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A plane crash just happened in Argentina. The Spanish Wikipedia has es:Vuelo 5428 de Sol - The English Wikipedia will need an article too
BTW I took the liberty of archiving the airline's press releases at Talk:Sol Líneas Aéreas - Please continue to archive any new ones, and use http://www.webcitation.org/archive to archive them - For some reason archiving the pages doesn't work, so please archive the individual image files WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
BTW, of the pax, all except for one used Argentine ID cards. One used a passport. Eduardo Musacchio had the passport ID 5187151, according to http://www.sol.com.ar/site/new/img_noticias/20110519060512.jpg - So what would his nationality be? WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently there is a lack of consensus on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hawker Siddeley Harrier review page; if somebody could spare the time to look over the article and deliver their opinion, that would be great. I would prefer, if the review if to fail and not pass, to fail because people through it was deliberately not ready, rather than simply because not enough concluding views were arrived at. Thanks. Kyteto ( talk) 15:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
RFCs have been opened on the use of flagicons in lists and in Infoboxes. Mjroots ( talk) 16:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Based on http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2000/5y-n000130a/pdf/5y-n000130a.pdf (Pages 100-103 shows individual committee members)
Is the investigating agency of this accident simply the ministry of transport of the Ivory Coast, or is it specifically the Ivorian ANAC? The committee members look like a jumble of civilian and transport ministry people, and the report is headed (in the French version) as simply being done by the ministry of transport
In light of this, is the ministry itself the accident investigation agency of the Ivory Coast? WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The noticeboard at the top of this page seems to have missed the Airbus A330 FAC. The page is located at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Airbus A330/archive3. Can some rectify this? Sp33dyphil Ready • to • Rumble 11:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if it is possible or necessary to write an article on unapproved aircraft parts
YSSYGuy recommended that I look into the subject. I found:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
As I have said, there is a lot of material out there, but at the moment I am not in the position to go through any of my collection to look for it. Search for "bogus part" as well. YSSYguy ( talk) 00:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
The Spanish CIAIAC only has a Spanish version of the Tenerife airport disaster final accident report available on its website.
Did a third party agency ( NTSB, the Netherlands) translate the Spanish report into English? WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Good luck. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
When I researched the Lauda Air Flight 004 crash, I found that Hiroshi Sogame (十亀 洋) was the guy who put the English version of the Thai Government final report online. Sogame was a member of the All Nippon Airways Safety Committee.
When searching for Sogame's kanji, I found: " Why Airplanes Crash? - Human Factors Consideration in Airline Safety Management -" ( Archive) (Japanese: 飛行機はなぜ墜ちるか─航空安全のシステ ) - It was in Nagare (ながれ - English-Japanese dictionaries says this means "flow/flowing") 21 (2002) 274-279. The article is in Japanese, but it could be helpful anyway to ENWiki (after all foreign language material is used as sources), and it could also help the Japanese Wikipedia
WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I would like to locate the following accident reports:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Gimli Glider has been requested to be renamed as the flight number (which is still in use by Air Canada) 65.94.44.141 ( talk) 05:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The usage of Thunderbirds is under discussion, see Talk:Thunderbirds (TV series) and WP:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_May_27#Thunderbirds, for the two discussions underway. As the Thunderbirds are the USAF performance aerobatics team, I thought I'd let you know. 184.144.166.87 ( talk) 06:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Air travel disruption. Since you had some involvement with the Air travel disruption redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 10:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Anyhow, I think the NTSB stuff should teach us a lesson regarding sourcing. Unless it's a newspaper/journalism document, we should take care to archive stuff on webcitation.org (even if its development is finished) so that we can easily access materials. Also if robots.txt gets put on a site, it won't affect any copies archived on webcitation.org.
Here is an example of one of the archiving drives I did on a particular accident: Talk:Flash_Airlines_Flight_604#Archives - I targeted the Egyptian and French agency websites. I did every page, in every language, in every subject.
