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Andrew Tates Is Now A Muslim 2404:3100:1C0F:7C2:1:0:F281:1F42 ( talk) 02:46, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Per WP:DENY it should be added back to prevent editors below 500 from expressing their opinion or adding changes to this article. If it remains this way there will be more disruption as seen from the past few days. This will make sure this article stays neutral and doesn't have people adding poorly sourced information about the subject. Another example is Jats. The protection should be reinstated to not allow vandals or trolls from making this article an advertisement for the subject. 5.133.154.102 ( talk) 20:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
The Tate brothers have TatePledge in their website, a philanthropist webpage dedicated to helping people in war-torn countries such as Syria and Ukraine. I think we should include that in the wiki article. CrownedBird6422 ( talk) 08:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Should we perhaps include anything about Tate's chess playing during his early childhood? H44dyss9900 ( talk) 14:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Apaprently, as of writing, Tristan Tate is a redirect to the "Early life" section of this article.
I don’t really know much about either of the brothers, but I would assume he’s independently notable.
A quick google search comes up with plenty of articles independently discussing him. RadioactiveBoulevardier ( talk) 08:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Based off the opinions of little children in various YouTube Shorts posts about him. GarethBaloney ( talk) 19:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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3rd Paragraph of Lede:
"In December 2022, Tate and his brother Tristan were arrested in Romania along with two women; all four are suspected of human trafficking and forming an organised crime group. Romanian police alleged that the group coerced victims into creating paid pornography for social media.[8]"
In the first instance, I request a change from "social media" to "specialist websites" as per the cited source: "pornographic content meant to be seen on specialised websites for a cost". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64122628 One of the websites was Only Fans. BruckerState ( talk) 18:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Andrew Tate now identifies as a woman. I think this should be reflected on her Wikipedia page. GHDmnespafro ( talk) 19:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
the material is ... an exceptional claim. Obviously, this is an exceptional claim, so secondary confirmation is needed. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 04:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Obviously, this is an exceptional claim" -- hmm, I don't think we generally should be seeing gender identifications in primary sources as "exceptional claims" and, therefore, unusable. We can probably trust gender-ID's in primary sources for most people. We just need to apply some common sense and WP:IAR with situations like this, and I'd like to note they are becoming more abundant. This happened with Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh (political commentator) recently. Iamreallygoodatcheckers talk 06:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Remove Reference to 'Ex Boyfriend Calling the Embassy' plus another correction.
"On 11 April 2022, a man called the U.S. embassy to report that his former girlfriend, an American citizen, was being held captive in the Tate brothers' home in Pipera, Romania.[82][83] "
Change to,
"On 11 April 2022 the US Embassy received a claim that a US Citizen was being held against her will in a property owned by the Tate brothers in Pipera, Romania."
Note: TWO corrections. It was NOT the Tate brothers's compound, where Tristan and Andrew lived; the alleged victim had been transferred to a separate nearby property, run presumably by Georgiana.
Only one of the cited sources carries the ex boyfriend rumour, and it appears to state it as speculative and unconfirmed.
"The first searches were organized by the Ilfov police, mobilized based on a notification from the US Embassy in Bucharest. Apparently, it was the boyfriend of one of the young women who called the US Embassy and announced that his girlfriend was being held by force in the house of some Englishmen settled in Pipera."
Since this time, primary evidence has emerged of the alleged victims parents saying that she must not attempt to escape by herself and that the US embassy must be contacted. Zero evidence has emerged of an Ex Boyfriend being any part of events.
The Ex Boyfriend story was put out there by the four human trafficking suspects themselves and remains wholly unsubstantiated. BruckerState ( talk) 10:48, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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Remove unsubstantiated Kickboxing Record
The current cited source for '76 fights' is utter trash, it literally gives his net worth as 50 Billion... https://sidekickboxing.co.uk/the-life-of-andrew-king-cobra-tate/
"76 wins, 9 losses" is highly contested and doesn't pass the common sense test. Why would he have over 50 professional fights which left no record?
Furthermore: in February 2020, fighting Miralem Ahmeti, Tate was billed as having 40 fights and 7 losses, yet 10 months later, fighting Cosmin Lingurar, he was billed as having 75 professional fights with 9 losses. That implies a whopping 36 professional fights in ten months, with no record existing for all but two. This does not seem remotely possible.
His claimed fighting record is strongly contested, here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYtxg_DiX8&t=19m43s
I request that the current stats be replaced by stats of the circa 30 fights on record. BruckerState ( talk) 10:23, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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Under Romanian Investigation, here are some suggested changes to make everything clearer:
Original
DIICOT accuses the Tates of having recruited women through the "loverboy" method—which consists of misrepresenting one's intention to commit to a romantic relationship—and having forced them to create explicit content for websites like OnlyFans, as part of an organised crime group the Tates are alleged to have formed in early 2021.
