100 ( talk) 20:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments and constructive criticism on the Eclogue 4 page (I'll be the first to admit the article is far from "done"). Do you have any good recommendations for sources to beef up the article in regards to the symbolism inherent, as well as the poem's reception? I'd love to make the article as decent as I can, and I realize that my interests can cloud some aspects of article-making.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
So, tell me, Cynwolfe -- What part of my behavior has been "problematic"? How have I "obstructed" the article? I suspect that you've misinterpreted my motives. Fearofreprisal ( talk) 19:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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Had a read of Languages of the Roman Empire. Interesting, readable and educational -- thanks for your contributions to Wiki! Tom (LT) ( talk) 21:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC) |
Why, thank you very much. I'm extremely busy with an outside project, but I make a few edits from time to time, and have some articles I'd still like to contribute, so I'll enjoy the falafel as encouragement. Cynwolfe ( talk) 19:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm giving you a heads up about merging the content of Ancient Roman cuisine and food and dining in the Roman Empire under the former article title. While the article you created is better, they actually cover the same topic, which isn't an ideal situation.
The standard format for all food culture articles is "XXX cuisine" and is intended to cover both foodstuffs and foodways. This has been the practice for several years now and there are both FAs and GAs that reflect this.
I've set up a working space at user:Peter Isotalo/Rome if you're interested in joining the tinkering.
Peter Isotalo 19:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Cynwolfe. I foresee a very bad time ahead with an article I've poured my heart and soul into, Roman naming conventions, which DeCausa seems to have decided to revert because he thinks the material I wrote is all 19th Century mumbo jumbo. I spent about 10 days on this article back in June, only to have the article reverted en masse today. I undid the reversion, only to be re-reverted. Obviously this is going to get ugly if nobody else has a look. I didn't finish the end of the article back in June because there was some stuff at the end I didn't feel comfortable about replacing or removing without further consideration, and then I got busy with other matters IRL. But I think I wrote a very clear and comprehensive article, with lots of explanations, examples, notes, and some nice illustrations.
So I'm more than a little miffed to have one guy just delete it all because of all the amazing, world-changing scholarship about onomastics that's proven how ignorant everybody up to 1970 was... frankly I don't see exactly what the revelations I'm supposedly missing are about. But in any case, the way this has gone down is maddening. No discussion, just wholesale deletion. And I would be grateful for an opinion. P Aculeius ( talk) 05:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to all my Wikipedia friends. I haven't been around much for over a year now (doing other things), but I think of many of you often and fondly and treasure my Wikipedia experiences. And I much appreciate the season's greetings above from two of my favorite women in the community! Cynwolfe ( talk) 01:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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The RfC where I mentioned you kind of descended into chaos and then petered out. It hasn't officially closed yet, though, so if you want to comment, the bottom of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion#Extension_to_RfC is probably the best place. To sum up what happened: GregKaye started an RfC trying to move all, or nearly all, articles with the disambiguator (mythology) to something else. I, along with several other editors, initially agreed with him, and he started moving articles en masse. Then people who hadn't seen the initial RfC pointed out articles, like those concerning Titans, where (deity) or (god)/(goddess) weren't really the right word. (They also complained that the RfC wasn't set up properly, but I don't know what the right way to set it up would have been.) Now I can't tell what decision, if any, will come out of the RfC. I hope it will at least establish that (mythology) is not the best disambiguating term for every ancient religion article, and that each article can be evaluated individually. That way, requests to move Jupiter or Set to a better title might actually succeed.
By the way, I am still working on Isis, though the way the work keeps expanding, I don't even bother predicting when I might finish anymore. I'd appreciate any comments you have once I do upload the rewritten version, so I'll leave a message here when it happens. I hope you'll keep an eye out, at least for another couple of years. A. Parrot ( talk) 22:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I finally got around to redirecting the Roman aristocracy page. Watch this space.-- Urg writer ( talk) 22:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I undid your addition of "citation needed" tags in the section of Benjamin Banneker entitled "Mythology and legacy of Benjamin Banneker.". The section is identical to the introductory section of the main article: Mythology and legacy of Benjamin Banneker, which the section cites directly beneath its title. The main article contains the relevant citations in the text that follows its introductory section. Corker1 ( talk) 19:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hello! You might remember me as the editor who made the Eclogue 4 article (and focused a tad too much on the Sibyl, heh). Anyway, I've recently really dived into a poem called Cento vergilianus de laudibus Christi, and I remembered your Latin expertise. I was wondering if you could peek over the article and maybe give it a cursory/unofficial peer review? I really appreciated your insights in regards to the Eclogue article. If not, I totally understand. Thanks!-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:21, 21 December 2015 (UTC) |
And to you and all as well! Wish I had more time for Wikipedia. I do miss it. Cynwolfe ( talk) 06:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Belated Merry Christmas to you. I have placed a question for you on Suetonius on Christians. I would be grateful for your comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.37.206 ( talk) 13:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe, I am sad to see your latest response on the Suetonius Talk page. I am not attacking you, but simply stating my observation on your lack of textual skills. Here is your latest example: you write "I've been trying to help you explore the ways your desired interpretation of the line might be included if it were supported by sources". But where have I expressed any desire or preference how the Suetonius line should be translated? That is something that exists only in your mind. And therefore I have become wary of how you approach text analysis. Which is a great pity because you obviously are a learned scholar, much better than me in Latin for sure.
I used only well-supported-available-in-wikipedia information for the table. All the links refer to the corresponding articles of specific languages, where the details can be retrieved. Your argument "for all I know, the chart could be plagiarized" is completely inadequate reason. Are "you" the source? The source is "what you know"? I will claim the restoration of the section, because the table is not a case of plagiarism -- Davius ( talk) 18:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
And it's a bit weird how easy I found it to write, considering how much I struggle to write anything on the Isis article itself. I intended to hold off on uploading it until I'd finished rewriting Isis to support it, but I've been feeling unproductive this year so far and decided to upload the one article I had ready to go. Any comments, questions, or suggestions? I expect to nominate it for GAN soon. A. Parrot ( talk) 08:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Cynwolfe, was wondering about your article Food and dining in the Roman Empire. Is there any particular reason you gave it that name vs. "Food and dining in ancient Rome"? The article appears to apply to more than simply the empire, and other articles to do with Roman culture tend to follow the other naming practice, as in Education in ancient Rome, Slavery in ancient Rome, Sexuality in ancient Rome and others. I am in no way challenging the name, and the article is great, I am purely curious.-- MainlyTwelve ( talk) 16:58, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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Fixed by JayJasper. Anyway, they were minor edits. -- Brayan Jaimes ( talk) 21:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
hello, at the risk of sounding repetitive, i was wondering if you could help me? i asked User:Student7 this question as well, as your mutual friend History2007 (or User:VanishedUserABC) made some controversial edits. here is what i wrote to student7:
i would be greatly appreciative if you could provide any assistance in this matter. thank you very much. 174.3.155.181 ( talk) 06:00, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe. I'm an editor (not very active till now) of the Italian Wikipedia, where the gender gap is a real issue. I'm trying to participate to an IEG with the project "Women are everywhere". You will find the draft at this link https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_are_everywhere It would be great if you could have a look at it. I need any kind of suggestion or advice to improve it. Support or endorsement would be fantastic. Many thanks, -- Kenzia ( talk) 15:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
You seem to be mostly a Latinist, so it may be out of your usual area, but as one of the few members of both WP:CGR and WP:WMNHIST I thought you might be interested to know that I'm trying to get Women in Classical Athens up to FA level, and to that end I have submitted it for peer review wp:Peer review/Women in Classical Athens/archive2. I'd be extremely grateful if you could give it a look. Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 21:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Just thought you should know there's a neat discussion going on about your additions to the sexuality in ancient rome page on Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/4gx1i0/the_sexuality_in_ancient_rome_article_is_nearly/ Lollipoplollipoplollipop ( talk) 10:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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... your name on my watchlist again. Paul August ☎ 00:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Wanted to ask about this one: you're correct that names aren't italicized because they're in foreign languages—but this was italicized because it was being used to refer to the name, not the person (i.e. he didn't become a new person, he acquired a new name). This is the distinction I've always made between the sentences, "he had three sons: Gaius, Lucius, and Sextus", and "he had three sons, named Gaius, Lucius, and Sextus." The first example refers directly to his sons; the second to their names (although also, indirectly, to the sons). I realize that the distinction between individuals by certain names and the names themselves (i.e. words used as words) is a bit hazy, but I've always thought it was useful. Or have I been confused all these years? That's possible, although I think I've been doing it right: italicizing names when indicating what someone's name has changed to. P Aculeius ( talk) 16:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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at Slavery in ancient Rome. I would never have dared. Haploidavey ( talk) 18:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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I've become more acquainted with your work and respect your knowledge and training as a historian.
