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Can someone assess Dmitry Salita for importance?-- Epeefleche ( talk) 09:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
An editor is trying to WP:CENSOR the fact that Category:American Jews applies to Allen Klein. This editor is on his/her second revert. Please keep an eye on this article. -- GHcool ( talk) 22:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I am wondering why people insist on writing the literal name of G-d (i.e., the four-lettered one starting with Yud). As an Orthodox Jew, this upsets me. They are wonderful articles and is writing the Name of G-d really necessary? I doubt anyone outside of Judaism would know that the Name means the Name of G-d. Dovid 75.186.59.82 ( talk) 15:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Working on Elijah - Elijah's chair has a Hebrew phrase but I can't translate it completely - to me it looks like "Zeh Ciseh Elijah Zachor LaMuv" - "This is the chair of Elijah, Remember ___" Can anyone give me a little push here? Kaisershatner ( talk) 14:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_July_6#Category:Jewish_surnames. Badagnani ( talk) 22:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I have made a proposal to change one of the templates. Please see the discussion here. -shirulashem (talk) 15:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
There are a few important changes to the popular pages system. A quick summary:
-- Mr. Z-man 00:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there a guideline anywhere about the use of BCE instead of BC and CE instead of AD? Debresser ( talk) 16:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
WP:MOS says
AD and BC are the traditional ways of referring to these eras. However, the CE and BCE is becoming more common in academic and some religious writing. No preference is given to either style. Use either the BC-AD or the BCE-CE notation, but not both in the same article.
Is there a documented consensus which to use in Judaism related articles? Debresser ( talk) 16:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Template:Israel lobby has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. GHcool ( talk) 16:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't Biblical Hebrew be a part of this project? Debresser ( talk) 16:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone is trying to add what appears to be WP:OR and synthesis to Khazars again. Please see Talk:Khazars for examples of the latest. Extra eyes would be appreciated. -- Avi ( talk) 15:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all -- I have collided with someone on the Felix Mendelssohn article who is quite insistent not only that this famous composer was not Jewish, but that it is "offensive" to categorize him as such. I'd like a sanity check from you. Is this true? As far as I know, and I've read, the general histories of music have it as "he was a Jew who converted to Christianity" -- and indeed our article has him in both categories, as it seems it should be (as well as his sister Fanny, of course). The Jewish Encyclopedia certainly has a substantial biography of him. At least this person hasn't called me a "Nazi" yet (he did in January). Thanks for your help, Antandrus (talk) 18:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Your input will be appreciated on Talk:Akiba_ben_Joseph#Akiba_.2F_Akiva. Debresser ( talk) 12:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
A section of Judaism and Christianity was moved to a new article Jewish theology of love. I have reverted the move, and recommend somebody Afd that article, for the reason I stated in both articles' talkpages. Debresser ( talk) 12:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, We have to build a consensus if the links belong on that article or not please let us know your opinion on talk pages for mikvah and niddah. -- Ntb613 ( talk) 14:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Would someone knowledgeable about the Khazar issue please look at the history of The Thirteenth Tribe? Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 20:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
On Rashash there is a rolling edit war between those who feel that it should just direct to Shalom Sharabi, with Samuel Strashun being mentioned in a hatnote, and those who prefer a disambiguation page. As an Ashkenaz I automatically associated "Rashash" with Strashun rather than Sharabi, and I have been in agreement with Hanina ( talk · contribs) that a disambiguation page would be most appropriate. An anonymous editor continues to disagree. I suggested that he post a message here to get others' opinions, but so far this has not happened.
The question for the panel: what is better? A disambiguation page or a redirect to one of the two people known as "Rashash", with a hatnote pointing to the other's page. Please comment on Talk:Rashash. The page itself is currently semiprotected given the repeated edits against consensus. JFW | T@lk 16:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Disambiguation says clearly that "If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic, and that the disambiguation page should be located at the plain title with no "(disambiguation)"." So I call upon all editors to regard this subject as closed. I have posted a similar post on Rashash. Debresser ( talk) 08:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
ואגלי להון תרע תיובא ואחוינון דיהכון באורח שלם וקשוט
Can someone help out on the page about Rabbi Yerucham Olshin. I believe he is notable enough to have a page but I don't have sources or info. Nerguy ( talk) 02:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
After creating a page for the Lindo lamp, I realized that there was no category to put it in. So I created a category for Jewish ceremonial art. I also notices that Jewish ceremonial art had no page. Major museums collect Jewish art. major artists produce it. For many centuries, there was little art that was "Jewish" except for the extremely beautiful illuminated hagadot, beautifully molded kiddush cups, etc. Many of these objects and artists/craftsmen merit pages. But the page for the whole categlryof objects needs to be written and I welcome the participation of anyone with an interest in the topic. It doesn't seem like a bad Tisha b'Av project. Historicist ( talk) 01:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Would appreciate someone with knowledge and a new perspective to help us craft the correct lede. Does Judaism have a reactive view of Jesus, a non-view of Jesus, a largely negative view, an indifferent one? Anyone have a clue? Kaisershatner ( talk) 14:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC) I should add, please be willing to read the long talk section pertaining to this. There has been a lot of debate. Kaisershatner ( talk) 14:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Abraham Goldfaden/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the unreferenced articles list, and came across one for a Hebrew Century. The user User:Rickyrab has created a whole lot of article stubs (see [[Category:Hebrew_year_stubs]]) for both Hebrew Centuries and Hebrew Years, and I am not sure if they are required.
Obviously the folks in this project would be better judges of this, so I leave it to you for your consideration.
Regards, -- PhantomSteve ( Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I have done a GA Reassessment of the Alcohol in the Bible article as part of the GA Sweeps project. My reassessment can be found here. I have found that the article does not meet the current GA Criteria and as such I have placed it on hold for one week pending work. I am notifying all interested projects and editors of this in the hopes that an editor will come forth to work on the article. Should you have questions or concerns please contact me at my talk page. H1nkles ( talk) 20:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Eu.stefan, has done an amazing job on the Outline of Buddhism.
See also Outline of Christianity, Outline of Islam, and Outline of Hinduism.
There's a big gap in the religion branch of the outline collection, as Judaism is not covered.
Is there someone here who is knowledgeable enough about Judaism to create an Outline of Judaism?
The Transhumanist 22:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone help with the development of an article on a group called "True Torah Jews" a google search of this term puts this group of orthodox jews at the top of the search (note that they are against zionism). There is not an article on this group in Wiki and would like to remove the redirect and start one, excellent Q & A section Please start research on Q & A first as other sections are alarming. Snettie ( talk) 13:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't Tower of Babel be added to this project? Debresser ( talk) 19:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a quick note, the above was forked from Divine Providence, which was rated C-class and high importance. I added the project banner to the fork but placed it as Start class, making a call on whether the fork itself meets this project's C-Class guidelines is something I'd rather have the project itself make. Best, MLauba ( talk) 23:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Two users, User:PiCo and User:Cush, are attempting to insert anti-Israel propaganda into The Bible and history ( [2]).
Some choice selections:
was founded on the belief that Jews had lived in the land of "Israel" (a name found only in the bible by that time)
Factually untrue, and the placing of Israel in quotes demonstrates bias.
joint project of the Jewish Palestine Exploration Society and the Va‘adat Shemot (Names Committee) to rename Arab Palestine according to the template of biblical Israel, replacing all Arabic place-names with Jewish names.
In most cases the Arabic names were corruptions of the original Hebrew names. In other cases, they were corruptions of Roman names which had been given to Jewish towns. For example, Shechem was called Neapolis by the Romans, and is now called Nablus by the Arabs. Ashdod was renamed Isdud by the Arabs. For a good overview and a chart of Ancient names vs. Modern Arabic names vs. Modern Hebrew names, see "Ancient Place Names in Israel", by Daniela Santus, University of Turin, Italy.
the settler movement, which justifies its encroachments on Palestinian lands
Use of the judgemental term "encroachment" and accusations without any support.
Some Palestinians have retaliated by arguing that they, and not the modern Jews, are the genuine descendants of the ancient inhabitants of the land
In other words, for the Palestinian Arabs, it's "retaliation". They are simply victims retaliating.
