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Does anyone else think that TMC should be moved down into the subgames list? It is part of the Four Swords series, after all and conflicts a little with the main "standards" of Hyrule e.g. the Master Sword, the Triforce. Ian Moody 12:29, 13 April 2005 (UTC)
The Four Swords Series
Due to the nature of the Four Swords games as well as The Minish Cap, and how they for many various reasons do not seem to relate directly with the rest of the games more or less makes placing them in a timeline related to the rest of the games a guessing game, and therefore we have decided to not try to place them in the main timeline theory, but rather treat the Four Swords games as a "sub-series" of its own within the Zelda franchise. The fact that yet another Four Swords game has been confirmed to be on its way to the Nintendo DS strengthens this decision.
...there's already at least one more FS game on the horizon, so I think when that is released the FS games should have their own entire subline, separate from the BS and CD-i Zeldas. Master Thief Garrett 23:20, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So, any thoughts on the matter? The problem is how to format it. The FS line would need to look like it was intended to be separate from the rest, rather than the result of an accidental bumping of the <Enter> key; however it must not be a size that makes it look less important than the main series, or makes it look like it is a preceding line of the subgames at the very bottom. What are your thoughts on this? Master Thief Garrett 03:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Do you think this needs to be moved? After all Master Quest is just a remix of OOT. It's not really a separate game, and is often classed alongside the original, much like Link's Awakening DX is. Does anyone else agree, and if now what are your thoughts on this? Master Thief Garrett 23:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Am I the only one who finds the new colors to be quite garish? ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:28, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
Maybe use a very, very dark green, like Zelda.com has. Rather than just go with the generic lilac (or whatever it's technically called). Garrett Talk 09:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I hate to cause trouble or anything, but I can't for the life of me understand some of the changes that have gone on recently here. I had barely come to tolerate the notion of slagging 'The Minish Cap' off as a separate entity, when the subsection gets re-named "spinoff titles". How in the world can you justify calling TMC a "spinoff"? It is a valid Zelda game, not like the proposed "Tingle" title, which is a proper spinoff. This nonsensical attitude towards TMC has to stop. It was one thing when it was being grouped in with the 'Four Swords' titles on purely stylistic grounds, but calling it a "spinoff" is, frankly, an insult to the title. Rhindle The Red 13:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
During the be-bold edit I also removed the italics from each games title-- this was an effort to keep this series box consistent with most other series boxes I've come across. Is there a particular reason we should keep it italicized? Thanks! -- Locke Cole 11:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
The nbsp (non-breaking space) keep the titles from wrapping in mid-name (and also keep dashes from starting a line). Please don't remove them. — Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 10:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the centered version was much better. Is everyone really attached to this format? -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 16:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe the main characters should stay in the template since they are an important part of the series, which the template is part of. Jedi6 -(need help?) 00:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a hoax, not a real game. If somebody finds concrete information on "Zelda III" for NES, a new article may be added to this template. Please leave it off as the article is about a fan-hoax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSA ( talk • contribs)
I actually have some interesting info, though it may not be concrete. It comes from Prima's The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Unauthorized Game Secrets, by Zach Meston. In the introduction, page 3, it says, and I quote... "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is a 16-bit continuation of the Zelda game series. Most players refer to it as Zelda III, but that's not the game's official title, and Nintendo of America Inc. states that they may yet release a true Zelda III video game for the 8-bit NES. (After the 16-bit intensity of LTP, however, it's doubtful that many players would care much about another 8-bit Zelda game.)" Now, this doesn't necessarily say that the Triforce Saga is a real game, but it does say that a 'true' Zelda III was considered at one point, even after A Link to the Past was made. He says that Nintendo of America stated that it was a possibility, so this may be where the GBC remake trilogy came about: using ideas for the conclusion as the third game. Again, I'm not saying that the Triforce Saga is real, but I am saying that there may indeed have been an NES Zelda III at one point. I do find it a bit weird, however, that Mr. Meston references Nintendo of America as a source, and the cart for Triforce Saga is an American one.
Why is it that some people feel that The Legend of Zelda: The Hero of Time independent film does not belong in this template? Sure, it has not yet been released and is not officially endorsed by Nintendo, but it is still part of the series. The CD-i games are on there, even if they are not officially endorsed by Nintendo. Given, it may not need its own "Independent film" category, but I feel that it should be on there. Even if you want to say that it is not an official part of the series, for people who are reading about The Legend of Zelda series, they should know that it is out there and is still Zelda, even if Nintendo had nothing to do with it. - Platypus Man | Talk 18:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
not officially endorsed by Nintendo
but it is still part of the series
The CD-i games are on there, even if they are not officially endorsed by Nintendo.
is still Zelda
Okay, I like how that huge section was split into "remakes" and "unreleased" sections, but where should the Zelda Collector's Edition bit go? There's only been one collection - I don't think it merits its own "Collections" section. I propose that the "spinoffs" section be renamed "other" and to put the Zelda Collector's Edition with that section. Hbdragon88 18:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. To combine the last two topics (the first of which I started), I say we rename "Spinoffs" to "Other," place it at the bottom (or maybe right above "Unreleased"), move the Collecter's Edition to it, remove the "Collections" section, and add The Hero of Time movie and the cartoon series to the same "Other" section. True, they may not all fit together, but that's what an "Other" section is designed to have. Also -- the existing "Spinoffs" aren't really spinoffs in a traditional sense, in my opinion. How do you like that idea? - Platypus Man | Talk 20:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Why are these used in the template? Jaxad0127 17:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "Unofficial" part in the table of the CD-i games. First, it makes the table look awkward and second, like 'em or hate 'em, they are lisenced by Nintendo and thus official - even if Nintendo doesn't acknowledge them. 71.244.180.131 01:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Listen to yourself! If nintendo DON'T acknowledge them them they aren't really official -- Zeldamaster3 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Geez, someone doesn't know how this stuff works. Okay, it is I L L E G A L if they went ahead and did a Zelda game without licensing. And they did get approval and licensing by Nintendo, who owns the copyright. Like it or not, if something is licensed, it is O F F I C I A L. So what if they don't acknowledge it? That doesn't change the fact that they did it, and obviously the only reason they're ignoring it is because the CD-i games got bad press. Whatever, let Miyamoto and the gang worry about their flowing storyline, the fact is that it happened just like Super Mario's edutainment misadventures, and it passed. No, the real point is that Nintendo apparently doesn't consider it part of the timeline. That's it! That doesn't make it any more or less official. It makes it less mainstream is all, really. Like the LCD games and perhaps also the Capcom-made games (but you don't see anyone labelling them unofficial).
