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Wanting to get some input here about what should be done regarding double-length episode of Total DramaRama. Both the first season and second season have had at least one double-length (30 min.) episode, being "Camping is In Tents" (currently listed as S1 E41) and most recently, "Dissing Cousins" (currently listed as S2 E16). Sources being used such as Futon Critic and Zap2it both list both of these episodes as one double-length episode, not two separate normal-length episodes (Futon Critic giving "Camping is In Tents" production code 'V141' and "Dissing Cousins" 'V216-30'). Viewership-wise, Showbuzz Daily gives the viewership for both episodes as one 30-minute episode ( Here Archived 2019-05-29 at the Wayback Machine for "Camping", here Archived 2020-06-03 at the Wayback Machine for "Dissing").
There's recently been an IP over on the talk page discussing and giving sources that seem to point towards the episodes in question being listed as two separate episodes. I don't want to put too much info here, but you can see the sources they've provided on that talk page. There are also some other points to make towards this, such as Cartoon Network listing "Dissing Cousins" by their two separate parts on their website ( Part 1, part 2). However, two things to point out from that- being that A. the credits for both parts of "Dissing Cousins" are the same (Written by: Miles Smith, Directed by: Keith Oliver & George Elliot) and that B. only "Dissing Cousins" is listed by the two separate parts, "Camping is In Tents" is listed as one full-length episode on the Cartoon Network website.
With all these different sources in mind (again, see the Total DramaRama talk page discussion for the sources suggesting they should be separate as two parts/episodes), what would be the best way to go about this? I remember seeing a discussion in the past about a double-length/two separate episodes, and found it again tonight, regarding Blood & Treasure, maybe that discussion could help a bit here? I dunno.
Finally, wanting to note that I am entirely open to splitting these episodes up and listing them as two parts in the episode tables. Just not entirely sure when there's quite a few sources supporting both sides of this... Any help is appreciated, thanks. Magitroopa ( talk) 05:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
We could use more opinions on this [1] content, discussion on talk at Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Controversial_statements. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm also sceptical that TRT Ertugrul Ghazi by PTV merits a separate article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#MOS:PLOTSOURCE and WP:PRIMARY. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 02:39, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Doom Patrol (TV series)#HBO Max. — YoungForever (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Template:Infobox reality talent competition has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox reality competition season. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Guidelines about the narrator. — YoungForever (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
After the success of this limited series, a second season was ordered for an entirely different story with new characters (The Haunting of Bly Manor). In view of this development, an RfC is underway to determine the structure of the original article (now first season) and additional season @ Talk:The Haunting of Hill House (TV series)#RFC. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 07:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on this. An IP address has repeatedly adding an episode summary to a yet to air episode. Last time I checked this is still considered be WP:OR and falls under WP:NOTCRYSTAL. — YoungForever (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
There is discussion on whether the new article Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe should be name changed. Feel free to discuss on talk page. Jhenderson 777 17:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm planning to revamp TV programs on "List of programs broadcast by [TV channel]" articles such as List of programs broadcast by Seoul Broadcasting System per https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga&oldid=927392783, because I noticed series without own articles are listed even if they're not notable. I also want to add that a secondary source should be used for non-article series. CuteDolphin712 ( talk) 18:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Is Africa (series) a TV series or a film? The article text and categories left me confused. -- Gonnym ( talk) 23:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Someone has proposed that the 2020–21 United States network television schedule article be removed. True, it's not encyclopedic content in the traditional sense. But that's no reason to delete the article. As the WikiProject indicates, the article provides information about television in a more modern way rather than a traditional encyclopedia in which it would never be included. I personally find the article very helpful information. The person proposing deletion claims it's not neutral because it only includes the five major non-cable networks. There's absolutely no bias in the content itself and the fact that only those five networks are included doesn't make it unfair.
I feel the person proposing deletion is more or less disgruntled for no good reason about an article that hurts absolutely no one but would upset people like me if it's deleted.
PLEASE KEEP THE ARTICLE POSTED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craig21208 ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Update: The AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020–21 United States network television schedule has been WP:SNOW closed. And based on that discussion, I have moved the 2021–22 article to Draft:2021–22 United States network television schedule. I would advise that some of us watchlist 2021–22 United States network television schedule as that article should not be recreated for months... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 04:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm updating an old reality TV show which had 10 proper episodes, 2 compilation episodes which consisted of the best bits from those 10 episodes, and 1 introductory episode which introduced you to the people who were going to be on the show.
So how many episodes should I say it has, and how should I write it in the number of episodes section of the infobox?
etc
Danstarr69 ( talk) 06:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Danstarr69 ( talk) 03:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, the article for Squirm is nominated for Featured Article. While its relation to television is kind of flimsy, I hope to get more eyes onto the nomination, which would be much appreciated. The nomination can be found here. GamerPro64 01:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Input requested at this list article, which presumably would cover 4,500+ episodes. (Ack.) Not sure if there is a way this could be presented productively. The author has submitted for review but continues to add to the draft which is quite incomplete at present. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 22:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Love Life (American TV series)#About the narrator. This discussion is about where and how to include the narrator in the particular TV series. — YoungForever (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Months ago i merge List of programs broadcast by Star Jalsha with Star Jalsha. The main article (Star Jalsha) isn't big enough & there is no reason for a separate page. However it was reverted by User:Noobie anonymous. Is it necessary to split a page when main article is almost empty? Please advice. -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 21:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lenox Hill (TV series)#Yet to release episode with reliable source. Since when did including episode titles, release dates, and etc. on episode table when it is reliably sourced is considered to be WP:CRYSTAL? Editors are needed to weigh in on this. — YoungForever (talk) 02:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in American television. Wikipedical ( talk) 21:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC).
With the increase of series being moved and appearing on FX on Hulu, I'm wonder how this should be handled in the respective series articles so we can form consistency and clarity. If you're unaware of what FX on Hulu is, the official description is: "FX on Hulu is a dedicated hub on Hulu where you can access acclaimed and award-winning FX Networks series, as well as new FX Original Series (after episodes air on FX and FXX) and FX Originals that stream exclusively on Hulu." It's essentially FX-produced series that are being distributed by Hulu instead of airing on their own network. So, do we simply refer to the "network" as being Hulu, or do use FX on Hulu? If you look at Devs (a FX on Hulu series), we're using the phrase "Hulu (via FX on Hulu)"; is this too clunky? Because I feel simply referring to it as just Hulu is wrong because it makes no distinction between 100% Hulu originals like The Handmaid's Tale.
Other things to consider and take note of:
Thoughts on this? Thanks. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 16:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
main article, which are you referring to? The potential new FX on Hulu article (not yet created) or List of original programs distributed by Hulu? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 22:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Drovethrughosts, IJBall, and YoungForever: Is anyone opposed to making the infobox, category, and Hulu template changes at this time? I feel like the page might be a task that would eventually happen, but the three things I mentioned could happen now. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#RFC on including disambiguators in category names. – Fayenatic London 09:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if this conversation has been had before, but I believe it's a necessary one given we're now in 2020 and I feel our standard way of listing television ratings in articles is becoming outdated. Given that advertising for US shows is based on C3 and C7 viewership (viewers who watched commercials on DVR for a show up to 3 or 7 days after original air date) and many networks have switched to only referring/basing stuff on DVR viewership (I believe Fox switched to only looking at L+7 a few years ago and ABC now only reports L+3 data in its ratings press releases on WDTV Press), I'm wondering whether (if sources are available of course) we should consider:
I wanted to gain some consensus on this as it would affect many articles. We don't have to go back and redo everything, but if the source exists, and the TV show debuts like in fall 2020 or something, we start doing so. I think this is something we should seriously consider. I believe the UK uses DVR data too, and even online viewership (Outlets here don't really report that but I'm saying other countries' TV show articles have also moved away from simple live viewership). Numeris in Canada has also only reported Live+7 data since 2014-ish. Heartfox ( talk) 20:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The article on the Star Parivaar Awards has been nominated for deletion. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Not the right spot. |
Hi all, I posted this on the Virgin Media One Talk page but I feel it might get more of a response here. I am looking to update the viewing share for the Irish channels (Virgin Media One, Virgin Media Two, Virgin Media Three, RTÈ One, RTÈ 2, TG4 and EirSport 1) using TAM Nielsen data from 2019. However, I have a Conflict of Interest. I made some slight amends to Virgin Media Television and Virgin Media One (apologies, I should have raised a Conflict of Interest on those too). Seeing as I want to do it across all channels, I'm hoping to get a consensus to go ahead. DarkerDai ( talk) 23:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello. CAT:NN now has a backlog of almost 12 years. There is a backlog of over 1000 just on Television, see [2]. We are desperate for anyone with knowledge and interest on this topic to help reduce the backlog. Thanks, Boleyn ( talk) 14:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox television#Inspired by parameter. This is a proposal to add a parameter to the Infoxbox television template. — YoungForever (talk) 13:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
|inspired_by=
, it is now an optional parameter on the
Template:Infobox television. —
YoungForever
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04:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Tucker Carlson Tonight which may interest followers of this project, concerning whether or not to include information about Carlson's head writer in the article. JimKaatFan ( talk) 11:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I am asking for a third opinion regarding the merger discussion happening in this article Talk:List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN#Merger proposal (July 2020). TheHotwiki ( talk) 19:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I asked about subslikescript.com at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems, and the opinion of Moneytrees, an administrator who works extensively with copyright issues, is that the links should be removed. I wanted to let WikiProject Television know, as you're perhaps more likely than most editors to see it or similar script websites in articles you're working on. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea ( talk) 19:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the article Emy Teledrama I think the title of the program is just "Emy" and "Teledrama" is just disambiguation. If that's correct it should be moved to have parenthetical disambiguation, but I'm unfamiliar with the naming conventions in this area so I don't know what disambiguator would be correct. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Article_contains_irrelevant/unsourced_information For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
In an article's lede, how do you normally indicate that the starring lineup has changed? Example: Aladdin - Naam Toh Suna Hoga. The show originally starred Siddharth Nigam and Avneet Kaur. Kaur was replaced by Ashi Singh. Current language reads:
Does that change to:
Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 17:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on this article. An editor has been repeatedly adding a Twitter post and Youtube link from unverified accounts. Per WP:RSP, they are not reliable sources if they are posted from unverified accounts (that is without the verification badge). — YoungForever (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
This person has made a number of pointless edits and a smaller number of destructive edits, mostly to articles related to British and American TV shows. There are also some other edits. Knowing very little about TV, I don't want to evaluate the worth of these edits (mere speculation? complete fiction). Over to you. (I'm not watching this talk page.) -- Hoary ( talk) 02:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
The "X creation list" articles ( seasons, episodes, characters) at the end of the to-do list are not being used for clean-up. Aside from one edit in March 2018, none of them have been updated since 2017. Should they be cleared, or should I just take them to MfD? – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 08:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to an RfC about determining when a television series has ended. See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Television#RfC:_On_determining_series_end_dates. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 08:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but I did just now: TV by the Numbers has now vanished from the web... tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com now redirects to tvlistings.zap2it.com. Time to find all those Wayback Machine links if they haven't already been added lol! Heartfox ( talk) 04:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
I attempted to do this as an RfC, but other users objected to it as premature, non-neutral, and too long. There was previous discussion at Template talk:Infobox television, but I decided that venue was too narrow because this discussion also applies to categorization. Thus, I am re-attempting this discussion here to build proposals for another RfC.