I'd appreciate it if some of you would drop by and help, both on the discussion page and on the article itself. - Lisa ( talk) 13:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone (not me) has proposed a merge of Satan into Devil discuss at Talk:Satan#Satan_merged_into_Devil.3F. I am circulating this among relevant boards. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 21:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a flaring argument on Talk:Christianity_and_Judaism#Sin. For the sake of building consensus, please have a look and state your opinions and/or take action. Debresser ( talk) 11:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Modi'in Illit#Ultra-Orthodox/Haredi. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 22:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Could anyone who knows Hebrew spellings please look at this ANI discussion about Yaron Livne ( talk · contribs)'s spelling changes? Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 09:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Bug at Template:YU Roshei Yeshiva. Chesdovi ( talk) 13:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
First Roumanian-American congregation is a Featured Article Candidate. Comments welcome here. Jayjg (talk) 21:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I was perusing through the pages here. I wanted to see what was going on with my 12th great grandfather's page and I saw a few glaring omissions, mistakes etc. For starters his name was Gershon Shaul Yom Tov Lipman. One of my cousin's went to his grave and did a lot of research, would it be an acceptable source? http://web.mac.com/lmort/Vivian_Kahn_Family_Website/R._Yom_Tov_Lipman_Heller.html -- Saxophonemn ( talk) 18:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
An editor has come along and purged almost the entire Jews for Jesus page, re-writing it in what the user states is a less POV way. but it is now ambiguous and somewhat sympathetic. The changes have all been made so quickly that no users have yet objected. I don't intend to get in an edit war trying to stave off the gross editing on my own. Any help appreciated. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Coordination of activity. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 19:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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I was curious about the Fast of Gedalia which led me to Gedaliah's page. I was wondering if there are clearer dates for when Gedaliah lived to the time of assassination and if the article is suppose to be a biography of this biblical politician. Govvy ( talk) 22:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello Everyone. A big favour: There is a zealous effort at Marc Garlasco to purge all references to NGO Monitor. Without endorsing NGO Monitor, or having an opinion on the group one way or the other, the reason three users are attempting to have NGO Monitor purged as being unreliable is that the group offered criticism of Human Rights Watch's Garlasco and his anti-Israel bias, not to mention Garlasco as an avid collector of German/Nazi war memorabilia. If you check out the talk page you'll find a link to the move to purge NGO Monitor at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Thanks. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 16:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Would somebody who actually cares about the issue care to debate the editor who is removing his jewishness from the lede? 98.248.33.198 ( talk) 03:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
FYI, the page has been moved to Jerusalem Day for some odd reason, even though numerous move requests have already been turned down. Yossiea (talk) 13:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I think there's a user making anti-Semitic edits. Who do I contact? -- Silvestris ( talk) 04:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there any verifiable information on Nayrot, a pre- Hanukkah solstice celebration? Here is what I found: [9], [10], [11], [12]. -- Kalbasa ( talk) 15:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Misuse of antisemitic accusations. Thoughts, AfD worthy? -- Avi ( talk) 19:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Talk:Holocaust_denial#this_is_an_absurd_article_and_should_be_removed.. Thank you. Nsaum75 ( talk) 08:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC) (Using {{ Please see}})
There is a new AN/I thread watchers of this article may wish to see: [13] Slrubenstein | Talk 18:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody take a look at the Jewish philosophy article? Compared to this edit [14] of 22 September, it has been growing hugely, and I'm not at all sure about the focus or tone of the new material. I suspect User:Jimharlow99 might need some mentoring on this, but that probably needs to be from somebody better qualified than me. Jheald ( talk) 21:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
We have an editor who seems to be intent on magnifying a fringe POV and whitewashing the ridicule that established scholars have demonstrated for this fringe theory. More eyes on the following articles would be very helpful:
-- Avi ( talk) 05:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC) Can someone please take a look at the recent edits at Khazars? Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 18:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_October_26#Category:Jewish_inventors. Badagnani ( talk) 06:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Because we were unable to reach a consensus at The Holocaust, an RfC has started there. The link is Talk:The Holocaust#RfC: Should "The Holocaust" be moved?. Singularity42 ( talk) 13:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Fresh eyes would be appreciated at Talk:Animal rights and the Holocaust/Archive 1#Category. Thanks. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi. The article List of religious organizations is in need of serious help. It was in an abandoned state and discussed for deletion, however I feel it has strong potential to become a useful list. But it needs lots of help and collaboration. Is someone of you interested? -- Cyclopia talk 23:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to User:Gilabrand why the Shulchan Aruch is citable, because he/she just doesn't get it, and regards its viewpoints as mere trivia, to be deleted from articles as fluff. Newman Luke ( talk) 01:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I am not Jewish or a religious activist, just interested in fairness. According to a Google site search, all of these names are described in their intros as being a "Jewish-American businessman." I see, however, that in the Ivanka Trump article, she is just described as an "American businesswoman" and further down in the article that she is Jewish, having converted prior to her recent marriage. Shouldn't she be described as a "Jewish-American businesswoman" or, to be consistent, all the others revised to just "American businessman"? I defer to the experts on this. Thanks. 5Q5 ( talk) 15:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
A user on the page Jehovah has just removed all instances of the template {{ Hebrew}}, which was being used there to wrap Hebrew text (it switches to a slightly larger Hebrew font, more appropriate to the size of WP's English text, and more readable).
Another user has supported this, citing this March 2008 discussion at WP:Help desk [15].
Should all instances of {{ Hebrew}} now therefore be considered harmful? Or can this be worked round, and the more readable size of Hebrew text be restored? Jheald ( talk) 14:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Dauster#Soncino Talmud Links. -- Avi ( talk) 15:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Request that other editors, perhaps an administrator, take a look at the Mexico and Puerto Rico sections of this article. The article has been tagged with needing citations but an editor, User:TruthRevealed33 (with little edit history), keeps insisting that each and every sentence in those sections needs to have a {{fact}} or {{dubious}} tag attached to it [16]. -- Nsaum75 ( talk) 19:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I want to merge Tattenai and Tatnai, but I'm not sure which spelling to use as the main page. Help? Aristophanes68 ( talk) 04:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, In trying to brush up Lipa Schmeltzer I added an infobox and I can't figure out what is wrong with it. I also added a bunch of sources on the talk page that can be used to flesh out a very sad little article. I've got to get back to work or I'd do it myself. Joe407 ( talk) 16:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at Talk:Solomon's Temple#"in Jerusalem"? I've asked a question there about the wording of the article, and so far the only answer I've gotten is from someone who I suspect knows less than I do. - Jmabel | Talk 20:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, the Nathan (son of David) article has seen a lot of attention from an editor (or group of editors) with very particular views on the subject. The 'Jewish Interpretations' section is, in essence, a very convoluted and unencyclopedic 'essay' about, well, it's hard to tell, frankly. I don't know what to make of it, so I figured that I'd make mention of it here. Knyght27 ( talk) 08:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
This article has been placed for deletion (not by me). Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marriageable age in Judaism. Newman Luke ( talk) 20:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
For over six months, the Judaism article has said:
This was true
This is what I below refer to as the consensus version.
On November 9, Navanlos changed "set of beliefs and practices" to "religion."
On the Talk page, she provided this explanation:
I do not think this is a good enough reason to change consensus. I also do not think that discussion over the course of one day is enough to change consensus. Finally, I think a change in consensus should invluve the use of reliable sources.
I provide as complete an explanation of my pattern of consistent reverts as possible on the talk page here. The simplest reasons are:
There is a long history of reverts. I would rather not continue this revert war. I would rather have a discussion informed by sources. But Navnlos and Sniper have refused any attempt at discussion. There attitude is just that "it's obvious" and so my views doi not merit any kind of consideration.
I appreciate input from others Slrubenstein | Talk 03:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Note: I now saw that the proper place for discussion about this subjet is probably Talk:Judaism#Page_protected. Please post there. Debresser ( talk) 06:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Articles in need of attention:
These articles are written in the style of a Pilpul Shiur. I would propose deletion but the author put in a tremendous amount of work, so I'd like to hear what others think. Shlomke ( talk) 00:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi ... just fyi, there is an AfD now for consideration of deletion of an article on a CD with the music of Terezin, here.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 02:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I just suggested that Jewsweek be merged to Benyamin Cohen. Steve Dufour ( talk) 03:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Should this be Medical genetics of Jews or Medical genetics of Jewish people? Which do people prefer? Tim Vickers ( talk) 03:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Possible merge? Opinions here please. Tim Vickers ( talk) 02:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Please help convert Jewish Museum from list to article. It is very useful to have a series of articles defining each of the types of museums. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 12:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, I just added a section to the article Religious response to ART addressing the views of the Conservative Jewish movement. Can someone here fact check it for me or maybe offer additional input from the perspective of the conservative movement? Not being in the movement limits my perspective and knowledge. Thank you, Joe407 ( talk) 06:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Please see:
Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 08:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Complex new article Mishk'vei ishah, spun off from Leviticus 18 article, that gives it a Hebrew name but relies almost entirely on modern scholarship, needs input. See talk page there. IZAK ( talk) 16:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, Over the past half a year I've been making an effort to improve a lot of the articles about yeshivot. I've seen many of them that burn 3 paragraphs or more explaining what is a standard yeshiva curriculum and daily routine. And they all act as if they are the WP article about Yeshivas. Should I leave Carteret_Yeshiva or Mesoras Mordechai (just examples) as is with it's lengthy descriptions of yeshiva life and yeshiva learning or should these be cut down to "Hey! This is a yeshiva!" and let people click on the wiki-link? Joe407 ( talk) 04:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Update: This edit is an experiment in reducing the need for every yeshiva to reiterate the same curriculum as every other yeshiva. I put in a link to the main article, Yeshiva, for those who want to read more. I am doing this in the hope that it will force people writing about yeshivos to focus on the notability and uniqueness of each yeshiva and not just fill up space or use WP to advertise their institution.
Please offer any thoughts or comments on this effort and any suggestions or help towards improvement would be great. Joe407 ( talk) 06:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I added a RFC at the WP:RS noticeboard for YWN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#YeshivaWorldNews Yossiea (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone who knows the topic carry out the merge of Bedikah cloth into Niddah? Ta. Fences& Windows 01:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
An RfC regarding which archaeological categories the Second Temple should fall under is currently underway here. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 10:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see if we can achieve a consensus as to primary, secondary, and tertiary reliable sources, and update the manual of style accordingly.
