Hi Llywrch! I see you recently reviewed Daedalion for WikiProject Mythology. I haven't looked at Daedalion in a while but once upon a time I did a bit of work on it. Having just reviewed the page I wondered if you had any suggestions on how to bump up its rating a bit to maybe a C or B class article? All the best, Nyctimene ( talk) 00:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, Thanks for your comments at Talk:River Avon (Bristol)/GA1. I was wondering whether you had any time to look at my responses to your comments - particularly the additions re flooding etc which you suggested?— Rod talk 07:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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Llywrch, I wasn't sure whether you'd seen Zwerg Nase's comment on the review, saying you should feel free to fail it now, since the nominator has no time to make further adjustments to the article at present.
At over two and a half months, this is currently the second oldest GA review, and it should probably be closed now. Many thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 19:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Llywrch, some times ago I noticed that you removed several genealogic claims by Christian Settipani and his Nos ancêtres de l'Antiquité. I'm not opposing that at all, since I believe his claims are very speculative, but in many biographical articles regarding ancient Egypt (my field of interest on Wikipedia) Settipani's book is used as a source - often the only one - for family relationships. So I'm looking for a somewhat definitive answer about its effective reliability for such cases or not. Khruner ( talk) 12:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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look here. Seneca was 55 consul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikythos ( talk • contribs) 06:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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I've made some edits to the list of Roman consuls: partly linking various articles on the Julii, a bit of trimming on the praenomina section, but also standardizing the orthography; i.e. Iulius – Julius, Iunius – Junius, Iuventius – Juventius. I was nearly done when I realized how much work you'd already put into the article, and how you might react if you didn't like the changes. I realize that the article was like that long before you started revising it, but all the same you didn't change it, so maybe you liked it that way.
If you agree with my changes, fine; I doubt anybody else will complain. But if you would rather go back to the former orthography, please don't simply revert all of the changes (sorry about doing them all in one edit; I tend to be a "kitchen sink" editor; if I see something I can take care of in passing, I try to do it immediately so that I don't forget to do it later). I'm perfectly happy to discuss reverting to the original orthography, but would rather not lose the other edits. I think that there are several good reasons for using standard English orthography, but I'm not inflexible and I'm willing to be convinced.
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Understood, well if you could do one or two quick Ethiopia stubs when the kids have gone to bed on the weekend or something sometime every little counts haha!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:39, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! I've been doing a bit of maintenance on Roman gentes, and ran across an important member of the rather unimportant gens Appia: Lucius Appius Maximus Norbanus, a general under Domitian and Trajan. His entry in DGRBM says that he was consul in AD 103, attributing the date to the Fasti, but then citing to Dionysius. His entry in PIR suggests that he was consul twice in uncertain years. I was on the verge of trying to add him under 103 myself, but couldn't figure out how to do it without messing up your system, and I didn't want to risk it if it were possible you already knew about him, and left him out deliberately for some reason (such as the uncertainty in PIR). So I thought I'd let you know, so you could decide what to do with him! P Aculeius ( talk) 23:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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Regarding your note about the abovementioned consul, the entry is so given in PIR, but looking closely at the entry here I suspect it may be indicating some uncertainty as to the authenticity of Nonius (although there's no indication that it should be Pompeius, and it's hard to imagine how one could be turned into the other). My Latin is not good enough to interpret many of the notes in PIR; if I can't figure out what it says, and Google Translate doesn't help (it works more like a dictionary with Latin), I just have to ignore it and hope someone else can correct the mistake later. I wish I were better at interpreting PIR entries. But at least I can understand some of the Latin, which is more than I would if they were written in German, Italian, or Finnish. Anyway, as far as I can make out, the nomen may always have been suspect. But it could still have been part of the consul's name, even if Pompeius was also part of it. Not sure this is very helpful, but that's all I can glean from it! P Aculeius ( talk) 22:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Llywrch. Was working on the Ostorii today and found some discrepancies with the list of Roman consuls. The DGRBM says that the year of Scapula's consulship is not certain, but that some Fasti assign it to AD 46. It also says that he became governor of Britain in 50, which is contradicted by his article and PIR, which say 47. However, PIR also suggests that he was consul shortly before taking up the government of Britain, which would make sense if he had been consul in 46. The List of Roman consuls dates him to 41, based on Gallivan's reconstruction of the Fasti during the reign of Claudius.
