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I'll be sad to see the Oireachtas template for Jack Chambers (politician) go. I spent so much time on it, and all the TDS in that constituency, in an attempt to make BHG's solution work. Despite BHG's promises in the above debate, the attempt was futile. No other editor went to the bother of trying to make the unworkable workable. But the fiction had to be maintained. Until it could no longer be maintained. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 11:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Oireachtas template{{ s-par/ie/oi}} is only a header. It doesn't make the succession boxes. 7 years and 4 months after I pointed that out [1] at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 March 3#Template:S-par/ie/oi, LL still doesn't get that basic point.
if Laurel Lodged has nothing constructive to add then perhaps they should bow out of the discussion. That was wise advice, because it is clear that LL does indeed have nothing constructive to add.
nutters, [2] LL's latest post above of at 11:18 today [3] is yet more snark which does nothing to assist the collaborative solution-building by other editors. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:11, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
nobody else did same for any other TDis just a guess asserted as if it was fact.
The sheer ugliness of the solution. [4] Yet today LL wrote
!I'll be sad to see the Oireachtas template for Jack Chambers (politician) go
Hi all, I'd love to get a few more people involved in reviewing an article with declared COI on the Outhouse LGBTQ+ Centre. Would anyone be willing to take a look? Thanks! Smirkybec ( talk) 09:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
There are currently 24 navboxes for by-elections to Dáil Éireann. I have proposed merging all of them to one new navbox.
The discussion is at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 July 20#Dáil_by-election_navboxes. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Earlier today, in the latest release of the 2022 census, the CSO published the population of 867 towns, or what it now defines as built-up areas (BUAs). They're available at table F1015 from the Data section of the CSO. We can begin adding this population to articles for each town and village in this list, as well as articles such as List of urban areas in the Republic of Ireland by population. I'd recommend including a link to the current census page anywhere we add the new figures, i.e. (as of 2022 census). That way, when we're doing the same in 2028, we can easily find any pages that use the 2022 figures. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 13:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
A few months ago, I proposed a reorganisation/merger of specific constituencies, being those related to Kerry North–West Limerick (Dáil constituency) and Limerick (Dáil constituency). I did notify the this WT:IE discussion page, as it was not my intention to be disruptive or to make a series of edits that might be controversial and end up being reverted. There was no response on this page, and after waiting the customary week, I implemented the change. I later proposed the same for Dublin South-East (Dáil constituency). Although I didn't notify this discussion page on that second occasion, I did wait the customary week after the proposal. However, I may have been over-eager in making changes throughout other pages; for good reasons of WP:NOTBROKEN, I should not have changed the underlying link on pages where the modern name was not used, i.e., I should not have edited it read [[Dublin Bay South (Dáil constituency)|Dublin South-East]] on Garret FitzGerald's page. Whatever the decision here, I will revert those particular edits.
That said, on the Talk:Dublin Bay South (Dáil constituency) page, BrownHairedGirl has argued that these changes should be reverted. For that reason, I'll make the case generally.
From a process point of view, although I had planned to make more than one of these sets of changes, I didn't propose all these at the same time, as I supposed that the strength of the argument might differ between one instance and another. That said, it is worth having the general discussion now that an objection has been raised. If the consensus is to revert to the status quo ante, I will be as helpful as time allows in reverting my own changes, both to the constituency pages and any other affected pages. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 15:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
BHG:17-year status quo of a one-to-one relationship between name and article, which was agreed in 2006 for both the UK and Ireland
IG:I'll note that the pages in question post-date the discussion in 2006. I don't think the discussion then need stand for all time
Kerry North tangent
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On Kerry North, the problem is that the current 2016-onwards
Kerry constituency is a maxed out at 5 seats, but needs another one due to population growth. The only ways of doing that are either to a) split Kerry, or b) to cede part of Kerrry to to a Cork or Limerick contituency.
Kerry voters in a Cork constituency would cause uproar, and the alternative of putting Tralee and the Dingle Peninsula in Limerick would be little less contentious. That famous 2016 Sligo–Leitrim vote spoiled with "I live in Cavan" would be nothing on the fury in The Kingdom. It's even possible that the two brother TDs might feel goaded out of their usual sunny and placid "que sera" demeanour ![]() If I'm wrong, I will owe Iveagh Gardens a barnstar. |
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Input sought on a possible big cleanup of a widespread minor issue: breaches of MOS:IMOS COUNTIES.
For the last ~7 weeks, I have been working intensively on categorising Irish biographical articles. So far, I have made tens of thousands of edits in that ongoing task. (That's by way of background. If anyone wants to discuss that work, I'd be very happy to do so, but please start a separate thread).
Along the way, I have been mildly irritated to find that a significant minority of those pages use the abbreviated form of the word "County", e.g. "Co. Offaly" instead of "County Offaly". Sometimes it's unlinked, but more often it's linked, usually in the piped form e.g. [[County Antrim|Co. Antrim]]
, or sometimes using a redirect such as [[Co. Kildare]]
.
This is deprecated by
MOS:IMOS COUNTIES, for good reason. It is unclear to many readers, and the abbreviation saves only 3 chararacters in the rendered text. The loss of clarity hugely outweighs the tiny gain. And when the piped form is used, it adds unhelpful verbosity to the wikitext: [[County Fermanagh|Co. Fermanagh]]
adds 14 chararacters to display
Co. Fermanagh instead of the clearer
County Fermanagh.
(Please note that I do not mean any reproach to the editors who added these abbreviations. I AGF that they were unaware of MOS:IMOS COUNTIES, and I can see that in many cases the sources use the abbreviated form).
After a few manual fixes (e.g. [9]) I eventually thought that manual cleanup woukd be tediously slow, but maybe I could tackle this at scale using WP:AWB. Some tests showed that my regex was basically sound, at least in simple cases such as this one which I actually saved. [10]
So I made some lists using WP:Petscan: All articles tagged with {{ WikiProject Ireland}}, {{ WikiProject Northern Ireland}}, {{ WikiProject Gaelic games}}; all articles which link to any of the 32 traditional counties, whether as "County Foo", "Co. Foo" or "Co Foo"; all categories for Irish people by place or by ocupation.
That gave me a list of 94,695 unique article titles. For technical reasons, I used a crude filter as a first pass. That left me with a list of 6,111 articles which use "Co. Foo" or "Co Foo" somewhere in the wikitext.
This 6.5% hit rate is a lot higher than I had expected. (I had reassured myself that I had probably been encontering unrepresentative clusters, so I hoped for <1% in a wider trawl).
However, it includes a lot of false positives, e.g. where the "Co. Foo" abbreviation is used
<ref> .. </ref>
tags, usually as the title of the cited work, orTypes 2 and 3 are easy to code for. My next rounds of filtering will skip them, and hopefully make a big reduction in the numbers. (I don't yet have an estimate of how big).
The quotes are hard to reliably detect in software, so I will just have to watch for them as I review each edit.
The feedback I am looking for is where my approach is sound. There may be concerns in principle, and if so, I'd like to hear them. But my main uncertainty is whether I am right in my selection of which uses of the "Co. Foo" abbreviation to replace. My overall principle is that MOS:IMOS COUNTIES should be applied only to the text originated by Wikpedia editors, whether that's in body text or an infobox. How does that sound? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Some examples:
Article | Issue | Proposed action |
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1521 in Ireland | "Co. Dublin" in two inline refs | No change |
Greyhound (1747 ship) | "Co. Sligo" in title of external link | No change |
1539 in Ireland, and Young Social Innovators |
multiple "Co. Foo" in bodytext | "Co. Foo" → "County Foo" |
A42 road (Northern Ireland) | "Co. Antrim" in image caption | "Co. Antrim" → "County Antrim" |
A. Martin Freeman | [[Co. Cork]] linked in bodytext |
[[Co. Cork]] → [[County Cork]]
|
Storm Eva | [[County Mayo|Co. Mayo]] pipe-linked in bodytext |
[[County Mayo|Co. Mayo]] → [[County Mayo]]
|
Young Farmers' Clubs of Ulster | multiple, linked "Co. Foo" in table headers | "Co. Foo" → "County Foo" |
Hope this clarifies what I intend. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
anything that isn't a direct quoteis a good summary of my understanding of the suitable scope of cleanup. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
BHG's regex
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\bco(\. *| +)\s*(Antrim|Armagh|Carlow|Cavan|Clare|Cork|Derry|Donegal|Down|Dublin|Fermanagh|Galway|Kerry|Kildare|Kilkenny|Laois|Leitrim|Limerick|Londonderry|Longford|Louth|Mayo|Meath|Monaghan|Offaly|Roscommon|Sligo|Tipperary|Tyrone|Waterford|Westmeath|Wexford|Wicklow)\b |
<ref> ... </ref>
tags, leaving me with 2,559 articles (down from 6,111 articles on the first pass).I have now processed the first 102 articles on my list of 2,260. As usual with a big task like this, most of the cases are straightforward, but there are unforeseen issues which it might be useful to note. Of those 102 articles, I did "Co. Foo" → "County Foo" edits on 93 of them, (see the contribs list)
Issues:
birth_place = [[Rathmullan]], [[County Donegal]], [[Ireland]], [[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland|UK]]
. Technically correct, 'cos in 1831 Ireland was indeed part of the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland; but it feels a bit OTT to me. Does IMOS say anything on this?[[County Waterford]] and on 24 April 2020 at Club Ceol Aislann in [[Kilcar|Cill Chartha]], [[County Donegal|Co. Dún na nGall]]
, 'cos my AWB job isn't set op to handle Irish-language county names. Apart from the disparity of one county name being in English and the other in Irish. I thought that in the English-language Wikipedia we use the the English-language county names. What does IMOS say?[[Donaghmore Ashbourne GAA|County Meath]]
. Whaaaaaat?Queen's Co. Cork
. I dunno what that means.[[Ballina, County Mayo]]
):
[[Ballina, County Mayo|Ballina]], [[County Mayo]]
feels in most cases like overlinking.[[Ballina, County Mayo|Ballina]], Ireland
. iif it's appropriate to include the country name, then the county should not be removed.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
15:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
This morning, I finally finished this job. I estimate that I did MOS:IMOS COUNTIES fixes to about 1,900 pages.