In discussion with @ Furius we are creating a new article due to the growing interest in the topic. A way to channel the debates into something more useful. I thought someone with your expertise could add a lot of value on an article like this.
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But this form of sexual release thus held little erotic cachet: to use one's own slaves was "one step up from masturbation".
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The paragraph you quote from Legal rights of women in history was lifted (usefully and appropriately) from the Roman sexuality article—I know because I was the one who wrote it there originally. (Incidentally, marital rape was not a crime in the United States till the 1970s, so it's a misplaced emphasis of indignation that it was not a crime two thousand years earlier.) You should read the whole Sexuality in ancient Rome article before complaining that it doesn't represent views that are in fact stated in it. For instance, did you read the section on marital sex and its subsections? From what you said about sex within Roman marriage, it seemed not. The goal of the article is to represent a wide range of perspectives, some of which are going to seem mutually contradictory because that is the nature of human sexuality and its often contrary and irrational impulses within the individual and societal attitudes at large. So to be clear: I was the one who researched and wrote the paragraph you're quoting, and elsewhere in this discussion you have been quoting statements that I researched and contributed to the article back in 2013 or so—content that has been disseminated over the last decade in various online ways.
However, what I did not know until I looked it up at this moment is that in the intervening years, the quoted scholar—a classics professor whose work was published by Cambridge UP, hence a reliable source as defined at WP:RS—has pleaded guilty to trading in child pornography. This taints his work in a way it might not if he wrote about something unrelated to sexuality. If you had approached on that basis, I would've heard you differently. I don't know what WP policy is, but I would not be comfortable using the work of a scholar who was guilty of a sex crime in an article about sexuality. This strikes me as different in substance from the Dirk Obbink dilemma. If the sentence bothers you—I still think it's consonant with the rest of the article and everything I have learned about the topic, so I'm sure the point can be made through other sources—I have no stomach to advocate for someone involved in child pornography. Cynwolfe ( talk) 16:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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On the issue of Tellus, Tellumo, Tellurus: Dumézil has two notes I think important to recall. He remarks that Augustine's passage mentions a sacrifice to Tellus and to some male indigitations (Tellumo, Altor, Rusor) of hers (CD VII 23, 2). It is thence not legitimate to isolate Tellumo from the list in which he appears and make of him a male counterpart of Tellus as Augustine does. Tellurus in Martianus I 49 looks like an archaic genitive of Tellus (on this second point I cannot agree with certainty). Aldrasto11 ( talk) 11:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
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Of the method of instruction the Scholia Sinaitica and the Scholia to the Basilica 5 give some idea. A classical text was taken as the basis, and the lecturer added notes of his own, which consisted of references to parallel passages or imperial constitutions, the formulation of general principles, the statement and solution of difficulties. and illustrations from practice.' It was in fact a development of the ancient methods used in schools of rhetoric,' and differed widely from the system of classical times when, after the student had mastered the elements, his further education consisted chiefly in the discussion of cases.
Legal education in the law-schools was based largely on the study of the extant works of the classical jurists and collections of imperial constitutions. In the schools of the East legal instruction was given in Greek, although knowledge of Latin was necessary for the study of the classical texts. As to the method of instruction adopted, this was similar to that followed in the schools of rhetoric: the literary works of the classical period and imperial constitutions, as found in various compilations of law, were discussed and explained step by step and, when possible, compared to or contrasted with parallel texts. On this basis general legal principles were formulated and then applied to resolve specific problems of law emerging from actual cases. The teaching was done by professional law-teachers, not by practitioners, and the courses offered were fitted into a fixed curriculum. At the end of their studies, which lasted up to five years, students were awarded a certificate which entitled them to serve as advocates in the courts or to join the imperial civil service.
The citation needed was for Roman slaves "technically not being allowed to own property" which struck me as a strange statement to make, and, if true, one that I could've used a citation to learn more about. It seems like it could mean so many different things... That courts would not enforce property rights on their behalf, etc. Clearly, slaves can own property in some sense, but you claim that in a "technical" sense they could not...what does that mean? Jhartzell42 ( talk) 21:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for the link to the article in the Oxford E. by H. F. Müller. Its reading confirmed me in the view that I wrote a very good article as he writes more or (better) less the same things. Of course I did not finish the article and I admit I normally do not edit on the literary traditions. You might do it if you wish though.
I also noticed this source can be used in order to prove the non originality of my editing on the origin of the god. Frankly speaking I am a bit disappointed that you did not suggest it to me during the discussion with the reviewer on the talk page... Aldrasto11 ( talk) 00:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
When you have time have a look at Salus. I tried to fix formatting but failed. The additon was in poor state but the info and poem is interesting. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 07:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I expanded the lead somewhat, do you think it is all right now to remove the tag? Thank you for the attention. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 06:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
It is ok. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 23:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
A few months ago, I idly was musing that I might write a WP article about Pascalis Romanus (on whom I did some work in grad school long ago), assuming that he was sufficiently obscure that one probably didn't yet exist. When I discovered that you had anticipated me, I was suitably impressed. It's gratifying to know that others are as devoted to supervacua as myself and old Brazen Guts in the caption at the top of this page. Keep up the good work. Deor ( talk) 14:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm just a helpful sort this morning! Probably because I can finally have all the windows open and the birds are a manic choir. But let's be honest: how much effort will actually follow my initial interest? We've all seen the sequel to my enthusiasm before. Regarding our queer old friend of many names, do you think that bit about the tongue and the ass was actually a homophobic slur? I've been trying to decide whether or not he would actually stoop to that (and whether he would remember the sexual orientation of an editor). davidiad { t } 15:54, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your input at the talk page. I was wondering if you would be willing to submit some suggestions and/or a draft for rewriting the lead (and any section tweaks which might accompany that). I'll understand if you don't want to put yourself in the middle of what very easily can become a battlefield, but I'd rather build off someone else's input rather than my own in this case. I feel my reverts of statement "The Byzantine Empire (or Byzantium) was the continuation of the Roman Empire …" can give an impression of a conflict of interest. — Sowlos 16:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I would move the nitpicking over the name to the section "Nomenclature," which I would rename "Nomenclature and periodization". In the second paragraph, I would reduce the first two sentences to:The Byzantine Empire had its capital in Constantinople, also known as Byzantium, from 330 to 1453. In its earliest history, it was the predominately Greek-speaking Eastern Roman Empire. After the Western Roman Empire fragmented and collapsed in the 5th century, the eastern half continued to thrive, existing for an additional thousand years until it fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453. During most of its existence, the empire was the most powerful economic, cultural, and military force in Europe.
(As a good Roman would, I object to using capitalized "Emperor" as a title before the personal name, as one does with a king, but am never willing to shed blood over it.) The third and fourth paragraphs are OK, but the intro may say too little about what makes the Byzantine Empire culturally distinctive. it has a very old-fashioned focus on names of rulers and dates. And of course I balk at "Roman polytheism", since it wasn't just the "religion of Numa" that was displaced (which at any rate should be called "Classical Roman religion" or some such, not "polytheism"), but rather it was the entire religious ecosystem, aka religious pluralism, that was displaced. But I wouldn't go into that with this other stuff in the air. Anyway, this is just off the top of my head. Cynwolfe ( talk) 17:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)In the transitional period from the 4th to 6th centuries, several events mark the east-west division of the Roman Empire. In 286, the emperor Diocletian etc
Some of the information currently on the page is incorrect or misleading, as unsourced content on the ancient world often is. To choose an example, the page says ridiculous things "Pulses such as fava beans ... were only appreciated by peasants, smiths, legionaries and gladiators," which is flat wrong: "That wealthy Romans ate fava beans is ... strongly suggested" by recipes attributed to Apicius; "even in the most extravagant of cookbooks, beans had their place." The page states that "Fish was served only in earlier periods," which is ludicrous.
In any case, the the burden of evidence always lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Neutrality talk 23:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I left a note on the article talk page but I found that Bloch poses the problem as far as Poseidon is concerned. He does try to answer from a classicist's point of view, making some hypotheses:
1. Poseidon mates with Demeter under the form of a horse in the Argive myth, and they beget the unnamed daughter of those mysteries (story in Pausania).
2. Poseidon is the god of Earth and springs come from beneath the earth, this is also a metaphora or better a figure of the origin of life on earth.
3. Poseidon is the god worshipped in the main temple of the Isle of Atlantis in the myth narrated by Plato in the Timaeus and Critias; there was also a hippodrome nearby.
4. The island was swallowed up by an earthquake caused by Poseidon himself. This factor would connect the power over earth and that over waters. The Greek had a memory of the explosion of the Island of Santorini and of the seaquake it provoked as well as other consequences affecting climate.
