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Andrew Tate being a misogynist is an innacuracy. Many news outlets have false reported this, however tate and friends of his have refuted this. He has said that he respect women and is tired of his views being seen as misogynistic. 2601:644:8E7F:36F0:F561:D1A7:BE5A:2A3D ( talk) 00:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
1) A source isn't reliable when it falsely states misinformation. Just because a media outlet is mainstream does not make it reliable. 2) Him saying something with misogyny does not make him a self-described mysognist. In order for him to be one he would have to claim to be a misogynist, a claim that was debunked. 3) My links debunked the claims but were deleted. You trust a news outlet but not Tate's own words. 4) The video is still alleged as Tate has not responded. 5) You said "but it sounds like extreme misogyny to me". Mr. Tate has denied being a misogynist and attacked those calling him one meaning he cannot be "self-described". With all due respect I believe that this is an error that should be changed because it's not fair to say someone describes themselves as something they do not. This is misinformation and untrue. PanjshirLions ( talk) 20:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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This is just one instance, but proves the need to rely on reliable sourcing.
This is sourced to Vox, which is sourced to The Daily Beast (a tabloid).
The Daily Beast says:
As can be verified in the primary source, the quote is false; the word "lenient" does not appear once in the video. DFlhb ( talk) 11:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I didn't see the previous RSN discussion, but here are what reliable sources say he meant by it:
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Every single reliable source I can find all say that Tate was saying essentially the same thing: about 40% of the reason he moved there was because he though the country would be less likely to pursue rape/sexual assault cases. I really don't think this is a difficult issue at all. Endwise ( talk) 15:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I understand the desire to include, since it can be read as an "admission" of sorts-- I don't think the reason I want to include it is because it's an "admission" of anything he's being investigated for now, the reason I want to include it is because it seems like important context behind the reason why he moved to Romania, which when I read the article I was puzzled to see left out.
There's a pretty huge gap between "I moved to Romania after a false MeToo allegation because those are less likely in Romania" (paraphrasing, and I'm not remotely endorsing his innocence on that one), versus "I moved to Romania because I get to rape people with no consequence over there".-- I don't think we should be saying he moved to Romania so he could rape women, but the sources paraphrasing his point don't seem to be saying that either. Having watched that video again, I really don't think the secondary sources are summarising it incorrectly: He was saying that he thought Romanian police would be unlikely to pursue a rape allegation without hard evidence, whereas he thought Western police would be likely to do so, and he would like to avoid that. The most recent sources (The Verge and The Independent) seem to me to have a completely accurate summary of what he was saying.
I'm not a fucking rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being freeif you're worried that people might think we're saying he said he moved to Romania to rape women, but I don't think that's necessary at all, and the more ink we spill over this in the article the more undue weight we place on it. Endwise ( talk) 02:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
He said that he moved because he liked "living in countries where corruption is accessible for everybody" and believed that Romanian police would be less likely to pursue sexual assault allegations than in the West, where the MeToo movement allowed women to "destroy the safety of men", including the quote from LA Times. Endwise ( talk) 11:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Looks like Tate’s fans are taking to the streets to demand his release. Specifically, the streets in the center of Athens, Greece. Probably worth a mention, especially if it ends up spreading to other cities. LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 08:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure how a few people protesting is worth any mention yet. If it spreads then I guess yeah Pol Cəl ( talk) 11:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Abobeck11: feel free to find a reliable source about said war room and not one that says “the details of what actually occurs inside the program are unknown” since you claim it’s a major source of income. RossButsy ( talk) 18:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
I don’t see any other users engaging in discourse. I gave you the option of finding a source and you can’t find one so I was right. The source ISN’T a good one, you paid no attention to read the article clearly and just picked the first one you could find. It’s just conjecture and tabloid speculation about something that hasn’t got near as much coverage as his hustlers university. RossButsy ( talk) 20:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Add as you please, forgot about new upcoming Vice documentary which heavily features war room perhaps wait until more information from that is available? RossButsy ( talk) 05:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
The BBC have recently published an article which cites a number of teenage Romanians who describe being contacted by Instagram handles whose username matched that used by Andrew and Tristan Tate before they were banned from the application. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64330811
I note that the BBC has been unable to independently verify their authenticity, or establish whether the messages were sent by Andrew and Tristan Tate themselves or someone working on their behalf.
