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Issue: Before the Military History Project loses another article with a “provincially titled war” to the “global American Revolution” (Global-ARW), perhaps this Notice Board can arrive at a Project-wide standard for ARTICLE SCOPE in American Revolution sister articles.
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@ TheVirginiaHistorian: - may I direct your attention to Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Layout, especially the part about "Avoid excessive use of color and other font gimmicks". Frankly, I find your posts almost unreadable at times with all the underlining/colors/bolding/etc that you employ. You might get more responses if they were less marked up and less lengthy. Just some advice. -- Ealdgyth ( talk) 13:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
My copy of the Oxford Companion to Military History has an entry titled "American independence war" which covers the period 1775–1783 and encompasses the loss of the British colonies. However, it includes the expansion of the war into a global one including France and its Spanish ally, and the Dutch, as well as the League of Armed Neutrality. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 05:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
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(1) The ARW "embraces" Euro great power wars? That sounds upside-down-and-backwards. I thought Euro historiography posited a Anglo-French Second Hundred Years' War, and the ARW fitted inside it, as did the French and Indian War fit inside the Seven Years' War though it also started in North America.
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Respectfully - TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 22:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC) |
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These authors, both American historians and 'international perspective' Euros, distinguish between two (2) wars against Britain 1778-1783. One (1) is an insurrection by British subjects in North America, one (1) is imperial rivalry by nation-states globally. There is no Congressional revolt made into an ethereal "war spread worldwide" without evidence of human agency. That would "connect dots where there are no connections" as a willful act of ungrounded historiography. - TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 20:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Was the ship Chanticleer reported wrecked on Pemba Island, Zanzibar on 8 December 1868 a merchant vessel or HMS Chanticleer (1861)? Two sources just state she was a barque, [1] [2] whilst a third says it was HMS Chanticleer, [3] which is known to have been barque-rigged. The only Chanticleer in Lloyd's Register for 1868 was a steamship. [4] Mjroots ( talk) 10:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
THE REPORTED LOSS OF H.M.S. CHANTICLEER, THERE can be now no doubt that the rumoured loss of this vessel originated through a mistake. A " Friend of the Commander of H.M.S. Chanticleer," dating from Ryde, writes as follows to a London contemporary :—" In your issue of yesterday the following appeared in your ' Summary' column : A telegram from Bombay announces the wreck of her Majesty's ship Chanticleer off the coast of Zanzibar,' &c. Now, the last news we have of this ship is that she left Panama on the 23rd of November for Vancouver's Island, where she was expected to arrive on the Bth or loth of January. She is on the North American and Pacific station, and it is, therefore, very unlikely she could have reached Zanzibar, on the east coast of Africa, a distance, I think, of about 13,000 miles. Nov please look to your issue of the 18th inst. Under shipping news you will find : ' Mahe (Seychelles), Jan. 23. The Chanticleer, barque, of Shields, from Bombay to Zanzibar, struck on a reef off the north-east end of Pemba Island, December 8, and became a total wreck,' &c. To those who have friends on board her Majesty's ship Chanticleer, and who have not remarked the last paragraph, what suspense and misery this telegram must have caused, especially to those who are at a distance from any nautical friend who might be able to reassure them."—Hampshire Telegraph.
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A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Battle of Westerplatte; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks!. An interesting article about one of the very first battles of WWII. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Strategic Air Command in the United Kingdom; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! An article about the USAF bomber force in the UK between 1949 and 1992. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
It is strange that both WikiProject and task force with similar scope exists. They are WikiProject Cold War and Cold War task force (MILHIST). Members of MILHIST must look into this problem. -- Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 10:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a merge discussion at Talk:Song-Xia War (1040–1044) that would benefit from input from the Wikiproject. Thank you for your input. // Timothy :: talk 16:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated British Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Quality posts here ( talk) 19:21, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@ A D Monroe III: An interesting question of minutiae has arisen. It occurred to me that since numbers are not connected to languages, it is a mistake to hyphenate them when attached to non-English terms. An example is Fliegerkorps VIII and Fliegerkorps VIII; A. D. Monroe demurs and I wonder if there is any WP on such a matter? Keith-264 ( talk) 07:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Individual preference then, apart from ADMs insistence on knowing the minds of hypothetical readers. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 01:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The A-Class review of the 8th Missouri Infantry Regiment (Confederate) needs the attention of a few more editors; any input there would be much appreciated. Hog Farm Bacon 03:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Last month User:Fram nominated a series of articles for mass deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1989 Portuguese Armed Forces order of battle. Now he has started to nominate the articles of his earlier mass deletion request for deletion again; starting with: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Structure of the Austrian Armed Forces in 1989. noclador ( talk) 15:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
It was listed in the article alerts for this project, here and here. And here as well. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Article alerts lists 9 current AfDs, are you going to post them all here and berate the nominators for not having it posted here? Fram ( talk) 09:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Does this nihilism include champions of pensions for ex-service personnel? Nerrida5 ( talk) 10:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I Nerrida5 ( talk) 10:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone like to improve Battle of Ypres, a WP:SIA which looks as if it was once a WP:DAB page, into an article?
One of a colleague's interests is fixing bad or ambiguous links to WP:PTOPICs and SIAs. He recently remarked to me, "A few [pages] such as Battle of Ypres are old sparring partners and I've already done what I can; the remainder refer to the battles as a group or need an expert".
The SIA gives no background or context as to why two armies spent four years fighting over that particular piece of mud. An overview of that battlefield and its timeline could be a useful addition.
Battles of the Isonzo does a respectable job on Italy's WWI placename of horror. Narky Blert ( talk) 18:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Neutral powers during World War I
If anyone has time, please contribute to this draft article. 2601:85:C101:BA30:FDBB:852E:A1F:5DB3 ( talk) 22:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I overhauled this guy's article, it was a months-long project as I had to create the articles for the battles he fought in. I think his article can still be polished to be a bit better, as in general stuff, i.e. spell checks and the like. Thing is, I'm really tired, I think I'll largely put off Wiki work for the remainder of the year. If anyone is interested to take a look and maybe do some polishing, that would be greatly appreciated. Also needs a new rating, it certainly isn't a Start-class anymore. Transylvania1916 ( talk) 15:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Battle of Glasgow, Missouri, at least to me, looks a little nonstandard in disambiguation. I'm wondering if Battle of Glasgow (1864) would be better; but I'm just not sure. The other two entries at Battle of Glasgow are disambiguated with the year, although they were in similar places. Are battles generally disambiguated by date or location, and if by location, should it be the current title or Battle of Glasgow (Missouri)? Hog Farm Bacon 15:45, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project may not be aware, but the mine countermeasures vessel HS Kallisto was cut in two in a collision with a container ship this morning. The article is not in good shape, being just above stub class. Can we do better? Mjroots ( talk) 18:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
An Rfc concerning the lede of French Revolution is under discussion at Talk:French Revolution#rfc_CF45697. Your feedback would be appreciated. Mathglot ( talk) 18:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Red Tail Squadron, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Bacon 19:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Just created the page Structure of the Royal Air Force, please feel free to add/remove/change any information you think is necessary. SmartyPants22 ( talk) 22:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a move discussion at Talk:French Air Force#Requested move 25 October 2020 that could use more participants. Garuda28 ( talk) 13:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Webley Revolver for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 16:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't suppose anyone has a copy of The Official Names of the Battles and other Engagements fought by the Military Forces of the British Empire during the Great War, 1914–1919, and the Third Afghan War 1919, which was a report by the British "Battles Nomenclature Committee"? I'm looking for the official name of the campaign against the Marri and Khetran tribes on the North-West Frontier in 1918. I think it was the "Operations against the Marri and Khetran tribes". The battle honour awarded was "Baluchistan 1918", the operations are also known by "Marri Field Force", "Marri Punitive Expedition" etc. I'm drafting an article at User:Dumelow/Operations against the Marri and Khetran tribes - Dumelow ( talk) 17:45, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
According to the jacket of a book he published in 1956, Colin Campbell Garbett was "twice mentioned in dispatches". I can find no other source for this, nor any record of his military service; likely in the Indian Army in WWI. (I have found a WWI medical card for someone of that name, but nothing to tie him to my subject.) Can anyone assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Template:Infobox military conflict specifically says not to do this for the "result" field, stating this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive" . . . Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical", or contradictory statements like "decisive tactical victory but strategic defeat"
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I've been busy cleaning up lots of Turkish/Ottoman articles that used decisive much to the ire of a Turkish IP editor). Anyone that wants to help out with other countries it's quite simple to search for "result [insert country name] decisive victory" (such as the British ones for example). Thank you. FDW777 ( talk) 13:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, if someone has a few minutes, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yugoslav destroyer Zagreb/archive1 needs a source review, and is otherwise good to go. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 02:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Project members may be interested to hear that the Project coordinators have awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves to Buidhe. This is the first time they have been awarded in over four years. The citation reads
It is with genuine pleasure that I award you the Military History Project's WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves for having met the requirement to have "made contributions of truly incredible quality or importance in the area of military history." The Project, corporately, notes that you have produced four FAs and an FL of impeccable quality, focusing on the difficult topic of the Holocaust and the persecution of Jews. And 42 GAs with a broader range but the same central theme. In addition you have somehow found time to be the Project's premier source and image reviewer. The Project members' throughput of A class and Featured articles would be much the worse without your work. We salute you.
Gog the Mild ( talk) 15:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
its a common addition to some decorations to create a higher rank or award.Yes, I know that. But, the citation above proclaims
WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves. If you look at the image at
Hello. I know I'm not a member here. However, would anyone else like to discuss my merger proposal from British Army Structure In 2010 into Army 2020 as discussed in Talk:Army_2020#Merger_proposal ? At best into Army_2020#Background . Thank you all. BlueD954 ( talk) 07:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello again. There is currently a move discussion at Talk:Future_of_the_British_Army#Requested_move_31_October_2020 that I started and could use more participants. BlueD954 ( talk) 13:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Happy Sunday. I made a WP:PROD for List of British Army Regiments (2008). Please see the rationale for the PROD in the article. I feel other corresponding articles like List of British Regular Army regiments (1962) and List of British Regular Army regiments (1994) need to be either 1) Improved with sources or references added 2) Merged into Units of the British Army or face 3) PROD or face WP:AFD. Thanks. BlueD954 ( talk) 03:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
So is he dead or not? His article says that he is but I can't find any reliable confirmation that he was killed. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 12:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Found a book called Sabotage in Greece, its on sale at Amazon, Barnes and Noble as well as being available at Google Books. However the publisher is Lulu.com, so it seems to be self published. Is it considered RS or not?-- Catlemur ( talk) 17:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Could I please get some opinions on this draft? It doesn't quite seem like he meets WP:SOLDIER, and the references are almost entirely lists, but as a non-Indian I have no idea how "significant" these awards are supposed to be. Thanks! Primefac ( talk) 23:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
An editor is repeatedly adding the terms "Slightly light" and "heavy" as casualties in the infobox at Mongol invasions of Vietnam which are not only unreferenced, but also relative terms that are meaningless without context. Other editors' attention would be appreciated.