Firstly, we have a category of "Unreleased / Cancelled" - seems a little redundant since a game that is cancelled is, usually, unreleased. A name change seems to be in order for that one.
Secondly, although the Zelda Collection disc is generally considered "ports", there has been some changes made in the files themselves - enough, I'd say, that the Zelda Collection could easily fit into the "Remakes" cagatory. If everyone is totally against that idea, how about changing the "Remakes" category into "Remakes and Compilations", since the LttP/FS GBA game is a compilation as well?
Thirdly, I want to do something about the "Spinoffs/Other Games" category name, but I'm not quite sure... Any ideas?
Any comments/suggestions? 71.244.180.131 01:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
My suggestions: Prototypes, Remakes, Miscellanea. Note that the Zelda Collection is also a remake because it sports improved graphics. -- DavidHOzAu 10:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Another suggestion: there is a lot of whitespace in this template; suggest compression or using another shade of green. -- DavidHOzAu 11:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Yet another suggestion: Find a place for Zelda Classic. -- DavidHOzAu 11:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
There's now a parent article for all three Zelda CD-i games ( CD-i games based on The Legend of Zelda series), so if we wanted to condense things a little (and not give so much space to these "lesser" titles) we could eliminate the row called "CD-i" and add a link called "CD-i games" (just like "LCD games") in the "Other Games" row. How about it? Sraan 19:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Am I alone in thinking that having the systems being listed in this template is not only unnecessary, but it makes the template look very cluttered? Besides, The Legend of Zelda has been released on two other systems outside of the NES. Same with Zelda II... Would anyone object to taking them out? Perhaps - if necessary - a section with "Systems with Legend of Zelda Games" with the NES, SNES, N64, GCN, Wii, GB, GBC, GBA, DS, and CD-i. But I don't really like that idea much either... but it's better than what's there now, IMHO... 71.244.168.172 02:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Main series: | LoZ • AoL • ALttP • OoT • MM • WW • TP |
Four Swords | Four Swords • Adventures • The Minish Cap |
Handhelds: | Link's Awakening • Oracle of Seasons • Oracle of Ages • Minish Cap • Phantom Hourglass |
Spinoffs: | Tingle's Rupee Land • Ancient Stone Tablets • LCD |
Remakes & collections: | BS Zelda • A Link to the Past|Four Swords • Master Quest • Collector's Edition |
Related games | Super Smash Bros. • Soul Calibur II • CD-i |
Bly1993 22:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Main series | The Legend of Zelda · The Adventure of Link · A Link to the Past · Link’s Awakening · Ocarina of Time · Majora’s Mask · Oracle of Ages & Oracle of Seasons · Four Swords · The Wind Waker · Four Swords Adventures · The Minish Cap · Twilight Princess · Phantom Hourglass | ||
Remakes & collections | BS The Legend of Zelda · BS The Legend of Zelda: Kodai no Sekiban · A Link to the Past / Four Swords · Ocarina of Time: Master Quest · Collector's Edition | ||
Related games | CD-i games · LCD games · Mogitate Tingle no Barairo Rupee Land · Super Smash Bros. series · Soul Calibur II | ||
Unreleased | The Triforce Trilogy · Mystical Seed of Courage · Four Swords DS |
I removed the console abbreviations, moved Remakes above Other games, and changed "Other" to "Related". I don't know that the BS titles are truly remakes, but I've never played them. Someone who has may be able to suggest a more appropriate placement. Sraan 04:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Pretty. 71.244.168.172 13:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I like it. RememberMe? 00:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
It's my understanding based on WP:BOLD that consensus should be reached before making radical changes to templates. As I see it, there's nothing close to a consensus on how to format video game templates at the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer and video games#Navboxes yet again. Until then, I would recommend we leave this template as it was, before the major cut-down, until a consensus is reached, or at the very least, discuss changes to the template on this page before making them. Sraan 21:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion, at length, at WT:CVG#Navboxes yet again. The reason the LCD games and the CDi games were removed is because they're minor games on minor platforms that are of little relevance to the other articles in the template. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 07:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
But the principles argued there are still sound. How is removing a handful of links to extremely obscure games or only tangentially-related articles cutting this down to "near uselessness"? You've asserted that, but not supported it. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 22:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a reason for categories: Category:The Legend of Zelda series is extremely easy to navigate, and doesn't require any more "digging around" than a single mouse click. Templates should not replace categories. -- Tristam 01:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I have just made an edit adding a new row with several of the previously deleted articles, though I left off both Super Smash Bros. as it is not an actual Zelda game and Collector's Edition because none of the included games are substantially different to their originals. This adds back most of the previously deleted information, however still keeps the template rather small. A possible change which I left off because I wasn't sure if it looked that nice would be a border to further separate the new row from the main game like this:
The Legend of Zelda • The Adventure of Link • A Link to the Past • Link’s Awakening • Ocarina of Time • Majora’s Mask • Oracle of Ages & Seasons • Four Swords • The Wind Waker • Four Swords Adventures • The Minish Cap • Twilight Princess • Phantom Hourglass |
LCD Games • CD-i Games • BS Zelda • Kodai no Sekiban • Master Quest • Tingle RPG |
— Ian Moody ( talk) 18:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh boy, this smells familiar. :D My suggestion is to do what we did over at {{ Sonic games}}( discussion) and create a new template called Zelda games (spin off) that'll have the other games:
LCD Games • CD-i Games • BS Zelda • Kodai no Sekiban • Master Quest • Tingle RPG |
The new template would only appear on the series page and games in the template and would not pollute the article series of the main games. -- DavidH Oz Au 12:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
So we have an umbrella article about a variety of more or less unrelated LCD games, some Zelda games made by a partyentirely unrelated to any other games, two actually-related Sattelliview games, a compilation of games, and a far-off game featuring a minor character. How is this a tightly-linked series of articles? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 06:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, didn't read discussion here first. Feel free to remove or keep BS games if you want. Sorry! -- Con structor 19:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
there has been intense reverting over inclusion of The Legend of Zelda (Wii) in the template. considering we know that the game is under development (it was from a major games magazine and the mag got it from Nintendo directly), there is no reason people should not know. I don't care that we held off in including Twilight Princess for a while, that was in the past. there is no speculation on the template or the game's page. Scepia 06:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
AOL is direct sequel of TLOZ. LA is direct sequel of ALTTP. MM is direct sequel of OOT. PH is direct sequel of WW. FS, FSA & MC are part of Four Sword Series.