My proposal
DIICOT accused Andrew and Tristan Tate of having each recruited webcam workers for their unregistered and therefore illegal adult content business via the "loverboy" method, which consists of misrepresenting one's intention to commit to a romantic relationship.
The two assistants, Georgiana Naghel and Luana Radu, are accused of having continued the grooming process of the duped women, housing them and overseeing their production of explicit content for websites including OnlyFans, working the women up to twelve hours a day under the threat of violence.
In addition to the Human Trafficking charges for the specific actions each individual allegedly carried out, they each faced Organised Crime charges for the acts the gang allegedly committed as a whole; Andrew is alleged to have personally trafficked four women on record [or, was alleged...3] for which he picks up a Human Trafficking In Continued Form charge [was, three human trafficking charges] , and was allegedly the led the gang of Andrew, Tristan, Georgiana and Luana, which trafficked seven [was six] women on record (three recruited by Tristan), for which he picks up a charge for being a member of Organised Crime Group with the purpose of trafficking women.
- There should be no claims here that aren't in current sources, but here is a recent article, in case it helps:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581218
Should it be in the past tense? to match the later,
On 13 June, DIICOT adjusted the charges from human trafficking to "human trafficking in continued form", a more serious charge.[116] One additional victim was identified, bringing the total count to seven.
I do some repetition, so it would be great if another editor could improve it. In the first instance, I needed it to be clear enough for fellow editors to understand!
Thanks!
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I see issues in edits made in the last month. Some already-mentioned material was added, causing repetition (like mention of the belt video) or duplication across sections (UK investigation). The "Views" section cited many unreliable arnd seemingly unreliable sources, like "Meaww", Sportskeeda, Ladbible, "Yardbarker", "TheSportsRush", Facebook or the Herald Sun (tabloid). I've kept the useful additions, like radicalization warnings from the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, the additional school warnings, and mention of him and his supporters spreading conspiracy theories. I've removed mention of his sister under WP:BLPNAME since she's a non-public figure. Reverted changes to British spelling as well under WP:ENGVAR.
I've also reverted this change which contradicted both the cited source and the original VICE report. DFlhb ( talk) 10:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Change “Parents: Emery Tate” to “Parents: Emery Tate (Father) and Eileen Tate (Mother) 2601:283:C000:BF70:196C:111C:D4AD:F3B7 ( talk) 11:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
MrOllie:
I feel like the term "Misogynistic" is loaded. And one of the
MOSes agree with me. As seen in
MOS:CONTROVERSIAL, the words to watch are cult, racist, perverted, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, sect, fundamentalist, heretic...
. I believe that this term used directly to label something would be
biased.
I believe that either of these two would be better, but I see number 2 as the best one:
1: "Tate's commentary has resulted in his suspension from various social media platforms."
2: "Tate's commentary, which some has been described to be misogynistic, has resulted in his suspension from various social media platforms."
What do we say here? Best, Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 20:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
which some has been described to be. What we say here is what the reliable sources do, in plain language. MrOllie ( talk) 20:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
Rankings:
Ranked N1 90k kickboxer in the world - 2016
Ranked number 2 in the world - 2012
Ranked Number 1 in Europe - 2009
Ranked Number 7 in Britain - 2008
Titles:
ISKA World Full-Contact Light Heavyweight Title −81.5 kg. 2011
ISKA World Full-Contact Light Cruiserweight Title −84.6 kg. 2013 (1 defense) 2014
Enfusion champion 2014
Enfusion tournament runner up 2012
Enfusion world title runner up 2016
IKF British champion 2009
ISKA English champion 2009
ISKA world title title runner up. 2011
ISKA British title runner up 2007
NDC full contact title runner up 2011
Runner up for Its Showtime title 2012 Imintheweedz ( talk) 16:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Tate has acknowledged having children, including implying he has a lot and by more than one woman. Isn't it worth mentioning this? Articles about a person include their family. Tate's word is not a reliable source as he's a frequent liar at worst and a self-promoter at best, but isn't there a gap in this article by not mentioning his claims about kids? For example, in the recent Piers Morgan interview he references his kids numerous times and that he is their provider. Piers pushes him on specifics and Tate is coy.
