Geography of Ireland
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I am nominating this featured article for review because of uncited passages and the need to update the information (like climate data and the "Oil, natural gas, renewables and minerals" section). Z1720 ( talk) 23:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment work seems to be ongoing but there's a paragraph in "Islands and peninsulas" that needs citations. Z1720 ( talk) 14:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Datasource missing for File:Ireland physical large.png (also of low quality). a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move to FARC: work seems to have stalled again, with uncited sections remaining. Z1720 ( talk) 01:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Move to FARC, no engagement since Z's last comment. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I'm slowly trying to work on the issues mentioned but need more time to satisfy the delistes. ww2censor ( talk) 23:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
FARC section
- Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and currency. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Delist, issues unaddressed. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)- Hold: Ww2censor is working on it. Z1720 ( talk) 14:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm working on a new section on the renewable energy, that is completely unmentioned except for a title because I see the individual articles too are undersourced and/or somewhat outdated. Oil and gas are a bit more difficult but needs updating and sources which I am also finding with turf.
- It seems to me that File:Ireland physical large.png is commons knowledge per many existing maps but not all in one place and not complete without a lot of research. Anyway, perhaps an svg would be better with references to existing maps: advise will be gratefully accepted. If lurkers know of anyone who can assist that would be appreciated. I've already added sources to the "Islands and peninsulas" section which seems the main culprit. ww2censor ( talk) 18:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria ( talk) 05:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ahead of Ww2censor answering, I will step up to help also, starting with bogs. I have a number of reference texts to hand, and will work during the week ahead (27-30 Nov.).
SeoR (
talk) 02:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
SandyGeorgia and
Nikkimaria: I've already added several sources to the "Islands and peninsulas" section as needed. Under the energy section, I've added some update information on oil and gas, as well as added a new renewables section where wind energy has been inserted and am working on the solar energy. If
SeoR works on the bogs and peat I think this will well pass the review again.
ww2censor (
talk) 13:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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Ww2censor: I see that the article has not been seriously edited since late November and the "Islands and peninsulas" section still has unreferenced passages. Are you still working on this?
Z1720 (
talk) 16:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Pending Ww2censor's reply, my update - I was offline most of December due to illness, but made some referencing and corrective edits 26/12, and will continue 27/12.
SeoR (
talk) 02:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @ Z1720: The missing section on renewables was a main concern and has been added though that still needs a bit about hydro power. I hope to do that this week before travelling again. Other then that, I think it is well up to FA standard with little missing or passages needing citations. If not please specify, otherwise I think all concerns have been addressed. SeoR may add some more when he has time and is well enough. ww2censor ( talk) 11:18, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Pending Ww2censor's reply, my update - I was offline most of December due to illness, but made some referencing and corrective edits 26/12, and will continue 27/12.
SeoR (
talk) 02:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
Ww2censor: I see that the article has not been seriously edited since late November and the "Islands and peninsulas" section still has unreferenced passages. Are you still working on this?
Z1720 (
talk) 16:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
SandyGeorgia and
Nikkimaria: I've already added several sources to the "Islands and peninsulas" section as needed. Under the energy section, I've added some update information on oil and gas, as well as added a new renewables section where wind energy has been inserted and am working on the solar energy. If
SeoR works on the bogs and peat I think this will well pass the review again.
ww2censor (
talk) 13:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Major citation concerns have been resolved. After reviewing the article, here are some other concerns listed below:
- The lede is quite short, and doesn't include information from major sections of the article like the climate and natural resources. Perhaps these should be added to the lede.
- I have sourced text for this from two books, will add today.
Done
- In the "Rivers and lakes" section, lots of information is given about specific bodies of water, but there isn't much general information about their composition of the geography of Ireland. How much of the island is rivers and lakes?
- Done
Has the location of these bodies of water influenced human settlement, animal or plant composition, or influenced/been influenced by other geographic features (mountains, oceans, land masses, etc.)
- To come.
- I had added a summary point about the overall (c. 2%, etc.), but will expand on the rivers and lakes, and the point about influence as far as my sources allow.
- Can the second and third paragraphs of "Rivers and lakes" be merged together?
- The two images at the top of "Inlets" form a sandwich with the text; per MOS:SANDWICH, this is discouraged and one of the images should be moved or deleted.
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Comment: topographic image hidden for now to avoid sandwich. It could possibly be used as an intro file for a short topographic paragraph at the beginning of the "Physical Geography" section. Actually there are other island topographic type images in the article already so it may not be necessary to re-add this one.
ww2censor (
talk) 23:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The "Islands and peninsulas" just seems to be a list of islands and peninsulas. Any additional information to add to this, like do they cluster in a certain location on the island, how they were formed, or unique features that are different from the other geography of Ireland?