The BBC report also notes that there is nothing illegal in the Tate brothers contacting girls of 16 or 17 online, or inviting them out.
Having said all of that, I would like to suggest that a sentence or two be added to the page to the effect that "Following Tate's arrest the BBC reported that a number of Romanian Teenagers described receiving Instagram messages, which appeared to have been sent from Tate's account, inviting them to meet Tate. The BBC was unable to independently verify their authenticity, or establish whether the messages were sent by Andrew and Tristan Tate themselves or someone working on their behalf."
I would welcome people's thoughts Jono1011 ( talk) 13:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
nothing illegalabout these particular texts; if that weren't the case, well, it would be quite different). DFlhb ( talk) 13:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Final paragraph in the 2022 Romanian investigation section: "On January 20, a Romanian court extended the brother's police detention until February 27."
" brother's " should be " brothers' ". The detention of both brothers was extended. Can't edit this myself due to page protection. Aspharon ( talk) 12:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate is a Muslim now and your info are still old. Another thing, put the other points of view and facts about him and his brother being in prison and be objective please. 46.32.125.202 ( talk) 14:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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I have some more information I would like to add. I have credible sources, and I would like to spread the word about who Andrew Tate is. I will be changing the first paragraph. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64125045 Jbuck2025 ( talk) 19:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew was born on 14 december, which is stated on his website. https://www.cobratate.com/bio Thymme ( talk) 16:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate was actually born on Dember 14th not December 1st so I ask that you fix it as it is missleading Andrew Tate43 ( talk) 22:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Emory Andrew Tate III (born December 1, 1986) is an American-British social media personality, businessman, former professional kickboxer and human trafficker.
Remove "and human trafficker"
It has not been proven in court this is false information. Brokie101 ( talk) 23:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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You’ve listed him as a human trafficker before the charges have been revealed as true or false. Isn’t this defamation of character and damaging if he’s innocent? 2A02:C7E:5635:7C00:5D32:C9D2:639C:6D49 ( talk) 00:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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01:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)The language barrier seems more like a language force field, in this case.
I actually had doubts, because the DIICOT statements didn't mention charges, but I assumed that Western media said all four had been charged based on talking directly with investigators.
But now, we have the BBC saying explicitly, multiple times, that they are not charged yet. [11] That's not just the BBC; it accords with what I've read in some Romanian sources (which I'll now look for, and add), that say the judge kept them in pre-trial detention due to the gravity of the accusations (not the evidence itself), and that he found that evidence insufficient (as yet) for the case to be able to move to trial. I'll dig deeper and try to find out the cause for this discrepancy. Might take me a few days, because of other priorities, but I think we should be small-c conservative until then (and say "accused of" rather than "charged"). DFlhb ( talk) 19:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Their detention could be extended to a maximum of 180 days, pending possible indictment.
In the opening paragraph it says that he is a “self-described misogynist”. Andrew Tate has said several times in both of his Piers Morgan interviews that he “does not believe that he is misogynistic”. I may be wrong but could someone provide a source for when he has said that he is a misogynist? MayoForSam2023 ( talk) 21:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
In an appearance on the Anything Goes with James English podcast last year, Tate said: “You can’t slander me because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I’m absolutely a misogynist, and I have f*** you money and you can’t take that away.”
The quote is long enough and significant enough to deserve a quoteblock, per our MOS. Done. Hopefully this will also silence those who keep complaining. Now they'll notice his own words. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 20:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Change stance from "Southpaw" to "Orthodox" ( talk) 19:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please update to 2023 2400:ADC1:477:8500:196A:9510:17C1:8489 ( talk) 11:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Matt shea redirects to American media figure Matt shea and not the British filmmaker of the same name 2600:6C50:49F0:690:4906:C2A9:C55A:3F0D ( talk) 05:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Does that section looks out-of-place to anyone else? We're supposed to include material based on secondary sources (including media coverage), but meta-discussions about media coverage don't seem that useful. DFlhb ( talk) 17:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Tate's activities have been extensively covered by the world's media since late 2022" is kind of implied by the existence of the coverage listed elsewhere in the article (also, "
mostly commenting negatively on his misogyny" – is this an appropriate use of referring to Tate as misogynist in wikivoice, especially when it does not specify his commentary, and just says "Tate's misogyny"?). As for the VICE documentary, I'm not sure where else that would go besides in a "media coverage" section. Unless someone is willing to watch the documentary and use information in it elsewhere in the article? Askarion ✉ 14:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
mostly commenting negatively on his misogynyis redundant with that fact being highlighted in the lead, rather than being a wikivoice issue. The issue with this "meta-talk" is that in an already pretty comprehensive article, it'll just repeat things mentioned elsewhere. DFlhb ( talk) 18:29, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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in the section "Andre Tate has not been charged" please add "because he's not in the US or the UK where a charge is necessary before someone is held on remand pending further investigations and a court date. In Romania you are held in "arestare preventivă" an almost identical state to remand, authorised by a judge, while investigations continue. It is only once those investigations have completed will you be charged or released. It is for all intents and purposes exactly the same as UK processes.