This is my idea:
Alright, so what's the consensus on the CDi games? I'm seeing people for and against the inclusion of the games within the template. If you've got an opinion, add it on one side or another. I'm for the games being in the template, due to the fact that the games are officially licensed and the fact that there were three of them. They're an important part of the Zelda timeline as a game series, as these three games are fairly well known. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 20:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been having an argument with MrBubbles, and we can't decide whether this game should or shouldn't be on the template. I thought I'd add it for the sake of adding it. He removed it. A few heated words later, I wrote this. I'm for adding it to the template as it doesn't seem entirely necessary to me for it to be a "full fledge retail game" for it to be there. In fact, so long as it has something to do with Zelda and a Nintendo product, I feel it belongs there. I'll leave this up in the air for now. MrBubbles, let's have a civilised conversation please (preferably without the use of the word "troll"... >_>); I do not feel like arguing any further with you. Quite frankly, I argue with enough people on Wikipedia as it is. Hardcore gamer 48 07:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I have no qualms about Tingle RPG and Link Crossbow being there so don't get the wrong idea. If the title itself was an fully fleshed title that was sold to retails and it's availability to fans is remotely easy to obtain (which I believe is not the case for US/Europe), they why add it? If anything make mention of it on the Legend of Zelda series as part of spin offs.-- MrBubbles 12:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
They are not. Not even Nintendo has them listed on their website, either Japanese or American (CDI-Zeldas). Tingle's Balloon game is itself a present to fans from the Nintendo Club in Japan. It's a very simple game which uses Balloon Fight's engine. It is not a full fledged spin off and should not be added.-- MrBubbles 12:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Are you not reading? The game is not related to the Zelda universe and it's not an official product. Nintendo doesn't carry it in it's stores and it is not a full fledge spin off by any means. Look at the Pokemon games template. The balloon game does not fit here unlike the other Zelda spin offs and remakes. -- MrBubbles 21:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
This discussion is drawn from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series, talking about combining all three nav templates into one. Berenlazarus ( talk) 01:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Recently I created Template:The Legend of Zelda in an effort to make a navigational table that covered the full range of Zelda articles on Wikipedia, effectively depreciating Template:Zelda, Template:Zelda games and Template:Zelda characters. Since then other users have indicated that I may have been too bold and should have gained a consensus before enacting the change. They hve also indicated that I should have either worked on the old template rather than creating the new one from scratch or at least linked the talk pages. The reason I created the new template rather than working on the current ones was that I was tring to incorporate elements I hadn't used before (see this version) and I didn't want to cause any disruption to something in active use (it took me a while to get it right before I had to simplify it). If there is indeed a consensus for the new template I'll link the page histories to the talk page and then see if it would be possible for an admin to merge all of the histories together. I'm sorry to have caused any trouble, I was trying to be bold not reckless and I genuinely think that a single template (the one I created or otherwise) is a better navigational solution that the three that existed previously (and now currently). Sorry about the trouble. Guest9999 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, don't you think before you completely redesign the template you should do post some comments on the talk page to get a consensus? Also, as we have a fully functional template template:Zelda games, you should move the series template to this new location so as not to lose the template talk history or edit history? Berenlazarus ( talk) 02:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Why does The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords is cut from the Main series in the template. It's the ninth game in the series and it's the prequel to Four Swords Adventures. Yes, it was released with the remake of A Link to the Past, is a multiplayer game and is short, but it's still a Zelda main game. In the article of Twilight Princess, it says that TP is the thirteenth main game, and in the article of The Wind Waker, it says TWW is the tenth main game. That's because Four Swords is the ninth main game. Since its release, it always was considered as a main game, why it is cut now ? DjinnFighter ( talk) 01:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This game shouldn't be included in the main series. It's common sense that it isn't a main series Zelda game. Hell, the Wikipedia article for it states: "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures...is a spin-off of Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda series." —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnAlbinoRhino ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Read the first paragraph here: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162248/index.html
"The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is really the first full-fledged home console entry in Nintendo’s flagship series since Wind Waker won GameSpot’s Game of the Year in 2003." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.164.31 ( talk) 02:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Not to break up the conversation below... but the above line interests me. Steveprutz says that Four Swords (I assume he means to imply Four Swords Adventures, the title being discussed) was marketed as a spinoff game by Nintendo. If this is true, then there should be a pretty reliable source for the idea that FSA is a spinoff title. There are sites out there dedicated to Nintendo and Nintendo marketing - should be pretty easy to come up with. TheUncleBob ( talk) 17:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Those are more or less IGN's words, not Aonuma's, and IGN doesn't define this sort of information. As for the NP source, I really don't think a Capcom employee has any word in what a Nintendo series is defined as. Haipa Doragon ( talk • contributions) 05:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Right 3 things: 1stly If FS and FSA are of a separate series why is FA shiped with Link to the Past when it could have been done on its own because the main bad guy in FA/FSA as far as I remember was only a puppet of Ganon 2ndly when Aonuma "hinted" it could have been his personal view und (this is directed at StevePrutz ) 3rdly if FS and FSA are of a separate series, why is it that they have "The Legend of Zelda" in front of them when MM has it too and that is a part of the main lot rdunn 09:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I was just reviewing WP:NAV, but I can't seem to find anything that prohibits linking to redirects (which is what I assume is meant as the alternative to "whole articles"). In what way is a link for BS Zelda no Densetsu Kamigami no Triforce "unsuitable" on the Legend of Zelda template? It is a re-released version of ALttP just as the Collector's Edition contains re-released versions of The Legend of Zelda, The Adventure of Link, LoZ:OoT, and LoZ:MM. I think they should either both stay or both go, but I'm leaning more toward both stay since the intent of the navbox is to help readers locate games they are interested in that relate to the series and it's pretty clear that the third BS title and the Collector's Edition relate. Thoughts? - Thibbs ( talk) 01:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as a new Tingle RPG has been announced, is it about time we should have a seperate section on the template (for Rupeeland, Baloon Fight and RPG2) or seperate his games from this template? DancingCyberman ( talk) 17:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I added Four Swords back in as section links are not prohibited in WP:NAV or the respective guideline. I guess the issue should be brought up and clarified on here before those links are removed again. Prime Blue ( talk) 07:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Bread Ninja, I'm curious why you chose those colors. If there isn't some strong justification, I'm inclined to say stick with the default to preserve the unifying style across Wikipedia. Axem Titanium ( talk) 07:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
