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Hi, is it intended that there does not exist a single direct link to the wikipedia page of the US? If not, could we add one? FS100 ( talk) 11:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
It seems strange to me that there is no mention of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dying in Feb. 2016, Mitch McConnell announcing the same day that Senate Republicans would not consider any Obama nominee to replace Scalia, or Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland about a month later. It seems to me a mention of the events, with at least a link to the Merrick Garland page, would be appropriate. Virago2 ( talk) 22:41, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please restore the direct hatnote link to his father, as it was before this edit. 46.116.191.224 ( talk) 01:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I find it well-written and carefully sifted through personally. - Informant16 14 May 2018
Why is Barack Obama's Higher Education degrees left blank? His Masters degree in Economics? His Doctorate in Law? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.145.67 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
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President Obama was President from Jan 2008 to Jan 20, 2016. You have it at 2017. 2606:A000:4112:3800:9510:5A28:3030:CC95 ( talk) 22:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is underway at Talk:List of federal judges appointed by Donald Trump/Archive 2#Ordering of pending nominations. Interested editors may want to comment. — JFG talk 20:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
The opening sentence of the lead contains the following words: "he was the first African American to be elected to the presidency." That information should not be in the opening paragraph of the lead for several reasons. First off, the statement is confusing because "first" means that someone followed him, which is false information. Second, the fact that Obama is black is irrelevant to the presidency. The office of the president hinges on talent, character, integrity, and courage, not race. No other presidential article gives high priority to the person's country or continent of ancestry. The lead of JFK's article doesn't mention that he was the first Catholic president or first president of Irish descent.
It's OK to discuss Obama's ancestry in the text of the article but not in lead. As I just mentioned, descent and ancestry are irrelevant to the office of the president, and the issue deserves limited discussion anywhere in the article. Anthony22 ( talk) 02:06, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
The previous version of the article claimed that Obama used drone strikes "against Islamist militants". But that statement was not sourced. If you read Obama's speech on drone strikes and official policy paper, there is no reference to targetting "Islamist militants". I have added a source confirming that Obama substantially escalated the use of drone strikes, so I propose we leave it at that neutral statement. PluniaZ ( talk) 00:43, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Rehashed WP:OR. Editors' personal opinions and "logic" won't change what WP:RS say and won't override WP:EGRS. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC) |
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From the "African American" Wikipedia entry: "According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (≈95%)." [...] "In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States."
-- 92.217.221.205 ( talk) 11:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Obummer's mother was white; his father was black. It should be indicated in the introduction that he is of mixed race/bi-racial, rather than "African-American/black." Such a claim is false, regardless of whether his father came from, or where Obummer was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.254.1.7 ( talk) 05:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Obama is mixed. He's the first mixed president. He's not an African America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Sullivan 1997 ( talk • contribs) 22:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
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Born: August 4, 1961 (age 57 years), Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, Honolulu, HI Vice president: Joe Biden (2009–2017) Trending Full name: Barack Hussein Obama II Presidential term: January 20, 2009 – January 20, 2017 Party: Democratic Party Education: Harvard Law School (1988–1991), MORE Parents: Ann Dunham, Barack Obama Sr. Jeremy1818 ( talk) 17:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Barack Obama is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Barack Obama until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America 1000 11:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
There should be mention of this controversy which many times attracted national attention, especially when openly questioned repeatedly by Donald Trump. Please include in Wikipedia. 47.201.182.47 ( talk) 13:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
A significant gaffe during the 2012 election was President Obama's hot mic incident where he was caught telling Russian President Medvedev that he will have flexibility to negotiate with Putin after the election. [1] There is no mention of that anywhere on his 2012 campaign page nor on his main page, however Mitt Romney's 47% gaffe is mentioned on both is 2012 campaign page and his main page (rightfully so as it was notable).
I propose that it gets added to the page. Dy3o2 ( talk) 06:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Obama’s statement was ambiguous and thus subject to much speculation, but it’s actual meaning remains unclear and so it’s not noteworthy here. As Bush said after being re-elected, "I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and I intend to spend it,” meaning he had more leverage to advance his agenda in Congress. meh. soibangla ( talk) 18:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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The Obama article is far from complete, especially about his presidency, and a number of topics should be included which are not, and others should be discussed at more depth. For example, missing is any mention of trading five Taliban terrorists for Army deserter Bowe Bergdahl, the IRS scandal, Pigford 2, Solyndra, record number of people on food stamps, doubling the national debt, and many other topics. JohnTopShelf ( talk) 21:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
You cannot separate Obama the person from Obama the PresidentIndeed we can, and do, just as we do with the Trump articles. Your proposed content belongs in the Presidency article, if anywhere, and if you feel that article is inadequate, you should add content. And just FYI, Cash for Clunkers was not an Obama initiative, Congress introduced it. soibangla ( talk) 22:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
"It seems criticism may be allowed under certain circumstances" Certainly, but under the limitations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:
Well, one thing that is highly relevant, and defined Obama's presidency, was his lie "If you like you doctor, you can keep your doctor". And, as commenters here have pointed out repeatedly, lying is a personality trait that rightfully belongs in an article like this. But, strangely, this statement, as important and defining as it was, is nowhere to be found in this article. Obviously, it should be included, probably in the lede.- JohnTopShelf ( talk) 21:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
The wiki page for ‘African Americans’ specifies that the term is used for American people who are “descendants of enslaved black people who are from the United States”( African Americans ( this version)). Wouldn’t it then be incorrect to call Obama African American since neither of his parents are such? BooLeigh ( talk) 17:28, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Surprised to see that the international spying scandals and Snowden are not mentioned in this article. To non-Americans such as me, this is one of the things Obama is most remembered for. Vandergay ( talk) 21:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Many of the other articles I've seen such as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton the Presidency section is almost chronological and divided into First term and Second term. Furthermore, their re-election campaigns are included in the Presidency section. Should the "Presidency" section on this article be changed to be more consistent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subkot ( talk • contribs) 14:32, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to say that Muammar Gaddafi was killed by NATO assisted forces in the introduction? I feel that it is not very relevant to the subject of the article and the sentence on Libya should simply be replaced by something like: "He ordered military involvement in Libya which contributed to the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi." DeathTrain ( talk) 23:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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change 2017 to 2016 SonofGod34 ( talk) 00:35, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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let me know.) 00:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)"After graduating from Columbia University in 1983, he worked as a community organizer in Chicago." This implies that he was a community organizer starting in 1983, but later in the article, under Law Career/Harvard University and Community Organizer, it is said that he began work in that position in 1985. The initial statement, while essentially true, is somewhat misleading and should be clarified. (What happened between 1983 and 1985?)
This is my first-ever comment posted to Wikipedia. I apologize and ask for kind remarks about how I could have done it better, if I've run afoul of any usual practices. FourSeasonsMN ( talk) 21:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't wish to be too much of a party pooper here guys, but this article probably shouldn't continue to be classed as a Featured Article, and to that end I would propose sending it to Featured article review with a look towards de-listing. It reached FA status in 2004, a time when the standards at FA were very much lower than they are today, and four years before Obama was even elected President. It has undergone a series of FARs up to 2012, in which it has retained its status, but looking at it now, I don't think this article would have a chance in Hell of actually being appointed an FA. It relies virtually exclusively on free web sources, when really, if it wants to be among our very best content, it should be based around the content of biographies and historical studies of Obama's life and presidency. Compare it, for example, with political biography articles that have far more recently received FA-status, like Nelson Mandela and Vladimir Lenin, and you will see a clear difference in the quality of the sourcing. Are there any firm objections to this being sent to FAR? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 10:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello Mr. Obama. I am a fan and i realize that some of the information on here is false and I would love to edit it to make it more correct because you are a man worthy of an accurate Wikipedia page. Thank you, and I would love to edit for you on Wikipedia Obama69420 ( talk) 16:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Why is the "New Democrats" box set to have "People" expanded by default? Adds length that's not necessary at the lead of this highly visible article. I think, like the other sections of the "New Democrats" box, it should be hidden by default. Thoughts? Ganesha811 ( talk) 04:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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In other: Scooby Doo references Barack Obama (pronounced Rarack Robama) in an interview. Zimmeisa000 ( talk) 19:01, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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I would like to edit an incorrect statement 46.97.126.62 ( talk) 10:06, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
The sidebar lists Obama as having died November 11, 2019 (aged 0) in Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.