The precise tally is hard to track, because: a) some pages were fixed by browser edits, rather than using AWB; and b) about 25–35 edits were reverted as false positives, where I erroneously changed the usage in a quote or in the name of an image file. Many thanks to the editors who spotted my errors, and kindly reverted them.
Along the way, I probably wrongly skipped a few pages which should have been fixed, but I am confident that such errors were also in the 1–2% range.
Anyway, the result is a big dent in the number of pages with "Co. Foo" or "Co Foo" displayed anywhere other than in quotes or appendices (refs, works, sources etc). I hope that this will also help to avoid future editors using the abbreviation after seeing it used in elsewhere on Wikipedia, and thinking that it is OK.
This also marks the last non-trivial task on Wikipedia which I undertake as I semi-retire from Wikipedia after 17 years. Many thanks to all the woderful Irish editors with whom I have enjoyed collaborating over the years. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, anybody hanging around willing to "dig" in Tim Hannan, using the pseudonym Rambling Thady? Since only people with an article should be mentionned, and looking for some information on Tim Hannan, I came across : ...and at school he'd tell us the stories he had heard the night before from Jim Connolly ; one of these was the story of Seadna in English... Thank you so much for your time. Lotje ( talk) 05:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Prompted by the discussion above on organisation of constituency articles, can we also look at the {{s-par|ie/oi}} template used in articles for TDs or people who were TDs. (ACtually, this also applies to MEPs and councillors!)
We have multi-seat constituencies, yet many politicians' biographical articles, using the parliamentary succession template, suggest that Bob replaced Alice, as if there was only one seat up for grabs, or that Ted inherited the Whatever Party seat from Alice. Technically, this might be the case where there was a by-election (especially given the feudal nature of Irish politics!), but it is the exception rather than the rule.
Usually, there are three, four or five TDs, who either get re-elected or who are replaced, individually. It is not correct to do as we're doing on - for example - the Michael Healy-Rae, Dermot Ahern, Catherine Murphy (politician) or Simon Coveney articles (where there wasn't a by-election). We should instead be doing what's on the articles for, e.g., Eamon Ryan, Jim O'Callaghan or Eoghan Murphy articles.
I am not in any way well versed in template creation or editing. Would this be best achieved by amending the s-par template? Or coming up with an entirely new template, for Irish Dáil, European and council elections? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the goodsounds like a wise summary.
After a lot of jigglig around (and temporarily breaking some constituency articles along the way), I seem to have got an elgant solution to the creation of navboxes for TDs of each consituency. More elegant than I thought possible.
My stretch goals were:
I think I have succeeded: the {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}} meets all but one of those stretch goals. (It needs one parameter: the name of the constituency).
Here's how it works:
For any given article
Foo (Dáil constituency), create a page named
Template:Foo (Dáil constituency)/TDs. The contents of that page should be simply {{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|Foo}}
I have made one for
Kildare South (Dáil constituency): see {{
Kildare South (Dáil constituency)/TDs}}, whose content is {{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|Kildare South (Dáil constituency)}}
Here's its output:
It needs polishing: documentation, better error messages, and categorisation. But those are the easy bit. If y'all like the functionality I'll start polishing.
@ Bastun, Iveagh Gardens, and Spleodrach:: how does this look to you? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
{{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|{{Subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}
{{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|{{Subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}
into
Denise Mitchell, I get errors, as you can see
here. What am I doing wrong?
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!
20:53, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
After a day spent polishing {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}}, I think that is now nearly ready for use, but would of course welcome criticisms and/or suggestions.
I have added intensive error-checking (with a tracking category), full documentation, and polished the output. To reduce clutter, the navbox now strips out the table headers, they key of parties, and all refs. The result is a much more compact navbox.
The navboxes created so far are:
... and three more to test edge cases
{{ Kerry (Dáil constituency)/TDs}} is an interesting case because it has had three incarnations, and I was concerned that it might become very bulky. However, after stripping layers of fluff, it is now not bad. I struggled with how to remove the level 3 headers which sat between the tables (and added annoying edit links), but a question at Module talk:String#How_to_do_string.replace_of_level3_headers_in_transcluded_wikitext brought prompt help from @ Pppery and Trappist the monk: many thanks to both for guiding me to this fix.
{{ Wexford (Dáil constituency)/TDs}} is the longest single table we will find on any constituency. It covers 32 general elections and 3 by-elections, making a total of 35 rows. I think it has turned out quite well: it takes up almost two screnfuls on my full-HD laptop display, but that's unavoidable.
The 9-seat {{ Dublin City North (Dáil constituency)/TDs}} is problematic: on my laptop, using the new Vector 2022 skin with its reduced idth for the article, the navbox is far too wide. As of now, I think it would be disruptive to any article (see my test on Margaret Collins-O'Driscoll). I need to figure out how to constrain its width.
And that's it for now. That width issue on Dublin City North is the only remaining item on my to-do list.
If @ Bastun, Iveagh Gardens, and Spleodrach still have any patience left to do more testing, I'd welcome more feedback, esp on unusual cases. No hurry; I won't take this any further until the weekend.
@ Iveagh Gardens: You may have a particular interest in item 3 of Template:Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox#Assumptions about the one-to-one relationship between the name of a constituency and the name of the correspondig Wikipdia article, as wdiscuused above at #Organisation_of_constituencies. It's an unavoidable constraint of this automated approach to building the navboxes, but I don't want you think that I was trying to slip that past you.
Thanks again. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Arguably, they are such different sets of TDs as to not being closely related as articles.
With the major technical glitches in {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}} resolved, rollout has been proceeding fast. Of the 1,344 articles on TDs, over 400 now have a navbox built with {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}}, and that doesn't include {{ Dublin University (constituency)/TDs}} + {{ National University of Ireland (constituency)/TDs}}, which I had to build using slightly different means 'cos their different name format is incompatible with the metatemplate.
Use of the navboxes built with {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}} is tracked at:
I see that Bastun has been hard at work today, and Spleodrach has been prolific. Iveagh Gardens is busy off-wiki, but I have using AWB to chomp through some constituencies. At this high rate of productivity, we might get the whole job done within a week. Great work!
I have a few questions on followup issues, which I will post as separate comments, to facilitate any threaded discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
So, nesting the constituency navbox inside a "'person' navigation boxes", as, for example, at Frank Aiken? I presume yes? I'm working away slowly on adding the template, and removing the s-par template where it's been incomplete. I see others are removing it in all cases for the constituency and leaving any offices held, I'll start doing that too. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:29, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Louth (Dáil constituency)/TDs, which is not wide. And as above, the issue has now been resolved.
|name=
parameter of {{
Irish TD table TD with party link}}, rather than in the |refs=
parameter.Note I'm going to be very busy today through Wednesday (and probably still doing catch-up until Friday) so won't have too much time to devote to Wiki until then. Just wondering, what's the most efficient way of doing this? Like, is the best way to start with a constituency template, open the links, and go through one-by-one; or is there a category or list I could be using, creating templates as I come across one that hasn't yet been made? (Once the template is made, it's really quick to apply to everyone in a constituency, I am in awe of the speed difference between this method and writing an s-par template 'manually'!) Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
the most efficient way of doing thisdepends mostly on what tools and modes of working you are comfortable with, so my suggestions may or may not help anyone else. But here they are, FWIW.