truth be told the discussion itself was rather iritating. if it were to be "reverted" for something so simple, i do hope to "not" find an excuse for something not-so-practical (and not find any ground). So next time, if something so miniscule bothers you, it's best to revert it without a such a reason. Because it bothersome to look for a reason over it and not provide an example (again for something more miniscule). Bread Ninja ( talk) 11:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the absence of Super Smash Bros. from this template a rather glaring omission? It is referenced on the series nav templates for every other series with a playable character in said crossover. I understand the goal of avoiding excessive bloat on this template, but surely there's a way to work it in..? 76.17.246.248 ( talk) 22:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I guess I don't see an articulable line being drawn here. Where does cameo/one-off end and "more" begin? My conception of a TLoZ cameo is the sleeping Link in Super Mario RPG or Crazy Tracy in Captain Rainbow. What separates these appearances from those in SSB? Is it because the SSB series Link is a playable character? If so then Soul Caliber II should be included as well. Or is it the combination of a playable Link and at least one stage based on TLoZ (referring here to SSB's single TLoZ-related stage, "Hyrule Castle")? If so then we should include Mario Kart 8, no? Or is the dividing line the presence of a playable TLOZ-related character plus at least one TLOZ-related stage and plus at least two TLoZ-related items (referring here to the bomb and the container heart from SSB)? If so then I think there's a clear argument to be made for Nintendo Land.
It's a slippery slope of course. If TLoZ levels are the minimum inclusion criterion then we have to include games like Picross and Tetris DS which have Zelda-themed boards. If the minimum inclusion criterion is the presence of TLoZ items then even games like Animal Crossing would have to be included. But I don't think using the presence of playable TLoZ characters as the minimum bar (as was used in the 4-game list that was removed in
this
bold edit) is excessive. At any rate I'm not sure this removal has has sufficient consensus at present. Would you be open to starting a thread at
WT:VG? -
Thibbs (
talk) 13:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Izno. I wanted to know what was wrong with my edit to the Zelda template. Even though the Four Swords games are canon events in the Zelda timeline, I still feel they are different enough to be categorized by themselves. - Kingpinn2 ( talk) 22:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, when I said "feel", I didn't mean the "personal" kind of feel. I just meant that it seemed obvious to me that the titles were different enough in gameplay compared to main series titles to be considered spin-offs of sort. - Kingpinn2 ( talk) 21:22, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Kingpinn2: How do you qualify them as spin-offs though? They fit into the narrative (are 'canon') and their gameplay is still RPG--it's just that you're doing it co-op instead of single-player. That aside, there is apparently discussion above on this, though I haven't reviewed that discussion.
There might be some value in sorting the games in total according to in-game timeline rather than the out-of-game timeline, but that's a separate discussion. -- Izno ( talk) 21:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Should the HD remasters (currently four of them) be moved to their own group, or simply remain attached to the original game? (current status quo) ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 21:39, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah, familiar face. @ Dissident93:. :) Going off of other templates, the games are referenced if a character is featured prominently. I agree that every single reference to the series should not be included. No Animal Crossing furniture cameos or 1-second Mario RPG sleeping Link cameos, as this would lead to bloating the nav. But if the game features the characters extensively, it is worth a note. There are not that many games meeting this requirement. Bchill53 ( talk) 00:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't see why we couldn't have all the main series games in the one group; it's not like there's too many of them, and in the age of hybrid consoles such as the Nintendo Switch, and the general acceptance of games like Link's Awakening in the core line of games, it seems additionally unnecessary to split the games into "console" and "handheld" sections. There was nothing wrong with wikilinks to remakes and remasters in parentheses either, which was how it was once done on this template. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 17:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
The image should not be included in the template, regardless of how it is done in other templates, as it is not free use. Other templates may also use a free use image which makes it okay. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 15:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Linkle is non-canonical and Urbosa is no more significant than the other Champions or any individual sage. Please provide reasons over the next few days for them to not be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.223.84 ( talk) 16:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template:The_Legend_of_Zelda&diff=prev&oldid=1198818408
There are many cases where things do not have standalone articles but are separate entities that need to be listed. For example, a lot of NATO codenamed weaponry do not have standalone articles but are different weapons and are listed as they should be.
That section of the Zelda template is for both remakes and remasters. I don't see why remastered games should be omitted, standalone article or not. - Eddmanx ( talk) 17:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
User:ArmosNights changed the organization of this template from a console/handheld split to a 2D/3D split with this edit in June 2022, presumably due to the difficulty of placing Switch games in the old format. The template has stuck with this format for the past 1.5 years (a form of WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS), despite no discussion about the change. How do we feel about it now? One thing that bothers me about the current format is that it's imprecise: plenty of the recent "2D" games are modeled fully in 3D (basically from Phantom Hourglass forwards), so it would actually be more accurate to call it, say, "top-down" vs. "behind the back".