Unless that's been severely unreported, I think that that's false information.
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50.200.132.221 ( talk) 13:28, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I have edited articles on Wikipedia for several years, and apparently I have not made 10 edits yet, so I cannot edit this page, and would like to ask somebody who can make edits to the Obama education section to delete information which does not relate to President Obama's education, such as discussion of the president's mother, father, stepfather, travels as a child, substance abuse, etc., and add the relevant education basics, such as the president's Columbia University and Harvard University degrees and experiences. I am nearly certain that the former president's education section at one time must have included this information. The additional information, which comprises now most of the education section, needs editing, and possibly needs additional protections put in place.
Currently the education section in this article introduces and showcases questions regarding Wikipedia's vulnerability to informational flaws and unreliability readers might want to ask themselves before visiting Wikipedia, and that is damaging to the Wikipedia reputation and brand. If you can allow me editing privileges on this page, I can write a nice education section that lends credibility to Wikipedia as an information source.
Thank you very much for considering.
BrookeinHumboldt ( talk) 08:02, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Potential error in diagram of campaign support in Illinois.
Should countries not be changed to regions?
The text says, "Results of the 2004 U.S. Senate race in Illinois; Obama won the counties in blue."
Correction, "Results of the 2004 U.S. Senate race in Illinois; Obama won the regions in blue." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:193:C500:880:E802:8234:1DB1:2B05 ( talk) 16:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Would you be so kind to use map (International trips made by President Barack Obama during his terms in office)which is in agreement with United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262: /info/en/?search=United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.90.252 ( talk) 20:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Is it worth dropping a footnote saying that an Ancestry.com study strongly suggested that President Obama's mother was descended from John Punch, an enslaved person of African descent (see [6] and [7])? SunCrow ( talk) 21:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The "External links" needs to be reviewed for possible inclusion in the article or trimming. Along with four "Official sites" there are eighteen "other" links that becomes a cultivated "link farm". Otr500 ( talk) 08:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bobama. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. TheAwesome Hwyh 19:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
First and foremost, I'm not personally saying that this movement is genuine or based in fact or reason. However, due to the fact that this issue is notable enough for its very own article should we add disputed to birth place. It would look like " Honolulu, Hawaii, U.S. ( disputed)". It is not unusual to see these type of popular conspiracy theories making there way into infoboxes (see Jeffery Epstein). I'm so sorry, Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 10:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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Barack Obama is the first Mixed American president of United States Of America. 71.178.242.55 ( talk) 20:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 0bama. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 1#0bama until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesome Hwyh 15:32, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Though long poo-pooed by my public school teachers, Wikipedia is an increasingly-powerful purveyor of fact. Like it or not, it is the primary source to which millions of people turn to learn, refresh, and verify information. Despite fears of page vandalism, the decentralized, crowd-sourced model of authorship has worked remarkably well. As in any free market, the aggregate decisions and knowledge of the largest possible number of people converge to agglomerate the best and most thorough information available. It is nonetheless vulnerable to the biases of those who choose to participate directly in the recording of history. This group, the active authors of Barack Obama's virtual epitaph that shall God willing endure for generations, therefore bears a significant responsibility, indeed a sacred duty, to provide the facts as they are, not facts as they wish them to be nor comments on the same. For the preservation truth as much as for the preservation of the reputation and credibility of Wikipedia itself, we must strive not to pontificate or editorialize, but to state plainly, offering only minimal assessment where absolutely necessary.
This page is excessively hagiographic. The concluding sentence of the fourth paragraph, "During his term in office, America's reputation abroad significantly improved," does not even attempt objectivity. Failing to even consider taking the long view of history, this sentence is both an unnecessary detail and a subjective assessment of the sentiments of an extremely diffuse set of people around the world, which its author cannot possible know and would only include if he actively sought to praise the subject. Indeed, the citation links to an editorial from a newspaper known to have a center-left editorial stance, and therefore a paper invested in the success of President Obama as well as one that has, since Obama's departure from the White House, demonstrated a consistent editorial preoccupation with opposition to his successor. The editorial itself is chiefly interested in criticism of President Trump and praise for his predecessor. This sentence should go, for a start.
The preceding sentence similarly betrays a clear center-left political orientation. In discussing his nominations to the Supreme Court, the article states that "Obama nominated three justices to the Supreme Court: Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan were confirmed as justices, while Merrick Garland faced partisan obstruction and was not confirmed." Opposition to the nomination of Merrick Garland is characterized as "partisan obstruction," an old and tired talking point of the Democratic Party intended to dismissively paint political opposition to Obama's nominees due to qualifications, ideology, or the manner of the nomination as some unreasonable injustice. Political opposition to Presidential nominees is common and ought to be encouraged in a free society that welcomes debate, criticism, and scrutiny of the current holder of the high office, and Wikipedia must strive to present what is or was being argued, not cavalierly discount one side of a contentious political debate. The author of this sentence was not even possessed of the decency to offer a citation for this portrayal. I suggest amending the sentence to "Obama nominated three justices to the Supreme Court: Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan were confirmed as justices while Democrats held the majority in the Senate, but Merrick Garland's nomination was blocked by Republicans when they held the majority."
I also believe that an addition should be made to the final paragraph noting that Obama has faced criticism for specific policies and stances. I of course agree that it should be noted he is ranked favorably by historians and the public, but it ought to be noted that his popularity was not universal and his policies not uniformly successful. Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston Churchill are both greater men than he who triumphed in times of greater challenge, and their Wikipedia entries mention that, while highly regarded, they also have been criticized for Japanese internment and support of imperialism, respectively. Obama admittedly exceeded his constitutional powers in establishing DACA, failed to achieve robust economic growth despite (or perhaps because of) his Keynesian economic policies, and saw rival powers Iran, Russia, and China emboldened by his failure to enforce red lines in Syria. More extralegal drone killings occurred during his administration than any other. More illegal immigrants were deported during his administration than any other. Members of his administration working in the IRS targeted his political rivals to prevent them from fundraising effectively. The man was not without controversy, so at least some of these should make the opening paragraph of his Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerwin1854 ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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In the summary box, the links for "Malia" and "Sasha" redirect to pages off Wikipedia (to Gyaanipedia). They should direct toward the page /info/en/?search=Family_of_Barack_Obama#Malia_and_Sasha_Obama Darjeelingblend ( talk) 15:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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ok i need to make a few changes to change every thing to past tense if you dont mind Dartsspurt ( talk) 15:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
"In May 2020, Obama criticised President Trump for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic,calling his response to the crisis "an absolute chaotic disaster".Trump reacted by retweeting Twitter posts which accused Obama of targeting incoming officials and sabotaging the Trump administration in the last weeks of his presidency and by calling this endeavour "the biggest political crime in American history"[sic]"
There is no misspelling in the quote that would warrant the use of sic Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 10:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Discussion can be found here. Casprings ( talk) 16:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
This article, like all BLPs, is a biography of the subject's whole life and career, and its intro is a summary of the major, notable events in his life. We do not write BLPs with an eye to having balance with what another article includes, or to reflect the "zeitgeist" of the times. Adding something to the intro of his biography about some protests is inappropriate, especially given the thinness of the linked article and does indeed give it much greater weight than is warranted. The article on his presidency would be a possible place for this, if that, but not here. As far as the Trump biography is concerned, the protests that met his inauguration, for example, have been much more significant than these, and that linked article commensurately much more detailed and comprehensive - but that's a decision to be made by the editors of that biography. Here so far two different editors have reverted the addition, and it should not be added again unless consensus were to be reached to include it, as that is edit warring and not allowed. Always willing to discuss - but here, not in edit summaries. Please stop adding it. Tvoz/ talk 02:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
What is the religion of former American president Barack Obama? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohail345 ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
How is this even controversial? I changed the BO bio to "first black president of the HLR" from "first black head of the HLR". "Head" is an ambiguous term and not accurate. Someone then reverted my entry saying, "no HLR has an editor, not a president". That is not true, the HLR has both. President Obama was the President of the HLR, not the Editor. That is an easily verified fact.
Scottca075 ( talk) 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC) [1]
Is it me or the following sentence (2nd in the article) would make more sense if it was prefixed by As or Being?
"A member of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama was the first African-American president of the United States."
If this article wasn't semi-protected, I'd edit it myself.