https://www.fairtrials.org/app/uploads/2022/01/Criminal-Proceedings-and-Defence-Rights-in-Romania.pdf 77.98.164.244 ( talk) 21:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
not a serious request; trolling that no longer makes any sense with the redaction. Keeping for historical purposes only
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(Redacted) At the rate current events are unfolding, you've really got to wonder when a bombshell might drop. John Shandy` • talk 05:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change “self described misogynist“ to “described misogynist”, because Andrew Tate had never called himself a misogynist but has been labeled as one. This is just a slight grammatical error.
Removing the comment all together would remove the controversy around Andrew Tate. 72.235.92.166 ( talk) 05:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Cannolis ( talk) 07:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)He has said he would attack a woman who accused him of cheating and described himself as “absolutely a misogynist.”
'In an appearance on the Anything Goes with James English podcast last year, Tate said: “You can’t slander me because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I’m absolutely a misogynist, and I have f*** you money and you can’t take that away.”'Kind regards, W. Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ c) 06:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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andrew tate is a muslim
https://rumble.com/v1t04lu-andrew-tate-why-i-became-a-muslim-when-i-will-fight-logan-paul-how-to-be-a-.html 2001:9E8:6EF9:9700:65BD:BD9B:C971:D943 ( talk) 14:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC) 2001:9E8:6EF9:9700:65BD:BD9B:C971:D943 ( talk) 14:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate has three sons named Ben Divido, Ovie Dumuje, and Anthony Robles Roeijwroae ( talk) 14:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
several children living in Romania" and that "
sometimes [Tate] went to visit them". The Times article is more descriptive ("
Tate has children himself but won’t talk about them"), and features an interview with Tate in which he says:
I am not going to give numbers, but I am certain I will have more children than 99.9 per cent of the population of the western world. Double digit children. And they all adore me. They see me as their hero and the women who have my children see me as a hero. Everybody close to me respects me. Nobody has ever said that what I am doing is detrimental to the boys. Or the girls.
— Andrew Tate to the Times on September 24, 2022
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Ouari Bekka ( talk) 19:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I have a better idea for the picture try this one that I uploaded in Wekimedia commons 0 Emory-Andrew-Tate-III (1).jpg
Why does "top g" redirect to Andrew Tate? MrDudeSirGuyMan ( talk) 16:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Do not add false claims 80.43.114.41 ( talk) 10:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
"Tate was raised in the Christian faith.[17]" This sentence is misleading. Tate has converted to Islam which isn't mentioned anywhere here. After he converted to Islam he visited the show of famous muslim youtubers Muhammad Hijab to talk about his conversion. He was also seen in a Mosque praying with his muslim friend. He believes "Islam is the last religion on earth" and has spoken negatively about the current state of Christianity. 2003:CD:5F03:0:9F13:2DC4:D12:BF55 ( talk) 16:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
From what I understand, he did not convert to Eastern Orthodoxy either through baptism or chrismation and calling him one just because he offered donations and went to Church sometimes is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.192.32 ( talk) 05:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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Stance part; he is Muslim not orthodox 5.45.129.213 ( talk) 21:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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As he has been converted to Islam update in dashboard of wiki first page. Thank you 42.105.48.183 ( talk) 02:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
The legacy of Donald Trump and his "alternative facts" here I think. Although in a grammatic sense a baseless claim, false claim, and mistaken claim etc are essentially the same thing, they have (especially post-Trump) come to be different.
Re this bit - "Social media rumors baselessly attributed Andrew Tate's arrest to pizza boxes shown in his response video to Greta Thunberg, which Romanian authorities denied."