More broadly, I'm wondering if a split is even necessary? What if all the games were placed in a single line by release date? The current format makes it hard to see all the games in chronological order and it's not obvious when to swap back and forth between the lines. What if it looked something like this:
Anyway, just a thought. Axem Titanium ( talk) 23:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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Does anyone else think that TMC should be moved down into the subgames list? It is part of the Four Swords series, after all and conflicts a little with the main "standards" of Hyrule e.g. the Master Sword, the Triforce. Ian Moody 12:29, 13 April 2005 (UTC)
The Four Swords Series
Due to the nature of the Four Swords games as well as The Minish Cap, and how they for many various reasons do not seem to relate directly with the rest of the games more or less makes placing them in a timeline related to the rest of the games a guessing game, and therefore we have decided to not try to place them in the main timeline theory, but rather treat the Four Swords games as a "sub-series" of its own within the Zelda franchise. The fact that yet another Four Swords game has been confirmed to be on its way to the Nintendo DS strengthens this decision.
...there's already at least one more FS game on the horizon, so I think when that is released the FS games should have their own entire subline, separate from the BS and CD-i Zeldas. Master Thief Garrett 23:20, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So, any thoughts on the matter? The problem is how to format it. The FS line would need to look like it was intended to be separate from the rest, rather than the result of an accidental bumping of the <Enter> key; however it must not be a size that makes it look less important than the main series, or makes it look like it is a preceding line of the subgames at the very bottom. What are your thoughts on this? Master Thief Garrett 03:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Do you think this needs to be moved? After all Master Quest is just a remix of OOT. It's not really a separate game, and is often classed alongside the original, much like Link's Awakening DX is. Does anyone else agree, and if now what are your thoughts on this? Master Thief Garrett 23:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Am I the only one who finds the new colors to be quite garish? ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:28, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
Maybe use a very, very dark green, like Zelda.com has. Rather than just go with the generic lilac (or whatever it's technically called). Garrett Talk 09:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I hate to cause trouble or anything, but I can't for the life of me understand some of the changes that have gone on recently here. I had barely come to tolerate the notion of slagging 'The Minish Cap' off as a separate entity, when the subsection gets re-named "spinoff titles". How in the world can you justify calling TMC a "spinoff"? It is a valid Zelda game, not like the proposed "Tingle" title, which is a proper spinoff. This nonsensical attitude towards TMC has to stop. It was one thing when it was being grouped in with the 'Four Swords' titles on purely stylistic grounds, but calling it a "spinoff" is, frankly, an insult to the title. Rhindle The Red 13:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
During the be-bold edit I also removed the italics from each games title-- this was an effort to keep this series box consistent with most other series boxes I've come across. Is there a particular reason we should keep it italicized? Thanks! -- Locke Cole 11:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
The nbsp (non-breaking space) keep the titles from wrapping in mid-name (and also keep dashes from starting a line). Please don't remove them. — Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 10:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the centered version was much better. Is everyone really attached to this format? -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 16:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe the main characters should stay in the template since they are an important part of the series, which the template is part of. Jedi6 -(need help?) 00:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a hoax, not a real game. If somebody finds concrete information on "Zelda III" for NES, a new article may be added to this template. Please leave it off as the article is about a fan-hoax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSA ( talk • contribs)
I actually have some interesting info, though it may not be concrete. It comes from Prima's The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Unauthorized Game Secrets, by Zach Meston. In the introduction, page 3, it says, and I quote... "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is a 16-bit continuation of the Zelda game series. Most players refer to it as Zelda III, but that's not the game's official title, and Nintendo of America Inc. states that they may yet release a true Zelda III video game for the 8-bit NES. (After the 16-bit intensity of LTP, however, it's doubtful that many players would care much about another 8-bit Zelda game.)" Now, this doesn't necessarily say that the Triforce Saga is a real game, but it does say that a 'true' Zelda III was considered at one point, even after A Link to the Past was made. He says that Nintendo of America stated that it was a possibility, so this may be where the GBC remake trilogy came about: using ideas for the conclusion as the third game. Again, I'm not saying that the Triforce Saga is real, but I am saying that there may indeed have been an NES Zelda III at one point. I do find it a bit weird, however, that Mr. Meston references Nintendo of America as a source, and the cart for Triforce Saga is an American one.
Why is it that some people feel that The Legend of Zelda: The Hero of Time independent film does not belong in this template? Sure, it has not yet been released and is not officially endorsed by Nintendo, but it is still part of the series. The CD-i games are on there, even if they are not officially endorsed by Nintendo. Given, it may not need its own "Independent film" category, but I feel that it should be on there. Even if you want to say that it is not an official part of the series, for people who are reading about The Legend of Zelda series, they should know that it is out there and is still Zelda, even if Nintendo had nothing to do with it. - Platypus Man | Talk 18:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
not officially endorsed by Nintendo
but it is still part of the series
The CD-i games are on there, even if they are not officially endorsed by Nintendo.
is still Zelda
Okay, I like how that huge section was split into "remakes" and "unreleased" sections, but where should the Zelda Collector's Edition bit go? There's only been one collection - I don't think it merits its own "Collections" section. I propose that the "spinoffs" section be renamed "other" and to put the Zelda Collector's Edition with that section. Hbdragon88 18:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. To combine the last two topics (the first of which I started), I say we rename "Spinoffs" to "Other," place it at the bottom (or maybe right above "Unreleased"), move the Collecter's Edition to it, remove the "Collections" section, and add The Hero of Time movie and the cartoon series to the same "Other" section. True, they may not all fit together, but that's what an "Other" section is designed to have. Also -- the existing "Spinoffs" aren't really spinoffs in a traditional sense, in my opinion. How do you like that idea? - Platypus Man | Talk 20:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Why are these used in the template? Jaxad0127 17:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "Unofficial" part in the table of the CD-i games. First, it makes the table look awkward and second, like 'em or hate 'em, they are lisenced by Nintendo and thus official - even if Nintendo doesn't acknowledge them. 71.244.180.131 01:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Listen to yourself! If nintendo DON'T acknowledge them them they aren't really official -- Zeldamaster3 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Geez, someone doesn't know how this stuff works. Okay, it is I L L E G A L if they went ahead and did a Zelda game without licensing. And they did get approval and licensing by Nintendo, who owns the copyright. Like it or not, if something is licensed, it is O F F I C I A L. So what if they don't acknowledge it? That doesn't change the fact that they did it, and obviously the only reason they're ignoring it is because the CD-i games got bad press. Whatever, let Miyamoto and the gang worry about their flowing storyline, the fact is that it happened just like Super Mario's edutainment misadventures, and it passed. No, the real point is that Nintendo apparently doesn't consider it part of the timeline. That's it! That doesn't make it any more or less official. It makes it less mainstream is all, really. Like the LCD games and perhaps also the Capcom-made games (but you don't see anyone labelling them unofficial).
