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Can someone who has a photoshop program combine the original and current logos of the series, in the same manner of .png that's been done in the Souls (series) article? Osh33m ( talk) 19:30, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
The only thing I added was a Characters section, why is it for that reason you found it necessary to add that it is original research and that more sources are necessary? Everything I wrote there is true. The character's fictional age, the number of protagonists, it's all true. I can't go through the trouble of finding sources because a lot of the information is in-game. But the information is there. Please remove the template messages. Osh33m ( talk) 14:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I have several issues with this, so I'll just cut to it: 1. The article states that the game is in development for PS4. There is no site anywhere that confirms this. No actual PS4 game has been announced (even if it probably is in development, but that's OR). 2. The game is sectioned as a main title. This isn't true. There are multiple sources that declare it as a spin-off, because it features the new protagonist. It will be canon, yes, but it won't be Yakuza 7. It will launch a new series that RGG Studios and Sega probably hope will be a successor to the current games, but so far it should be handled as a spin off. 3. The nature of the project seems unclear. THere seems to be the conception that they announced two games: Ryu ga Gotoku Online and Shin Ryu ga Gotoku. However, from the live presentation it seems that Shin Ryu ga Gotoku is actually an umbrella term for multiple upcoming projects, the first of which is Ryu ga Gotoku Online. Again, it is likely we will get a PS4 game down the line, but nothing has been announced, yet. And it got misquoted and mistranslated. There are only announcements for Ryu ga Gotoku Online which is part of the "New" Yakuza story (Shin Ryu ga Gotoku). Though admittedly, I don't have sources on that. MAybe someone knows japanese and can translate that part of the live event? Anyway here are the sources for the game being a Spin-off:
http://yakuzafan.com/kazuga-ichiban-new-protagonist-ryu-ga-gotoku-online-shin-ryu-ga-gotoku/
And for not being specifically being announced for PS4, yet:
http://segabits.com/blog/tag/shin-ryu-ga-gotoku/
http://www.dualshockers.com/yakuza-online-announced/
At least the PS4 remark should be changed. Also that the game is a spin-off. 2003:E0:6BE7:8411:809:6EAB:AB78:C5B9 ( talk) 21:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I think it's time we removed those warnings on the article. Those were only there because of the characters section that nobody wanted but since then there have been sources added to that section. Everything written there is backed up and verified. So if there are no objections, I'm moving those tags. Osh33m ( talk) 02:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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So, as per WP:NCVG: Use the most commonly accepted English name first, if one exists. This is usually the official title in the initial English release, but not always. Subtitles and pre-titles are allowed if deemed appropriate but are not necessary and pre-titles should be replaced once an official title has been announced. In the case of the Yakuza games, these are the official English titles and should be used in the list, since they are also used for the other sections in the article as well as the individual articles themselves. As a matter of fact, many of the individual articles use unofficial names, such as Yakuza Kenzan and therefore violate WP:NCVG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E0:6F4F:1E11:71F5:8B4F:E710:36B0 ( talk) 21:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources., and WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, where point #1, #2 and #4 apply to Kenzan and the others. I don't have a fight in that matter though. Osh33m ( talk) 20:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
While the table does look exceptionally large, that is because it includes ALL of the installments in the series, which is the reason it is as big as it is. The table includes all the spinoffs, remasters, remakes, and major installments to cover the vastness of the series itself, to keep track of how many installments there have been to date. That's what makes it necessary. The timeline is there as well to round things off with just major installments. If it is removed again, I'll refer the user to this section. Osh33m ( talk) 03:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
So apart from the same developer and game engine why is this considered a spin-off title they are not based on the same story or take place in the same universe or the same characters? and the article does no explanation on why this is considered a spin-off. thanks 64.251.72.74 ( talk) 23:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Dear All,
I am bringing this to wider attention as I have a life and a job so won't be able to tend much to preventing further vandalism by Cyberlink420.
User Cyberlink420 is trying to promote libel against SEGA and/or Yakuza development studio by pushing opinion piece articles claiming that a depiction of a drag queen character is trans-phobic.
If one were to think for themselves, one would realise you cannot be trans-phobic against a character that isn't trans-gender, much like you can't be a racist towards a character which is a straight, white, male.
So please do keep in mind and watch out for further edits by what appears to be promoter of malicious content (a.k.a. vandalism) by Cyberlink420.
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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 ( talk) 11:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Yakuza (series) → Yakuza (franchise) – Per the naming convention guidelines in WP:NCVG#Media franchise. It is undisputable that this is a franchise, which consists of far more then just a main series of numbered video games, as there are several ancillary spin-offs that share certain themes. It also spawned book, film, radio drama, web series, tv series and stage play adaptations. Haleth ( talk) 03:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move for the primary move request of this article, but move for the secondary request of Like a Dragon → Like a Dragon (film) and then change "Like a Dragon" to a redirect to this article. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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Like a Dragon the phrase "Like a Dragon" primarily refers to the franchise regardless of the title of the franchise article being changed. Seems the motivator behind this move request is a recent announcement (or two) that the franchise is having its name changed from "Yakuza" to "Like a Dragon". (I personally have no opinion in the matter.)
