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These two refs have been cited regarding Bharat.
Narayan states and I quote
Bharat.....which lay between Udicya (north) and Pracya (east)
while Singh says and I quote
Bharatvarsha here probably means kings of northern India
Refs nowhere mentions Gangetic plains. LearnIndology ( talk) 14:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Consider moving the last photo of "girls playing hopscotch" one (or two?) paragraph above, so that the India-Asia portal in See also would not spill into Notes and that the Notes would be rendered in full width. -- DaxServer ( talk) 08:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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India lies to the north of the equator between 8° 4' and 37° 6′ north latitude. This information is correct and is given in NCERT Book. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 09:40, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
What's not clear now? Nishānt Omm ( talk) 10:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Is my information confirmed? Please reply. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 10:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
India is a vast country. Lying entirely in the Northern hemisphere the main land extends between latitudes 8°4'N and 37°6'N. Source: ncert.nic.in Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
This information is also available in 'Geography of India' Wikipedia page. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
So basically you are saying that NCERT Book is wrong. If it's wrong, correct the Wikipedia page of 'Geography of India'. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Another thing Indira point (Southernmost point of Indian Union) is submerged under sea water in 2004 during Tsunami 🌊. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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116.204.148.56 ( talk) 14:12, 26 July 2021 (UTC) India's national animal is only Tiger species. Bengal Tigers are sub species of Tiger. www.india.gov.in has the Indian national symbols' list. Also the given reference says that only Tiger is India's national animal.
I've removed a lot of images from the page. I'm not familiar with the subject matter, so if I have removed something that is crucial for contextualising content, restore it, but something else will have to go. I visited this page on a mobile view and it borders on completely broken—unreadable, with images overlapping text, extending beyond acceptable boundaries. As a featured article, strict MOS adherence is required: it violates MOS:SANDWICH quite egregiously, in some of the worst states I've ever seen. — ImaginesTigers ( talk∙ contribs) 17:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
And how will the Keystone Kops with no knowledge of India be proceeding? As for images, that is an easy fix. It can be changed to the gallery format as in my last FAR Political history of Mysore and Coorg etc Art FAs are chock full of galleries. Someone has already changed a few on this page to galleries. All can be so converted. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
I've been talking about an FAR longer than anyone else. The last FAR was proposed by me. I am certainly not asking that you disengage, only that you disengage in fruitless pursuits. There are many sections that need work. I've been asking editors for the last six months to help out, but mostly to little avail. When editors do respond constructively, such as EMSmiles has on climate change, I respond with uniform encouragement. Writing about India is not for the faint-hearted, and any sincere attempt should be encouraged. There are several sections @ ImaginesTigers:, that are in great need for improvement. One such is India#Demographics,_languages,_and_religion section; another is India#Socio-economic_challenges. How would you like to improve them? But what is the good of waving rules and regulations at seasoned India-hands such as RegentsPark or I? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Agree that FAR should be a future thing. We're having repeated content disputes, and FAR isn't an ideal way to solve them (see the discussion on the British empire). I think, in terms of images, a set of proposals (either via slow but bold editing, or on talk), needs to be made, and if we cannot agree, an RfC should be launched. F&f: you are very knowledgeable about which images are more important. I know you don't want to remove images, but I was wondering if you could state which ones are least important in your view. The 'Early modern India' could be a good starting point, as this is the least ambiguous violation image policy (violating MOS:ACCIM, with sandwiching present on my multiple devices.). Unrelated, but I will work on improving the economy section . FemkeMilene ( talk) 16:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
may not be circumvented, so stark choices to demote some of the images to the major subarticles will have to be made.
...and now Fowler has reverted again, to a revision of the article where the images are sandwiched together and too small to read at the size they're displayed at. I can't agree that purpose of images in this article include "giv[ing] a sense of the staggering accomplishment" of the Mughal empire or showing the view that some emperor "saw from his jail cell in his last days". The ONLY purpose of images is to enhance the reader's understanding of the topic—India. If the images are too small to see or they don't give equal or greater encyclopedic value than the amount of text that would fit in the space, they aren't contributing sufficiently to reader understanding. ( t · c) buidhe 21:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Would you link the relevant discussion(s) for me? Sorry, fairly new to this article's history. — ImaginesTigers ( talk∙ contribs) 02:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the image File:Indian curry with dosa.jpg is not of dosa at all. It is naan, a Muslim-influenced bread of India, served at ガネーシャ・ガル 代沢店 (see the Flickr picture) the Ganesha Ghar Daizawa in Tokyo, Japan. The curry, most likely, is halaal lamb or goat. Here is another picture of their naan; here one of a salad unlike any other eaten in India. There is also the picture of chicken, shrimp, and scallop from the tandoor. It is hardly likely that those universally represent Indian cuisine, especially not the shellfish at that price. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 03:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)>>> "Adding the pork ( see here) and chicken ( see here) dishes is just provocative honestly and instead of being contentious in this debate lets just use common sense and completely do away with the cuisine images altogether and follow what other articles in the other languages do in the cuisine section which is File:Indian curry with dosa.jpg or File:Spices in an Indian market.jpg or the old File:Indian Spices.jpg. These images universally represent Indian cuisine as everyone is aware of bread with curry or spices make the curry. So please consider this point."<<<
I'm sorry every Indian is not a vegetarian Maharajah. (The picture of a Jaipur thali, in any case, is copyrighted.) A much more representative picture is File:Indian Kitchens Outdoor and Indoor, Rajasthan and Karnataka.jpg, which used to be on the page. Pork by the way is eaten by Dalits and Tribals who constitute 1/4 of India's population. I'm sorry but this is as far as I go in humoring you.