(e.g. If a train driver sees a red light dangled maliciously by a trespasser on the line and stops - would his reasoning really be considered "baseless" rather than "mistaken"? Unlike say if they falsely claimed to have seen a red light as an excuse when stopping for some other unauthorised reason?)
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Tate released a video featuring Romanian pizza boxes, and was then arrested in Romania by the police there, leading Thunberg supporters to (mistakenly) assert that (the roving) Tate had unwittingly alerted Romanian police that he was (back) in the country.
That view wasn't "baseless" in the post Trump sense, it was mistaken. The Romanian pizza boxes were really in the video and it was a reasonable assumption etc even if wrong.
(It matters also due to the similarities between Trump supporters and Tate supporters - presently it could somehow allude that Thunberg supporters also engage in "baseless" behaviour) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 ( talk) 12:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
It was a reasonable assumptionI strenuously disagree, and don't believe any sources see it like that. It was a preposterous claim, asserted confidently as fact, that was claimed to be sourced to a Gandul article, but that article never mentioned Thunberg or made any such claims. Gândul called it "fabulation", and reported that the Tate brothers were caught due to satellite surveillance and wiretapping. Romania happens to be a competent country with a decent police force, not a country made of papier-mâché and cardboard that would need social media pics to catch someone. And I don't think this reflect poorly on Thunberg or her supporters at all, since they were certainly in it "for the memes"; but the claim itself is most accurately described as "baseless". DFlhb ( talk) 12:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
There is at least one person who is impersonating Andrew Tate, presumably to make money off his fanbase. There may well be others, too (in addition to the guys who impersonate Tate for comedic reasons, such as the gay TikToker who goes by “Bottom G”). Are any of the fake Tates notable enough to mention here? LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 02:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
As wiki says that he has been converted to ISLAM then show it on wiki dashboard 42.105.49.101 ( talk) 13:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
He is literally a professional misogynist. He operates a cult dedicated to women hatred and "playboy" strategies known as the War Room. This feels very weird not being in the lead introduction 80.57.110.242 ( talk) 07:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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He began offering paid courses and memberships through his website and rose to fame as an internet celebrity, promoting an "ultra-masculine, ultra-luxurious lifestyle," commonly known as the "Top G" by his fans. TheDonquavious ( talk) 21:58, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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Tate’s media/publicist team recently confirmed that Andrew has been diagnosed with lung cancer. There are sources on the internet that can confirm this. Just seems an important addition to his ‘Personal life’ section. Bposterboard ( talk) 00:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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Emory Andrew Tate III is NOT a self-declared misogynist! 91.187.148.150 ( talk) 16:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
“You can’t be responsible for a dog if it doesn’t obey you.” He has said he would attack a woman who accused him of cheating and described himself as “absolutely a misogynist.”ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 16:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Andrew Tate's website is a WP:LINKSTOAVOID violation due to the fact that it directly promotes his "business", which has been widely described as a scam by multiple sources. Per the policy on not including this type of material, it should be removed. Not to mention the fact that it links to external harassment and encourages violence against women, another violation. Therefore, it should be swiftly removed. 2402:4000:21C2:5503:1CD6:962D:6E6C:7AE7 ( talk) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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BTW, I hate to ask, but could someone with guts please start an RFC at Sanctioned Suicide, on whether to link to that site? It's caused more than 50 deaths, but I'm just too worried about any potential harassment/doxing in case any of that forum's visitors browses Wikipedia. Obviously, only do so if you don't care about that yourself, or bothered to have good opsec. Would be highly grateful. |
I don't think he has children. Or does he have? It is possible that Tristan has a child, although we don't know without a paternity test. .karellian-24 ( talk) 17:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
had several children living in Romania" and that "
they sometimes went to visit them". The London Times says that Andrew Tate has children but that he wouldn't discuss specifics, such as how many or how old they are (though he implies that he has both male and female children, and that there are several mothers). Not much else is known about Andrew Tate's children, but if I recall correctly, he has mentioned on Twitter a few times within the last month that the Romanian prison guards "won't let him see his kids" and stuff, but I'd have to look into that. In summary, Andrew Tate seems to have children (at least, sources present this as fact), but specifics are hard to come by and Tate doesn't offer details. — Askarion ✉ 17:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I’m not sure if this article qualifies an an allowable source, but it seems to offer a lot of previously unknown details about Tate’s upbringing and how it may have influenced his views. In particular, his father Emory Tate seems to have had a similar attitude, and adopted a “tough” parenting style with him. It also mentions that he has a cousin who travels with him and his brother and lived with them in Romania. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:EBA2 ( talk) 06:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate being a misogynist is an innacuracy. Many news outlets have false reported this, however tate and friends of his have refuted this. He has said that he respect women and is tired of his views being seen as misogynistic. 2601:644:8E7F:36F0:F561:D1A7:BE5A:2A3D ( talk) 00:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
1) A source isn't reliable when it falsely states misinformation. Just because a media outlet is mainstream does not make it reliable. 2) Him saying something with misogyny does not make him a self-described mysognist. In order for him to be one he would have to claim to be a misogynist, a claim that was debunked. 3) My links debunked the claims but were deleted. You trust a news outlet but not Tate's own words. 4) The video is still alleged as Tate has not responded. 5) You said "but it sounds like extreme misogyny to me". Mr. Tate has denied being a misogynist and attacked those calling him one meaning he cannot be "self-described". With all due respect I believe that this is an error that should be changed because it's not fair to say someone describes themselves as something they do not. This is misinformation and untrue. PanjshirLions ( talk) 20:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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This is just one instance, but proves the need to rely on reliable sourcing.