Firstly, we have a category of "Unreleased / Cancelled" - seems a little redundant since a game that is cancelled is, usually, unreleased. A name change seems to be in order for that one.
Secondly, although the Zelda Collection disc is generally considered "ports", there has been some changes made in the files themselves - enough, I'd say, that the Zelda Collection could easily fit into the "Remakes" cagatory. If everyone is totally against that idea, how about changing the "Remakes" category into "Remakes and Compilations", since the LttP/FS GBA game is a compilation as well?
Thirdly, I want to do something about the "Spinoffs/Other Games" category name, but I'm not quite sure... Any ideas?
Any comments/suggestions? 71.244.180.131 01:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
My suggestions: Prototypes, Remakes, Miscellanea. Note that the Zelda Collection is also a remake because it sports improved graphics. -- DavidHOzAu 10:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Another suggestion: there is a lot of whitespace in this template; suggest compression or using another shade of green. -- DavidHOzAu 11:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Yet another suggestion: Find a place for Zelda Classic. -- DavidHOzAu 11:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
There's now a parent article for all three Zelda CD-i games ( CD-i games based on The Legend of Zelda series), so if we wanted to condense things a little (and not give so much space to these "lesser" titles) we could eliminate the row called "CD-i" and add a link called "CD-i games" (just like "LCD games") in the "Other Games" row. How about it? Sraan 19:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Am I alone in thinking that having the systems being listed in this template is not only unnecessary, but it makes the template look very cluttered? Besides, The Legend of Zelda has been released on two other systems outside of the NES. Same with Zelda II... Would anyone object to taking them out? Perhaps - if necessary - a section with "Systems with Legend of Zelda Games" with the NES, SNES, N64, GCN, Wii, GB, GBC, GBA, DS, and CD-i. But I don't really like that idea much either... but it's better than what's there now, IMHO... 71.244.168.172 02:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Main series: | LoZ • AoL • ALttP • OoT • MM • WW • TP |
Four Swords | Four Swords • Adventures • The Minish Cap |
Handhelds: | Link's Awakening • Oracle of Seasons • Oracle of Ages • Minish Cap • Phantom Hourglass |
Spinoffs: | Tingle's Rupee Land • Ancient Stone Tablets • LCD |
Remakes & collections: | BS Zelda • A Link to the Past|Four Swords • Master Quest • Collector's Edition |
Related games | Super Smash Bros. • Soul Calibur II • CD-i |
Bly1993 22:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Main series | The Legend of Zelda · The Adventure of Link · A Link to the Past · Link’s Awakening · Ocarina of Time · Majora’s Mask · Oracle of Ages & Oracle of Seasons · Four Swords · The Wind Waker · Four Swords Adventures · The Minish Cap · Twilight Princess · Phantom Hourglass | ||
Remakes & collections | BS The Legend of Zelda · BS The Legend of Zelda: Kodai no Sekiban · A Link to the Past / Four Swords · Ocarina of Time: Master Quest · Collector's Edition | ||
Related games | CD-i games · LCD games · Mogitate Tingle no Barairo Rupee Land · Super Smash Bros. series · Soul Calibur II | ||
Unreleased | The Triforce Trilogy · Mystical Seed of Courage · Four Swords DS |
I removed the console abbreviations, moved Remakes above Other games, and changed "Other" to "Related". I don't know that the BS titles are truly remakes, but I've never played them. Someone who has may be able to suggest a more appropriate placement. Sraan 04:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Pretty. 71.244.168.172 13:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I like it. RememberMe? 00:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
It's my understanding based on WP:BOLD that consensus should be reached before making radical changes to templates. As I see it, there's nothing close to a consensus on how to format video game templates at the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer and video games#Navboxes yet again. Until then, I would recommend we leave this template as it was, before the major cut-down, until a consensus is reached, or at the very least, discuss changes to the template on this page before making them. Sraan 21:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion, at length, at WT:CVG#Navboxes yet again. The reason the LCD games and the CDi games were removed is because they're minor games on minor platforms that are of little relevance to the other articles in the template. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 07:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
But the principles argued there are still sound. How is removing a handful of links to extremely obscure games or only tangentially-related articles cutting this down to "near uselessness"? You've asserted that, but not supported it. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 22:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a reason for categories: Category:The Legend of Zelda series is extremely easy to navigate, and doesn't require any more "digging around" than a single mouse click. Templates should not replace categories. -- Tristam 01:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I have just made an edit adding a new row with several of the previously deleted articles, though I left off both Super Smash Bros. as it is not an actual Zelda game and Collector's Edition because none of the included games are substantially different to their originals. This adds back most of the previously deleted information, however still keeps the template rather small. A possible change which I left off because I wasn't sure if it looked that nice would be a border to further separate the new row from the main game like this:
The Legend of Zelda • The Adventure of Link • A Link to the Past • Link’s Awakening • Ocarina of Time • Majora’s Mask • Oracle of Ages & Seasons • Four Swords • The Wind Waker • Four Swords Adventures • The Minish Cap • Twilight Princess • Phantom Hourglass |
LCD Games • CD-i Games • BS Zelda • Kodai no Sekiban • Master Quest • Tingle RPG |
— Ian Moody ( talk) 18:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh boy, this smells familiar. :D My suggestion is to do what we did over at {{ Sonic games}}( discussion) and create a new template called Zelda games (spin off) that'll have the other games:
LCD Games • CD-i Games • BS Zelda • Kodai no Sekiban • Master Quest • Tingle RPG |
The new template would only appear on the series page and games in the template and would not pollute the article series of the main games. -- DavidH Oz Au 12:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
So we have an umbrella article about a variety of more or less unrelated LCD games, some Zelda games made by a partyentirely unrelated to any other games, two actually-related Sattelliview games, a compilation of games, and a far-off game featuring a minor character. How is this a tightly-linked series of articles? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 06:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, didn't read discussion here first. Feel free to remove or keep BS games if you want. Sorry! -- Con structor 19:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
there has been intense reverting over inclusion of The Legend of Zelda (Wii) in the template. considering we know that the game is under development (it was from a major games magazine and the mag got it from Nintendo directly), there is no reason people should not know. I don't care that we held off in including Twilight Princess for a while, that was in the past. there is no speculation on the template or the game's page. Scepia 06:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
AOL is direct sequel of TLOZ. LA is direct sequel of ALTTP. MM is direct sequel of OOT. PH is direct sequel of WW. FS, FSA & MC are part of Four Sword Series.
