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Quick question: I believe there are rules against emptying categories that have been nominated for deletion (or merging), but apart from
WP:C2F (...provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination.
), is there any other? I couldn't find any. Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
talk) 08:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Nederlandse Leeuw, Qwerfjkl, TSventon, and Johnbod: I'm opening a closely related discussion infra, namely, Speedy nomination of just emptied categories. JoergenB ( talk) 15:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I've filed an edit request to change the background colour of {{ CfD top}} from bff9fc to caf0f2 (or at least something similar). SWinxy asked that I establish consensus or at least notify users here.
bff9fc is a lovely colour, but en masse it is somewhat... gaudy (if not "eye-searing"). Here's how a collapsed discussion currently looks:
Here's how it would look with the proposed colour change:
Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 19:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not against the idea, per se, but if we're going to change it, I would prefer that we change it to a named web colour and not to a numeric code. - jc37 22:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
This is an example of text (Azure) |
This is an example of text (LightCyan) |
This is an example of text (PaleTurquoise) |
This is an example of text (PowderBlue) |
This is an example of text (LightBlue) |
This is an example of text (SkyBlue) |
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I have a feeling that these colours will appear differently depending on the screen/screen type. I have little doubt that the current colours likely look ok on a CRT, but we're now in a world of flat screens, laptops, tablets and phones, among other things. - jc37 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
I've started a draft for a tutorial on closing CfDs. It is by no means finished, but I'd like to hear your thoughts. — Qwerfjkl talk 16:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I have to wonder whether this entire category tree shouldn't be nuked. There generally won't be any notable "media" in a "franchise" that aren't "mass", and this category tree and its propagation down to things like Category:Blade Runner (franchise) mass media with subcats like Category:Blade Runner (franchise) films makes it very difficult to find the works that are completely central to the franchise to begin with. Plus all this extraneous injection of "(franchise)". It just led to a categorization editwar at Blade Runner, and there are probably other instances, but just making the categories a confusing and frustrating waste of time for readers is the main issue.
I'm opening this for some general discussion first before launching a large-scale CfD, in case there's some really, really compelling reason for this mess that I somehow can't see yet. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
C2F, for an eponymous category with no content but the eponym itself, is listed here as a speedy deletion criterion — but it is not available as a deletion rationale in the drop-down menu if I actually try to delete a category on those grounds, meaning that I have to manually come to the list of speedy deletion criteria to refresh my memory of what its section code even is before I can delete a category on those grounds. Is there any way to get it added to the drop-downs? Bearcat ( talk) 19:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Template:NewdelrevCFD has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- 65.92.247.90 ( talk) 07:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Should the M be capitalized in Category:Foreign Ministers of Germany or Category:Foreign ministers of Gabon. The categories are very inconsistent. Note, this also affects the equivalent categories for Defense Minister/minister. Naraht ( talk) 03:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Offices, titles, and positions ... are common nouns ... They are capitalized only in the following cases:
When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon; Pope John XXIII, not pope John XXIII.
When a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office, e.g., the Queen, not the queen (referring to Elizabeth II); the Pope, not the pope (referring to Francis).
When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself, is not plural (my, DB1729's, emphasis), is not preceded by a modifier (including a definite or indefinite article), and is not a reworded description:
Even when used with a name, capitalization is not required for commercial and informal titles: OtagoSoft vice-president Chris Henare; team co-captain Chan.
The formality (officialness), specificity, or unusualness of a title is not a reason to capitalize it.