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So with the announcement of the three new titles, it appears Sega is now fully rebranding the series to "Like a Dragon" in the west. Should the article be moved accordingly, or left where it is? -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 12:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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I added sections in the table under "Games" for Yakuza 3/4/5 remastered. I don't know how to color the tables to mark them as remakes. I put [style="background:#aaf;"] by the text in the chart. However, the background is still white. Please help/advise. Ike8omb ( talk) 07:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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We already had 4 entries using the title.
Yakuza: Like A Dragon, Like a Dragon Ishin, Like A Dragon: Man who erased his name and Like a Dragon: infinite wealth. "Yakuza" is officially a dead title in SEGA's catalog, and there's a likely change that future remasters, if any, will drop the title as well.
Agree or Disagree with the move to "Like a Dragon" for the article? Samalik16 ( talk) 23:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that Yukuza remains as the common name of the subject. – robertsky ( talk) 11:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Yakuza (franchise) → Like a Dragon – The original move request was denied mainly for it being too soon to tell if Like a Dragon would stick as the WP:COMMONNAME for what was formerly called the Yakuza series, and for WP:CRYSTALBALLing the name change for the franchise when no new titles had as of that point been released under the Like a Dragon name, with several in the last discussion citing either a period of 6-12 months or until the release of Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth for the move request to be re-evaluated. Now, however, both of those milestones have been hit, and there are now three titles released under the Like a Dragon moniker ( Like a Dragon: Ishin!, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name, and importantly, Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth, the first mainline entry in the series to use the new name). Given that this name change has now been used for multiple titles in the series and widely adopted, Like a Dragon has become the new WP:COMMONNAME for the series, meaning the title of the article should change as well.
Also, pinging Samalik16 and kindly thanking them for being the one to suggest this. IAmACowWhoIsMad ( talk) 07:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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Calling it Yakuza now is like calling Final Fantasy 6 as "Final Fantasy 3"..." Umm, no, and nice red herring. What you meant to say was "Calling it Yakuza now is like calling Dragon Quest as " Dragon Warrior"...", but no, the Yakuza/Like a Dragon series is not at this point yet. In addition, you are referring to a name change of the game after it was released ... which is not the case for the 8/9 Yakuza titles since they are still called "Yakuza" with no known plans to officially change all their names to "Like a Dragon". Steel1943 ( talk) 21:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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Can someone who has a photoshop program combine the original and current logos of the series, in the same manner of .png that's been done in the Souls (series) article? Osh33m ( talk) 19:30, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
The only thing I added was a Characters section, why is it for that reason you found it necessary to add that it is original research and that more sources are necessary? Everything I wrote there is true. The character's fictional age, the number of protagonists, it's all true. I can't go through the trouble of finding sources because a lot of the information is in-game. But the information is there. Please remove the template messages. Osh33m ( talk) 14:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I have several issues with this, so I'll just cut to it: 1. The article states that the game is in development for PS4. There is no site anywhere that confirms this. No actual PS4 game has been announced (even if it probably is in development, but that's OR). 2. The game is sectioned as a main title. This isn't true. There are multiple sources that declare it as a spin-off, because it features the new protagonist. It will be canon, yes, but it won't be Yakuza 7. It will launch a new series that RGG Studios and Sega probably hope will be a successor to the current games, but so far it should be handled as a spin off. 3. The nature of the project seems unclear. THere seems to be the conception that they announced two games: Ryu ga Gotoku Online and Shin Ryu ga Gotoku. However, from the live presentation it seems that Shin Ryu ga Gotoku is actually an umbrella term for multiple upcoming projects, the first of which is Ryu ga Gotoku Online. Again, it is likely we will get a PS4 game down the line, but nothing has been announced, yet. And it got misquoted and mistranslated. There are only announcements for Ryu ga Gotoku Online which is part of the "New" Yakuza story (Shin Ryu ga Gotoku). Though admittedly, I don't have sources on that. MAybe someone knows japanese and can translate that part of the live event? Anyway here are the sources for the game being a Spin-off:
http://yakuzafan.com/kazuga-ichiban-new-protagonist-ryu-ga-gotoku-online-shin-ryu-ga-gotoku/
And for not being specifically being announced for PS4, yet:
http://segabits.com/blog/tag/shin-ryu-ga-gotoku/
http://www.dualshockers.com/yakuza-online-announced/
At least the PS4 remark should be changed. Also that the game is a spin-off. 2003:E0:6BE7:8411:809:6EAB:AB78:C5B9 ( talk) 21:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I think it's time we removed those warnings on the article. Those were only there because of the characters section that nobody wanted but since then there have been sources added to that section. Everything written there is backed up and verified. So if there are no objections, I'm moving those tags. Osh33m ( talk) 02:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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So, as per WP:NCVG: Use the most commonly accepted English name first, if one exists. This is usually the official title in the initial English release, but not always. Subtitles and pre-titles are allowed if deemed appropriate but are not necessary and pre-titles should be replaced once an official title has been announced. In the case of the Yakuza games, these are the official English titles and should be used in the list, since they are also used for the other sections in the article as well as the individual articles themselves. As a matter of fact, many of the individual articles use unofficial names, such as Yakuza Kenzan and therefore violate WP:NCVG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E0:6F4F:1E11:71F5:8B4F:E710:36B0 ( talk) 21:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources., and WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, where point #1, #2 and #4 apply to Kenzan and the others. I don't have a fight in that matter though. Osh33m ( talk) 20:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
While the table does look exceptionally large, that is because it includes ALL of the installments in the series, which is the reason it is as big as it is. The table includes all the spinoffs, remasters, remakes, and major installments to cover the vastness of the series itself, to keep track of how many installments there have been to date. That's what makes it necessary. The timeline is there as well to round things off with just major installments. If it is removed again, I'll refer the user to this section. Osh33m ( talk) 03:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
So apart from the same developer and game engine why is this considered a spin-off title they are not based on the same story or take place in the same universe or the same characters? and the article does no explanation on why this is considered a spin-off. thanks 64.251.72.74 ( talk) 23:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Dear All,
I am bringing this to wider attention as I have a life and a job so won't be able to tend much to preventing further vandalism by Cyberlink420.