From the intro:
I doubt this claim which is merely supported by a single source that requires subscription for the full article. What I can read is the "60% positive views" statement in the first paragraph while as far as I know anti-Americanism existed at the same level (refer to those tables that list out the ratings by country - all surveys done during Obama's presidency), if not higher in China (for his Trans-Pacific Partnership) & the Philippines (whose president publicly used the "f word" to the US president at the time), let alone Russia and North Korea. Presumably, The Washington Post has their own bias (or double standards), especially if that's in the opinion column. In dialogue with PanVoyager 04:35 Sunday, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
If you don't like it, change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.53.232.146 ( talk) 17:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
I propose the following caption for the infobox: "Official portrait, 2012". I think it would only benefit readers -- currently, it is unclear when the portrait was taken during his presidency, and his appearance changed significantly over those 8 years). An alternative choice is "Obama in 2012". Thoughts? — Goszei ( talk) 07:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
The AP style guide has removed the hyphen this year in African American and other hyphenated dual identities. AP tackles language about race in this year’s style guide Columbia Journalism Review Why has this article not followed this practice? I thought Wikipedia followed the AP style guide, but no? I was reverted when I tried to change it. Thanks, Krok6kola ( talk) 13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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please change ((Francois Hollande)) to ((François Hollande)) 98.239.227.65 ( talk) 12:13, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Gatedais:, thanks, but I can read. I suggest reading the FAQ at the top of this page to understand why your change is inappropriate. Acalamari 14:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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Obama has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers. (This is almost identical to a statement on Donald Trump's Wikipedia page.) Fact-checker source is https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=barack-obama
I believe this should be added to Obama's page to even out the egregious and obvious bias of Wikipedia contributors/editors. Alexanderth3hgr8 ( talk) 02:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
in special:diff/982279214 it was requested by user:cullen328 I pursue consensus before restoring the section.
template:infobox officeholder does not include an explanation of all it's sections (including this one) so template:infobox person can be useful there. It explains:
This much is true since only Obama's American citizenship can be inferred by his birthplace. He has has in the past had bloodline nationality (if not necessarily citizenship.. blurred lines) citizenship in Britain/Kenya/Commonwealth during his youth which all expired due to him not renouncing American citizenship (Kenyan citizenship automatically lost if you don't renounce, don't allow dual citizenship).
I'm thinking cullen328 could be objecting because I might have misclassified BPP as citizenship when it might've been more appropriate as 'nationality' since BPP were subject to British jurisdiction and protection but did not have voting rights AFAIK. Same might be true of Commonwealth Citizenship since CW members don't vote in leaders of commonwealth but enjoy protections. I don't know where it would fall in Kenyan terms. If it's about voting rights then arguably children don't become citizens until voting age, until then they would effectively nationals. WakandaQT ( talk) 05:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
How is it that this article does not even mention the war crimes committed by Obama in Afghanistan and the criticism of the internationally illegal drone strike program that bombed and murderered a tremendous amount of civilians? This is quite an incredible amount of whitewashing. PailSimon ( talk) 11:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Someone vandalized Obama’s middle name again. 2601:643:380:5040:28FC:239E:51A2:87EC ( talk) 00:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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I find that saying B.H.O 2, is ... African-American ... is very misleading, and not far from Manipulation,
First, the meaning of the denomination : African-American, hence in the USA, is not the fact of having African blood while being American,
Otherwise ... I let you guess the consequences and "the getting out of hand" of many cases and situations,
It means being the descendant of the Africans brought to "America" centuries ago to be slaves. It is "a situation" not just a name or an adjective.
No more, no less.
Hence the very long and horrible story that they lived, without forgetting the "left overs" ... the fact that there are still African-Americans suffering from racism and discrimination, yes at a lesser degree, but still existing so the suffering still exists.
Colin Powell, Martin Luther King and Tom Bradley, as an example, are African-Americans, hence if in a speech or campaign, they say, or the media says; He is the 1st African-American president of the united states, WITH All what that means:
The HUGE and gigantic step forward of the USA toward the eradication of any type discrimination toward African-Americans, AND a final and very respectable message to the other countries saying, USA is over with those dark ages.
The tremendous pride and satisfaction that every African-American will feel, saying to him self, finally! we ARE, and "the same" too !
So my point is, saying that B.H.O 2 is African-American, is a manipulation of words, to put him as a favorite toward African-Americans, and a lie to say that finally an African-American got to the presidency in the USA.
My "speech" might be very rude toward B.H.O 2, but it is even "ruder" to lie to a whole planet including your own fellow citizen.
So please, correct your "wikipedia" pages and the likes, I am, too, allergic to B.S. .
Rémi E.
PS: feel free to argue about Powell's case/example, even if you will be right, it wont change a thing about the principal subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.159.254.130 ( talk) 18:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
It means being the descendant of the Africans brought to "America" centuries ago to be slaves.No, not true. As our page on African Americans says, African Americans are
are an ethnic group of Americans with total or partial ancestry from any of the black racial groups of Africa.His father is from Kenya and his mother is from Kansas, so he is quite literally "African American". – Muboshgu ( talk) 18:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
My dear Friend, those information are NONO-NOGO, they are untrue, written by manipulators, you and me belong to one of the rare species that has the "intelligence" to Lie, for X or Y reason, it could be for bad reasons, it could be for good reasons, it is a fact, it is so true, that it is actually one of the millions ways of Surviving.(even parents lie to their kids for good reasons some times)
So tell me, you, how would differentiate a "black" US citizen, as belonging to who SUFFERED the EXTREME violence of: being chased and trapped like animals in Africa, then parked like animals in western African Ports, transferred into slave ships by the Atlantic, where they were thrown like trash overboard when food/water was too low for the crew ? and who arriving to America ended up as pure merchandise just a little bit more important that a donkey or a caw ? Those Africans that suffered segregation until like 50/60 years ago ?
From Africans (race wise) that "came" from Africa ? in our example, B.H.O 2nd is actually the worse case ever, because his father was a "rich" African, do I have to go further ? Do I have to explain the point of view of Islam toward slavery ?
Do I have to repeat that, B.H.O 2nd, his ancestors and descendants, the "three" of them never suffered or will suffer the thousand'th of what suffered THE African-Americans thru history ?
To open your eyes, I defy anyone to show me a sincere intervention of the NAACP in regards of a problem toward an African immigrant.
And to finish up, I may offend you by telling you that you, fell quite easily in the trap, the trap is called: Technically.
Yes technically he is an African and American, but as I said, THE African-American is a historical thing, not just a tag like: "made in USA" stamped on some stuff assembled from non US parts ... Do you see my point ?
And that's how "he" "got" you, I will unfortunately use the word Hypocrisy, I never forgot a very sad scene were a young man asked him: will you legalize cannabis ?
the answer of B.H.O 2nd was "yeah" like he was making a deal with his homie ...
After election, he refused to legalize it -- lying to get elected AND to an Afro-American man, while pretending he is AA, so "one of them" .
(out of subject: and look at who did legalize the cannabis lately? isn't ironic?)
Miss, Madam or Sir are you Afro-American ?
Saying AA's are an ethnic group of Americans is just ridiculous scientifically,
Never forget: "white" Americans are Caucasians (the "white" race) from Europe, AA's are Africans (the "black" race) from Africa ... The Americans are what you commonly call the natives, are an ethnic group of the Caucasians -- I am of course talking about the Natives-Americans, the "Indians".