But I just found an inscription, AE 1980 907, which gives the date by the consulship of Gaius Selius Rufus and Quintus Ostorius Scapula. This seems to correspond with the Publius Suillius Rufus I assume Gallivan lists in 41, which if correct does give us the date. But there was a Quintus Ostorius Scapula, who was one of the first praetorian prefects, and likely Publius' father. He might have been the consul of 41, or perhaps the consul was an older brother of Publius (typically the eldest son would be named after his father), in which case Publius is probably one of the suffecti for 46, as the other sources seem to indicate. I may know more once I've gone through the rest of the inscriptions, but right now I'm thinking that the consul of 41 might not have been Publius. P Aculeius ( talk) 03:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Llywrch. Thanks for your contributions to Germania Superior, especially for your work in adding references here and here documenting the list of Governors. When using the same source repeatedly in a list like that, a good way to do that is through the use of named refs.
The problem with a formulation like, Governor Magnificus Vir, 56-59 A.D.<ref>"Unless otherwise noted, governors from 56-125 are taken from (Complete Source Info Here)"</ref> followed by a list of several other governors in that time span that all rely on the same source but that have no citations, is that as soon as you've moved on to other things and a few other editors have jumped in, no one really knows anymore which ones are covered by that source and which ones aren't, as the information may have been changed. To maintain verifiability, I made a change to the section you edited to use named refs instead, for all the items that I think you meant to cover. So now, it looks like this, but if you could please check it out to make sure this change accurately reflects what you meant, I'd appreciate it. [Please reply here, if you choose to reply.] Mathglot ( talk) 02:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
However, my style is simple. I find having identical footnotes to a long series of entries annoying. By explaining the range of entries that are based on a source in the footnotes, it future-proofs the by allowing another editor to add a name or change a name within that range while requiring a reference for only one entry. I feel the point of the sourcing obvious. Lastly, if too many edits result in more exceptions than cases for the range of entries to which the footnote apply, another editor should adjust the edit accordingly.
As a result, I'd greatly appreciate it if you didn't change the way I source these lists. -- llywrch ( talk) 04:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! Ran across two undated consuls while working on revisions to gens Arruntia, and found a source that provided an approximate date, but I wasn't sure how you'd approach adding them to the table, so I thought I'd post here. Also, while I was looking for where to add them, I ran across an entry that may need to be moved, but then again it could just be a typo, and since I don't have the original source to refer to, I thought it best to mention it to you.
The mistake is listed around AD 150, where you have a consul Quintus Antonius Cassius Cassianus listed as "mid-1st century". Was just about to move him there, when I noticed the source citation seems very close to the following entries, which are mid-2nd century, so I concluded it was more likely to be a typo.
The new pair of consuls are Lucius Arruntius and Titus Flavius Bassus, from CIL X, 6785, where they are suffecti x. kal. Dec., i.e. November 22. Henri Schuermans, at page 86, citing Emil Hübner with relation to the shapes of the letters in the inscription, places them at the end of the second century. I wasn't sure how you would want to cite this, or whether you'd cite it at all. P Aculeius ( talk) 13:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
What I hope will become the general rule once I've finished at least the first pass through this list is that if someone wants to make a change & has a reliable source published more recently, they can revise the entry with no hesitation. But what you've handed me is an older reliable source. I'm reluctant to add them as "second half of 2nd century". First, neither Arruntius or Flavius are eponymous consuls, thus they are suffects. Then there's the issue that outside of Italy proper no inscription has been found with a date after AD 153 that references suffect consuls, & none in Italy outside of Rome after 175. (The chancery is known to have dated military diplomas in reference to suffect consuls until 206.) Finally, the letter-forms in this inscription seem unusual for the period -- especially the "M"s & "A"s, although this might just be an idiosyncrasy of the engraver or the person who wrote the inscription. Therefore, while it's likely they are a 2nd-century pair, I'd say from the first half of the century. It also doesn't help that when I looked up CIL X, 6785 in the Epigraphik-Datenbank Clauss / Slaby EDCS website, there is no evidence anyone has studied this inscription; none of its links offer a date for the inscription -- which one or more often do. Schuermans appears to have been the last person to offer a comment on this inscription! I'll need to research this pair further. -- llywrch ( talk) 21:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! Ran across this inscription while adding the Petellii to gens Petillia, and tried to date it: CIL VIII, 18065. If I read it correctly, it's dated to the third consulship of Marcus Aurelius, i.e. AD 161. Fronto is listed as consul designatus, but he wasn't on the list of Roman consuls, or the list of consuls designate. Checking the list of undated consuls, he's listed as circa 151. Not sure what the basis for that year is, although you might be. But if my understanding of the inscription