Well this is Bloch's research and could be cited but I am afraid it deals only with Poseidon, not Neptune.Aldrasto11 (talk) 14:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your message on my talk page about the reference to "illegal religion" in the Diocletianic Persecution article. I was not sure you would see a reply on my talk page so I am leaving this note here.I was probably too hasty in removing the "clarification needed" notice - it is so refreshing to me to see a well-written, NPOV, well-sourced article on the subject of Roman persecution of Christians on WP that I wanted the article to look "clean", as it were. But I definitely see what you mean. There are other problems with that sentence also I think "From its first appearance to its legalization under Constantine, Christianity was an illegal religion in the eyes of the Roman state." In fact, the earliest evidence we have would indicate that the Romans did not consider Christianity to be a religion at all, since the provincial governor Pliny the Younger and the senator Tacitus both use the word "superstition", not religion, to describe it. The recent book The Myth of Persecution by Candida Moss discusses this and says "being designated as a superstitio meant that Christianity ... wasn't a true religion or philosophy; it was foreign and inherently anti-Roman." How about changing that sentence with the reference to "illegal religion" and replacing it with something like ""From its first appearance to its legalization under Constantine, officials of the Roman state were reluctant to concede that Christianity was a religion at all?" sourcing it to Pliny, Tacitus and Moss?
PS: I feel compelled to try to do a more or less complete re-write on the article Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. This will take me some time but I would appreciate it if you would put it on your watchlist if it is not already, just keep an eye on what I am doing over the next weeks and let me know if it looks OK to you or not. Thanks Smeat75 ( talk) 00:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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This is perhaps one of the tangled and challenging points of Roman religion. I agree with Dumézil on the etymology from verb condere to store (from put within, insert, thence also found) and not from coserere. This is close to hide too cf. abdere, (abs)condere. This derivation is certain, but I checked De Vaan on the etymology of consilium (as Consus is related to it, Consus consilio...Lares +covillo potentes in the inscription of the circus by Tertullian, which may be archaic too considering covillo and external factors) and it is very uncertain where consulere-solere, the head word, comes from, although very probably not from consideo. The ancient sources were very fond of the connection Consus-consilium, Festus included. This power of hidden councelling held by Consus seems to be related to the concept expressed by Dionysius and Plutarch that he is the holder of the Earth, an idea that makes of him a parallel to Poseidon. So while it is certain that condere and consulere are from two different roots it looks the character of Consus as hidden master of the Earth was at the basis of the identification. If you find anything relevant please let me know. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 02:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Additional curiosity I hit upon by chance: the Latin WK article Neptunus carries a piece of info which is of high interest about Saturn (unfortunately unreferenced): Cronus was forced to vomit his children by Zeus using a potion made with satureia said to be a poisonous plant. Though in fact the herb we call satureia (santoreggia) is not toxic, it is a great and possibly decisive find about the etymology of Saturn Satre, as it BTW confirms the intuition of the great scholar from Catanzaro Giovanni Alessio. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 04:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe. Can I impose on you for a bit of Latin help? I am trying to decipher Servius' note to the word bigis at Aeneid 5.721, proprie modo: nam “rorifera tenuaverat aera biga” abusive est.
This is by way of my trying to find what literary sources there might be for the claim that Selene "rides through the heavens on a horse (or steer or mule, or even a ram)" facing sideways with both legs on one flank of her mount.139 (with note 139, p. 608, saying: "The artistic record is more helpful on these matters than literary records, but see for instance Pi. Ol. 3.19–20, Ov. Fast. 4.374, Serv. Aen. 5.721".) I have the Pindar and Ovid, plus others, including Pausanias, 5.11.8, but I've found none that have her riding sideways or her steed being a steer or ram. Any light (moon or otherwise) you could shed on Servius' note would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul August ☎ 17:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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Byzantine Empire (from: "The Byzantine Empire was the predominantly
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I have done some work on Neptune, Saturn , Jupiter and Angerona. If you are interested have a glance (and give me your feedback if you so wish).
On Jupiter I reinstated the section on J. Latiaris which I consider essential in the article. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 05:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I have started the work on Jupiter's notes in order to make them all based on the secondary sources. The sections you edited I would very appreciate if you would make them compliant yourself as I do not know from where you cite/quote. E.g. section on flamen dialis. Thank you very much. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 00:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Just want to say thank you for your message on both mine and Aldrasto's talk pages. Reading through my messages to them, I can see that I might have been a little blunt in my use of language, but it was all done in the spirit of cooperation. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:09, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
I left many notes on our work topics here in the last few days and you either ignored them or answered evasively. I believed you were very busy editing or about other business but hit upon a chance within a few seconds since another editor left a message on my talk page you left an impertinent comment to support his behaviour. Never mind what the matter is between him and me I think you should make the effort to understand that it is none of your business, even if, quite wrongly, you think the opposite... I wonder whether you have ever been taught basic manners when young.
Moreover you should be able to appreciate that I am no native speaker of English and I work in good faith to the best of my ability: I would be happy to possess the ability to write in a more brilliant and clearer style, but my proficiency in English does not include the mastership on style and my teachers of English always told me style is the most difficult thing to muster for foreigners. Moreover we write on a very specialistic topic and what seems clear and terse to us Romance speakers may look difficult, odd and stilted to English speakers: I do hope you can get this.
On the other hand as I said many times, if somebody is willing to rewrite what I contribute in better English prose he is very welcome, provided he does not alter the meaning of what I wrote in any way...but I have not yet seen such a thing happen unfortunately. Hope you enjoyed at least Angerona... Aldrasto11 ( talk) 15:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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How was Manius Valerius Maximus Volesi f. augur and dictator related to Publicola? and to Marcus Valerius consul? It looks they were all brothers, but I am not sure. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 23:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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Interesting discussion re that here on my talk. I got a bit annoyed, but there you go. Anyway, saucing the gander is in the works, though I disagree. That said, I realize there's a lot I don't understand around here. There's a link somewhere in that mess to the CfD for the gander cat, if you want to comment there too. I'm off to work ... have fun with this. Truthkeeper ( talk) 12:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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Fine by me. (Thanks for asking.) Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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I don't remember reading any scholarship on non-classical poetry in the past ten years: do you know if "proem" is used by other disciplines? davidiad { t } 16:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I would have thought that our author of Luna would have plunged her moon chariot bulls first right into the middle of this discussion. Paul August ☎ 19:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hello. I saw your remarks about interpretatio graeca at the AfD for Comparison of Egyptian and Greek Mythology. I'm starting to work on a rewrite of the Isis article that will better describe her significance in Egypt and in the Greco-Roman world. I think I've collected enough classicist sources about the Greco-Roman worship of Isis to cover the subject decently, but I would be more comfortable if I had a better grasp of interpretatio graeca, considering how deeply it affected Isis' integration into Roman religion. Did the people doing the interpreting fully believe that a given foreign god was a Greek one in a different guise, or were they trying to make foreign gods understandable to Greek audiences by giving them familiar names? (I always assumed it was the former, but I think I saw some source recently that indicated it was more like the latter. I have a feeling that the answer will be "both are partly true".) Anyway, if you know of any sources on the subject, please let me know. And whenever I load the rewritten version of the article (probably in a few months), feel free to suggest improvements. A. Parrot ( talk) 20:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, do you read Latin? I have need of looking at some passages by "Basil Valentine" to settle a point for an article. TCO ( talk) 17:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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Whoa! Rosalia happened. With mention of spontaneous anemonescence and Bion. Yay! davidiad { t } 23:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
It really has taken it out of me, and I very much thank you, D. The sources kept darting in different and not entirely compatible directions, so it was hard to organize. Had to work on it offline because it was just chaos. Some of the poetry is redemptively lovely, and the epitaph of Optatus is so tender and heartbreaking.