Fine, the article doesn't need to have specifics for something that isn't specified, but shouldn't this be addressed? ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ( talk) 15:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
It seems based on the official Romanian court's verdict, or at least the translation of the Bucharest court's appeal verdict, the decision to ease his travel restrictions to Romania from September 28, 2023, was reversed on October 10, 2023, and he still can't leave Ilfov County.
https://portal.just.ro/2/SitePages/Dosar.aspx?id_dosar=300000001081750&id_inst=2 (verdict of the court of appeal on the official Romanian court website from 10.10.2023, which overturns the 28.09.2023 verdict to ease restrictions on travel)
Translator was used to translate part of the text from Romanian: "On the basis of Article 4251(1) and 7(2)(a) of the Code of Criminal Procedure, read in conjunction with Article 205 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, upholds the appeal lodged by the Public Prosecutor's Office before the High Court of Cassation and Justice - Directorate for the Investigation of Organised Crime and Terrorism Offences - Central Structure against that judgment. Partially quashes the contested judgment and remands the case: Dismisses as unfounded the requests of the defendants TATE III EMORY ANDREW, TATE TRISTAN and NAGHEL GEORGIANA-MANUELA for substitution of the obligation provided for in Article 215(2)(a) of the Code of Criminal Procedure not to leave the municipality of Bucharest. București și jud. Ilfov except with the prior consent of the preliminary chamber judge or the court with the obligation provided for by the same legal provisions not to leave the territory of Romania except with the prior consent of the preliminary chamber judge or the court."
In case claims that are out of context, such as the relation of this text to the 28.09.2023 verdict about easing restrictions, you can translate the rest of the text and compare it with the link below to the case from 28.09.2023.
https://portal.just.ro/3/SitePages/Dosar.aspx?id_dosar=300000001081750&id_inst=3 (initial decision to ease restrictions from 28.09.2023)
I'm not sure if this will be accepted due to being a translation of a non-English source, even if it comes from a Romanian authority, but I guess there's no harm in trying. NagatoUz ( talk) 04:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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He converted to Islam 2409:40C0:50:1E82:F45B:2F5A:529B:FAD5 ( talk) 11:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Before: Tate was raised Christian, and later became an atheist.
After: Tate was raised Christian, and later became an atheist and converted to Islam December of 2022
I would recommend for you change that as it is not up to date. -.xZukø- ( talk) 13:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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I’d like to add 2 more wins in record with proof. And more info that is currently not added yet. 92.99.113.170 ( talk) 00:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Re: first line: Emory Andrew Tate III (born 1 December 1986) is an American-British media personality, businessman, former professional kickboxer and social media influencer.
I can't find any references to Tate as a " media personality" (celebrity), only as a " social media personality" (internet celebrity), the two being distinctly different. From a quick news search all RS references appear for social media personality. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
Unless sources can be found referring to Tate as a media personality / celebrity, I suggest the following:
Emory Andrew Tate III (born 1 December 1986) is an American-British social media personality, businessman and former professional kickboxer
Likewise there are no sources for this in the article. I'm aware it's a very small change, it's more about where the wikilink takes you, and don't want to edit war over modifying the first line, this being quite a dramatic change arguably. @ User:Partofthemachine
PS - Ignore comment on "businessman" references, was searching wrong, clearly there is enough about his businesses in the article. CommunityNotesContributor ( talk) 15:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Also he won 2 fights before the first one in his wiki AliM7mdd ( talk) 15:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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I know his real record verified by many organizations I deal with ima kickboxer myself. AliM7mdd ( talk) 15:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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86.16.144.209 ( talk) 07:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Andrew Tate converted to Islam
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[ [10]] AliM7mdd ( talk) 16:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question. An article for Andrew's brother - Tristan - does not exist, and the URL for his Wikipedia article simply redirects to Andrew's page. Arguably, Tristan is also quite popular/notable, because nearly everyone who knows Andrew also knows him as well. For example, nearly all of his podcasts feature his brother - who also speaks his opinions. There is a lot of content and external sources that could be used to formulate an article for Tristan, so I believe that he fits the notability requirements for a Wikipedia article very well. So, I would be keen to write a separate article about Tristan, rather than the URL for his page ( /info/en/?search=Tristan_Tate) simply redirecting to Andrew's article. Thanks. Styx276 ( talk) 02:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Really long run on sentence that's somewhat unintelligible in the lead. I'd fix but idk what it's trying to say toobigtokale ( talk) 09:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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CommunityNotesContributor, DFlhb and Mr vili I will be reviewing this article. 750h+ ( talk) 00:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material.per MOS:LEADCITE. Can remove the rest if you think it's necessary though. CommunityNotesContributor ( talk) 13:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Passing the random source integrity check. 750h+ ( talk) 02:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The article is well-written, sourced, and illustrated. We did have to come to some compromises, however it is overall good. Congratulations CommunityNotesContributor and DFlhb, for bringing this article to such high quality. After you address the final minor flaws, I will check over the article and promote it to GA. If I'm correct, you can receive the Million Award. 750h+ ( talk) 14:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
This is clearly a direct translation of the Romanian control judiciar, but it’s kind of meaningless in English. We should find a suitable equivalent. Maybe “court supervision”? There’s some discussion here. — Biruitorul Talk 09:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
With the content in the article:
According to the Anti-Defamation League, Tate posted the following lesson to his TikTok account, for the appropriate response if a man is accused of cheating: It's bang out the machete, boom in her face, you grip her up by the neck, 'WHAT’S UP BITCH'...you go fuck her. That’s how it goes, you go slap, slap, grab, choke, 'shut up bitch,' sex
It's out of context and inaccurate, a full context video states what Tate would do if a woman threatens him with a Machete while accusing him of cheating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vYk0Qp1hX4 Mr Vili talk 06:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Regarding changes per
MOS:OPENPARABIO: The opening paragraph of a biographical article should neutrally describe the person, provide context, establish notability and explain why the person is notable, and reflect the balance of reliable sources.