This is sourced to Vox, which is sourced to The Daily Beast (a tabloid).
The Daily Beast says:
As can be verified in the primary source, the quote is false; the word "lenient" does not appear once in the video. DFlhb ( talk) 11:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I didn't see the previous RSN discussion, but here are what reliable sources say he meant by it:
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Every single reliable source I can find all say that Tate was saying essentially the same thing: about 40% of the reason he moved there was because he though the country would be less likely to pursue rape/sexual assault cases. I really don't think this is a difficult issue at all. Endwise ( talk) 15:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I understand the desire to include, since it can be read as an "admission" of sorts-- I don't think the reason I want to include it is because it's an "admission" of anything he's being investigated for now, the reason I want to include it is because it seems like important context behind the reason why he moved to Romania, which when I read the article I was puzzled to see left out.
There's a pretty huge gap between "I moved to Romania after a false MeToo allegation because those are less likely in Romania" (paraphrasing, and I'm not remotely endorsing his innocence on that one), versus "I moved to Romania because I get to rape people with no consequence over there".-- I don't think we should be saying he moved to Romania so he could rape women, but the sources paraphrasing his point don't seem to be saying that either. Having watched that video again, I really don't think the secondary sources are summarising it incorrectly: He was saying that he thought Romanian police would be unlikely to pursue a rape allegation without hard evidence, whereas he thought Western police would be likely to do so, and he would like to avoid that. The most recent sources (The Verge and The Independent) seem to me to have a completely accurate summary of what he was saying.
I'm not a fucking rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being freeif you're worried that people might think we're saying he said he moved to Romania to rape women, but I don't think that's necessary at all, and the more ink we spill over this in the article the more undue weight we place on it. Endwise ( talk) 02:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
He said that he moved because he liked "living in countries where corruption is accessible for everybody" and believed that Romanian police would be less likely to pursue sexual assault allegations than in the West, where the MeToo movement allowed women to "destroy the safety of men", including the quote from LA Times. Endwise ( talk) 11:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Looks like Tate’s fans are taking to the streets to demand his release. Specifically, the streets in the center of Athens, Greece. Probably worth a mention, especially if it ends up spreading to other cities. LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 08:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure how a few people protesting is worth any mention yet. If it spreads then I guess yeah Pol Cəl ( talk) 11:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Abobeck11: feel free to find a reliable source about said war room and not one that says “the details of what actually occurs inside the program are unknown” since you claim it’s a major source of income. RossButsy ( talk) 18:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
I don’t see any other users engaging in discourse. I gave you the option of finding a source and you can’t find one so I was right. The source ISN’T a good one, you paid no attention to read the article clearly and just picked the first one you could find. It’s just conjecture and tabloid speculation about something that hasn’t got near as much coverage as his hustlers university. RossButsy ( talk) 20:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Add as you please, forgot about new upcoming Vice documentary which heavily features war room perhaps wait until more information from that is available? RossButsy ( talk) 05:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
The BBC have recently published an article which cites a number of teenage Romanians who describe being contacted by Instagram handles whose username matched that used by Andrew and Tristan Tate before they were banned from the application. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64330811
I note that the BBC has been unable to independently verify their authenticity, or establish whether the messages were sent by Andrew and Tristan Tate themselves or someone working on their behalf.