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India's GDP per capita as for 2021 in US$ 2100, the article needs to reflect that. Arunhegde12 ( talk) 19:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC) https://statisticstimes.com/economy/country/india-gdp-per-capita.php https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=IN
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Remove "and the most populous democracy in the world" in the first sentence of the page. Needlessly divisive and has no real benefit. Systems of government in India are described elsewhere in the article. The only thing that this serves is asserting that India has more Democracy Points than China, which, sure, fine, that's an argument that can be made, but the place to do it really isn't the first sentence of an article about India. MxMorgan ( talk) 18:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
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"Their long occupation, initially in varying forms of isolation as hunter-gatherers, has made the region highly diverse, second only to Africa in human genetic diversity."
I'm new to editing wikis--but phrasing could be improved: specifically "long occupation" and "forms of isolation" are difficult to read. And I'm not sure it's strictly accurate just taking from the referenced material
Dyson, Tim (2018), A Population History of India: From the First Modern People to the Present Day, Oxford University Press, p. 28, ISBN 978-0-19-882905-8.
Will give more attention as soon as possible but just wanted to throw this in the pile. Ethaerist ( talk) 09:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
By 400 BCE, stratification and exclusion by caste had emerged within Hinduism,[30] and Buddhism and Jainism had arisen, proclaiming social orders unlinked to heredity.[31] Early political consolidations gave rise to the loose-knit Maurya and Gupta Empires based in the Ganges Basin.[32] Their collective era was suffused with wide-ranging creativity,[33] but also marked by the declining status of women,[34] and the incorporation of untouchability into an organised system of belief.
can we remove this line this isnt supported by any major source . Only signs of a varna system are found and there is no difference between brahmana and sramana traditions varna exist in buddhism and jainism as well
The earliest known explicit use of the term śramaṇa is found in section 2.7 of the Taittiriya Aranyaka, a layer within the Yajurveda (~1000 BCE, a scripture of Hinduism). It mentions śramaṇa Rishis and celibate Rishis.
Patrick Olivelle, a professor of Indology and known for his translations of major ancient Sanskrit works, states in his 1993 study that contrary to some representations, the original Śramaṇa tradition was a part of the Vedic one. He writes,
Sramana in that context obviously means a person who is in the habit of performing srama. Far from separating these seers from the vedic ritual tradition, therefore, śramaṇa places them right at the center of that tradition. Those who see them [Sramana seers] as non-Brahmanical, anti-Brahmanical, or even non-Aryan precursors of later sectarian ascetics are drawing conclusions that far outstrip the available evidence.
— Patrick Olivelle, The Ashrama System https://books.google.co.in/books?id=RYkPtXiXRYcC&redir_esc=y ISBN 978-0-19-534478-3 these links show that jainism and buddhism didnt reject social orders and caste system didnt exist before the gupta era. https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has-left-its-mark-on-indians-genomes/— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
In the History section and in the lead, there appears to be no mention of North-east India or the islands, and no mention of the four wars India has fought since independence. The lead fails to mention the World War involvements entirely. No mention of the annexations of Sikkim, Junagadh and Hyderabad by the modern state either. The adivasis are seemingly invisible.
I might start editing and copyediting tomorrow. Just thought I'd put these out so others can help if they have sources. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI talk | fings wot i hav dun 07:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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I wish to change the name of the country in the native language(i.e., Hindi) to the original Devanagri text of the language. Proposed edit: "Bharatiya Ganarajya" to "भारतीय गणराज्य". SSG123 ( talk) 15:05, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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Images are not following the basics as seen at other articles as per MOS:IMAGESIZE or MOS:IMAGELOCATION.-- 204.237.3.51 ( talk) 17:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that more cultural information should be added about Northeast India and that too, in an unbiased way. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 00:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Though most people say cricket is most popular in Maharashtra but over the past decade, football has grown its presence in Maharashtra and has since became equally popular as cricket in Maharashtra. I would thus request Maharashtra to the list of footballing states in sports section along with other fellow footballing states. Maharashtra also hosts Mumbai FC in ISL. Though we don't see much fan base of this club as there are numerous small clubs who have created their own clubs and compete in local tournaments arranged throughout the city limits and beyond. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 00:46, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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IN INDIA MAP - KASHMIR PART SHOULD BE FULLY DARK GREEN- I.E. FULLY CONTROLLED AND CLAIMED BY INDIA. 2405:201:E:2131:FD9F:ECBB:CDE2:F4F1 ( talk) 14:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, just a suggestion, the majority of country articles have a section for science and technology, one could be created added for India.