- Can definitely add to this, as there is a distinct difference between coasts on this point (smooth east, jagged north and west, mixed south) - just need to match to a book.
- The fourth paragraph in "Climate", describing the mean daily temperatures, should be updated to 2023 numbers.
- 2022 found.
- The climate data for Belfast is from 2017. Are there more recent numbers?
- Yes, will update.
- "The island's total population of nearly 7 million people" This is cited to 2013. Is this still accurate?
- "Plans are now in place in both the Republic and Northern Ireland to conserve most of the remaining raised bogs on the island." This is cited to a source from 1998. What is the status of these plans? What are the details of these plans?
- There is a major update on this from last week, as the EU takes action over Ireland's slow action, and the government responds with an update; will cite and include.
- Ref 109: Per WP:STATISTA this is not considered a reliable source and should not be used in the article.
- Will remove. Done
Those are my thoughts. Z1720 ( talk) 17:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Great re general citation. Happy to work already today, with Ww2censor - who is recently back from Wikibreak - on the other concerns listed above. In particular re overviews and quick fixes to sandwiching and statista. SeoR ( talk) 19:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria ( talk) 14:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ww2censor is away, but I'm returning from a trip, so I will answer during Sunday.
SeoR (
talk) 02:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for delay, sudden business trip. All points above checked, action still progressing on most, but I already have the books to answer some, and newspaper quotes for others, so will proceed with this this evening.
SeoR (
talk) 10:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- And resuming, after an unexpected few days offshore. A curious challenge has been the lack of good all-island sources on some points, leaving me partly checking sources from the late 1800s and early 1900s (solid enough for some physical points) - the way the UK and Ireland even monitor and account land types has diverged, and it's remarkably hard to get a solid "% of island by land coverage", for example. But it advances. SeoR ( talk) 16:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for delay, sudden business trip. All points above checked, action still progressing on most, but I already have the books to answer some, and newspaper quotes for others, so will proceed with this this evening.
SeoR (
talk) 10:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Geography of Ireland
Geography of Ireland ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Filiocht(last edit 2013), Ww2censor, Moxy, Jacobfrid, WikiProject Ireland, WikiProject UK geography, WikiProject Geography, WikiProject Europe, 2021-10-10 2022-10-14
Review section
I am nominating this featured article for review because of uncited passages and the need to update the information (like climate data and the "Oil, natural gas, renewables and minerals" section). Z1720 ( talk) 23:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment work seems to be ongoing but there's a paragraph in "Islands and peninsulas" that needs citations. Z1720 ( talk) 14:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Datasource missing for File:Ireland physical large.png (also of low quality). a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move to FARC: work seems to have stalled again, with uncited sections remaining. Z1720 ( talk) 01:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Move to FARC, no engagement since Z's last comment. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I'm slowly trying to work on the issues mentioned but need more time to satisfy the delistes. ww2censor ( talk) 23:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
FARC section
- Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and currency. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Delist, issues unaddressed. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)- Hold: Ww2censor is working on it. Z1720 ( talk) 14:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm working on a new section on the renewable energy, that is completely unmentioned except for a title because I see the individual articles too are undersourced and/or somewhat outdated. Oil and gas are a bit more difficult but needs updating and sources which I am also finding with turf.
- It seems to me that File:Ireland physical large.png is commons knowledge per many existing maps but not all in one place and not complete without a lot of research. Anyway, perhaps an svg would be better with references to existing maps: advise will be gratefully accepted. If lurkers know of anyone who can assist that would be appreciated. I've already added sources to the "Islands and peninsulas" section which seems the main culprit. ww2censor ( talk) 18:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria ( talk) 05:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ahead of Ww2censor answering, I will step up to help also, starting with bogs. I have a number of reference texts to hand, and will work during the week ahead (27-30 Nov.).
SeoR (
talk) 02:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
SandyGeorgia and
Nikkimaria: I've already added several sources to the "Islands and peninsulas" section as needed. Under the energy section, I've added some update information on oil and gas, as well as added a new renewables section where wind energy has been inserted and am working on the solar energy. If
SeoR works on the bogs and peat I think this will well pass the review again.
ww2censor (
talk) 13:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
Ww2censor: I see that the article has not been seriously edited since late November and the "Islands and peninsulas" section still has unreferenced passages. Are you still working on this?