and
MOS:OPEN: The first paragraph should define or identify the topic with a neutral point of view, but without being too specific.
Naturally, the
MOS:FIRST sentence does nothing to achieve this as an opening paragraph.
Hopefully we can all agree where the bulk of reliable sources comes from, it's undoubtedly regarding his social media presence, it's certainly not to do with his kickboxing career, Big Brother, or his online ventures, which gain passing mentions. The balance/difficulty here is being about to include his notability in a neutral manner, which is easier said than done, and should be achieved rather than abandoned.
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His contentious commentary has resulted in expulsions from various social media platforms and concern from advocacy groups, parents, teachers, and counter-terrorism police. Surveys of British people have found that most respondents are aware of Tate, whose views are influential and popular mostly among young males.
His controversial commentary has resulted in his expulsions from various social media platforms and concern that he is encouraging misogynistic views among young men.
My concern with the change to the second sentence is POV and being too specific, hence the previous sentence was more vague and neutral (though could be better summarised). Likewise, the third sentence, helps provide the context of his notability. @ Hemiauchenia in your edit you said "Tate is known worldwide, so it makes little sense to mention the UK exclusively here" [19], do you have a reliable source for this claim, or is this OR?
The context in that sentence he is British, and most British people have heard of him, as well as his influence. I haven't seen any surveys in other countries of his notability or influence, only UK based studies (that's half the section of Reception), so seems highly relevant for establishing notability in a neutral manner. Overall, I highly doubt he is very well known outside of the UK and US, and even in US I wouldn't be surprised to hear that most people have never heard of him, based on my research when creating the reception section.
I thought I'd bring this discussion to the talk page, as while I could of simply reverted your edits, given that reducing an OPEN to a FIRST is never an improvement, good faith edits are usually best discussed. CommunityNotesContributor ( talk) 11:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
His contentious commentary has resulted in ... concern from advocacy groups, parents, teachers, and counter-terrorism police.is negative in a vague way that WP:BLP tells us to avoid. Reading the sources, it's pretty obvious the concern is primarily about misogyny, and that should be reflected in the lead. I would be fine with modifying the sentence to mention encouraging violence and sexual assault against women if the sources support that. I also don't object to you moving the sentence up into the opening paragraph. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Tate later used his audience from his online courses to propel himself to fame as an internet celebrity promoting a masculine, luxurious lifestyle.
Tate gained notoriety on social media for promoting a "hyper-masculine, ultra-luxurious lifestyle".which is cited to this BBC article [20]. The use of online courses refers to this part of the body
Tate became highly prominent in 2022 by encouraging members of Hustler's University to post large numbers of videos of him to social media platforms in an effort to maximise engagementcited to this article in The Guardian [21] (full disclosure: I wrote this part of the body). I would be okay with "prominence" "widespread attention" etc if that's a better alternative. It's obvious looking at google trends he went from relatively unknown to well-known in 2022 [22], when he started to receive significant coverage by media publications, which is what I was getting at. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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He was educated at Lea Manor High School /info/en/?search=Lea_Manor_High_School (not Halyard as it currently states.) Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvcZaD8vQk @31min 56 sec 93.8.160.38 ( talk) 18:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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His opponent Vincent has wiki add it
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Hello, I want to request a change of photo on the Tate page, due to it being taken in an unprofessional pose. MateoBuzan ( talk) 15:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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AliM7mdd ( talk) 07:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Add Miroslav wiki into his record it’s his 2nd last loss
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Add Miroslav Cingel wiki
It’s his second last loss
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Andrew Tates Is Now A Muslim 2404:3100:1C0F:7C2:1:0:F281:1F42 ( talk) 02:46, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Per WP:DENY it should be added back to prevent editors below 500 from expressing their opinion or adding changes to this article. If it remains this way there will be more disruption as seen from the past few days. This will make sure this article stays neutral and doesn't have people adding poorly sourced information about the subject. Another example is Jats. The protection should be reinstated to not allow vandals or trolls from making this article an advertisement for the subject. 5.133.154.102 ( talk) 20:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
The Tate brothers have TatePledge in their website, a philanthropist webpage dedicated to helping people in war-torn countries such as Syria and Ukraine. I think we should include that in the wiki article. CrownedBird6422 ( talk) 08:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Should we perhaps include anything about Tate's chess playing during his early childhood? H44dyss9900 ( talk) 14:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Apaprently, as of writing, Tristan Tate is a redirect to the "Early life" section of this article.