Talk to you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.159.254.130 ( talk) 20:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
In Obama's infobox, the "from Illinois" part of the U.S. Senator from Illinois section links to List of United States senators from Illinois. Should this be changed to link to the state of Illinois to maintain consistency with all other senator's pages? 2601:88:8101:E300:D1DC:42A8:C4BA:3D48 ( talk) 03:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all. I added this to the page under the above heading which has now been removed under dubious pretences:
Obama's immigration policy has been criticised as 'the harshest and largest immigration enforcement regime in American history.' [1] Under the Obama administration, it is reported that between 2009 and 2015, a total of 2.5 million people were deported, [2] at a rate above 385,000 between 2009 - 2011 with the highest level of deportations reaching 409,849 in 2012. [3] There was also controversy over the usage of 'Cages That House Immigrant Children at U.S.-Mexico Border' which were first built and used under his term in office. [4]
According to @ Snooganssnoogans: it 'pushes a false narrative about Obama implementing the family separation policy.' - Although I'm not sure how, as it is a fact that his administration created the cages and no where in the section did I state that Obama was linked directly to the term 'family separation policy' - the source addresses this and one part states: 'Thomas Homan (who was director of removal operations at ICE under President Obama). Homan had said during a June 21, 2019, panel discussion hosted by the anti-immigration advocacy group Center for Immigration Studies that “‘The kids are being [housed] in the same facility built under the Obama administration. If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages, then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”
From how I understand it, the cages were built within facilities, with the adults being close to them and reunited quickly after checks. It's not a pretty part of human history, but I wonder if this is a politically motivated removal of facts that even for me were quite the revelation at first to think Obama would do such a thing. Anyway, 'feelings' aside, I wonder if there is consensus as to how my original text could be improved please. For the record, I am not American and don't prefer any US president over any other...well I always had a soft spot for Kennedy. Anyway, Thanks in advance. Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 13:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi again, It's been over a week and you cannot justify your revert and your own talk page is marred with similar accusations and is disturbingly riddled with the similar pattern of reverting facts that you can not allow due to disagreeing with it. I have re-written the part since your revert was clearly politically motivated and I have also asked two other wiki editor who seem more objective to weigh in on this matter as, I am sorry but I do not trust your reasons for reverting due to your talk page. Thanks. Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 12:41, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Do you think that wiki articles should only be defined by 'mainstream' sources?, the answer to which is unquestionably "yes". If you are unable to identify reliable sources on your own, you may wish to check Wikipedia:Reliable sources. ValarianB ( talk) 17:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/obamas-mixed-legacy-immigration
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661 https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/enforcement-actions https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/
In essence, anything remotely political on Wikipedia is indeed subject to instant removal by an army of pro-Left editors. Only pro-Left material can remain on Wikipedia, and nobody who isn't pro-Left should even bother editing or improving any article. For examaple, Obama was actually one of the elected members of the law review, and he didn't get on due to his scholarship, but if that entirely accurate change were made it would be instantly branded vandalism and removed. That is why Wikipedia is also called "Liberalpedia." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 ( talk) 03:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
IMO, more recent official portrait (crossed arms) better. Both are fine per MOS:LEADIMAGE, but newer prez-pic makes sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 07:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I think that it would be more appropriate to use his first term portrait instead of the current one in use from his second term. I think it makes more sense, as the current one has too much of a distracting background, whereas the first term version focuses on the President's face. Additionally, the first term portrait is more in line with the style of other presidential portraits, with the simple background including only flags. Thoughts? Fireandblood02 ( talk) 23:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Why does the information about the Hiroshima speech violates WP:LEAD? The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are one of the most significant events in the 20th century, and the first visit of the sitting US president is a historic moment, which was also widely covered by observers and the international media.-- WEBDuB ( talk) 10:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Would it really have been 2009, that he would have won the prize? Would he have this on his document? (Couldn't it rather be something like 2011 or 2012?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.144.209.94 ( talk) 15:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I raised several concerns about this article in the last week of November 2020. No meaningful response here from any editor. On December 23, all those questions were archived. This is a hagiography. To anyone whose only exposure to Barack Obama is this article, one would think he has never been the subject of any real criticism from anyone to the right of Joe Manchin. A quick comparison with other presidents' biographies, including Donald Trump and George W. Bush, reveals abundant criticism from political opponents. Don't tell me to go away and edit those articles. Let's make this article consistent with those articles. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 ( talk) 01:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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help page).Could someone who is able to edit photos crop and edit the photo so that only Obama, the guy in the left (his teacher), and the childhood statue of him remains? I cropped it so that only he and his statue appears, but I think it is better to include his old teacher too. I could have asked this in the photography lab, but there are much more watchers here. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
The use of the phrase "served as" to describe a politician's term of office is non-neutral euphemistic puffery. Some people may think a politician is serving, while others think the politician is the one being served. It is much more straightforward and factual to simply say that Mr. Obama was the 44th POTUS than to say he served as the 44th POTUS. My edit to use neutral language (found here) was rapidly reverted by someone who accurately noted that similar non-neutral phrasing is used in other articles. But the fact that this phrase may be used in a lot of other similar articles is not a good justification for using it; that is just an observation that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This puffery should be removed from all of them. — BarrelProof ( talk) 05:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Forgive me, I am not an experienced Wikipedia editor. I am an experienced newspaper editor and reporter, however, and while I don't join with the details offered by the previous editor addressing this issue, I share that person's concern that relative to the pages of other past U.S. Presidents, this entry is unbalanced. Low points of the Obama administration are couched, mentioned in passing or elided altogether. 1. the discussion of the "red line" in Syria offers a clear example: the red line is mentioned in a clause buried in a sentence that's otherwise about Obama's ultimate success in depriving Assad of chemical weapons: "Obama chose not to enforce the "red line" he had pledged[425] and, rather than authorize the promised military action against Assad, went along with the Russia-brokered deal that led to Assad giving up chemical weapons; however attacks with chlorine gas continued...." As you can see, the assertion about chem weapons doesn't even survive the sentence (chlorine gas is a chemical weapon.) More to the point, this incident is considered by many -- including many members of the Administration and even Sec. of State John Kerry -- to be a major low-point of the Obama years and a setback for American influence. 2. Obama's relations with Congressional Democrats and Republicans alike were toxic and sometimes hostile. Unmentioned here. 3. The "bowing" controversy. Again, not included. 4. The wide critique of the entire Arab Spring approach 5. Crimea.
For point of comparison, I'd point to the pages of Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden. Both give extensive attention to the controversies and perceived missteps of their subjects.
Bias and the process around it are the work of a lifetime in publishing, so it's no slight at all to the hard work that's gone into this page, but for whatever reason, Obama's page stands out among those of his peers. Not going all the way to hagiography, but...I don't think the original poster on this issue was too far off. 173.48.104.21 ( talk) 09:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC) Ragnar, ragnarcarlson@gmail.com
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The last sentence in Section 3.2 "Domestic Policy" inaccurately states that, during his 2011 State of the Union Address, President Obama:
"promised the United States would have one million electric vehicles on the road by 2015 and be 80% reliant on "clean" electricity."
President Obama did not promise that the U.S. would be 80% reliant on clean energy by 2015. The actual language from that Address was:
"Now, clean energy breakthroughs will only translate into clean energy jobs if businesses know there will be a market for what they’re selling. So tonight, I challenge you to join me in setting a new goal: By 2035, 80 percent of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources."
See https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/01/25/remarks-president-state-union-address; see also /info/en/?search=2011_State_of_the_Union_Address ("Expenses": bullet point 3)
Setting a goal of the U.S. being 80% reliant on clean energy sources by 2035 is not a "promise" that it would be by 2015. Lightcar ( talk) 02:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to replace the current pronunciation audio file with a much higher quality and louder file. NickRobbins13 ( talk) 08:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I think the caption under the infobox image should simply say ″2012 portrait″ instead of ″Official portrait, 2012″. Having the word "official" in there is in my opinion quite redundant, because we can clearly see that Obama is posing in a formal manner. – Roopeank ( talk) 23:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Could we have some opinions at the above article please. Specifically, are the ancestry charts starting at permalink desirable? See the article history. Johnuniq ( talk) 00:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
While I don't think this should be added to the main article, this info should be added to one of the sub articles on foreign policy of Obama https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-drone-strikes/. X-Editor ( talk) 06:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Can we bring up a source/ref from the lower text to justify the last sentence above the contents block - this one:
"Obama's presidency has generally been regarded favorably, and evaluations of his presidency among historians, political scientists, and the general public frequently place him among the upper tier of American presidents."