Normally, when a series is cancelled or ended, we list the end date as when the final episode was aired/released. But sometimes, a show is taken off the air with no word about its fate. (This is common in children's television.) Under current practices, we presume a series to have ended if no new episodes have aired in over a year and it has not been officially renewed (the same criteria used by The Futon Critic). The end date is listed in the infobox and the page is added to the appropriate subcategory of Category:Television series endings by year, but we do not list it on a (YEAR) in (COUNTRY) television page. (This convention is not currently mentioned at MOS:TV.)
Said decision was made at Infobox television's talk in July 2014. The consensus was to adopt The Futon Critic's criteria to avoid questionable listings of programs as currently in production, but there were unaddressed concerns that it is impossible to make any judgment without violating WP:OR. In particular, one participant noted that it contradicts previous consensus.
Unfortunately, the convention has led to controversy; the previous discussion mentions such a dispute at Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, which was cancelled quietly in 2012. In a more recent case, The Amazing World of Gumball last aired a new episode on June 24, 2019 and has not been renewed, so it satisfies the "presumed ending" criteria. (The spinoff miniseries, Darwin's Yearbook, aired later, but it doesn't count.) However, various users (including myself) have objected to this because like SMFA, the series has also not been confirmed to be canceled. It didn't help that the matter was already controversial from the day the possible finale was announced. Arguments over Gumball's status and end date (see the page history) is the main reason why the show's article was protected recently.
That's why I'm calling to reassess this rule (and incorporate it in MOS). – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Heads up, there's an anon editor who's going around convering templated {{ Series overview}} tables to raw wikicode, so that they can split seasons up into what they perceive as separate parts of a season. 51.171.113.150 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and their edits can be seen here, here, here. Keep an eye out? Cheers. -- / Alex/ 21 13:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, just a notice that there is an open peer review for Game of Thrones, see Wikipedia:Peer review/Game of Thrones/archive4. All feedback and comments are welcome to improve the article. Thank you! -- LuK3 (Talk) 20:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
This is a little bit of a hypothetical question, but I've been having the following thought. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has just announced its series finale will be two episodes ( press release text at the top of the preceding episode's release stating such, and the episode titles/listing in question), but they do not have the same name with a Part 1/2 situation. The first episode is titled "The End is at Hand", while the second is "What We’re Fighting For". I'm anticipating the articles for these episodes and I have a feeling there's the potential for info released about them to simply group the two episodes together, which in my eyes would necessitate one article for both episodes. If that is the case, what would said article be called? I've had experience a bit in the past with Inhumans premiere (which was the IMAX presentation of the first two broadcast episodes, with separate names), so I was thinking Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series finale could be a possibility. But taking a wider approach where multiple episodes in any instance do not occur at the beginning or end of seasons/series where "premiere"/"finale" wording could be use, what would title options be? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
That's not true. "Inhumans (premiere)" just means that the episode is about the "Inhumans". Once you click it you'll realize that it's not the official name. Where at WP:NCTV do you see your example of "Inhumans premiere" actually get used as an example? The point of it is, "Inhumans premiere" isn't the title either, which is what you are suggesting. That would be like linking to Bart the Genius. That is the title of that episode. When you don't disambiguate with "(premiere" or "(series finale)" you are insinuating that it is the actual title of the episode. That is why you see "(season 1)" and so forth. There isn't a season name. So, we default to what the show is, "Agents of Shield", and then disambiguate it from the parent article by pointing out that it is "(season 1)" of that show. Hence, because we are merging 2 episode articles into 1 article, and there is not a single name for those 2 articles, we then resort to a base name "Agents of Shield" or "Inhumans" and then disambiguate it with "(series finale)"/"(premiere)". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
That is why you see "(season 1)"is actually a complete misinterpretation of disambiguation, but. Continuing on from the previous paragraph and using another example, with The Flash (2014 TV series) and The Flash (season 1), the current setup implies that these are two separate media entities: a 2014 TV series titled The Flash, and a Season 1 titled The Flash. That is not the case. However, that is not what this discussion is about, and should be taken to NCTV. We digress. -- / Alex/ 21 15:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on Close Enough, Search Party (TV series), and Doom Patrol (TV series). An editor have been repeatedly changing the main articles of television series images to promo posters of the current seasons. Per MOS:TVIMAGE, the title card is preferred and more appropriate for the main articles of television series. Season promo posters are meant for season articles. It is also common practice to use title cards or logos for main articles of television series, especially TV series that have multiple seasons. — YoungForever (talk) 23:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Recently, I came across
The Umbrella Academy (TV series) has been split into individual episode articles. Per
Wikipedia:Article splitting (television)
WP:SPLIT,
WP:SUMMARY,
WP:SPINOUT,
WP:LENGTH
Wikipedia:Article splitting (television) still applies to individual episode pages. Can editors who are familiar with television article splitting, specifically on individual episode articles give an input on this? I looked over the individual episode articles, none of them consist of enough information to warrant their own articles, except for the pilot episode. The rest just contain a plot, production about the names of writer(s) and director(s), and reception from one critic. —
YoungForever
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14:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
The rest just contain a plot, production about the names of writer(s) and director(s), and reception from one critic.No viewing figures for each episode at all. — YoungForever (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
contain a plot, production about the names of writer(s) and director(s), and reception from one critic, except the pilot episode. The pilot episode is only one the meets the guidelines of a standalone episode article.— YoungForever (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
real world content to accompanythe standalone episode articles. — YoungForever (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Note: The user involved, Some Dude From North Carolina ( talk · contribs), also created articles for the episodes of Freelancers and some episodes of The Amazing World of Gumball and Darwin's Yearbook. The user has been warned about this misconduct and it is recommended that they be closely monitored; continued violations of GNG should be reported to WP:ANI. The following AfD's are relevant here:
– LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/iGoodbye. This is an AFD for a similar situation as the discussion above and the AFDs from two weeks ago. -- / Alex/ 21 02:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC) -- / Alex/ 21 02:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The editor, Some Dude From North Carolina has continued to restore the first episode's article, We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals, despite there clearly not being a consensus for its existance. -- / Alex/ 21 04:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
I reverted the redirect of We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals. It was redirected per this discussion, but I see multiple editors commenting above that the premiere episode of The Umbrella Academy, which is that episode, actually does meet notability guidelines. I don't see a consensus against that episode having a standalone article here. Would advise taking it to AfD to gain a broader consensus for deletion/redirection – or, even better, finding additional sources for and improving the article! -- Wikipedical ( talk) 18:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
The entire production section of the episode 1 article is copied from the main article so not even sure if that one should remain either.
I didn't even realized that until you mentioned it. That shouldn't even been copied and pasted from the main article as it applies to the whole season 1 rather than just episode 1.
I've started an RfC to analyze a potential split (and partial merger) of {{ Infobox broadcasting network}}. You can find the RfC, information, and discussion at Template talk:Infobox broadcasting network#Proposed split into new templates. Raymie ( t • c) 21:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to a discussion at Talk:Brooklyn Nine-Nine#Years vs seasons regarding use of years vs seasons in the infobox. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 16:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
We could use some more eyes on the Jameela Jamil article. An editor has been keen to insert weasel-wording to make sourced statements seem somehow dubious. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 06:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Joeyconnick has been reverting paragraphs from the section about the subjects personal life without explanation. He is clearly biased towards the subject and won't accept any sources that don't show her in an entirely positive light. This is a violation of WP:NPOV and is bad faith editing. He refuses to engage on the talk page to discuss his reasons for reverting correctly-sourced material. Uakari ( talk) 06:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
It's a great day, and I was motivated to work on the WP:NPP backlog. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to research this network issue, but at first glance it appears that a merge of the 2 titled articles may be needed. Thanks in advance... Atsme Talk 📧 14:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Can I get some advice please? Favre1fan93 keeps adding the Preliminary ratings to the Agents of Shield season finale article here [3] because he thinks ShowBuzz Daily & Programming Insider are combining the numbers. He seems to think that each episode should have a separate rating despite these being the numbers reported by Nielsen. Is he wrong to do this? I've already been reverted by him a few times after rewriting the section to add the finals and explain that they were averaged out.
Nowhere on Wikipedia are Preliminary numbers used on television pages and he's already been reverted on the season article by another editor. Would be appreciated if people could weigh in on this issue. 81.97.84.42 ( talk) 15:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Recently, I've been having a disagreement with TVBuff90. On the post-1997 U.S. broadcast TV schedules, the number of viewers (in millions) used to be shown, while on the the pre-1997 schedules, household ratings are shown. But a few years ago, TVBuff90 started changing the ratings info on the post-1997 schedules from viewers to household ratings. In mid-2015, I once reverted TrapKing1997 on the 1997-98 schedule (specifically, he had the viewership figures of NBC's Thursday lineup (with the final season of Seinfeld) changed to households), but I eventually backed away because I didn't want to get into an edit war with him.