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A shy, affectionate and somehow slightly embarrassed hi. In all the fabulistic doings of old there must be a fable that explains me to me, or me to you, but I've yet to find it. So I'll probably have to invent one that suits. Meanwhile I'm cooking and saucing an email. What has become of the lovely yellowy-orange announcement bar? It was warm and welcoming and cheery-looking, and I don't care that the colour sometimes belied the content. You seem wonderfully engaged, and busy, and productive. Are you up for a joint restructuring of Cybele, sometime? Haploidavey ( talk) 10:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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I imagine I created it from a redlink, go ahead. Thanks for the courtesy of asking. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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Making some sense of the mystery serial kill woman (which might have not existed) Vera Renczi? I warn you that there's quite a bit to read on the talk page, and it's not that orderly... 86.121.18.17 ( talk) 01:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
You've recently and quite rightly tagged the Messalina article as needing additional citations. I've just returned to the arts section which I was responsible for expanding and added a few more references. I'd be grateful, however, if you'd let me know where else it might benefit (perhaps with a citation needed tab). In writing articles I'm conscious of opinions expressed in discussions (I think I saw one recently in the debate whether the Miser article should be deleted) that if absolutely every unreferenced statement were deleted, there wouldn't be a WP! Steering a course between prolixity and succinctness makes for difficult navigation. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 15:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Cynwolfe. You didn't cut anything from the Arts section that I worked on, but a day or two before you got there I had excised a lot more from the sections above. I guess I ought to work up the biographical bit, though it's not really my forte. The trouble with sources from the time is that they're all partisan and hostile, dealing as they do with someone under a damnatio. I think the Reputation section makes that clear, but I'll see what can be done to underline it. At least there are quotable authorities that say contemporary historians (let alone poets) are not to be trusted. Maybe we should leave a note on the discussion page clarifying the rationale, as you suggest.
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OK, I'll see what can be winkled out of the secondary sources. As a great uncle I have a little more time in the intervals I'm not in Taiwan on a severely underprotein monastic diet working an editorial six-day week. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 20:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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I have tried to address your concerns in the Crisis of the Roman Republic. I think you threw out the baby with the bathwater. I have started a discussion at Talk:Crisis_of_the_Roman_Republic#Crisis_of_the_Roman_Republic.23Slavery_-_morality_play_or_academic_dispute.3F to address your concerns. I am actually planning to visit Rome for the first time in my life this summer, which excites me. If you think it's still overdoing it or just plain wrong, please tell me so, but let me down softly. Bearian ( talk) 17:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the nice wee red heart - my removal carried a stroppy intent (a six-hour drive from oop north to London does nothing for one's mood, except elevate its surliness). You dangly note cheered me, anyhow. But I can't get my head around all these newfanglements, so go on, do tell - how did you do that?? Haploidavey ( talk) 21:04, 20 June 2013 (UTC) Oh, found it now. Damn clever stuff.
I didn't want to mention you previously due to privacy concerns, though it seems you found the ANI thread. The user seems to insinuate that you brought it on yourself, which in and of itself deserves a ban in my opinion. I want to ask you, and again out of respect or your privacy don't answer if you're uncomfortable: are there any existing diffs from that conflict which you could post without revealing personal info? Just diffs to demonstrate the combative behavior, I mean. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 03:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings from the Prometheus page.
From your creation of the theft of fire page a year ago, there is now a new wiki page for the film Prometheus from eight months ago which claims that your wording on the page is "Hideous" and "Awful". They claim that their new wording "to Gift fire" is better and disallow your theft of fire page. Their preferred wording "to Gift fire" is in the first sentence of their Theme section in the film Prometheus (2012 film).
If you can edit a wikilink into this first sentence of their Theme section next to their phrase "to gift fire" in parenthesis then this might allow general wiki users to decide for themselves.
It seemed you that might like to know about this situation as you were the creator of the page for theft of fire from last year. 66.99.3.244 ( talk) 17:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I nominated an article of yours for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Languages of the Roman Empire. SL93 ( talk) 04:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Law School of Beirut is now a FA candidate. The article has recently obtained GA rating; your comments and reviews are welcome to help improve it further. - Eli + 05:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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Just letting you know I got your note (and the mention of my moniker in discussion). Your care and curation are much appreciated. My head's just a bit too done in at the mo, and synapses too slow, for much more than this acknowledgement; but must say that at first glance some of those cats seem less than progressive. Will dimly ponder the issues and respond later-ish. Haploidavey ( talk) 15:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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I am attempting to research a painting that appears to be a Dutch style landscape, possibly from a non notable member of a family that is listed as notable. The name on the painting seems to be Theo Wieringa. Do you know of a good reference that may not be as obvious as a Google search to see if there is any notability to the artist? I believe the painting is a Victorian era, turn of the century landscape.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 21:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
There are a few reasons why I tend to rule out the artist above, the painting seems to be much older than he could have created if born in 1921. There is another painting from the same location that I was able to find a date on (and discovered that artist to be a somewhat notable California "Master" seascape artist by the name of Clair A. Weidenaar). This painting is dated 1952 and when compared to the other painting is very obviously much older than the 1950's. Considerable older. The canvas appears to be considerably thinner. My own speculation is that the artist that painted this may well have either been a related artist to a more notable family member, or it is simply a less than notable artist with no history. The 1880 dating was something I found interesting, because other pieces (not artwork) are indeed from that exact dating. The Seth Thomas Clock is dated on the back as such. I'll see what more I can come up with this weekend. I am being asked to pick up the painting and hold on to it while the research is being done. Other items I have been researching include a 1658 King James Bible that is the last printing approved by Oliver Cromwell. I am squeezing as much encyclopedic value out of all these artifacts.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 01:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed those categories per WP:SUBCAT because they were redundant. I'll use Demeter as an example. The article Demeter is in Category:Demeter. Both the article and the category are in Category:Greek goddesses, Category:Twelve Olympians, and Category:Eleusinian Mysteries. The article and the category don't need to be in both -- it should be one or the other. -- Auntof6 ( talk) 22:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 14:47, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading this - congratulations. It's an excellent article, and answers questions I never realised I'd wondered about until now! Andrew Gray ( talk) 16:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Here's your last response, which I've moved here so we can both refer to it:
You misread my reply. I didn't think you were prejudiced - and maybe the anonymous IP isn't either (although there was just the possibility, historical memory being what it is). But his truculence verges on bullying and I was appalled that you appeared to encourage it. It was largely at him that the response was directed. & of course I realised P.Aculeius was being supportive. What I disliked about the IP's and your approach was an apparent fundamentalism. Guidelines aren't rules. However, I do agree with the alternative approach you suggest but am hamstrung by not being able to read Japanese. Some of the nice nuns I work with in Taiwan have been learning the language, but I doubt whether they'd have the expertise or resources to help me. I shan't be able to ask until I return in November, anyway. I've already done a quick Google and an Advanced Book Search but have drawn a blank so far. I can't very well add the content you suggest until I can provide a valid reference or at least discuss that fable's reception in Japan. The Japanese like monkeys, there's a lot of lore connected with them, and it's that I shall have to wade through next.
Two other matters. I certainly disliked the Cicero illustration and found it as ugly as you did. Jonbod has replaced it with something good. However, I've reversed your change to The Cock and the Jewel. I didn't dislike the picture; I found it witty. And you moved the Hollar pic from where it was being discussed in the text.
Coming here has alerted me to your latest article. I'm going to read it just as soon as I've signed off here. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 22:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
OK, I guess I was misreading you...water under the bridge now. Sorry.
A pity you didn't mention the Syriac Aesop in your article on languages of the Roman Empire. It's potentially pivotal. I've lately been discussing that with a Canadian colleague in Taiwan. We've been trying to work out by which avenues the fables got into Parthian, Sogdian and Turkic/Uyghur. Sogdians were great traders, they could have been the intermediaries and got hold of either the Syriac or a Greek collection. Incidentally, was there a reason why your article didn't mention Armenian, Georgian and whatever language(s) might have been spoken in the Crimea? Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 23:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually, you could make that article as long as the one on the Roman Empire. But languages have a habit of transcending the regimes that lay claim to them. Walloon was a language of the Holy Roman Empire but one could hardly claim of literature in it that it was a product of that empire! It belongs to the people who created it, most of whom got on with their lives without bothering too much about anything but purely local relationships.
On the Japanese figurine I have to report that I went lateral and, instead of looking for fables about monkeys, I switched to looking at netsuke monkeys and got this: 'During the Edo and Meiji periods (1600-1912), many monkeys were caught, tamed, and taught to perform theatrical dancing roles imitating human actors. The monkey handler (Saru-mawashi) was also street exorcist who proceeded from house to house with a trained monkey perched on his shoulder, offering to exorcise evil spirits from each dwelling. The handler would beat a drum to provide rhythm for the monkey’s exorcism dance and the animal, costumed with an eboshi hat and a happi coat, usually held a gohei in one hand and a cluster of tiny bells in the other hand ( Netsuke online research centre. That covers everything except that it's carrying a fan, not a gohei. Saru, the word for monkey, also means to divide, banish, and it's because of that verbal convergence that monkeys got connected with exorcism. Japanese love double meanings, their poetry makes great use of them.
...Yes, but it's bad news for the fable article! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 13:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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I recently overhauled Augusta (honorific). I didn't add new entries, but I did divided the list into sections, added some more information to the tables following the example of other related lists, and fact-checked a lot of it. However, that kind of work burns the eyes. I would be very grateful if you and/or others knowledgeable classical history double check me for mistakes. I caught several, but burning eyes can miss much. ;)
Oh, I also proposed a move you may be interested in. — Sowlos 20:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to make amends for the DYK thing.