I don’t really know much about either of the brothers, but I would assume he’s independently notable.
A quick google search comes up with plenty of articles independently discussing him. RadioactiveBoulevardier ( talk) 08:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Based off the opinions of little children in various YouTube Shorts posts about him. GarethBaloney ( talk) 19:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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3rd Paragraph of Lede:
"In December 2022, Tate and his brother Tristan were arrested in Romania along with two women; all four are suspected of human trafficking and forming an organised crime group. Romanian police alleged that the group coerced victims into creating paid pornography for social media.[8]"
In the first instance, I request a change from "social media" to "specialist websites" as per the cited source: "pornographic content meant to be seen on specialised websites for a cost". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64122628 One of the websites was Only Fans. BruckerState ( talk) 18:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Andrew Tate now identifies as a woman. I think this should be reflected on her Wikipedia page. GHDmnespafro ( talk) 19:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
the material is ... an exceptional claim. Obviously, this is an exceptional claim, so secondary confirmation is needed. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 04:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Obviously, this is an exceptional claim" -- hmm, I don't think we generally should be seeing gender identifications in primary sources as "exceptional claims" and, therefore, unusable. We can probably trust gender-ID's in primary sources for most people. We just need to apply some common sense and WP:IAR with situations like this, and I'd like to note they are becoming more abundant. This happened with Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh (political commentator) recently. Iamreallygoodatcheckers talk 06:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Remove Reference to 'Ex Boyfriend Calling the Embassy' plus another correction.
"On 11 April 2022, a man called the U.S. embassy to report that his former girlfriend, an American citizen, was being held captive in the Tate brothers' home in Pipera, Romania.[82][83] "
Change to,
"On 11 April 2022 the US Embassy received a claim that a US Citizen was being held against her will in a property owned by the Tate brothers in Pipera, Romania."
Note: TWO corrections. It was NOT the Tate brothers's compound, where Tristan and Andrew lived; the alleged victim had been transferred to a separate nearby property, run presumably by Georgiana.
Only one of the cited sources carries the ex boyfriend rumour, and it appears to state it as speculative and unconfirmed.
"The first searches were organized by the Ilfov police, mobilized based on a notification from the US Embassy in Bucharest. Apparently, it was the boyfriend of one of the young women who called the US Embassy and announced that his girlfriend was being held by force in the house of some Englishmen settled in Pipera."
Since this time, primary evidence has emerged of the alleged victims parents saying that she must not attempt to escape by herself and that the US embassy must be contacted. Zero evidence has emerged of an Ex Boyfriend being any part of events.
The Ex Boyfriend story was put out there by the four human trafficking suspects themselves and remains wholly unsubstantiated. BruckerState ( talk) 10:48, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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Remove unsubstantiated Kickboxing Record
The current cited source for '76 fights' is utter trash, it literally gives his net worth as 50 Billion... https://sidekickboxing.co.uk/the-life-of-andrew-king-cobra-tate/
"76 wins, 9 losses" is highly contested and doesn't pass the common sense test. Why would he have over 50 professional fights which left no record?
Furthermore: in February 2020, fighting Miralem Ahmeti, Tate was billed as having 40 fights and 7 losses, yet 10 months later, fighting Cosmin Lingurar, he was billed as having 75 professional fights with 9 losses. That implies a whopping 36 professional fights in ten months, with no record existing for all but two. This does not seem remotely possible.
His claimed fighting record is strongly contested, here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYtxg_DiX8&t=19m43s
I request that the current stats be replaced by stats of the circa 30 fights on record. BruckerState ( talk) 10:23, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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Under Romanian Investigation, here are some suggested changes to make everything clearer:
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DIICOT accuses the Tates of having recruited women through the "loverboy" method—which consists of misrepresenting one's intention to commit to a romantic relationship—and having forced them to create explicit content for websites like OnlyFans, as part of an organised crime group the Tates are alleged to have formed in early 2021.