See the talk page section for more details. — MarkH21 talk 03:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Note there is a conversation ongoing regarding the use of navboxes in the lead of article which could have a knock on effect for campaign boxes: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Sidebars (navboxes) should NOT be used in the lead. I have not had the time to read it fully, and I note a couple of familiar names from this project, but given the significance, I thought I would flag it up here without prejudice. Harrias (he/him) • talk 20:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I would like to alert members to this merger discussion Talk:Army_2020#Merger_proposal and this proposed move Talk:Future_of_the_British_Army#Requested_move_31_October_2020. Thanks. BlueD954 ( talk) 15:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
We have the HMS Surly article. Weren't there at least two vessels of that name. The Standard, 22 October 1869 reports on the sale of four RN vessels, amongst them Surly, a gunvessel built in 1856 at Newcastle. Should the HMS Surly article be moved and the title converted to a shipindex page? Mjroots ( talk) 08:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I've moved the ship article to HMS Surly (1894) and converted HMS Surly to a shipindex page and linked it with the fi-Wiki page. Mjroots ( talk) 18:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone see why I'm getting the Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors message? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 11:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello there! In Piccadilly line, I am mentioning about the manufacturing of torpedo sights during World War II at one of the stations. However, I heard that sights is a rather vague or incorrect term. Can someone suggest a better term? I heard that periscopes are incorrect too. Thank you so much (the current version of the article states torpedo periscopes for easier searching via CTRL+F) Vincent LUFan ( talk) ( Kenton!) 04:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I have mentioned some problems with the rules for military conflict infoboxes at
Template talk:Infobox military conflict#rules for Result parameter.
ThoughtIdRetired (
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Ran across what looked like some blatant COI editing on an article, relating to a one-man publishing operation. Nuked it.
On the other hand, I looked at some other pages that cite this author/publisher, and read a couple works, and some of it was not at all bad, although a couple bits reminded me a little too much of Toy.
Any insight on it? Qwirkle ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
This gives an accessible example; here is the fellow’s website. (The blogacious aspects of it I pass over as a given.) Qwirkle ( talk) 02:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
May be well meaning; definitely not helpful. Qwirkle ( talk) 21:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Could one of you folks well-versed in WWII take a look at this? Thanks. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 07:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. Can I add Norways Chief of Defence, Eirik Kristoffersen to this project? I recently created the page, and are open for improvements and input. The main issue is the ribbon section not looking good, as I tried to copy the template in the Norwegian version. I will probably try to fix this tomorrow.-- Znuddel ( talk) 21:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
FYI; there is an RM at Talk:Naval Facilities Engineering Command that could use a few extra sets of eyes. Cheers - wolf 12:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Paul Kagame for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. ( t · c) buidhe 04:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey everyone, an IP user on the Talk:List of revolutions and rebellions page thinks it's better to separete both revolutions and rebellions which are (let's say) both significant different from each other. It also has 193,641 bytes which is a lot but since this is an important list it's better to ask futher comments here before spliting it. You're all invited into the chat. Cheers. CPA-5 ( talk) 16:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I think the new auto-rating function is a great labor saving device but I can't figure out why MilHistBot rated my article ( old version) as C-class due to insufficient referencing and citations? (All info is cited inline, except the lead.) ( t · c) buidhe 17:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
May I ask interested editors to join the discussion at
Talk:Channel Dash#Retrograde edit? This originated as a subsidiary point under
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Can anyone assist with the sourcing issue noted at Talk:No. 238 Squadron RAF#Missing sources, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, there is an orphaned project Category:Military science articles by quality which contains 1 log page, that is probably left over from a renaming of a task force. Just wanted to bring it to your attention, thanks! Funandtrvl ( talk) 03:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
G'day everyone, Hawkeye7's Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Manned Orbiting Laboratory/archive1 needs some additional reviewers. I acknowledge that astronautical articles aren't always considered mainstream Milhist fodder, but reviewing it is no different from reviewing an article in an area you aren't familiar with. If you can spare some time, I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 22:00, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Can a kind soul sort out the Commons category template as I can't work out how to make it work. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 16:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, a couple more reviewers are needed for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/55th (West Lancashire) Infantry Division/archive2, which covers the interwar and WWII version of this formation. It also needs a source review. If you can spare a bit of time to take a look, it would be greatly appreciated, I'm sure. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 22:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Long, long ago - there was a forum or a portal where one could request assistance in creating maps, diagrams etc. Does that still exist? If yes - how do I reach those guys (I need a military map created for an article)? Any advice would be appreciated. Farawayman ( talk) 23:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Ref. Eirik Kristoffersen#Awards and decorations: Can somebody try to fix the Brigadeveteranforbundet Badge of Honour ribbon?
It works fine in the Norwegian article, and was showing on the English article before I tried to edit the code. -- Znuddel ( talk) 07:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Notable or not? Ping me. Bearian ( talk) 02:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
While reviewing and editing our article about LTC Daniel Gade (USA Ret.), I have wanted to confirm my working assumption that the Bronze Star Medal Gade received was for reasons other than valor or heroism in combat. But I cannot ascertain a reliable method to determine if a Bronze Star was awarded for valor in combat or not. What method(s) do you all recommend? Many thanks - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 02:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow MilHist Wikipedians. I notice that there is an omission of a 'Task forces (periods and conflicts)' what must be a critical period of time, namely between World War I and World War II. Is there any reason for this omission? Bearing in mind that significant development of many critical technologies took place between the two world wars (from 1918 to 1939), I humbly suggest that a new task force be created. (Ironically, as I type this, the Interwar period article has no task forces!). May I suggest a name for this new task force? Namely: Inter-war. Apologies if this has been discussed before, I was not able to easily find any archived discussion. Best regards. -- 78.32.143.113 ( talk) 09:56, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Once you have settled on a name, this will need to go through the task force incubator process at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Incubator; the instructions are detailed on that page, but it is essentially designed to make sure there is enough interest and scope for a group or task force before its creation. Harrias (he/him) • talk 16:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Interbellum, one word, one meaning, no hyphens, no nonsense; synonyms allowed. Keith-264 ( talk) 21:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I recently came across a bad link to sentries in Ivory Coast expedition. The DAB page didn't help a lot, but after some digging around I settled on picket (military) as the next best thing. During my travels, I came across sentry box; which linked uselessly to sentry (disambiguation).
We have an article on vedette (sentry), which in the sense I'm thinking of is a sentry with a horse. We do not seem to have an article on the PBI meaning; which ranges from the ceremonial (" They're changing guard at Buckingham Palace") through the routinely practical (guards at gatehouses, or over gunpowder, the rum store, or a gibbet ( The Widow of Ephesus)) to the short-straw job from Antiquity onward ("You stay awake while the rest of us sleep, and raise the alarm if we're attacked - and do try not to get killed").
An anthem song in English, and another in German ( parallel text) (The German Lied feels accurate - my father once told me that two of his sentries were knifed in Normandy in 1944.)
As it's this time of year, Santa Clausewitz. Narky Blert ( talk) 05:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Iran has designated the US Armed forces as a "Terrorist Organization". A pair of users added this item, with refs, to the lead of the US Armed Forces page, as well as the leads of all the branch articles. The additions have been removed by multiple editors. A discussion on the issue has been started on the US Armed Forces talk page. I'm posting this here in case anyone would like to contribute. Cheers - wolf 15:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Talk:List_of_tanks_of_the_Soviet_Union#Requested_move_5_November_2020 thanks! ( t · c) buidhe 05:42, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, if you have a few spare minutes, given it is mid-month it would be good to knock over the human checks of Milhistbot's October assessment work here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#AutoCheck report for October. Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 22:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Can someone write a bot that will tag the talkpages of all the articles that have already been tagged as belonging to WP Espionage, WP Blades and WP Firearms with the WP MILHIST tag and vice versa?-- Catlemur ( talk) 15:36, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I've changed the box to Template:Infobox military installation but can't find a way to get a map in. Can anyone offer advice on how to do it? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 14:13, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
See Talk:Battle_of_Tippecanoe#WP:URFA/2020. I conducted checks of one of the sources, and found serious issues with information not supported to the citations. If anyone happens to have access to Funk, Cave, or Owens, could you do some spot checks? I have serious concerns about the text-source integrity of this article. Hog Farm Bacon 06:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
The {{ Dreadnought class battleship}} template has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 06:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all! I’m new to the MilHist project and looking to offer help, be it research, photos or finding sources on any articles particularly (NON-BALKAN) and perhaps focused on military hardware and tech by Americans, Canadians British, Australians or general Western European. Please let me know of any articles I can help out as all these lists are a bit overwhelming and have now idea where start. OyMosby ( talk) 00:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Our article on RAF Castle Archdale has a 1945 date of closure; it was in use into the 1950s. Does anyone have the correct date please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I've updated the article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for French battleship Charles Martel; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 04:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Battle of Blenheim for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. ( t · c) buidhe 02:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
He is described as a wrestler (he studied in Navy Academy), later Read Admiral. Needed biography. Xx236 ( talk) 11:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
And also Lt. Swigart, USN on the Olympic roster from that year. Given his wrestling appearance is not even in his obituary, this illustrates the ridiculousness of compiling stubs out of Olympic databases. How many other stubs are about people not primarily notable for their Olympic achievements and fail to adequately describe the subject's life? Kges1901 ( talk) 13:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
So I came across these two:
I'd like to know which is more correct or preferred. Dawnseeker2000 21:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
It looks like the move will go thru (though there appears to be more disdain for milhist and the editors here than there was consensus for support). - wolf 18:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps an RfC is needed. I would suggest here, but apparently subject-specific WikiProjects are irrelevant, so perhaps at MOS:CAPS to address the whole milterm guideline. (jmho) - wolf 13:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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, but these are not guidelines, policies, or any other form of "rule". If a wikiproject is very certain that something in MoS does not meet a topical need, then they propose a change at
WT:MOS (or the talk page of the relevant MoS sub-page, e.g.