{{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|{{Subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}
, and save.My checklist at User:BrownHairedGirl/Dáil constituency navboxes shows that all the navboxes now exist.
All TDs from the Second Dáil onwards should have at least one of these navboxes. I have done two WP:Petscan searches to check whether that is so. Note that the searches cannot tell whether a TD has the full set of navboxes needed if the were elected for more than one constituency.
Opening those links, will give the current live lists and tallies, subject to some technical tag which can vary from milliseconds to hours. In the last few days, the lag has been almost zero, but that cannot be relied on.
These two totals add up to 1,331. But my other searches suggest that the total should add up to 1,343 or 1,344. Some day I will try to figure out why there is a mismatch. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I have done some final polishing to the TD navboxes.
Part of it was removing excess whitespace, which is a bit finnicky to achieve, but reduces visual bulk.
The more significant part was tweaking the {{ Irish TD table begin}} series of templates so that when used in a navbox they link only to the TDs and to successor constituencies. This is per the principle that a navbox is a tool for navigation, not for explanation. So, like a road sign: it should point only to the primary relevant destinations, and not to places which are unrelated to the immediate navigational choice. For navigation, less is more.
So in these navboxes, there is now no link to the elections, to the nth Dáil, or to the political parties. But those items are all still linked in the constituency articles.
Or rather, that's how it should be. @ Spleodrach: has just posted to my talk abut a related glitch (probs with the suprression of refs in navboxes), which I will try to resolve. But @ Bastun and Iveagh Gardens:, please also gimme a poke if you spot any issues. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:59, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
This thread started with @ Bastun's observations about the lack of progress on making complete succession boxes. We solved the navigation problems by creating and deploying navboxes. However, many succession boxes remain.
I think that this where we got to:
@ Bastun, Iveagh Gardens, and Spleodrach:: how does this sound to you? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:46, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Today I found myself at the article Michael O'Brien (Fianna Fáil politician), whilst populating Category:Fianna Fáil local councillors.
O'Brien was a Mayor of Clonmel in the 1990s, but he is notable almost entirely for his work as an advocate for survivors of the industrial schools. His own account on Questions and Answers of his abuse at St Joseph's Industrial School, Clonmel (aka Ferryhouse) made him a household name.
However, he is not in any categories relating either to his campaigning or to his own experiences. We may have some categories for O'Brien's activism, but what his time in the industrial school? It's clearly a WP:DEFINING attribute, so we should categorise by that attribute; but Category:Industrial schools in the Republic of Ireland has no subcats. The conventional title for people-by-school categories is "People educated at", but that word "educated" feels deeply misleading for institutions which were called "schools" but were in the theory of their creators youth detention centers for children who had usually committed no offence (other than being poor and/or having lost a parent) and in practice these places were centres of rape and brutality.
So ... any thoughts on a neutral title for a category for survivors of an Industrial school (Ireland)?
My best idea so far is to use the word "detained", which seems to be a neutral description of why children were in industrial schools. That would give us Category:People detained at industrial schools in the Republic of Ireland, with subcats for individual schools where the number allow: e.g. Category:People detained at St Joseph's Industrial School, Clonmel.
How does that sound? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Spleodrach and SeoR: I have created [41] Category:People detained at industrial schools in the Republic of Ireland, and found 12 articles to populate it. (Live count: 12)
So far, I have not found enough enough articles to justify creating any subcats. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
There's an inconsistency in how articles for certain municipal elections are named, e.g. 1920 Dublin Corporation election but 1999 Dublin City Council election, both elected under the same Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898. I've started a discussion at Talk:1960 Cork City Council election. Although I proposed moving article titles to Year City Corporation election, my only strong view is that they should be consistent, and I could be persuaded that a consistency of City Council or Borough Council may be preferable. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 06:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Is User:Sarahallen2156 a single-purpose account dedicated to airbrushing Noel Kelly's links to the RTÉ payment scandal? Contribs suggests this. They're not doing anything else...
Don't know how this is normally dealt with - if blocked will they come back with a different name? Should someone watch Noel Kelly for anything like this in future? -- Rydíaz ( talk) 23:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Your input would be welcomed regarding the pronunciation of Donegal (town) which was recently changed: Talk:Donegal (town)#Pronounciation. -- AFBorchert ( talk) 12:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I've just written an article on
William Sharpington, a lettering artist and monument designer and I'm prepping it for DYK. I've found that he designed a
really beautiful monument to
Edith Somerville and
Violet Florence Martin in Saint Barrahane's Church,
Castletownshend. (It's really quite something, gold leaf, coat of arms, the lot, and I think it's got to be about his best surviving work.) Unfortunately I haven't found a freely licensed photo on Flickr and there's no pictures of the interior in the
Wikimedia Commons category. As it's not practical for me to get to in the DYK timeframe I wondered if anyone knows a freely licensed photo of it, or happens to live round the corner?
Otherwise I'm thinking about contacting the church and asking if they'd be willing to upload a photograph and say I'd be happy to make a donation.
Blythwood (
talk)
15:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:1960 Cork City Council election#Requested move 17 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Usernamekiran_(AWB) ( talk) 21:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Just dropping a line to notify that Category:Celtic nations has been nominated for deletion, which seems to me to be a bit odd. Comments welcome on the CfD page -- Tóraí ( talk) 18:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Irish nationalism until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
Kpratter ( talk) 07:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.
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Grnrchst ( talk) 13:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)The CSO published an updated local statistics mapping app with options to zoom into towns, electoral divisions, local authority areas, etc. I'd suggest that where possible, the links this provides are much better that the tables published by the CSO earlier this year, as they provide direct links to the area in question, with options to expand from there to more specific demographic information. I'd suggest a line on MOS:IMOS for geographic articles, advising their use for population figures. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 10:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Could use some micro-geographically wise eyes at Talk:Athleague#Another Athleague in Ireland?. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Related matter at: Talk:Murchadh Ó Cuindlis#Location. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
What is the userbox template that says I am a member of WikiProject Ireland?
Thanks, Shadestar474 ( talk) 06:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hi all
Is there any bureaucratic reason we shouldn’t merge Feargal and Fearghal as they both have Feargal as an alternative and are essentially about the same name?
TIA Fob.schools ( talk) 21:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Readers of this page are invited to participate in two discussions about redirects relevant to this WikiProject:
Please comment in the linked discussion rather than here. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Dia Duit! Hello Everyone!
We are very happy to announce that the Celtic Knot Conference will be back for its 7th edition in the new year! We are delighted that it will be hosted in Waterford City, Ireland, in September 2024. The exact date will be announced as soon as possible.
The Celtic Knot is a conference dedicated to minoritized languages on the Wikimedia projects, including Irish. Getting back to its roots, in the Celtic languages and nations, the event gathers people from communities and languages that are underrepresented on the Wikimedia projects. It is a place where people working on growing and maintaining their communities can meet, learn from each other, and support each other on topics like community growth, technical tools, or collaboration with partners.
Celtic Knot 2024, will be an in-person event, held in Waterford, Ireland's oldest city which has an abundance of cultural heritage and history. We are currently exploring options to make conference resources (talks, panels, etc.) available to those who are unable to attend in person.
We are currently gathering input from the community to build a conference tailored to your needs: whether you attended a previous edition of the Celtic Knot or not, if you are involved in underrepresented languages on the Wikimedia Projects, please take a few minutes to fill in the community survey, and make sure to share the information with your local group. The survey is open until January 21st. Many thanks in advance!
As we are starting to build the concept and the program, we will regularly improve the existing event pages on Meta and post updates on the talk page of the event.
The core organizing team is composed of Amy O’Riordan (WCI), Sophie Fitzpatrick (WCI), Daria Cybulska (WMUK), Richard Nevell (WMUK), supported by Léa Lacroix (community engagement consultant). If you have ideas or suggestions, if you would like to get involved in the conference, feel free to contact any of us.
We’re looking forward to seeing you at the Celtic Knot!