Note that for "president of the United States" or "prime minister of the United Kingdom", the name of the country remains capitalized even when the title is not, as it is always a proper noun. When writing "minister of foreign affairs" or "minister of national defence", the portfolio should be lower cased as it is not a proper noun on its own (i.e. write minister of foreign affairs or, as a proper noun, Minister of Foreign Affairs; do not write minister of Foreign Affairs).— MOS:JOBTITLE
All Categories starting with "Foreign Minister of" should be changed to "Foreign minister of" based on MOS:JOBTITLE since not about a single person as a Job Title. Naraht ( talk) 18:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
If I !vote "oppose" to a Speedy, should I move that item into the "Opposed requests" section? Or will this be done according to a review / timed cleanup process? Thanks for the information. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Before listing merges at WP:CFDW, please check whether parent categories or other page contents need to be merged. In this set (which happened to be from the Speedy page), some additional parents and portals needed to be merged. Unusually, for that set, there was a category header template, and the missing page content could be incorporated into that. Normally, any missing parents or other content have to be added manually. – Fayenatic London 15:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
This discussion was closed 10 days ago but the category is yet to be moved. Is their something I am supposed to do to move it? I thought a bot performed to move automatically. ––– GMH Melbourne ( talk) 12:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Background: Some months ago, I had a category which I created several years ago nominated for a WP:C1 speedy deletion. I was lucky enough to notice this in time. It took me a couple of hours to find out what had happen. (It was in high probability due to a pure editing mistake; someone had overwritten the category while adding another (unrelated) one to the only member article.) I fixed this, but also asked for tools for finding newly emptied categories, and their contents. I got good answers (@ Explicit and Liz, thanks again). Liz, who tipped me about the fairly recent tool User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer (CCV), which actually works even better than she claimed. (@ Nardog: Have you improved your code recently?) She also wrote
(For further details, se my and Explicit's talk pages.)
Experimental investigation: For the given reasons, last Thursday (2023-11-30), I decided to check precisely how some recently empty (or emptied) categories were treated. I thus checked all categories then listed on the WP:Database reports/Empty categories, which were not yet deleted. As far as I remember, there were less than 10 items; and all of them were tagged for WP:C1 deletion by Liz. However, three of them were recently emptied. All three had existed (and had had content until recently, but probably sparse) for several years, and thus probably might be counted among the "not uncommon but discouraged" cases Liz mentioned (if I understood this comments correctly). I think that in at least two of the three cases a "more correct" procedure would have been to nominate the categories for deletion for explicit reasons, without (or possibly in parallel to) emptying them.
At the same time, I do appreciate the diligent maintenance and edits done by e. g. Liz and Explicit; and I do understand that their workloads may be increased by following such procedures—especially when it would include putting back the recently removed content. I also looked briefly at the discussion example Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive 19#Where does it actually say you should not just empty a category you don't like?, provided by TSventon. However, in that case, much of the opposition to "stricter procedures" seemed to be related to a wish to be able to deal quickly with recently added (and according to an experienced user improper) categories. I think that this is a valid point (altough I also think that trying not to bite newbies unduly sometimes could motivate a slightly slower provcedure). However, none of the three Thursday examples were of this kind; the categories were old and had adequate content.
The examples: For reference I give the three examples, and some suggestions for alternative procedures.