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India, officially the Hindu Republic of India Miteshode88 ( talk) 11:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Allow me to edit some errors
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In regional language there is language missing bhojpuri please add this 2409:4042:78F:9530:0:0:EA2:60B1 ( talk) 09:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Remove Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya its not Hindi its a different language 71.254.10.164 ( talk) 22:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
It is the only ATP level Tennis Championship of south asia. In the culture section it is mentioned as Chennai Open because it was held in Chennai prior 2016 but it is moved to Pune and now it is known as Maharashtra Open. I suggest to change Chennai Open to Maharashtra Open, it is its right name. Newton Euro ( talk) 14:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Do we have a consensus on which ISOs to be added? What was the outcome of the discussion around the opening sentence? The last discussion I see was about 2 years ago, Talk:India/Archive 45#"Also known as" the Republic of India? and Talk:India/Archive 45#Official(ly) named — DaxServer ( talk to me) 14:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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I edited this because I'm from India and I love india and I have to changes 5 things pls
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X = India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia. Change it to Y = India or Bharat, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.
Reason = Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution, see
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This is a discussion for changing the first line of article, from (India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.)this to (India or Bharat, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.)this, reason is "Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution, see this for reference". Pyaarkarona ( talk) 09:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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"India" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
i have another idea, why dont we put the same language in the article as per indian constitution, like we can replace "India, officially the Republic of India" with " India, that is Bharat, officially the Republic of India". what do you think Fowler&fowler, does this satisfys your "interpretation" thing as we are writing same thing as per constitution so i think interpretation is not required anymore, what do you think?? Pyaarkarona ( talk) 16:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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India also share boundaries with afganistan.it is not mentioned in 1st paragraph 2405:204:5308:104A:767F:C618:AAFD:CF64 ( talk) 11:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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Just I mentioned above, the images in this article's sub-sect are outdated and do not represent present India. These images are looking like 40 to 50 years old. India is diverse country but most the images are from North India, why there no images from South, West, East and North East India. Why all these images are from socially & economically backward areas and of poor peoples. I suggest fellow editor to add which represent true, current India not old India beacuse this article isn't abt history of this nation. Newton Euro ( talk) 04:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
About ISL And other stuff 2409:4052:240B:64B6:0:0:23D9:8AD ( talk) 09:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
I have been reading the detailed Wikipedia article of India which mentions India bordered by Pakistan, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar & Bangladesh however, India officially claims to also have a 106km border with Afghanistan. Though the region where the Afghan border is currently is under Pakistani administration, India has always claimed to have a short border with Afghanistan as it claims the entirety of Jammu & Kashmir and as a result, every single map produced in India (including Google Maps) that its 1.3 Billion citizens use shows a clear Indo-Afghan border. This is important not only since India has one-sixth of the World's people, but also because many of us students studying High School Geography refer to the Wikipedia article for India (including for the Indian Civil Service Exams) and quite a few of my friends didn't realise that India also officially has a 106km border with Afghanistan. Hence, I firmly believe that adding just 1 phrase "In addition, India officially also claims a 106km border with Afghanistan." after discussing the rest of India's bordering countries will remove any confusion for everyone wondering about India's bordering neighbours as per India's official maps. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:6B6B:880C:0:4C67:AF1B:6796:1757 ( talk) 20:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
User:Fowler&fowler I have reverted you edit and have removed the image. I think the image is more appropriate for Mid-Day Meal Scheme than education because that's what is the image is about. And 'Jai Bhim' is often used by political parties and groups to entice Dalits. Don't we have something better? Akshaypatill ( talk) 04:02, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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I want to suggest an edit to the following text from the "Foreign, economic and strategic relations" section.
Current text:
After inlly cordial relations with neighbouring China, India went to war with China in 1962, and was widely thought to have been humiliated. India has had tense relations with neighbouring Pakistan; the two nations have gone to war four times: in 1947, 1965, 1971, and 1999. Three of these wars were fought over the disputed territory of Kashmir, while the fourth, the 1971 war, followed from India's support for the independence of Bangladesh.
Suggested text:
After initially cordial relations with neighbouring China, India went to war with China in 1962, and was widely thought to have been humiliated. India has had tense relations with neighbouring Pakistan; the two nations have gone to war four times: in 1947, 1965, 1971, and 1999. Three of these wars were fought over the disputed territory of Kashmir, while the fourth, the 1971 war, followed from India's support for the independence of Bangladesh. Each of these wars ended either in stalemate or Indian victory.
Rationale for suggested edit:
All the Wikipedia pages of these wars either mention an outright Indian victory or conclude that the war ended with India having the upper hand. I think that a line talking about these results should be added as one talking about the result of the 1962 war (with China) is already there.
User:Fowler&fowler What do you think about this?
Update Global Innovation Index ranking for 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathularog ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Regards Lone Warrior 007 ( talk) 18:34, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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Suggest edits to the following extract:
"British Crown rule began in 1858. The rights promised to Indians were granted slowly,[45] but technological changes were introduced, and ideas of education, modernity and the public life took root.[46] A pioneering and influential nationalist movement emerged, which was noted for nonviolent resistance and became the major factor in ending British rule"
To be changed to:
"British Crown rule began in 1858. A pioneering and influential nationalist movement emerged which lead to the British Crown rule conceding rights to the Indians slowly. The movement was noted for its nonviolent resistance and became the major factor in ending British rule" Alindchopra ( talk) 19:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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<ref name=roger-cambridge-2000>{{citation|last=Roger|first=Delphine |editor=Kiple, Kenneth F. |editor2=Ornelas, Kriemhild Coneè |title=The Cambridge World History of Food|chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Vr2qnK_QOuAC&pg=PA1140|volume=2|year=2000|publisher=[[Cambridge University Press]]|location=Cambridge and New York|isbn=978-0-521-40215-6|pages=1140–1150|chapter=The Middle East and South Asia (in Chapter: History and Culture of Food and Drink in Asia)}}</ref><ref name=sen-colleen-p13/>
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I strongly recommend a fresh assessment is required to article, to save it from delisting of FA in future.