The BBC report also notes that there is nothing illegal in the Tate brothers contacting girls of 16 or 17 online, or inviting them out.
Having said all of that, I would like to suggest that a sentence or two be added to the page to the effect that "Following Tate's arrest the BBC reported that a number of Romanian Teenagers described receiving Instagram messages, which appeared to have been sent from Tate's account, inviting them to meet Tate. The BBC was unable to independently verify their authenticity, or establish whether the messages were sent by Andrew and Tristan Tate themselves or someone working on their behalf."
I would welcome people's thoughts Jono1011 ( talk) 13:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
nothing illegalabout these particular texts; if that weren't the case, well, it would be quite different). DFlhb ( talk) 13:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Final paragraph in the 2022 Romanian investigation section: "On January 20, a Romanian court extended the brother's police detention until February 27."
" brother's " should be " brothers' ". The detention of both brothers was extended. Can't edit this myself due to page protection. Aspharon ( talk) 12:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate is a Muslim now and your info are still old. Another thing, put the other points of view and facts about him and his brother being in prison and be objective please. 46.32.125.202 ( talk) 14:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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I have some more information I would like to add. I have credible sources, and I would like to spread the word about who Andrew Tate is. I will be changing the first paragraph. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64125045 Jbuck2025 ( talk) 19:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew was born on 14 december, which is stated on his website. https://www.cobratate.com/bio Thymme ( talk) 16:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate was actually born on Dember 14th not December 1st so I ask that you fix it as it is missleading Andrew Tate43 ( talk) 22:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Emory Andrew Tate III (born December 1, 1986) is an American-British social media personality, businessman, former professional kickboxer and human trafficker.
Remove "and human trafficker"
It has not been proven in court this is false information. Brokie101 ( talk) 23:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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You’ve listed him as a human trafficker before the charges have been revealed as true or false. Isn’t this defamation of character and damaging if he’s innocent? 2A02:C7E:5635:7C00:5D32:C9D2:639C:6D49 ( talk) 00:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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01:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)The language barrier seems more like a language force field, in this case.
I actually had doubts, because the DIICOT statements didn't mention charges, but I assumed that Western media said all four had been charged based on talking directly with investigators.
But now, we have the BBC saying explicitly, multiple times, that they are not charged yet. [11] That's not just the BBC; it accords with what I've read in some Romanian sources (which I'll now look for, and add), that say the judge kept them in pre-trial detention due to the gravity of the accusations (not the evidence itself), and that he found that evidence insufficient (as yet) for the case to be able to move to trial. I'll dig deeper and try to find out the cause for this discrepancy. Might take me a few days, because of other priorities, but I think we should be small-c conservative until then (and say "accused of" rather than "charged"). DFlhb ( talk) 19:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Their detention could be extended to a maximum of 180 days, pending possible indictment.
In the opening paragraph it says that he is a “self-described misogynist”. Andrew Tate has said several times in both of his Piers Morgan interviews that he “does not believe that he is misogynistic”. I may be wrong but could someone provide a source for when he has said that he is a misogynist? MayoForSam2023 ( talk) 21:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
In an appearance on the Anything Goes with James English podcast last year, Tate said: “You can’t slander me because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I’m absolutely a misogynist, and I have f*** you money and you can’t take that away.”
The quote is long enough and significant enough to deserve a quoteblock, per our MOS. Done. Hopefully this will also silence those who keep complaining. Now they'll notice his own words. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 20:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Change stance from "Southpaw" to "Orthodox" ( talk) 19:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please update to 2023 2400:ADC1:477:8500:196A:9510:17C1:8489 ( talk) 11:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Matt shea redirects to American media figure Matt shea and not the British filmmaker of the same name 2600:6C50:49F0:690:4906:C2A9:C55A:3F0D ( talk) 05:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Does that section looks out-of-place to anyone else? We're supposed to include material based on secondary sources (including media coverage), but meta-discussions about media coverage don't seem that useful. DFlhb ( talk) 17:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Tate's activities have been extensively covered by the world's media since late 2022" is kind of implied by the existence of the coverage listed elsewhere in the article (also, "
mostly commenting negatively on his misogyny" – is this an appropriate use of referring to Tate as misogynist in wikivoice, especially when it does not specify his commentary, and just says "Tate's misogyny"?). As for the VICE documentary, I'm not sure where else that would go besides in a "media coverage" section. Unless someone is willing to watch the documentary and use information in it elsewhere in the article? Askarion ✉ 14:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
mostly commenting negatively on his misogynyis redundant with that fact being highlighted in the lead, rather than being a wikivoice issue. The issue with this "meta-talk" is that in an already pretty comprehensive article, it'll just repeat things mentioned elsewhere. DFlhb ( talk) 18:29, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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in the section "Andre Tate has not been charged" please add "because he's not in the US or the UK where a charge is necessary before someone is held on remand pending further investigations and a court date. In Romania you are held in "arestare preventivă" an almost identical state to remand, authorised by a judge, while investigations continue. It is only once those investigations have completed will you be charged or released. It is for all intents and purposes exactly the same as UK processes.