Le dea-ghuí,
Sophie Fitzpatrick (Wikimedia Community Ireland) Cailínréalta ( talk) 11:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I have nominated Ernest Shackleton for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 16:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi - It would be great if someone could take a photo of Naas Town Hall and upload it to wikimedia commons. Many thanks, Dormskirk ( talk) 15:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Assassination of Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma to be moved to Assassination of Lord Mountbatten. Members may want to participate in the discussion here. This was notified by bot to WikiProject Irish republicanism but not to here. Scolaire ( talk) 14:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Ireland, the article Courceys is listed for your WikiProject. The article is also one of the oldest unreferenced articles on the site. If anyone would be able to trim/improve/look at the article that would be much appreciated. Tooncool64 ( talk) 07:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Whiddy Island disaster has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 ( talk) 16:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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☘️ Líon amach an suirbhé! Táimid ag ullmhú An Chomhdháil Celtic Knot 2024, beidh do chuid tuairimí an-tábhachtach dúinn chun tuiscint a fháil ar cad atá uait agus ó Mhuintir na Gaeilge agus na Gaeltachta ón gcomhdháil seo.
Is imeacht Comhdháil Celtic Knot 2024 a gcuireann béim ar theangacha a bhfuil faoi ghannionadaíocht i gcúrsaí Wikimedia Beidh Éireann mar thír óstach i mí Mean Fómhair 2024. Cailínréalta ( talk) 12:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a move discussion at Talk:Luas#Luas_or_tram? that may be of interest to members of WikiProject Ireland. Guliolopez ( talk) 12:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans#Merger discussion that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 16:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:General Certificate of Secondary Education#Requested move 30 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Demography of Belfast#Requested move 1 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Note that the editing behaviours previously raised are ongoing again. While raised at User talk:80.233.59.195 and User talk:80.233.54.102, as multiple IPs (within the same range) are involved, other editors might wish to verify whether any related changes are consistent with the applicable sources. Guliolopez ( talk) 20:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Department of Agriculture & Technical Instruction, Dublin, 1909 and see if you can identify any of the personalities depicted, or assist with transcription of the comments. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I found this when working on WP:FEB24 the February drive to eliminate/reduce the backlog of unreferenced articles. I've added a single source, PeakVisor, not 100% sure of its reliability, which has a list of 41 summits. The Wikipedia list is a set of names, some linked, many not linked, with no further information or sources. I contemplated taking it to AfD, but sourced it and moved on, changing the template from {{ unreferenced}} to {{ refimprove}}.
the Hill Bagging website (aka Database of British and Irish Hills), which I think is a WP:RS, includes Irish mountains like Kippure, but its search function doesn't seem to be working today. Some of the smaller lumps and bumps may not be included in it anyway. (Like the 36m Feltrim Hill, the smallest listed in PeakVisor.)
Someone with access to good sources (a book, perhaps?) on Irish hills and mountains might like to work this up into a more useful list, and to check that the list in {{ Mountains and hills of County Dublin}} matches the list in the article.
Over to you. Pam D 12:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I have nominated Edward I of England for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jim Killock (talk) 21:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Each bill put to a referendum has its own article. We also have pages for dates on which there is more than one referendum. See, for example, 2015 Irish constitutional referendums, with the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland (marriage equality) and the Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015 (age of eligibility for president).
Should we be following that approach with the March 2024 Irish constitutional referendums (month included in the title because of the scheduled, if not finalised, referendum on the patent court in June)? In that way, keeping detail on the wording and campaigns on the separate pages of Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023 and Fortieth Amendment of the Constitution (Care) Bill 2023. On the other hand, given how much the campaigns will have in common, it might make sense to give more of the details on the campaign and support for or opposition to the two proposals on the referendums article, rather than the separate amendment articles. Previous cases where there were two or more on related topics, such as 1968 Irish constitutional referendums or November 1992 Irish constitutional referendums give guidance, although needn't determine the approach.
Bogger, Ccferrie, Spideog and Spleodrach, who have made substantive contributions to the referendums article, might have a view one way or the other. Just seems like the kind of thing to consider at the start of the formal campaign. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 19:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Great to see a consensus, and though I had started moving in the other direction with my edits, it makes a lot of sense. Even if there is any divergence in the result or if there are some organisations calling for a split vote, it will be useful to show this together on one page. Similarly, the same with the 1992 votes, that there was a No/Yes/Yes from many groups, as well as No/No/No from others, is a useful comparison, in a way that a divergence between marriage equality and the presidential age is only trivial. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 06:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Following this discussion, I've proposed that we merge the two previous occasions we've had multiple ballots on closely related topics.
Working on combined articles for these (if agreed) should inform how we handle the results section of a combined article for the upcoming votes. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 11:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC) Spideog, Bogger, Scolaire, SeoR, Bastun, Ccferrie or Spleodrach, any thoughts on the two proposals above (corrected after I’d accidentally mixed them up!) Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 15:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Support merges: The dispersal of merger discussions across multiple article talk pages and here in WikiProject Ireland is exasperating. I suggest we centralise the discussions in one location (I prefer this location) and place notices in any relevant talk pages directing interested parties here.
It only struck me yesterday that Wikipedia treatment of Irish constitutional amendments is illogically split over two or more articles, for example, we have (Article 1) 1992 Irish constitutional referendums and then we have three more articles: (Article 2) Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 1992, (Article 3) Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland, and (Article 4) Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. This scattered treatment is offensive. The four articles should be merged into one, with redirects pointing to that one article.
If I was dictator for a day like Donald Trump's fantasy for next January, I would go on a wholesale merging binge to impose order and consistency on the mess collected in Category:Constitutional referendums in the Republic of Ireland. I don't know why it became a pattern to have, for example, 2015 Irish constitutional referendums plus Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland and Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015. The three articles should be one because atomising the discussion is both disorderly and illogical which either sends the reader to three different places for one event or risks the reader missing part of the treatment of the occasion. There is also the problem of repetition between articles.
I have read a few of these articles in the past without realising until yesterday that by reading Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland I could easily not recognise that there are two related articles: Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015 and 2015 Irish constitutional referendums.
Even if two amendments voted on, on the same day, are not related in content they are nevertheless contemporaneous events and there is obvious logic in combining them to tidy this unnecessary mess which risks making related material invisible to an unwary reader.
Merge, baby, merge. Merge the discussions we're having, then merge the articles. Spideog ( talk) 16:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
constitutional amendmentand
referendumTalk pages saying that centralised discussion is taking place (here) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Spideog ( talk) 16:35, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
2029 Irish constitutional referendumswithin which are two sections:
Amendment to permit strangling of babies at birthand
Amendment to prohibit fake tans. The results of each vote would appear in the appropriate sections within the article.
2029 Irish constitutional referendumand
Amendment to permit strangling. The lead paragraph would say two (or more) issues were voted on in the 2029 referendum then the reader could browse whichever section is of interest. This would tame the messy subject atomisation/fragmentation and sprawl and cure the problem of repetition between articles. Spideog ( talk) 17:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at Draft talk:Baron of Tirawley. I am not an expert on historical baronies or "feudal lordships", but the claims relating to the "current claimant of the Baron of Tirawley" and "current holder of the title [..] Baron of Irrus" all rely on two very recently-registered websites. Both seemingly created by the same profile(s) contributing related content to Wikipedia. And neither seemingly reliable sources. Given that my concerns could well be completely unfounded (and I'll be first to put my hand-up if that's the case), members of WikiProject Ireland (incl those with any expertise/experience in related areas) may be interested in reviewing and contributing to discussion. Guliolopez ( talk) 16:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Three debates have begun, two at Talk:Church of Ireland (founder and LQBTQ+ issues) and one at Talk:Catholic Church in Ireland (CC or RCC). Not new, especially #1 and #3, but some life in the discussion, I see. Input / perspective welcome. SeoR ( talk) 14:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm just dropping this message on all of the WikiProjects associated with The Mary Wallopers. An IP editor has been repeatedly adding a line to the article describing their musical style as Anglophobia. I have been repeatedly removing these inclusions as I do not believe the source a) is reliable enough or b) discusses the supposed Anglophobia in sufficient detail to warrant its inclusion.
There is an active Talk Page discussion which both myself and the IP editor have commented on today. I would value your input either way on this discussion as I really just want to stop edit warring with this other user. Thanks. Xx78900 ( talk) 23:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Ireland editors, I came across this generated map of Femicides occurring in Ireland between 1922 - 2022 (with References) in one of my nightly Reddit doomscrolls. I thought it may be of use or interest to your project or someone within your network. I also suggested to the original poster to consider using Wikidata or even a Wikibase instance to map and enrich their current data. Link to Google Map and Reddit Original post. I hope it is useful to you. Kind regards, Danny Benjafield (WMDE) ( talk) 14:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Iarnród Éireann#Requested move 16 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. JuniperChill ( talk) 11:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I have replaced the content of the newly-created Resignation of Leo Varadkar article with a redirect to the existing Leo Varadkar article because the subject does not justify a standalone article since it can be dealt with thoroughly in the existing Leo Varadkar article.