WT:MOSCAPS). And, no, MoS and other site-wide guidelines are not "local", but exactly the opposite. The very reason we have
WP:CONLEVEL policy is because ArbCom got tired of again and again telling wikiprojects that they could not make up their own "rules" in defiance of site-wide guidelines and policies. I'm going to assume this is just one random editor who has policy completely backwards, but if anything like this confusion is rampant in this project, that's ... kind of a problem. —
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Battle of Svolder is a 2007 FA promotion in need of significant work. I've given it a notice for possible future FAR as part of WP:URFA/2020. My concerns are at Talk:Battle of Svolder#FA concerns. This is not an area of military history I know basically anything about, but it would be nice if some project members could get this up to par, so a FAR can be avoided. Hog Farm Bacon 06:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask for some opinions on Richard Smith (soldier), which I have just come across? On the face of it a colour sergeant who was recommended for (but did not receive) a commission doesn't meet the notability requirement - Dumelow ( talk) 09:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Some of you may be interested in a set of six drawings I have just uploaded, into c:Category:Sacre Bleu! (British Army officer).
The unnamed artist is described as:
An Officer (aka ‘Sacre Bleu’) in A Company, 2nd Essex Regiment on the Somme, 1916.
Three of the images are of buildings; the other three of named army officers: Scout Officer A G Allen, Captain F.W. Stevens, and "General Sir E Allenby K.C.B / 3rd Army", aka Edmund Allenby, 1st Viscount Allenby.
Any additional info on artist or subjects will of course be welcome. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
As some of you know, there have been some rather heated AfDs lately that lay out the orders of battle of a national army in a particular year, usually a year thought to capture some significant stage of that army's organization. One of the sticking points seems to be that the choice of a particular year is usually somewhat arbitrary. During a discussion at AN/I, I suggested that a more durable way to structure this information might be to relate it to watershed events that brought about major changes in the structure. E.g., for the British Army, one might have articles on the regimental structure during the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars, after the Childers reforms, the Haldane reforms, etc., with each article detailing the minor changes that took place up until the next major article. Obviously, this would result in a different set of articles for each national army.
I don't have the sources or knowledge to do this very effectively myself, but I hope there are some project members who would be interested in this. Would it be possible to spin up a project page somewhere to try to outline what series of articles would work for each country? I'd be happy to WP:REFUND sourced material from the deleted articles if others can figure out a structure that is likely to survive AfD. Choess ( talk) 20:35, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I reject the idea that a detailed listing of the Russian Air Force's central units; or the Turkish Army, could be considered "wargamer cruft." The only reason why the central formations of the RuAF have not been updated into "Structure of the Russian Air Force" or similar for recent years is that I was very careful to reflect the original source, Kommersant-Vlast, which was not updated since 2008; and no reliable listing for the Turkish Army has appeared since 2008 (or, arguably, since 2004's study by DCAF). Both represented the best picture available for their subject at the time, and have not substantively been updated in any reliable source to be able to present a current listing. As defined by "multiple, independent and reliable" in terms of notability, the general structure of the Russian air force, for example, has been repeatedly covered by Western aviation magazines, as well as Yefim Gordon's voluminous series of books over and over again, so according to our definitions, saying they have "no notability" is simply incorrect, proved so by repeated coverage.
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help); Aleksandr Stukalin, Mikail Lukin, ‘Vys Rossiyskaya Armiya’, Kommersant-Vlast, Moscow, Russia, (14 May 2002);
Андрей Демин, генерал-майор, командующий войсками Командования ПВО-ПРО Войск ВКО. «Небесный щит Центральной России. К 60-летию ордена Ленина Московского округа противовоздушной обороны» Газета «Военно-промышленный курьер» № 30 (548) за 20 августа 2014 года.Could some more knowledgeable editors look at this article? I can't easily find anything to substantiate it, the article on Osman I makes me suspicious that records this specific could exist, and the event doesn't seem to be mentioned in the book Byzantium and the Turks in the Thirteenth Century. It's translated from tr.wiki, and just hesitant about potentially being involved in a hoax... Thanks! Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for your attention. I actually wrote in the article's discussion page (but now, it seems like the article is deleted) and REFUND page. I am writing here as well because I wanted to directly let you know that this conquest was a legitimate one - Osman was in charge during this conquest with the help of Kayi people (in fact, he was the leader of Kayi people). Reputable historians, such as Danismend and Inalcik, mention about this conquest in their writings. I, or anyone who can read in Turkish, can also verify that. Though, we need to change the name of the article to Kayı conquest of Kulaca Hisar Kalesi. Regards.-- Dakmor Tojira ( talk) 19:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I have some 7 images of a naval action (battle) during the Greek War of Independence at the Entrance of the Bay of Patras, where an English Squadron ( Admiral Codrington) and Egyptian & Turkish (Ottoman) Fleets fought it out from 1-6 Oct 1827. Does this engagement have a name, and if not, what should it be named? Further to that a number of major naval battles took place in the Gulf of Patras: the Battle of Patras in 1772, and the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, one of the largest naval battles ever fought. Lepanto itself lies further east, in the Gulf of Corinth. Should this engagement be mentioned under Gulf of Corinth or Gulf of Patras or Bay of Patras? -- Broichmore ( talk) 13:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
American Revolutionary War, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for value. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 23:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
A. "American Revolutionary War” | B. "War of the American Revolution" |
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continuity - used at this WP article and sister articles for 19 years - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America - participants British & US Congress with respective allies, auxiliaries & combatants - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US: independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland-fish & cure - results - US independence & republic; Britain the biggest US trade partner & finances US expanding business & Treasury - reliable scholarly reference Britannica for the general reader - prominent adherents - all 15 history Pulitzer winner scholars on the topic |
modern update - uses 'vast majority of sources' found in a browser search - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America, spread to Anglo-Bourbon (Fr.&Sp.) War-across worldwide empires, Fourth Anglo-Dutch War-North Atlantic, Second Mysore War-Indian subcontinent & Ocean - participants British & US Congress, France, Spain, Dutch Republic, Kingdom of Mysore - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland-fish & cure -- Bourbons: Gibraltar, Jamaica, Majorca, expand Gambia trade, expand India trade -- Dutch - free trade with North America & Caribbean -- Mysore wider east-Indian sub-continent sphere of influenced results - Second British Empire, Spanish Majorca, French Gambia, further decline of Dutch Republic - reliable scholarly reference [world military dictionary] for the military specialist - prominent adherents - Michael Clodfelter, more to follow |
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I've done a clean up but left a Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors mistake behind. Can anyone see what it is? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 12:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been looking at the articles for D-Day and after-D-Day articles. The first one is Invasion of Normandy which is assessed as Start. This article redirects to the second-listed article Operation Overlord which is assessed as GA. Should there be two articles with different assessments in the table? How about just having Operation Overlord, the one article? Adamdaley ( talk) 08:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Some of you may be interested in the 212 images I have just categorised as c:Category:Medals in the Portable Antiquities Scheme (the Portable Antiquities Scheme records architectural finds in England and Wales).
Some of these are military, and some of them are associated with named awardees.
Most of them need additional categorisation! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello! New choom here. Well, not so new. I've actually been writing MilHist articles since 2004 (French Air Force in WW2) and regularly doing spaceflight articles since the end of 2018, most of which have some sort of military character (e.g. SOLRAD 1 and SOLRAD 2).
WP editing can be lonely, unsung work. Is there a place in the MilHist project where folks discuss what they've been working on, what they've completed, and what they plan to do?
Pleasure to be formally on the team (added myself to members).
(P.S. If you've got a review stalled at G.A. or F.A., feel free to ping me. Always happy to lend a hand.)
-- Neopeius ( talk) 18:13, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
AyodeleA2 is doing a great deal of excellent translation work, but my G-Translate of this article's Ru-equivalent comes out as "Cadet school for state pupils of the First Moscow Cadet Corps" - that is, "Pensions" may actually be "Pupils." Can someone with better Russian skills than mine check the translation? AyodeleA2, this is no black mark against you, but we all can make mistakes from time to time.. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I gave a notice in the talk page of the article Hispanic Americans in World War II as part of WP:URFA/2020. The article is in need of significant work, as detailed in that notice. Since WP:MILHIST is a very active project, I'm posting this note here to alert editors that might potentially be interested in improving the article, in the hopes of avoiding FAR. RetiredDuke ( talk) 23:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, Harry Mitchell's Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Portsmouth War Memorial/archive1 has two supports, source and image reviews, and just needs another review to get over the line. If you have a bit of spare time, I'm sure Harry would appreciate it. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 00:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know of any sources that could be used to ref up or expand this article (Biden's DoD secretary nominee)? I'm relying pretty heavily on an archived official biography at the moment ( [12]) and I would like something better. Anything that would add some extra detail or context would be appreciated. Thanks! AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 18:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, hope you are all well. I have been drafting a new article and have spent a good amount of time on it - Draft:RAF Lakenheath near nuclear disasters. I was hoping to be able to get someone to review it for me. I thought the topic area of my article (two Broken Arrow nuclear incidents) might be of interest to people on this page. If anyone could review it for me would be immensely grateful. Snugglewasp ( talk) 17:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Are we missing a HMS Marlborough, or was this ship a rebuild? Mjroots ( talk) 12:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone who maintains or knows how to maintain the Knights Cross awards list / banner please take a look at Talk:90th Light Infantry Division (Wehrmacht). Your assistance would be appreciated. Farawayman ( talk) 18:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Humphrey Atherton ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I decided to have a quick look at one of the articles listed above at #Missing/broken ref final sweep and what I found was a bit of a disaster and not worthy of GA status. Both the original GA nominator and reviewer are inactive, and I have made a drastic suggestion at Talk:Humphrey Atherton#Article problems - good article review, wholesale reversion, or capable of being salvaged? which would benefit from more input, as I am hesitant to take the drastic action without a clear consensus. Thank you. FDW777 ( talk) 09:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I’ve left a comment on the talk page here regarding a name change, but it could affect other, similar pages, so I’m looking for other opinions. Any thoughts? Xyl 54 ( talk) 01:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Technology during World War II is one of the worst Wikipedia articles I have ever come across. Hopefully some editors on this project might want to have a go at it - it seems to be a monumental challenge. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 19:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
After those years I came back in this topic and I've searched whether or not they indeed were "insurgents". After a while I found this by:
I found these:
These are all the sources who call those groups "guerrilla groups". Reuters and the Guardian are one of the biggest and trustfully sources; thus, this is kind of a big deal. If it's true that "guerrillas" the same are then "insurgents" is it possible to get the article back? If there's a different, but they still are rebels then I'm curious what name the conflict could gain. I'd love to hear your answer(s). Cheers. CPA-5 ( talk) 17:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, given we are nearly at the half-way mark of the month, it would be good to knock over the human checks of Milhistbot's work at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#AutoCheck report for November soonish. many hands make light work. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 02:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
This three articles should be checked, I think.