User Cyberlink420 is trying to promote libel against SEGA and/or Yakuza development studio by pushing opinion piece articles claiming that a depiction of a drag queen character is trans-phobic.
If one were to think for themselves, one would realise you cannot be trans-phobic against a character that isn't trans-gender, much like you can't be a racist towards a character which is a straight, white, male.
So please do keep in mind and watch out for further edits by what appears to be promoter of malicious content (a.k.a. vandalism) by Cyberlink420.
Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.215.55.209 ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 ( talk) 11:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Yakuza (series) → Yakuza (franchise) – Per the naming convention guidelines in WP:NCVG#Media franchise. It is undisputable that this is a franchise, which consists of far more then just a main series of numbered video games, as there are several ancillary spin-offs that share certain themes. It also spawned book, film, radio drama, web series, tv series and stage play adaptations. Haleth ( talk) 03:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move for the primary move request of this article, but move for the secondary request of Like a Dragon → Like a Dragon (film) and then change "Like a Dragon" to a redirect to this article. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
– In this section, there has been about a week of discussion already to determine if
Yakuza (franchise) should be renamed to either
Like a Dragon or
Like a Dragon (franchise), with the additional move of the article
Like a Dragon to
Like a Dragon (film) only applying if
Yakuza (franchise) is moved to
Like a Dragon the phrase "Like a Dragon" primarily refers to the franchise regardless of the title of the franchise article being changed. Seems the motivator behind this move request is a recent announcement (or two) that the franchise is having its name changed from "Yakuza" to "Like a Dragon". (I personally have no opinion in the matter.)
Steel1943 (
talk) 19:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.
Steel1943 (
talk) 19:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
So with the announcement of the three new titles, it appears Sega is now fully rebranding the series to "Like a Dragon" in the west. Should the article be moved accordingly, or left where it is? -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 12:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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I added sections in the table under "Games" for Yakuza 3/4/5 remastered. I don't know how to color the tables to mark them as remakes. I put [style="background:#aaf;"] by the text in the chart. However, the background is still white. Please help/advise. Ike8omb ( talk) 07:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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— Assignment last updated by DqHx ( talk) 23:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
We already had 4 entries using the title.
Yakuza: Like A Dragon, Like a Dragon Ishin, Like A Dragon: Man who erased his name and Like a Dragon: infinite wealth. "Yakuza" is officially a dead title in SEGA's catalog, and there's a likely change that future remasters, if any, will drop the title as well.
Agree or Disagree with the move to "Like a Dragon" for the article? Samalik16 ( talk) 23:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that Yukuza remains as the common name of the subject. – robertsky ( talk) 11:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Yakuza (franchise) → Like a Dragon – The original move request was denied mainly for it being too soon to tell if Like a Dragon would stick as the WP:COMMONNAME for what was formerly called the Yakuza series, and for WP:CRYSTALBALLing the name change for the franchise when no new titles had as of that point been released under the Like a Dragon name, with several in the last discussion citing either a period of 6-12 months or until the release of Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth for the move request to be re-evaluated. Now, however, both of those milestones have been hit, and there are now three titles released under the Like a Dragon moniker ( Like a Dragon: Ishin!, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name, and importantly, Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth, the first mainline entry in the series to use the new name). Given that this name change has now been used for multiple titles in the series and widely adopted, Like a Dragon has become the new WP:COMMONNAME for the series, meaning the title of the article should change as well.
Also, pinging Samalik16 and kindly thanking them for being the one to suggest this. IAmACowWhoIsMad ( talk) 07:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Sources describing Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
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Calling it Yakuza now is like calling Final Fantasy 6 as "Final Fantasy 3"..." Umm, no, and nice red herring. What you meant to say was "Calling it Yakuza now is like calling Dragon Quest as " Dragon Warrior"...", but no, the Yakuza/Like a Dragon series is not at this point yet. In addition, you are referring to a name change of the game after it was released ... which is not the case for the 8/9 Yakuza titles since they are still called "Yakuza" with no known plans to officially change all their names to "Like a Dragon". Steel1943 ( talk) 21:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)