@ Liz and Bearcat: I notice that Liz yesterday notified Bearcat about more than twenty empty categories, although their names and super-category clearly indicated that they were created as project assesment class collections, which we should not tag for deletion just because they happen to be empty. I looked at that supercategory, Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention, and found that Bearcat created a much larger amount of them (hundreds?), around Oktober 4. Liz, you only tagged those that accidently are empty right now. Beatcat, you consistently avoided the themplates which seemed to be employed by all other creaters of such pages, as Template:Category class and Template:Category importance (not to mention the TOC-tools). I do not think that any of these should be tagged for deletion (and probably those Liz already deleted should be restored); but I also suspect that Bearcat should repair all of them (tagged or not; which probably will take hours, if you have no bot help). Liz, could you explain to us ordinary mortals how these categories should have been written? JoergenB ( talk) 16:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
There is a category Category:Films about fraternities and sororities. If a film only contains mentions of a sorority (like, I believe Insecticidal may), or only contains mentions of a fraternity like Batch '81, should those have to be split out into separate categories? It seems messy... Naraht ( talk) 16:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
The category was speedy moved to Category:Non-free images of film posters, however, about 4K files have the category added by a template. Would it be possible to recruit bot to replace in every file {{non-free poster|image has rationale=yes|Fair use images of film posters}} with {{non-free poster|image has rationale=yes|Non-free images of film posters}}? Thanks. Ymblanter ( talk) 18:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Roman Catholics has Category:Former Roman Catholics as a sub-category, which seems to be a contradiction in terms. You can't be both a Roman Catholic and a former Roman Catholic, at the same time. Do I just remove the sub-cat from the main category; or does a discussion need to take place? And if so, what type of discussion? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
User:Woodensuperman and User:Qwerfjkl, the discussion covered two category formats: Fooian-language Netflix original programming and Fooian-language Netflix original films. The latter should have been merged into Category:Netflix original films rather than Category:Netflix original programming. -- Paul 012 ( talk) 06:12, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Original erroneous merge targets
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* [[:Category:Arabic-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Arabic-language films]]
* [[:Category:Dutch-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Dutch-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:English-language films]]
* [[:Category:Filipino-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Filipino-language films]]
* [[:Category:French-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:French-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hebrew-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Hebrew-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hindi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Hindi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Indonesian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Indonesian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Italian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Italian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Japanese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Japanese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Korean-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Korean-language films]]
* [[:Category:Malayalam-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Malayalam-language films]]
* [[:Category:Mandarin-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Mandarin-language films]]
* [[:Category:Marathi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Marathi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Norwegian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Norwegian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Polish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Polish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Portuguese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Portuguese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Russian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Russian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Spanish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Spanish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Swedish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Swedish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Tamil-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Tamil-language films]]
* [[:Category:Telugu-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Telugu-language films]]
* [[:Category:Thai-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Thai-language films]]
* [[:Category:Turkish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Turkish-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original films]] to [[:Category:English-language films]], [[:Category:Amazon Prime Video original films]] and [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original programming]]
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* [[:Category:Arabic-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Arabic-language films]]
* [[:Category:Dutch-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Dutch-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:English-language films]]
* [[:Category:Filipino-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Filipino-language films]]
* [[:Category:French-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:French-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hebrew-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Hebrew-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hindi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Hindi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Indonesian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Indonesian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Italian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Italian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Japanese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Japanese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Korean-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Korean-language films]]
* [[:Category:Malayalam-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Malayalam-language films]]
* [[:Category:Mandarin-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Mandarin-language films]]
* [[:Category:Marathi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Marathi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Norwegian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Norwegian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Polish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Polish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Portuguese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Portuguese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Russian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Russian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Spanish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Spanish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Swedish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Swedish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Tamil-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Tamil-language films]]
* [[:Category:Telugu-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Telugu-language films]]
* [[:Category:Thai-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Thai-language films]]
* [[:Category:Turkish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Turkish-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original films]] to [[:Category:English-language films]] and [[:Category:Amazon Prime Video original films]]
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Ah, I forgot to follow-up on this, but it appears 2pou has manually done the repairs. Thanks and sorry for that. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 11:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
At some point an editor or editors tried (I've since reverted) adding Wales, England & Scotland to Category:Countries in Europe. In order to avoid this happening again? We should have the category renamed (i.e. moved) Category:Sovereign states in Europe. Indeed we should do this for 'all' Categories of countries. Change'em from 'countries' to 'sovereign states'. GoodDay ( talk) 22:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Would an administrator please open an RM at "Category:Countries in Europe", with the proposal to 'move' to "Category:Sovereign states in Europe"? Same for "Category:Countries in North America", etc. GoodDay ( talk) 22:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
If a category was previously considered and deleted, can it be reconsidered and undeleted? MR.RockGamer17 ( talk) 21:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I’m in mobile right now and can’t list this category: Category:XMAG (magazine), which is pointless and has article content in it, and only one page. BhamBoi ( talk) 21:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The bot just performed the merger of Category:Missing people found deceased to Category:Formerly missing people, following a CFDS nomination by Davidgoodheart, which also saw input from Suncheon Boy, Marcocapelle, Smasongarrison and Fayenatic london. However, the category should have been deleted, not merged, as consensus at the previous discussion was to delete the category as non-defining. Merging resulted in the pollution of the target category, which I understand was supposed to be about people who went missing but were later found alive. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 03:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, there's clearly a big difference between people who went missing then turned up alive and those who were found dead. They were presumably separately categorised at the time of the 2020 CfD, but following the deletion of Category:Formerly missing people found dead, editors then lumped them together in Category:Formerly missing people. This seems to go against the intent of that CfD and is quite clearly undesirable if you ask me; I can see why Minerva97 (whom I forgot to ping earlier) re-created and populated it as Category:Missing people found deceased, even if she was unaware of the previous discussion.