I'm sure it's sourced later on, and I'm not sure what's protocol, but it looks questionable without a reference (next to other lines with references), especially given the subjective nature of Presidents' historical evaluations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.180.192.10 ( talk) 14:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hello can I request that you make it only for admins 2601:1C2:101:3480:1D0F:B662:4FA3:5613 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I thinnk it should be semi protected 2601:1C2:101:3480:6C4E:310B:BAB0:DE2A ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this is included in the lead sentence about the ACA? It has no context and reads quite awkwardly. Obama himself downplayed the idea of a public option after getting elected. I think it's worth mentioning later in the article that Obama initially supported a public option and that it was removed from the bill, but mentioning it like this in the lead feels awkward and irrelevant. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 00:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps split off to a separate article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 15:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, is it intended that there does not exist a single direct link to the wikipedia page of the US? If not, could we add one? FS100 ( talk) 11:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
It seems strange to me that there is no mention of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dying in Feb. 2016, Mitch McConnell announcing the same day that Senate Republicans would not consider any Obama nominee to replace Scalia, or Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland about a month later. It seems to me a mention of the events, with at least a link to the Merrick Garland page, would be appropriate. Virago2 ( talk) 22:41, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please restore the direct hatnote link to his father, as it was before this edit. 46.116.191.224 ( talk) 01:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I find it well-written and carefully sifted through personally. - Informant16 14 May 2018
Why is Barack Obama's Higher Education degrees left blank? His Masters degree in Economics? His Doctorate in Law? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.145.67 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
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President Obama was President from Jan 2008 to Jan 20, 2016. You have it at 2017. 2606:A000:4112:3800:9510:5A28:3030:CC95 ( talk) 22:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is underway at Talk:List of federal judges appointed by Donald Trump/Archive 2#Ordering of pending nominations. Interested editors may want to comment. — JFG talk 20:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
The opening sentence of the lead contains the following words: "he was the first African American to be elected to the presidency." That information should not be in the opening paragraph of the lead for several reasons. First off, the statement is confusing because "first" means that someone followed him, which is false information. Second, the fact that Obama is black is irrelevant to the presidency. The office of the president hinges on talent, character, integrity, and courage, not race. No other presidential article gives high priority to the person's country or continent of ancestry. The lead of JFK's article doesn't mention that he was the first Catholic president or first president of Irish descent.
It's OK to discuss Obama's ancestry in the text of the article but not in lead. As I just mentioned, descent and ancestry are irrelevant to the office of the president, and the issue deserves limited discussion anywhere in the article. Anthony22 ( talk) 02:06, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
The previous version of the article claimed that Obama used drone strikes "against Islamist militants". But that statement was not sourced. If you read Obama's speech on drone strikes and official policy paper, there is no reference to targetting "Islamist militants". I have added a source confirming that Obama substantially escalated the use of drone strikes, so I propose we leave it at that neutral statement. PluniaZ ( talk) 00:43, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Rehashed WP:OR. Editors' personal opinions and "logic" won't change what WP:RS say and won't override WP:EGRS. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC) |
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From the "African American" Wikipedia entry: "According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (≈95%)." [...] "In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States."
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Obummer's mother was white; his father was black. It should be indicated in the introduction that he is of mixed race/bi-racial, rather than "African-American/black." Such a claim is false, regardless of whether his father came from, or where Obummer was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.254.1.7 ( talk) 05:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Obama is mixed. He's the first mixed president. He's not an African America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Sullivan 1997 ( talk • contribs) 22:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
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Born: August 4, 1961 (age 57 years), Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, Honolulu, HI Vice president: Joe Biden (2009–2017) Trending Full name: Barack Hussein Obama II Presidential term: January 20, 2009 – January 20, 2017 Party: Democratic Party Education: Harvard Law School (1988–1991), MORE Parents: Ann Dunham, Barack Obama Sr. Jeremy1818 ( talk) 17:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Barack Obama is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Barack Obama until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America 1000 11:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
There should be mention of this controversy which many times attracted national attention, especially when openly questioned repeatedly by Donald Trump. Please include in Wikipedia. 47.201.182.47 ( talk) 13:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
A significant gaffe during the 2012 election was President Obama's hot mic incident where he was caught telling Russian President Medvedev that he will have flexibility to negotiate with Putin after the election. [1] There is no mention of that anywhere on his 2012 campaign page nor on his main page, however Mitt Romney's 47% gaffe is mentioned on both is 2012 campaign page and his main page (rightfully so as it was notable).
I propose that it gets added to the page. Dy3o2 ( talk) 06:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Obama’s statement was ambiguous and thus subject to much speculation, but it’s actual meaning remains unclear and so it’s not noteworthy here. As Bush said after being re-elected, "I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and I intend to spend it,” meaning he had more leverage to advance his agenda in Congress. meh. soibangla ( talk) 18:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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The Obama article is far from complete, especially about his presidency, and a number of topics should be included which are not, and others should be discussed at more depth. For example, missing is any mention of trading five Taliban terrorists for Army deserter Bowe Bergdahl, the IRS scandal, Pigford 2, Solyndra, record number of people on food stamps, doubling the national debt, and many other topics. JohnTopShelf ( talk) 21:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
You cannot separate Obama the person from Obama the PresidentIndeed we can, and do, just as we do with the Trump articles. Your proposed content belongs in the Presidency article, if anywhere, and if you feel that article is inadequate, you should add content. And just FYI, Cash for Clunkers was not an Obama initiative, Congress introduced it. soibangla ( talk) 22:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
"It seems criticism may be allowed under certain circumstances" Certainly, but under the limitations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:
Well, one thing that is highly relevant, and defined Obama's presidency, was his lie "If you like you doctor, you can keep your doctor". And, as commenters here have pointed out repeatedly, lying is a personality trait that rightfully belongs in an article like this. But, strangely, this statement, as important and defining as it was, is nowhere to be found in this article. Obviously, it should be included, probably in the lede.- JohnTopShelf ( talk) 21:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
The wiki page for ‘African Americans’ specifies that the term is used for American people who are “descendants of enslaved black people who are from the United States”( African Americans ( this version)). Wouldn’t it then be incorrect to call Obama African American since neither of his parents are such? BooLeigh ( talk) 17:28, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Surprised to see that the international spying scandals and Snowden are not mentioned in this article. To non-Americans such as me, this is one of the things Obama is most remembered for. Vandergay ( talk) 21:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Many of the other articles I've seen such as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton the Presidency section is almost chronological and divided into First term and Second term. Furthermore, their re-election campaigns are included in the Presidency section. Should the "Presidency" section on this article be changed to be more consistent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subkot ( talk • contribs) 14:32, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to say that Muammar Gaddafi was killed by NATO assisted forces in the introduction? I feel that it is not very relevant to the subject of the article and the sentence on Libya should simply be replaced by something like: "He ordered military involvement in Libya which contributed to the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi." DeathTrain ( talk) 23:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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change 2017 to 2016 SonofGod34 ( talk) 00:35, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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to your message to
let me know.) 00:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)"After graduating from Columbia University in 1983, he worked as a community organizer in Chicago." This implies that he was a community organizer starting in 1983, but later in the article, under Law Career/Harvard University and Community Organizer, it is said that he began work in that position in 1985. The initial statement, while essentially true, is somewhat misleading and should be clarified. (What happened between 1983 and 1985?)
This is my first-ever comment posted to Wikipedia. I apologize and ask for kind remarks about how I could have done it better, if I've run afoul of any usual practices. FourSeasonsMN ( talk) 21:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't wish to be too much of a party pooper here guys, but this article probably shouldn't continue to be classed as a Featured Article, and to that end I would propose sending it to Featured article review with a look towards de-listing. It reached FA status in 2004, a time when the standards at FA were very much lower than they are today, and four years before Obama was even elected President. It has undergone a series of FARs up to 2012, in which it has retained its status, but looking at it now, I don't think this article would have a chance in Hell of actually being appointed an FA. It relies virtually exclusively on free web sources, when really, if it wants to be among our very best content, it should be based around the content of biographies and historical studies of Obama's life and presidency. Compare it, for example, with political biography articles that have far more recently received FA-status, like Nelson Mandela and Vladimir Lenin, and you will see a clear difference in the quality of the sourcing. Are there any firm objections to this being sent to FAR? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 10:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello Mr. Obama. I am a fan and i realize that some of the information on here is false and I would love to edit it to make it more correct because you are a man worthy of an accurate Wikipedia page. Thank you, and I would love to edit for you on Wikipedia Obama69420 ( talk) 16:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Why is the "New Democrats" box set to have "People" expanded by default? Adds length that's not necessary at the lead of this highly visible article. I think, like the other sections of the "New Democrats" box, it should be hidden by default. Thoughts? Ganesha811 ( talk) 04:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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In other: Scooby Doo references Barack Obama (pronounced Rarack Robama) in an interview. Zimmeisa000 ( talk) 19:01, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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I would like to edit an incorrect statement 46.97.126.62 ( talk) 10:06, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
The sidebar lists Obama as having died November 11, 2019 (aged 0) in Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.