Acccording to
WP:PRIMARY, any "religious scripture" is a primary source. I would like to exclude from
wp:Judaism comparisons between Judaism and other religions. I also believe that the trunk that units the branches of Judaism is the
tanach.
Secondary sources rely for their facts and opinions on reliable primary sources, often to make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims.
Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources if they have been published by a reliable secondary source.
Tertiary sources are publications such as encyclopedias or other
compendia that mainly summarize secondary sources. For example, Wikipedia itself is a tertiary source. Tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources.
WP:Verifiability#Reliable sources describes the criteria for assessing the reliability of sources. Articles and posts on Wikipedia, or on
websites that mirror its content, may not be used as sources.
Appropriate sourcing can be a complicated issue, and these are general rules. Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are more suitable on any given occasion is a matter of
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At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible#Suggest an article for Tubalcain (currently a disambig) it has been suggested that Tubalcain be given his own article. I have to agree that based on what little I know of the subject that there seems to be enough material to start one, including the speculation that he might simply be Cain under another name. I am currently adding what information I can readily find to the his entry in List of minor Biblical figures#Tubalcain, but would appreciate any help or input on the subject. John Carter ( talk) 16:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
This article came up at DYK, but we'd like to have some people more versed in Jewish matters have a look at it. The article relies on the Jewish Encyclopedia, which is quite a bit out of date, and on primary sources. In addition, I think the title doesn't accurately reflect the subject matter. Ucucha 00:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Newmanyb ( talk · contribs) is editing numerous articles. Now I understand why he is changing 'Old Testament' to Hebrew Bible', but he is also changing 'Genesis' to Hebrew Bible, changing quotes (eg Lord to YHWH when the cited source says Lord), etc. I've asked him to use edit summaries but he's ignored that and continued editing. Could someone please take a look at his edits and see if they see a problem or if I'm just misunderstanding what he's doing (although he still needs to use edit summaries). Thanks. I'll notify him of this discussion. Dougweller ( talk) 09:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Our article on Nefesh B'Nefesh (organization that encourages Jewish people from North America and the United Kingdom to emigrate to Israel) could use attention from Project members. It contains a lot of content that seems dangerously close to adspam, and should probably be somewhat re-organized (for example, it has separate section headings for many different aspects of the organization which should probably be combined or omitted unless the article becomes rather larger). Thanks. -- Writtenonsand ( talk) 15:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
There appears to be some whitewashing going on. -- Avi ( talk) 18:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A user is going through Dov Hikind and other related persons adding a charge of censorship for having American Express revoke the merchant agreement of David Irving, and going to David Irving's page and adding a "victim" of censorship blurb. Yossiea (talk) 14:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there a need for a template for articles whose titles indicate that they are discussing "Judaism's view" on a topic but are primarily based on secular sources? Something along the lines of "This article represents the secular Jewish view and may not accurately represent the traditional Jewish view"? I am concerned that many people may be coming to wikipedia to understand the traditional point of view and that is often missing or not accurately represented, in my opinion. Thoughts? -- Avi ( talk) 17:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A template isn't necessary as long as sections are properly headed "Academic" or the like; the key here is to properly represent what is in the article. -- Avi ( talk) 20:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
There are articles, the Kabbalah article is the example I know best, where the traditional and academic views are mixed together in a way that makes things very confusing. I was never able to think of a good way to separate the two, but it would help if such a way to separate them could be found. 173.52.187.133 ( talk) 23:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
FYI, Category:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Jewish Museum (New_York). Please help integrate these new images into Wikipedia articles. Thanks. Kaldari ( talk) 17:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Please review. It seems unfinished and otherwise not sure if it refers to a specific or general framework. -- Shuki ( talk) 23:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conjugal obligations and rights in Judaism, more POV-pushing by User Newman Luke ( talk · contribs) depicting Judaism in negative lights. IZAK ( talk) 08:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Seems that User Newman Luke ( talk · contribs) cannot let go as he institutes a "deletion review." Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 November 30#Mishk'vei ishah. (Original AfD result was to Delete, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mishk'vei ishah.) IZAK ( talk) 09:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I am becoming very concerned about this user's edits. They seem to consistently have personal opinion/research woven into them and they substitute accepted traditional sources with non-traditional ones when explaining the traditions themselves without clarifying the difference. I will inform the user of this note, but I believe that the user may have an ulterior motive in his or her edits, and they bear watching. I am still uncertain if an RfC is called for, but I would like the opinions of other people who spend a lot of time on Judaism articles. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 03:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Newman, when will you stop personlizing the discussions and deal with the real issues at hand which is your clearly-stated intention to totally obliterate any views you don't like, particularly if you suspect they may be coming from an "Orthodox" perspective as you have made abundantly clear again and again on your talk page and elsewhere, as an example please review User talk:Newman Luke#What do you mean by this? and more. Thanks. IZAK ( talk) 05:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#User talk:Newman Luke/Editnotice. -- Avi ( talk) 15:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I am growing concerned that this user is utterly unwilling to obey WP:NPOV, by insidiously attempting to attack anyone who upholds it, if by doing so it fails to censor things that Avraham finds uncomfortable. I believe that the user may have an ulterior motive in his or her edits, and they bear watching. I am still uncertain if an RfC is called for, but I would like the opinions of other people who spend a lot of time on Judaism articles. Thank you. Newman Luke ( talk) 05:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I just moved a bunch of images to Commons, and one of them was a photo of an unknown symbol in Pittsburgh's Hill District. The uploader was unsure of its meaning and speculated that it was a Jewish symbol, possibly some for of the Star of David. I'm not convinced. Is anyone here familiar with this symbol?-- Blargh29 ( talk) 06:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Before someone gets themselves blocked for a really stupid edit war, I'd appreciate some calm and well-considered discussion at Talk:Kosher_salt#Page_move_warring. -- Dweller ( talk) 13:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a new article about the Synod of Mainz (Jewish) in 1233, by User Newman Luke ( talk · contribs). Particulalrly bothersome is the concern that it may well be that the sole purpose this article was posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia is because it contians a Takkana that was supposedly stated at the height of the murderous Christian Crusades (to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291) that requests "that no Jew should show bad faith toward a Christian, nor be guilty of counterfeiting" that from experience with User Newman Luke, he may twist it around and then falsely allege that "aha, you see, Jews were showing 'bad faith' to Christians" with no word of the historical context and climate of fear and danger at the time that this was at a time in history when Jews were being mercilessly killed by the tens of thousands by marrauding Crusaders. Would it be possible to review it in order to ensure that it adheres to both the views of Judaism and to WP:NPOV of history. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 04:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Requesting an article assessment for the Zealot Temple Siege article. Thank you. Noraft ( talk) 10:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Something to be concerned about: Please take a look at this User:Hayesgenius, a twelve year old Chabad-Lubavitch child editor on Wikipedia, in his edit history [23] he leaves information about who he is and what he's doing in violation of WP:NOTMYSPACE for a start. Looks like a troubling development. In your professional opinions and as a Wikipedians do you think it's safe and correct and SANE for kids to get involved like this, even post their personal pics in violation of WP:NOTFACEBOOK? Will Chabad now send even 12 year olds to the Wikipedia "front lines" because many of them are online so much? This needs some guidance and guidelines. Please take a look. IZAK ( talk) 03:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Malik, there is no battle and he is certainly not an enemy. I have not addressed any comments to him, I am seeking consensus from ADULTS who should show responsibility. This is a kid, nothing to do with the topic of Chabad. Does Wikipedia need his pre-Bar-Mitzva photo uploaded at File:Sholom Myers.jpg? IZAK ( talk) 04:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I have finally posted User:IZAK on WP:ANI. This post and the accusation in it, is what filled the cup for me. Debresser ( talk) 12:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the discussion immediately above this one be deleted from this page. It is irrelevant to the project, and always was, and was started here for a disruptive purpose. If this proposal is accepted, then this meta-discussion should also be deleted. -- Zsero ( talk) 16:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I just undertook a major revision of this article. However, I am not an expert, and would appreciate any more sets of eyes as are available to check my work, make suggestions, and generally contribute. Many thanks, Kaisershatner ( talk) 17:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Kaiser: Thanks for the list of all the areas you have edited next time I look them up. I don't have limitless time in any case. It is frightening to think that people will undertake to seriously edit subjects that they brazenly admit right here in public that they are not experts in. For example, how do you know when you deal with a concept that may not have a direct quote in an article and you decide to cut it out or re-arrange it that it may indeed be one of the most central and key ones in that article awaiting a source to be written in but in the meantime it's 100% valid and reliable without any citation or source inserted yet? This is like saying, that being handed all the tools of surgery and being dressed up like a surgeon, but lacking a medical school background, you would still undertake surgery, prescribe medication and "heal" the sick. I dunno, I would never do it, but I guess you would if you had the interest even though you lacked your own self-admitted "expertise" (and remember, it was you who came here openly declaring that you are "not an expert" but you were going to edit the Zohar article of all things -- so what did you expect? a medal or to get some rational guidance?) But I suppose given that we have many alert experienced and knowledgeable editors, if you had done any major damage some of them would have picked it up by now or is everyone asleep? Happy Chanuka to one and all! IZAK ( talk) 02:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Side note: IZAK - it seems quite out of character for you to rip someone a new asshole in this case. Your Dec 9th edit was IMHO uncalled for in its language. You always have good points but in the future you might want to double check how you choose to express them. Joe407 ( talk) 11:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a major problem with Ethiopian related issues. Any time scholarly evidence is presented on the sites above suggesting that there was a Hebrew and Israelite presence in Ethiopia and Arabia before 586 B.C.E. it is almost immediately censored. It is clear from the Sheba-Menelik Cycle of the Kebra Nagast that its Old Testament references pre-date the 7th century B.C.E. and the Sabaean inscriptions at Adi Kaweh, Wukro, Ethiopia (below the alleged grave site of 10th century Queen Yodit) twice specifically mention Hebrew as subjects of three queens of Sheba. In conjunction with Chaim Rabin's linguistic work [1951] suggesting that there was an ancient Hebrew presence in Asir and Hijaz, and Noldeke's shock at the antiquity of the Ethiopian word for the Ark of the Covenant plus the Sabaean origin for the word "Falasha" [Biella 2004] and the Beta Israel's word for their house of prayer [Leslau 1991] and other evidence it is unfortunate that no discussion appears to be permitted concerning the very strong probability of an ancient Hebrew/ Israelite population in pre-Babylonian captivity days in Arabia and to a lesser extent Ethiopia. Saudi Arabia and Syria have banned any books suggesting this probability. It is a pity Wikipedia editors have followed that example. Jewish interest in Ethiopian Hebraic and Israelite evidence is so disinterested that ironically it has been left to Adolph Eichmann's son to excavate Queen Yodit's alleged grave.