Anyway, however we got here, the more relevant question is how to move forward. We could start a new CfD to either (A) re-split Category:Formerly missing people into missing-then-alive and missing-then-dead people (overturning the previous CfD result), or (B) rename it to more clearly reflect what I assume is the original intended scope and purge the missing-then-dead to enforce the previous CfD outcome. However, maybe this discussion alone is enough indication that the situation and consensus has changed in the intervening three years, so "the reason for the deletion no longer applies", negating G4. In that case (C) the bot actions can simply be reverted, restoring Minerva97's split. That would avoid the need to manually purge or re-split the category again, which would be needed should we go the new CfD route. Or we could also (D) do nothing.
Pinging the still-active previous CfD participants Namiba, RevelationDirect, Marcocapelle, Johnpacklambert, Dimadick, and DexDor, and closer MER-C. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 03:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
This whole conversation is frustratingly collegial; doesn't anyone feel adamant? - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
This CSD request is incorrect and should never have been approved; the main article is at VfL Bochum and so all categories should be at Category:VfL Bochum XXX.
Please can the moves be reverted and the old categories restored on articles? Giant Snowman 22:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village Pump (proposals) § Bump XfD heading sizes about potentially increasing the header size of XfD discussions. Primefac ( talk) 06:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Following the British, Scottish, English and Northern Ireland cats, which have now all been moved from Queen's Counsel to King's Counsel, shouldn't the same be done for this category?
Thanks, -- NSH001 ( talk) 23:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
The category Category:2023 in horse racing is included into Category:2023 in equestrian which has been deleted and moved to Category:2023 in equestrian sports. (The same problem is for every year). I tried to find which template which sets the category but I can not see where it is. Could someone help me please? It probably requires just one edit for every year in some template. Thanks. Ymblanter ( talk) 19:52, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
I just want some feedback before I decide on whether to nominate these categories.
What do you think about upmerging all team categories in
Category:Minor league baseball coaches? My argument is:
a) there are very few articles for minor league coaches in general; mostly, these are often retired major leaguers.
b) for some teams, especially older ones, there aren't records for coaches so there isn't really a way to verify if they actually coached that team or not.
Basically, I question whether making baseball coaching categories by team, especially for obscure and/or defunct teams is helpful for navigation. My own personal opinion is to merge the team coach categories with Category:Minor league baseball coaches and simplify navigation. But I want some feedback on this. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I've noticed at a lot of recent Cfds which were nominated and have since been closed as 'merge', 'delete', or 'rename' (and so on) have been stalled for some reason have been stalled and haven't gone through. They are starting to pile up I feel and I think something should be done about it.
Pinging @ Marcocapelle, @ Ymblanter, @ Smasongarrison, @ HouseBlaster, @ Qwerfjkl. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 01:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chemical Biology has been tagged for CfD, but has no corresponding discussion ( "this category's entry"). This seems to be a straight-forward duplicate of Category:Chemical biology, but I'm not familiar with CfD or categories in general. Should this be renominated or can this be merged/redirected with no discussion as uncontroversial? ― Syn path 18:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Quick question: I believe there are rules against emptying categories that have been nominated for deletion (or merging), but apart from
WP:C2F (...provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination.