is correct, it strongly suggests that Fronto was consul designatus—and probably consul shortly thereafter, since he's listed as an undated consul, not a designate—in 161. Does this give us a firm date? P Aculeius ( talk) 15:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyway, Frontinianus needs an entry somewhere. I'm not sure what the criteria is to put people on the "undated consuls" list vs. the "designated consuls" list. This is something I've been wondering about for a while, since I've stumbled over a few other designated consuls. Maybe the latter list is for people who were selected to be consuls, but for some reason did not actually hold the fasces. In any case, feel free to add him to the most appropriate of the two lists. -- llywrch ( talk) 01:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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Making good on my plans, I finally devoted today to creating a separate article for the Capitoline Fasti, after spending much of yesterday filling in the tables. They could stand to be better, although I generally like the layout and appearance of the tables. Wish it were easier to set the spacing vertically. Wonder if you could have a look at the article. I know I can be a little precious about my prose (sorry), but I'd like to know if it seems decently written, sourced, and (most importantly) useful. Considering the hours I spent on the tables, I hope it is! I know it overlaps the list of consuls, but my goal was to make the source inscriptions more accessible for easy reference, and I'd like to do something similar with the Ostienses and the minor fasti (possibly combining the shorter ones). I suspect my discussion of the historicity of the Fasti isn't the strongest, and is likely to generate disagreements with the Forsythians. Can you think of any obvious improvements to the structure of the article, or its appearance? P Aculeius ( talk) 04:48, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to keep posting here, but a new problem has reared its head. As you probably recall, we had a problem at one point with people moving these articles to the bare nomen, on the grounds that (gens) was unnecessary disambiguation, even though the bare nomen would invariably refer to individual women for many gentes (theoretically almost all of them). This would make the names of these articles completely unpredictable; users wouldn't be able to guess what to type in for the gens, or whether the nomen led to a page about a person, a gens, or in some cases to other things (towns, institutions, spiders, butterflies). The solution to this seemed to be to title the articles without parentheses, since the word "gens" is usually attached and often included in references to the topic.
Since the most recent kerfuffle, it's apparent that all gens articles should eventually be moved to this style, and all new articles have been written with it for the last several weeks. This is all the more important as we now have other wikipundits insisting that parentheses are the least preferable form of disambiguation. So the new style deflects both groups and is still a natural naming style. Articles that already have the new style shouldn't be moved to the old style; old articles should be moved to the new and better style. That may take a while, and right now I'm focusing on making sure existing articles are written in the proper format, but we should get to that. I urge you not to move the newer articles back to the old style, which is just going to leave them vulnerable to unnecessary criticism from the wikipundits. P Aculeius ( talk) 00:35, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch. Thought I would call upon your expertise. While making a mini-catalogue (for my own reference) of certain uncommon names found in the CS databank, I ran across a few mentions of a Spurius Oppius who was consul in AD 43. This is interesting to me as a very late example of the name, although there seem to be isolated instances as late as the second or third century in the databank. The table gives his praenomen as Lucius.
On further examination, it looks like the praenomen has been interpolated in some of the inscriptions, but there are two from Herculaneum in which it's written: once as Lucius and once as Spurius. Gallivan has it as Lucius, as you note, but he does not mention any uncertainty. Perhaps the second inscription was not known to him? At any rate, the interpolated entries seem to prefer Spurius, which suggests to me a deliberate choice, for there ought to be some reason. A Google search turned up nothing helpful! Do any of your sources for this period shed any light on why Spurius might be the preferred reading? I see insufficient cause to change it in the table or elsewhere unless some scholarly source can explain why one should be preferred over the other—wishful thinking is not enough! P Aculeius ( talk) 23:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, Llywrch. Noticed your deletion of "Publius" from the middle of this consul's nomenclature, and wondered, "if there were no source, how did I get it there in the first place?" It probably wouldn't have been in the DGRBM, which usually has minimal information on minor Imperial consuls, and was written when complex Roman polyonomy was still utterly baffling to most scholars; and the cited sources, as you say, don't contain it. Just as odd was the redirect with "Publicus" instead. I guessed perhaps I'd taken it from the List of Roman Consuls, but I still wanted to figure out where it came from. Searching the C-S Databank under Bellicius (root Bellici works) didn't produce anything, and I checked the Fasti Potentini twice. But I also had it on a personal list of Imperial consuls I'd tried to draw up from sources I could identify and check (sort of a "what's in the most unimpeachable and available sources"). It's not in PIR—at least not under "Bellicius".