My proposal
DIICOT accused Andrew and Tristan Tate of having each recruited webcam workers for their unregistered and therefore illegal adult content business via the "loverboy" method, which consists of misrepresenting one's intention to commit to a romantic relationship.
The two assistants, Georgiana Naghel and Luana Radu, are accused of having continued the grooming process of the duped women, housing them and overseeing their production of explicit content for websites including OnlyFans, working the women up to twelve hours a day under the threat of violence.
In addition to the Human Trafficking charges for the specific actions each individual allegedly carried out, they each faced Organised Crime charges for the acts the gang allegedly committed as a whole; Andrew is alleged to have personally trafficked four women on record [or, was alleged...3] for which he picks up a Human Trafficking In Continued Form charge [was, three human trafficking charges] , and was allegedly the led the gang of Andrew, Tristan, Georgiana and Luana, which trafficked seven [was six] women on record (three recruited by Tristan), for which he picks up a charge for being a member of Organised Crime Group with the purpose of trafficking women.
- There should be no claims here that aren't in current sources, but here is a recent article, in case it helps:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581218
Should it be in the past tense? to match the later,
On 13 June, DIICOT adjusted the charges from human trafficking to "human trafficking in continued form", a more serious charge.[116] One additional victim was identified, bringing the total count to seven.
I do some repetition, so it would be great if another editor could improve it. In the first instance, I needed it to be clear enough for fellow editors to understand!
Thanks!
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I see issues in edits made in the last month. Some already-mentioned material was added, causing repetition (like mention of the belt video) or duplication across sections (UK investigation). The "Views" section cited many unreliable arnd seemingly unreliable sources, like "Meaww", Sportskeeda, Ladbible, "Yardbarker", "TheSportsRush", Facebook or the Herald Sun (tabloid). I've kept the useful additions, like radicalization warnings from the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, the additional school warnings, and mention of him and his supporters spreading conspiracy theories. I've removed mention of his sister under WP:BLPNAME since she's a non-public figure. Reverted changes to British spelling as well under WP:ENGVAR.
I've also reverted this change which contradicted both the cited source and the original VICE report. DFlhb ( talk) 10:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Change “Parents: Emery Tate” to “Parents: Emery Tate (Father) and Eileen Tate (Mother) 2601:283:C000:BF70:196C:111C:D4AD:F3B7 ( talk) 11:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
MrOllie:
I feel like the term "Misogynistic" is loaded. And one of the
MOSes agree with me. As seen in
MOS:CONTROVERSIAL, the words to watch are cult, racist, perverted, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, sect, fundamentalist, heretic...
. I believe that this term used directly to label something would be
biased.
I believe that either of these two would be better, but I see number 2 as the best one:
1: "Tate's commentary has resulted in his suspension from various social media platforms."
2: "Tate's commentary, which some has been described to be misogynistic, has resulted in his suspension from various social media platforms."
What do we say here? Best, Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 20:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
which some has been described to be. What we say here is what the reliable sources do, in plain language. MrOllie ( talk) 20:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
Rankings:
Ranked N1 90k kickboxer in the world - 2016
Ranked number 2 in the world - 2012
Ranked Number 1 in Europe - 2009
Ranked Number 7 in Britain - 2008
Titles:
ISKA World Full-Contact Light Heavyweight Title −81.5 kg. 2011
ISKA World Full-Contact Light Cruiserweight Title −84.6 kg. 2013 (1 defense) 2014
Enfusion champion 2014
Enfusion tournament runner up 2012
Enfusion world title runner up 2016
IKF British champion 2009
ISKA English champion 2009
ISKA world title title runner up. 2011
ISKA British title runner up 2007
NDC full contact title runner up 2011
Runner up for Its Showtime title 2012 Imintheweedz ( talk) 16:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Tate has acknowledged having children, including implying he has a lot and by more than one woman. Isn't it worth mentioning this? Articles about a person include their family. Tate's word is not a reliable source as he's a frequent liar at worst and a self-promoter at best, but isn't there a gap in this article by not mentioning his claims about kids? For example, in the recent Piers Morgan interview he references his kids numerous times and that he is their provider. Piers pushes him on specifics and Tate is coy.