Fixing the huge accessibility problem should be the main concern. Moxy- 20:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree that two sections: Food and Dress are long. Since I wrote them, I will reduce them. Dress, ... I mean Clothing will be easier; Food, i.e. Cuisine not so easy. But I'll try. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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<ref name="Rahman-Alkazi2002">{{citation |last=Alkazi |first=Roshen |editor=Rahman, Abdur |title=India's Interaction with China, Central and West Asia |chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=NZvpAAAAMAAJ |year=2002 |publisher=[[Oxford University Press]] |isbn=978-0-19-565789-0 |pages=464–484 |chapter=Evolution of Indian Costume as a result of the links between Central Asia and India in ancient and medieval times}}</ref>
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I linked to wikipages in links, I added author names, I added dates, I added access-dates, I corrected titles. Some sources weren't working, I replaced those with working sources. What I did is right.
In the format of sources, all these are required.
However, a user has reverted all my edits.
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Correcting: @ TrangaBellam: @ DaxServer: Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Added author name, which added an author-name. Nothing unusual about it. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
In other words, the Hyderabadi biryani is not indigenous, but a technique that was in the main introduced into India from regions to the northwest, from which different local styles evolved. Biryani is not just that of Hyderabad; there is also the Lucknow biryani, the Calcutta biryani, ..., there is even a Goa Fish Biryani. Indeed the reference [476], an article of Ashis Nandy states,"In the last millennium, the most significant import of cooking techniques into India occurred during the Mughal Empire. The cultivation of rice had spread much earlier from India to Central and West Asia; however, it was during Mughal rule that dishes, such as the pilaf,[468] developed in the interim during the Abbasid caliphate,[474] and cooking techniques such as the marinating of meat in yogurt, spread into northern India from regions to its northwest.[475] To the simple yogurt marinade of Persia, onions, garlic, almonds, and spices began to be added in India.[475] Rice grown to the southwest of the Mughal capital, Agra, which had become famous in the Islamic world for its fine grain, was partially cooked and layered alternately with the sauteed meat, the pot sealed tightly, and slow cooked according to another Persian cooking technique, to produce what has today become the Indian biryani,[475] a feature of festive dining in many parts of India.[476]"
We not only give a lengthy description of how biryani evolved, but we even have a picture of the Hyderabadi Chicken biryani. The UNESCO claim though is bogus as far as I can tell; and even if it is not, there is no reason to put it in. For as I've explained, India has 40 UNESCO world heritage sites and 13 other aspects of its culture inscribed in the List of Intangible Heritage of Humanity, 12 its very own and 1 (Nauroz) shared with other countries). Those indeed are UNESCO honors. So, how many will we be quoting in the article? 53? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Nandy: "(p. 11) Not merely ingredients came to the subcontinent, but also recipes. ... All around India one finds preparations that came originally from outside South Asia. Kebabs came from West and Central Asia and underwent radical metamorphosis in the hot and dusty plains of India. So did biryani and pulao, two rice preparations, usually with meat. Without them, ceremonial dining in many parts of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh is incomplete. Even the term pulao or pilav seems to have come from Arabic and Persian. It is true that in Sanskrit — in the Yajnavalkya Smriti — and in old Tamil, the term pulao occurs (Achaya, 1998b: 11), but it is also true that biryani and pulao today carry mainly the stamp of the Mughal times and its Persianized high culture."[6]
I am not opposed to the barest mention of Hyd. as a UNESCO city of gastronomy. But I oppose all mentions of Hyd. biryani etc. TrangaBellam ( talk) 21:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Omer123hussain: As I've explained above, the UNESCO Creative Cities Network is not an honor, only a recognition of intent, which is evaluated every four years for performance. It does not belong to the cuisine section of the India page. May I request that you not edit war on this page? I removed your edits because they are hard to understand and seem poorly sourced. Speaking of sourcing, I note that on the Hyderabad page's cuisine section, you have made a remarkable claim in an edit of October 2011, that Hyderabad's cuisine was influenced by the French. The source, however, on pages 89 and 90 says:
The sumptuous meat-based food of Lucknow, the state’s capital, is considered one of India’s great cuisines. After the disintegration of the Mughal Empire in the eighteenth century, the governors of this region, called Nawabs, set up an independent court at Awadh. They were famous for their love of luxury and their court was considered the ultimate in refinement in manners, clothing, arts, and cuisine. Eventually, this lifestyle trickled down to the local aristocrats and even the middle class. No expense or effort was spared on food. The Nawabs recruited the finest cooks from all over the subcontinent and paid them enormous salaries. These cooks were in demand all over India (like French chefs in the West today), and took their culinary skills to the courts at Hyderabad, Bhopal, and elsewhere.
In other words, not only is the content not about Hyderabad cuisine, it is not about the French either. It seems to have survived for ten years.
Omer123hussain, you are very welcome to propose your preferred sentence(s) here on the talk page.
Pinging @ RegentsPark: and also @ DrKay: as s/he seems to have edited the Hyderabad page. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
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India is a good country.
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Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | Archive 53 | Archive 54 | Archive 55 | → | Archive 58 |
These two refs have been cited regarding Bharat.