), is there any other? I couldn't find any. Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
talk) 08:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Nederlandse Leeuw, Qwerfjkl, TSventon, and Johnbod: I'm opening a closely related discussion infra, namely, Speedy nomination of just emptied categories. JoergenB ( talk) 15:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I've filed an edit request to change the background colour of {{ CfD top}} from bff9fc to caf0f2 (or at least something similar). SWinxy asked that I establish consensus or at least notify users here.
bff9fc is a lovely colour, but en masse it is somewhat... gaudy (if not "eye-searing"). Here's how a collapsed discussion currently looks:
Here's how it would look with the proposed colour change:
Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 19:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not against the idea, per se, but if we're going to change it, I would prefer that we change it to a named web colour and not to a numeric code. - jc37 22:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
This is an example of text (Azure) |
This is an example of text (LightCyan) |
This is an example of text (PaleTurquoise) |
This is an example of text (PowderBlue) |
This is an example of text (LightBlue) |
This is an example of text (SkyBlue) |
This is an example of text (Lavender) |
I have a feeling that these colours will appear differently depending on the screen/screen type. I have little doubt that the current colours likely look ok on a CRT, but we're now in a world of flat screens, laptops, tablets and phones, among other things. - jc37 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
I've started a draft for a tutorial on closing CfDs. It is by no means finished, but I'd like to hear your thoughts. — Qwerfjkl talk 16:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I have to wonder whether this entire category tree shouldn't be nuked. There generally won't be any notable "media" in a "franchise" that aren't "mass", and this category tree and its propagation down to things like Category:Blade Runner (franchise) mass media with subcats like Category:Blade Runner (franchise) films makes it very difficult to find the works that are completely central to the franchise to begin with. Plus all this extraneous injection of "(franchise)". It just led to a categorization editwar at Blade Runner, and there are probably other instances, but just making the categories a confusing and frustrating waste of time for readers is the main issue.
I'm opening this for some general discussion first before launching a large-scale CfD, in case there's some really, really compelling reason for this mess that I somehow can't see yet. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
C2F, for an eponymous category with no content but the eponym itself, is listed here as a speedy deletion criterion — but it is not available as a deletion rationale in the drop-down menu if I actually try to delete a category on those grounds, meaning that I have to manually come to the list of speedy deletion criteria to refresh my memory of what its section code even is before I can delete a category on those grounds. Is there any way to get it added to the drop-downs? Bearcat ( talk) 19:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Template:NewdelrevCFD has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- 65.92.247.90 ( talk) 07:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Should the M be capitalized in Category:Foreign Ministers of Germany or Category:Foreign ministers of Gabon. The categories are very inconsistent. Note, this also affects the equivalent categories for Defense Minister/minister. Naraht ( talk) 03:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Offices, titles, and positions ... are common nouns ... They are capitalized only in the following cases:
When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon; Pope John XXIII, not pope John XXIII.
When a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office, e.g., the Queen, not the queen (referring to Elizabeth II); the Pope, not the pope (referring to Francis).
When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself, is not plural (my, DB1729's, emphasis), is not preceded by a modifier (including a definite or indefinite article), and is not a reworded description:
Even when used with a name, capitalization is not required for commercial and informal titles: OtagoSoft vice-president Chris Henare; team co-captain Chan.
The formality (officialness), specificity, or unusualness of a title is not a reason to capitalize it.