I am not here to blame the editor, but I think there are multiple problems in these articles. First, it is based on only one or certain resource, which was written by appleman (1961). Second, if you see the paragraphs, it seems that they just might copy the references. Third, because it doesn't have any other references, we are not sure about whether titles of these articles fit with policies of Wikipedia. Maybe, we might have to delete this section, so I want some opinion about these articles. Thank you! -- Wendylove ( talk) 05:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
I started a move request discussion a week ago ( Talk:Bougainville Civil War#Requested move 4 December 2020), debating whether it is either Bougainville Civil War or conflict. I welcome your input there. -- George Ho ( talk) 11:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
my article on American logistics in the Northern France campaign is languishing at FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/American logistics in the Northern France campaign/archive1 for want of reviewers. The article is technical and complicated like World War II in general, so the subject isn't too popular, but it is important. If anyone could pitch in with a review, it would be greatly appreciated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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So I posted this in the talk page for that article a few weeks ago, but didn't really get a response so I figured I'd actually try the WP but... Is this is a periodization of Native American conflicts (similar in the sense to the Second Hundred Years' War or Mexican Indian Wars) used in American historiography? Assuming that it is, my question would be, do historical academics in the United States include First Nations conflicts that occurred (exclusively) in Canada in this periodization? Cause as far as I'm aware, Canadian historical academics do not use a term like First Nations Wars in a manner that this article claims and seems to be using it in (and this seems to be reflected through an admittingly cursory search for "First Nations Wars" on Google books, ngrams, scholars, and web search).
I mean, disregard this entire post if they do include exclusively Canadian-First Nations conflicts in that categorization... But if they don't, aren't we sorta erroneously applying terminology used exclusively for the United States to the larger continent (considering that Wikipedia is a reflection of what is written in WP:RS). Cause digging through the article history it sorta seems like the article's scope originally centred around the United States (as I assume that's how the periodization is used in scholarly writing), but an addition to the article made on August 2016 seemed to extend the scope of the article by adding Canada into the infobox, which later spawned subsequent edits of bringing sparing mentions of Canada and First Nations into the lead of the article.
I mean, I'm not opposed to adding a section at the end of the article to discuss similar events that occurred in Canada and elsewhere on the continent (I mean if I am incorrect, the article in itself could probably be expanded to address the current geographical inbalance in the article body), but if my suspicions are correct and this is the case with what I said above, I would think that the lead would need to be reworked to reflect how historians actually use the term "American Indian Wars. (initially posted here 11 Dec. Readded discussion after archivebot archived this... as the convo was dated as 21 Nov. cause I forgot to change my dated sig from when I copy/pasted this from the American Indian Wars talk page) Leventio ( talk) 23:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Need input at Talk:2020 India–Pakistan border skirmishes#Sourcing.
To make it simple, the dispute is about:
1. One user says that we should not cite casualties, unless they have been confirmed by the military or their official, either on their Twitter or the identity of the official is clearly mentioned.
2. But I say that when WP:RS already cites the casualties to "Army sources" [14] and there is no dispute from any other WP:RS against those figures, then it should be already added with the attribution "According to..."
Thanks Shankargb ( talk) 04:24, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Your feedback would be appreciated at this discussion about three German propaganda organizations during World War II with very similar names, and what to do about it. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 01:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a proposal to change the title (and subsequently the content to reflect the new title) of this article on warrior women in pre-modern Japan. Please see Talk:Onna-bugeisha#Requested move 15 December 2020. This WikiProject's input would be appreciated. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 07:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, there is a discussion at Talk:World War II in Yugoslavia#Infobox list Axis 1941 – September 1943 about the order of entities in a segment of the infobox. Interested editors are encouraged to participate. Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Was Euryale, which was wrecked on Starbuck Island on 4 March 1870, a French Navy vessel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Is [15] a reliable source? I cannot see anything to indicate authorship of the articles hosted. Nigel Ish ( talk) 20:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#Lists claiming to include all ships about the usefulness, content and terminology for these lists, which may be of interest. Davidships ( talk) 14:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Here is a list of some authors / documents that will enter public domain on Jan 1, 2021. I guess we are mostly interested in photographs that will become public domain. Im not sure how / where we can obtain such a list? Farawayman ( talk) 14:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Another Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors search. I can't find the culprit, I wonder if anyone might try their luck? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 08:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
The Edmonds in the Fr is OH 1916 I and the Wyrall is volume I. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 19:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, the list at WP:GAN#WAR is getting long again, with some nominations going back to September. If anyone with some spare time could pitch in, particularly with some of the older ones, that would be great. Thanks in anticipation, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 04:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, starting this thread to draw attention to WP:URFA/2020 where that went through FAC or FAR before 2016 are listed. I have already started advising principal editors of Milhist articles on this list, but there are some where the principal editors are no longer active. I will list these here as I work my way through the list, in case some project members who have knowledge of these subjects can take a look and form a view about the state of the article and whether it still meets the FA criteria, needs a little work, or needs a lot of work. Please note what your assessment is under the article subsections as I list them. It would be good to have multiple eyes on each article to ensure our views on each one are robust. Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The largest active contributor to this article is unable to help here. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 23:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Here is an alphabetical list of all of the "last reviewed in 2006" MILHIST Featured articles (feel free to refactor/reformat this post as needed, I may have missed some). This might help in terms of getting the oldest dealt with first at WP:URFA/2020.
If there are issues that need to be addressed, please do not list them at the URFA/2020 page, rather, list them on article talk and just add the diff to the URFA page. Thanks! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
(In case you all want to prioritize articles that might pop up on WP:TFA, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Is a medal citation, on its own, an RS? Or is it too primary and/or POV? Thanks. Gog the Mild ( talk) 17:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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Greco-Italian War is certainly not start class (it's at least C – I've not properly checked if it's B). In trying to change the rating from "start" to "C" the talk page is still displaying "start" – no idea what I'm doing wrong here... Aza24 ( talk) 09:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project might be interested in this discussion. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 16:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Battle of Tippecanoe for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Kevin1776 ( talk) 17:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I made changes to the 219th Engineer Brigade page and removed references of the 219th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade. I did leave the information concerning the change from 219th BfSB to the Engineer Brigade. The 219th BfSB should have a standalone page concerning the unit's history since it ended in 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugkill ( talk • contribs) 02:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi - I am an editor who focuses mainly on basketball articles. I am looking to complete the 1947 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans article, which has one redlink– Kenneth Shugart, who was an All-American for the US Naval Academy. I am hoping someone here with knowledge of United States military history can help me identify if Shugart is notable from a military perspective and perhaps we can collaborate - I can write his athletic section. Does anyone know much about Shugart? Thanks! Rikster2 ( talk) 23:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Discussion proposing the merge of both General of the Armies and Admiral of the Navy into Six-star ranks in the U.S. armed forces to be found here. Cheers - wolf 16:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi all. I found a memorandum for the composition of the government's forces for Battle of Montgomery's Tavern but I struggle with understanding it and writing a paragraph about it. The document can be found here: [26].
I'm interpreting that the advanced guard is all under the command of MacNab, with three companies led by Nash, Coppinge and Garrett, but why are Draper and Sherwood listed without additional detail? Is this the same reason why Duggan, Gamble, etc. are listed separately under Two Guns? Are "Two Guns" "Artillery" and "Dragoons" referring to different sections of the forces? What is the information under "Dragoons" referring to? Basically, I am really struggling with what this document is supposed to tell me about the composition of the government's forces.
Please ping me in your response so I get the notification. I really appreciate your help. Z1720 ( talk) 20:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Ethnic cleansing#RfC. ( t · c) buidhe 02:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project might be interested in expanding this article. LearnIndology ( talk) 18:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Following Headbomb's now archived post, I figured I'd repost the remaining GAs that still have broken harv refs. We're actually rather close to getting through these so if some folks could each do one or two more we should be good: Aza24 ( talk) 05:50, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Aza24, you can use Petscan to run a query to list articles with template:good article and the MILHIST banner on the talk page that are also in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. It throws up 103 articles. Some may be false positives that have already been discounted but some will be from the bottom end of the alphabet that User:Headbomb didn't get to before. If you remove the good article requirement you can get a list of 3,800 MILHIST articles in the error category - Dumelow ( talk) 18:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
HI all. In working on
Mercy dog, I came across
a blog post by the British Red Cross (not the most RS) that says the following: Not many people will have come across Oliver Hyde’s book, The Work of the Red Cross Dog on the Battlefield, written in 1915. But in this long-forgotten book, a paean to the bravery of the daring canines, the author captures perfectly the value of the First World War’s most unlikely group of heroes. “To the forlorn and despairing wounded soldier, the coming of the Red Cross dog is that of a messenger of hope. Here at last is help, here is first aid. [The soldier] knows that medical assistance cannot be far away, and will be summoned by every means in the dog’s power. “As part of the great Red Cross army of mercy, he is beyond price.”
Well not only have I not come across it, I've found no sign it ever existed-- Google, Worldcat, archive.org, and Amazon all draw blanks-- and all results for the quote seem to be drawn from the blog, or the blog is drawing it from one of the other sources. Could anyone help me track down this book?
Eddie891
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Any help would be appreciated with a query concerning the naming of the Ottoman frigate Ertuğrul over at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Ertuğrul_the_boat. Alansplodge ( talk) 16:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Alexandre Fourchault has recently been created-- I'm struggling to see how he meets NSOLDIER or GNG, isn't even mentioned at the Mokrani Revolt article (which he was supposedly a main figure in). Those with more knowledge of french-related things may be able to weigh in. Thoughts? Eddie891 Talk Work 13:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know his rank in December 1917? Thanks Keith-264 ( talk) 00:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I welcome your input at this location: Talk:Russia–Turkey proxy conflict#Move portions to other articles, or what else? -- George Ho ( talk) 17:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Ruwiki: w:ru:Травин, Николай Васильевич. Plwiki: w:pl:Nikołaj Trawin.
An article was written about him: User:Leaftree1. Cleaning up tags, references and fixing the image license (which is how I found this) etc is no problem for me, but if he's not considered notable (and I don't know much about this subject) I'd be wasting my time. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 17:35, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, I am currently GAN reviewing at Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army/GA2#Sectarianism, which is, to put it mildly, fairly sensitive. Whilst I am happy with the nominator's responses to almost all of my comments, and the article is tracking well towards promotion, I have a niggling concern that the relevant reliable sources regarding whether the IRA was sectarian may not be fully reflected in the article, and whether examples of sectarian attacks should be added by way of illustration. In particular, whether the specific observations and examples of Timothy Shanahan (philosopher) regarding the IRA's sectarianism should be included. You will see an extensive section on the review page about this, along with a Google Books link to Shanahan's book. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 01:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I recently fixed a rotten link to MilitaryArchitecture.com. Links seem to be taken over by domain squatters and to redirect to some advertising or similar and I was thinking of fixing them site-wide. The arx journal doesn't seem to be used as a reference so often to require a bot, but enough times to make seeking other opinions before acting a good idea and because of the subject this seemed to be the best place for it. Much of this material, if not all, can be found at [27], this seems a legit publication, but I am not 100% sure and contains a rotten link itself. Other doubts are about leaving or deleting the old url and if it would better to use an archived link of the same site or some orher sources or simply giving the title/number/year of the journal. Personuser ( talk) 02:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
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Issue: Before the Military History Project loses another article with a “provincially titled war” to the “global American Revolution” (Global-ARW), perhaps this Notice Board can arrive at a Project-wide standard for ARTICLE SCOPE in American Revolution sister articles.