Unless that's been severely unreported, I think that that's false information.
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I have edited articles on Wikipedia for several years, and apparently I have not made 10 edits yet, so I cannot edit this page, and would like to ask somebody who can make edits to the Obama education section to delete information which does not relate to President Obama's education, such as discussion of the president's mother, father, stepfather, travels as a child, substance abuse, etc., and add the relevant education basics, such as the president's Columbia University and Harvard University degrees and experiences. I am nearly certain that the former president's education section at one time must have included this information. The additional information, which comprises now most of the education section, needs editing, and possibly needs additional protections put in place.
Currently the education section in this article introduces and showcases questions regarding Wikipedia's vulnerability to informational flaws and unreliability readers might want to ask themselves before visiting Wikipedia, and that is damaging to the Wikipedia reputation and brand. If you can allow me editing privileges on this page, I can write a nice education section that lends credibility to Wikipedia as an information source.
Thank you very much for considering.
BrookeinHumboldt ( talk) 08:02, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Potential error in diagram of campaign support in Illinois.
Should countries not be changed to regions?
The text says, "Results of the 2004 U.S. Senate race in Illinois; Obama won the counties in blue."
Correction, "Results of the 2004 U.S. Senate race in Illinois; Obama won the regions in blue." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:193:C500:880:E802:8234:1DB1:2B05 ( talk) 16:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Would you be so kind to use map (International trips made by President Barack Obama during his terms in office)which is in agreement with United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262: /info/en/?search=United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.90.252 ( talk) 20:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Is it worth dropping a footnote saying that an Ancestry.com study strongly suggested that President Obama's mother was descended from John Punch, an enslaved person of African descent (see [6] and [7])? SunCrow ( talk) 21:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The "External links" needs to be reviewed for possible inclusion in the article or trimming. Along with four "Official sites" there are eighteen "other" links that becomes a cultivated "link farm". Otr500 ( talk) 08:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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First and foremost, I'm not personally saying that this movement is genuine or based in fact or reason. However, due to the fact that this issue is notable enough for its very own article should we add disputed to birth place. It would look like " Honolulu, Hawaii, U.S. ( disputed)". It is not unusual to see these type of popular conspiracy theories making there way into infoboxes (see Jeffery Epstein). I'm so sorry, Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 10:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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Barack Obama is the first Mixed American president of United States Of America. 71.178.242.55 ( talk) 20:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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Though long poo-pooed by my public school teachers, Wikipedia is an increasingly-powerful purveyor of fact. Like it or not, it is the primary source to which millions of people turn to learn, refresh, and verify information. Despite fears of page vandalism, the decentralized, crowd-sourced model of authorship has worked remarkably well. As in any free market, the aggregate decisions and knowledge of the largest possible number of people converge to agglomerate the best and most thorough information available. It is nonetheless vulnerable to the biases of those who choose to participate directly in the recording of history. This group, the active authors of Barack Obama's virtual epitaph that shall God willing endure for generations, therefore bears a significant responsibility, indeed a sacred duty, to provide the facts as they are, not facts as they wish them to be nor comments on the same. For the preservation truth as much as for the preservation of the reputation and credibility of Wikipedia itself, we must strive not to pontificate or editorialize, but to state plainly, offering only minimal assessment where absolutely necessary.
This page is excessively hagiographic. The concluding sentence of the fourth paragraph, "During his term in office, America's reputation abroad significantly improved," does not even attempt objectivity. Failing to even consider taking the long view of history, this sentence is both an unnecessary detail and a subjective assessment of the sentiments of an extremely diffuse set of people around the world, which its author cannot possible know and would only include if he actively sought to praise the subject. Indeed, the citation links to an editorial from a newspaper known to have a center-left editorial stance, and therefore a paper invested in the success of President Obama as well as one that has, since Obama's departure from the White House, demonstrated a consistent editorial preoccupation with opposition to his successor. The editorial itself is chiefly interested in criticism of President Trump and praise for his predecessor. This sentence should go, for a start.
The preceding sentence similarly betrays a clear center-left political orientation. In discussing his nominations to the Supreme Court, the article states that "Obama nominated three justices to the Supreme Court: Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan were confirmed as justices, while Merrick Garland faced partisan obstruction and was not confirmed." Opposition to the nomination of Merrick Garland is characterized as "partisan obstruction," an old and tired talking point of the Democratic Party intended to dismissively paint political opposition to Obama's nominees due to qualifications, ideology, or the manner of the nomination as some unreasonable injustice. Political opposition to Presidential nominees is common and ought to be encouraged in a free society that welcomes debate, criticism, and scrutiny of the current holder of the high office, and Wikipedia must strive to present what is or was being argued, not cavalierly discount one side of a contentious political debate. The author of this sentence was not even possessed of the decency to offer a citation for this portrayal. I suggest amending the sentence to "Obama nominated three justices to the Supreme Court: Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan were confirmed as justices while Democrats held the majority in the Senate, but Merrick Garland's nomination was blocked by Republicans when they held the majority."
I also believe that an addition should be made to the final paragraph noting that Obama has faced criticism for specific policies and stances. I of course agree that it should be noted he is ranked favorably by historians and the public, but it ought to be noted that his popularity was not universal and his policies not uniformly successful. Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston Churchill are both greater men than he who triumphed in times of greater challenge, and their Wikipedia entries mention that, while highly regarded, they also have been criticized for Japanese internment and support of imperialism, respectively. Obama admittedly exceeded his constitutional powers in establishing DACA, failed to achieve robust economic growth despite (or perhaps because of) his Keynesian economic policies, and saw rival powers Iran, Russia, and China emboldened by his failure to enforce red lines in Syria. More extralegal drone killings occurred during his administration than any other. More illegal immigrants were deported during his administration than any other. Members of his administration working in the IRS targeted his political rivals to prevent them from fundraising effectively. The man was not without controversy, so at least some of these should make the opening paragraph of his Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerwin1854 ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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In the summary box, the links for "Malia" and "Sasha" redirect to pages off Wikipedia (to Gyaanipedia). They should direct toward the page /info/en/?search=Family_of_Barack_Obama#Malia_and_Sasha_Obama Darjeelingblend ( talk) 15:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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ok i need to make a few changes to change every thing to past tense if you dont mind Dartsspurt ( talk) 15:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
"In May 2020, Obama criticised President Trump for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic,calling his response to the crisis "an absolute chaotic disaster".Trump reacted by retweeting Twitter posts which accused Obama of targeting incoming officials and sabotaging the Trump administration in the last weeks of his presidency and by calling this endeavour "the biggest political crime in American history"[sic]"
There is no misspelling in the quote that would warrant the use of sic Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 10:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Discussion can be found here. Casprings ( talk) 16:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
This article, like all BLPs, is a biography of the subject's whole life and career, and its intro is a summary of the major, notable events in his life. We do not write BLPs with an eye to having balance with what another article includes, or to reflect the "zeitgeist" of the times. Adding something to the intro of his biography about some protests is inappropriate, especially given the thinness of the linked article and does indeed give it much greater weight than is warranted. The article on his presidency would be a possible place for this, if that, but not here. As far as the Trump biography is concerned, the protests that met his inauguration, for example, have been much more significant than these, and that linked article commensurately much more detailed and comprehensive - but that's a decision to be made by the editors of that biography. Here so far two different editors have reverted the addition, and it should not be added again unless consensus were to be reached to include it, as that is edit warring and not allowed. Always willing to discuss - but here, not in edit summaries. Please stop adding it. Tvoz/ talk 02:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
What is the religion of former American president Barack Obama? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohail345 ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
How is this even controversial? I changed the BO bio to "first black president of the HLR" from "first black head of the HLR". "Head" is an ambiguous term and not accurate. Someone then reverted my entry saying, "no HLR has an editor, not a president". That is not true, the HLR has both. President Obama was the President of the HLR, not the Editor. That is an easily verified fact.
Scottca075 ( talk) 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC) [1]
Is it me or the following sentence (2nd in the article) would make more sense if it was prefixed by As or Being?
"A member of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama was the first African-American president of the United States."
If this article wasn't semi-protected, I'd edit it myself.