I'm afraid I've developed a low tolerance to any issues on there following quite a few issues.
The thing seems to be plagued by people ignoring the DYK guidelines and doing either a half-arsed job or unnecessarily picking holes and making major issues of minor things (things not required by the guidelines). The thing is supposed to be about sharing the newest content which people can build upon (the emphasis in the guidelines ensuring the hook is verified and referenced and any image freely licenced) but some seem to be searching for a finished complete article akin to GA/FA, which is not what its all about.
And there's been a few run ins with people that don't know what they're doing. Like the admin that deleted the whole page to cover up the fact she'd got it wrong. Or the non-English-speaker who failed a nomination because he didn't understand the difference between a priory and a parish church.
I'm not the expert in the articles I write. I try to rescue and expand one-line articles and stubs, and I quite enjoy learning during the process. I have been using DYK as a way to try and raise awareness of the articles, in the hope of someone that does know about the subjects, or who lives locally to them, will take over and continue expanding and improving.
Unfortunately the DYK thing can almost feel more trouble than its worth and I've developed somewhat of a low tolerance to any issues on there.
So, yeah. I wanted to apologise if you felt I was being harsh. -it wasn't personal.
And to make amends... As you said you enjoyed the last DYK, i'm guessing you're a history fan. I stumbled upon the (piss-poor) article for
Barking Abbey last night. I did a bit of research and found it really interesting so have expanded the article (its still not finished- I've got a few more sources to read through) Its past the 5x expansion but the trouble is, there's no one standout interesting fact that could be used for DYK- it has a few relatively big claims to fame and quite a few interesting or unusual facts, so choosing just one is difficult.
So I thought maybe you'd enjoy it. And maybe you'd like to suggest a hook ready for when it is submitted for DYK?
All the best
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Hi, Cynwolfe-- It looks like your gallery of images for the page on Temptation of Saint Anthony in visual arts got deleted a few months ago, which is a shame. I'd re-create one myself but have no time and thought I'd alert you to that in case you wanted to re-do your work. (All I managed to do was replace an irrelevant image of the closed wings of the Bosch altarpiece with the version by Grünewald.) Gotta run! Best, Moises de la vera ( talk) 02:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, thanks for the re-direction to the article Hercules of the Forum Boarium which I re-read, but it seems to me that the captions for the two different statues are OK. Did you mean I should change the image of the statue rather than the caption in the article Hercules in ancient Rome? (I think it would be better actually to show the Hercules of the Forum Boarium in that article as well.) Thanks for indications... Lparsp ( talk) 10:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Change done! Thanks for the feedback. Lparsp ( talk) 07:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I've seen you lurking about on the classical antiquity articles, when those sorta pass my notice in my little medievalist's world. (As an aside, our backgrounds are somewhat similar - I too was headed for academia when I decided to do something else and am also middle aged and female - which makes me feel a bit out of touch sometimes on wiki!). Normally I edit strictly on medieval or equine subjects, but early in my wiki-career I got caught into updating the Epikleros article by some whim of something. I brought it up to GA status a long time back, and recently returned to it as a break from yet another ecclesiastic. I've reached the end of what I can find in my research, and I think it's close to FA status, in my admitedly non-specialist way. Would you mind looking it over and seeing if I'm missing any glaring holes in the coverage? I know that the lead needs work, and the prose is probably not the best, but I can get help with those issues - I just need to know if I've overlooked some classicist subject that isn't apparant to this medievalist. (And it doesn't help that I never needed Greek and my Latin (which is beyond rusty) was all Medieval Latin, not Classical...) Ealdgyth - Talk 23:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions to this page. As you may have noted the page is approximately 2000 on wiki list of most active pages but has not moved much from being at start class. Could you possibly glance at the page from the viewpoint to indicate the TOP five (5) things which are needed on this wikipage to get the page a promotion to a slightly higher page review status. This would help for me to try to set up a thirty day plan or a forty day plan to try to accomplish. Once again, thanks for your contributions to this page! 76.237.180.64 ( talk) 03:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Reference page: Titan Prometheus 76.237.180.64 ( talk) 03:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, agreement on virtually all comments above, and the useful references. There is still about a week before September starts, and if you can add your notes in a top five list sometime between now and then (or given your preliminary notes above, a top ten list!) then my organization for this plan would have a useful list to mark progress. It would likely be important to note in this list how far the Shelley connection should be pursued. 76.193.164.90 ( talk) 01:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
September and Autumn have arrived. I can see you have been busy. Ready to commence with preliminary structural outlines in plan for attempt at page upgrade. After checking the FA list, the only mythological figure which is available as a strong example is the personality of Orion, which sets a useful standard. Summarizing from your earlier points it would be desirable to (a) give a simplified version of the Lead section very accessible even to the high school reader; (b) Follow all the established reference sources you have listed above scrupulously. By comparative development to the Orion page, the Introductory Section following Lead should establish the fact of the pre-Socratic sources for the Prometheus myth with indication of the precise time frame from which it originated; (c) Only then, continue to a Section on Hesiod as the myth's earliest essential author; (d) Then the next Section on Prometheus in the Athens of the larger Socratic Age; (e) then a Section on Prometheus by Aeschylus and the specific Socratic figures; (f) Followed by a Section on Prometheus in the post-Renaissance including significantly, Goethe, Prometheus Unbound, and Mary Shelley; (g) Prometheus in the Modern Era including the 20th and 21st Century. With mods as needed.
That would give an outline comparable in structure to the Orion page and its high standard. Lots to look forward to. There is of course the question of what to do with all the miscellaneous subsections which have collected and accumulated at the end of this wikipage. Previously you had usefully migrated much of them to the "Prometheus in Pop Culture" page and the "Theft of Fire" Page, and possibly you have some thoughts on whether they should migrate off the main Prometheus page (following the example as shown in the outline above derived from the Orion page) or if they should all be swept into a vast closing "Misc" section at the end. Your top five list, if still possible would be much appreciated, and could include any of the above mentioned items with mods as needed! 72.68.5.132 (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.5.132 ( talk)
Message received on the etymology preference. My original response was to the FA Orion page Not getting into or using an Etymology section so that it gets straight into the main portion of its strong narrative of myth without interruption. By the same reasoning, an upgraded Prometheus page would have had the Lead go straight into the excellent Hesiod material without interruption. Your indicating your preference preserves the old version. Any chance that you could extend your comments and priorities with updates for any of the (a) through (g) items listed above during the coming days or coming week. Separately, I now have collected 47 illustrations, oils, sculptures for Prometheus which cannot be reasonably put into the fine arts sections currently located towards the bottom of the current Page outline. Should those three fine arts sections at the bottom be perhaps migrated to the separate "Prometheus in Popular Culture" Page? Again, the example of the FA Orion page does not keep a fine arts section for assorted pictures and works of arts illustrations related to Orion. 209.3.238.61 ( talk) 19:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Update comments for Cynwolfe: Only two weeks left for the page upgrade preparations and this is a short summary of active items; First, my agreement fully with your statement about the picture gallery situation and the IMHO opinion which you stated previously in the above Talk. If you could migrate them to the "Prometheus in popular culture" Page at your convenience this would be with consensus. Second, your comment from last month spoke of the importance of a Very readable Lead section, possibly even to the level of high school readability. This leaves the question of whether it should be adapted for level 11-12 grade, or, to level 9-10 grade. There is a difference between the two and possibly you could supplement what you stated in your comment last month as to your preference. Third, your Top five list is still in my thoughts, and if you could get them into a quick list format, then my efforts can be directed to get as many addressed as possible before the end of the month! 209.3.238.62 ( talk) 19:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
These are the three sections for the possible migration as discussed with User:Cynwolfe;
9.3 In painting
9.4 In landscape painting
9.5 In sculpture
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Lemme just throw this out to anybody who might be watching: isn't this the most barely-notable topic ever to be featured on the main page, or what? I have really got to get one of my articles on strange pagan sacrifices promoted. Cynwolfe ( talk) 11:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
! Haploidavey ( talk) 19:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Your article on Lychnapsia is a brilliant original creation. Even though it is completely outside the scope of my editing interests, I am very pleased that you created it and are presenting it in such a polished form. Thank you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC) |
You're right, sorry for the inconvenience.( 69.251.130.137 ( talk) 19:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC))
:) ( 69.251.130.137 ( talk) 00:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC))
I noticed you recently created this article (thanks for providing another supporting article for the Isis rewrite) and that there seems to be some uncertainty in the sources about the "Marriage of the Nile" festival mentioned there. The paragraph on that subject puzzled me, too, because the Egyptian names mentioned there look pretty clearly Arabic, and surely a festival in Roman Egypt wouldn't have had an Arabic name! So I read Salem's study and did a little digging elsewhere.