Then inspiration struck. Since partial nomenclatures are sometimes found, I wondered if the explanation might appear under a "Publius Gavidius"... but narrowing my search parameters, I checked the C-S Databank for "Gavidi" and "Tebani", and then I found two inscriptions from uncertain provinces: AE 2012, 1959, which gives the date of an event as: "a(nte) d(iem) VI Idus Iunias / C(aio) Ducenio Proculo / C(aio) Bellico Natale P(ublio) Gavidio Tebaniano co(n)s(ulibus)". AE 2009, 1825, also from an uncertain province, uses the same, but as the name is here reconstructed, it seems less certain. Not sure if the 2009 date means that the current reconstruction predates the publication of the 2012 inscription, in which case there must have been an earlier source for the internal praenomen, which thus far has eluded our searches. But as the 2012 inscription seems to leave no ambiguity (and indeed, it's cited in the List of Roman Consuls as Gallivan's source for Bellico instead of Bellicio, although here I suspect the inscription must be regarded as mistaken, or else simply using an orthographic variant, as his father was a Bellicius, and other inscriptions so give his nomen) and isn't a reconstruction or interpolation, I think there's firm ground for restoring the internal praenomen. However, referring this to you in case you'd already found this and decided that it wasn't to be followed for some reason. P Aculeius ( talk) 13:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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But as I said before, only if you have the time & interest. And no real hurry about it either. Thanks in advance if you take this on. -- llywrch ( talk) 02:36, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, I am not going to start a long discussion, let me just summarize what happened. You banned me from the topic where I made zero controversial edits and participated in the talk page discussion that lasted just a couple of days. During that discussion I declared an intention to edit that and some related articles after I read more on that topic, and made a couple of not completely careful statements that could be seen as insulting by a person with good fantasy (later, when I read more on that subject, I realised I was not completely right and I apologized). By the moment the ANI request was submitted the discussion essentially ended, so, if we assume that there was some violation, the ban was purely punitive.
Furthermore, since you write you "cannot fathom" a reason I requested apologies, I'll explain: people accused me of the lack of competence and pushing fringe theories. I provided the evidences that prove the views I was advocating were not fringe (probably, significant minority), which demonstrated both arguments were wrong. I apologized for my not careful statement, and it was logical to ask them to concede they were not right.
Regarding the "threat" to submit an arbitration request, every user has a right to inform any other user about their intentions, and I do not understand what is wrong with what I did. Moreover, I just tried to be honest, because I am really contemplating to resort to arbitration, because I sincerely believe a situation when a mob insufficiently competent users have a right to irresponsively vote for sanctions against those whom they dislike poses a significant danger to Wikipedia. Since you cited this as a reason for the ban, you actually punished me for being honest. And, by the way, if a ban is aimed to protect Wikipedia, and the major action I was sanctioned for was my possible intention to address to ArbCom, how can this ban prevent me from that?
In general, I think your decision is far from optimal, but I perceive the situation more from a humorous point of view: admins were definitely supposed to end it and to take some action. I am not too interested in this narrow topic, and I already realized that there is no chance for me to edit this particular article, because the core of the conflict was not about sources or a content, but about style, which is a matter of one's taste, so in that case the decision in made by a vote.
I will be technically unavailable during next couple of weeks, so I have no choice but to take you advice and make a break. After that, let's try to think together how to resolve this ridiculous situation, because it sets a bad precedent.-- Paul Siebert ( talk) 22:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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At over two and a half months, this is currently the second oldest GA review, and it should probably be closed now. Many thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 19:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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While I appreciate your enthusiasm for improving articles on various Roman gentes and related articles, I would like to ask you to observe certain policies when editing them, since going back and correcting these edits can be very time-consuming. First, please do not change citation format from one style to another. I have no objection to changing "Livius" to "Livy" or using ref name tags to avoid unnecessary duplication. However, if a specific piece of information is cited to "Livy v. 1–3", please do not change it to "Livy 5.1–3." I understand that you might prefer one style to the other, but there is no inherent superiority to one citation method, and in fact converting book numbers to Arabic numerals makes it more likely for typographical errors to creep in; and this is aside from the fact that doing it only in the citations you edit for other reasons means that the same source may be cited by different methods in a single article, creating additional confusion.