Z1720 (
talk) 16:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Pending Ww2censor's reply, my update - I was offline most of December due to illness, but made some referencing and corrective edits 26/12, and will continue 27/12.
SeoR (
talk) 02:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @ Z1720: The missing section on renewables was a main concern and has been added though that still needs a bit about hydro power. I hope to do that this week before travelling again. Other then that, I think it is well up to FA standard with little missing or passages needing citations. If not please specify, otherwise I think all concerns have been addressed. SeoR may add some more when he has time and is well enough. ww2censor ( talk) 11:18, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Pending Ww2censor's reply, my update - I was offline most of December due to illness, but made some referencing and corrective edits 26/12, and will continue 27/12.
SeoR (
talk) 02:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
Ww2censor: I see that the article has not been seriously edited since late November and the "Islands and peninsulas" section still has unreferenced passages. Are you still working on this?
Z1720 (
talk) 16:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
SandyGeorgia and
Nikkimaria: I've already added several sources to the "Islands and peninsulas" section as needed. Under the energy section, I've added some update information on oil and gas, as well as added a new renewables section where wind energy has been inserted and am working on the solar energy. If
SeoR works on the bogs and peat I think this will well pass the review again.
ww2censor (
talk) 13:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Major citation concerns have been resolved. After reviewing the article, here are some other concerns listed below:
- The lede is quite short, and doesn't include information from major sections of the article like the climate and natural resources. Perhaps these should be added to the lede.
- I have sourced text for this from two books, will add today.
- Done
- In the "Rivers and lakes" section, lots of information is given about specific bodies of water, but there isn't much general information about their composition of the geography of Ireland. How much of the island is rivers and lakes?
- Done
Has the location of these bodies of water influenced human settlement, animal or plant composition, or influenced/been influenced by other geographic features (mountains, oceans, land masses, etc.)
- To come.
- I had added a summary point about the overall (c. 2%, etc.), but will expand on the rivers and lakes, and the point about influence as far as my sources allow.
- Can the second and third paragraphs of "Rivers and lakes" be merged together?
- The two images at the top of "Inlets" form a sandwich with the text; per MOS:SANDWICH, this is discouraged and one of the images should be moved or deleted.
-
Comment: topographic image hidden for now to avoid sandwich. It could possibly be used as an intro file for a short topographic paragraph at the beginning of the "Physical Geography" section. Actually there are other island topographic type images in the article already so it may not be necessary to re-add this one.
ww2censor (
talk) 23:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
-
- The "Islands and peninsulas" just seems to be a list of islands and peninsulas. Any additional information to add to this, like do they cluster in a certain location on the island, how they were formed, or unique features that are different from the other geography of Ireland?
- Can definitely add to this, as there is a distinct difference between coasts on this point (smooth east, jagged north and west, mixed south) - just need to match to a book.
- The fourth paragraph in "Climate", describing the mean daily temperatures, should be updated to 2023 numbers.
- 2022 found.
- The climate data for Belfast is from 2017. Are there more recent numbers?
- Yes, will update.
- "The island's total population of nearly 7 million people" This is cited to 2013. Is this still accurate?
- "Plans are now in place in both the Republic and Northern Ireland to conserve most of the remaining raised bogs on the island." This is cited to a source from 1998. What is the status of these plans? What are the details of these plans?
- There is a major update on this from last week, as the EU takes action over Ireland's slow action, and the government responds with an update; will cite and include.
- Ref 109: Per WP:STATISTA this is not considered a reliable source and should not be used in the article.
- Will remove. Done
Those are my thoughts. Z1720 ( talk) 17:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Great re general citation. Happy to work already today, with Ww2censor - who is recently back from Wikibreak - on the other concerns listed above. In particular re overviews and quick fixes to sandwiching and statista. SeoR ( talk) 19:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria ( talk) 14:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ww2censor is away, but I'm returning from a trip, so I will answer during Sunday.
SeoR (
talk) 02:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for delay, sudden business trip. All points above checked, action still progressing on most, but I already have the books to answer some, and newspaper quotes for others, so will proceed with this this evening.
SeoR (
talk) 10:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- And resuming, after an unexpected few days offshore. A curious challenge has been the lack of good all-island sources on some points, leaving me partly checking sources from the late 1800s and early 1900s (solid enough for some physical points) - the way the UK and Ireland even monitor and account land types has diverged, and it's remarkably hard to get a solid "% of island by land coverage", for example. But it advances. SeoR ( talk) 16:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for delay, sudden business trip. All points above checked, action still progressing on most, but I already have the books to answer some, and newspaper quotes for others, so will proceed with this this evening.
SeoR (
talk) 10:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)