Should the newly-created 2024 Fine Gael leadership election article be similarly redirected to the existing Fine Gael article, for the same reason? (Pinging @ Spleodrach: in particular.) Spideog ( talk) 17:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
The page History of Fine Gael is in need of considerable review. The problems range from a complete lack of references in the earlier part, to excessive detail on recent events copied (without attribution!) from Government of the 33rd Dáil and Leo Varadkar. I’ll do my bit to look at it, but the more input from the community, the better! Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 11:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Black Irish (folklore)#Requested move 19 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 00:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Sir Charles Trevelyan, 1st Baronet has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Edmund Patrick – confer 08:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
My read of WP:NCCAPS is that we should not capitalise the word government in phrases such as "Leo Varadkar formed the 33rd government of Ireland". On this basis, I've moved the two pages currently titled in this manner to 23rd government of Ireland and 24th government of Ireland. That said, though I favour the lowercase format, if there's a consensus that the term Government in "33rd Government of Ireland" is a proper noun, and that it therefore falls under the exception to the naming convention, I'm happy to reverse the changes made thus far. So before deploying WP:AWB for all remaining relevant pages, I'm going to wait to see if there's any comment on these thus far. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 17:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I have nominated Ireland women's cricket team record by opponent for featured list. I think, it is one of the topics of interest of this wikiproject. Please join the discussion on whether this article should be promoted or not. Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat 18:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
A sound file ( File:God save Ireland.ogg) was added to God Save Ireland, and also to Irish Republic. I've deleted it from both because I think it is a very bad rendering of the song. Can I ask people to add their opinion at Talk:God Save Ireland#Sound file? -- Scolaire ( talk) 17:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sen dollotar Ulaid ...#Requested move 7 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a proposal to move 1918 Irish general election to 1918 United Kingdom general election in Ireland. The discussion is at Talk:1918 Irish general election#Requested move 29 May 2024. -- Scolaire ( talk) 09:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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I'll be sad to see the Oireachtas template for Jack Chambers (politician) go. I spent so much time on it, and all the TDS in that constituency, in an attempt to make BHG's solution work. Despite BHG's promises in the above debate, the attempt was futile. No other editor went to the bother of trying to make the unworkable workable. But the fiction had to be maintained. Until it could no longer be maintained. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 11:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Oireachtas template{{ s-par/ie/oi}} is only a header. It doesn't make the succession boxes. 7 years and 4 months after I pointed that out [1] at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 March 3#Template:S-par/ie/oi, LL still doesn't get that basic point.
if Laurel Lodged has nothing constructive to add then perhaps they should bow out of the discussion. That was wise advice, because it is clear that LL does indeed have nothing constructive to add.
nutters, [2] LL's latest post above of at 11:18 today [3] is yet more snark which does nothing to assist the collaborative solution-building by other editors. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:11, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
nobody else did same for any other TDis just a guess asserted as if it was fact.
The sheer ugliness of the solution. [4] Yet today LL wrote
!I'll be sad to see the Oireachtas template for Jack Chambers (politician) go
Hi all, I'd love to get a few more people involved in reviewing an article with declared COI on the Outhouse LGBTQ+ Centre. Would anyone be willing to take a look? Thanks! Smirkybec ( talk) 09:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
There are currently 24 navboxes for by-elections to Dáil Éireann. I have proposed merging all of them to one new navbox.
The discussion is at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 July 20#Dáil_by-election_navboxes. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Earlier today, in the latest release of the 2022 census, the CSO published the population of 867 towns, or what it now defines as built-up areas (BUAs). They're available at table F1015 from the Data section of the CSO. We can begin adding this population to articles for each town and village in this list, as well as articles such as List of urban areas in the Republic of Ireland by population. I'd recommend including a link to the current census page anywhere we add the new figures, i.e. (as of 2022 census). That way, when we're doing the same in 2028, we can easily find any pages that use the 2022 figures. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 13:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
A few months ago, I proposed a reorganisation/merger of specific constituencies, being those related to Kerry North–West Limerick (Dáil constituency) and Limerick (Dáil constituency). I did notify the this WT:IE discussion page, as it was not my intention to be disruptive or to make a series of edits that might be controversial and end up being reverted. There was no response on this page, and after waiting the customary week, I implemented the change. I later proposed the same for Dublin South-East (Dáil constituency). Although I didn't notify this discussion page on that second occasion, I did wait the customary week after the proposal. However, I may have been over-eager in making changes throughout other pages; for good reasons of WP:NOTBROKEN, I should not have changed the underlying link on pages where the modern name was not used, i.e., I should not have edited it read [[Dublin Bay South (Dáil constituency)|Dublin South-East]] on Garret FitzGerald's page. Whatever the decision here, I will revert those particular edits.
That said, on the Talk:Dublin Bay South (Dáil constituency) page, BrownHairedGirl has argued that these changes should be reverted. For that reason, I'll make the case generally.
From a process point of view, although I had planned to make more than one of these sets of changes, I didn't propose all these at the same time, as I supposed that the strength of the argument might differ between one instance and another. That said, it is worth having the general discussion now that an objection has been raised. If the consensus is to revert to the status quo ante, I will be as helpful as time allows in reverting my own changes, both to the constituency pages and any other affected pages. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 15:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
BHG:17-year status quo of a one-to-one relationship between name and article, which was agreed in 2006 for both the UK and Ireland
IG:I'll note that the pages in question post-date the discussion in 2006. I don't think the discussion then need stand for all time
Kerry North tangent
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On Kerry North, the problem is that the current 2016-onwards
Kerry constituency is a maxed out at 5 seats, but needs another one due to population growth. The only ways of doing that are either to a) split Kerry, or b) to cede part of Kerrry to to a Cork or Limerick contituency.
Kerry voters in a Cork constituency would cause uproar, and the alternative of putting Tralee and the Dingle Peninsula in Limerick would be little less contentious. That famous 2016 Sligo–Leitrim vote spoiled with "I live in Cavan" would be nothing on the fury in The Kingdom. It's even possible that the two brother TDs might feel goaded out of their usual sunny and placid "que sera" demeanour ![]() If I'm wrong, I will owe Iveagh Gardens a barnstar. |
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In the wake of O'Connor's death, a discussion is underway in the talk page as to the photo that should be used for her article! They are:
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Input sought on a possible big cleanup of a widespread minor issue: breaches of MOS:IMOS COUNTIES.
For the last ~7 weeks, I have been working intensively on categorising Irish biographical articles. So far, I have made tens of thousands of edits in that ongoing task. (That's by way of background. If anyone wants to discuss that work, I'd be very happy to do so, but please start a separate thread).
Along the way, I have been mildly irritated to find that a significant minority of those pages use the abbreviated form of the word "County", e.g. "Co. Offaly" instead of "County Offaly". Sometimes it's unlinked, but more often it's linked, usually in the piped form e.g. [[County Antrim|Co. Antrim]]
, or sometimes using a redirect such as [[Co. Kildare]]
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This is deprecated by
MOS:IMOS COUNTIES, for good reason. It is unclear to many readers, and the abbreviation saves only 3 chararacters in the rendered text. The loss of clarity hugely outweighs the tiny gain. And when the piped form is used, it adds unhelpful verbosity to the wikitext: [[County Fermanagh|Co. Fermanagh]]
adds 14 chararacters to display
Co. Fermanagh instead of the clearer
County Fermanagh.
(Please note that I do not mean any reproach to the editors who added these abbreviations. I AGF that they were unaware of MOS:IMOS COUNTIES, and I can see that in many cases the sources use the abbreviated form).
After a few manual fixes (e.g. [9]) I eventually thought that manual cleanup woukd be tediously slow, but maybe I could tackle this at scale using WP:AWB. Some tests showed that my regex was basically sound, at least in simple cases such as this one which I actually saved. [10]
So I made some lists using WP:Petscan: All articles tagged with {{ WikiProject Ireland}}, {{ WikiProject Northern Ireland}}, {{ WikiProject Gaelic games}}; all articles which link to any of the 32 traditional counties, whether as "County Foo", "Co. Foo" or "Co Foo"; all categories for Irish people by place or by ocupation.
That gave me a list of 94,695 unique article titles. For technical reasons, I used a crude filter as a first pass. That left me with a list of 6,111 articles which use "Co. Foo" or "Co Foo" somewhere in the wikitext.
This 6.5% hit rate is a lot higher than I had expected. (I had reassured myself that I had probably been encontering unrepresentative clusters, so I hoped for <1% in a wider trawl).