https://www.fairtrials.org/app/uploads/2022/01/Criminal-Proceedings-and-Defence-Rights-in-Romania.pdf 77.98.164.244 ( talk) 21:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
not a serious request; trolling that no longer makes any sense with the redaction. Keeping for historical purposes only
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(Redacted) At the rate current events are unfolding, you've really got to wonder when a bombshell might drop. John Shandy` • talk 05:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change “self described misogynist“ to “described misogynist”, because Andrew Tate had never called himself a misogynist but has been labeled as one. This is just a slight grammatical error.
Removing the comment all together would remove the controversy around Andrew Tate. 72.235.92.166 ( talk) 05:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Cannolis ( talk) 07:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)He has said he would attack a woman who accused him of cheating and described himself as “absolutely a misogynist.”
'In an appearance on the Anything Goes with James English podcast last year, Tate said: “You can’t slander me because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I’m absolutely a misogynist, and I have f*** you money and you can’t take that away.”'Kind regards, W. Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ c) 06:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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andrew tate is a muslim
https://rumble.com/v1t04lu-andrew-tate-why-i-became-a-muslim-when-i-will-fight-logan-paul-how-to-be-a-.html 2001:9E8:6EF9:9700:65BD:BD9B:C971:D943 ( talk) 14:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC) 2001:9E8:6EF9:9700:65BD:BD9B:C971:D943 ( talk) 14:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate has three sons named Ben Divido, Ovie Dumuje, and Anthony Robles Roeijwroae ( talk) 14:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
several children living in Romania" and that "
sometimes [Tate] went to visit them". The Times article is more descriptive ("
Tate has children himself but won’t talk about them"), and features an interview with Tate in which he says:
I am not going to give numbers, but I am certain I will have more children than 99.9 per cent of the population of the western world. Double digit children. And they all adore me. They see me as their hero and the women who have my children see me as a hero. Everybody close to me respects me. Nobody has ever said that what I am doing is detrimental to the boys. Or the girls.
— Andrew Tate to the Times on September 24, 2022
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Ouari Bekka ( talk) 19:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I have a better idea for the picture try this one that I uploaded in Wekimedia commons 0 Emory-Andrew-Tate-III (1).jpg
Why does "top g" redirect to Andrew Tate? MrDudeSirGuyMan ( talk) 16:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Do not add false claims 80.43.114.41 ( talk) 10:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
"Tate was raised in the Christian faith.[17]" This sentence is misleading. Tate has converted to Islam which isn't mentioned anywhere here. After he converted to Islam he visited the show of famous muslim youtubers Muhammad Hijab to talk about his conversion. He was also seen in a Mosque praying with his muslim friend. He believes "Islam is the last religion on earth" and has spoken negatively about the current state of Christianity. 2003:CD:5F03:0:9F13:2DC4:D12:BF55 ( talk) 16:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
From what I understand, he did not convert to Eastern Orthodoxy either through baptism or chrismation and calling him one just because he offered donations and went to Church sometimes is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.192.32 ( talk) 05:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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Stance part; he is Muslim not orthodox 5.45.129.213 ( talk) 21:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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As he has been converted to Islam update in dashboard of wiki first page. Thank you 42.105.48.183 ( talk) 02:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
The legacy of Donald Trump and his "alternative facts" here I think. Although in a grammatic sense a baseless claim, false claim, and mistaken claim etc are essentially the same thing, they have (especially post-Trump) come to be different.