And what makes TVBuff90 think that these "Tied with..." columns he keeps adding to TV shows' articles are necessary? It's easier to tie in household ratings than viewers. I even saw that he wiped the total-viewership data off the CSI: Crime Scene Investigation article, but luckily not from the articles of the CSI spin-offs (Miami, NY, and Cyber). The articles of the NCIS, Hawaii Five-0 (2010), and Grey's Anatomy have both household-rating and viewership figures listed. I talked to TVBuff90 about this in early April, and the responses he gave ("30 is all you get from Tim Brooks", and "That's just the way it is") weren't very helpful. I did tell him that household ratings were "meaningless" after 1997 because of the rise of cable channels, and the #1 series on U.S. broadcast-TV can barely get a "rating" of 10.0. Those post-1997 ratings are from "The Complete Directory of Primetime TV Shows", and it's unknown how the authors of those books got access to that household-ratings info. TVBuff90 acts like these primetime directories are the only source for TV ratings/viewership, but the viewership averages he's been wiping-out for post-1997 broadcast-TV shows may have sources themselves. I came to this page to request a Third Opinion on this matter, because I need better answers than what TVBuff90 gave instead of just arguing with him endlessly.-- Jim856796 ( talk) 03:06, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I think this is fine as at least a temporary solution. My preference is still to purge "Household" ratings in favor of "Total Viewers" whenever possible, but if "Total Viewers" figures are difficult to come by (at least on a weekly basis) prior to 1997, then we are probably stuck with using "Household" ratings prior to 1997. I do agree that ratings that are currently reported (or have been for a long time – e.g. any post-1997 TV show or season) as "Total Viewers" should not be changed to "Household", and I think any move to do say should be reverted, and then reported back here if there is any pushback. There has certainly been no consensus demonstrated here in favor of switching to "Household" ratings. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 02:15, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@ IJBall: and @ Heartfox: I want to inform both of you that the viewership averages for the CSI spinoffs ( Miami and NY) were removed from their respective articles yesterday (July 22), but the edits were not done by TVBuff90 this time. The removals were perpetrated by Alex21. I was going to end this discussion with my previous comment, but in light of this change, I have decided that I'm not going to just yet. Jim856796 ( talk) 15:56, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Season naming convention (continued). -- / Alex/ 21 08:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
I've been working on other revamps lately, but I'm starting to take note of some issues with {{ Infobox television channel}} and would be curious to hear some thoughts:
I'm not ready for an RfC on this quite yet, but I would like to hear some thoughts on potential improvements and other changes, and this is more open-ended than an RfC. Gonna ping some high-volume contributors to this field and a couple of relevant projects. Raymie ( t • c) 03:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I can understand the Callan tv show connection, but is the rest really needed? Govvy ( talk) 19:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Greetings....
For the past few weeks, while editing the 2019-20 United States network television schedule, my fellow editor MrE and I felt that there is quite a lot of confusion regarding which programming was significant enough to be included in the schedule and which wasn't. In a few instances filler programming that aired on tv for barely two weeks was included in the schedule, which unnecessarily bulked up the page and made it harder to navigate through. To put an end to this disorder, I opened a discussion on the schedule talk page and proposed that in order to prevent this issue from arising in the future, a criteria/guideline could be included in the schedule which clearly states that in order for a programme to added to the schedule it must air for a minimum of three weeks at a particular slot in the case of fresh episodes and four weeks in the case of encore repeats. The discussion was a successful one and consensus was gained among the five most frequent editors of the page that including this requirement in the schedule was a step in the right direction and was in fact long overdue. Details on this topic and the reason this minimum was decided on are explained at the schedule's talk page under the discussion with a similar title as this one.
Now, getting to the reasons for opening this discussion over here:
We feel that this change, like the one which renamed the sections within a schedule from 'Mid-season' and 'Follow-up' to proper seasons like 'Fall', 'Winter' etc will help significantly in improving the quality of these schedules.
Cheers!! TheRedDomitor ( talk) 07:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey! Sorry to bother again, but was thinking maybe to achieve a better range of consensus (or not) a draft should be made with all the guidelines to bring an actual proposal to the project. According to WP:PROPOSAL, it needs various steps to become a proper guideline, but I guess that as it may compromise many articles, it could be included under a new section into the Manual of Style/Television. Any thoughts? — MrE ( talk) 18:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Category:Television episodes in multiple parts, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, along with 2 of its sub-categories.
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See WT:COMICS#Batman: The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures. Dark knight 2149 15:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello all!
I was hoping to add a section with the reference of how technology was used in the 70s and 80s excluding the 90s.
Specifically, how satellites or other advanced technologies were driving consumer-grade technologies.
I am aware of the regions the V-Chips were used so my insight is the United States.
I believe it could be an interesting article because of how knowledge was progressed through this age in public schools.
I think this section is warranted or for the sake of argument a paragraph touching these real years and how we no longer use V-Chips.
Thank you,
SPiZlE — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPiZlE ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm asking this question on behalf of Arunya Sakthi, who twice, in good-faith, has attempted to add bulky plot content to Baal Veer, like here. While WP:TVPLOT wants to limit Plot section summaries to 500 words, Indian TV series don't have traditional western "seasons" and sometimes just everything is considered Season 1, and other times the network will just arbitrarily call something S2, S3, etc. There is no standard NN episodes = 1 season system. This is evident if we notice that the Baal Veer article claims that show has 2 seasons, but 1280 episodes.
Now if someone wanted to sit down and assemble a list of episodes, and write summaries of each of those 1280 eps, that would be fine within community guidelines. Assuming that nobody's going to do that, and assuming that the point of an encyclopedia is to communicate key aspects of the plot to readers, what else could Arunya do here? I notice that One Life to Live storylines (1990–1999) and similar articles briefly summarise key aspects of important arcs. Is this something the user could attempt? Is this something the community would oppose? If it's fine, should that be done in the main article, or should it be forked? What other options are there? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 23:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I have to add that outside of the US, there are basically no standard 'season' lengths, so asking for special treatment for India is strange. They can have a really long season... but the UK, for example, has a 'genre' called continuing drama which is basically exactly that: continuing. Seasons are arbitrary lengths for how many weeks they want it to run, sometimes being one hour-long episode every week plus a few specials and running summer to the Christmas after (that's a particularly extreme example, but lasting 40+ episodes is not uncommon). Nobody writing for those articles seems to have had a problem yet. And plot length restrictions are for page size, so unless there's a really good reason it shouldn't be extended. Kingsif ( talk) 02:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Masked Singer (American TV series)/archive2. Heartfox ( talk) 04:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/2020 Infobox television channel redesign proposal. Raymie ( t • c) 07:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Fast N' Loud episodes#Split. starship .paint ( talk) 13:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lovecraft Country (TV series) § Production codes. This discussion is about production codes from end credits. Editors are needed to weigh in on this. — YoungForever (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Live PD: Roll Call § RFC on tables in the article. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Warrior Nun (TV series) § Positive reviews. — YoungForever (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, just wondering where a TV crossover article (covering 5 episodes or something) would fit in to MOS:TVPLOT. Would it be classified as a series article or an episode article? I'm wondering how the 840-word plot (in prose) in Crisis on Infinite Earths (Arrowverse) fits the MOS. Heartfox ( talk) 00:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I would like to ask if Netflix's daily top 10 chart per country can be used on pages? I'm not sure if the same standers are applied to TV series charts, but per Wikipedia:Record charts, "Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer should not be used", meaning you can't add Amazon, Spotify, and iTunes charts. So I'm not sure if this applied to TV series and Netflix's daily top 10 charts. For example, saying XXX series trended as #1-10 in xyz country for # days. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 ( talk) 10:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, so a question for you all. In an article where we're trying to identify the main cast members, if the show's credits only list the singular "star" of the series, what do we do then? Context: This edit made in good faith, lists Rupali Ganguly as Main, because she plays the title role. I can't check the Hindi credits, but I believe Noobie anonymous suggested on my talk page that only the star is credited. What would you recommend in this case? It seems very hard to fathom that a narrative series could only have one main cast member, unless it's a monologue. Should we omit the Main/Recurring labels? Only have one person in Main? Something else? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Is there a better word for one? do we classify TV shows as a melodrama, i.e., is a 2017 Philippine melodrama? See also [[Category:Philippine melodrama television series]]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.93.40.241 ( talk) 13:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I notice the recent creation of One Plus One (TV Program). I'm pretty sure "TV Program" (with a capital 'P') isn't the right disambiguator, but I wasn't sure what the right disambiguator is: is it "TV program", "TV programme", "TV series" or "TV show"? Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 09:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:I Can See Your Voice (American TV series) § Merger discussion. Heartfox ( talk) 15:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I would appreciate opinions about the format of Draft:The Ellen DeGeneres Show (season 18), specifically comparing this layout to this layout. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
While editing the filmography in the George Lazenby article, he was in a season season 9 episode of Baywatch. So I went to list of episodes and seen the season 9 table is messed up. I was able to fix the header, but I've been racking my brain trying to figure out how to fix the rest of the table. I don't know what to do. If anybody can figure out the issue, that would be greatly appreciated. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 20:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I know WP is very stingy about fair use. Is the use of the 2 season posters at this article ok? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
What's our thoughts on how Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series) and Galactica 1980 are laid out, with their episodes being listed at List of Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series) and Galactica 1980 episodes? Should they be split and merged into the parent articles, as separate series, or kept as is? -- / Alex/ 21 02:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, could I please impose upon someone to look at this well-meaning edit by Ahecht and try to suss out what the intention was? The result was that the table is malformed and I'm not exactly sure how to fix it. (Also, Ahecht hasn't been active in a few days.) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Alchemiya is a website that has been called "Netflix for Muslims". Here is some coverage The National, Arab News, The Guardian, Dawn, Irish Tech News, BBC News, Saudi Gazette over a period of 2014-2018. Is the topic notable enough to merit an article? VR talk 19:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Is this really that notable? Or should the article be merged somewhere else with a redirect? Maybe one of the other articles in the template? Also, this template is rather large!!
On another note; the Template:CBS is somewhat strange with that logo to the right there. Govvy ( talk) 10:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
FYI, The Hollywood Reporter is now changing how it reports ratings numbers based on changes Nielsen has made. I know THR is rarely used to report final ratings, but sometimes there are small blurbs in their reports that discuss how an episode did in relation to past episodes. Still figured it was worth mention for members of the project who may not have seen this. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 23:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:I Can See Your Voice (German game show) § Merger proposal. Rfl0216 ( talk) 15:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ratched (TV series) § Production codes. — YoungForever (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ida Lupino and her husband, actor Howard Duff, starred together in the late 1950s sitcom called Mr. Adams and Eve. The played a movie star couple as more comedic situations spun around them.
I find it a little baffling that this series does not have its own page here on Wikipedia. I realize that it may not have been a big hit, but it pivotal in Lupino and Duff's career, and most especially their marriage. It was often thought of as a way of keeping the feuding real-life couple from divorcing.