However, it includes a lot of false positives, e.g. where the "Co. Foo" abbreviation is used
<ref> .. </ref>
tags, usually as the title of the cited work, orTypes 2 and 3 are easy to code for. My next rounds of filtering will skip them, and hopefully make a big reduction in the numbers. (I don't yet have an estimate of how big).
The quotes are hard to reliably detect in software, so I will just have to watch for them as I review each edit.
The feedback I am looking for is where my approach is sound. There may be concerns in principle, and if so, I'd like to hear them. But my main uncertainty is whether I am right in my selection of which uses of the "Co. Foo" abbreviation to replace. My overall principle is that MOS:IMOS COUNTIES should be applied only to the text originated by Wikpedia editors, whether that's in body text or an infobox. How does that sound? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Some examples:
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1521 in Ireland | "Co. Dublin" in two inline refs | No change |
Greyhound (1747 ship) | "Co. Sligo" in title of external link | No change |
1539 in Ireland, and Young Social Innovators |
multiple "Co. Foo" in bodytext | "Co. Foo" → "County Foo" |
A42 road (Northern Ireland) | "Co. Antrim" in image caption | "Co. Antrim" → "County Antrim" |
A. Martin Freeman | [[Co. Cork]] linked in bodytext |
[[Co. Cork]] → [[County Cork]]
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Storm Eva | [[County Mayo|Co. Mayo]] pipe-linked in bodytext |
[[County Mayo|Co. Mayo]] → [[County Mayo]]
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Young Farmers' Clubs of Ulster | multiple, linked "Co. Foo" in table headers | "Co. Foo" → "County Foo" |
Hope this clarifies what I intend. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
anything that isn't a direct quoteis a good summary of my understanding of the suitable scope of cleanup. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
BHG's regex
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<ref> ... </ref>
tags, leaving me with 2,559 articles (down from 6,111 articles on the first pass).I have now processed the first 102 articles on my list of 2,260. As usual with a big task like this, most of the cases are straightforward, but there are unforeseen issues which it might be useful to note. Of those 102 articles, I did "Co. Foo" → "County Foo" edits on 93 of them, (see the contribs list)
Issues:
birth_place = [[Rathmullan]], [[County Donegal]], [[Ireland]], [[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland|UK]]
. Technically correct, 'cos in 1831 Ireland was indeed part of the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland; but it feels a bit OTT to me. Does IMOS say anything on this?[[County Waterford]] and on 24 April 2020 at Club Ceol Aislann in [[Kilcar|Cill Chartha]], [[County Donegal|Co. Dún na nGall]]
, 'cos my AWB job isn't set op to handle Irish-language county names. Apart from the disparity of one county name being in English and the other in Irish. I thought that in the English-language Wikipedia we use the the English-language county names. What does IMOS say?[[Donaghmore Ashbourne GAA|County Meath]]
. Whaaaaaat?Queen's Co. Cork
. I dunno what that means.[[Ballina, County Mayo]]
):
[[Ballina, County Mayo|Ballina]], [[County Mayo]]
feels in most cases like overlinking.[[Ballina, County Mayo|Ballina]], Ireland
. iif it's appropriate to include the country name, then the county should not be removed.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
15:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
This morning, I finally finished this job. I estimate that I did MOS:IMOS COUNTIES fixes to about 1,900 pages.
The precise tally is hard to track, because: a) some pages were fixed by browser edits, rather than using AWB; and b) about 25–35 edits were reverted as false positives, where I erroneously changed the usage in a quote or in the name of an image file. Many thanks to the editors who spotted my errors, and kindly reverted them.
Along the way, I probably wrongly skipped a few pages which should have been fixed, but I am confident that such errors were also in the 1–2% range.
Anyway, the result is a big dent in the number of pages with "Co. Foo" or "Co Foo" displayed anywhere other than in quotes or appendices (refs, works, sources etc). I hope that this will also help to avoid future editors using the abbreviation after seeing it used in elsewhere on Wikipedia, and thinking that it is OK.
This also marks the last non-trivial task on Wikipedia which I undertake as I semi-retire from Wikipedia after 17 years. Many thanks to all the woderful Irish editors with whom I have enjoyed collaborating over the years. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, anybody hanging around willing to "dig" in Tim Hannan, using the pseudonym Rambling Thady? Since only people with an article should be mentionned, and looking for some information on Tim Hannan, I came across : ...and at school he'd tell us the stories he had heard the night before from Jim Connolly ; one of these was the story of Seadna in English... Thank you so much for your time. Lotje ( talk) 05:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Prompted by the discussion above on organisation of constituency articles, can we also look at the {{s-par|ie/oi}} template used in articles for TDs or people who were TDs. (ACtually, this also applies to MEPs and councillors!)
We have multi-seat constituencies, yet many politicians' biographical articles, using the parliamentary succession template, suggest that Bob replaced Alice, as if there was only one seat up for grabs, or that Ted inherited the Whatever Party seat from Alice. Technically, this might be the case where there was a by-election (especially given the feudal nature of Irish politics!), but it is the exception rather than the rule.
Usually, there are three, four or five TDs, who either get re-elected or who are replaced, individually. It is not correct to do as we're doing on - for example - the Michael Healy-Rae, Dermot Ahern, Catherine Murphy (politician) or Simon Coveney articles (where there wasn't a by-election). We should instead be doing what's on the articles for, e.g., Eamon Ryan, Jim O'Callaghan or Eoghan Murphy articles.
I am not in any way well versed in template creation or editing. Would this be best achieved by amending the s-par template? Or coming up with an entirely new template, for Irish Dáil, European and council elections? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the goodsounds like a wise summary.
After a lot of jigglig around (and temporarily breaking some constituency articles along the way), I seem to have got an elgant solution to the creation of navboxes for TDs of each consituency. More elegant than I thought possible.
My stretch goals were:
I think I have succeeded: the {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}} meets all but one of those stretch goals. (It needs one parameter: the name of the constituency).
Here's how it works:
For any given article
Foo (Dáil constituency), create a page named
Template:Foo (Dáil constituency)/TDs. The contents of that page should be simply {{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|Foo}}
I have made one for
Kildare South (Dáil constituency): see {{
Kildare South (Dáil constituency)/TDs}}, whose content is {{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|Kildare South (Dáil constituency)}}
Here's its output:
It needs polishing: documentation, better error messages, and categorisation. But those are the easy bit. If y'all like the functionality I'll start polishing.
@ Bastun, Iveagh Gardens, and Spleodrach:: how does this look to you? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
{{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|{{Subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}
{{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|{{Subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}
into
Denise Mitchell, I get errors, as you can see
here. What am I doing wrong?
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!
20:53, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
After a day spent polishing {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}}, I think that is now nearly ready for use, but would of course welcome criticisms and/or suggestions.
I have added intensive error-checking (with a tracking category), full documentation, and polished the output. To reduce clutter, the navbox now strips out the table headers, they key of parties, and all refs. The result is a much more compact navbox.
The navboxes created so far are:
... and three more to test edge cases
{{ Kerry (Dáil constituency)/TDs}} is an interesting case because it has had three incarnations, and I was concerned that it might become very bulky. However, after stripping layers of fluff, it is now not bad. I struggled with how to remove the level 3 headers which sat between the tables (and added annoying edit links), but a question at Module talk:String#How_to_do_string.replace_of_level3_headers_in_transcluded_wikitext brought prompt help from @ Pppery and Trappist the monk: many thanks to both for guiding me to this fix.
{{ Wexford (Dáil constituency)/TDs}} is the longest single table we will find on any constituency. It covers 32 general elections and 3 by-elections, making a total of 35 rows. I think it has turned out quite well: it takes up almost two screnfuls on my full-HD laptop display, but that's unavoidable.
The 9-seat {{ Dublin City North (Dáil constituency)/TDs}} is problematic: on my laptop, using the new Vector 2022 skin with its reduced idth for the article, the navbox is far too wide. As of now, I think it would be disruptive to any article (see my test on Margaret Collins-O'Driscoll). I need to figure out how to constrain its width.
And that's it for now. That width issue on Dublin City North is the only remaining item on my to-do list.
If @ Bastun, Iveagh Gardens, and Spleodrach still have any patience left to do more testing, I'd welcome more feedback, esp on unusual cases. No hurry; I won't take this any further until the weekend.
@ Iveagh Gardens: You may have a particular interest in item 3 of Template:Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox#Assumptions about the one-to-one relationship between the name of a constituency and the name of the correspondig Wikipdia article, as wdiscuused above at #Organisation_of_constituencies. It's an unavoidable constraint of this automated approach to building the navboxes, but I don't want you think that I was trying to slip that past you.
Thanks again. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Arguably, they are such different sets of TDs as to not being closely related as articles.