Narayan states and I quote
Bharat.....which lay between Udicya (north) and Pracya (east)
while Singh says and I quote
Bharatvarsha here probably means kings of northern India
Refs nowhere mentions Gangetic plains. LearnIndology ( talk) 14:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Consider moving the last photo of "girls playing hopscotch" one (or two?) paragraph above, so that the India-Asia portal in See also would not spill into Notes and that the Notes would be rendered in full width. -- DaxServer ( talk) 08:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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India lies to the north of the equator between 8° 4' and 37° 6′ north latitude. This information is correct and is given in NCERT Book. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 09:40, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
What's not clear now? Nishānt Omm ( talk) 10:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Is my information confirmed? Please reply. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 10:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
India is a vast country. Lying entirely in the Northern hemisphere the main land extends between latitudes 8°4'N and 37°6'N. Source: ncert.nic.in Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
This information is also available in 'Geography of India' Wikipedia page. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
So basically you are saying that NCERT Book is wrong. If it's wrong, correct the Wikipedia page of 'Geography of India'. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Another thing Indira point (Southernmost point of Indian Union) is submerged under sea water in 2004 during Tsunami 🌊. Nishānt Omm ( talk) 11:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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116.204.148.56 ( talk) 14:12, 26 July 2021 (UTC) India's national animal is only Tiger species. Bengal Tigers are sub species of Tiger. www.india.gov.in has the Indian national symbols' list. Also the given reference says that only Tiger is India's national animal.
I've removed a lot of images from the page. I'm not familiar with the subject matter, so if I have removed something that is crucial for contextualising content, restore it, but something else will have to go. I visited this page on a mobile view and it borders on completely broken—unreadable, with images overlapping text, extending beyond acceptable boundaries. As a featured article, strict MOS adherence is required: it violates MOS:SANDWICH quite egregiously, in some of the worst states I've ever seen. — ImaginesTigers ( talk∙ contribs) 17:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
And how will the Keystone Kops with no knowledge of India be proceeding? As for images, that is an easy fix. It can be changed to the gallery format as in my last FAR Political history of Mysore and Coorg etc Art FAs are chock full of galleries. Someone has already changed a few on this page to galleries. All can be so converted. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
I've been talking about an FAR longer than anyone else. The last FAR was proposed by me. I am certainly not asking that you disengage, only that you disengage in fruitless pursuits. There are many sections that need work. I've been asking editors for the last six months to help out, but mostly to little avail. When editors do respond constructively, such as EMSmiles has on climate change, I respond with uniform encouragement. Writing about India is not for the faint-hearted, and any sincere attempt should be encouraged. There are several sections @ ImaginesTigers:, that are in great need for improvement. One such is India#Demographics,_languages,_and_religion section; another is India#Socio-economic_challenges. How would you like to improve them? But what is the good of waving rules and regulations at seasoned India-hands such as RegentsPark or I? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Agree that FAR should be a future thing. We're having repeated content disputes, and FAR isn't an ideal way to solve them (see the discussion on the British empire). I think, in terms of images, a set of proposals (either via slow but bold editing, or on talk), needs to be made, and if we cannot agree, an RfC should be launched. F&f: you are very knowledgeable about which images are more important. I know you don't want to remove images, but I was wondering if you could state which ones are least important in your view. The 'Early modern India' could be a good starting point, as this is the least ambiguous violation image policy (violating MOS:ACCIM, with sandwiching present on my multiple devices.). Unrelated, but I will work on improving the economy section . FemkeMilene ( talk) 16:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
may not be circumvented, so stark choices to demote some of the images to the major subarticles will have to be made.
...and now Fowler has reverted again, to a revision of the article where the images are sandwiched together and too small to read at the size they're displayed at. I can't agree that purpose of images in this article include "giv[ing] a sense of the staggering accomplishment" of the Mughal empire or showing the view that some emperor "saw from his jail cell in his last days". The ONLY purpose of images is to enhance the reader's understanding of the topic—India. If the images are too small to see or they don't give equal or greater encyclopedic value than the amount of text that would fit in the space, they aren't contributing sufficiently to reader understanding. ( t · c) buidhe 21:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Would you link the relevant discussion(s) for me? Sorry, fairly new to this article's history. — ImaginesTigers ( talk∙ contribs) 02:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the image File:Indian curry with dosa.jpg is not of dosa at all. It is naan, a Muslim-influenced bread of India, served at ガネーシャ・ガル 代沢店 (see the Flickr picture) the Ganesha Ghar Daizawa in Tokyo, Japan. The curry, most likely, is halaal lamb or goat. Here is another picture of their naan; here one of a salad unlike any other eaten in India. There is also the picture of chicken, shrimp, and scallop from the tandoor. It is hardly likely that those universally represent Indian cuisine, especially not the shellfish at that price. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 03:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)>>> "Adding the pork ( see here) and chicken ( see here) dishes is just provocative honestly and instead of being contentious in this debate lets just use common sense and completely do away with the cuisine images altogether and follow what other articles in the other languages do in the cuisine section which is File:Indian curry with dosa.jpg or File:Spices in an Indian market.jpg or the old File:Indian Spices.jpg. These images universally represent Indian cuisine as everyone is aware of bread with curry or spices make the curry. So please consider this point."<<<
I'm sorry every Indian is not a vegetarian Maharajah. (The picture of a Jaipur thali, in any case, is copyrighted.) A much more representative picture is File:Indian Kitchens Outdoor and Indoor, Rajasthan and Karnataka.jpg, which used to be on the page. Pork by the way is eaten by Dalits and Tribals who constitute 1/4 of India's population. I'm sorry but this is as far as I go in humoring you.