My suggestion is, in regards to investigation agency websites, to begin archiving once the final report is out. For airlines and third parties, a good time may be to do the archiving sooner than that... WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
We have a persistent editor who continuously removed over 100 airline names off flag carrier [1] because he claimed that it failed to meet "the burden of evidence". When a link is provided to back up those facts, he refuses to get to the point and continues to push his personal POV. Furthermore, the entries of those airlines he removed had articles on Wikipedia which clearly stated that they are in fact flag carriers. Can someone take a look? OhanaUnited Talk page 00:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello OhanaUnited. Although I will assume good faith, I am disappointed that on this page you claimed my edits were disruptive without continuing our discussion on the talk page of the article in question. I stand by my comment that the web site you provided does not back up the opinion that the airlines are flag carriers.
To summarise my comments on the talk page: (1) The web site you listed does confirm that some of the airlines are flag carriers, however it does not do this for all airlines. (2) The web site you listed is not reliable: as per its [ about page], it is a travel image web site, not a web site commentating on the airline industry. It should not be used as a source for the entire table, because this then allows anyone to make future edits to the table without citing sources. (3) Yes, entries on Wikipedia for the individual airlines do state that they are flag carriers. However, these articles' statements do not provide sources as to why the airlines are flag carriers. Gfcvoice ( talk) 04:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I strongly disagree with your assertions that the flag carrier table was unchallenged. The talk page for the Flag Carrier article has several discussions regarding problems with the table over many years. I note that following one such discussion (to use just one example), on 17 July 2009, user Colonel Warden removed the table completely. Please refer to the article's talk page for additional examples of similar challenges to the content.
Furthermore, the entire article has been tagged with a "needs citations" banner since December 2009 and the table itself had a "needs citation" banner from February 2010, until I removed the unsourced material.
Regarding the individual articles related to the individual carriers: first of all I don't believe that the content of these individual articles is relevant to the discussion of the Flag Carrier article. The flag carrier article itself should contain verifiable content on a stand-alone basis.
I agree that the content in the individual airline articles has (so far) remained unchallenged. However this does not mean that the content has been actively accepted as encyclopedic content. As you would be aware, Wikipedia is has many articles containing unverified content. This does not exempt other articles (such as but not limited to the Flag Carrier article) from the requirement to verify content. Gfcvoice ( talk) 06:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I note that editor "Sunray" has made some constructive comments on the flag carrier [ talk page]. In order to keep the discussion in one place, I suggest that all further discussion takes place on that talk page. Gfcvoice ( talk) 21:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we please have some eyes on the 2009 Iranian Air Force mid-air collision ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. A content dispute has broken out. Per WP:EW, I'm not going to make any more reverts, but I have asked for a course of action on the talk page, which another editor has backed, but he also cannot do for the same reason. Mjroots ( talk) 22:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#What is this plane?. Beeblebrox ( talk) 07:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Ever heard of the Pugachev's Cobra? Ever heard of a Sukhoi, or a MiG? Ever heard of "Foxbats", "Flankers", "Fulcrums", or Fullback"? Do you know what they are? Do you know what the Soviet aerospace industry is like? Do you know who the Americans really fear? Do you know how much headache it caused to the West? Do you know how much attention the fighters are getting? If the answer is NO, then there are clearly some catching up to do. During the next few days, I'll be working on the MiG-29K, Su-34, Su-35 and Su-37. I want to bring them all up to the same standard as the Su-33. If you want to participate, please come along and help out. Don't be hesitant. Give the Soviet aerospace industry the recognition it really deserves. Sp33dyphil " Ad astra" 11:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears that an editor with (perhaps) personal knowledge is contributing to the editing and changing statements substantially. Can anyone help here? FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC).