With the major technical glitches in {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}} resolved, rollout has been proceeding fast. Of the 1,344 articles on TDs, over 400 now have a navbox built with {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}}, and that doesn't include {{ Dublin University (constituency)/TDs}} + {{ National University of Ireland (constituency)/TDs}}, which I had to build using slightly different means 'cos their different name format is incompatible with the metatemplate.
Use of the navboxes built with {{ Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox}} is tracked at:
I see that Bastun has been hard at work today, and Spleodrach has been prolific. Iveagh Gardens is busy off-wiki, but I have using AWB to chomp through some constituencies. At this high rate of productivity, we might get the whole job done within a week. Great work!
I have a few questions on followup issues, which I will post as separate comments, to facilitate any threaded discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
So, nesting the constituency navbox inside a "'person' navigation boxes", as, for example, at Frank Aiken? I presume yes? I'm working away slowly on adding the template, and removing the s-par template where it's been incomplete. I see others are removing it in all cases for the constituency and leaving any offices held, I'll start doing that too. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:29, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Louth (Dáil constituency)/TDs, which is not wide. And as above, the issue has now been resolved.
|name=
parameter of {{
Irish TD table TD with party link}}, rather than in the |refs=
parameter.Note I'm going to be very busy today through Wednesday (and probably still doing catch-up until Friday) so won't have too much time to devote to Wiki until then. Just wondering, what's the most efficient way of doing this? Like, is the best way to start with a constituency template, open the links, and go through one-by-one; or is there a category or list I could be using, creating templates as I come across one that hasn't yet been made? (Once the template is made, it's really quick to apply to everyone in a constituency, I am in awe of the speed difference between this method and writing an s-par template 'manually'!) Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
the most efficient way of doing thisdepends mostly on what tools and modes of working you are comfortable with, so my suggestions may or may not help anyone else. But here they are, FWIW.
{{Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox|{{Subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}
, and save.My checklist at User:BrownHairedGirl/Dáil constituency navboxes shows that all the navboxes now exist.
All TDs from the Second Dáil onwards should have at least one of these navboxes. I have done two WP:Petscan searches to check whether that is so. Note that the searches cannot tell whether a TD has the full set of navboxes needed if the were elected for more than one constituency.
Opening those links, will give the current live lists and tallies, subject to some technical tag which can vary from milliseconds to hours. In the last few days, the lag has been almost zero, but that cannot be relied on.
These two totals add up to 1,331. But my other searches suggest that the total should add up to 1,343 or 1,344. Some day I will try to figure out why there is a mismatch. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I have done some final polishing to the TD navboxes.
Part of it was removing excess whitespace, which is a bit finnicky to achieve, but reduces visual bulk.
The more significant part was tweaking the {{ Irish TD table begin}} series of templates so that when used in a navbox they link only to the TDs and to successor constituencies. This is per the principle that a navbox is a tool for navigation, not for explanation. So, like a road sign: it should point only to the primary relevant destinations, and not to places which are unrelated to the immediate navigational choice. For navigation, less is more.
So in these navboxes, there is now no link to the elections, to the nth Dáil, or to the political parties. But those items are all still linked in the constituency articles.
Or rather, that's how it should be. @ Spleodrach: has just posted to my talk abut a related glitch (probs with the suprression of refs in navboxes), which I will try to resolve. But @ Bastun and Iveagh Gardens:, please also gimme a poke if you spot any issues. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:59, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
This thread started with @ Bastun's observations about the lack of progress on making complete succession boxes. We solved the navigation problems by creating and deploying navboxes. However, many succession boxes remain.
I think that this where we got to:
@ Bastun, Iveagh Gardens, and Spleodrach:: how does this sound to you? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:46, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Today I found myself at the article Michael O'Brien (Fianna Fáil politician), whilst populating Category:Fianna Fáil local councillors.
O'Brien was a Mayor of Clonmel in the 1990s, but he is notable almost entirely for his work as an advocate for survivors of the industrial schools. His own account on Questions and Answers of his abuse at St Joseph's Industrial School, Clonmel (aka Ferryhouse) made him a household name.
However, he is not in any categories relating either to his campaigning or to his own experiences. We may have some categories for O'Brien's activism, but what his time in the industrial school? It's clearly a WP:DEFINING attribute, so we should categorise by that attribute; but Category:Industrial schools in the Republic of Ireland has no subcats. The conventional title for people-by-school categories is "People educated at", but that word "educated" feels deeply misleading for institutions which were called "schools" but were in the theory of their creators youth detention centers for children who had usually committed no offence (other than being poor and/or having lost a parent) and in practice these places were centres of rape and brutality.
So ... any thoughts on a neutral title for a category for survivors of an Industrial school (Ireland)?
My best idea so far is to use the word "detained", which seems to be a neutral description of why children were in industrial schools. That would give us Category:People detained at industrial schools in the Republic of Ireland, with subcats for individual schools where the number allow: e.g. Category:People detained at St Joseph's Industrial School, Clonmel.
How does that sound? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Spleodrach and SeoR: I have created [41] Category:People detained at industrial schools in the Republic of Ireland, and found 12 articles to populate it. (Live count: 12)
So far, I have not found enough enough articles to justify creating any subcats. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
There's an inconsistency in how articles for certain municipal elections are named, e.g. 1920 Dublin Corporation election but 1999 Dublin City Council election, both elected under the same Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898. I've started a discussion at Talk:1960 Cork City Council election. Although I proposed moving article titles to Year City Corporation election, my only strong view is that they should be consistent, and I could be persuaded that a consistency of City Council or Borough Council may be preferable. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 06:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Is User:Sarahallen2156 a single-purpose account dedicated to airbrushing Noel Kelly's links to the RTÉ payment scandal? Contribs suggests this. They're not doing anything else...
Don't know how this is normally dealt with - if blocked will they come back with a different name? Should someone watch Noel Kelly for anything like this in future? -- Rydíaz ( talk) 23:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Your input would be welcomed regarding the pronunciation of Donegal (town) which was recently changed: Talk:Donegal (town)#Pronounciation. -- AFBorchert ( talk) 12:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I've just written an article on
William Sharpington, a lettering artist and monument designer and I'm prepping it for DYK. I've found that he designed a
really beautiful monument to
Edith Somerville and
Violet Florence Martin in Saint Barrahane's Church,
Castletownshend. (It's really quite something, gold leaf, coat of arms, the lot, and I think it's got to be about his best surviving work.) Unfortunately I haven't found a freely licensed photo on Flickr and there's no pictures of the interior in the
Wikimedia Commons category. As it's not practical for me to get to in the DYK timeframe I wondered if anyone knows a freely licensed photo of it, or happens to live round the corner?
Otherwise I'm thinking about contacting the church and asking if they'd be willing to upload a photograph and say I'd be happy to make a donation.
Blythwood (
talk)
15:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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Grnrchst ( talk) 13:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)The CSO published an updated local statistics mapping app with options to zoom into towns, electoral divisions, local authority areas, etc. I'd suggest that where possible, the links this provides are much better that the tables published by the CSO earlier this year, as they provide direct links to the area in question, with options to expand from there to more specific demographic information. I'd suggest a line on MOS:IMOS for geographic articles, advising their use for population figures. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 10:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Could use some micro-geographically wise eyes at Talk:Athleague#Another Athleague in Ireland?. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Related matter at: Talk:Murchadh Ó Cuindlis#Location. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
What is the userbox template that says I am a member of WikiProject Ireland?
Thanks, Shadestar474 ( talk) 06:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hi all
Is there any bureaucratic reason we shouldn’t merge Feargal and Fearghal as they both have Feargal as an alternative and are essentially about the same name?
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Hi - It would be great if someone could take a photo of Naas Town Hall and upload it to wikimedia commons. Many thanks, Dormskirk ( talk) 15:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hello WikiProject Ireland, the article Courceys is listed for your WikiProject. The article is also one of the oldest unreferenced articles on the site. If anyone would be able to trim/improve/look at the article that would be much appreciated. Tooncool64 ( talk) 07:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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Note that the editing behaviours previously raised are ongoing again. While raised at User talk:80.233.59.195 and User talk:80.233.54.102, as multiple IPs (within the same range) are involved, other editors might wish to verify whether any related changes are consistent with the applicable sources. Guliolopez ( talk) 20:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Department of Agriculture & Technical Instruction, Dublin, 1909 and see if you can identify any of the personalities depicted, or assist with transcription of the comments. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I found this when working on WP:FEB24 the February drive to eliminate/reduce the backlog of unreferenced articles. I've added a single source, PeakVisor, not 100% sure of its reliability, which has a list of 41 summits. The Wikipedia list is a set of names, some linked, many not linked, with no further information or sources. I contemplated taking it to AfD, but sourced it and moved on, changing the template from {{ unreferenced}} to {{ refimprove}}.
the Hill Bagging website (aka Database of British and Irish Hills), which I think is a WP:RS, includes Irish mountains like Kippure, but its search function doesn't seem to be working today. Some of the smaller lumps and bumps may not be included in it anyway. (Like the 36m Feltrim Hill, the smallest listed in PeakVisor.)