Ntsukunyane Mphanya 12 December 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntsukunyane Mphanya ( talk • contribs) 00:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public menorah, Thank you and a Happy Chanuka! IZAK ( talk) 04:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has a problem with a heading they can discuss it, but archiving it like this is a pre-emptive strike to shut up discussions, so I am restoring it. It is a nice joke about me not being being an admin. The answer is simple, I have never wanted to be one and never will want to be one, I am happy as an editer because being an admin involves too many other responsibilities. It is typical of pro-Chabad editors to resort to strong-arm tactics when things don't go their way and this discussion is far too important to shut-off like this especially when there are important AfDs on the go. Remember WP:NOTCENSORED, thank you. IZAK ( talk) 00:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello all, I just wanted to let any interested editors know that I'm currently involved in a major expansion of a dozen articles related to the Jewish Revolt including biographies and events.
Articles created: Zealot Temple Siege, Jesus ben Damneus Articles expanded: Ananus ben Ananus, John of Giscala, Simon Bar Giora, Phannias ben Samuel.
Additional expansion of the above articles will continue, along with addition of new articles for more of the high priests, and other figures/events I may uncover.
That said, I could use some help. If someone can add in the Hebrew-alphabet names of those who do not have them, that would be great, as well as add in any other information that will fill these articles out. I'm adding infoboxes, succession boxes, and references as I go so that the pages will be of encyclopedic quality (although the stubs will still need more content). Thanks in advance for your help. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 08:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tefillin campaign. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 08:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has a problem with a heading they can discuss it, but archiving it like this is a pre-emptive strike to shut up discussions, so I am restoring it. It is typical of pro-Chabad editors to resort to strong-arm tactics when things don't go their way and this discussion is far too important to shut-off like this especially when there are important AfDs on the go. Remember WP:NOTCENSORED, thank you. IZAK ( talk) 00:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow. I didn't realize what a can of worms I'd open up when I AFD'd "Public Menorah". I see that the gamut of Chabad related articles are being reviewed and revised.
Part of the power of the Wikipedia community is that all voices can be heard. I'd just like to remind everyone that we will all gain by using reasoned and rational voices and being polite while we disagree. And may the best logic and adherence to WP policy win. Joe407 ( talk) 16:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The correct terms for the Jewish canon of works is Torah for the 5 books of Moses (Chumash), plus Prophets (Nevi'im) plus Writings (Ketuvim). The three are collectively known by the acronym "Tanackh". The term "Old Testament" is a derogatory description used by and invented by the Christian movement. It Infers that the Jewish holy works is replaced by a new testament, because the new Christian religion replaces the old Jewish religion. This is called "supercessionism", whereby one movement supersedes and replaces an old one. The same tactic is used by Islam, where it is claimed that Islam replaces both Judaism and Christianity. Historygypsy ( talk) 23:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Almost every post above consists of two parts, talk about the articles and ad hominun attacks about the authors. Unless you know enough about an editor to write a biographic article, don't mention him or her at all. Rebele | Talk The only way to win the game is to not play the game. 03:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Peace. :) Debresser ( talk) 23:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Certainly it is better to "Focus on the encyclopedia, and not on the editors." In my view, most of the discussion focusing on editors has been the unsupported (and probably unsupportable) accusations against one editor for WP:PA and for Lashon Hara. I wish that would stop. 173.52.187.133 ( talk) 13:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see and add your views at:
and at:
Every minor Chabad house does not deserve it's own article. May as well start a series about the thousands of shtiebels in the world that usually far outnumber Chabad houses in size and membership but who neither strive for nor get Wikipedia articles of their own. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 14:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
He has been warned User talk:Beis Din, but still reverts edits [26]. Where is the right place to report this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shmaltz ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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06:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
IPs are adding classic WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, and unsourced personal editorializing to the article again. Can an eye be kept on it so that additions are 1) sourced and 2) the sources directly refer to the book, and not something tangential which would be a WP:SYNTH violation. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 07:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Greetings. Please make a note of my new proposal at Talk:Jewish Polish history during the 20th century#Requested move. Thanks. -- Poeticbent talk 20:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Please forgive my ignorance and I do feel a bit ridiculous double-checking on this, but I don't want to change something I don't understand fully, especially when it concerns a religion other than my own. In the Shammai article, I found the following under the See also heading:
Kfar Shamai, wehweh to the max moshav in Israel
The middle part of that has got to be wrong, but how far does the vandalism extend?
I request that someone more knowledgeable fix this, not just reply here, because I am disabled with many illnesses and sometimes I have to take long breaks between editing due to fuzzy-headedness, etc. Thanks, 75.92.162.126 ( talk) 10:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Jews. Kitfoxxe ( talk) 15:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
At the moment Jewish seminary is a redirect to Beis Yaakov. This redirect is not a good thing, but only exists because of lack of an article. Obviously, the word "seminary" may refer to yeshives as well ( Rabbinical Seminary of America, Rabbinical Seminary of Budapest, Rabbinical seminary in Breslau, Rabbinical Seminary International). Moreover, Beis Yaakov is a well-know and widespread girls seminary, but it is by no means the only girls seminary. Debresser ( talk) 19:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Jewish seminary is now a regular disambiguation page. What was all the fuss about? IZAK ( talk) 13:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I've nominated a fact in the newly created article Origins of Judaism for DYK. See Template talk:Did you know#Origins of Judaism. Please let me know what you think of the nom. Thanks, AFriedman (talk) 21:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
A WP:COI complaint and discussion concerning User Yehoishophot Oliver ( talk · contribs) has started at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver. Kindly add your comments. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 03:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The WP:COI complaint of pro-Chabad POV editing and violations of WP:OWN in Chabad-related articles against Users Yehoishophot Oliver ( talk · contribs) and Shlomke ( talk · contribs) and Zsero ( talk · contribs) and Debresser ( talk · contribs), is now in its final stages as admins review it. The debate and discussions have expanded greatly since their start. If any outside party still wishes to add their comments and observations, now is the time. New sections have been added at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 06:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Likewise if any outside party wishes to add their comments regarding IZAK ( talk · contribs)'s editing, tone POV etc., now is the time to add them in at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver.
I thought I would notify you here that I am proposing a merge of these two. I will also tag for an expert, but perhaps this is a short cut to getting one. I think these two are the same person? Simeon in rabbinic literature seems to have been lifted with minimal change from the Jewish Encyclopedia. But I notice that it has been assessed to be of mid-level importance for your project, so I didn't want to go ahead with the merge without notifying you here. My only interest is that I found the "in rabbinic literature" in the backlog of articles to be wikified from December 2007 (sic). Thanks. Itsmejudith ( talk) 16:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI: Please see: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Chabad movement editors. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 11:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Howdy, The article Contemporary Jewish religious music has a section on important and influential figures. Rather than it become an edit war with everyone putting in their favorite singer or band, I've opened a discussion and would appreciate your comments and thoughts at: Talk:Contemporary_Jewish_religious_music#Important_figures. Thanks, Joe407 ( talk) 18:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I've created Category:Reform Jews, having noticed that corresponding Categories representing most of the other major movements already seem to exist. Many of the most notable and accomplished Jewish people have affiliated with the Reform movement, and I think it's important to create a Category that shows this. I'm able to find information about which individuals belong in this Category in lists of notable people affiliated with specific Reform synagogues. Does anyone else want to help out with this? To me, this Category seems like important information. -- AFriedman (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Please see:: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yahweh and Allah. Borock ( talk) 07:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Eyes requested on The Thirteenth Tribe; well-poisoning and citation removals by the same user is happening again. -- Avi ( talk) 17:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Please add the Shechita article to the project's watchlist. Dosbears ( talk) 00:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Another editor and I have concerns about the lack of sourcing in the article on Yisrael Mendel Kaplan. Could anybody comment on this at Talk:Yisrael Mendel Kaplan? Abductive ( reasoning) 17:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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Can someone assess Dmitry Salita for importance?-- Epeefleche ( talk) 09:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
An editor is trying to WP:CENSOR the fact that Category:American Jews applies to Allen Klein. This editor is on his/her second revert. Please keep an eye on this article. -- GHcool ( talk) 22:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I am wondering why people insist on writing the literal name of G-d (i.e., the four-lettered one starting with Yud). As an Orthodox Jew, this upsets me. They are wonderful articles and is writing the Name of G-d really necessary? I doubt anyone outside of Judaism would know that the Name means the Name of G-d. Dovid 75.186.59.82 ( talk) 15:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Working on Elijah - Elijah's chair has a Hebrew phrase but I can't translate it completely - to me it looks like "Zeh Ciseh Elijah Zachor LaMuv" - "This is the chair of Elijah, Remember ___" Can anyone give me a little push here? Kaisershatner ( talk) 14:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_July_6#Category:Jewish_surnames. Badagnani ( talk) 22:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I have made a proposal to change one of the templates. Please see the discussion here. -shirulashem (talk) 15:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
There are a few important changes to the popular pages system. A quick summary:
-- Mr. Z-man 00:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there a guideline anywhere about the use of BCE instead of BC and CE instead of AD? Debresser ( talk) 16:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
WP:MOS says
AD and BC are the traditional ways of referring to these eras. However, the CE and BCE is becoming more common in academic and some religious writing. No preference is given to either style. Use either the BC-AD or the BCE-CE notation, but not both in the same article.