Can something be done to make a Mr. Adams and Eve page here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.189.161.163 ( talk) 02:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Please come participate in the discussion on the V Wars talk page regarding whether a review from the site WhatCulture should be used in the article. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi. There are a series of omissions and a few mistakes in the article about television producer and writer Adam McKay, known for executive producing, directing and co-writing shows such as Succession (TV series) and Eastbound & Down. He also wrote and directed the films The Big Short (film) (2015), Vice (2018 film). And he directed and co-wrote Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (2004), Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (2006), Step Brothers (2008), The Other Guys (2010), and Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues (2013), all of which he co-wrote with creative partner Will Ferrell. I have a conflict of interest as I work for McKay. I’ve written up proposals to improve the article as “Request Edits” here: Talk:Adam McKay#“Help with article updates/corrections” I’ve tried my best to abide by all Wikipedia policies - including NPOV and Verify but it needs an independent review to abide by Wikipedia policies. While I have added these to the Request Edit official queue, it appears that almost no one is answering this queue anymore -- requests have been sitting there since July. So if anyone here might like to review this article, highly relevant to this project, I would really appreciate it. Please feel free to reach out with questions. Thanks! Losangeles48 ( talk) 21:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
What's the better (or more accepted) layout for a franchise article? Arrowverse (see the Series, Characters, Crossovers), or Criminal Minds (franchise) (see the Series, Characters, Crossovers). -- / Alex/ 21 09:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi to all! I recently made edits to this page (my edits can be found here), as it was listed on Cleanup listing for WikiProject Pakistan. This page is longer then it needs to be. There is a huge, unnecessary list of programmes aired/currently airing on this channel, and have no citations. I left a message on the article's talk page about the edits. No one replied and I went forward with it ( WP:BOLD). Then, an unregistered user, edited the article and basically reverted it back to its original state. That IP pops up in the Edit History every now and then. How am I to proceed with this. Can this be treated as vandalism? The user is unregistered, so I can't ping them and talk directly. Need help. SuddenlyMangoes ( talk) 08:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I've started a discussion
here about whether the number of episodes in an upcoming miniseries (
Zack Snyder's Justice League) should be present in its infobox.
Sock
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11:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion for List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series actors to potentially split off content into two new articles and some additional input on what those article names should be would be appreciated. You can find the discussion here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Peer review/The Masked Singer (American TV series)/archive2. Heartfox ( talk) 18:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Goran Bogdan (a henchman who dies early in the series), has a decidedly supporting role. However, I do not understand why in the article, for three years now the falsity that this is not the case has to pass. On this page you can see in detail the Main cast of Fargo 3 and the recurring cast (Bogdan considers that he is not even included in the recurring cast). If you wanted to change the section you could quote this note. On the contrary, what note would you quote to show that Bogdan is part of the Main cast?
-- Kasper2006 ( talk) 08:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I would appreciate if someone give their input on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cplustv (2nd nomination). -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 23:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Is it permissible to make a category for people who have appeared on Den 11. time? -- Ysangkok ( talk) 23:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mango (Saturday Night Live) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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Thank you, Right cite ( talk) 18:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
There's been a bit of discussion across multiple articles about production codes lately, I think there needs to be some agreement on it. Are production codes needed if the production order is the same as the airing order? They provide no further information in that case, and are basically duplicate information. The unique "format" of the production code (like "1MBD01" or "T27.13951") really has zero importance to the reader. -- / Alex/ 21 00:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The unique "format" of the production code (like "1MBD01" or "T27.13951") really has zero importance to the reader.says it all. :^) -- Izno ( talk) 02:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I have proposed a template split for {{ Netflix original ended series}} and the discussion can be found here. Since this template falls under this WikiProject and templates are not listed in Article Alerts, I am posting here. If anyone has an oppinion please discuss. Thanks Terasail [Talk] 15:33, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Anybody have any examples of an article about a TV show that has a list of episodes incorporated into that article? All the shows I can think of have standalone episode list articles. I'm trying to find a decent example to point editors to, should they want to incorporate a LoE in an article. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 17:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I think it is time to stop using that term to refer to streaming series... it just looks weird and it is not a common term used for these shows. Not a single reliable source refers to Netflix or Hulu or Disney Plus (etc.) shows as "web television" shows. It's better to just call them streaming shows or in this day and age is it even necessary to distinguish in that way from other cable shows? Spanneraol ( talk) 20:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Gilligan's Island is a comedy television series that was broadcast on CBS from...", for the "streaming series" the ledes could be changed to say something like
The Society is an American mystery teen drama television series created by Christopher Keyser, that was released via streaming on Netflix on May 10, 2019.The latter gets the same idea across, without saying "web television series", but while still including the term "streaming"... So this is an alternative approach. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 23:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
I support this! Change and link to "streaming television" instead of "web" TV per above, or IJBall's phrasing. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 15:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
The big difference with streaming is that seasons are usually released "all at once"Hmm, maybe just Netflix. Most anime websites do not and I do not think Hulu/CBS All Access/Amazon do so. -- Izno ( talk) 00:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello there, I just need help to make sure if it's allowed to list, with reliable sources, titles, airdates and production staffs for upcoming episodes that have not yet been released in their respective table and if it's permissible for foreign series to use an unofficial provisionnal english title, literaly translated from the original one while waiting for the official english title from the licensed company to be known? Or should it stay blank until then? And same question for foreign series without any official licensing in english at all? Need a general opinion on that matter as it is rather treated inconsistently on some articles. Closesophy ( talk) 21:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
"Faithfully translating sourced material into English [...] is not considered original research.",
"Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations."So why a literral translation of the english titles would not be accepted if there is no translation published by reliable sources about a foreign article? What about a series that never got localized in any english speaking countries, or episodes that never aired outside of the country of origin for censorship reasons? Leaving the original title without any translation won't be pleasing to read for english readers in my opinion. Closesophy ( talk) 23:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
If we have information for a bunch of episodes it should go in an episode table, it makes no sense to have a long list in prose when there is an established format that is far more readable. CRYSTAL is also no excuse for hiding known information. Readers are smart enough to know that the dates we add with reliable sources are the planned dates and could change in the future. CRYSTAL also often doesn't apply to other episode information since we generally don't learn those until after/during production. - adamstom97 ( talk) 11:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Thoughts are needed on the following matter: Talk:The Walking Dead (TV series)#Rotten Tomatoes reports 305 reviews for season 10. What?. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 03:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Relevant discussion at the link above. DrKay ( talk) 16:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if there is a category under Television that handles web-based series, if any. And if so, what infobox template would I use to create a new article about the series. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 23:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Game of Thrones#Which season 8 episodes should we highlight in the lead as having especially received criticism?. A permalink for it is here.
If you are someone who hasn't watched the show (at all), or hasn't watched it to the end, and don't want to get spoiled on it, then I just suggest not looking at this matter and commenting on it.
Flyer22 Frozen (
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02:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
List of creatures in Primeval has been nominated for deletion for a fourth time. All are invited to participate in the discussion, which may be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of creatures in Primeval (4th nomination). -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 19:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
I've started to update IMDb links to season articles so it goes to each respective season page (if not specified, it just goes to the latest season). This is done by adding |season=[x]
to the IMDb template. But, I'm wondering if this could be done by a bot or script, where it could just grab the season number from the article title and be done automatically. For members who are more familiar with bots/scripts, can you possibly comment on this? Thanks.
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15:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I noticed on a whole bunch of television pages that the TVbythenumbers source is dead. These are pages where the ratings source wasn't archived meaning the link is dead and the source is now useless. What can be done? Replace with Showbuzz Daily or TV series finale? 81.96.245.175 ( talk) 19:07, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Showbuzz Daily do not include the total shares (18–49), Programming Insider and TV by the Numbers are the ones that included total shares (18–49). Replacing the TV by the Numbers (which included the total shares (18–49)) with
Showbuzz Daily is considered to be WP:SYNTH.— YoungForever (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Technically speaking, anyone who edits / contributes to TV related articles is a participant, and there are no requirements other than that.Be bold and fix it yourself. — YoungForever (talk) 23:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
This November, wp:Women in Red is focusing on women working behind the scenes in theatre and broadcasting. As TV is an important component here, we hope members of WP Television will be inspired to participate. You can find further details at Stage+Screen+Radio+Podcast. The Women in Red invitation for November is copied below. Please feel free to send it to any potentially interested participants or projects.
Women in Red | November 2020, Volume 6, Issue 11, Numbers 150, 173, 178, 180, 181
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-- Ipigott ( talk) 10:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Diriliş: Ertuğrul and Kuruluş: Osman has been decorated with some free-use posters (2 each), and I'm not sure if they're within WP-doctrine. If someone with knowledge wants to take a look. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
What is the reliability of TV Tango? According to their About Us page, they are run by two people. I have personally found the viewership/ratings in their episode lists reliable, and especially useful because it can be hard to find that old info elsewhere. Heartfox ( talk) 18:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm trying to get a community temperature reading for an award like Zee Rishtey Awards. From what I can tell, the Zee television network nominates people from its own network then I guess people can call in/text in and vote on their favourites. Some "awards" include "Best Jodi" (best pair) and "Best Social Swagger" (see Ishq Subhan Allah, for instance). I've previously asked about the Star Parivaar Awards, which was an entirely in-house award, the Zee Rishtey appears to be slightly different in that the public plays some part in the results. From my perspective, though, it reeks of self-aggrandisement and self-promotion.
Related to this, does WikiProject Television have a stance on whether or not to include awards where notability has not been established? Per WP:FILMCRITICLIST, awards without corresponding articles shouldn't be included, but there's nothing at MOS:TV about that. I know that some people get wiggy about writing anything down in the form of a MOS, but if there's nothing written down, then there's no way to pare down fluff from articles like Ishq Subhan Allah, or to educate editors on community preferences. I'm also a bit unclear on whether this is even under the purview of WikiProject Television, since award bloat typically appears in biographies. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on the articles. Several IP addresses and not autoconfirmed or confirmed editors have disruptive editing by changing airdates against the reliable sources. — YoungForever (talk) 18:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Should this be merged into I, Claudius (TV series)?... I really can't think of any reason why it shouldn't be. Comments? -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 00:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Does the community have an opinion about how we present information when a character is depicted as dying in a series? I run into articles all the time like this, where in the overview you'll see:
And in the cast section you'll see:
To me, including all these "dead"s feels a bit weird, as if we're treating fictional shows the way we treat Big Brother, by indicating everybody who's been evicted. And in Indian entertainment articles there is a hyper-fixation on labeling everything, so I might be over-sensitive to that. But if we track the entire path a character takes, I could see an argument for keeping them. In some cases though, like with the overview, it seems silly to indicate who died before we even get into the meat and potatoes of who the characters and cast are. Regards, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Johnny Depp as Sheriff Bill MacGuffin (seasons 1–2). -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
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Wanting to get some input here about what should be done regarding double-length episode of Total DramaRama. Both the first season and second season have had at least one double-length (30 min.) episode, being "Camping is In Tents" (currently listed as S1 E41) and most recently, "Dissing Cousins" (currently listed as S2 E16). Sources being used such as Futon Critic and Zap2it both list both of these episodes as one double-length episode, not two separate normal-length episodes (Futon Critic giving "Camping is In Tents" production code 'V141' and "Dissing Cousins" 'V216-30'). Viewership-wise, Showbuzz Daily gives the viewership for both episodes as one 30-minute episode ( Here Archived 2019-05-29 at the Wayback Machine for "Camping", here Archived 2020-06-03 at the Wayback Machine for "Dissing").