Note that for "president of the United States" or "prime minister of the United Kingdom", the name of the country remains capitalized even when the title is not, as it is always a proper noun. When writing "minister of foreign affairs" or "minister of national defence", the portfolio should be lower cased as it is not a proper noun on its own (i.e. write minister of foreign affairs or, as a proper noun, Minister of Foreign Affairs; do not write minister of Foreign Affairs).— MOS:JOBTITLE
All Categories starting with "Foreign Minister of" should be changed to "Foreign minister of" based on MOS:JOBTITLE since not about a single person as a Job Title. Naraht ( talk) 18:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
If I !vote "oppose" to a Speedy, should I move that item into the "Opposed requests" section? Or will this be done according to a review / timed cleanup process? Thanks for the information. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Before listing merges at WP:CFDW, please check whether parent categories or other page contents need to be merged. In this set (which happened to be from the Speedy page), some additional parents and portals needed to be merged. Unusually, for that set, there was a category header template, and the missing page content could be incorporated into that. Normally, any missing parents or other content have to be added manually. – Fayenatic London 15:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
This discussion was closed 10 days ago but the category is yet to be moved. Is their something I am supposed to do to move it? I thought a bot performed to move automatically. ––– GMH Melbourne ( talk) 12:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Background: Some months ago, I had a category which I created several years ago nominated for a WP:C1 speedy deletion. I was lucky enough to notice this in time. It took me a couple of hours to find out what had happen. (It was in high probability due to a pure editing mistake; someone had overwritten the category while adding another (unrelated) one to the only member article.) I fixed this, but also asked for tools for finding newly emptied categories, and their contents. I got good answers (@ Explicit and Liz, thanks again). Liz, who tipped me about the fairly recent tool User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer (CCV), which actually works even better than she claimed. (@ Nardog: Have you improved your code recently?) She also wrote
(For further details, se my and Explicit's talk pages.)
Experimental investigation: For the given reasons, last Thursday (2023-11-30), I decided to check precisely how some recently empty (or emptied) categories were treated. I thus checked all categories then listed on the WP:Database reports/Empty categories, which were not yet deleted. As far as I remember, there were less than 10 items; and all of them were tagged for WP:C1 deletion by Liz. However, three of them were recently emptied. All three had existed (and had had content until recently, but probably sparse) for several years, and thus probably might be counted among the "not uncommon but discouraged" cases Liz mentioned (if I understood this comments correctly). I think that in at least two of the three cases a "more correct" procedure would have been to nominate the categories for deletion for explicit reasons, without (or possibly in parallel to) emptying them.
At the same time, I do appreciate the diligent maintenance and edits done by e. g. Liz and Explicit; and I do understand that their workloads may be increased by following such procedures—especially when it would include putting back the recently removed content. I also looked briefly at the discussion example Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive 19#Where does it actually say you should not just empty a category you don't like?, provided by TSventon. However, in that case, much of the opposition to "stricter procedures" seemed to be related to a wish to be able to deal quickly with recently added (and according to an experienced user improper) categories. I think that this is a valid point (altough I also think that trying not to bite newbies unduly sometimes could motivate a slightly slower provcedure). However, none of the three Thursday examples were of this kind; the categories were old and had adequate content.
The examples: For reference I give the three examples, and some suggestions for alternative procedures.
@ Liz and Bearcat: I notice that Liz yesterday notified Bearcat about more than twenty empty categories, although their names and super-category clearly indicated that they were created as project assesment class collections, which we should not tag for deletion just because they happen to be empty. I looked at that supercategory, Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention, and found that Bearcat created a much larger amount of them (hundreds?), around Oktober 4. Liz, you only tagged those that accidently are empty right now. Beatcat, you consistently avoided the themplates which seemed to be employed by all other creaters of such pages, as Template:Category class and Template:Category importance (not to mention the TOC-tools). I do not think that any of these should be tagged for deletion (and probably those Liz already deleted should be restored); but I also suspect that Bearcat should repair all of them (tagged or not; which probably will take hours, if you have no bot help). Liz, could you explain to us ordinary mortals how these categories should have been written? JoergenB ( talk) 16:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
There is a category Category:Films about fraternities and sororities. If a film only contains mentions of a sorority (like, I believe Insecticidal may), or only contains mentions of a fraternity like Batch '81, should those have to be split out into separate categories? It seems messy... Naraht ( talk) 16:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
The category was speedy moved to Category:Non-free images of film posters, however, about 4K files have the category added by a template. Would it be possible to recruit bot to replace in every file {{non-free poster|image has rationale=yes|Fair use images of film posters}} with {{non-free poster|image has rationale=yes|Non-free images of film posters}}? Thanks. Ymblanter ( talk) 18:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Roman Catholics has Category:Former Roman Catholics as a sub-category, which seems to be a contradiction in terms. You can't be both a Roman Catholic and a former Roman Catholic, at the same time. Do I just remove the sub-cat from the main category; or does a discussion need to take place? And if so, what type of discussion? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
User:Woodensuperman and User:Qwerfjkl, the discussion covered two category formats: Fooian-language Netflix original programming and Fooian-language Netflix original films. The latter should have been merged into Category:Netflix original films rather than Category:Netflix original programming. -- Paul 012 ( talk) 06:12, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Original erroneous merge targets
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* [[:Category:Arabic-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Arabic-language films]]
* [[:Category:Dutch-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Dutch-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:English-language films]]
* [[:Category:Filipino-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Filipino-language films]]
