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Although his "famous speech" is said to have ignited the Greater Poland Uprising, and this fact is mentioned on both pages, neither says what the speech was about. There are no details on the speech, other then the time and location circumstances, and that it started the revolution. What was the speech about? Obviously, it was an important part of his life and the Greater Poland Uprising. You'd think it woul merit description on at least one of these pages. (I'm in a cranky mood. Sorry) - Monk of the highest order (t) 01:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
He was born in the German Empire, technically -- so how could he have been from a Polish Province if Poland was not a nation at that time? 68.251.69.62 10:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC) In fact he could. Podolia was a province of "Kingdom of Poland", established on Vienna Congress - till 1863 in union with Russian Empire (after 1863 the Kingdom was legally incorporated into Imperial Russia). MWeinz 14:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Technically, where he was born was part of the Austrian Empire. Kuryłówka was part of the province of Podole and that was part of Galicia and Lodomeria. I made the proper changes. Norum 31.07.2006
Regarding the birthplace of Paderewski, this oxymoron prevails because Poland was politically chopped up over the passage of time and new geographical names were imposed. I tell people that my ancestors came from Poland because that's the current name of that area. But technically, they came from the Prussian Empire. My paternal grandfather had a Polish name but was conscripted into the Prussian Army and served from 1885 to 1888. If I were to say "they came from the Prussian Empire" hardly anybody today would comprehend that, except perhaps, a history professor with a Ph.D.
In some respects, this is analogous to Indo-China being divided into four countries and then Siam becoming Thailand.
Musicwriter ( talk) 06:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
I can't help thinking that the statement "his father was working there as an economist in the local mansion" is a mistranslation. It should probably be accountant or (land) agent/steward. Chicheley 09:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Please add a brief explanation on variation in names, i.e. Ignaz vs. Ignacy. A-giau 04:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Poland was occupied by Austria, Russia and Prussia [Germany] [for 123 years] - when you were born in the prussian part you had a prussian version of your name. Ignacy is polish name, Ignaz is germanized. [btw: Paderewski of course has nothing to do with german blood]
The Wikipedia birthdate given for Paderewski is November 6th. All other sources state it as November 18th. If Someone can verify and correct this, please do so. Denismgagliardo 12:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
TWO large infoboxes, repeating pretty much the same information? Why? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Probably December 9 or 1919 - 1920?-- Payakoff ( talk) 14:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article has part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is basically B-class, but it is deficient in information on his composing activities, in addition to other flaws. My full review is on the comments page; questions or comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic ♪piano 14:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Listening to his records now, one is struck by his lack of skill in some ways. His very mannered style, and his apparently total inability to play a chord together, would get him kicked out of any piano competition in the first round these days. We need something about how he's viewed by modern commentators. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 23:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
The Shepetivka article says he was born in Shepetivka. Here it says that he was born in Kurilovka and moved to Sudilkov near Shepetivka. Which is correct? Ratzd'mishukribo ( talk) 13:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Failed for WP:POLAND due to insufficient inline citations. Also, doesn't look very comprehensive. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ignacy Jan Paderewski/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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==Composers Project Assessment of Ignacy Jan Paderewski: 2009-01-13==
This is an assessment of article Ignacy Jan Paderewski by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards ( WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)
===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?
===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)
===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===
===Summary=== This is a fairly interesting article. While it gives clear weight to his notable achievements as a performer and politician, there is very little space devoted to his composing activities -- roughly one paragraph. More would be good, especially a listing of his works and some critical and popular commentary (on his compositions, not his piano playing) but that is my bias. The article would benefit from copyediting, mainly to add subheaders to the bio, and to correct things like inconsistent citation usage. If much of the article text is still from EB1911, providing inline citations will be a difficult task. Article is B-class; it's missing some potential content. Magic ♪piano 14:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 14:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 18:45, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Last month I put up a new article about Helena Paderewska, which contains some Polish history which would be useful in this article. I'm writing here because that article still doesn't have a talk page. Also, I suggest citing to the Sierkierski version of her memoirs there cited, rather than the Ilias Chrissochoidis version herein cited. I had edited her article while reading a hard copy of the Hoover Institution published book, and really appreciated the footnotes, although apparently I used an incorrect format in citing the ISBN printed on the title page. I looked up the reviews of the Chissochoidis version and it may not have footnotes. I don't know if the author was one of the grad students assisting Sierkierski in compiling the official Hoover Institution publication. I severely cut back my wikipedia editing because of digital harassment apparently relating to HomeVestors of America (whose article I haven't touched and an affiliate of which years ago vowed to force me to "shut up online"). When editing her article on 12/11 my untouched cellphone kept blipping with blocked spam calls; today 571-639-4004 called minutes after I logged onto wikipedia. Like cellphone-wielding compatriots chosing to violate the National Do Not Call Registry and other laws, it refused to identify itself nor leave a message. Jweaver28 ( talk) 14:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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Although his "famous speech" is said to have ignited the Greater Poland Uprising, and this fact is mentioned on both pages, neither says what the speech was about. There are no details on the speech, other then the time and location circumstances, and that it started the revolution. What was the speech about? Obviously, it was an important part of his life and the Greater Poland Uprising. You'd think it woul merit description on at least one of these pages. (I'm in a cranky mood. Sorry) - Monk of the highest order (t) 01:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
He was born in the German Empire, technically -- so how could he have been from a Polish Province if Poland was not a nation at that time? 68.251.69.62 10:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC) In fact he could. Podolia was a province of "Kingdom of Poland", established on Vienna Congress - till 1863 in union with Russian Empire (after 1863 the Kingdom was legally incorporated into Imperial Russia). MWeinz 14:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Technically, where he was born was part of the Austrian Empire. Kuryłówka was part of the province of Podole and that was part of Galicia and Lodomeria. I made the proper changes. Norum 31.07.2006
Regarding the birthplace of Paderewski, this oxymoron prevails because Poland was politically chopped up over the passage of time and new geographical names were imposed. I tell people that my ancestors came from Poland because that's the current name of that area. But technically, they came from the Prussian Empire. My paternal grandfather had a Polish name but was conscripted into the Prussian Army and served from 1885 to 1888. If I were to say "they came from the Prussian Empire" hardly anybody today would comprehend that, except perhaps, a history professor with a Ph.D.