This is my idea:
Alright, so what's the consensus on the CDi games? I'm seeing people for and against the inclusion of the games within the template. If you've got an opinion, add it on one side or another. I'm for the games being in the template, due to the fact that the games are officially licensed and the fact that there were three of them. They're an important part of the Zelda timeline as a game series, as these three games are fairly well known. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 20:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been having an argument with MrBubbles, and we can't decide whether this game should or shouldn't be on the template. I thought I'd add it for the sake of adding it. He removed it. A few heated words later, I wrote this. I'm for adding it to the template as it doesn't seem entirely necessary to me for it to be a "full fledge retail game" for it to be there. In fact, so long as it has something to do with Zelda and a Nintendo product, I feel it belongs there. I'll leave this up in the air for now. MrBubbles, let's have a civilised conversation please (preferably without the use of the word "troll"... >_>); I do not feel like arguing any further with you. Quite frankly, I argue with enough people on Wikipedia as it is. Hardcore gamer 48 07:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I have no qualms about Tingle RPG and Link Crossbow being there so don't get the wrong idea. If the title itself was an fully fleshed title that was sold to retails and it's availability to fans is remotely easy to obtain (which I believe is not the case for US/Europe), they why add it? If anything make mention of it on the Legend of Zelda series as part of spin offs.-- MrBubbles 12:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
They are not. Not even Nintendo has them listed on their website, either Japanese or American (CDI-Zeldas). Tingle's Balloon game is itself a present to fans from the Nintendo Club in Japan. It's a very simple game which uses Balloon Fight's engine. It is not a full fledged spin off and should not be added.-- MrBubbles 12:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Are you not reading? The game is not related to the Zelda universe and it's not an official product. Nintendo doesn't carry it in it's stores and it is not a full fledge spin off by any means. Look at the Pokemon games template. The balloon game does not fit here unlike the other Zelda spin offs and remakes. -- MrBubbles 21:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
This discussion is drawn from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series, talking about combining all three nav templates into one. Berenlazarus ( talk) 01:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Recently I created Template:The Legend of Zelda in an effort to make a navigational table that covered the full range of Zelda articles on Wikipedia, effectively depreciating Template:Zelda, Template:Zelda games and Template:Zelda characters. Since then other users have indicated that I may have been too bold and should have gained a consensus before enacting the change. They hve also indicated that I should have either worked on the old template rather than creating the new one from scratch or at least linked the talk pages. The reason I created the new template rather than working on the current ones was that I was tring to incorporate elements I hadn't used before (see this version) and I didn't want to cause any disruption to something in active use (it took me a while to get it right before I had to simplify it). If there is indeed a consensus for the new template I'll link the page histories to the talk page and then see if it would be possible for an admin to merge all of the histories together. I'm sorry to have caused any trouble, I was trying to be bold not reckless and I genuinely think that a single template (the one I created or otherwise) is a better navigational solution that the three that existed previously (and now currently). Sorry about the trouble. Guest9999 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, don't you think before you completely redesign the template you should do post some comments on the talk page to get a consensus? Also, as we have a fully functional template template:Zelda games, you should move the series template to this new location so as not to lose the template talk history or edit history? Berenlazarus ( talk) 02:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Why does The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords is cut from the Main series in the template. It's the ninth game in the series and it's the prequel to Four Swords Adventures. Yes, it was released with the remake of A Link to the Past, is a multiplayer game and is short, but it's still a Zelda main game. In the article of Twilight Princess, it says that TP is the thirteenth main game, and in the article of The Wind Waker, it says TWW is the tenth main game. That's because Four Swords is the ninth main game. Since its release, it always was considered as a main game, why it is cut now ? DjinnFighter ( talk) 01:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This game shouldn't be included in the main series. It's common sense that it isn't a main series Zelda game. Hell, the Wikipedia article for it states: "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures...is a spin-off of Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda series." —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnAlbinoRhino ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Read the first paragraph here: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162248/index.html
"The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is really the first full-fledged home console entry in Nintendo’s flagship series since Wind Waker won GameSpot’s Game of the Year in 2003." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.164.31 ( talk) 02:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Not to break up the conversation below... but the above line interests me. Steveprutz says that Four Swords (I assume he means to imply Four Swords Adventures, the title being discussed) was marketed as a spinoff game by Nintendo. If this is true, then there should be a pretty reliable source for the idea that FSA is a spinoff title. There are sites out there dedicated to Nintendo and Nintendo marketing - should be pretty easy to come up with. TheUncleBob ( talk) 17:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Those are more or less IGN's words, not Aonuma's, and IGN doesn't define this sort of information. As for the NP source, I really don't think a Capcom employee has any word in what a Nintendo series is defined as. Haipa Doragon ( talk • contributions) 05:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Right 3 things: 1stly If FS and FSA are of a separate series why is FA shiped with Link to the Past when it could have been done on its own because the main bad guy in FA/FSA as far as I remember was only a puppet of Ganon 2ndly when Aonuma "hinted" it could have been his personal view und (this is directed at StevePrutz ) 3rdly if FS and FSA are of a separate series, why is it that they have "The Legend of Zelda" in front of them when MM has it too and that is a part of the main lot rdunn 09:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I was just reviewing WP:NAV, but I can't seem to find anything that prohibits linking to redirects (which is what I assume is meant as the alternative to "whole articles"). In what way is a link for BS Zelda no Densetsu Kamigami no Triforce "unsuitable" on the Legend of Zelda template? It is a re-released version of ALttP just as the Collector's Edition contains re-released versions of The Legend of Zelda, The Adventure of Link, LoZ:OoT, and LoZ:MM. I think they should either both stay or both go, but I'm leaning more toward both stay since the intent of the navbox is to help readers locate games they are interested in that relate to the series and it's pretty clear that the third BS title and the Collector's Edition relate. Thoughts? - Thibbs ( talk) 01:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as a new Tingle RPG has been announced, is it about time we should have a seperate section on the template (for Rupeeland, Baloon Fight and RPG2) or seperate his games from this template? DancingCyberman ( talk) 17:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I added Four Swords back in as section links are not prohibited in WP:NAV or the respective guideline. I guess the issue should be brought up and clarified on here before those links are removed again. Prime Blue ( talk) 07:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Bread Ninja, I'm curious why you chose those colors. If there isn't some strong justification, I'm inclined to say stick with the default to preserve the unifying style across Wikipedia. Axem Titanium ( talk) 07:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