From the intro:
I doubt this claim which is merely supported by a single source that requires subscription for the full article. What I can read is the "60% positive views" statement in the first paragraph while as far as I know anti-Americanism existed at the same level (refer to those tables that list out the ratings by country - all surveys done during Obama's presidency), if not higher in China (for his Trans-Pacific Partnership) & the Philippines (whose president publicly used the "f word" to the US president at the time), let alone Russia and North Korea. Presumably, The Washington Post has their own bias (or double standards), especially if that's in the opinion column. In dialogue with PanVoyager 04:35 Sunday, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
If you don't like it, change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.53.232.146 ( talk) 17:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
I propose the following caption for the infobox: "Official portrait, 2012". I think it would only benefit readers -- currently, it is unclear when the portrait was taken during his presidency, and his appearance changed significantly over those 8 years). An alternative choice is "Obama in 2012". Thoughts? — Goszei ( talk) 07:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
The AP style guide has removed the hyphen this year in African American and other hyphenated dual identities. AP tackles language about race in this year’s style guide Columbia Journalism Review Why has this article not followed this practice? I thought Wikipedia followed the AP style guide, but no? I was reverted when I tried to change it. Thanks, Krok6kola ( talk) 13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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please change ((Francois Hollande)) to ((François Hollande)) 98.239.227.65 ( talk) 12:13, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Gatedais:, thanks, but I can read. I suggest reading the FAQ at the top of this page to understand why your change is inappropriate. Acalamari 14:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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Obama has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers. (This is almost identical to a statement on Donald Trump's Wikipedia page.) Fact-checker source is https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=barack-obama
I believe this should be added to Obama's page to even out the egregious and obvious bias of Wikipedia contributors/editors. Alexanderth3hgr8 ( talk) 02:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
in special:diff/982279214 it was requested by user:cullen328 I pursue consensus before restoring the section.
template:infobox officeholder does not include an explanation of all it's sections (including this one) so template:infobox person can be useful there. It explains:
This much is true since only Obama's American citizenship can be inferred by his birthplace. He has has in the past had bloodline nationality (if not necessarily citizenship.. blurred lines) citizenship in Britain/Kenya/Commonwealth during his youth which all expired due to him not renouncing American citizenship (Kenyan citizenship automatically lost if you don't renounce, don't allow dual citizenship).
I'm thinking cullen328 could be objecting because I might have misclassified BPP as citizenship when it might've been more appropriate as 'nationality' since BPP were subject to British jurisdiction and protection but did not have voting rights AFAIK. Same might be true of Commonwealth Citizenship since CW members don't vote in leaders of commonwealth but enjoy protections. I don't know where it would fall in Kenyan terms. If it's about voting rights then arguably children don't become citizens until voting age, until then they would effectively nationals. WakandaQT ( talk) 05:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
How is it that this article does not even mention the war crimes committed by Obama in Afghanistan and the criticism of the internationally illegal drone strike program that bombed and murderered a tremendous amount of civilians? This is quite an incredible amount of whitewashing. PailSimon ( talk) 11:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Someone vandalized Obama’s middle name again. 2601:643:380:5040:28FC:239E:51A2:87EC ( talk) 00:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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I find that saying B.H.O 2, is ... African-American ... is very misleading, and not far from Manipulation,
First, the meaning of the denomination : African-American, hence in the USA, is not the fact of having African blood while being American,
Otherwise ... I let you guess the consequences and "the getting out of hand" of many cases and situations,
It means being the descendant of the Africans brought to "America" centuries ago to be slaves. It is "a situation" not just a name or an adjective.
No more, no less.
Hence the very long and horrible story that they lived, without forgetting the "left overs" ... the fact that there are still African-Americans suffering from racism and discrimination, yes at a lesser degree, but still existing so the suffering still exists.
Colin Powell, Martin Luther King and Tom Bradley, as an example, are African-Americans, hence if in a speech or campaign, they say, or the media says; He is the 1st African-American president of the united states, WITH All what that means:
The HUGE and gigantic step forward of the USA toward the eradication of any type discrimination toward African-Americans, AND a final and very respectable message to the other countries saying, USA is over with those dark ages.
The tremendous pride and satisfaction that every African-American will feel, saying to him self, finally! we ARE, and "the same" too !
So my point is, saying that B.H.O 2 is African-American, is a manipulation of words, to put him as a favorite toward African-Americans, and a lie to say that finally an African-American got to the presidency in the USA.
My "speech" might be very rude toward B.H.O 2, but it is even "ruder" to lie to a whole planet including your own fellow citizen.
So please, correct your "wikipedia" pages and the likes, I am, too, allergic to B.S. .
Rémi E.
PS: feel free to argue about Powell's case/example, even if you will be right, it wont change a thing about the principal subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.159.254.130 ( talk) 18:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
It means being the descendant of the Africans brought to "America" centuries ago to be slaves.No, not true. As our page on African Americans says, African Americans are
are an ethnic group of Americans with total or partial ancestry from any of the black racial groups of Africa.His father is from Kenya and his mother is from Kansas, so he is quite literally "African American". – Muboshgu ( talk) 18:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
My dear Friend, those information are NONO-NOGO, they are untrue, written by manipulators, you and me belong to one of the rare species that has the "intelligence" to Lie, for X or Y reason, it could be for bad reasons, it could be for good reasons, it is a fact, it is so true, that it is actually one of the millions ways of Surviving.(even parents lie to their kids for good reasons some times)
So tell me, you, how would differentiate a "black" US citizen, as belonging to who SUFFERED the EXTREME violence of: being chased and trapped like animals in Africa, then parked like animals in western African Ports, transferred into slave ships by the Atlantic, where they were thrown like trash overboard when food/water was too low for the crew ? and who arriving to America ended up as pure merchandise just a little bit more important that a donkey or a caw ? Those Africans that suffered segregation until like 50/60 years ago ?
From Africans (race wise) that "came" from Africa ? in our example, B.H.O 2nd is actually the worse case ever, because his father was a "rich" African, do I have to go further ? Do I have to explain the point of view of Islam toward slavery ?
Do I have to repeat that, B.H.O 2nd, his ancestors and descendants, the "three" of them never suffered or will suffer the thousand'th of what suffered THE African-Americans thru history ?
To open your eyes, I defy anyone to show me a sincere intervention of the NAACP in regards of a problem toward an African immigrant.
And to finish up, I may offend you by telling you that you, fell quite easily in the trap, the trap is called: Technically.
Yes technically he is an African and American, but as I said, THE African-American is a historical thing, not just a tag like: "made in USA" stamped on some stuff assembled from non US parts ... Do you see my point ?
And that's how "he" "got" you, I will unfortunately use the word Hypocrisy, I never forgot a very sad scene were a young man asked him: will you legalize cannabis ?
the answer of B.H.O 2nd was "yeah" like he was making a deal with his homie ...
After election, he refused to legalize it -- lying to get elected AND to an Afro-American man, while pretending he is AA, so "one of them" .
(out of subject: and look at who did legalize the cannabis lately? isn't ironic?)
Miss, Madam or Sir are you Afro-American ?
Saying AA's are an ethnic group of Americans is just ridiculous scientifically,
Never forget: "white" Americans are Caucasians (the "white" race) from Europe, AA's are Africans (the "black" race) from Africa ... The Americans are what you commonly call the natives, are an ethnic group of the Caucasians -- I am of course talking about the Natives-Americans, the "Indians".