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@ TheVirginiaHistorian: - may I direct your attention to Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Layout, especially the part about "Avoid excessive use of color and other font gimmicks". Frankly, I find your posts almost unreadable at times with all the underlining/colors/bolding/etc that you employ. You might get more responses if they were less marked up and less lengthy. Just some advice. -- Ealdgyth ( talk) 13:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
My copy of the Oxford Companion to Military History has an entry titled "American independence war" which covers the period 1775–1783 and encompasses the loss of the British colonies. However, it includes the expansion of the war into a global one including France and its Spanish ally, and the Dutch, as well as the League of Armed Neutrality. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 05:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
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These authors, both American historians and 'international perspective' Euros, distinguish between two (2) wars against Britain 1778-1783. One (1) is an insurrection by British subjects in North America, one (1) is imperial rivalry by nation-states globally. There is no Congressional revolt made into an ethereal "war spread worldwide" without evidence of human agency. That would "connect dots where there are no connections" as a willful act of ungrounded historiography. - TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 20:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Was the ship Chanticleer reported wrecked on Pemba Island, Zanzibar on 8 December 1868 a merchant vessel or HMS Chanticleer (1861)? Two sources just state she was a barque, [1] [2] whilst a third says it was HMS Chanticleer, [3] which is known to have been barque-rigged. The only Chanticleer in Lloyd's Register for 1868 was a steamship. [4] Mjroots ( talk) 10:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
THE REPORTED LOSS OF H.M.S. CHANTICLEER, THERE can be now no doubt that the rumoured loss of this vessel originated through a mistake. A " Friend of the Commander of H.M.S. Chanticleer," dating from Ryde, writes as follows to a London contemporary :—" In your issue of yesterday the following appeared in your ' Summary' column : A telegram from Bombay announces the wreck of her Majesty's ship Chanticleer off the coast of Zanzibar,' &c. Now, the last news we have of this ship is that she left Panama on the 23rd of November for Vancouver's Island, where she was expected to arrive on the Bth or loth of January. She is on the North American and Pacific station, and it is, therefore, very unlikely she could have reached Zanzibar, on the east coast of Africa, a distance, I think, of about 13,000 miles. Nov please look to your issue of the 18th inst. Under shipping news you will find : ' Mahe (Seychelles), Jan. 23. The Chanticleer, barque, of Shields, from Bombay to Zanzibar, struck on a reef off the north-east end of Pemba Island, December 8, and became a total wreck,' &c. To those who have friends on board her Majesty's ship Chanticleer, and who have not remarked the last paragraph, what suspense and misery this telegram must have caused, especially to those who are at a distance from any nautical friend who might be able to reassure them."—Hampshire Telegraph.
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A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Battle of Westerplatte; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks!. An interesting article about one of the very first battles of WWII. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Strategic Air Command in the United Kingdom; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! An article about the USAF bomber force in the UK between 1949 and 1992. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
It is strange that both WikiProject and task force with similar scope exists. They are WikiProject Cold War and Cold War task force (MILHIST). Members of MILHIST must look into this problem. -- Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 10:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a merge discussion at Talk:Song-Xia War (1040–1044) that would benefit from input from the Wikiproject. Thank you for your input. // Timothy :: talk 16:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated British Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Quality posts here ( talk) 19:21, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@ A D Monroe III: An interesting question of minutiae has arisen. It occurred to me that since numbers are not connected to languages, it is a mistake to hyphenate them when attached to non-English terms. An example is Fliegerkorps VIII and Fliegerkorps VIII; A. D. Monroe demurs and I wonder if there is any WP on such a matter? Keith-264 ( talk) 07:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Individual preference then, apart from ADMs insistence on knowing the minds of hypothetical readers. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 01:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The A-Class review of the 8th Missouri Infantry Regiment (Confederate) needs the attention of a few more editors; any input there would be much appreciated. Hog Farm Bacon 03:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Last month User:Fram nominated a series of articles for mass deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1989 Portuguese Armed Forces order of battle. Now he has started to nominate the articles of his earlier mass deletion request for deletion again; starting with: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Structure of the Austrian Armed Forces in 1989. noclador ( talk) 15:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
It was listed in the article alerts for this project, here and here. And here as well. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Article alerts lists 9 current AfDs, are you going to post them all here and berate the nominators for not having it posted here? Fram ( talk) 09:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Does this nihilism include champions of pensions for ex-service personnel? Nerrida5 ( talk) 10:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I Nerrida5 ( talk) 10:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone like to improve Battle of Ypres, a WP:SIA which looks as if it was once a WP:DAB page, into an article?
One of a colleague's interests is fixing bad or ambiguous links to WP:PTOPICs and SIAs. He recently remarked to me, "A few [pages] such as Battle of Ypres are old sparring partners and I've already done what I can; the remainder refer to the battles as a group or need an expert".
The SIA gives no background or context as to why two armies spent four years fighting over that particular piece of mud. An overview of that battlefield and its timeline could be a useful addition.
Battles of the Isonzo does a respectable job on Italy's WWI placename of horror. Narky Blert ( talk) 18:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Neutral powers during World War I
If anyone has time, please contribute to this draft article. 2601:85:C101:BA30:FDBB:852E:A1F:5DB3 ( talk) 22:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I overhauled this guy's article, it was a months-long project as I had to create the articles for the battles he fought in. I think his article can still be polished to be a bit better, as in general stuff, i.e. spell checks and the like. Thing is, I'm really tired, I think I'll largely put off Wiki work for the remainder of the year. If anyone is interested to take a look and maybe do some polishing, that would be greatly appreciated. Also needs a new rating, it certainly isn't a Start-class anymore. Transylvania1916 ( talk) 15:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Battle of Glasgow, Missouri, at least to me, looks a little nonstandard in disambiguation. I'm wondering if Battle of Glasgow (1864) would be better; but I'm just not sure. The other two entries at Battle of Glasgow are disambiguated with the year, although they were in similar places. Are battles generally disambiguated by date or location, and if by location, should it be the current title or Battle of Glasgow (Missouri)? Hog Farm Bacon 15:45, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project may not be aware, but the mine countermeasures vessel HS Kallisto was cut in two in a collision with a container ship this morning. The article is not in good shape, being just above stub class. Can we do better? Mjroots ( talk) 18:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
An Rfc concerning the lede of French Revolution is under discussion at Talk:French Revolution#rfc_CF45697. Your feedback would be appreciated. Mathglot ( talk) 18:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Red Tail Squadron, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Bacon 19:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Just created the page Structure of the Royal Air Force, please feel free to add/remove/change any information you think is necessary. SmartyPants22 ( talk) 22:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a move discussion at Talk:French Air Force#Requested move 25 October 2020 that could use more participants. Garuda28 ( talk) 13:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Webley Revolver for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 16:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't suppose anyone has a copy of The Official Names of the Battles and other Engagements fought by the Military Forces of the British Empire during the Great War, 1914–1919, and the Third Afghan War 1919, which was a report by the British "Battles Nomenclature Committee"? I'm looking for the official name of the campaign against the Marri and Khetran tribes on the North-West Frontier in 1918. I think it was the "Operations against the Marri and Khetran tribes". The battle honour awarded was "Baluchistan 1918", the operations are also known by "Marri Field Force", "Marri Punitive Expedition" etc. I'm drafting an article at User:Dumelow/Operations against the Marri and Khetran tribes - Dumelow ( talk) 17:45, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
According to the jacket of a book he published in 1956, Colin Campbell Garbett was "twice mentioned in dispatches". I can find no other source for this, nor any record of his military service; likely in the Indian Army in WWI. (I have found a WWI medical card for someone of that name, but nothing to tie him to my subject.) Can anyone assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Template:Infobox military conflict specifically says not to do this for the "result" field, stating this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive" . . . Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical", or contradictory statements like "decisive tactical victory but strategic defeat"
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I've been busy cleaning up lots of Turkish/Ottoman articles that used decisive much to the ire of a Turkish IP editor). Anyone that wants to help out with other countries it's quite simple to search for "result [insert country name] decisive victory" (such as the British ones for example). Thank you. FDW777 ( talk) 13:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, if someone has a few minutes, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yugoslav destroyer Zagreb/archive1 needs a source review, and is otherwise good to go. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 02:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Project members may be interested to hear that the Project coordinators have awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves to Buidhe. This is the first time they have been awarded in over four years. The citation reads
It is with genuine pleasure that I award you the Military History Project's WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves for having met the requirement to have "made contributions of truly incredible quality or importance in the area of military history." The Project, corporately, notes that you have produced four FAs and an FL of impeccable quality, focusing on the difficult topic of the Holocaust and the persecution of Jews. And 42 GAs with a broader range but the same central theme. In addition you have somehow found time to be the Project's premier source and image reviewer. The Project members' throughput of A class and Featured articles would be much the worse without your work. We salute you.
Gog the Mild ( talk) 15:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
its a common addition to some decorations to create a higher rank or award.Yes, I know that. But, the citation above proclaims
WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves. If you look at the image at
Hello. I know I'm not a member here. However, would anyone else like to discuss my merger proposal from British Army Structure In 2010 into Army 2020 as discussed in Talk:Army_2020#Merger_proposal ? At best into Army_2020#Background . Thank you all. BlueD954 ( talk) 07:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello again. There is currently a move discussion at Talk:Future_of_the_British_Army#Requested_move_31_October_2020 that I started and could use more participants. BlueD954 ( talk) 13:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Happy Sunday. I made a WP:PROD for List of British Army Regiments (2008). Please see the rationale for the PROD in the article. I feel other corresponding articles like List of British Regular Army regiments (1962) and List of British Regular Army regiments (1994) need to be either 1) Improved with sources or references added 2) Merged into Units of the British Army or face 3) PROD or face WP:AFD. Thanks. BlueD954 ( talk) 03:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
So is he dead or not? His article says that he is but I can't find any reliable confirmation that he was killed. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 12:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Found a book called Sabotage in Greece, its on sale at Amazon, Barnes and Noble as well as being available at Google Books. However the publisher is Lulu.com, so it seems to be self published. Is it considered RS or not?-- Catlemur ( talk) 17:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Could I please get some opinions on this draft? It doesn't quite seem like he meets WP:SOLDIER, and the references are almost entirely lists, but as a non-Indian I have no idea how "significant" these awards are supposed to be. Thanks! Primefac ( talk) 23:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
An editor is repeatedly adding the terms "Slightly light" and "heavy" as casualties in the infobox at Mongol invasions of Vietnam which are not only unreferenced, but also relative terms that are meaningless without context. Other editors' attention would be appreciated.