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India's GDP per capita as for 2021 in US$ 2100, the article needs to reflect that. Arunhegde12 ( talk) 19:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC) https://statisticstimes.com/economy/country/india-gdp-per-capita.php https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=IN
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Remove "and the most populous democracy in the world" in the first sentence of the page. Needlessly divisive and has no real benefit. Systems of government in India are described elsewhere in the article. The only thing that this serves is asserting that India has more Democracy Points than China, which, sure, fine, that's an argument that can be made, but the place to do it really isn't the first sentence of an article about India. MxMorgan ( talk) 18:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
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"Their long occupation, initially in varying forms of isolation as hunter-gatherers, has made the region highly diverse, second only to Africa in human genetic diversity."
I'm new to editing wikis--but phrasing could be improved: specifically "long occupation" and "forms of isolation" are difficult to read. And I'm not sure it's strictly accurate just taking from the referenced material
Dyson, Tim (2018), A Population History of India: From the First Modern People to the Present Day, Oxford University Press, p. 28, ISBN 978-0-19-882905-8.
Will give more attention as soon as possible but just wanted to throw this in the pile. Ethaerist ( talk) 09:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
By 400 BCE, stratification and exclusion by caste had emerged within Hinduism,[30] and Buddhism and Jainism had arisen, proclaiming social orders unlinked to heredity.[31] Early political consolidations gave rise to the loose-knit Maurya and Gupta Empires based in the Ganges Basin.[32] Their collective era was suffused with wide-ranging creativity,[33] but also marked by the declining status of women,[34] and the incorporation of untouchability into an organised system of belief.
can we remove this line this isnt supported by any major source . Only signs of a varna system are found and there is no difference between brahmana and sramana traditions varna exist in buddhism and jainism as well
The earliest known explicit use of the term śramaṇa is found in section 2.7 of the Taittiriya Aranyaka, a layer within the Yajurveda (~1000 BCE, a scripture of Hinduism). It mentions śramaṇa Rishis and celibate Rishis.
Patrick Olivelle, a professor of Indology and known for his translations of major ancient Sanskrit works, states in his 1993 study that contrary to some representations, the original Śramaṇa tradition was a part of the Vedic one. He writes,
Sramana in that context obviously means a person who is in the habit of performing srama. Far from separating these seers from the vedic ritual tradition, therefore, śramaṇa places them right at the center of that tradition. Those who see them [Sramana seers] as non-Brahmanical, anti-Brahmanical, or even non-Aryan precursors of later sectarian ascetics are drawing conclusions that far outstrip the available evidence.
— Patrick Olivelle, The Ashrama System https://books.google.co.in/books?id=RYkPtXiXRYcC&redir_esc=y ISBN 978-0-19-534478-3 these links show that jainism and buddhism didnt reject social orders and caste system didnt exist before the gupta era. https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has-left-its-mark-on-indians-genomes/— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
In the History section and in the lead, there appears to be no mention of North-east India or the islands, and no mention of the four wars India has fought since independence. The lead fails to mention the World War involvements entirely. No mention of the annexations of Sikkim, Junagadh and Hyderabad by the modern state either. The adivasis are seemingly invisible.
I might start editing and copyediting tomorrow. Just thought I'd put these out so others can help if they have sources. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI talk | fings wot i hav dun 07:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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I wish to change the name of the country in the native language(i.e., Hindi) to the original Devanagri text of the language. Proposed edit: "Bharatiya Ganarajya" to "भारतीय गणराज्य". SSG123 ( talk) 15:05, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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Images are not following the basics as seen at other articles as per MOS:IMAGESIZE or MOS:IMAGELOCATION.-- 204.237.3.51 ( talk) 17:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that more cultural information should be added about Northeast India and that too, in an unbiased way. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 00:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Though most people say cricket is most popular in Maharashtra but over the past decade, football has grown its presence in Maharashtra and has since became equally popular as cricket in Maharashtra. I would thus request Maharashtra to the list of footballing states in sports section along with other fellow footballing states. Maharashtra also hosts Mumbai FC in ISL. Though we don't see much fan base of this club as there are numerous small clubs who have created their own clubs and compete in local tournaments arranged throughout the city limits and beyond. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 00:46, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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IN INDIA MAP - KASHMIR PART SHOULD BE FULLY DARK GREEN- I.E. FULLY CONTROLLED AND CLAIMED BY INDIA. 2405:201:E:2131:FD9F:ECBB:CDE2:F4F1 ( talk) 14:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, just a suggestion, the majority of country articles have a section for science and technology, one could be created added for India.