When he mentions the "Marriage of the Nile", Salem is referring to a suggestion by Heinrich Karl Brugsch in Thesaurus Inscriptionum Ægyptiacarum. So Salem isn't contradicting himself; he's just rejecting Brugsch's claim that the "Marriage of the Nile" is connected with the Lychnapsia. Salem says the "Marriage of the Nile", with all the Arabic names, is "said to be a late adaptation of a Coptic ceremony associated with the Feast of the Cross on the I7th Thoth (Coptic)". That suggests it's a festival celebrated in modern Egypt, derived from an earlier Coptic festival. I think Brugsch may have been speaking based on personal experience of the modern festival, given all the years he spent in Egypt. A lot of modern Egyptian festivals have been claimed to derive from pre-Christian ones, though as this article in the UCLA Encyclopedia of Egyptology shows, the scholarly approach to claims like that is a lot more complex than it was in Brugsch's day. That article doesn't discuss the "Marriage of the Nile", but one of the sources it cites is a study by Philippe Derchain, "Les pleurs d'Isis et la crue du Nil". Considering that the study's title translates to "The tears of Isis and the rising of the Nile", it might address the supposed Lychnapsia–Marriage of the Nile connection.
Based on Religion in Roman Egypt, by David Frankfurter, I knew that there was a festival of Isis' birth celebrated in Roman Egypt, called the Amesysia. Frankfurter doesn't say a lot about it, so I couldn't tell what correlation it might have with the Lychnapsia (or the Marriage of the Nile). I looked for confirmation that the Amesysia in Egypt took place at the same time as the Lychnapsia in the rest of the empire, and I seemed to find it in this abstract. But then I found a relevant article on JSTOR, "P. Mich. Inv. 1355 Verso: ἀπὸ᾿Αμεϲυϲίωνμέχρι᾿Αμεϲυϲίων" by Herbert C. Youtie in the 1978 issue of Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik. It doesn't say much about the Amesysia either, but it mentions a hypothesis proposed by Danielle Bonneau in "Les fêtes Amesysia" in the 1974 volume of Chronique d'Egypte that "the Amesysia was a feast of the birthday of Isis celebrated 'vers le 20 juil let' in close association with the heliacal rising of Sirius and the beginning of the inundation, of which the traditional date was July 19. It would therefore be a seasonal festival, not to be confused with the birthday of Isis assigned by the Roman-Alexandrian calendar to the 4th epagomenal day, i.e. August 27…" And none of that directly states that the Lychnapsia was a Greek/Roman adaptation of the Amesysia, although if they're both supposed to be Isis' birthday, I still think it's likely. Other relevant sources I've found reference to, but can't access, include: another study by Bonneau, "Les fêtes Amesysia et les jours épagomènes (d'après la documentation papyrologique et égyptologique)" in Annales du Service des Antiquités de Egypte from 1984/85; and Fêtes d'Égypte ptolemaïque et romaine d'après la documentation papyrologique grecque (1993) by Françoise Perpillou-Thomas.
So the upshot is, I still don't know how the Lychnapsia connects with any Egyptian festival, although I think if there is such a connection, the Amesysia is probably the Egyptian prototype. The "Marriage of the Nile" seems either a side issue or entirely irrelevant. And if you want to find out about either of those things, you probably need to read French. (I'm afraid I can't help there. Egyptology is a trilingual field, so I constantly curse my monolinguality. And if that isn't a word, I hereby declare it to be a word.) A. Parrot ( talk) 03:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
... that has allowed me to go so long without learning of this? The tone of the whole thing makes me question some of the conclusions, but, damn, this is some stuff. davidiad { t } 23:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I left a reply on the Talk:Law school of Beirut; I agree that a formal move request would be of help to collect as many opinions as possible. have a nice day - Eli + 04:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
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You've been a busy bee around these parts. How are things? davidiad { t } 03:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Politeness abounds wikiside davidiad { t } 18:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Oh, dear. I'm working on the Aktorione–Molione right now, so teratology has worn my tastes for knocking knees. I'm also taking this month to reread the club-footed Maugham, my mother's author. God, I love him and her. But reading him makes me wonder, when does a man outgrow Turgenev? Does that make him an adult? I'm 32. davidiad { t } 02:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry I cannot read the two links now. I suppose they are concerned with the sockpuppet investigation. I do not feel I have to defend myself once again for something that did not have any malice, and especially here: the other account was using a former name with which I was known on a certain talk page in earlier exchanges.
Everybody likes to receive love and respect. Maybe me too I am a big Narcissus and do not see how I may offend others, but certainly I do not pop systematically up in your exchanges with other editors even if/when that exchange has nothing to do with me, nor do I contradict you in every venue and on every issue you write about, let alone going to the length of inviting a third party in order to counter your arguments, or add scornful comments after your exchanges with other people. So this last time I may have exceeded what the present issue may have required, but I suppose you may understand my reaction as the last straw. Particularly as you seem to always imply/assume/presume that what I do here is contrary to the rules and harmful. I am convinced of the same thing about many of your edits in places I visit (the list would be too long and tiring), but I use restraint and wisdom.
If one cannot understand that if one attacks (or, worse, harasses) one will have to endure reactions then this is hopeless. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 05:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, Cynwolfe. I'm just back from ten days plodding about the mountains behind Rethymnon in Crete. Passing the turning to Knossos on the way out was about as near as I got to antiquity. I've returned to a dispute on the talk page of the Accismus article about its application to one of Aesop's fables. Are you knowledgeable enough about rhetorical terms to make a comment? Or if not, do you know who might be? Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 20:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful response. That's what I wanted to hear. Now what has Haploidavey got against Crete? I hope he's not confusing it with Cyprus, where I steadfastly refuse to go... Anyway, that's where I took a sunshine break away from UK weather. And Taiwan is where I've been going back and forth to work. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 00:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello there, I have a question regarding the Law school of Beirut article, being the main editor, can I start a page move request to something like the name you suggested or can I proceed with it without asking for consensus? If not, could you please initiate the page move request? thanks a lot - Elias Ziade 19:38, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe, long time no speak :) Anyhow, I mentioned you at the Articles for Creation help desk. Could you take a look at this question there. The draft article is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lucius Aurelius Marcianus. The reasons for rejection seem unfounded to me, but thought I'd ask an expert. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 09:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
I am bewildered by your edit summary here. Firstly, I can't imagine how you can ask "are you saying it's inconceivable for an apologia to be a response to an actual attack" in response to something which explicitly says "whether real or imagined", that is to say it explicitly includes the possibility that it is a real, actual, attack, as well as the possibility that it isn't. Secondly, something which is imagined does not have to be, as you call it, "nutty": it is perfectly possible to form a reasonable but mistaken impression that there has been an attack. (All this is quite apart from the fact that for some reason you seem to think that "perceived" implies a mistaken perception, and that it is impossible to perceive something which is actually there.) JamesBWatson ( talk) 15:25, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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I'm in need of an opinion and really can't think of anyone else to ask. What do you think of the article Bicorn (monster)? It seems to me a mess of unsourced dubious information and possible hoaxery (the images in particular; I can't find any institution that might correspond to the "Museum of Archeology, Dresden") that should probably be stubbified to something like this version from four years ago, but I'm not quite bold enough to do so without support. Then, of course, information could be added about Lydgate's Bycorne and Chychevache, which seems to be the locus classicus for the appearance of this beast in English literature, and whatever else might be reliably sourced. (Or it might be merged with Chichevache to produce something like the superior French WP article.) I was alerted to the article by its claim that the beast was envisioned as unicornlike, for which I can find no evidence. What's your take on all this? Deor ( talk) 12:51, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hi there! For some reason, I didn't have this article on my watch list and so missed your generous assessment of it back in September. I've been in Taiwan since November and don't get away until mid-April. I've noticed that Niemti has moved the section on ancient art from the Circe article, which makes sense but it appears sub-standard. In fact it's a collection of four random facts, the most interesting of which isn't even referenced. Now the irony is that I'm acting as an art editor over here, but it's Buddhist art - my acquaintanceship with Greek artifacts is minimal. I wondered whether you have time to do a bit of research and perhaps expand the ancient (BCE) art section more thoroughly and knowledgeably. Once I'm back I need to add sections (for which I have notes) on painting, sculpture, drama and opera. I'd be grateful for anything you can do to improve the quality. Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 00:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
I have started a discussion that may interest you at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#WP:BOLDTITLE and election articles. Anomalocaris ( talk) 08:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Dropping by to say hi, you have not been on WP for a while, you are missed! Hope all is well with you and we may see you back at some point. All best Smeat75 ( talk) 22:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
If you come back, we can work on Greek love again and see if it can be raised to GA. But we're gonna need you for that. You are a major contributor to the article. Yes....blatant bait to get you back. I have no pride. ;-)-- Mark Miller ( talk) 00:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Cynwolfe. Been a while since I was actively editing, but as usual I try to keep an eye on the articles I've worked on. Recently had some time off, and decided to continue my work on gentes, updating and revising from time to time, and finishing the letter "F". In the process I got sidetracked on a few other articles ( Tribune of the Plebs, Tribune, Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, Magister equitum, Roman tribe); wrote or revised quite a lot and expected to hear from you. Only just realized you haven't done any editing in several months... I hope you're alright, and will be back in the swing of things soon. Could certainly use your advice, after spending an insane amount of time on a few articles this week. Meanwhile, let me know how you're doing if you get the chance! P Aculeius ( talk) 04:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to all who have stopped by this page over the last few months, and apologies to those who were looking for help. There are many Wikipedians I miss very much. It now seems rude to have left without a word of explanation and without checking for messages, though at the time I wanted merely to avoid drama.