* [[:Category:French-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:French-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hebrew-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Hebrew-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hindi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Hindi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Indonesian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Indonesian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Italian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Italian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Japanese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Japanese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Korean-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Korean-language films]]
* [[:Category:Malayalam-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Malayalam-language films]]
* [[:Category:Mandarin-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Mandarin-language films]]
* [[:Category:Marathi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Marathi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Norwegian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Norwegian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Polish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Polish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Portuguese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Portuguese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Russian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Russian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Spanish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Spanish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Swedish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Swedish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Tamil-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Tamil-language films]]
* [[:Category:Telugu-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Telugu-language films]]
* [[:Category:Thai-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Thai-language films]]
* [[:Category:Turkish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original programming]] and [[:Category:Turkish-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original films]] to [[:Category:English-language films]], [[:Category:Amazon Prime Video original films]] and [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original programming]]
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Corrected targets
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* [[:Category:Arabic-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Arabic-language films]]
* [[:Category:Dutch-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Dutch-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:English-language films]]
* [[:Category:Filipino-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Filipino-language films]]
* [[:Category:French-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:French-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hebrew-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Hebrew-language films]]
* [[:Category:Hindi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Hindi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Indonesian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Indonesian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Italian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Italian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Japanese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Japanese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Korean-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Korean-language films]]
* [[:Category:Malayalam-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Malayalam-language films]]
* [[:Category:Mandarin-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Mandarin-language films]]
* [[:Category:Marathi-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Marathi-language films]]
* [[:Category:Norwegian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Norwegian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Polish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Polish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Portuguese-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Portuguese-language films]]
* [[:Category:Russian-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Russian-language films]]
* [[:Category:Spanish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Spanish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Swedish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Swedish-language films]]
* [[:Category:Tamil-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Tamil-language films]]
* [[:Category:Telugu-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Telugu-language films]]
* [[:Category:Thai-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Thai-language films]]
* [[:Category:Turkish-language Netflix original films]] to [[:Category:Netflix original films]] and [[:Category:Turkish-language films]]
* [[:Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original films]] to [[:Category:English-language films]] and [[:Category:Amazon Prime Video original films]]
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Ah, I forgot to follow-up on this, but it appears 2pou has manually done the repairs. Thanks and sorry for that. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 11:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
At some point an editor or editors tried (I've since reverted) adding Wales, England & Scotland to Category:Countries in Europe. In order to avoid this happening again? We should have the category renamed (i.e. moved) Category:Sovereign states in Europe. Indeed we should do this for 'all' Categories of countries. Change'em from 'countries' to 'sovereign states'. GoodDay ( talk) 22:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Would an administrator please open an RM at "Category:Countries in Europe", with the proposal to 'move' to "Category:Sovereign states in Europe"? Same for "Category:Countries in North America", etc. GoodDay ( talk) 22:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
If a category was previously considered and deleted, can it be reconsidered and undeleted? MR.RockGamer17 ( talk) 21:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I’m in mobile right now and can’t list this category: Category:XMAG (magazine), which is pointless and has article content in it, and only one page. BhamBoi ( talk) 21:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The bot just performed the merger of Category:Missing people found deceased to Category:Formerly missing people, following a CFDS nomination by Davidgoodheart, which also saw input from Suncheon Boy, Marcocapelle, Smasongarrison and Fayenatic london. However, the category should have been deleted, not merged, as consensus at the previous discussion was to delete the category as non-defining. Merging resulted in the pollution of the target category, which I understand was supposed to be about people who went missing but were later found alive. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 03:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, there's clearly a big difference between people who went missing then turned up alive and those who were found dead. They were presumably separately categorised at the time of the 2020 CfD, but following the deletion of Category:Formerly missing people found dead, editors then lumped them together in Category:Formerly missing people. This seems to go against the intent of that CfD and is quite clearly undesirable if you ask me; I can see why Minerva97 (whom I forgot to ping earlier) re-created and populated it as Category:Missing people found deceased, even if she was unaware of the previous discussion.