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India, officially the Hindu Republic of India Miteshode88 ( talk) 11:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Allow me to edit some errors
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In regional language there is language missing bhojpuri please add this 2409:4042:78F:9530:0:0:EA2:60B1 ( talk) 09:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Remove Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya its not Hindi its a different language 71.254.10.164 ( talk) 22:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
It is the only ATP level Tennis Championship of south asia. In the culture section it is mentioned as Chennai Open because it was held in Chennai prior 2016 but it is moved to Pune and now it is known as Maharashtra Open. I suggest to change Chennai Open to Maharashtra Open, it is its right name. Newton Euro ( talk) 14:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Do we have a consensus on which ISOs to be added? What was the outcome of the discussion around the opening sentence? The last discussion I see was about 2 years ago, Talk:India/Archive 45#"Also known as" the Republic of India? and Talk:India/Archive 45#Official(ly) named — DaxServer ( talk to me) 14:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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I edited this because I'm from India and I love india and I have to changes 5 things pls
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X = India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia. Change it to Y = India or Bharat, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.
Reason = Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution, see
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This is a discussion for changing the first line of article, from (India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.)this to (India or Bharat, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.)this, reason is "Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution, see this for reference". Pyaarkarona ( talk) 09:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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"India" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
i have another idea, why dont we put the same language in the article as per indian constitution, like we can replace "India, officially the Republic of India" with " India, that is Bharat, officially the Republic of India". what do you think Fowler&fowler, does this satisfys your "interpretation" thing as we are writing same thing as per constitution so i think interpretation is not required anymore, what do you think?? Pyaarkarona ( talk) 16:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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India also share boundaries with afganistan.it is not mentioned in 1st paragraph 2405:204:5308:104A:767F:C618:AAFD:CF64 ( talk) 11:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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Just I mentioned above, the images in this article's sub-sect are outdated and do not represent present India. These images are looking like 40 to 50 years old. India is diverse country but most the images are from North India, why there no images from South, West, East and North East India. Why all these images are from socially & economically backward areas and of poor peoples. I suggest fellow editor to add which represent true, current India not old India beacuse this article isn't abt history of this nation. Newton Euro ( talk) 04:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
About ISL And other stuff 2409:4052:240B:64B6:0:0:23D9:8AD ( talk) 09:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
I have been reading the detailed Wikipedia article of India which mentions India bordered by Pakistan, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar & Bangladesh however, India officially claims to also have a 106km border with Afghanistan. Though the region where the Afghan border is currently is under Pakistani administration, India has always claimed to have a short border with Afghanistan as it claims the entirety of Jammu & Kashmir and as a result, every single map produced in India (including Google Maps) that its 1.3 Billion citizens use shows a clear Indo-Afghan border. This is important not only since India has one-sixth of the World's people, but also because many of us students studying High School Geography refer to the Wikipedia article for India (including for the Indian Civil Service Exams) and quite a few of my friends didn't realise that India also officially has a 106km border with Afghanistan. Hence, I firmly believe that adding just 1 phrase "In addition, India officially also claims a 106km border with Afghanistan." after discussing the rest of India's bordering countries will remove any confusion for everyone wondering about India's bordering neighbours as per India's official maps. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:6B6B:880C:0:4C67:AF1B:6796:1757 ( talk) 20:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
User:Fowler&fowler I have reverted you edit and have removed the image. I think the image is more appropriate for Mid-Day Meal Scheme than education because that's what is the image is about. And 'Jai Bhim' is often used by political parties and groups to entice Dalits. Don't we have something better? Akshaypatill ( talk) 04:02, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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I want to suggest an edit to the following text from the "Foreign, economic and strategic relations" section.
Current text:
After inlly cordial relations with neighbouring China, India went to war with China in 1962, and was widely thought to have been humiliated. India has had tense relations with neighbouring Pakistan; the two nations have gone to war four times: in 1947, 1965, 1971, and 1999. Three of these wars were fought over the disputed territory of Kashmir, while the fourth, the 1971 war, followed from India's support for the independence of Bangladesh.
Suggested text:
After initially cordial relations with neighbouring China, India went to war with China in 1962, and was widely thought to have been humiliated. India has had tense relations with neighbouring Pakistan; the two nations have gone to war four times: in 1947, 1965, 1971, and 1999. Three of these wars were fought over the disputed territory of Kashmir, while the fourth, the 1971 war, followed from India's support for the independence of Bangladesh. Each of these wars ended either in stalemate or Indian victory.
Rationale for suggested edit:
All the Wikipedia pages of these wars either mention an outright Indian victory or conclude that the war ended with India having the upper hand. I think that a line talking about these results should be added as one talking about the result of the 1962 war (with China) is already there.
User:Fowler&fowler What do you think about this?
Update Global Innovation Index ranking for 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathularog ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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Suggest edits to the following extract:
"British Crown rule began in 1858. The rights promised to Indians were granted slowly,[45] but technological changes were introduced, and ideas of education, modernity and the public life took root.[46] A pioneering and influential nationalist movement emerged, which was noted for nonviolent resistance and became the major factor in ending British rule"
To be changed to:
"British Crown rule began in 1858. A pioneering and influential nationalist movement emerged which lead to the British Crown rule conceding rights to the Indians slowly. The movement was noted for its nonviolent resistance and became the major factor in ending British rule" Alindchopra ( talk) 19:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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<ref name=roger-cambridge-2000>{{citation|last=Roger|first=Delphine |editor=Kiple, Kenneth F. |editor2=Ornelas, Kriemhild Coneè |title=The Cambridge World History of Food|chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Vr2qnK_QOuAC&pg=PA1140|volume=2|year=2000|publisher=[[Cambridge University Press]]|location=Cambridge and New York|isbn=978-0-521-40215-6|pages=1140–1150|chapter=The Middle East and South Asia (in Chapter: History and Culture of Food and Drink in Asia)}}</ref><ref name=sen-colleen-p13/>
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I strongly recommend a fresh assessment is required to article, to save it from delisting of FA in future.