In some respects, this is analogous to Indo-China being divided into four countries and then Siam becoming Thailand.
Musicwriter ( talk) 06:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
I can't help thinking that the statement "his father was working there as an economist in the local mansion" is a mistranslation. It should probably be accountant or (land) agent/steward. Chicheley 09:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Please add a brief explanation on variation in names, i.e. Ignaz vs. Ignacy. A-giau 04:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Poland was occupied by Austria, Russia and Prussia [Germany] [for 123 years] - when you were born in the prussian part you had a prussian version of your name. Ignacy is polish name, Ignaz is germanized. [btw: Paderewski of course has nothing to do with german blood]
The Wikipedia birthdate given for Paderewski is November 6th. All other sources state it as November 18th. If Someone can verify and correct this, please do so. Denismgagliardo 12:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
TWO large infoboxes, repeating pretty much the same information? Why? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Probably December 9 or 1919 - 1920?-- Payakoff ( talk) 14:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article has part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is basically B-class, but it is deficient in information on his composing activities, in addition to other flaws. My full review is on the comments page; questions or comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic ♪piano 14:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Listening to his records now, one is struck by his lack of skill in some ways. His very mannered style, and his apparently total inability to play a chord together, would get him kicked out of any piano competition in the first round these days. We need something about how he's viewed by modern commentators. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 23:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
The Shepetivka article says he was born in Shepetivka. Here it says that he was born in Kurilovka and moved to Sudilkov near Shepetivka. Which is correct? Ratzd'mishukribo ( talk) 13:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Failed for WP:POLAND due to insufficient inline citations. Also, doesn't look very comprehensive. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ignacy Jan Paderewski/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Comment(s) | Press [show] to view → |
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==Composers Project Assessment of Ignacy Jan Paderewski: 2009-01-13==
This is an assessment of article Ignacy Jan Paderewski by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards ( WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)
===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?
===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)
===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===
===Summary=== This is a fairly interesting article. While it gives clear weight to his notable achievements as a performer and politician, there is very little space devoted to his composing activities -- roughly one paragraph. More would be good, especially a listing of his works and some critical and popular commentary (on his compositions, not his piano playing) but that is my bias. The article would benefit from copyediting, mainly to add subheaders to the bio, and to correct things like inconsistent citation usage. If much of the article text is still from EB1911, providing inline citations will be a difficult task. Article is B-class; it's missing some potential content. Magic ♪piano 14:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 14:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 18:45, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Last month I put up a new article about Helena Paderewska, which contains some Polish history which would be useful in this article. I'm writing here because that article still doesn't have a talk page. Also, I suggest citing to the Sierkierski version of her memoirs there cited, rather than the Ilias Chrissochoidis version herein cited. I had edited her article while reading a hard copy of the Hoover Institution published book, and really appreciated the footnotes, although apparently I used an incorrect format in citing the ISBN printed on the title page. I looked up the reviews of the Chissochoidis version and it may not have footnotes. I don't know if the author was one of the grad students assisting Sierkierski in compiling the official Hoover Institution publication. I severely cut back my wikipedia editing because of digital harassment apparently relating to HomeVestors of America (whose article I haven't touched and an affiliate of which years ago vowed to force me to "shut up online"). When editing her article on 12/11 my untouched cellphone kept blipping with blocked spam calls; today 571-639-4004 called minutes after I logged onto wikipedia. Like cellphone-wielding compatriots chosing to violate the National Do Not Call Registry and other laws, it refused to identify itself nor leave a message. Jweaver28 ( talk) 14:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)