Because of the mention of editor retention above, I should say something about my reasons for leaving. Really, though, one day I just got up and said to myself "I don't want to do that anymore" or more precisely "I shouldn't do that anymore". As a matter of personal growth, I needed to make a clean break. The MOS straitjacket had started to feel like a drag. Some issues that are of concern in editor retention were in play, mainly the dysfunction of dispute resolution. It's just too exhausting. I could revisit some of the war stories, but what's the point?
I benefited enormously from participating in Wikipedia, and think of so many of my fellow editors as friends. Though I'm not burning any bridges, I can't seem to bring myself to open a page and edit it. I'm very happy to see others carrying on their good work. Cynwolfe ( talk) 19:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Dispute resolution and editor retention are areas of interest to me Cynwolfe and I believe a lot of the problems we face on Wikipedia is not trying to actually deal with "conflict resolution". We have a billion venues for disputes...that are content related, but next to nothing to deal with behavior, conduct and personal abuse that do not rise immediate admin attention. The system is perceived by most editors as being rigged to benefit one side or another. The truth is, we just don't deal with the other side of almost everything every issue and that is how editors are acting, not just what they are editing.
Wikipedia was set up to separate the two issues, but Wikipedia does not treat each issue with the same weight. What we need is noticeboard for conduct and behavior discussions that do not need immediate administrative action and where the community can discuss, case by case, interaction issues, conduct and abusive behavior that is unprofessional and can lead people to walk away and abandon huge amounts or work and collaborations they worked on for years. Something that would be similar to DRN in spirit but perhaps set up more like a regular notice board. I still like the idea of a conflict resolution noticeboard where the community can gain consensus on issues relating to such problems while trying to reduce the amount of actual conduct issues by explaining policy, procedure etc, early enough that new editors can resolve the conflict before it becomes more disruptive. And if editors do not heed advice, can begin a topic ban or intervention discussion at ANI or AN or begin an RFC/U.
Hope you come back when and if it is something you feel you can ever enjoy again.(Formerly Amadscientist)-- Mark Miller ( talk) 23:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Was here looking at some items on my bibliography page, and saw the discussion above. All the nice things said are deeply appreciated.
I glanced at the link, and that discussion doesn't seem to be ongoing. It seems as if the concept of paiderasteia was sufficiently distinguished from what we now think of as pedophilia (on the talk page, at least; I think I wrote the Roman section, but didn't look back at the article—exactly contrary to Victoria's advice above). I find this topic extremely difficult to deal with. Boy-love advocates like to cite ancient models as evidence that prohibitions against pedophilia are mere social constructs; that may be, but they're our social constructs, and pedophilia is a crime in the here and now because minors can't give legal consent, period. I notice, however, that those who war against boy-love advocates don't show the slightest interest in the age at which patrician Roman girls might be betrothed (as early as 12, depending presumably on menstruation as a sign of sexual maturity). The fact is that the Greeks and Romans found it natural for pubescents to be sexual and thus unsurprising that adults would find them sexually attractive. Of course, being a civilized human being depends a great deal on not behaving "naturally".
I'm sympathetic when gay men are concerned that depictions of same-sex relations in antiquity may fuel a homophobic perception that homoeroticism is inherently tantamount to pedophilia; it's understandable to want to downplay the Greco-Roman realities of age differences when that world seems at the same time to have been more hospitable to same-sex relations. But it doesn't seem common for male same-sex partners to be equal in age. " Gay marriage" is mentioned in the Roman Imperial period and at times may have involved men who were more or less equals (not sure we know), but not afaik in the examples of emperors marrying much younger males. And here is where we encounter the puer delicatus, about whom I can scarcely bear to think, as something that can be considered pedophilia.
It's hard for me to see the Greco-Roman world as a gay paradise, since Roman male-male sex seems an awful lot like prison sex, where the guy getting penetrated is "feminized" but the penetrator not only doesn't lose but perhaps enhances his masculinity by bending the other male to his desires. But it's good to remember that while scholars get stuck on certain career-advancing interpretations, surely it's impossible that personal, individualized feelings didn't vary and matter in Greece and Rome (as some do note). Cynwolfe ( talk) 22:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
You all seem to prefer moral relativism to structural analysis. Let me just say this. "Adult" and "Child" are social concepts, sure. But not pseudobiological ones. Rather, they indicate levels of enfranchisement, of granted power, in society. It is coercion, child abuse, for a person who, due to youth, is brought into - rather than "freely enters" - a sexual (or otherwise) relationship with an "adult". It doesn't matter in the slightest whether that person is sexually capable or not. The adult is taking advantage of a power difference. And often, society is now facilitating a transaction of slavery. This is the problem you are all ignoring, conveniently for yourselves might I add. and this explains something to me of where @ Flyer22 Reborn: is coming from. There's also plenty of evidence here of a conflation of pederasty with male homosexuality. You justify tying the two together by pointing out historical coincidence. You fail to point out how the sexual hegemony of, say, Athens or Rome made sex slaves of definitively young boys for the sake of empowered (or, one might say in most cases, wealthy) men. I can't imagine how you all find this acceptable - to talk of homosexuality and pederasty and making it about homosexuality or age play rather than about power differential, and of basing your evaluation in what was "normal" at the time rather than making statements about the structures of power that existed in historical moments. But it certainly explains Flyer22's involvement in Talk:Pederasty. Antifatalism ( talk) 03:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
See recent comment at Pluto, as time permits. Le Prof 71.239.87.100 ( talk) 20:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments and constructive criticism on the Eclogue 4 page (I'll be the first to admit the article is far from "done"). Do you have any good recommendations for sources to beef up the article in regards to the symbolism inherent, as well as the poem's reception? I'd love to make the article as decent as I can, and I realize that my interests can cloud some aspects of article-making.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
So, tell me, Cynwolfe -- What part of my behavior has been "problematic"? How have I "obstructed" the article? I suspect that you've misinterpreted my motives. Fearofreprisal ( talk) 19:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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Had a read of Languages of the Roman Empire. Interesting, readable and educational -- thanks for your contributions to Wiki! Tom (LT) ( talk) 21:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC) |
Why, thank you very much. I'm extremely busy with an outside project, but I make a few edits from time to time, and have some articles I'd still like to contribute, so I'll enjoy the falafel as encouragement. Cynwolfe ( talk) 19:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm giving you a heads up about merging the content of Ancient Roman cuisine and food and dining in the Roman Empire under the former article title. While the article you created is better, they actually cover the same topic, which isn't an ideal situation.
The standard format for all food culture articles is "XXX cuisine" and is intended to cover both foodstuffs and foodways. This has been the practice for several years now and there are both FAs and GAs that reflect this.
I've set up a working space at user:Peter Isotalo/Rome if you're interested in joining the tinkering.
Peter Isotalo 19:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Cynwolfe. I foresee a very bad time ahead with an article I've poured my heart and soul into, Roman naming conventions, which DeCausa seems to have decided to revert because he thinks the material I wrote is all 19th Century mumbo jumbo. I spent about 10 days on this article back in June, only to have the article reverted en masse today. I undid the reversion, only to be re-reverted. Obviously this is going to get ugly if nobody else has a look. I didn't finish the end of the article back in June because there was some stuff at the end I didn't feel comfortable about replacing or removing without further consideration, and then I got busy with other matters IRL. But I think I wrote a very clear and comprehensive article, with lots of explanations, examples, notes, and some nice illustrations.