Also, please do not delete entries for individuals known only from inscriptions or inferred from filiations. Notability is the criterion for including articles about individuals, not for mentioning individuals in articles possessing independent notability, as is the case with Roman gentes. These articles are intended to be fully-inclusive, at least insofar as it is possible to do so based on nomenclature (with perhaps a few exceptions from late Imperial times, when it becomes difficult to distinguish gentiles on the basis of their names, particularly anyone named "Flavius"). Even if all that is known of Lucius Stultius is that he was the grandfather of Marcus Stultius Perditissimus, he should still appear in the list. This is particularly important with smaller gentes, as it demonstrates continuity, extent, and time span, as well as the use of names by families and branches of families over time.
The general rule for citation in these articles is that individuals who possess their own articles are linked thereto, where sources can be given for the various details of their lives; so these are not usually cited in the gens articles, although in some cases citations may be given anyway. Citations are generally provided for any individual not possessing a separate article, together with a brief summary of the person's significance, insofar as that can be condensed into one or two lines, generally focused on offices held or significant events, if any. No citation is given for individuals known only from the filiations of other persons listed. Relationships to others are usually mentioned only when they are the most important things known about the person; this is to keep entries from becoming genealogical rather than biographical. Additional details would go in separate articles about each person, if warranted.
I hope these guidelines won't dampen your interest in the topic; I simply want to explain some of the policies in question in order to avoid conflicts with these articles. P Aculeius ( talk) 18:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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look here. Seneca was 55 consul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikythos ( talk • contribs) 06:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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I've made some edits to the list of Roman consuls: partly linking various articles on the Julii, a bit of trimming on the praenomina section, but also standardizing the orthography; i.e. Iulius – Julius, Iunius – Junius, Iuventius – Juventius. I was nearly done when I realized how much work you'd already put into the article, and how you might react if you didn't like the changes. I realize that the article was like that long before you started revising it, but all the same you didn't change it, so maybe you liked it that way.
If you agree with my changes, fine; I doubt anybody else will complain. But if you would rather go back to the former orthography, please don't simply revert all of the changes (sorry about doing them all in one edit; I tend to be a "kitchen sink" editor; if I see something I can take care of in passing, I try to do it immediately so that I don't forget to do it later). I'm perfectly happy to discuss reverting to the original orthography, but would rather not lose the other edits. I think that there are several good reasons for using standard English orthography, but I'm not inflexible and I'm willing to be convinced.
Otherwise, I'm glad to see such a dedicated editor working hard on project pages. Good work! P Aculeius ( talk) 06:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! I've been doing a bit of maintenance on Roman gentes, and ran across an important member of the rather unimportant gens Appia: Lucius Appius Maximus Norbanus, a general under Domitian and Trajan. His entry in DGRBM says that he was consul in AD 103, attributing the date to the Fasti, but then citing to Dionysius. His entry in PIR suggests that he was consul twice in uncertain years. I was on the verge of trying to add him under 103 myself, but couldn't figure out how to do it without messing up your system, and I didn't want to risk it if it were possible you already knew about him, and left him out deliberately for some reason (such as the uncertainty in PIR). So I thought I'd let you know, so you could decide what to do with him! P Aculeius ( talk) 23:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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Regarding your note about the abovementioned consul, the entry is so given in PIR, but looking closely at the entry here I suspect it may be indicating some uncertainty as to the authenticity of Nonius (although there's no indication that it should be Pompeius, and it's hard to imagine how one could be turned into the other). My Latin is not good enough to interpret many of the notes in PIR; if I can't figure out what it says, and Google Translate doesn't help (it works more like a dictionary with Latin), I just have to ignore it and hope someone else can correct the mistake later. I wish I were better at interpreting PIR entries. But at least I can understand some of the Latin, which is more than I would if they were written in German, Italian, or Finnish. Anyway, as far as I can make out, the nomen may always have been suspect. But it could still have been part of the consul's name, even if Pompeius was also part of it. Not sure this is very helpful, but that's all I can glean from it! P Aculeius ( talk) 22:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Llywrch. Was working on the Ostorii today and found some discrepancies with the list of Roman consuls. The DGRBM says that the year of Scapula's consulship is not certain, but that some Fasti assign it to AD 46. It also says that he became governor of Britain in 50, which is contradicted by his article and PIR, which say 47. However, PIR also suggests that he was consul shortly before taking up the government of Britain, which would make sense if he had been consul in 46. The List of Roman consuls dates him to 41, based on Gallivan's reconstruction of the Fasti during the reign of Claudius.