Is there a documented consensus which to use in Judaism related articles? Debresser ( talk) 16:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Template:Israel lobby has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. GHcool ( talk) 16:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't Biblical Hebrew be a part of this project? Debresser ( talk) 16:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone is trying to add what appears to be WP:OR and synthesis to Khazars again. Please see Talk:Khazars for examples of the latest. Extra eyes would be appreciated. -- Avi ( talk) 15:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all -- I have collided with someone on the Felix Mendelssohn article who is quite insistent not only that this famous composer was not Jewish, but that it is "offensive" to categorize him as such. I'd like a sanity check from you. Is this true? As far as I know, and I've read, the general histories of music have it as "he was a Jew who converted to Christianity" -- and indeed our article has him in both categories, as it seems it should be (as well as his sister Fanny, of course). The Jewish Encyclopedia certainly has a substantial biography of him. At least this person hasn't called me a "Nazi" yet (he did in January). Thanks for your help, Antandrus (talk) 18:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Your input will be appreciated on Talk:Akiba_ben_Joseph#Akiba_.2F_Akiva. Debresser ( talk) 12:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
A section of Judaism and Christianity was moved to a new article Jewish theology of love. I have reverted the move, and recommend somebody Afd that article, for the reason I stated in both articles' talkpages. Debresser ( talk) 12:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, We have to build a consensus if the links belong on that article or not please let us know your opinion on talk pages for mikvah and niddah. -- Ntb613 ( talk) 14:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Would someone knowledgeable about the Khazar issue please look at the history of The Thirteenth Tribe? Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 20:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
On Rashash there is a rolling edit war between those who feel that it should just direct to Shalom Sharabi, with Samuel Strashun being mentioned in a hatnote, and those who prefer a disambiguation page. As an Ashkenaz I automatically associated "Rashash" with Strashun rather than Sharabi, and I have been in agreement with Hanina ( talk · contribs) that a disambiguation page would be most appropriate. An anonymous editor continues to disagree. I suggested that he post a message here to get others' opinions, but so far this has not happened.
The question for the panel: what is better? A disambiguation page or a redirect to one of the two people known as "Rashash", with a hatnote pointing to the other's page. Please comment on Talk:Rashash. The page itself is currently semiprotected given the repeated edits against consensus. JFW | T@lk 16:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Disambiguation says clearly that "If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic, and that the disambiguation page should be located at the plain title with no "(disambiguation)"." So I call upon all editors to regard this subject as closed. I have posted a similar post on Rashash. Debresser ( talk) 08:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
ואגלי להון תרע תיובא ואחוינון דיהכון באורח שלם וקשוט
Can someone help out on the page about Rabbi Yerucham Olshin. I believe he is notable enough to have a page but I don't have sources or info. Nerguy ( talk) 02:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
After creating a page for the Lindo lamp, I realized that there was no category to put it in. So I created a category for Jewish ceremonial art. I also notices that Jewish ceremonial art had no page. Major museums collect Jewish art. major artists produce it. For many centuries, there was little art that was "Jewish" except for the extremely beautiful illuminated hagadot, beautifully molded kiddush cups, etc. Many of these objects and artists/craftsmen merit pages. But the page for the whole categlryof objects needs to be written and I welcome the participation of anyone with an interest in the topic. It doesn't seem like a bad Tisha b'Av project. Historicist ( talk) 01:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Would appreciate someone with knowledge and a new perspective to help us craft the correct lede. Does Judaism have a reactive view of Jesus, a non-view of Jesus, a largely negative view, an indifferent one? Anyone have a clue? Kaisershatner ( talk) 14:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC) I should add, please be willing to read the long talk section pertaining to this. There has been a lot of debate. Kaisershatner ( talk) 14:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Abraham Goldfaden/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the unreferenced articles list, and came across one for a Hebrew Century. The user User:Rickyrab has created a whole lot of article stubs (see [[Category:Hebrew_year_stubs]]) for both Hebrew Centuries and Hebrew Years, and I am not sure if they are required.
Obviously the folks in this project would be better judges of this, so I leave it to you for your consideration.
Regards, -- PhantomSteve ( Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I have done a GA Reassessment of the Alcohol in the Bible article as part of the GA Sweeps project. My reassessment can be found here. I have found that the article does not meet the current GA Criteria and as such I have placed it on hold for one week pending work. I am notifying all interested projects and editors of this in the hopes that an editor will come forth to work on the article. Should you have questions or concerns please contact me at my talk page. H1nkles ( talk) 20:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Eu.stefan, has done an amazing job on the Outline of Buddhism.
See also Outline of Christianity, Outline of Islam, and Outline of Hinduism.
There's a big gap in the religion branch of the outline collection, as Judaism is not covered.
Is there someone here who is knowledgeable enough about Judaism to create an Outline of Judaism?
The Transhumanist 22:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone help with the development of an article on a group called "True Torah Jews" a google search of this term puts this group of orthodox jews at the top of the search (note that they are against zionism). There is not an article on this group in Wiki and would like to remove the redirect and start one, excellent Q & A section Please start research on Q & A first as other sections are alarming. Snettie ( talk) 13:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't Tower of Babel be added to this project? Debresser ( talk) 19:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a quick note, the above was forked from Divine Providence, which was rated C-class and high importance. I added the project banner to the fork but placed it as Start class, making a call on whether the fork itself meets this project's C-Class guidelines is something I'd rather have the project itself make. Best, MLauba ( talk) 23:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Two users, User:PiCo and User:Cush, are attempting to insert anti-Israel propaganda into The Bible and history ( [2]).
Some choice selections:
was founded on the belief that Jews had lived in the land of "Israel" (a name found only in the bible by that time)
Factually untrue, and the placing of Israel in quotes demonstrates bias.
joint project of the Jewish Palestine Exploration Society and the Va‘adat Shemot (Names Committee) to rename Arab Palestine according to the template of biblical Israel, replacing all Arabic place-names with Jewish names.
In most cases the Arabic names were corruptions of the original Hebrew names. In other cases, they were corruptions of Roman names which had been given to Jewish towns. For example, Shechem was called Neapolis by the Romans, and is now called Nablus by the Arabs. Ashdod was renamed Isdud by the Arabs. For a good overview and a chart of Ancient names vs. Modern Arabic names vs. Modern Hebrew names, see "Ancient Place Names in Israel", by Daniela Santus, University of Turin, Italy.
the settler movement, which justifies its encroachments on Palestinian lands
Use of the judgemental term "encroachment" and accusations without any support.
Some Palestinians have retaliated by arguing that they, and not the modern Jews, are the genuine descendants of the ancient inhabitants of the land
In other words, for the Palestinian Arabs, it's "retaliation". They are simply victims retaliating.