See the talk page section for more details. — MarkH21 talk 03:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Note there is a conversation ongoing regarding the use of navboxes in the lead of article which could have a knock on effect for campaign boxes: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Sidebars (navboxes) should NOT be used in the lead. I have not had the time to read it fully, and I note a couple of familiar names from this project, but given the significance, I thought I would flag it up here without prejudice. Harrias (he/him) • talk 20:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I would like to alert members to this merger discussion Talk:Army_2020#Merger_proposal and this proposed move Talk:Future_of_the_British_Army#Requested_move_31_October_2020. Thanks. BlueD954 ( talk) 15:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
We have the HMS Surly article. Weren't there at least two vessels of that name. The Standard, 22 October 1869 reports on the sale of four RN vessels, amongst them Surly, a gunvessel built in 1856 at Newcastle. Should the HMS Surly article be moved and the title converted to a shipindex page? Mjroots ( talk) 08:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I've moved the ship article to HMS Surly (1894) and converted HMS Surly to a shipindex page and linked it with the fi-Wiki page. Mjroots ( talk) 18:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone see why I'm getting the Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors message? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 11:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello there! In Piccadilly line, I am mentioning about the manufacturing of torpedo sights during World War II at one of the stations. However, I heard that sights is a rather vague or incorrect term. Can someone suggest a better term? I heard that periscopes are incorrect too. Thank you so much (the current version of the article states torpedo periscopes for easier searching via CTRL+F) Vincent LUFan ( talk) ( Kenton!) 04:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I have mentioned some problems with the rules for military conflict infoboxes at
Template talk:Infobox military conflict#rules for Result parameter.
ThoughtIdRetired (
talk) 21:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Ran across what looked like some blatant COI editing on an article, relating to a one-man publishing operation. Nuked it.
On the other hand, I looked at some other pages that cite this author/publisher, and read a couple works, and some of it was not at all bad, although a couple bits reminded me a little too much of Toy.
Any insight on it? Qwirkle ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
This gives an accessible example; here is the fellow’s website. (The blogacious aspects of it I pass over as a given.) Qwirkle ( talk) 02:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
May be well meaning; definitely not helpful. Qwirkle ( talk) 21:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Could one of you folks well-versed in WWII take a look at this? Thanks. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 07:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. Can I add Norways Chief of Defence, Eirik Kristoffersen to this project? I recently created the page, and are open for improvements and input. The main issue is the ribbon section not looking good, as I tried to copy the template in the Norwegian version. I will probably try to fix this tomorrow.-- Znuddel ( talk) 21:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
FYI; there is an RM at Talk:Naval Facilities Engineering Command that could use a few extra sets of eyes. Cheers - wolf 12:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Paul Kagame for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. ( t · c) buidhe 04:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey everyone, an IP user on the Talk:List of revolutions and rebellions page thinks it's better to separete both revolutions and rebellions which are (let's say) both significant different from each other. It also has 193,641 bytes which is a lot but since this is an important list it's better to ask futher comments here before spliting it. You're all invited into the chat. Cheers. CPA-5 ( talk) 16:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I think the new auto-rating function is a great labor saving device but I can't figure out why MilHistBot rated my article ( old version) as C-class due to insufficient referencing and citations? (All info is cited inline, except the lead.) ( t · c) buidhe 17:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
May I ask interested editors to join the discussion at
Talk:Channel Dash#Retrograde edit? This originated as a subsidiary point under
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Can anyone assist with the sourcing issue noted at Talk:No. 238 Squadron RAF#Missing sources, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, there is an orphaned project Category:Military science articles by quality which contains 1 log page, that is probably left over from a renaming of a task force. Just wanted to bring it to your attention, thanks! Funandtrvl ( talk) 03:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
G'day everyone, Hawkeye7's Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Manned Orbiting Laboratory/archive1 needs some additional reviewers. I acknowledge that astronautical articles aren't always considered mainstream Milhist fodder, but reviewing it is no different from reviewing an article in an area you aren't familiar with. If you can spare some time, I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 22:00, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Can a kind soul sort out the Commons category template as I can't work out how to make it work. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 16:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, a couple more reviewers are needed for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/55th (West Lancashire) Infantry Division/archive2, which covers the interwar and WWII version of this formation. It also needs a source review. If you can spare a bit of time to take a look, it would be greatly appreciated, I'm sure. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 22:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Long, long ago - there was a forum or a portal where one could request assistance in creating maps, diagrams etc. Does that still exist? If yes - how do I reach those guys (I need a military map created for an article)? Any advice would be appreciated. Farawayman ( talk) 23:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Ref. Eirik Kristoffersen#Awards and decorations: Can somebody try to fix the Brigadeveteranforbundet Badge of Honour ribbon?
It works fine in the Norwegian article, and was showing on the English article before I tried to edit the code. -- Znuddel ( talk) 07:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Notable or not? Ping me. Bearian ( talk) 02:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
While reviewing and editing our article about LTC Daniel Gade (USA Ret.), I have wanted to confirm my working assumption that the Bronze Star Medal Gade received was for reasons other than valor or heroism in combat. But I cannot ascertain a reliable method to determine if a Bronze Star was awarded for valor in combat or not. What method(s) do you all recommend? Many thanks - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 02:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow MilHist Wikipedians. I notice that there is an omission of a 'Task forces (periods and conflicts)' what must be a critical period of time, namely between World War I and World War II. Is there any reason for this omission? Bearing in mind that significant development of many critical technologies took place between the two world wars (from 1918 to 1939), I humbly suggest that a new task force be created. (Ironically, as I type this, the Interwar period article has no task forces!). May I suggest a name for this new task force? Namely: Inter-war. Apologies if this has been discussed before, I was not able to easily find any archived discussion. Best regards. -- 78.32.143.113 ( talk) 09:56, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Once you have settled on a name, this will need to go through the task force incubator process at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Incubator; the instructions are detailed on that page, but it is essentially designed to make sure there is enough interest and scope for a group or task force before its creation. Harrias (he/him) • talk 16:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Interbellum, one word, one meaning, no hyphens, no nonsense; synonyms allowed. Keith-264 ( talk) 21:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I recently came across a bad link to sentries in Ivory Coast expedition. The DAB page didn't help a lot, but after some digging around I settled on picket (military) as the next best thing. During my travels, I came across sentry box; which linked uselessly to sentry (disambiguation).
We have an article on vedette (sentry), which in the sense I'm thinking of is a sentry with a horse. We do not seem to have an article on the PBI meaning; which ranges from the ceremonial (" They're changing guard at Buckingham Palace") through the routinely practical (guards at gatehouses, or over gunpowder, the rum store, or a gibbet ( The Widow of Ephesus)) to the short-straw job from Antiquity onward ("You stay awake while the rest of us sleep, and raise the alarm if we're attacked - and do try not to get killed").
An anthem song in English, and another in German ( parallel text) (The German Lied feels accurate - my father once told me that two of his sentries were knifed in Normandy in 1944.)
As it's this time of year, Santa Clausewitz. Narky Blert ( talk) 05:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Iran has designated the US Armed forces as a "Terrorist Organization". A pair of users added this item, with refs, to the lead of the US Armed Forces page, as well as the leads of all the branch articles. The additions have been removed by multiple editors. A discussion on the issue has been started on the US Armed Forces talk page. I'm posting this here in case anyone would like to contribute. Cheers - wolf 15:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Talk:List_of_tanks_of_the_Soviet_Union#Requested_move_5_November_2020 thanks! ( t · c) buidhe 05:42, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, if you have a few spare minutes, given it is mid-month it would be good to knock over the human checks of Milhistbot's October assessment work here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#AutoCheck report for October. Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 22:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Can someone write a bot that will tag the talkpages of all the articles that have already been tagged as belonging to WP Espionage, WP Blades and WP Firearms with the WP MILHIST tag and vice versa?-- Catlemur ( talk) 15:36, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I've changed the box to Template:Infobox military installation but can't find a way to get a map in. Can anyone offer advice on how to do it? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 14:13, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
See Talk:Battle_of_Tippecanoe#WP:URFA/2020. I conducted checks of one of the sources, and found serious issues with information not supported to the citations. If anyone happens to have access to Funk, Cave, or Owens, could you do some spot checks? I have serious concerns about the text-source integrity of this article. Hog Farm Bacon 06:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
The {{ Dreadnought class battleship}} template has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 06:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all! I’m new to the MilHist project and looking to offer help, be it research, photos or finding sources on any articles particularly (NON-BALKAN) and perhaps focused on military hardware and tech by Americans, Canadians British, Australians or general Western European. Please let me know of any articles I can help out as all these lists are a bit overwhelming and have now idea where start. OyMosby ( talk) 00:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Our article on RAF Castle Archdale has a 1945 date of closure; it was in use into the 1950s. Does anyone have the correct date please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I've updated the article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for French battleship Charles Martel; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 04:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Battle of Blenheim for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. ( t · c) buidhe 02:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
He is described as a wrestler (he studied in Navy Academy), later Read Admiral. Needed biography. Xx236 ( talk) 11:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
And also Lt. Swigart, USN on the Olympic roster from that year. Given his wrestling appearance is not even in his obituary, this illustrates the ridiculousness of compiling stubs out of Olympic databases. How many other stubs are about people not primarily notable for their Olympic achievements and fail to adequately describe the subject's life? Kges1901 ( talk) 13:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
So I came across these two:
I'd like to know which is more correct or preferred. Dawnseeker2000 21:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
It looks like the move will go thru (though there appears to be more disdain for milhist and the editors here than there was consensus for support). - wolf 18:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps an RfC is needed. I would suggest here, but apparently subject-specific WikiProjects are irrelevant, so perhaps at MOS:CAPS to address the whole milterm guideline. (jmho) - wolf 13:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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WT:MOSCAPS). And, no, MoS and other site-wide guidelines are not "local", but exactly the opposite. The very reason we have
WP:CONLEVEL policy is because ArbCom got tired of again and again telling wikiprojects that they could not make up their own "rules" in defiance of site-wide guidelines and policies. I'm going to assume this is just one random editor who has policy completely backwards, but if anything like this confusion is rampant in this project, that's ... kind of a problem. —
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Battle of Svolder is a 2007 FA promotion in need of significant work. I've given it a notice for possible future FAR as part of WP:URFA/2020. My concerns are at Talk:Battle of Svolder#FA concerns. This is not an area of military history I know basically anything about, but it would be nice if some project members could get this up to par, so a FAR can be avoided. Hog Farm Bacon 06:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask for some opinions on Richard Smith (soldier), which I have just come across? On the face of it a colour sergeant who was recommended for (but did not receive) a commission doesn't meet the notability requirement - Dumelow ( talk) 09:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Some of you may be interested in a set of six drawings I have just uploaded, into c:Category:Sacre Bleu! (British Army officer).