But I just found an inscription, AE 1980 907, which gives the date by the consulship of Gaius Selius Rufus and Quintus Ostorius Scapula. This seems to correspond with the Publius Suillius Rufus I assume Gallivan lists in 41, which if correct does give us the date. But there was a Quintus Ostorius Scapula, who was one of the first praetorian prefects, and likely Publius' father. He might have been the consul of 41, or perhaps the consul was an older brother of Publius (typically the eldest son would be named after his father), in which case Publius is probably one of the suffecti for 46, as the other sources seem to indicate. I may know more once I've gone through the rest of the inscriptions, but right now I'm thinking that the consul of 41 might not have been Publius. P Aculeius ( talk) 03:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Llywrch. Thanks for your contributions to Germania Superior, especially for your work in adding references here and here documenting the list of Governors. When using the same source repeatedly in a list like that, a good way to do that is through the use of named refs.
The problem with a formulation like, Governor Magnificus Vir, 56-59 A.D.<ref>"Unless otherwise noted, governors from 56-125 are taken from (Complete Source Info Here)"</ref> followed by a list of several other governors in that time span that all rely on the same source but that have no citations, is that as soon as you've moved on to other things and a few other editors have jumped in, no one really knows anymore which ones are covered by that source and which ones aren't, as the information may have been changed. To maintain verifiability, I made a change to the section you edited to use named refs instead, for all the items that I think you meant to cover. So now, it looks like this, but if you could please check it out to make sure this change accurately reflects what you meant, I'd appreciate it. [Please reply here, if you choose to reply.] Mathglot ( talk) 02:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
However, my style is simple. I find having identical footnotes to a long series of entries annoying. By explaining the range of entries that are based on a source in the footnotes, it future-proofs the by allowing another editor to add a name or change a name within that range while requiring a reference for only one entry. I feel the point of the sourcing obvious. Lastly, if too many edits result in more exceptions than cases for the range of entries to which the footnote apply, another editor should adjust the edit accordingly.
As a result, I'd greatly appreciate it if you didn't change the way I source these lists. -- llywrch ( talk) 04:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! Ran across two undated consuls while working on revisions to gens Arruntia, and found a source that provided an approximate date, but I wasn't sure how you'd approach adding them to the table, so I thought I'd post here. Also, while I was looking for where to add them, I ran across an entry that may need to be moved, but then again it could just be a typo, and since I don't have the original source to refer to, I thought it best to mention it to you.
The mistake is listed around AD 150, where you have a consul Quintus Antonius Cassius Cassianus listed as "mid-1st century". Was just about to move him there, when I noticed the source citation seems very close to the following entries, which are mid-2nd century, so I concluded it was more likely to be a typo.
The new pair of consuls are Lucius Arruntius and Titus Flavius Bassus, from CIL X, 6785, where they are suffecti x. kal. Dec., i.e. November 22. Henri Schuermans, at page 86, citing Emil Hübner with relation to the shapes of the letters in the inscription, places them at the end of the second century. I wasn't sure how you would want to cite this, or whether you'd cite it at all. P Aculeius ( talk) 13:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
What I hope will become the general rule once I've finished at least the first pass through this list is that if someone wants to make a change & has a reliable source published more recently, they can revise the entry with no hesitation. But what you've handed me is an older reliable source. I'm reluctant to add them as "second half of 2nd century". First, neither Arruntius or Flavius are eponymous consuls, thus they are suffects. Then there's the issue that outside of Italy proper no inscription has been found with a date after AD 153 that references suffect consuls, & none in Italy outside of Rome after 175. (The chancery is known to have dated military diplomas in reference to suffect consuls until 206.) Finally, the letter-forms in this inscription seem unusual for the period -- especially the "M"s & "A"s, although this might just be an idiosyncrasy of the engraver or the person who wrote the inscription. Therefore, while it's likely they are a 2nd-century pair, I'd say from the first half of the century. It also doesn't help that when I looked up CIL X, 6785 in the Epigraphik-Datenbank Clauss / Slaby EDCS website, there is no evidence anyone has studied this inscription; none of its links offer a date for the inscription -- which one or more often do. Schuermans appears to have been the last person to offer a comment on this inscription! I'll need to research this pair further. -- llywrch ( talk) 21:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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Obviously, this can refer to Publius Silius Nerva and often does, as in the inscription cited at Camunni, which prompted me to make the redirect. Srnec ( talk) 03:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! Ran across this inscription while adding the Petellii to gens Petillia, and tried to date it: CIL VIII, 18065. If I read it correctly, it's dated to the third consulship of Marcus Aurelius, i.e. AD 161. Fronto is listed as consul designatus, but he wasn't on the list of Roman consuls, or the list of consuls designate. Checking the list of undated