I'd appreciate it if some of you would drop by and help, both on the discussion page and on the article itself. - Lisa ( talk) 13:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone (not me) has proposed a merge of Satan into Devil discuss at Talk:Satan#Satan_merged_into_Devil.3F. I am circulating this among relevant boards. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 21:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a flaring argument on Talk:Christianity_and_Judaism#Sin. For the sake of building consensus, please have a look and state your opinions and/or take action. Debresser ( talk) 11:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Modi'in Illit#Ultra-Orthodox/Haredi. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 22:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Could anyone who knows Hebrew spellings please look at this ANI discussion about Yaron Livne ( talk · contribs)'s spelling changes? Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 09:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Bug at Template:YU Roshei Yeshiva. Chesdovi ( talk) 13:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
First Roumanian-American congregation is a Featured Article Candidate. Comments welcome here. Jayjg (talk) 21:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I was perusing through the pages here. I wanted to see what was going on with my 12th great grandfather's page and I saw a few glaring omissions, mistakes etc. For starters his name was Gershon Shaul Yom Tov Lipman. One of my cousin's went to his grave and did a lot of research, would it be an acceptable source? http://web.mac.com/lmort/Vivian_Kahn_Family_Website/R._Yom_Tov_Lipman_Heller.html -- Saxophonemn ( talk) 18:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
An editor has come along and purged almost the entire Jews for Jesus page, re-writing it in what the user states is a less POV way. but it is now ambiguous and somewhat sympathetic. The changes have all been made so quickly that no users have yet objected. I don't intend to get in an edit war trying to stave off the gross editing on my own. Any help appreciated. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Coordination of activity. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 19:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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WikiProject Judaism and possibly
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I was curious about the Fast of Gedalia which led me to Gedaliah's page. I was wondering if there are clearer dates for when Gedaliah lived to the time of assassination and if the article is suppose to be a biography of this biblical politician. Govvy ( talk) 22:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello Everyone. A big favour: There is a zealous effort at Marc Garlasco to purge all references to NGO Monitor. Without endorsing NGO Monitor, or having an opinion on the group one way or the other, the reason three users are attempting to have NGO Monitor purged as being unreliable is that the group offered criticism of Human Rights Watch's Garlasco and his anti-Israel bias, not to mention Garlasco as an avid collector of German/Nazi war memorabilia. If you check out the talk page you'll find a link to the move to purge NGO Monitor at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Thanks. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 16:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Would somebody who actually cares about the issue care to debate the editor who is removing his jewishness from the lede? 98.248.33.198 ( talk) 03:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
FYI, the page has been moved to Jerusalem Day for some odd reason, even though numerous move requests have already been turned down. Yossiea (talk) 13:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I think there's a user making anti-Semitic edits. Who do I contact? -- Silvestris ( talk) 04:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there any verifiable information on Nayrot, a pre- Hanukkah solstice celebration? Here is what I found: [9], [10], [11], [12]. -- Kalbasa ( talk) 15:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Misuse of antisemitic accusations. Thoughts, AfD worthy? -- Avi ( talk) 19:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Talk:Holocaust_denial#this_is_an_absurd_article_and_should_be_removed.. Thank you. Nsaum75 ( talk) 08:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC) (Using {{ Please see}})
There is a new AN/I thread watchers of this article may wish to see: [13] Slrubenstein | Talk 18:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody take a look at the Jewish philosophy article? Compared to this edit [14] of 22 September, it has been growing hugely, and I'm not at all sure about the focus or tone of the new material. I suspect User:Jimharlow99 might need some mentoring on this, but that probably needs to be from somebody better qualified than me. Jheald ( talk) 21:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
We have an editor who seems to be intent on magnifying a fringe POV and whitewashing the ridicule that established scholars have demonstrated for this fringe theory. More eyes on the following articles would be very helpful:
-- Avi ( talk) 05:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC) Can someone please take a look at the recent edits at Khazars? Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 18:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_October_26#Category:Jewish_inventors. Badagnani ( talk) 06:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Because we were unable to reach a consensus at The Holocaust, an RfC has started there. The link is Talk:The Holocaust#RfC: Should "The Holocaust" be moved?. Singularity42 ( talk) 13:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Fresh eyes would be appreciated at Talk:Animal rights and the Holocaust/Archive 1#Category. Thanks. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi. The article List of religious organizations is in need of serious help. It was in an abandoned state and discussed for deletion, however I feel it has strong potential to become a useful list. But it needs lots of help and collaboration. Is someone of you interested? -- Cyclopia talk 23:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to User:Gilabrand why the Shulchan Aruch is citable, because he/she just doesn't get it, and regards its viewpoints as mere trivia, to be deleted from articles as fluff. Newman Luke ( talk) 01:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I am not Jewish or a religious activist, just interested in fairness. According to a Google site search, all of these names are described in their intros as being a "Jewish-American businessman." I see, however, that in the Ivanka Trump article, she is just described as an "American businesswoman" and further down in the article that she is Jewish, having converted prior to her recent marriage. Shouldn't she be described as a "Jewish-American businesswoman" or, to be consistent, all the others revised to just "American businessman"? I defer to the experts on this. Thanks. 5Q5 ( talk) 15:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
A user on the page Jehovah has just removed all instances of the template {{ Hebrew}}, which was being used there to wrap Hebrew text (it switches to a slightly larger Hebrew font, more appropriate to the size of WP's English text, and more readable).
Another user has supported this, citing this March 2008 discussion at WP:Help desk [15].
Should all instances of {{ Hebrew}} now therefore be considered harmful? Or can this be worked round, and the more readable size of Hebrew text be restored? Jheald ( talk) 14:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Dauster#Soncino Talmud Links. -- Avi ( talk) 15:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Request that other editors, perhaps an administrator, take a look at the Mexico and Puerto Rico sections of this article. The article has been tagged with needing citations but an editor, User:TruthRevealed33 (with little edit history), keeps insisting that each and every sentence in those sections needs to have a {{fact}} or {{dubious}} tag attached to it [16]. -- Nsaum75 ( talk) 19:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I want to merge Tattenai and Tatnai, but I'm not sure which spelling to use as the main page. Help? Aristophanes68 ( talk) 04:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, In trying to brush up Lipa Schmeltzer I added an infobox and I can't figure out what is wrong with it. I also added a bunch of sources on the talk page that can be used to flesh out a very sad little article. I've got to get back to work or I'd do it myself. Joe407 ( talk) 16:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at Talk:Solomon's Temple#"in Jerusalem"? I've asked a question there about the wording of the article, and so far the only answer I've gotten is from someone who I suspect knows less than I do. - Jmabel | Talk 20:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, the Nathan (son of David) article has seen a lot of attention from an editor (or group of editors) with very particular views on the subject. The 'Jewish Interpretations' section is, in essence, a very convoluted and unencyclopedic 'essay' about, well, it's hard to tell, frankly. I don't know what to make of it, so I figured that I'd make mention of it here. Knyght27 ( talk) 08:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
This article has been placed for deletion (not by me). Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marriageable age in Judaism. Newman Luke ( talk) 20:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
For over six months, the Judaism article has said:
This was true
This is what I below refer to as the consensus version.
On November 9, Navanlos changed "set of beliefs and practices" to "religion."
On the Talk page, she provided this explanation:
I do not think this is a good enough reason to change consensus. I also do not think that discussion over the course of one day is enough to change consensus. Finally, I think a change in consensus should invluve the use of reliable sources.
I provide as complete an explanation of my pattern of consistent reverts as possible on the talk page here. The simplest reasons are:
There is a long history of reverts. I would rather not continue this revert war. I would rather have a discussion informed by sources. But Navnlos and Sniper have refused any attempt at discussion. There attitude is just that "it's obvious" and so my views doi not merit any kind of consideration.
I appreciate input from others Slrubenstein | Talk 03:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Note: I now saw that the proper place for discussion about this subjet is probably Talk:Judaism#Page_protected. Please post there. Debresser ( talk) 06:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Articles in need of attention:
These articles are written in the style of a Pilpul Shiur. I would propose deletion but the author put in a tremendous amount of work, so I'd like to hear what others think. Shlomke ( talk) 00:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi ... just fyi, there is an AfD now for consideration of deletion of an article on a CD with the music of Terezin, here.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 02:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I just suggested that Jewsweek be merged to Benyamin Cohen. Steve Dufour ( talk) 03:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Should this be Medical genetics of Jews or Medical genetics of Jewish people? Which do people prefer? Tim Vickers ( talk) 03:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Possible merge? Opinions here please. Tim Vickers ( talk) 02:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Please help convert Jewish Museum from list to article. It is very useful to have a series of articles defining each of the types of museums. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 12:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, I just added a section to the article Religious response to ART addressing the views of the Conservative Jewish movement. Can someone here fact check it for me or maybe offer additional input from the perspective of the conservative movement? Not being in the movement limits my perspective and knowledge. Thank you, Joe407 ( talk) 06:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Please see:
Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 08:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Complex new article Mishk'vei ishah, spun off from Leviticus 18 article, that gives it a Hebrew name but relies almost entirely on modern scholarship, needs input. See talk page there. IZAK ( talk) 16:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, Over the past half a year I've been making an effort to improve a lot of the articles about yeshivot. I've seen many of them that burn 3 paragraphs or more explaining what is a standard yeshiva curriculum and daily routine. And they all act as if they are the WP article about Yeshivas. Should I leave Carteret_Yeshiva or Mesoras Mordechai (just examples) as is with it's lengthy descriptions of yeshiva life and yeshiva learning or should these be cut down to "Hey! This is a yeshiva!" and let people click on the wiki-link? Joe407 ( talk) 04:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Update: This edit is an experiment in reducing the need for every yeshiva to reiterate the same curriculum as every other yeshiva. I put in a link to the main article, Yeshiva, for those who want to read more. I am doing this in the hope that it will force people writing about yeshivos to focus on the notability and uniqueness of each yeshiva and not just fill up space or use WP to advertise their institution.
Please offer any thoughts or comments on this effort and any suggestions or help towards improvement would be great. Joe407 ( talk) 06:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I added a RFC at the WP:RS noticeboard for YWN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#YeshivaWorldNews Yossiea (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone who knows the topic carry out the merge of Bedikah cloth into Niddah? Ta. Fences& Windows 01:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
An RfC regarding which archaeological categories the Second Temple should fall under is currently underway here. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 10:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see if we can achieve a consensus as to primary, secondary, and tertiary reliable sources, and update the manual of style accordingly.
Acccording to
WP:PRIMARY, any "religious scripture" is a primary source. I would like to exclude from
wp:Judaism comparisons between Judaism and other religions. I also believe that the trunk that units the branches of Judaism is the
tanach.