So I'm more than a little miffed to have one guy just delete it all because of all the amazing, world-changing scholarship about onomastics that's proven how ignorant everybody up to 1970 was... frankly I don't see exactly what the revelations I'm supposedly missing are about. But in any case, the way this has gone down is maddening. No discussion, just wholesale deletion. And I would be grateful for an opinion. P Aculeius ( talk) 05:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to all my Wikipedia friends. I haven't been around much for over a year now (doing other things), but I think of many of you often and fondly and treasure my Wikipedia experiences. And I much appreciate the season's greetings above from two of my favorite women in the community! Cynwolfe ( talk) 01:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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The RfC where I mentioned you kind of descended into chaos and then petered out. It hasn't officially closed yet, though, so if you want to comment, the bottom of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion#Extension_to_RfC is probably the best place. To sum up what happened: GregKaye started an RfC trying to move all, or nearly all, articles with the disambiguator (mythology) to something else. I, along with several other editors, initially agreed with him, and he started moving articles en masse. Then people who hadn't seen the initial RfC pointed out articles, like those concerning Titans, where (deity) or (god)/(goddess) weren't really the right word. (They also complained that the RfC wasn't set up properly, but I don't know what the right way to set it up would have been.) Now I can't tell what decision, if any, will come out of the RfC. I hope it will at least establish that (mythology) is not the best disambiguating term for every ancient religion article, and that each article can be evaluated individually. That way, requests to move Jupiter or Set to a better title might actually succeed.
By the way, I am still working on Isis, though the way the work keeps expanding, I don't even bother predicting when I might finish anymore. I'd appreciate any comments you have once I do upload the rewritten version, so I'll leave a message here when it happens. I hope you'll keep an eye out, at least for another couple of years. A. Parrot ( talk) 22:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I finally got around to redirecting the Roman aristocracy page. Watch this space.-- Urg writer ( talk) 22:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I undid your addition of "citation needed" tags in the section of Benjamin Banneker entitled "Mythology and legacy of Benjamin Banneker.". The section is identical to the introductory section of the main article: Mythology and legacy of Benjamin Banneker, which the section cites directly beneath its title. The main article contains the relevant citations in the text that follows its introductory section. Corker1 ( talk) 19:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hello! You might remember me as the editor who made the Eclogue 4 article (and focused a tad too much on the Sibyl, heh). Anyway, I've recently really dived into a poem called Cento vergilianus de laudibus Christi, and I remembered your Latin expertise. I was wondering if you could peek over the article and maybe give it a cursory/unofficial peer review? I really appreciated your insights in regards to the Eclogue article. If not, I totally understand. Thanks!-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:21, 21 December 2015 (UTC) |
And to you and all as well! Wish I had more time for Wikipedia. I do miss it. Cynwolfe ( talk) 06:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Belated Merry Christmas to you. I have placed a question for you on Suetonius on Christians. I would be grateful for your comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.37.206 ( talk) 13:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe, I am sad to see your latest response on the Suetonius Talk page. I am not attacking you, but simply stating my observation on your lack of textual skills. Here is your latest example: you write "I've been trying to help you explore the ways your desired interpretation of the line might be included if it were supported by sources". But where have I expressed any desire or preference how the Suetonius line should be translated? That is something that exists only in your mind. And therefore I have become wary of how you approach text analysis. Which is a great pity because you obviously are a learned scholar, much better than me in Latin for sure.
I used only well-supported-available-in-wikipedia information for the table. All the links refer to the corresponding articles of specific languages, where the details can be retrieved. Your argument "for all I know, the chart could be plagiarized" is completely inadequate reason. Are "you" the source? The source is "what you know"? I will claim the restoration of the section, because the table is not a case of plagiarism -- Davius ( talk) 18:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
And it's a bit weird how easy I found it to write, considering how much I struggle to write anything on the Isis article itself. I intended to hold off on uploading it until I'd finished rewriting Isis to support it, but I've been feeling unproductive this year so far and decided to upload the one article I had ready to go. Any comments, questions, or suggestions? I expect to nominate it for GAN soon. A. Parrot ( talk) 08:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Cynwolfe, was wondering about your article Food and dining in the Roman Empire. Is there any particular reason you gave it that name vs. "Food and dining in ancient Rome"? The article appears to apply to more than simply the empire, and other articles to do with Roman culture tend to follow the other naming practice, as in Education in ancient Rome, Slavery in ancient Rome, Sexuality in ancient Rome and others. I am in no way challenging the name, and the article is great, I am purely curious.-- MainlyTwelve ( talk) 16:58, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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Fixed by JayJasper. Anyway, they were minor edits. -- Brayan Jaimes ( talk) 21:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
hello, at the risk of sounding repetitive, i was wondering if you could help me? i asked User:Student7 this question as well, as your mutual friend History2007 (or User:VanishedUserABC) made some controversial edits. here is what i wrote to student7:
i would be greatly appreciative if you could provide any assistance in this matter. thank you very much. 174.3.155.181 ( talk) 06:00, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Cynwolfe. I'm an editor (not very active till now) of the Italian Wikipedia, where the gender gap is a real issue. I'm trying to participate to an IEG with the project "Women are everywhere". You will find the draft at this link https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_are_everywhere It would be great if you could have a look at it. I need any kind of suggestion or advice to improve it. Support or endorsement would be fantastic. Many thanks, -- Kenzia ( talk) 15:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
You seem to be mostly a Latinist, so it may be out of your usual area, but as one of the few members of both WP:CGR and WP:WMNHIST I thought you might be interested to know that I'm trying to get Women in Classical Athens up to FA level, and to that end I have submitted it for peer review wp:Peer review/Women in Classical Athens/archive2. I'd be extremely grateful if you could give it a look. Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 21:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Just thought you should know there's a neat discussion going on about your additions to the sexuality in ancient rome page on Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/4gx1i0/the_sexuality_in_ancient_rome_article_is_nearly/ Lollipoplollipoplollipop ( talk) 10:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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... your name on my watchlist again. Paul August ☎ 00:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Wanted to ask about this one: you're correct that names aren't italicized because they're in foreign languages—but this was italicized because it was being used to refer to the name, not the person (i.e. he didn't become a new person, he acquired a new name). This is the distinction I've always made between the sentences, "he had three sons: Gaius, Lucius, and Sextus", and "he had three sons, named Gaius, Lucius, and Sextus." The first example refers directly to his sons; the second to their names (although also, indirectly, to the sons). I realize that the distinction between individuals by certain names and the names themselves (i.e. words used as words) is a bit hazy, but I've always thought it was useful. Or have I been confused all these years? That's possible, although I think I've been doing it right: italicizing names when indicating what someone's name has changed to. P Aculeius ( talk) 16:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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at Slavery in ancient Rome. I would never have dared. Haploidavey ( talk) 18:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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I've become more acquainted with your work and respect your knowledge and training as a historian.
In discussion with @ Furius we are creating a new article due to the growing interest in the topic. A way to channel the debates into something more useful. I thought someone with your expertise could add a lot of value on an article like this.
I know you probably have a lot of opinions on this topic (especially on the culture around state changing) so whenever you have a chance, would love for you to share them so we can start exploring them. (Don't mind the current content on the page, had to start with something.) Biz ( talk) 22:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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But this form of sexual release thus held little erotic cachet: to use one's own slaves was "one step up from masturbation".
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The paragraph you quote from Legal rights of women in history was lifted (usefully and appropriately) from the Roman sexuality article—I know because I was the one who wrote it there originally. (Incidentally, marital rape was not a crime in the United States till the 1970s, so it's a misplaced emphasis of indignation that it was not a crime two thousand years earlier.) You should read the whole Sexuality in ancient Rome article before complaining that it doesn't represent views that are in fact stated in it. For instance, did you read the section on marital sex and its subsections? From what you said about sex within Roman marriage, it seemed not. The goal of the article is to represent a wide range of perspectives, some of which are going to seem mutually contradictory because that is the nature of human sexuality and its often contrary and irrational impulses within the individual and societal attitudes at large. So to be clear: I was the one who researched and wrote the paragraph you're quoting, and elsewhere in this discussion you have been quoting statements that I researched and contributed to the article back in 2013 or so—content that has been disseminated over the last decade in various online ways.
However, what I did not know until I looked it up at this moment is that in the intervening years, the quoted scholar—a classics professor whose work was published by Cambridge UP, hence a reliable source as defined at WP:RS—has pleaded guilty to trading in child pornography. This taints his work in a way it might not if he wrote about something unrelated to sexuality. If you had approached on that basis, I would've heard you differently. I don't know what WP policy is, but I would not be comfortable using the work of a scholar who was guilty of a sex crime in an article about sexuality. This strikes me as different in substance from the Dirk Obbink dilemma. If the sentence bothers you—I still think it's consonant with the rest of the article and everything I have learned about the topic, so I'm sure the point can be made through other sources—I have no stomach to advocate for someone involved in child pornography. Cynwolfe ( talk) 16:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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