consuls, he's listed as circa 151. Not sure what the basis for that year is, although you might be. But if my understanding of the inscription is correct, it strongly suggests that Fronto was consul designatus—and probably consul shortly thereafter, since he's listed as an undated consul, not a designate—in 161. Does this give us a firm date? P Aculeius ( talk) 15:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyway, Frontinianus needs an entry somewhere. I'm not sure what the criteria is to put people on the "undated consuls" list vs. the "designated consuls" list. This is something I've been wondering about for a while, since I've stumbled over a few other designated consuls. Maybe the latter list is for people who were selected to be consuls, but for some reason did not actually hold the fasces. In any case, feel free to add him to the most appropriate of the two lists. -- llywrch ( talk) 01:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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Making good on my plans, I finally devoted today to creating a separate article for the Capitoline Fasti, after spending much of yesterday filling in the tables. They could stand to be better, although I generally like the layout and appearance of the tables. Wish it were easier to set the spacing vertically. Wonder if you could have a look at the article. I know I can be a little precious about my prose (sorry), but I'd like to know if it seems decently written, sourced, and (most importantly) useful. Considering the hours I spent on the tables, I hope it is! I know it overlaps the list of consuls, but my goal was to make the source inscriptions more accessible for easy reference, and I'd like to do something similar with the Ostienses and the minor fasti (possibly combining the shorter ones). I suspect my discussion of the historicity of the Fasti isn't the strongest, and is likely to generate disagreements with the Forsythians. Can you think of any obvious improvements to the structure of the article, or its appearance? P Aculeius ( talk) 04:48, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to keep posting here, but a new problem has reared its head. As you probably recall, we had a problem at one point with people moving these articles to the bare nomen, on the grounds that (gens) was unnecessary disambiguation, even though the bare nomen would invariably refer to individual women for many gentes (theoretically almost all of them). This would make the names of these articles completely unpredictable; users wouldn't be able to guess what to type in for the gens, or whether the nomen led to a page about a person, a gens, or in some cases to other things (towns, institutions, spiders, butterflies). The solution to this seemed to be to title the articles without parentheses, since the word "gens" is usually attached and often included in references to the topic.
Since the most recent kerfuffle, it's apparent that all gens articles should eventually be moved to this style, and all new articles have been written with it for the last several weeks. This is all the more important as we now have other wikipundits insisting that parentheses are the least preferable form of disambiguation. So the new style deflects both groups and is still a natural naming style. Articles that already have the new style shouldn't be moved to the old style; old articles should be moved to the new and better style. That may take a while, and right now I'm focusing on making sure existing articles are written in the proper format, but we should get to that. I urge you not to move the newer articles back to the old style, which is just going to leave them vulnerable to unnecessary criticism from the wikipundits. P Aculeius ( talk) 00:35, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch. Thought I would call upon your expertise. While making a mini-catalogue (for my own reference) of certain uncommon names found in the CS databank, I ran across a few mentions of a Spurius Oppius who was consul in AD 43. This is interesting to me as a very late example of the name, although there seem to be isolated instances as late as the second or third century in the databank. The table gives his praenomen as Lucius.
On further examination, it looks like the praenomen has been interpolated in some of the inscriptions, but there are two from Herculaneum in which it's written: once as Lucius and once as Spurius. Gallivan has it as Lucius, as you note, but he does not mention any uncertainty. Perhaps the second inscription was not known to him? At any rate, the interpolated entries seem to prefer Spurius, which suggests to me a deliberate choice, for there ought to be some reason. A Google search turned up nothing helpful! Do any of your sources for this period shed any light on why Spurius might be the preferred reading? I see insufficient cause to change it in the table or elsewhere unless some scholarly source can explain why one should be preferred over the other—wishful thinking is not enough! P Aculeius ( talk) 23:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, Llywrch. Noticed your deletion of "Publius" from the middle of this consul's nomenclature, and wondered, "if there were no source, how did I get it there in the first place?" It probably wouldn't have been in the DGRBM, which usually has minimal information on minor Imperial consuls, and was written when complex Roman polyonomy was still utterly baffling to most scholars; and the cited sources, as you say, don't contain it. Just as odd was the redirect with "Publicus" instead. I guessed perhaps I'd taken it from the List of Roman Consuls, but I still wanted to figure out where it came from. Searching the C-S Databank under Bellicius (root Bellici works) didn't produce anything, and I checked the Fasti Potentini twice. But I also had it on a personal list of Imperial consuls I'd tried to draw up from sources I could identify and check (sort of a "what's in the most unimpeachable and available sources"). It's not in PIR—at least not under "Bellicius".