Secondary sources rely for their facts and opinions on reliable primary sources, often to make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims.
Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources if they have been published by a reliable secondary source.
Tertiary sources are publications such as encyclopedias or other
compendia that mainly summarize secondary sources. For example, Wikipedia itself is a tertiary source. Tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources.
WP:Verifiability#Reliable sources describes the criteria for assessing the reliability of sources. Articles and posts on Wikipedia, or on
websites that mirror its content, may not be used as sources.
Appropriate sourcing can be a complicated issue, and these are general rules. Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are more suitable on any given occasion is a matter of
common sense and good editorial judgment, and should be discussed on article talk pages. —Preceding
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At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible#Suggest an article for Tubalcain (currently a disambig) it has been suggested that Tubalcain be given his own article. I have to agree that based on what little I know of the subject that there seems to be enough material to start one, including the speculation that he might simply be Cain under another name. I am currently adding what information I can readily find to the his entry in List of minor Biblical figures#Tubalcain, but would appreciate any help or input on the subject. John Carter ( talk) 16:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
This article came up at DYK, but we'd like to have some people more versed in Jewish matters have a look at it. The article relies on the Jewish Encyclopedia, which is quite a bit out of date, and on primary sources. In addition, I think the title doesn't accurately reflect the subject matter. Ucucha 00:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Newmanyb ( talk · contribs) is editing numerous articles. Now I understand why he is changing 'Old Testament' to Hebrew Bible', but he is also changing 'Genesis' to Hebrew Bible, changing quotes (eg Lord to YHWH when the cited source says Lord), etc. I've asked him to use edit summaries but he's ignored that and continued editing. Could someone please take a look at his edits and see if they see a problem or if I'm just misunderstanding what he's doing (although he still needs to use edit summaries). Thanks. I'll notify him of this discussion. Dougweller ( talk) 09:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Our article on Nefesh B'Nefesh (organization that encourages Jewish people from North America and the United Kingdom to emigrate to Israel) could use attention from Project members. It contains a lot of content that seems dangerously close to adspam, and should probably be somewhat re-organized (for example, it has separate section headings for many different aspects of the organization which should probably be combined or omitted unless the article becomes rather larger). Thanks. -- Writtenonsand ( talk) 15:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
There appears to be some whitewashing going on. -- Avi ( talk) 18:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A user is going through Dov Hikind and other related persons adding a charge of censorship for having American Express revoke the merchant agreement of David Irving, and going to David Irving's page and adding a "victim" of censorship blurb. Yossiea (talk) 14:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there a need for a template for articles whose titles indicate that they are discussing "Judaism's view" on a topic but are primarily based on secular sources? Something along the lines of "This article represents the secular Jewish view and may not accurately represent the traditional Jewish view"? I am concerned that many people may be coming to wikipedia to understand the traditional point of view and that is often missing or not accurately represented, in my opinion. Thoughts? -- Avi ( talk) 17:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A template isn't necessary as long as sections are properly headed "Academic" or the like; the key here is to properly represent what is in the article. -- Avi ( talk) 20:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
There are articles, the Kabbalah article is the example I know best, where the traditional and academic views are mixed together in a way that makes things very confusing. I was never able to think of a good way to separate the two, but it would help if such a way to separate them could be found. 173.52.187.133 ( talk) 23:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
FYI, Category:Wikipedia Loves Art at the Jewish Museum (New_York). Please help integrate these new images into Wikipedia articles. Thanks. Kaldari ( talk) 17:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Please review. It seems unfinished and otherwise not sure if it refers to a specific or general framework. -- Shuki ( talk) 23:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conjugal obligations and rights in Judaism, more POV-pushing by User Newman Luke ( talk · contribs) depicting Judaism in negative lights. IZAK ( talk) 08:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Seems that User Newman Luke ( talk · contribs) cannot let go as he institutes a "deletion review." Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 November 30#Mishk'vei ishah. (Original AfD result was to Delete, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mishk'vei ishah.) IZAK ( talk) 09:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I am becoming very concerned about this user's edits. They seem to consistently have personal opinion/research woven into them and they substitute accepted traditional sources with non-traditional ones when explaining the traditions themselves without clarifying the difference. I will inform the user of this note, but I believe that the user may have an ulterior motive in his or her edits, and they bear watching. I am still uncertain if an RfC is called for, but I would like the opinions of other people who spend a lot of time on Judaism articles. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 03:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Newman, when will you stop personlizing the discussions and deal with the real issues at hand which is your clearly-stated intention to totally obliterate any views you don't like, particularly if you suspect they may be coming from an "Orthodox" perspective as you have made abundantly clear again and again on your talk page and elsewhere, as an example please review User talk:Newman Luke#What do you mean by this? and more. Thanks. IZAK ( talk) 05:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#User talk:Newman Luke/Editnotice. -- Avi ( talk) 15:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I am growing concerned that this user is utterly unwilling to obey WP:NPOV, by insidiously attempting to attack anyone who upholds it, if by doing so it fails to censor things that Avraham finds uncomfortable. I believe that the user may have an ulterior motive in his or her edits, and they bear watching. I am still uncertain if an RfC is called for, but I would like the opinions of other people who spend a lot of time on Judaism articles. Thank you. Newman Luke ( talk) 05:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I just moved a bunch of images to Commons, and one of them was a photo of an unknown symbol in Pittsburgh's Hill District. The uploader was unsure of its meaning and speculated that it was a Jewish symbol, possibly some for of the Star of David. I'm not convinced. Is anyone here familiar with this symbol?-- Blargh29 ( talk) 06:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Before someone gets themselves blocked for a really stupid edit war, I'd appreciate some calm and well-considered discussion at Talk:Kosher_salt#Page_move_warring. -- Dweller ( talk) 13:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a new article about the Synod of Mainz (Jewish) in 1233, by User Newman Luke ( talk · contribs). Particulalrly bothersome is the concern that it may well be that the sole purpose this article was posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia is because it contians a Takkana that was supposedly stated at the height of the murderous Christian Crusades (to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291) that requests "that no Jew should show bad faith toward a Christian, nor be guilty of counterfeiting" that from experience with User Newman Luke, he may twist it around and then falsely allege that "aha, you see, Jews were showing 'bad faith' to Christians" with no word of the historical context and climate of fear and danger at the time that this was at a time in history when Jews were being mercilessly killed by the tens of thousands by marrauding Crusaders. Would it be possible to review it in order to ensure that it adheres to both the views of Judaism and to WP:NPOV of history. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 04:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Requesting an article assessment for the Zealot Temple Siege article. Thank you. Noraft ( talk) 10:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Something to be concerned about: Please take a look at this User:Hayesgenius, a twelve year old Chabad-Lubavitch child editor on Wikipedia, in his edit history [23] he leaves information about who he is and what he's doing in violation of WP:NOTMYSPACE for a start. Looks like a troubling development. In your professional opinions and as a Wikipedians do you think it's safe and correct and SANE for kids to get involved like this, even post their personal pics in violation of WP:NOTFACEBOOK? Will Chabad now send even 12 year olds to the Wikipedia "front lines" because many of them are online so much? This needs some guidance and guidelines. Please take a look. IZAK ( talk) 03:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Malik, there is no battle and he is certainly not an enemy. I have not addressed any comments to him, I am seeking consensus from ADULTS who should show responsibility. This is a kid, nothing to do with the topic of Chabad. Does Wikipedia need his pre-Bar-Mitzva photo uploaded at File:Sholom Myers.jpg? IZAK ( talk) 04:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I have finally posted User:IZAK on WP:ANI. This post and the accusation in it, is what filled the cup for me. Debresser ( talk) 12:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the discussion immediately above this one be deleted from this page. It is irrelevant to the project, and always was, and was started here for a disruptive purpose. If this proposal is accepted, then this meta-discussion should also be deleted. -- Zsero ( talk) 16:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I just undertook a major revision of this article. However, I am not an expert, and would appreciate any more sets of eyes as are available to check my work, make suggestions, and generally contribute. Many thanks, Kaisershatner ( talk) 17:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Kaiser: Thanks for the list of all the areas you have edited next time I look them up. I don't have limitless time in any case. It is frightening to think that people will undertake to seriously edit subjects that they brazenly admit right here in public that they are not experts in. For example, how do you know when you deal with a concept that may not have a direct quote in an article and you decide to cut it out or re-arrange it that it may indeed be one of the most central and key ones in that article awaiting a source to be written in but in the meantime it's 100% valid and reliable without any citation or source inserted yet? This is like saying, that being handed all the tools of surgery and being dressed up like a surgeon, but lacking a medical school background, you would still undertake surgery, prescribe medication and "heal" the sick. I dunno, I would never do it, but I guess you would if you had the interest even though you lacked your own self-admitted "expertise" (and remember, it was you who came here openly declaring that you are "not an expert" but you were going to edit the Zohar article of all things -- so what did you expect? a medal or to get some rational guidance?) But I suppose given that we have many alert experienced and knowledgeable editors, if you had done any major damage some of them would have picked it up by now or is everyone asleep? Happy Chanuka to one and all! IZAK ( talk) 02:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Side note: IZAK - it seems quite out of character for you to rip someone a new asshole in this case. Your Dec 9th edit was IMHO uncalled for in its language. You always have good points but in the future you might want to double check how you choose to express them. Joe407 ( talk) 11:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a major problem with Ethiopian related issues. Any time scholarly evidence is presented on the sites above suggesting that there was a Hebrew and Israelite presence in Ethiopia and Arabia before 586 B.C.E. it is almost immediately censored. It is clear from the Sheba-Menelik Cycle of the Kebra Nagast that its Old Testament references pre-date the 7th century B.C.E. and the Sabaean inscriptions at Adi Kaweh, Wukro, Ethiopia (below the alleged grave site of 10th century Queen Yodit) twice specifically mention Hebrew as subjects of three queens of Sheba. In conjunction with Chaim Rabin's linguistic work [1951] suggesting that there was an ancient Hebrew presence in Asir and Hijaz, and Noldeke's shock at the antiquity of the Ethiopian word for the Ark of the Covenant plus the Sabaean origin for the word "Falasha" [Biella 2004] and the Beta Israel's word for their house of prayer [Leslau 1991] and other evidence it is unfortunate that no discussion appears to be permitted concerning the very strong probability of an ancient Hebrew/ Israelite population in pre-Babylonian captivity days in Arabia and to a lesser extent Ethiopia. Saudi Arabia and Syria have banned any books suggesting this probability. It is a pity Wikipedia editors have followed that example. Jewish interest in Ethiopian Hebraic and Israelite evidence is so disinterested that ironically it has been left to Adolph Eichmann's son to excavate Queen Yodit's alleged grave.