The unnamed artist is described as:
An Officer (aka ‘Sacre Bleu’) in A Company, 2nd Essex Regiment on the Somme, 1916.
Three of the images are of buildings; the other three of named army officers: Scout Officer A G Allen, Captain F.W. Stevens, and "General Sir E Allenby K.C.B / 3rd Army", aka Edmund Allenby, 1st Viscount Allenby.
Any additional info on artist or subjects will of course be welcome. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
As some of you know, there have been some rather heated AfDs lately that lay out the orders of battle of a national army in a particular year, usually a year thought to capture some significant stage of that army's organization. One of the sticking points seems to be that the choice of a particular year is usually somewhat arbitrary. During a discussion at AN/I, I suggested that a more durable way to structure this information might be to relate it to watershed events that brought about major changes in the structure. E.g., for the British Army, one might have articles on the regimental structure during the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars, after the Childers reforms, the Haldane reforms, etc., with each article detailing the minor changes that took place up until the next major article. Obviously, this would result in a different set of articles for each national army.
I don't have the sources or knowledge to do this very effectively myself, but I hope there are some project members who would be interested in this. Would it be possible to spin up a project page somewhere to try to outline what series of articles would work for each country? I'd be happy to WP:REFUND sourced material from the deleted articles if others can figure out a structure that is likely to survive AfD. Choess ( talk) 20:35, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I reject the idea that a detailed listing of the Russian Air Force's central units; or the Turkish Army, could be considered "wargamer cruft." The only reason why the central formations of the RuAF have not been updated into "Structure of the Russian Air Force" or similar for recent years is that I was very careful to reflect the original source, Kommersant-Vlast, which was not updated since 2008; and no reliable listing for the Turkish Army has appeared since 2008 (or, arguably, since 2004's study by DCAF). Both represented the best picture available for their subject at the time, and have not substantively been updated in any reliable source to be able to present a current listing. As defined by "multiple, independent and reliable" in terms of notability, the general structure of the Russian air force, for example, has been repeatedly covered by Western aviation magazines, as well as Yefim Gordon's voluminous series of books over and over again, so according to our definitions, saying they have "no notability" is simply incorrect, proved so by repeated coverage.
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help); Aleksandr Stukalin, Mikail Lukin, ‘Vys Rossiyskaya Armiya’, Kommersant-Vlast, Moscow, Russia, (14 May 2002);
Андрей Демин, генерал-майор, командующий войсками Командования ПВО-ПРО Войск ВКО. «Небесный щит Центральной России. К 60-летию ордена Ленина Московского округа противовоздушной обороны» Газета «Военно-промышленный курьер» № 30 (548) за 20 августа 2014 года.Could some more knowledgeable editors look at this article? I can't easily find anything to substantiate it, the article on Osman I makes me suspicious that records this specific could exist, and the event doesn't seem to be mentioned in the book Byzantium and the Turks in the Thirteenth Century. It's translated from tr.wiki, and just hesitant about potentially being involved in a hoax... Thanks! Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for your attention. I actually wrote in the article's discussion page (but now, it seems like the article is deleted) and REFUND page. I am writing here as well because I wanted to directly let you know that this conquest was a legitimate one - Osman was in charge during this conquest with the help of Kayi people (in fact, he was the leader of Kayi people). Reputable historians, such as Danismend and Inalcik, mention about this conquest in their writings. I, or anyone who can read in Turkish, can also verify that. Though, we need to change the name of the article to Kayı conquest of Kulaca Hisar Kalesi. Regards.-- Dakmor Tojira ( talk) 19:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I have some 7 images of a naval action (battle) during the Greek War of Independence at the Entrance of the Bay of Patras, where an English Squadron ( Admiral Codrington) and Egyptian & Turkish (Ottoman) Fleets fought it out from 1-6 Oct 1827. Does this engagement have a name, and if not, what should it be named? Further to that a number of major naval battles took place in the Gulf of Patras: the Battle of Patras in 1772, and the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, one of the largest naval battles ever fought. Lepanto itself lies further east, in the Gulf of Corinth. Should this engagement be mentioned under Gulf of Corinth or Gulf of Patras or Bay of Patras? -- Broichmore ( talk) 13:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
American Revolutionary War, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for value. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 23:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
A. "American Revolutionary War” | B. "War of the American Revolution" |
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continuity - used at this WP article and sister articles for 19 years - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America - participants British & US Congress with respective allies, auxiliaries & combatants - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US: independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland-fish & cure - results - US independence & republic; Britain the biggest US trade partner & finances US expanding business & Treasury - reliable scholarly reference Britannica for the general reader - prominent adherents - all 15 history Pulitzer winner scholars on the topic |
modern update - uses 'vast majority of sources' found in a browser search - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America, spread to Anglo-Bourbon (Fr.&Sp.) War-across worldwide empires, Fourth Anglo-Dutch War-North Atlantic, Second Mysore War-Indian subcontinent & Ocean - participants British & US Congress, France, Spain, Dutch Republic, Kingdom of Mysore - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland-fish & cure -- Bourbons: Gibraltar, Jamaica, Majorca, expand Gambia trade, expand India trade -- Dutch - free trade with North America & Caribbean -- Mysore wider east-Indian sub-continent sphere of influenced results - Second British Empire, Spanish Majorca, French Gambia, further decline of Dutch Republic - reliable scholarly reference [world military dictionary] for the military specialist - prominent adherents - Michael Clodfelter, more to follow |
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I've done a clean up but left a Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors mistake behind. Can anyone see what it is? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 12:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been looking at the articles for D-Day and after-D-Day articles. The first one is Invasion of Normandy which is assessed as Start. This article redirects to the second-listed article Operation Overlord which is assessed as GA. Should there be two articles with different assessments in the table? How about just having Operation Overlord, the one article? Adamdaley ( talk) 08:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Some of you may be interested in the 212 images I have just categorised as c:Category:Medals in the Portable Antiquities Scheme (the Portable Antiquities Scheme records architectural finds in England and Wales).
Some of these are military, and some of them are associated with named awardees.
Most of them need additional categorisation! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello! New choom here. Well, not so new. I've actually been writing MilHist articles since 2004 (French Air Force in WW2) and regularly doing spaceflight articles since the end of 2018, most of which have some sort of military character (e.g. SOLRAD 1 and SOLRAD 2).
WP editing can be lonely, unsung work. Is there a place in the MilHist project where folks discuss what they've been working on, what they've completed, and what they plan to do?
Pleasure to be formally on the team (added myself to members).
(P.S. If you've got a review stalled at G.A. or F.A., feel free to ping me. Always happy to lend a hand.)
-- Neopeius ( talk) 18:13, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
AyodeleA2 is doing a great deal of excellent translation work, but my G-Translate of this article's Ru-equivalent comes out as "Cadet school for state pupils of the First Moscow Cadet Corps" - that is, "Pensions" may actually be "Pupils." Can someone with better Russian skills than mine check the translation? AyodeleA2, this is no black mark against you, but we all can make mistakes from time to time.. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I gave a notice in the talk page of the article Hispanic Americans in World War II as part of WP:URFA/2020. The article is in need of significant work, as detailed in that notice. Since WP:MILHIST is a very active project, I'm posting this note here to alert editors that might potentially be interested in improving the article, in the hopes of avoiding FAR. RetiredDuke ( talk) 23:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, Harry Mitchell's Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Portsmouth War Memorial/archive1 has two supports, source and image reviews, and just needs another review to get over the line. If you have a bit of spare time, I'm sure Harry would appreciate it. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 00:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know of any sources that could be used to ref up or expand this article (Biden's DoD secretary nominee)? I'm relying pretty heavily on an archived official biography at the moment ( [12]) and I would like something better. Anything that would add some extra detail or context would be appreciated. Thanks! AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 18:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, hope you are all well. I have been drafting a new article and have spent a good amount of time on it - Draft:RAF Lakenheath near nuclear disasters. I was hoping to be able to get someone to review it for me. I thought the topic area of my article (two Broken Arrow nuclear incidents) might be of interest to people on this page. If anyone could review it for me would be immensely grateful. Snugglewasp ( talk) 17:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Are we missing a HMS Marlborough, or was this ship a rebuild? Mjroots ( talk) 12:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone who maintains or knows how to maintain the Knights Cross awards list / banner please take a look at Talk:90th Light Infantry Division (Wehrmacht). Your assistance would be appreciated. Farawayman ( talk) 18:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Humphrey Atherton ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I decided to have a quick look at one of the articles listed above at #Missing/broken ref final sweep and what I found was a bit of a disaster and not worthy of GA status. Both the original GA nominator and reviewer are inactive, and I have made a drastic suggestion at Talk:Humphrey Atherton#Article problems - good article review, wholesale reversion, or capable of being salvaged? which would benefit from more input, as I am hesitant to take the drastic action without a clear consensus. Thank you. FDW777 ( talk) 09:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I’ve left a comment on the talk page here regarding a name change, but it could affect other, similar pages, so I’m looking for other opinions. Any thoughts? Xyl 54 ( talk) 01:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Technology during World War II is one of the worst Wikipedia articles I have ever come across. Hopefully some editors on this project might want to have a go at it - it seems to be a monumental challenge. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 19:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
After those years I came back in this topic and I've searched whether or not they indeed were "insurgents". After a while I found this by:
I found these:
These are all the sources who call those groups "guerrilla groups". Reuters and the Guardian are one of the biggest and trustfully sources; thus, this is kind of a big deal. If it's true that "guerrillas" the same are then "insurgents" is it possible to get the article back? If there's a different, but they still are rebels then I'm curious what name the conflict could gain. I'd love to hear your answer(s). Cheers. CPA-5 ( talk) 17:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, given we are nearly at the half-way mark of the month, it would be good to knock over the human checks of Milhistbot's work at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#AutoCheck report for November soonish. many hands make light work. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 02:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
This three articles should be checked, I think.