Then inspiration struck. Since partial nomenclatures are sometimes found, I wondered if the explanation might appear under a "Publius Gavidius"... but narrowing my search parameters, I checked the C-S Databank for "Gavidi" and "Tebani", and then I found two inscriptions from uncertain provinces: AE 2012, 1959, which gives the date of an event as: "a(nte) d(iem) VI Idus Iunias / C(aio) Ducenio Proculo / C(aio) Bellico Natale P(ublio) Gavidio Tebaniano co(n)s(ulibus)". AE 2009, 1825, also from an uncertain province, uses the same, but as the name is here reconstructed, it seems less certain. Not sure if the 2009 date means that the current reconstruction predates the publication of the 2012 inscription, in which case there must have been an earlier source for the internal praenomen, which thus far has eluded our searches. But as the 2012 inscription seems to leave no ambiguity (and indeed, it's cited in the List of Roman Consuls as Gallivan's source for Bellico instead of Bellicio, although here I suspect the inscription must be regarded as mistaken, or else simply using an orthographic variant, as his father was a Bellicius, and other inscriptions so give his nomen) and isn't a reconstruction or interpolation, I think there's firm ground for restoring the internal praenomen. However, referring this to you in case you'd already found this and decided that it wasn't to be followed for some reason. P Aculeius ( talk) 13:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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'Ello, and I just replied to your 2010 comment here, so at this rate I suppose we shall chat again in 2026. Do please enjoy excellent health until then. 09:46, 26 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by .Raven ( talk • contribs)
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The AfroCine Project welcomes you to October, the first out of the two months which has been dedicated to improving contents that centre around the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.
This is a global online edit-a-thon, which is happening in at least 5 language editions of Wikipedia, including the English Wikipedia! Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand articles which are connected to this scope. Also remember to list your name under the participants section, if you haven't done so already.
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Hi Llywrch, I am looking to do some work on a few Romans to try and bring them up to B class. I don't want to joggle your elbow, so is Lucius Minicius Natalis Quadronius Verus one which you would rather I left alone? There are plenty to go at, so don't be shy if you had it ear marked to work on yourself. Thanks. Gog the Mild ( talk) 23:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I just saw you had closed a discussion while I was typing a (too) long post in it. As it was a new section, it ended up outside the closed part. Please feel free to remove it if you feel your close covers it, although I proposed stronger action. Have a great day! Jeppiz ( talk) 20:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, I am not going to start a long discussion, let me just summarize what happened. You banned me from the topic where I made zero controversial edits and participated in the talk page discussion that lasted just a couple of days. During that discussion I declared an intention to edit that and some related articles after I read more on that topic, and made a couple of not completely careful statements that could be seen as insulting by a person with good fantasy (later, when I read more on that subject, I realised I was not completely right and I apologized). By the moment the ANI request was submitted the discussion essentially ended, so, if we assume that there was some violation, the ban was purely punitive.
Furthermore, since you write you "cannot fathom" a reason I requested apologies, I'll explain: people accused me of the lack of competence and pushing fringe theories. I provided the evidences that prove the views I was advocating were not fringe (probably, significant minority), which demonstrated both arguments were wrong. I apologized for my not careful statement, and it was logical to ask them to concede they were not right.
Regarding the "threat" to submit an arbitration request, every user has a right to inform any other user about their intentions, and I do not understand what is wrong with what I did. Moreover, I just tried to be honest, because I am really contemplating to resort to arbitration, because I sincerely believe a situation when a mob insufficiently competent users have a right to irresponsively vote for sanctions against those whom they dislike poses a significant danger to Wikipedia. Since you cited this as a reason for the ban, you actually punished me for being honest. And, by the way, if a ban is aimed to protect Wikipedia, and the major action I was sanctioned for was my possible intention to address to ArbCom, how can this ban prevent me from that?
In general, I think your decision is far from optimal, but I perceive the situation more from a humorous point of view: admins were definitely supposed to end it and to take some action. I am not too interested in this narrow topic, and I already realized that there is no chance for me to edit this particular article, because the core of the conflict was not about sources or a content, but about style, which is a matter of one's taste, so in that case the decision in made by a vote.
I will be technically unavailable during next couple of weeks, so I have no choice but to take you advice and make a break. After that, let's try to think together how to resolve this ridiculous situation, because it sets a bad precedent.-- Paul Siebert ( talk) 22:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)