Fine, the article doesn't need to have specifics for something that isn't specified, but shouldn't this be addressed? ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ( talk) 15:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
It seems based on the official Romanian court's verdict, or at least the translation of the Bucharest court's appeal verdict, the decision to ease his travel restrictions to Romania from September 28, 2023, was reversed on October 10, 2023, and he still can't leave Ilfov County.
https://portal.just.ro/2/SitePages/Dosar.aspx?id_dosar=300000001081750&id_inst=2 (verdict of the court of appeal on the official Romanian court website from 10.10.2023, which overturns the 28.09.2023 verdict to ease restrictions on travel)
Translator was used to translate part of the text from Romanian: "On the basis of Article 4251(1) and 7(2)(a) of the Code of Criminal Procedure, read in conjunction with Article 205 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, upholds the appeal lodged by the Public Prosecutor's Office before the High Court of Cassation and Justice - Directorate for the Investigation of Organised Crime and Terrorism Offences - Central Structure against that judgment. Partially quashes the contested judgment and remands the case: Dismisses as unfounded the requests of the defendants TATE III EMORY ANDREW, TATE TRISTAN and NAGHEL GEORGIANA-MANUELA for substitution of the obligation provided for in Article 215(2)(a) of the Code of Criminal Procedure not to leave the municipality of Bucharest. București și jud. Ilfov except with the prior consent of the preliminary chamber judge or the court with the obligation provided for by the same legal provisions not to leave the territory of Romania except with the prior consent of the preliminary chamber judge or the court."
In case claims that are out of context, such as the relation of this text to the 28.09.2023 verdict about easing restrictions, you can translate the rest of the text and compare it with the link below to the case from 28.09.2023.
https://portal.just.ro/3/SitePages/Dosar.aspx?id_dosar=300000001081750&id_inst=3 (initial decision to ease restrictions from 28.09.2023)
I'm not sure if this will be accepted due to being a translation of a non-English source, even if it comes from a Romanian authority, but I guess there's no harm in trying. NagatoUz ( talk) 04:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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He converted to Islam 2409:40C0:50:1E82:F45B:2F5A:529B:FAD5 ( talk) 11:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Before: Tate was raised Christian, and later became an atheist.
After: Tate was raised Christian, and later became an atheist and converted to Islam December of 2022
I would recommend for you change that as it is not up to date. -.xZukø- ( talk) 13:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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I’d like to add 2 more wins in record with proof. And more info that is currently not added yet. 92.99.113.170 ( talk) 00:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Re: first line: Emory Andrew Tate III (born 1 December 1986) is an American-British media personality, businessman, former professional kickboxer and social media influencer.
I can't find any references to Tate as a " media personality" (celebrity), only as a " social media personality" (internet celebrity), the two being distinctly different. From a quick news search all RS references appear for social media personality. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
Unless sources can be found referring to Tate as a media personality / celebrity, I suggest the following:
Emory Andrew Tate III (born 1 December 1986) is an American-British social media personality, businessman and former professional kickboxer
Likewise there are no sources for this in the article. I'm aware it's a very small change, it's more about where the wikilink takes you, and don't want to edit war over modifying the first line, this being quite a dramatic change arguably. @ User:Partofthemachine
PS - Ignore comment on "businessman" references, was searching wrong, clearly there is enough about his businesses in the article. CommunityNotesContributor ( talk) 15:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Also he won 2 fights before the first one in his wiki AliM7mdd ( talk) 15:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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I know his real record verified by many organizations I deal with ima kickboxer myself. AliM7mdd ( talk) 15:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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Andrew Tate converted to Islam
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[ [10]] AliM7mdd ( talk) 16:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question. An article for Andrew's brother - Tristan - does not exist, and the URL for his Wikipedia article simply redirects to Andrew's page. Arguably, Tristan is also quite popular/notable, because nearly everyone who knows Andrew also knows him as well. For example, nearly all of his podcasts feature his brother - who also speaks his opinions. There is a lot of content and external sources that could be used to formulate an article for Tristan, so I believe that he fits the notability requirements for a Wikipedia article very well. So, I would be keen to write a separate article about Tristan, rather than the URL for his page ( /info/en/?search=Tristan_Tate) simply redirecting to Andrew's article. Thanks. Styx276 ( talk) 02:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Really long run on sentence that's somewhat unintelligible in the lead. I'd fix but idk what it's trying to say toobigtokale ( talk) 09:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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CommunityNotesContributor, DFlhb and Mr vili I will be reviewing this article. 750h+ ( talk) 00:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material.per MOS:LEADCITE. Can remove the rest if you think it's necessary though. CommunityNotesContributor ( talk) 13:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Passing the random source integrity check. 750h+ ( talk) 02:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The article is well-written, sourced, and illustrated. We did have to come to some compromises, however it is overall good. Congratulations CommunityNotesContributor and DFlhb, for bringing this article to such high quality. After you address the final minor flaws, I will check over the article and promote it to GA. If I'm correct, you can receive the Million Award. 750h+ ( talk) 14:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
This is clearly a direct translation of the Romanian control judiciar, but it’s kind of meaningless in English. We should find a suitable equivalent. Maybe “court supervision”? There’s some discussion here. — Biruitorul Talk 09:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
With the content in the article:
According to the Anti-Defamation League, Tate posted the following lesson to his TikTok account, for the appropriate response if a man is accused of cheating: It's bang out the machete, boom in her face, you grip her up by the neck, 'WHAT’S UP BITCH'...you go fuck her. That’s how it goes, you go slap, slap, grab, choke, 'shut up bitch,' sex
It's out of context and inaccurate, a full context video states what Tate would do if a woman threatens him with a Machete while accusing him of cheating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vYk0Qp1hX4 Mr Vili talk 06:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Regarding changes per
MOS:OPENPARABIO: The opening paragraph of a biographical article should neutrally describe the person, provide context, establish notability and explain why the person is notable, and reflect the balance of reliable sources.