Talk to you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.159.254.130 ( talk) 20:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
In Obama's infobox, the "from Illinois" part of the U.S. Senator from Illinois section links to List of United States senators from Illinois. Should this be changed to link to the state of Illinois to maintain consistency with all other senator's pages? 2601:88:8101:E300:D1DC:42A8:C4BA:3D48 ( talk) 03:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all. I added this to the page under the above heading which has now been removed under dubious pretences:
Obama's immigration policy has been criticised as 'the harshest and largest immigration enforcement regime in American history.' [1] Under the Obama administration, it is reported that between 2009 and 2015, a total of 2.5 million people were deported, [2] at a rate above 385,000 between 2009 - 2011 with the highest level of deportations reaching 409,849 in 2012. [3] There was also controversy over the usage of 'Cages That House Immigrant Children at U.S.-Mexico Border' which were first built and used under his term in office. [4]
According to @ Snooganssnoogans: it 'pushes a false narrative about Obama implementing the family separation policy.' - Although I'm not sure how, as it is a fact that his administration created the cages and no where in the section did I state that Obama was linked directly to the term 'family separation policy' - the source addresses this and one part states: 'Thomas Homan (who was director of removal operations at ICE under President Obama). Homan had said during a June 21, 2019, panel discussion hosted by the anti-immigration advocacy group Center for Immigration Studies that “‘The kids are being [housed] in the same facility built under the Obama administration. If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages, then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”
From how I understand it, the cages were built within facilities, with the adults being close to them and reunited quickly after checks. It's not a pretty part of human history, but I wonder if this is a politically motivated removal of facts that even for me were quite the revelation at first to think Obama would do such a thing. Anyway, 'feelings' aside, I wonder if there is consensus as to how my original text could be improved please. For the record, I am not American and don't prefer any US president over any other...well I always had a soft spot for Kennedy. Anyway, Thanks in advance. Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 13:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi again, It's been over a week and you cannot justify your revert and your own talk page is marred with similar accusations and is disturbingly riddled with the similar pattern of reverting facts that you can not allow due to disagreeing with it. I have re-written the part since your revert was clearly politically motivated and I have also asked two other wiki editor who seem more objective to weigh in on this matter as, I am sorry but I do not trust your reasons for reverting due to your talk page. Thanks. Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 12:41, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Do you think that wiki articles should only be defined by 'mainstream' sources?, the answer to which is unquestionably "yes". If you are unable to identify reliable sources on your own, you may wish to check Wikipedia:Reliable sources. ValarianB ( talk) 17:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/obamas-mixed-legacy-immigration
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661 https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/enforcement-actions https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/
In essence, anything remotely political on Wikipedia is indeed subject to instant removal by an army of pro-Left editors. Only pro-Left material can remain on Wikipedia, and nobody who isn't pro-Left should even bother editing or improving any article. For examaple, Obama was actually one of the elected members of the law review, and he didn't get on due to his scholarship, but if that entirely accurate change were made it would be instantly branded vandalism and removed. That is why Wikipedia is also called "Liberalpedia." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 ( talk) 03:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
IMO, more recent official portrait (crossed arms) better. Both are fine per MOS:LEADIMAGE, but newer prez-pic makes sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 07:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I think that it would be more appropriate to use his first term portrait instead of the current one in use from his second term. I think it makes more sense, as the current one has too much of a distracting background, whereas the first term version focuses on the President's face. Additionally, the first term portrait is more in line with the style of other presidential portraits, with the simple background including only flags. Thoughts? Fireandblood02 ( talk) 23:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Why does the information about the Hiroshima speech violates WP:LEAD? The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are one of the most significant events in the 20th century, and the first visit of the sitting US president is a historic moment, which was also widely covered by observers and the international media.-- WEBDuB ( talk) 10:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Would it really have been 2009, that he would have won the prize? Would he have this on his document? (Couldn't it rather be something like 2011 or 2012?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.144.209.94 ( talk) 15:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I raised several concerns about this article in the last week of November 2020. No meaningful response here from any editor. On December 23, all those questions were archived. This is a hagiography. To anyone whose only exposure to Barack Obama is this article, one would think he has never been the subject of any real criticism from anyone to the right of Joe Manchin. A quick comparison with other presidents' biographies, including Donald Trump and George W. Bush, reveals abundant criticism from political opponents. Don't tell me to go away and edit those articles. Let's make this article consistent with those articles. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 ( talk) 01:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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help page).Could someone who is able to edit photos crop and edit the photo so that only Obama, the guy in the left (his teacher), and the childhood statue of him remains? I cropped it so that only he and his statue appears, but I think it is better to include his old teacher too. I could have asked this in the photography lab, but there are much more watchers here. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
The use of the phrase "served as" to describe a politician's term of office is non-neutral euphemistic puffery. Some people may think a politician is serving, while others think the politician is the one being served. It is much more straightforward and factual to simply say that Mr. Obama was the 44th POTUS than to say he served as the 44th POTUS. My edit to use neutral language (found here) was rapidly reverted by someone who accurately noted that similar non-neutral phrasing is used in other articles. But the fact that this phrase may be used in a lot of other similar articles is not a good justification for using it; that is just an observation that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This puffery should be removed from all of them. — BarrelProof ( talk) 05:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Forgive me, I am not an experienced Wikipedia editor. I am an experienced newspaper editor and reporter, however, and while I don't join with the details offered by the previous editor addressing this issue, I share that person's concern that relative to the pages of other past U.S. Presidents, this entry is unbalanced. Low points of the Obama administration are couched, mentioned in passing or elided altogether. 1. the discussion of the "red line" in Syria offers a clear example: the red line is mentioned in a clause buried in a sentence that's otherwise about Obama's ultimate success in depriving Assad of chemical weapons: "Obama chose not to enforce the "red line" he had pledged[425] and, rather than authorize the promised military action against Assad, went along with the Russia-brokered deal that led to Assad giving up chemical weapons; however attacks with chlorine gas continued...." As you can see, the assertion about chem weapons doesn't even survive the sentence (chlorine gas is a chemical weapon.) More to the point, this incident is considered by many -- including many members of the Administration and even Sec. of State John Kerry -- to be a major low-point of the Obama years and a setback for American influence. 2. Obama's relations with Congressional Democrats and Republicans alike were toxic and sometimes hostile. Unmentioned here. 3. The "bowing" controversy. Again, not included. 4. The wide critique of the entire Arab Spring approach 5. Crimea.
For point of comparison, I'd point to the pages of Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden. Both give extensive attention to the controversies and perceived missteps of their subjects.
Bias and the process around it are the work of a lifetime in publishing, so it's no slight at all to the hard work that's gone into this page, but for whatever reason, Obama's page stands out among those of his peers. Not going all the way to hagiography, but...I don't think the original poster on this issue was too far off. 173.48.104.21 ( talk) 09:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC) Ragnar, ragnarcarlson@gmail.com
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The last sentence in Section 3.2 "Domestic Policy" inaccurately states that, during his 2011 State of the Union Address, President Obama:
"promised the United States would have one million electric vehicles on the road by 2015 and be 80% reliant on "clean" electricity."
President Obama did not promise that the U.S. would be 80% reliant on clean energy by 2015. The actual language from that Address was:
"Now, clean energy breakthroughs will only translate into clean energy jobs if businesses know there will be a market for what they’re selling. So tonight, I challenge you to join me in setting a new goal: By 2035, 80 percent of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources."
See https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/01/25/remarks-president-state-union-address; see also /info/en/?search=2011_State_of_the_Union_Address ("Expenses": bullet point 3)
Setting a goal of the U.S. being 80% reliant on clean energy sources by 2035 is not a "promise" that it would be by 2015. Lightcar ( talk) 02:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to replace the current pronunciation audio file with a much higher quality and louder file. NickRobbins13 ( talk) 08:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I think the caption under the infobox image should simply say ″2012 portrait″ instead of ″Official portrait, 2012″. Having the word "official" in there is in my opinion quite redundant, because we can clearly see that Obama is posing in a formal manner. – Roopeank ( talk) 23:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Could we have some opinions at the above article please. Specifically, are the ancestry charts starting at permalink desirable? See the article history. Johnuniq ( talk) 00:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
While I don't think this should be added to the main article, this info should be added to one of the sub articles on foreign policy of Obama https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-drone-strikes/. X-Editor ( talk) 06:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Can we bring up a source/ref from the lower text to justify the last sentence above the contents block - this one:
"Obama's presidency has generally been regarded favorably, and evaluations of his presidency among historians, political scientists, and the general public frequently place him among the upper tier of American presidents."
I'm sure it's sourced later on, and I'm not sure what's protocol, but it looks questionable without a reference (next to other lines with references), especially given the subjective nature of Presidents' historical evaluations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.180.192.10 ( talk) 14:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hello can I request that you make it only for admins 2601:1C2:101:3480:1D0F:B662:4FA3:5613 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I thinnk it should be semi protected 2601:1C2:101:3480:6C4E:310B:BAB0:DE2A ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this is included in the lead sentence about the ACA? It has no context and reads quite awkwardly. Obama himself downplayed the idea of a public option after getting elected. I think it's worth mentioning later in the article that Obama initially supported a public option and that it was removed from the bill, but mentioning it like this in the lead feels awkward and irrelevant. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 00:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps split off to a separate article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 15:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)