Anyway, however we got here, the more relevant question is how to move forward. We could start a new CfD to either (A) re-split Category:Formerly missing people into missing-then-alive and missing-then-dead people (overturning the previous CfD result), or (B) rename it to more clearly reflect what I assume is the original intended scope and purge the missing-then-dead to enforce the previous CfD outcome. However, maybe this discussion alone is enough indication that the situation and consensus has changed in the intervening three years, so "the reason for the deletion no longer applies", negating G4. In that case (C) the bot actions can simply be reverted, restoring Minerva97's split. That would avoid the need to manually purge or re-split the category again, which would be needed should we go the new CfD route. Or we could also (D) do nothing.
Pinging the still-active previous CfD participants Namiba, RevelationDirect, Marcocapelle, Johnpacklambert, Dimadick, and DexDor, and closer MER-C. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 03:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
This whole conversation is frustratingly collegial; doesn't anyone feel adamant? - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
This CSD request is incorrect and should never have been approved; the main article is at VfL Bochum and so all categories should be at Category:VfL Bochum XXX.
Please can the moves be reverted and the old categories restored on articles? Giant Snowman 22:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village Pump (proposals) § Bump XfD heading sizes about potentially increasing the header size of XfD discussions. Primefac ( talk) 06:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Following the British, Scottish, English and Northern Ireland cats, which have now all been moved from Queen's Counsel to King's Counsel, shouldn't the same be done for this category?
Thanks, -- NSH001 ( talk) 23:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
The category Category:2023 in horse racing is included into Category:2023 in equestrian which has been deleted and moved to Category:2023 in equestrian sports. (The same problem is for every year). I tried to find which template which sets the category but I can not see where it is. Could someone help me please? It probably requires just one edit for every year in some template. Thanks. Ymblanter ( talk) 19:52, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
I just want some feedback before I decide on whether to nominate these categories.
What do you think about upmerging all team categories in
Category:Minor league baseball coaches? My argument is:
a) there are very few articles for minor league coaches in general; mostly, these are often retired major leaguers.
b) for some teams, especially older ones, there aren't records for coaches so there isn't really a way to verify if they actually coached that team or not.
Basically, I question whether making baseball coaching categories by team, especially for obscure and/or defunct teams is helpful for navigation. My own personal opinion is to merge the team coach categories with Category:Minor league baseball coaches and simplify navigation. But I want some feedback on this. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I've noticed at a lot of recent Cfds which were nominated and have since been closed as 'merge', 'delete', or 'rename' (and so on) have been stalled for some reason have been stalled and haven't gone through. They are starting to pile up I feel and I think something should be done about it.
Pinging @ Marcocapelle, @ Ymblanter, @ Smasongarrison, @ HouseBlaster, @ Qwerfjkl. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 01:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chemical Biology has been tagged for CfD, but has no corresponding discussion ( "this category's entry"). This seems to be a straight-forward duplicate of Category:Chemical biology, but I'm not familiar with CfD or categories in general. Should this be renominated or can this be merged/redirected with no discussion as uncontroversial? ― Syn path 18:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)