Ntsukunyane Mphanya 12 December 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntsukunyane Mphanya ( talk • contribs) 00:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public menorah, Thank you and a Happy Chanuka! IZAK ( talk) 04:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has a problem with a heading they can discuss it, but archiving it like this is a pre-emptive strike to shut up discussions, so I am restoring it. It is a nice joke about me not being being an admin. The answer is simple, I have never wanted to be one and never will want to be one, I am happy as an editer because being an admin involves too many other responsibilities. It is typical of pro-Chabad editors to resort to strong-arm tactics when things don't go their way and this discussion is far too important to shut-off like this especially when there are important AfDs on the go. Remember WP:NOTCENSORED, thank you. IZAK ( talk) 00:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello all, I just wanted to let any interested editors know that I'm currently involved in a major expansion of a dozen articles related to the Jewish Revolt including biographies and events.
Articles created: Zealot Temple Siege, Jesus ben Damneus Articles expanded: Ananus ben Ananus, John of Giscala, Simon Bar Giora, Phannias ben Samuel.
Additional expansion of the above articles will continue, along with addition of new articles for more of the high priests, and other figures/events I may uncover.
That said, I could use some help. If someone can add in the Hebrew-alphabet names of those who do not have them, that would be great, as well as add in any other information that will fill these articles out. I'm adding infoboxes, succession boxes, and references as I go so that the pages will be of encyclopedic quality (although the stubs will still need more content). Thanks in advance for your help. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 08:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tefillin campaign. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 08:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has a problem with a heading they can discuss it, but archiving it like this is a pre-emptive strike to shut up discussions, so I am restoring it. It is typical of pro-Chabad editors to resort to strong-arm tactics when things don't go their way and this discussion is far too important to shut-off like this especially when there are important AfDs on the go. Remember WP:NOTCENSORED, thank you. IZAK ( talk) 00:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow. I didn't realize what a can of worms I'd open up when I AFD'd "Public Menorah". I see that the gamut of Chabad related articles are being reviewed and revised.
Part of the power of the Wikipedia community is that all voices can be heard. I'd just like to remind everyone that we will all gain by using reasoned and rational voices and being polite while we disagree. And may the best logic and adherence to WP policy win. Joe407 ( talk) 16:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The correct terms for the Jewish canon of works is Torah for the 5 books of Moses (Chumash), plus Prophets (Nevi'im) plus Writings (Ketuvim). The three are collectively known by the acronym "Tanackh". The term "Old Testament" is a derogatory description used by and invented by the Christian movement. It Infers that the Jewish holy works is replaced by a new testament, because the new Christian religion replaces the old Jewish religion. This is called "supercessionism", whereby one movement supersedes and replaces an old one. The same tactic is used by Islam, where it is claimed that Islam replaces both Judaism and Christianity. Historygypsy ( talk) 23:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Almost every post above consists of two parts, talk about the articles and ad hominun attacks about the authors. Unless you know enough about an editor to write a biographic article, don't mention him or her at all. Rebele | Talk The only way to win the game is to not play the game. 03:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Peace. :) Debresser ( talk) 23:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Certainly it is better to "Focus on the encyclopedia, and not on the editors." In my view, most of the discussion focusing on editors has been the unsupported (and probably unsupportable) accusations against one editor for WP:PA and for Lashon Hara. I wish that would stop. 173.52.187.133 ( talk) 13:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see and add your views at:
and at:
Every minor Chabad house does not deserve it's own article. May as well start a series about the thousands of shtiebels in the world that usually far outnumber Chabad houses in size and membership but who neither strive for nor get Wikipedia articles of their own. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 14:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
He has been warned User talk:Beis Din, but still reverts edits [26]. Where is the right place to report this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shmaltz ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Biblical disambiguators. Thank you!
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IPs are adding classic WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, and unsourced personal editorializing to the article again. Can an eye be kept on it so that additions are 1) sourced and 2) the sources directly refer to the book, and not something tangential which would be a WP:SYNTH violation. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 07:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Greetings. Please make a note of my new proposal at Talk:Jewish Polish history during the 20th century#Requested move. Thanks. -- Poeticbent talk 20:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Please forgive my ignorance and I do feel a bit ridiculous double-checking on this, but I don't want to change something I don't understand fully, especially when it concerns a religion other than my own. In the Shammai article, I found the following under the See also heading:
Kfar Shamai, wehweh to the max moshav in Israel
The middle part of that has got to be wrong, but how far does the vandalism extend?
I request that someone more knowledgeable fix this, not just reply here, because I am disabled with many illnesses and sometimes I have to take long breaks between editing due to fuzzy-headedness, etc. Thanks, 75.92.162.126 ( talk) 10:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Jews. Kitfoxxe ( talk) 15:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
At the moment Jewish seminary is a redirect to Beis Yaakov. This redirect is not a good thing, but only exists because of lack of an article. Obviously, the word "seminary" may refer to yeshives as well ( Rabbinical Seminary of America, Rabbinical Seminary of Budapest, Rabbinical seminary in Breslau, Rabbinical Seminary International). Moreover, Beis Yaakov is a well-know and widespread girls seminary, but it is by no means the only girls seminary. Debresser ( talk) 19:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Jewish seminary is now a regular disambiguation page. What was all the fuss about? IZAK ( talk) 13:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I've nominated a fact in the newly created article Origins of Judaism for DYK. See Template talk:Did you know#Origins of Judaism. Please let me know what you think of the nom. Thanks, AFriedman (talk) 21:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
A WP:COI complaint and discussion concerning User Yehoishophot Oliver ( talk · contribs) has started at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver. Kindly add your comments. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 03:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The WP:COI complaint of pro-Chabad POV editing and violations of WP:OWN in Chabad-related articles against Users Yehoishophot Oliver ( talk · contribs) and Shlomke ( talk · contribs) and Zsero ( talk · contribs) and Debresser ( talk · contribs), is now in its final stages as admins review it. The debate and discussions have expanded greatly since their start. If any outside party still wishes to add their comments and observations, now is the time. New sections have been added at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 06:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Likewise if any outside party wishes to add their comments regarding IZAK ( talk · contribs)'s editing, tone POV etc., now is the time to add them in at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Yehoishophot Oliver.
I thought I would notify you here that I am proposing a merge of these two. I will also tag for an expert, but perhaps this is a short cut to getting one. I think these two are the same person? Simeon in rabbinic literature seems to have been lifted with minimal change from the Jewish Encyclopedia. But I notice that it has been assessed to be of mid-level importance for your project, so I didn't want to go ahead with the merge without notifying you here. My only interest is that I found the "in rabbinic literature" in the backlog of articles to be wikified from December 2007 (sic). Thanks. Itsmejudith ( talk) 16:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI: Please see: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Chabad movement editors. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 11:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Howdy, The article Contemporary Jewish religious music has a section on important and influential figures. Rather than it become an edit war with everyone putting in their favorite singer or band, I've opened a discussion and would appreciate your comments and thoughts at: Talk:Contemporary_Jewish_religious_music#Important_figures. Thanks, Joe407 ( talk) 18:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I've created Category:Reform Jews, having noticed that corresponding Categories representing most of the other major movements already seem to exist. Many of the most notable and accomplished Jewish people have affiliated with the Reform movement, and I think it's important to create a Category that shows this. I'm able to find information about which individuals belong in this Category in lists of notable people affiliated with specific Reform synagogues. Does anyone else want to help out with this? To me, this Category seems like important information. -- AFriedman (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Please see:: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yahweh and Allah. Borock ( talk) 07:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Eyes requested on The Thirteenth Tribe; well-poisoning and citation removals by the same user is happening again. -- Avi ( talk) 17:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Please add the Shechita article to the project's watchlist. Dosbears ( talk) 00:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Another editor and I have concerns about the lack of sourcing in the article on Yisrael Mendel Kaplan. Could anybody comment on this at Talk:Yisrael Mendel Kaplan? Abductive ( reasoning) 17:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)