There's recently been an IP over on the talk page discussing and giving sources that seem to point towards the episodes in question being listed as two separate episodes. I don't want to put too much info here, but you can see the sources they've provided on that talk page. There are also some other points to make towards this, such as Cartoon Network listing "Dissing Cousins" by their two separate parts on their website ( Part 1, part 2). However, two things to point out from that- being that A. the credits for both parts of "Dissing Cousins" are the same (Written by: Miles Smith, Directed by: Keith Oliver & George Elliot) and that B. only "Dissing Cousins" is listed by the two separate parts, "Camping is In Tents" is listed as one full-length episode on the Cartoon Network website.
With all these different sources in mind (again, see the Total DramaRama talk page discussion for the sources suggesting they should be separate as two parts/episodes), what would be the best way to go about this? I remember seeing a discussion in the past about a double-length/two separate episodes, and found it again tonight, regarding Blood & Treasure, maybe that discussion could help a bit here? I dunno.
Finally, wanting to note that I am entirely open to splitting these episodes up and listing them as two parts in the episode tables. Just not entirely sure when there's quite a few sources supporting both sides of this... Any help is appreciated, thanks. Magitroopa ( talk) 05:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
We could use more opinions on this [1] content, discussion on talk at Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Controversial_statements. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm also sceptical that TRT Ertugrul Ghazi by PTV merits a separate article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#MOS:PLOTSOURCE and WP:PRIMARY. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 02:39, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Doom Patrol (TV series)#HBO Max. — YoungForever (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Template:Infobox reality talent competition has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox reality competition season. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Guidelines about the narrator. — YoungForever (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
After the success of this limited series, a second season was ordered for an entirely different story with new characters (The Haunting of Bly Manor). In view of this development, an RfC is underway to determine the structure of the original article (now first season) and additional season @ Talk:The Haunting of Hill House (TV series)#RFC. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 07:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on this. An IP address has repeatedly adding an episode summary to a yet to air episode. Last time I checked this is still considered be WP:OR and falls under WP:NOTCRYSTAL. — YoungForever (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
There is discussion on whether the new article Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe should be name changed. Feel free to discuss on talk page. Jhenderson 777 17:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm planning to revamp TV programs on "List of programs broadcast by [TV channel]" articles such as List of programs broadcast by Seoul Broadcasting System per https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga&oldid=927392783, because I noticed series without own articles are listed even if they're not notable. I also want to add that a secondary source should be used for non-article series. CuteDolphin712 ( talk) 18:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Is Africa (series) a TV series or a film? The article text and categories left me confused. -- Gonnym ( talk) 23:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Someone has proposed that the 2020–21 United States network television schedule article be removed. True, it's not encyclopedic content in the traditional sense. But that's no reason to delete the article. As the WikiProject indicates, the article provides information about television in a more modern way rather than a traditional encyclopedia in which it would never be included. I personally find the article very helpful information. The person proposing deletion claims it's not neutral because it only includes the five major non-cable networks. There's absolutely no bias in the content itself and the fact that only those five networks are included doesn't make it unfair.
I feel the person proposing deletion is more or less disgruntled for no good reason about an article that hurts absolutely no one but would upset people like me if it's deleted.
PLEASE KEEP THE ARTICLE POSTED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craig21208 ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Update: The AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020–21 United States network television schedule has been WP:SNOW closed. And based on that discussion, I have moved the 2021–22 article to Draft:2021–22 United States network television schedule. I would advise that some of us watchlist 2021–22 United States network television schedule as that article should not be recreated for months... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 04:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm updating an old reality TV show which had 10 proper episodes, 2 compilation episodes which consisted of the best bits from those 10 episodes, and 1 introductory episode which introduced you to the people who were going to be on the show.
So how many episodes should I say it has, and how should I write it in the number of episodes section of the infobox?
etc
Danstarr69 ( talk) 06:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Danstarr69 ( talk) 03:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, the article for Squirm is nominated for Featured Article. While its relation to television is kind of flimsy, I hope to get more eyes onto the nomination, which would be much appreciated. The nomination can be found here. GamerPro64 01:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Input requested at this list article, which presumably would cover 4,500+ episodes. (Ack.) Not sure if there is a way this could be presented productively. The author has submitted for review but continues to add to the draft which is quite incomplete at present. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 22:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Love Life (American TV series)#About the narrator. This discussion is about where and how to include the narrator in the particular TV series. — YoungForever (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Months ago i merge List of programs broadcast by Star Jalsha with Star Jalsha. The main article (Star Jalsha) isn't big enough & there is no reason for a separate page. However it was reverted by User:Noobie anonymous. Is it necessary to split a page when main article is almost empty? Please advice. -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 21:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lenox Hill (TV series)#Yet to release episode with reliable source. Since when did including episode titles, release dates, and etc. on episode table when it is reliably sourced is considered to be WP:CRYSTAL? Editors are needed to weigh in on this. — YoungForever (talk) 02:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in American television. Wikipedical ( talk) 21:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC).
With the increase of series being moved and appearing on FX on Hulu, I'm wonder how this should be handled in the respective series articles so we can form consistency and clarity. If you're unaware of what FX on Hulu is, the official description is: "FX on Hulu is a dedicated hub on Hulu where you can access acclaimed and award-winning FX Networks series, as well as new FX Original Series (after episodes air on FX and FXX) and FX Originals that stream exclusively on Hulu." It's essentially FX-produced series that are being distributed by Hulu instead of airing on their own network. So, do we simply refer to the "network" as being Hulu, or do use FX on Hulu? If you look at Devs (a FX on Hulu series), we're using the phrase "Hulu (via FX on Hulu)"; is this too clunky? Because I feel simply referring to it as just Hulu is wrong because it makes no distinction between 100% Hulu originals like The Handmaid's Tale.
Other things to consider and take note of:
Thoughts on this? Thanks. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 16:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
main article, which are you referring to? The potential new FX on Hulu article (not yet created) or List of original programs distributed by Hulu? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 22:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Drovethrughosts, IJBall, and YoungForever: Is anyone opposed to making the infobox, category, and Hulu template changes at this time? I feel like the page might be a task that would eventually happen, but the three things I mentioned could happen now. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#RFC on including disambiguators in category names. – Fayenatic London 09:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if this conversation has been had before, but I believe it's a necessary one given we're now in 2020 and I feel our standard way of listing television ratings in articles is becoming outdated. Given that advertising for US shows is based on C3 and C7 viewership (viewers who watched commercials on DVR for a show up to 3 or 7 days after original air date) and many networks have switched to only referring/basing stuff on DVR viewership (I believe Fox switched to only looking at L+7 a few years ago and ABC now only reports L+3 data in its ratings press releases on WDTV Press), I'm wondering whether (if sources are available of course) we should consider:
I wanted to gain some consensus on this as it would affect many articles. We don't have to go back and redo everything, but if the source exists, and the TV show debuts like in fall 2020 or something, we start doing so. I think this is something we should seriously consider. I believe the UK uses DVR data too, and even online viewership (Outlets here don't really report that but I'm saying other countries' TV show articles have also moved away from simple live viewership). Numeris in Canada has also only reported Live+7 data since 2014-ish. Heartfox ( talk) 20:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The article on the Star Parivaar Awards has been nominated for deletion. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 15:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Not the right spot. |
Hi all, I posted this on the Virgin Media One Talk page but I feel it might get more of a response here. I am looking to update the viewing share for the Irish channels (Virgin Media One, Virgin Media Two, Virgin Media Three, RTÈ One, RTÈ 2, TG4 and EirSport 1) using TAM Nielsen data from 2019. However, I have a Conflict of Interest. I made some slight amends to Virgin Media Television and Virgin Media One (apologies, I should have raised a Conflict of Interest on those too). Seeing as I want to do it across all channels, I'm hoping to get a consensus to go ahead. DarkerDai ( talk) 23:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello. CAT:NN now has a backlog of almost 12 years. There is a backlog of over 1000 just on Television, see [2]. We are desperate for anyone with knowledge and interest on this topic to help reduce the backlog. Thanks, Boleyn ( talk) 14:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox television#Inspired by parameter. This is a proposal to add a parameter to the Infoxbox television template. — YoungForever (talk) 13:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
|inspired_by=
, it is now an optional parameter on the
Template:Infobox television. —
YoungForever
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04:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Tucker Carlson Tonight which may interest followers of this project, concerning whether or not to include information about Carlson's head writer in the article. JimKaatFan ( talk) 11:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I am asking for a third opinion regarding the merger discussion happening in this article Talk:List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN#Merger proposal (July 2020). TheHotwiki ( talk) 19:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I asked about subslikescript.com at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems, and the opinion of Moneytrees, an administrator who works extensively with copyright issues, is that the links should be removed. I wanted to let WikiProject Television know, as you're perhaps more likely than most editors to see it or similar script websites in articles you're working on. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea ( talk) 19:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the article Emy Teledrama I think the title of the program is just "Emy" and "Teledrama" is just disambiguation. If that's correct it should be moved to have parenthetical disambiguation, but I'm unfamiliar with the naming conventions in this area so I don't know what disambiguator would be correct. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Article_contains_irrelevant/unsourced_information For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
In an article's lede, how do you normally indicate that the starring lineup has changed? Example: Aladdin - Naam Toh Suna Hoga. The show originally starred Siddharth Nigam and Avneet Kaur. Kaur was replaced by Ashi Singh. Current language reads:
Does that change to:
Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 17:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on this article. An editor has been repeatedly adding a Twitter post and Youtube link from unverified accounts. Per WP:RSP, they are not reliable sources if they are posted from unverified accounts (that is without the verification badge). — YoungForever (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
This person has made a number of pointless edits and a smaller number of destructive edits, mostly to articles related to British and American TV shows. There are also some other edits. Knowing very little about TV, I don't want to evaluate the worth of these edits (mere speculation? complete fiction). Over to you. (I'm not watching this talk page.) -- Hoary ( talk) 02:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
The "X creation list" articles ( seasons, episodes, characters) at the end of the to-do list are not being used for clean-up. Aside from one edit in March 2018, none of them have been updated since 2017. Should they be cleared, or should I just take them to MfD? – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 08:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to an RfC about determining when a television series has ended. See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Television#RfC:_On_determining_series_end_dates. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 08:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but I did just now: TV by the Numbers has now vanished from the web... tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com now redirects to tvlistings.zap2it.com. Time to find all those Wayback Machine links if they haven't already been added lol! Heartfox ( talk) 04:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
I attempted to do this as an RfC, but other users objected to it as premature, non-neutral, and too long. There was previous discussion at Template talk:Infobox television, but I decided that venue was too narrow because this discussion also applies to categorization. Thus, I am re-attempting this discussion here to build proposals for another RfC.