and
MOS:OPEN: The first paragraph should define or identify the topic with a neutral point of view, but without being too specific.
Naturally, the
MOS:FIRST sentence does nothing to achieve this as an opening paragraph.
Hopefully we can all agree where the bulk of reliable sources comes from, it's undoubtedly regarding his social media presence, it's certainly not to do with his kickboxing career, Big Brother, or his online ventures, which gain passing mentions. The balance/difficulty here is being about to include his notability in a neutral manner, which is easier said than done, and should be achieved rather than abandoned.
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His contentious commentary has resulted in expulsions from various social media platforms and concern from advocacy groups, parents, teachers, and counter-terrorism police. Surveys of British people have found that most respondents are aware of Tate, whose views are influential and popular mostly among young males.
His controversial commentary has resulted in his expulsions from various social media platforms and concern that he is encouraging misogynistic views among young men.
My concern with the change to the second sentence is POV and being too specific, hence the previous sentence was more vague and neutral (though could be better summarised). Likewise, the third sentence, helps provide the context of his notability. @ Hemiauchenia in your edit you said "Tate is known worldwide, so it makes little sense to mention the UK exclusively here" [19], do you have a reliable source for this claim, or is this OR?
The context in that sentence he is British, and most British people have heard of him, as well as his influence. I haven't seen any surveys in other countries of his notability or influence, only UK based studies (that's half the section of Reception), so seems highly relevant for establishing notability in a neutral manner. Overall, I highly doubt he is very well known outside of the UK and US, and even in US I wouldn't be surprised to hear that most people have never heard of him, based on my research when creating the reception section.
I thought I'd bring this discussion to the talk page, as while I could of simply reverted your edits, given that reducing an OPEN to a FIRST is never an improvement, good faith edits are usually best discussed. CommunityNotesContributor ( talk) 11:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
His contentious commentary has resulted in ... concern from advocacy groups, parents, teachers, and counter-terrorism police.is negative in a vague way that WP:BLP tells us to avoid. Reading the sources, it's pretty obvious the concern is primarily about misogyny, and that should be reflected in the lead. I would be fine with modifying the sentence to mention encouraging violence and sexual assault against women if the sources support that. I also don't object to you moving the sentence up into the opening paragraph. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Tate later used his audience from his online courses to propel himself to fame as an internet celebrity promoting a masculine, luxurious lifestyle.
Tate gained notoriety on social media for promoting a "hyper-masculine, ultra-luxurious lifestyle".which is cited to this BBC article [20]. The use of online courses refers to this part of the body
Tate became highly prominent in 2022 by encouraging members of Hustler's University to post large numbers of videos of him to social media platforms in an effort to maximise engagementcited to this article in The Guardian [21] (full disclosure: I wrote this part of the body). I would be okay with "prominence" "widespread attention" etc if that's a better alternative. It's obvious looking at google trends he went from relatively unknown to well-known in 2022 [22], when he started to receive significant coverage by media publications, which is what I was getting at. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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He was educated at Lea Manor High School /info/en/?search=Lea_Manor_High_School (not Halyard as it currently states.) Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvcZaD8vQk @31min 56 sec 93.8.160.38 ( talk) 18:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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AliM7mdd ( talk) 17:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
His opponent Vincent has wiki add it
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Hello, I want to request a change of photo on the Tate page, due to it being taken in an unprofessional pose. MateoBuzan ( talk) 15:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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AliM7mdd ( talk) 07:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Add Miroslav wiki into his record it’s his 2nd last loss
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Add Miroslav Cingel wiki
It’s his second last loss
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