truth be told the discussion itself was rather iritating. if it were to be "reverted" for something so simple, i do hope to "not" find an excuse for something not-so-practical (and not find any ground). So next time, if something so miniscule bothers you, it's best to revert it without a such a reason. Because it bothersome to look for a reason over it and not provide an example (again for something more miniscule). Bread Ninja ( talk) 11:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the absence of Super Smash Bros. from this template a rather glaring omission? It is referenced on the series nav templates for every other series with a playable character in said crossover. I understand the goal of avoiding excessive bloat on this template, but surely there's a way to work it in..? 76.17.246.248 ( talk) 22:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I guess I don't see an articulable line being drawn here. Where does cameo/one-off end and "more" begin? My conception of a TLoZ cameo is the sleeping Link in Super Mario RPG or Crazy Tracy in Captain Rainbow. What separates these appearances from those in SSB? Is it because the SSB series Link is a playable character? If so then Soul Caliber II should be included as well. Or is it the combination of a playable Link and at least one stage based on TLoZ (referring here to SSB's single TLoZ-related stage, "Hyrule Castle")? If so then we should include Mario Kart 8, no? Or is the dividing line the presence of a playable TLOZ-related character plus at least one TLOZ-related stage and plus at least two TLoZ-related items (referring here to the bomb and the container heart from SSB)? If so then I think there's a clear argument to be made for Nintendo Land.
It's a slippery slope of course. If TLoZ levels are the minimum inclusion criterion then we have to include games like Picross and Tetris DS which have Zelda-themed boards. If the minimum inclusion criterion is the presence of TLoZ items then even games like Animal Crossing would have to be included. But I don't think using the presence of playable TLoZ characters as the minimum bar (as was used in the 4-game list that was removed in
this
bold edit) is excessive. At any rate I'm not sure this removal has has sufficient consensus at present. Would you be open to starting a thread at
WT:VG? -
Thibbs (
talk) 13:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Izno. I wanted to know what was wrong with my edit to the Zelda template. Even though the Four Swords games are canon events in the Zelda timeline, I still feel they are different enough to be categorized by themselves. - Kingpinn2 ( talk) 22:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, when I said "feel", I didn't mean the "personal" kind of feel. I just meant that it seemed obvious to me that the titles were different enough in gameplay compared to main series titles to be considered spin-offs of sort. - Kingpinn2 ( talk) 21:22, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Kingpinn2: How do you qualify them as spin-offs though? They fit into the narrative (are 'canon') and their gameplay is still RPG--it's just that you're doing it co-op instead of single-player. That aside, there is apparently discussion above on this, though I haven't reviewed that discussion.
There might be some value in sorting the games in total according to in-game timeline rather than the out-of-game timeline, but that's a separate discussion. -- Izno ( talk) 21:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Should the HD remasters (currently four of them) be moved to their own group, or simply remain attached to the original game? (current status quo) ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 21:39, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah, familiar face. @ Dissident93:. :) Going off of other templates, the games are referenced if a character is featured prominently. I agree that every single reference to the series should not be included. No Animal Crossing furniture cameos or 1-second Mario RPG sleeping Link cameos, as this would lead to bloating the nav. But if the game features the characters extensively, it is worth a note. There are not that many games meeting this requirement. Bchill53 ( talk) 00:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't see why we couldn't have all the main series games in the one group; it's not like there's too many of them, and in the age of hybrid consoles such as the Nintendo Switch, and the general acceptance of games like Link's Awakening in the core line of games, it seems additionally unnecessary to split the games into "console" and "handheld" sections. There was nothing wrong with wikilinks to remakes and remasters in parentheses either, which was how it was once done on this template. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 17:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
The image should not be included in the template, regardless of how it is done in other templates, as it is not free use. Other templates may also use a free use image which makes it okay. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 15:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Linkle is non-canonical and Urbosa is no more significant than the other Champions or any individual sage. Please provide reasons over the next few days for them to not be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.223.84 ( talk) 16:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template:The_Legend_of_Zelda&diff=prev&oldid=1198818408
There are many cases where things do not have standalone articles but are separate entities that need to be listed. For example, a lot of NATO codenamed weaponry do not have standalone articles but are different weapons and are listed as they should be.
That section of the Zelda template is for both remakes and remasters. I don't see why remastered games should be omitted, standalone article or not. - Eddmanx ( talk) 17:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
User:ArmosNights changed the organization of this template from a console/handheld split to a 2D/3D split with this edit in June 2022, presumably due to the difficulty of placing Switch games in the old format. The template has stuck with this format for the past 1.5 years (a form of WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS), despite no discussion about the change. How do we feel about it now? One thing that bothers me about the current format is that it's imprecise: plenty of the recent "2D" games are modeled fully in 3D (basically from Phantom Hourglass forwards), so it would actually be more accurate to call it, say, "top-down" vs. "behind the back".
More broadly, I'm wondering if a split is even necessary? What if all the games were placed in a single line by release date? The current format makes it hard to see all the games in chronological order and it's not obvious when to swap back and forth between the lines. What if it looked something like this:
Anyway, just a thought. Axem Titanium ( talk) 23:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)