Normally, when a series is cancelled or ended, we list the end date as when the final episode was aired/released. But sometimes, a show is taken off the air with no word about its fate. (This is common in children's television.) Under current practices, we presume a series to have ended if no new episodes have aired in over a year and it has not been officially renewed (the same criteria used by The Futon Critic). The end date is listed in the infobox and the page is added to the appropriate subcategory of Category:Television series endings by year, but we do not list it on a (YEAR) in (COUNTRY) television page. (This convention is not currently mentioned at MOS:TV.)
Said decision was made at Infobox television's talk in July 2014. The consensus was to adopt The Futon Critic's criteria to avoid questionable listings of programs as currently in production, but there were unaddressed concerns that it is impossible to make any judgment without violating WP:OR. In particular, one participant noted that it contradicts previous consensus.
Unfortunately, the convention has led to controversy; the previous discussion mentions such a dispute at Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, which was cancelled quietly in 2012. In a more recent case, The Amazing World of Gumball last aired a new episode on June 24, 2019 and has not been renewed, so it satisfies the "presumed ending" criteria. (The spinoff miniseries, Darwin's Yearbook, aired later, but it doesn't count.) However, various users (including myself) have objected to this because like SMFA, the series has also not been confirmed to be canceled. It didn't help that the matter was already controversial from the day the possible finale was announced. Arguments over Gumball's status and end date (see the page history) is the main reason why the show's article was protected recently.
That's why I'm calling to reassess this rule (and incorporate it in MOS). – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Heads up, there's an anon editor who's going around convering templated {{ Series overview}} tables to raw wikicode, so that they can split seasons up into what they perceive as separate parts of a season. 51.171.113.150 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and their edits can be seen here, here, here. Keep an eye out? Cheers. -- / Alex/ 21 13:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, just a notice that there is an open peer review for Game of Thrones, see Wikipedia:Peer review/Game of Thrones/archive4. All feedback and comments are welcome to improve the article. Thank you! -- LuK3 (Talk) 20:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
This is a little bit of a hypothetical question, but I've been having the following thought. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has just announced its series finale will be two episodes ( press release text at the top of the preceding episode's release stating such, and the episode titles/listing in question), but they do not have the same name with a Part 1/2 situation. The first episode is titled "The End is at Hand", while the second is "What We’re Fighting For". I'm anticipating the articles for these episodes and I have a feeling there's the potential for info released about them to simply group the two episodes together, which in my eyes would necessitate one article for both episodes. If that is the case, what would said article be called? I've had experience a bit in the past with Inhumans premiere (which was the IMAX presentation of the first two broadcast episodes, with separate names), so I was thinking Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series finale could be a possibility. But taking a wider approach where multiple episodes in any instance do not occur at the beginning or end of seasons/series where "premiere"/"finale" wording could be use, what would title options be? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
That's not true. "Inhumans (premiere)" just means that the episode is about the "Inhumans". Once you click it you'll realize that it's not the official name. Where at WP:NCTV do you see your example of "Inhumans premiere" actually get used as an example? The point of it is, "Inhumans premiere" isn't the title either, which is what you are suggesting. That would be like linking to Bart the Genius. That is the title of that episode. When you don't disambiguate with "(premiere" or "(series finale)" you are insinuating that it is the actual title of the episode. That is why you see "(season 1)" and so forth. There isn't a season name. So, we default to what the show is, "Agents of Shield", and then disambiguate it from the parent article by pointing out that it is "(season 1)" of that show. Hence, because we are merging 2 episode articles into 1 article, and there is not a single name for those 2 articles, we then resort to a base name "Agents of Shield" or "Inhumans" and then disambiguate it with "(series finale)"/"(premiere)". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
That is why you see "(season 1)"is actually a complete misinterpretation of disambiguation, but. Continuing on from the previous paragraph and using another example, with The Flash (2014 TV series) and The Flash (season 1), the current setup implies that these are two separate media entities: a 2014 TV series titled The Flash, and a Season 1 titled The Flash. That is not the case. However, that is not what this discussion is about, and should be taken to NCTV. We digress. -- / Alex/ 21 15:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on Close Enough, Search Party (TV series), and Doom Patrol (TV series). An editor have been repeatedly changing the main articles of television series images to promo posters of the current seasons. Per MOS:TVIMAGE, the title card is preferred and more appropriate for the main articles of television series. Season promo posters are meant for season articles. It is also common practice to use title cards or logos for main articles of television series, especially TV series that have multiple seasons. — YoungForever (talk) 23:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Recently, I came across
The Umbrella Academy (TV series) has been split into individual episode articles. Per
Wikipedia:Article splitting (television)
WP:SPLIT,
WP:SUMMARY,
WP:SPINOUT,
WP:LENGTH
Wikipedia:Article splitting (television) still applies to individual episode pages. Can editors who are familiar with television article splitting, specifically on individual episode articles give an input on this? I looked over the individual episode articles, none of them consist of enough information to warrant their own articles, except for the pilot episode. The rest just contain a plot, production about the names of writer(s) and director(s), and reception from one critic. —
YoungForever
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The rest just contain a plot, production about the names of writer(s) and director(s), and reception from one critic.No viewing figures for each episode at all. — YoungForever (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
contain a plot, production about the names of writer(s) and director(s), and reception from one critic, except the pilot episode. The pilot episode is only one the meets the guidelines of a standalone episode article.— YoungForever (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
real world content to accompanythe standalone episode articles. — YoungForever (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Note: The user involved, Some Dude From North Carolina ( talk · contribs), also created articles for the episodes of Freelancers and some episodes of The Amazing World of Gumball and Darwin's Yearbook. The user has been warned about this misconduct and it is recommended that they be closely monitored; continued violations of GNG should be reported to WP:ANI. The following AfD's are relevant here:
– LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/iGoodbye. This is an AFD for a similar situation as the discussion above and the AFDs from two weeks ago. -- / Alex/ 21 02:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC) -- / Alex/ 21 02:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The editor, Some Dude From North Carolina has continued to restore the first episode's article, We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals, despite there clearly not being a consensus for its existance. -- / Alex/ 21 04:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
I reverted the redirect of We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals. It was redirected per this discussion, but I see multiple editors commenting above that the premiere episode of The Umbrella Academy, which is that episode, actually does meet notability guidelines. I don't see a consensus against that episode having a standalone article here. Would advise taking it to AfD to gain a broader consensus for deletion/redirection – or, even better, finding additional sources for and improving the article! -- Wikipedical ( talk) 18:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
The entire production section of the episode 1 article is copied from the main article so not even sure if that one should remain either.
I didn't even realized that until you mentioned it. That shouldn't even been copied and pasted from the main article as it applies to the whole season 1 rather than just episode 1.
I've started an RfC to analyze a potential split (and partial merger) of {{ Infobox broadcasting network}}. You can find the RfC, information, and discussion at Template talk:Infobox broadcasting network#Proposed split into new templates. Raymie ( t • c) 21:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to a discussion at Talk:Brooklyn Nine-Nine#Years vs seasons regarding use of years vs seasons in the infobox. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 16:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
We could use some more eyes on the Jameela Jamil article. An editor has been keen to insert weasel-wording to make sourced statements seem somehow dubious. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 06:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Joeyconnick has been reverting paragraphs from the section about the subjects personal life without explanation. He is clearly biased towards the subject and won't accept any sources that don't show her in an entirely positive light. This is a violation of WP:NPOV and is bad faith editing. He refuses to engage on the talk page to discuss his reasons for reverting correctly-sourced material. Uakari ( talk) 06:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
It's a great day, and I was motivated to work on the WP:NPP backlog. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to research this network issue, but at first glance it appears that a merge of the 2 titled articles may be needed. Thanks in advance... Atsme Talk 📧 14:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Can I get some advice please? Favre1fan93 keeps adding the Preliminary ratings to the Agents of Shield season finale article here [3] because he thinks ShowBuzz Daily & Programming Insider are combining the numbers. He seems to think that each episode should have a separate rating despite these being the numbers reported by Nielsen. Is he wrong to do this? I've already been reverted by him a few times after rewriting the section to add the finals and explain that they were averaged out.
Nowhere on Wikipedia are Preliminary numbers used on television pages and he's already been reverted on the season article by another editor. Would be appreciated if people could weigh in on this issue. 81.97.84.42 ( talk) 15:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Recently, I've been having a disagreement with TVBuff90. On the post-1997 U.S. broadcast TV schedules, the number of viewers (in millions) used to be shown, while on the the pre-1997 schedules, household ratings are shown. But a few years ago, TVBuff90 started changing the ratings info on the post-1997 schedules from viewers to household ratings. In mid-2015, I once reverted TrapKing1997 on the 1997-98 schedule (specifically, he had the viewership figures of NBC's Thursday lineup (with the final season of Seinfeld) changed to households), but I eventually backed away because I didn't want to get into an edit war with him.