Fixing the huge accessibility problem should be the main concern. Moxy- 20:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree that two sections: Food and Dress are long. Since I wrote them, I will reduce them. Dress, ... I mean Clothing will be easier; Food, i.e. Cuisine not so easy. But I'll try. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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<ref name="Rahman-Alkazi2002">{{citation |last=Alkazi |first=Roshen |editor=Rahman, Abdur |title=India's Interaction with China, Central and West Asia |chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=NZvpAAAAMAAJ |year=2002 |publisher=[[Oxford University Press]] |isbn=978-0-19-565789-0 |pages=464–484 |chapter=Evolution of Indian Costume as a result of the links between Central Asia and India in ancient and medieval times}}</ref>
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I linked to wikipages in links, I added author names, I added dates, I added access-dates, I corrected titles. Some sources weren't working, I replaced those with working sources. What I did is right.
In the format of sources, all these are required.
However, a user has reverted all my edits.
Surge_Elec ( talk) 14:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Correcting: @ TrangaBellam: @ DaxServer: Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Added author name, which added an author-name. Nothing unusual about it. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
In other words, the Hyderabadi biryani is not indigenous, but a technique that was in the main introduced into India from regions to the northwest, from which different local styles evolved. Biryani is not just that of Hyderabad; there is also the Lucknow biryani, the Calcutta biryani, ..., there is even a Goa Fish Biryani. Indeed the reference [476], an article of Ashis Nandy states,"In the last millennium, the most significant import of cooking techniques into India occurred during the Mughal Empire. The cultivation of rice had spread much earlier from India to Central and West Asia; however, it was during Mughal rule that dishes, such as the pilaf,[468] developed in the interim during the Abbasid caliphate,[474] and cooking techniques such as the marinating of meat in yogurt, spread into northern India from regions to its northwest.[475] To the simple yogurt marinade of Persia, onions, garlic, almonds, and spices began to be added in India.[475] Rice grown to the southwest of the Mughal capital, Agra, which had become famous in the Islamic world for its fine grain, was partially cooked and layered alternately with the sauteed meat, the pot sealed tightly, and slow cooked according to another Persian cooking technique, to produce what has today become the Indian biryani,[475] a feature of festive dining in many parts of India.[476]"
We not only give a lengthy description of how biryani evolved, but we even have a picture of the Hyderabadi Chicken biryani. The UNESCO claim though is bogus as far as I can tell; and even if it is not, there is no reason to put it in. For as I've explained, India has 40 UNESCO world heritage sites and 13 other aspects of its culture inscribed in the List of Intangible Heritage of Humanity, 12 its very own and 1 (Nauroz) shared with other countries). Those indeed are UNESCO honors. So, how many will we be quoting in the article? 53? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Nandy: "(p. 11) Not merely ingredients came to the subcontinent, but also recipes. ... All around India one finds preparations that came originally from outside South Asia. Kebabs came from West and Central Asia and underwent radical metamorphosis in the hot and dusty plains of India. So did biryani and pulao, two rice preparations, usually with meat. Without them, ceremonial dining in many parts of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh is incomplete. Even the term pulao or pilav seems to have come from Arabic and Persian. It is true that in Sanskrit — in the Yajnavalkya Smriti — and in old Tamil, the term pulao occurs (Achaya, 1998b: 11), but it is also true that biryani and pulao today carry mainly the stamp of the Mughal times and its Persianized high culture."[6]
I am not opposed to the barest mention of Hyd. as a UNESCO city of gastronomy. But I oppose all mentions of Hyd. biryani etc. TrangaBellam ( talk) 21:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Omer123hussain: As I've explained above, the UNESCO Creative Cities Network is not an honor, only a recognition of intent, which is evaluated every four years for performance. It does not belong to the cuisine section of the India page. May I request that you not edit war on this page? I removed your edits because they are hard to understand and seem poorly sourced. Speaking of sourcing, I note that on the Hyderabad page's cuisine section, you have made a remarkable claim in an edit of October 2011, that Hyderabad's cuisine was influenced by the French. The source, however, on pages 89 and 90 says:
The sumptuous meat-based food of Lucknow, the state’s capital, is considered one of India’s great cuisines. After the disintegration of the Mughal Empire in the eighteenth century, the governors of this region, called Nawabs, set up an independent court at Awadh. They were famous for their love of luxury and their court was considered the ultimate in refinement in manners, clothing, arts, and cuisine. Eventually, this lifestyle trickled down to the local aristocrats and even the middle class. No expense or effort was spared on food. The Nawabs recruited the finest cooks from all over the subcontinent and paid them enormous salaries. These cooks were in demand all over India (like French chefs in the West today), and took their culinary skills to the courts at Hyderabad, Bhopal, and elsewhere.
In other words, not only is the content not about Hyderabad cuisine, it is not about the French either. It seems to have survived for ten years.
Omer123hussain, you are very welcome to propose your preferred sentence(s) here on the talk page.
Pinging @ RegentsPark: and also @ DrKay: as s/he seems to have edited the Hyderabad page. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
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Pranshu03 ( talk) 15:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
India is a good country.