Someone with access to good sources (a book, perhaps?) on Irish hills and mountains might like to work this up into a more useful list, and to check that the list in {{ Mountains and hills of County Dublin}} matches the list in the article.
Over to you. Pam D 12:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Each bill put to a referendum has its own article. We also have pages for dates on which there is more than one referendum. See, for example, 2015 Irish constitutional referendums, with the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland (marriage equality) and the Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015 (age of eligibility for president).
Should we be following that approach with the March 2024 Irish constitutional referendums (month included in the title because of the scheduled, if not finalised, referendum on the patent court in June)? In that way, keeping detail on the wording and campaigns on the separate pages of Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023 and Fortieth Amendment of the Constitution (Care) Bill 2023. On the other hand, given how much the campaigns will have in common, it might make sense to give more of the details on the campaign and support for or opposition to the two proposals on the referendums article, rather than the separate amendment articles. Previous cases where there were two or more on related topics, such as 1968 Irish constitutional referendums or November 1992 Irish constitutional referendums give guidance, although needn't determine the approach.
Bogger, Ccferrie, Spideog and Spleodrach, who have made substantive contributions to the referendums article, might have a view one way or the other. Just seems like the kind of thing to consider at the start of the formal campaign. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 19:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Great to see a consensus, and though I had started moving in the other direction with my edits, it makes a lot of sense. Even if there is any divergence in the result or if there are some organisations calling for a split vote, it will be useful to show this together on one page. Similarly, the same with the 1992 votes, that there was a No/Yes/Yes from many groups, as well as No/No/No from others, is a useful comparison, in a way that a divergence between marriage equality and the presidential age is only trivial. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 06:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Following this discussion, I've proposed that we merge the two previous occasions we've had multiple ballots on closely related topics.
Working on combined articles for these (if agreed) should inform how we handle the results section of a combined article for the upcoming votes. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 11:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC) Spideog, Bogger, Scolaire, SeoR, Bastun, Ccferrie or Spleodrach, any thoughts on the two proposals above (corrected after I’d accidentally mixed them up!) Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 15:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Support merges: The dispersal of merger discussions across multiple article talk pages and here in WikiProject Ireland is exasperating. I suggest we centralise the discussions in one location (I prefer this location) and place notices in any relevant talk pages directing interested parties here.
It only struck me yesterday that Wikipedia treatment of Irish constitutional amendments is illogically split over two or more articles, for example, we have (Article 1) 1992 Irish constitutional referendums and then we have three more articles: (Article 2) Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 1992, (Article 3) Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland, and (Article 4) Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. This scattered treatment is offensive. The four articles should be merged into one, with redirects pointing to that one article.
If I was dictator for a day like Donald Trump's fantasy for next January, I would go on a wholesale merging binge to impose order and consistency on the mess collected in Category:Constitutional referendums in the Republic of Ireland. I don't know why it became a pattern to have, for example, 2015 Irish constitutional referendums plus Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland and Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015. The three articles should be one because atomising the discussion is both disorderly and illogical which either sends the reader to three different places for one event or risks the reader missing part of the treatment of the occasion. There is also the problem of repetition between articles.
I have read a few of these articles in the past without realising until yesterday that by reading Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland I could easily not recognise that there are two related articles: Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015 and 2015 Irish constitutional referendums.
Even if two amendments voted on, on the same day, are not related in content they are nevertheless contemporaneous events and there is obvious logic in combining them to tidy this unnecessary mess which risks making related material invisible to an unwary reader.
Merge, baby, merge. Merge the discussions we're having, then merge the articles. Spideog ( talk) 16:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
constitutional amendmentand
referendumTalk pages saying that centralised discussion is taking place (here) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Spideog ( talk) 16:35, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
2029 Irish constitutional referendumswithin which are two sections:
Amendment to permit strangling of babies at birthand
Amendment to prohibit fake tans. The results of each vote would appear in the appropriate sections within the article.
2029 Irish constitutional referendumand
Amendment to permit strangling. The lead paragraph would say two (or more) issues were voted on in the 2029 referendum then the reader could browse whichever section is of interest. This would tame the messy subject atomisation/fragmentation and sprawl and cure the problem of repetition between articles. Spideog ( talk) 17:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at Draft talk:Baron of Tirawley. I am not an expert on historical baronies or "feudal lordships", but the claims relating to the "current claimant of the Baron of Tirawley" and "current holder of the title [..] Baron of Irrus" all rely on two very recently-registered websites. Both seemingly created by the same profile(s) contributing related content to Wikipedia. And neither seemingly reliable sources. Given that my concerns could well be completely unfounded (and I'll be first to put my hand-up if that's the case), members of WikiProject Ireland (incl those with any expertise/experience in related areas) may be interested in reviewing and contributing to discussion. Guliolopez ( talk) 16:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Three debates have begun, two at Talk:Church of Ireland (founder and LQBTQ+ issues) and one at Talk:Catholic Church in Ireland (CC or RCC). Not new, especially #1 and #3, but some life in the discussion, I see. Input / perspective welcome. SeoR ( talk) 14:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm just dropping this message on all of the WikiProjects associated with The Mary Wallopers. An IP editor has been repeatedly adding a line to the article describing their musical style as Anglophobia. I have been repeatedly removing these inclusions as I do not believe the source a) is reliable enough or b) discusses the supposed Anglophobia in sufficient detail to warrant its inclusion.
There is an active Talk Page discussion which both myself and the IP editor have commented on today. I would value your input either way on this discussion as I really just want to stop edit warring with this other user. Thanks. Xx78900 ( talk) 23:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Ireland editors, I came across this generated map of Femicides occurring in Ireland between 1922 - 2022 (with References) in one of my nightly Reddit doomscrolls. I thought it may be of use or interest to your project or someone within your network. I also suggested to the original poster to consider using Wikidata or even a Wikibase instance to map and enrich their current data. Link to Google Map and Reddit Original post. I hope it is useful to you. Kind regards, Danny Benjafield (WMDE) ( talk) 14:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Iarnród Éireann#Requested move 16 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. JuniperChill ( talk) 11:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I have replaced the content of the newly-created Resignation of Leo Varadkar article with a redirect to the existing Leo Varadkar article because the subject does not justify a standalone article since it can be dealt with thoroughly in the existing Leo Varadkar article.
Should the newly-created 2024 Fine Gael leadership election article be similarly redirected to the existing Fine Gael article, for the same reason? (Pinging @ Spleodrach: in particular.) Spideog ( talk) 17:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
The page History of Fine Gael is in need of considerable review. The problems range from a complete lack of references in the earlier part, to excessive detail on recent events copied (without attribution!) from Government of the 33rd Dáil and Leo Varadkar. I’ll do my bit to look at it, but the more input from the community, the better! Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 11:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Black Irish (folklore)#Requested move 19 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 00:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Sir Charles Trevelyan, 1st Baronet has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Edmund Patrick – confer 08:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
My read of WP:NCCAPS is that we should not capitalise the word government in phrases such as "Leo Varadkar formed the 33rd government of Ireland". On this basis, I've moved the two pages currently titled in this manner to 23rd government of Ireland and 24th government of Ireland. That said, though I favour the lowercase format, if there's a consensus that the term Government in "33rd Government of Ireland" is a proper noun, and that it therefore falls under the exception to the naming convention, I'm happy to reverse the changes made thus far. So before deploying WP:AWB for all remaining relevant pages, I'm going to wait to see if there's any comment on these thus far. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 17:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I have nominated Ireland women's cricket team record by opponent for featured list. I think, it is one of the topics of interest of this wikiproject. Please join the discussion on whether this article should be promoted or not. Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat 18:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
A sound file ( File:God save Ireland.ogg) was added to God Save Ireland, and also to Irish Republic. I've deleted it from both because I think it is a very bad rendering of the song. Can I ask people to add their opinion at Talk:God Save Ireland#Sound file? -- Scolaire ( talk) 17:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sen dollotar Ulaid ...#Requested move 7 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a proposal to move 1918 Irish general election to 1918 United Kingdom general election in Ireland. The discussion is at Talk:1918 Irish general election#Requested move 29 May 2024. -- Scolaire ( talk) 09:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)