And what makes TVBuff90 think that these "Tied with..." columns he keeps adding to TV shows' articles are necessary? It's easier to tie in household ratings than viewers. I even saw that he wiped the total-viewership data off the CSI: Crime Scene Investigation article, but luckily not from the articles of the CSI spin-offs (Miami, NY, and Cyber). The articles of the NCIS, Hawaii Five-0 (2010), and Grey's Anatomy have both household-rating and viewership figures listed. I talked to TVBuff90 about this in early April, and the responses he gave ("30 is all you get from Tim Brooks", and "That's just the way it is") weren't very helpful. I did tell him that household ratings were "meaningless" after 1997 because of the rise of cable channels, and the #1 series on U.S. broadcast-TV can barely get a "rating" of 10.0. Those post-1997 ratings are from "The Complete Directory of Primetime TV Shows", and it's unknown how the authors of those books got access to that household-ratings info. TVBuff90 acts like these primetime directories are the only source for TV ratings/viewership, but the viewership averages he's been wiping-out for post-1997 broadcast-TV shows may have sources themselves. I came to this page to request a Third Opinion on this matter, because I need better answers than what TVBuff90 gave instead of just arguing with him endlessly.-- Jim856796 ( talk) 03:06, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I think this is fine as at least a temporary solution. My preference is still to purge "Household" ratings in favor of "Total Viewers" whenever possible, but if "Total Viewers" figures are difficult to come by (at least on a weekly basis) prior to 1997, then we are probably stuck with using "Household" ratings prior to 1997. I do agree that ratings that are currently reported (or have been for a long time – e.g. any post-1997 TV show or season) as "Total Viewers" should not be changed to "Household", and I think any move to do say should be reverted, and then reported back here if there is any pushback. There has certainly been no consensus demonstrated here in favor of switching to "Household" ratings. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 02:15, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@ IJBall: and @ Heartfox: I want to inform both of you that the viewership averages for the CSI spinoffs ( Miami and NY) were removed from their respective articles yesterday (July 22), but the edits were not done by TVBuff90 this time. The removals were perpetrated by Alex21. I was going to end this discussion with my previous comment, but in light of this change, I have decided that I'm not going to just yet. Jim856796 ( talk) 15:56, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Season naming convention (continued). -- / Alex/ 21 08:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
I've been working on other revamps lately, but I'm starting to take note of some issues with {{ Infobox television channel}} and would be curious to hear some thoughts:
I'm not ready for an RfC on this quite yet, but I would like to hear some thoughts on potential improvements and other changes, and this is more open-ended than an RfC. Gonna ping some high-volume contributors to this field and a couple of relevant projects. Raymie ( t • c) 03:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I can understand the Callan tv show connection, but is the rest really needed? Govvy ( talk) 19:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Greetings....
For the past few weeks, while editing the 2019-20 United States network television schedule, my fellow editor MrE and I felt that there is quite a lot of confusion regarding which programming was significant enough to be included in the schedule and which wasn't. In a few instances filler programming that aired on tv for barely two weeks was included in the schedule, which unnecessarily bulked up the page and made it harder to navigate through. To put an end to this disorder, I opened a discussion on the schedule talk page and proposed that in order to prevent this issue from arising in the future, a criteria/guideline could be included in the schedule which clearly states that in order for a programme to added to the schedule it must air for a minimum of three weeks at a particular slot in the case of fresh episodes and four weeks in the case of encore repeats. The discussion was a successful one and consensus was gained among the five most frequent editors of the page that including this requirement in the schedule was a step in the right direction and was in fact long overdue. Details on this topic and the reason this minimum was decided on are explained at the schedule's talk page under the discussion with a similar title as this one.
Now, getting to the reasons for opening this discussion over here:
We feel that this change, like the one which renamed the sections within a schedule from 'Mid-season' and 'Follow-up' to proper seasons like 'Fall', 'Winter' etc will help significantly in improving the quality of these schedules.
Cheers!! TheRedDomitor ( talk) 07:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey! Sorry to bother again, but was thinking maybe to achieve a better range of consensus (or not) a draft should be made with all the guidelines to bring an actual proposal to the project. According to WP:PROPOSAL, it needs various steps to become a proper guideline, but I guess that as it may compromise many articles, it could be included under a new section into the Manual of Style/Television. Any thoughts? — MrE ( talk) 18:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Category:Television episodes in multiple parts, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, along with 2 of its sub-categories.
.A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the
categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at
the category's entry on the
categories for discussion page. Thank you. --
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See WT:COMICS#Batman: The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures. Dark knight 2149 15:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello all!
I was hoping to add a section with the reference of how technology was used in the 70s and 80s excluding the 90s.
Specifically, how satellites or other advanced technologies were driving consumer-grade technologies.
I am aware of the regions the V-Chips were used so my insight is the United States.
I believe it could be an interesting article because of how knowledge was progressed through this age in public schools.
I think this section is warranted or for the sake of argument a paragraph touching these real years and how we no longer use V-Chips.
Thank you,
SPiZlE — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPiZlE ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm asking this question on behalf of Arunya Sakthi, who twice, in good-faith, has attempted to add bulky plot content to Baal Veer, like here. While WP:TVPLOT wants to limit Plot section summaries to 500 words, Indian TV series don't have traditional western "seasons" and sometimes just everything is considered Season 1, and other times the network will just arbitrarily call something S2, S3, etc. There is no standard NN episodes = 1 season system. This is evident if we notice that the Baal Veer article claims that show has 2 seasons, but 1280 episodes.
Now if someone wanted to sit down and assemble a list of episodes, and write summaries of each of those 1280 eps, that would be fine within community guidelines. Assuming that nobody's going to do that, and assuming that the point of an encyclopedia is to communicate key aspects of the plot to readers, what else could Arunya do here? I notice that One Life to Live storylines (1990–1999) and similar articles briefly summarise key aspects of important arcs. Is this something the user could attempt? Is this something the community would oppose? If it's fine, should that be done in the main article, or should it be forked? What other options are there? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 23:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I have to add that outside of the US, there are basically no standard 'season' lengths, so asking for special treatment for India is strange. They can have a really long season... but the UK, for example, has a 'genre' called continuing drama which is basically exactly that: continuing. Seasons are arbitrary lengths for how many weeks they want it to run, sometimes being one hour-long episode every week plus a few specials and running summer to the Christmas after (that's a particularly extreme example, but lasting 40+ episodes is not uncommon). Nobody writing for those articles seems to have had a problem yet. And plot length restrictions are for page size, so unless there's a really good reason it shouldn't be extended. Kingsif ( talk) 02:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Masked Singer (American TV series)/archive2. Heartfox ( talk) 04:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/2020 Infobox television channel redesign proposal. Raymie ( t • c) 07:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Fast N' Loud episodes#Split. starship .paint ( talk) 13:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lovecraft Country (TV series) § Production codes. This discussion is about production codes from end credits. Editors are needed to weigh in on this. — YoungForever (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Live PD: Roll Call § RFC on tables in the article. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Warrior Nun (TV series) § Positive reviews. — YoungForever (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, just wondering where a TV crossover article (covering 5 episodes or something) would fit in to MOS:TVPLOT. Would it be classified as a series article or an episode article? I'm wondering how the 840-word plot (in prose) in Crisis on Infinite Earths (Arrowverse) fits the MOS. Heartfox ( talk) 00:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I would like to ask if Netflix's daily top 10 chart per country can be used on pages? I'm not sure if the same standers are applied to TV series charts, but per Wikipedia:Record charts, "Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer should not be used", meaning you can't add Amazon, Spotify, and iTunes charts. So I'm not sure if this applied to TV series and Netflix's daily top 10 charts. For example, saying XXX series trended as #1-10 in xyz country for # days. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 ( talk) 10:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, so a question for you all. In an article where we're trying to identify the main cast members, if the show's credits only list the singular "star" of the series, what do we do then? Context: This edit made in good faith, lists Rupali Ganguly as Main, because she plays the title role. I can't check the Hindi credits, but I believe Noobie anonymous suggested on my talk page that only the star is credited. What would you recommend in this case? It seems very hard to fathom that a narrative series could only have one main cast member, unless it's a monologue. Should we omit the Main/Recurring labels? Only have one person in Main? Something else? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Is there a better word for one? do we classify TV shows as a melodrama, i.e., is a 2017 Philippine melodrama? See also [[Category:Philippine melodrama television series]]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.93.40.241 ( talk) 13:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I notice the recent creation of One Plus One (TV Program). I'm pretty sure "TV Program" (with a capital 'P') isn't the right disambiguator, but I wasn't sure what the right disambiguator is: is it "TV program", "TV programme", "TV series" or "TV show"? Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 09:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:I Can See Your Voice (American TV series) § Merger discussion. Heartfox ( talk) 15:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I would appreciate opinions about the format of Draft:The Ellen DeGeneres Show (season 18), specifically comparing this layout to this layout. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
While editing the filmography in the George Lazenby article, he was in a season season 9 episode of Baywatch. So I went to list of episodes and seen the season 9 table is messed up. I was able to fix the header, but I've been racking my brain trying to figure out how to fix the rest of the table. I don't know what to do. If anybody can figure out the issue, that would be greatly appreciated. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 20:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I know WP is very stingy about fair use. Is the use of the 2 season posters at this article ok? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
What's our thoughts on how Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series) and Galactica 1980 are laid out, with their episodes being listed at List of Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series) and Galactica 1980 episodes? Should they be split and merged into the parent articles, as separate series, or kept as is? -- / Alex/ 21 02:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, could I please impose upon someone to look at this well-meaning edit by Ahecht and try to suss out what the intention was? The result was that the table is malformed and I'm not exactly sure how to fix it. (Also, Ahecht hasn't been active in a few days.) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Alchemiya is a website that has been called "Netflix for Muslims". Here is some coverage The National, Arab News, The Guardian, Dawn, Irish Tech News, BBC News, Saudi Gazette over a period of 2014-2018. Is the topic notable enough to merit an article? VR talk 19:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Is this really that notable? Or should the article be merged somewhere else with a redirect? Maybe one of the other articles in the template? Also, this template is rather large!!
On another note; the Template:CBS is somewhat strange with that logo to the right there. Govvy ( talk) 10:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
FYI, The Hollywood Reporter is now changing how it reports ratings numbers based on changes Nielsen has made. I know THR is rarely used to report final ratings, but sometimes there are small blurbs in their reports that discuss how an episode did in relation to past episodes. Still figured it was worth mention for members of the project who may not have seen this. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 23:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:I Can See Your Voice (German game show) § Merger proposal. Rfl0216 ( talk) 15:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ratched (TV series) § Production codes. — YoungForever (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ida Lupino and her husband, actor Howard Duff, starred together in the late 1950s sitcom called Mr. Adams and Eve. The played a movie star couple as more comedic situations spun around them.
I find it a little baffling that this series does not have its own page here on Wikipedia. I realize that it may not have been a big hit, but it pivotal in Lupino and Duff's career, and most especially their marriage. It was often thought of as a way of keeping the feuding real-life couple from divorcing.