Re this bit - "Social media rumors baselessly attributed Andrew Tate's arrest to pizza boxes shown in his response video to Greta Thunberg, which Romanian authorities denied."
(e.g. If a train driver sees a red light dangled maliciously by a trespasser on the line and stops - would his reasoning really be considered "baseless" rather than "mistaken"? Unlike say if they falsely claimed to have seen a red light as an excuse when stopping for some other unauthorised reason?)
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Tate released a video featuring Romanian pizza boxes, and was then arrested in Romania by the police there, leading Thunberg supporters to (mistakenly) assert that (the roving) Tate had unwittingly alerted Romanian police that he was (back) in the country.
That view wasn't "baseless" in the post Trump sense, it was mistaken. The Romanian pizza boxes were really in the video and it was a reasonable assumption etc even if wrong.
(It matters also due to the similarities between Trump supporters and Tate supporters - presently it could somehow allude that Thunberg supporters also engage in "baseless" behaviour) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 ( talk) 12:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
It was a reasonable assumptionI strenuously disagree, and don't believe any sources see it like that. It was a preposterous claim, asserted confidently as fact, that was claimed to be sourced to a Gandul article, but that article never mentioned Thunberg or made any such claims. Gândul called it "fabulation", and reported that the Tate brothers were caught due to satellite surveillance and wiretapping. Romania happens to be a competent country with a decent police force, not a country made of papier-mâché and cardboard that would need social media pics to catch someone. And I don't think this reflect poorly on Thunberg or her supporters at all, since they were certainly in it "for the memes"; but the claim itself is most accurately described as "baseless". DFlhb ( talk) 12:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
There is at least one person who is impersonating Andrew Tate, presumably to make money off his fanbase. There may well be others, too (in addition to the guys who impersonate Tate for comedic reasons, such as the gay TikToker who goes by “Bottom G”). Are any of the fake Tates notable enough to mention here? LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 02:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
As wiki says that he has been converted to ISLAM then show it on wiki dashboard 42.105.49.101 ( talk) 13:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
He is literally a professional misogynist. He operates a cult dedicated to women hatred and "playboy" strategies known as the War Room. This feels very weird not being in the lead introduction 80.57.110.242 ( talk) 07:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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He began offering paid courses and memberships through his website and rose to fame as an internet celebrity, promoting an "ultra-masculine, ultra-luxurious lifestyle," commonly known as the "Top G" by his fans. TheDonquavious ( talk) 21:58, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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Tate’s media/publicist team recently confirmed that Andrew has been diagnosed with lung cancer. There are sources on the internet that can confirm this. Just seems an important addition to his ‘Personal life’ section. Bposterboard ( talk) 00:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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Emory Andrew Tate III is NOT a self-declared misogynist! 91.187.148.150 ( talk) 16:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
“You can’t be responsible for a dog if it doesn’t obey you.” He has said he would attack a woman who accused him of cheating and described himself as “absolutely a misogynist.”ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 16:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Andrew Tate's website is a WP:LINKSTOAVOID violation due to the fact that it directly promotes his "business", which has been widely described as a scam by multiple sources. Per the policy on not including this type of material, it should be removed. Not to mention the fact that it links to external harassment and encourages violence against women, another violation. Therefore, it should be swiftly removed. 2402:4000:21C2:5503:1CD6:962D:6E6C:7AE7 ( talk) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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I don't think he has children. Or does he have? It is possible that Tristan has a child, although we don't know without a paternity test. .karellian-24 ( talk) 17:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
had several children living in Romania" and that "
they sometimes went to visit them". The London Times says that Andrew Tate has children but that he wouldn't discuss specifics, such as how many or how old they are (though he implies that he has both male and female children, and that there are several mothers). Not much else is known about Andrew Tate's children, but if I recall correctly, he has mentioned on Twitter a few times within the last month that the Romanian prison guards "won't let him see his kids" and stuff, but I'd have to look into that. In summary, Andrew Tate seems to have children (at least, sources present this as fact), but specifics are hard to come by and Tate doesn't offer details. — Askarion ✉ 17:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I’m not sure if this article qualifies an an allowable source, but it seems to offer a lot of previously unknown details about Tate’s upbringing and how it may have influenced his views. In particular, his father Emory Tate seems to have had a similar attitude, and adopted a “tough” parenting style with him. It also mentions that he has a cousin who travels with him and his brother and lived with them in Romania. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:EBA2 ( talk) 06:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)