I am not here to blame the editor, but I think there are multiple problems in these articles. First, it is based on only one or certain resource, which was written by appleman (1961). Second, if you see the paragraphs, it seems that they just might copy the references. Third, because it doesn't have any other references, we are not sure about whether titles of these articles fit with policies of Wikipedia. Maybe, we might have to delete this section, so I want some opinion about these articles. Thank you! -- Wendylove ( talk) 05:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
I started a move request discussion a week ago ( Talk:Bougainville Civil War#Requested move 4 December 2020), debating whether it is either Bougainville Civil War or conflict. I welcome your input there. -- George Ho ( talk) 11:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
my article on American logistics in the Northern France campaign is languishing at FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/American logistics in the Northern France campaign/archive1 for want of reviewers. The article is technical and complicated like World War II in general, so the subject isn't too popular, but it is important. If anyone could pitch in with a review, it would be greatly appreciated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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So I posted this in the talk page for that article a few weeks ago, but didn't really get a response so I figured I'd actually try the WP but... Is this is a periodization of Native American conflicts (similar in the sense to the Second Hundred Years' War or Mexican Indian Wars) used in American historiography? Assuming that it is, my question would be, do historical academics in the United States include First Nations conflicts that occurred (exclusively) in Canada in this periodization? Cause as far as I'm aware, Canadian historical academics do not use a term like First Nations Wars in a manner that this article claims and seems to be using it in (and this seems to be reflected through an admittingly cursory search for "First Nations Wars" on Google books, ngrams, scholars, and web search).
I mean, disregard this entire post if they do include exclusively Canadian-First Nations conflicts in that categorization... But if they don't, aren't we sorta erroneously applying terminology used exclusively for the United States to the larger continent (considering that Wikipedia is a reflection of what is written in WP:RS). Cause digging through the article history it sorta seems like the article's scope originally centred around the United States (as I assume that's how the periodization is used in scholarly writing), but an addition to the article made on August 2016 seemed to extend the scope of the article by adding Canada into the infobox, which later spawned subsequent edits of bringing sparing mentions of Canada and First Nations into the lead of the article.
I mean, I'm not opposed to adding a section at the end of the article to discuss similar events that occurred in Canada and elsewhere on the continent (I mean if I am incorrect, the article in itself could probably be expanded to address the current geographical inbalance in the article body), but if my suspicions are correct and this is the case with what I said above, I would think that the lead would need to be reworked to reflect how historians actually use the term "American Indian Wars. (initially posted here 11 Dec. Readded discussion after archivebot archived this... as the convo was dated as 21 Nov. cause I forgot to change my dated sig from when I copy/pasted this from the American Indian Wars talk page) Leventio ( talk) 23:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Need input at Talk:2020 India–Pakistan border skirmishes#Sourcing.
To make it simple, the dispute is about:
1. One user says that we should not cite casualties, unless they have been confirmed by the military or their official, either on their Twitter or the identity of the official is clearly mentioned.
2. But I say that when WP:RS already cites the casualties to "Army sources" [14] and there is no dispute from any other WP:RS against those figures, then it should be already added with the attribution "According to..."
Thanks Shankargb ( talk) 04:24, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Your feedback would be appreciated at this discussion about three German propaganda organizations during World War II with very similar names, and what to do about it. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 01:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a proposal to change the title (and subsequently the content to reflect the new title) of this article on warrior women in pre-modern Japan. Please see Talk:Onna-bugeisha#Requested move 15 December 2020. This WikiProject's input would be appreciated. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 07:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, there is a discussion at Talk:World War II in Yugoslavia#Infobox list Axis 1941 – September 1943 about the order of entities in a segment of the infobox. Interested editors are encouraged to participate. Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Was Euryale, which was wrecked on Starbuck Island on 4 March 1870, a French Navy vessel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Is [15] a reliable source? I cannot see anything to indicate authorship of the articles hosted. Nigel Ish ( talk) 20:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#Lists claiming to include all ships about the usefulness, content and terminology for these lists, which may be of interest. Davidships ( talk) 14:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Here is a list of some authors / documents that will enter public domain on Jan 1, 2021. I guess we are mostly interested in photographs that will become public domain. Im not sure how / where we can obtain such a list? Farawayman ( talk) 14:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Another Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors search. I can't find the culprit, I wonder if anyone might try their luck? Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 08:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
The Edmonds in the Fr is OH 1916 I and the Wyrall is volume I. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 19:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, the list at WP:GAN#WAR is getting long again, with some nominations going back to September. If anyone with some spare time could pitch in, particularly with some of the older ones, that would be great. Thanks in anticipation, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 04:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, starting this thread to draw attention to WP:URFA/2020 where that went through FAC or FAR before 2016 are listed. I have already started advising principal editors of Milhist articles on this list, but there are some where the principal editors are no longer active. I will list these here as I work my way through the list, in case some project members who have knowledge of these subjects can take a look and form a view about the state of the article and whether it still meets the FA criteria, needs a little work, or needs a lot of work. Please note what your assessment is under the article subsections as I list them. It would be good to have multiple eyes on each article to ensure our views on each one are robust. Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The largest active contributor to this article is unable to help here. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 23:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Here is an alphabetical list of all of the "last reviewed in 2006" MILHIST Featured articles (feel free to refactor/reformat this post as needed, I may have missed some). This might help in terms of getting the oldest dealt with first at WP:URFA/2020.
If there are issues that need to be addressed, please do not list them at the URFA/2020 page, rather, list them on article talk and just add the diff to the URFA page. Thanks! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
(In case you all want to prioritize articles that might pop up on WP:TFA, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Is a medal citation, on its own, an RS? Or is it too primary and/or POV? Thanks. Gog the Mild ( talk) 17:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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Greco-Italian War is certainly not start class (it's at least C – I've not properly checked if it's B). In trying to change the rating from "start" to "C" the talk page is still displaying "start" – no idea what I'm doing wrong here... Aza24 ( talk) 09:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project might be interested in this discussion. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 16:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Battle of Tippecanoe for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Kevin1776 ( talk) 17:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I made changes to the 219th Engineer Brigade page and removed references of the 219th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade. I did leave the information concerning the change from 219th BfSB to the Engineer Brigade. The 219th BfSB should have a standalone page concerning the unit's history since it ended in 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugkill ( talk • contribs) 02:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi - I am an editor who focuses mainly on basketball articles. I am looking to complete the 1947 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans article, which has one redlink– Kenneth Shugart, who was an All-American for the US Naval Academy. I am hoping someone here with knowledge of United States military history can help me identify if Shugart is notable from a military perspective and perhaps we can collaborate - I can write his athletic section. Does anyone know much about Shugart? Thanks! Rikster2 ( talk) 23:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Discussion proposing the merge of both General of the Armies and Admiral of the Navy into Six-star ranks in the U.S. armed forces to be found here. Cheers - wolf 16:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi all. I found a memorandum for the composition of the government's forces for Battle of Montgomery's Tavern but I struggle with understanding it and writing a paragraph about it. The document can be found here: [26].
I'm interpreting that the advanced guard is all under the command of MacNab, with three companies led by Nash, Coppinge and Garrett, but why are Draper and Sherwood listed without additional detail? Is this the same reason why Duggan, Gamble, etc. are listed separately under Two Guns? Are "Two Guns" "Artillery" and "Dragoons" referring to different sections of the forces? What is the information under "Dragoons" referring to? Basically, I am really struggling with what this document is supposed to tell me about the composition of the government's forces.
Please ping me in your response so I get the notification. I really appreciate your help. Z1720 ( talk) 20:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Ethnic cleansing#RfC. ( t · c) buidhe 02:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project might be interested in expanding this article. LearnIndology ( talk) 18:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Following Headbomb's now archived post, I figured I'd repost the remaining GAs that still have broken harv refs. We're actually rather close to getting through these so if some folks could each do one or two more we should be good: Aza24 ( talk) 05:50, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Aza24, you can use Petscan to run a query to list articles with template:good article and the MILHIST banner on the talk page that are also in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. It throws up 103 articles. Some may be false positives that have already been discounted but some will be from the bottom end of the alphabet that User:Headbomb didn't get to before. If you remove the good article requirement you can get a list of 3,800 MILHIST articles in the error category - Dumelow ( talk) 18:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
HI all. In working on
Mercy dog, I came across
a blog post by the British Red Cross (not the most RS) that says the following: Not many people will have come across Oliver Hyde’s book, The Work of the Red Cross Dog on the Battlefield, written in 1915. But in this long-forgotten book, a paean to the bravery of the daring canines, the author captures perfectly the value of the First World War’s most unlikely group of heroes. “To the forlorn and despairing wounded soldier, the coming of the Red Cross dog is that of a messenger of hope. Here at last is help, here is first aid. [The soldier] knows that medical assistance cannot be far away, and will be summoned by every means in the dog’s power. “As part of the great Red Cross army of mercy, he is beyond price.”
Well not only have I not come across it, I've found no sign it ever existed-- Google, Worldcat, archive.org, and Amazon all draw blanks-- and all results for the quote seem to be drawn from the blog, or the blog is drawing it from one of the other sources. Could anyone help me track down this book?
Eddie891
Talk
Work 22:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Any help would be appreciated with a query concerning the naming of the Ottoman frigate Ertuğrul over at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Ertuğrul_the_boat. Alansplodge ( talk) 16:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Alexandre Fourchault has recently been created-- I'm struggling to see how he meets NSOLDIER or GNG, isn't even mentioned at the Mokrani Revolt article (which he was supposedly a main figure in). Those with more knowledge of french-related things may be able to weigh in. Thoughts? Eddie891 Talk Work 13:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know his rank in December 1917? Thanks Keith-264 ( talk) 00:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I welcome your input at this location: Talk:Russia–Turkey proxy conflict#Move portions to other articles, or what else? -- George Ho ( talk) 17:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Ruwiki: w:ru:Травин, Николай Васильевич. Plwiki: w:pl:Nikołaj Trawin.
An article was written about him: User:Leaftree1. Cleaning up tags, references and fixing the image license (which is how I found this) etc is no problem for me, but if he's not considered notable (and I don't know much about this subject) I'd be wasting my time. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 17:35, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
G'day all, I am currently GAN reviewing at Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army/GA2#Sectarianism, which is, to put it mildly, fairly sensitive. Whilst I am happy with the nominator's responses to almost all of my comments, and the article is tracking well towards promotion, I have a niggling concern that the relevant reliable sources regarding whether the IRA was sectarian may not be fully reflected in the article, and whether examples of sectarian attacks should be added by way of illustration. In particular, whether the specific observations and examples of Timothy Shanahan (philosopher) regarding the IRA's sectarianism should be included. You will see an extensive section on the review page about this, along with a Google Books link to Shanahan's book. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 01:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I recently fixed a rotten link to MilitaryArchitecture.com. Links seem to be taken over by domain squatters and to redirect to some advertising or similar and I was thinking of fixing them site-wide. The arx journal doesn't seem to be used as a reference so often to require a bot, but enough times to make seeking other opinions before acting a good idea and because of the subject this seemed to be the best place for it. Much of this material, if not all, can be found at [27], this seems a legit publication, but I am not 100% sure and contains a rotten link itself. Other doubts are about leaving or deleting the old url and if it would better to use an archived link of the same site or some orher sources or simply giving the title/number/year of the journal. Personuser ( talk) 02:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)