Can something be done to make a Mr. Adams and Eve page here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.189.161.163 ( talk) 02:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Please come participate in the discussion on the V Wars talk page regarding whether a review from the site WhatCulture should be used in the article. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi. There are a series of omissions and a few mistakes in the article about television producer and writer Adam McKay, known for executive producing, directing and co-writing shows such as Succession (TV series) and Eastbound & Down. He also wrote and directed the films The Big Short (film) (2015), Vice (2018 film). And he directed and co-wrote Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (2004), Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (2006), Step Brothers (2008), The Other Guys (2010), and Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues (2013), all of which he co-wrote with creative partner Will Ferrell. I have a conflict of interest as I work for McKay. I’ve written up proposals to improve the article as “Request Edits” here: Talk:Adam McKay#“Help with article updates/corrections” I’ve tried my best to abide by all Wikipedia policies - including NPOV and Verify but it needs an independent review to abide by Wikipedia policies. While I have added these to the Request Edit official queue, it appears that almost no one is answering this queue anymore -- requests have been sitting there since July. So if anyone here might like to review this article, highly relevant to this project, I would really appreciate it. Please feel free to reach out with questions. Thanks! Losangeles48 ( talk) 21:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
What's the better (or more accepted) layout for a franchise article? Arrowverse (see the Series, Characters, Crossovers), or Criminal Minds (franchise) (see the Series, Characters, Crossovers). -- / Alex/ 21 09:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi to all! I recently made edits to this page (my edits can be found here), as it was listed on Cleanup listing for WikiProject Pakistan. This page is longer then it needs to be. There is a huge, unnecessary list of programmes aired/currently airing on this channel, and have no citations. I left a message on the article's talk page about the edits. No one replied and I went forward with it ( WP:BOLD). Then, an unregistered user, edited the article and basically reverted it back to its original state. That IP pops up in the Edit History every now and then. How am I to proceed with this. Can this be treated as vandalism? The user is unregistered, so I can't ping them and talk directly. Need help. SuddenlyMangoes ( talk) 08:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I've started a discussion
here about whether the number of episodes in an upcoming miniseries (
Zack Snyder's Justice League) should be present in its infobox.
Sock
(tock talk)
11:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion for List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series actors to potentially split off content into two new articles and some additional input on what those article names should be would be appreciated. You can find the discussion here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Peer review/The Masked Singer (American TV series)/archive2. Heartfox ( talk) 18:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Goran Bogdan (a henchman who dies early in the series), has a decidedly supporting role. However, I do not understand why in the article, for three years now the falsity that this is not the case has to pass. On this page you can see in detail the Main cast of Fargo 3 and the recurring cast (Bogdan considers that he is not even included in the recurring cast). If you wanted to change the section you could quote this note. On the contrary, what note would you quote to show that Bogdan is part of the Main cast?
-- Kasper2006 ( talk) 08:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I would appreciate if someone give their input on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cplustv (2nd nomination). -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 23:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Is it permissible to make a category for people who have appeared on Den 11. time? -- Ysangkok ( talk) 23:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mango (Saturday Night Live) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mango (Saturday Night Live) (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite ( talk) 22:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you, Right cite ( talk) 18:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
There's been a bit of discussion across multiple articles about production codes lately, I think there needs to be some agreement on it. Are production codes needed if the production order is the same as the airing order? They provide no further information in that case, and are basically duplicate information. The unique "format" of the production code (like "1MBD01" or "T27.13951") really has zero importance to the reader. -- / Alex/ 21 00:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The unique "format" of the production code (like "1MBD01" or "T27.13951") really has zero importance to the reader.says it all. :^) -- Izno ( talk) 02:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I have proposed a template split for {{ Netflix original ended series}} and the discussion can be found here. Since this template falls under this WikiProject and templates are not listed in Article Alerts, I am posting here. If anyone has an oppinion please discuss. Thanks Terasail [Talk] 15:33, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Anybody have any examples of an article about a TV show that has a list of episodes incorporated into that article? All the shows I can think of have standalone episode list articles. I'm trying to find a decent example to point editors to, should they want to incorporate a LoE in an article. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 17:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I think it is time to stop using that term to refer to streaming series... it just looks weird and it is not a common term used for these shows. Not a single reliable source refers to Netflix or Hulu or Disney Plus (etc.) shows as "web television" shows. It's better to just call them streaming shows or in this day and age is it even necessary to distinguish in that way from other cable shows? Spanneraol ( talk) 20:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Gilligan's Island is a comedy television series that was broadcast on CBS from...", for the "streaming series" the ledes could be changed to say something like
The Society is an American mystery teen drama television series created by Christopher Keyser, that was released via streaming on Netflix on May 10, 2019.The latter gets the same idea across, without saying "web television series", but while still including the term "streaming"... So this is an alternative approach. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 23:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
I support this! Change and link to "streaming television" instead of "web" TV per above, or IJBall's phrasing. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 15:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
The big difference with streaming is that seasons are usually released "all at once"Hmm, maybe just Netflix. Most anime websites do not and I do not think Hulu/CBS All Access/Amazon do so. -- Izno ( talk) 00:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello there, I just need help to make sure if it's allowed to list, with reliable sources, titles, airdates and production staffs for upcoming episodes that have not yet been released in their respective table and if it's permissible for foreign series to use an unofficial provisionnal english title, literaly translated from the original one while waiting for the official english title from the licensed company to be known? Or should it stay blank until then? And same question for foreign series without any official licensing in english at all? Need a general opinion on that matter as it is rather treated inconsistently on some articles. Closesophy ( talk) 21:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
"Faithfully translating sourced material into English [...] is not considered original research.",
"Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations."So why a literral translation of the english titles would not be accepted if there is no translation published by reliable sources about a foreign article? What about a series that never got localized in any english speaking countries, or episodes that never aired outside of the country of origin for censorship reasons? Leaving the original title without any translation won't be pleasing to read for english readers in my opinion. Closesophy ( talk) 23:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
If we have information for a bunch of episodes it should go in an episode table, it makes no sense to have a long list in prose when there is an established format that is far more readable. CRYSTAL is also no excuse for hiding known information. Readers are smart enough to know that the dates we add with reliable sources are the planned dates and could change in the future. CRYSTAL also often doesn't apply to other episode information since we generally don't learn those until after/during production. - adamstom97 ( talk) 11:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Thoughts are needed on the following matter: Talk:The Walking Dead (TV series)#Rotten Tomatoes reports 305 reviews for season 10. What?. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 03:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Relevant discussion at the link above. DrKay ( talk) 16:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if there is a category under Television that handles web-based series, if any. And if so, what infobox template would I use to create a new article about the series. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 23:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Game of Thrones#Which season 8 episodes should we highlight in the lead as having especially received criticism?. A permalink for it is here.
If you are someone who hasn't watched the show (at all), or hasn't watched it to the end, and don't want to get spoiled on it, then I just suggest not looking at this matter and commenting on it.
Flyer22 Frozen (
talk)
02:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
List of creatures in Primeval has been nominated for deletion for a fourth time. All are invited to participate in the discussion, which may be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of creatures in Primeval (4th nomination). -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 19:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
I've started to update IMDb links to season articles so it goes to each respective season page (if not specified, it just goes to the latest season). This is done by adding |season=[x]
to the IMDb template. But, I'm wondering if this could be done by a bot or script, where it could just grab the season number from the article title and be done automatically. For members who are more familiar with bots/scripts, can you possibly comment on this? Thanks.
Drovethrughosts (
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15:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I noticed on a whole bunch of television pages that the TVbythenumbers source is dead. These are pages where the ratings source wasn't archived meaning the link is dead and the source is now useless. What can be done? Replace with Showbuzz Daily or TV series finale? 81.96.245.175 ( talk) 19:07, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Showbuzz Daily do not include the total shares (18–49), Programming Insider and TV by the Numbers are the ones that included total shares (18–49). Replacing the TV by the Numbers (which included the total shares (18–49)) with
Showbuzz Daily is considered to be WP:SYNTH.— YoungForever (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Technically speaking, anyone who edits / contributes to TV related articles is a participant, and there are no requirements other than that.Be bold and fix it yourself. — YoungForever (talk) 23:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
This November, wp:Women in Red is focusing on women working behind the scenes in theatre and broadcasting. As TV is an important component here, we hope members of WP Television will be inspired to participate. You can find further details at Stage+Screen+Radio+Podcast. The Women in Red invitation for November is copied below. Please feel free to send it to any potentially interested participants or projects.
Women in Red | November 2020, Volume 6, Issue 11, Numbers 150, 173, 178, 180, 181
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-- Ipigott ( talk) 10:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Diriliş: Ertuğrul and Kuruluş: Osman has been decorated with some free-use posters (2 each), and I'm not sure if they're within WP-doctrine. If someone with knowledge wants to take a look. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
What is the reliability of TV Tango? According to their About Us page, they are run by two people. I have personally found the viewership/ratings in their episode lists reliable, and especially useful because it can be hard to find that old info elsewhere. Heartfox ( talk) 18:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm trying to get a community temperature reading for an award like Zee Rishtey Awards. From what I can tell, the Zee television network nominates people from its own network then I guess people can call in/text in and vote on their favourites. Some "awards" include "Best Jodi" (best pair) and "Best Social Swagger" (see Ishq Subhan Allah, for instance). I've previously asked about the Star Parivaar Awards, which was an entirely in-house award, the Zee Rishtey appears to be slightly different in that the public plays some part in the results. From my perspective, though, it reeks of self-aggrandisement and self-promotion.
Related to this, does WikiProject Television have a stance on whether or not to include awards where notability has not been established? Per WP:FILMCRITICLIST, awards without corresponding articles shouldn't be included, but there's nothing at MOS:TV about that. I know that some people get wiggy about writing anything down in the form of a MOS, but if there's nothing written down, then there's no way to pare down fluff from articles like Ishq Subhan Allah, or to educate editors on community preferences. I'm also a bit unclear on whether this is even under the purview of WikiProject Television, since award bloat typically appears in biographies. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I need some pairs of eyes on the articles. Several IP addresses and not autoconfirmed or confirmed editors have disruptive editing by changing airdates against the reliable sources. — YoungForever (talk) 18:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Should this be merged into I, Claudius (TV series)?... I really can't think of any reason why it shouldn't be. Comments? -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 00:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Does the community have an opinion about how we present information when a character is depicted as dying in a series? I run into articles all the time like this, where in the overview you'll see:
And in the cast section you'll see:
To me, including all these "dead"s feels a bit weird, as if we're treating fictional shows the way we treat Big Brother, by indicating everybody who's been evicted. And in Indian entertainment articles there is a hyper-fixation on labeling everything, so I might be over-sensitive to that. But if we track the entire path a character takes, I could see an argument for keeping them. In some cases though, like with the overview, it seems silly to indicate who died before we even get into the meat and potatoes of who the characters and cast are. Regards, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Johnny Depp as Sheriff Bill MacGuffin (seasons 1–2). -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)