I was watching Captured! the other night. The bombers used in the mass escape at the end look like Gotha G.Vs (or earlier models) to me, but I'm no expert. Could somebody confirm/shoot down this ID? Clarityfiend ( talk) 02:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
G'day all, Douglas DC-7B N836D and Seaboard World Airlines landing at Marble Mountain have been nominated for deletion. YSSYguy ( talk) 14:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlanta Pilot Training. - Ahunt ( talk) 17:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Hiya. Not really familiar with airports and stuff, and came across a problem this morning on Charles de Gaulle Airport#Airlines and destinations. There seems to be a malforemd template instance of {{ Airport-dest-list}}. I have no experience in this area and hoped that one of the experts here might be willing to take a look. The article also has a citation error in the references, but I think the ref in question may be located within the malformed template. Not 100% on that, but it looks like it. Could someone have a look please? Thks Fmph ( talk) 09:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I created List of airline flights that required gliding yesterday and would like to hand it off to y'all. Not sure if that's the best title, but it's pretty descriptive. I started the list by removing the "Similar incidents" section from Gimli Glider, and I'm sure there is a lot more that could be added to it. Enjoy! howcheng { chat} 02:07, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trent Valley Gliding Club. - Ahunt ( talk) 17:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed there are many articles under the aviation section in the infobox watch project that require infoboxes. Any help would be appreciated. The link is provided below:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category:Aviation_articles_needing_infoboxes
Thanks, Ygolovk ( talk) 06:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
G'day all, a discussion concerning the formatting of the aviation accidents and incidents templates has been initiated at Template talk:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2011. There is evident confusion over the significance of the current bold smallcaps and italic formatting, as Users keep removing it; and the discusion concerns formatting the templates a different way. YSSYguy ( talk) 00:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
The NTSB just changed around its website. Unfortunately it meant collections related to various acc idents went down
And they put this robots.txt file on its page: http://www.ntsb.gov/robots.txt This file is preventing view of archives at web.archive.org
We need to pressure the NTSB into removing or altering the file so archives are not blocked. The NTSB is a US government agency, and all of its documents are in the public domain. It has no reason to prevent the viewing of these pages.
Also if/when robots.txt is removed, we need to archive all of the files related to several accidents so this can't happen again.
Some stuff is still left on Google cache. I would be happy to try uploading some of it onto the Commons.
In the future, please archive all documents related to an accident on http://www.webcitation.org so that no agency/company/whatever can block it on robots.txt WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Great news! I found the University of Bielefeld in Germany copied much of the KAL801 stuff off of the NTSB website: http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/Incidents/NoMirror/NTSB/Guam/COPY/default.htm WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The Egyptian government Egyptair 990 report at http://www.ntsb.gov/events/ea990/docket/ecaa_report.pdf has been taken down by the NTSB, and the NTSB blocked the archive of the website via robots.txt.
Do you have a copy of the report? Do you know where a copy of it is online? WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Good news, folks! The robots.txt file must have been modified, as the archives are available again! WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
G'day, this is to inform interested parties that the article about Northwest Travel Services - an airport ground-handling company and freight agent - is at AfD. YSSYguy ( talk) 14:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Time for folks to take a look at this article, being significantly improved as of 4 August 2011, but still a looming dispute over whether Foss can be described as the American "ace-of-aces." FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 22:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC).
G'day all, the Light-sport aircraft article appears to be in need of rather a lot of work. It is written as if the term is only in use in the USA, except for some changes I have made to the lede; it has only one reference - which I added a short time ago; and I'm not sure about the name itself, I am more familiar with Light sport aircraft rather than the hyphenated presentation used at the moment. If you think there is a different approach that would work better, feel free to revert my edit :-). Cheers YSSYguy ( talk) 01:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
The 2011 NATO helicopter crash has been nominated for deletion Mjroots ( talk) 13:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
For those interested, the following articles are at AfD:
G'day all, I came across 1985 Aeroflot Antonov An-12 shoot-down (renamed to this by me as 'Aeroflot' was in quotation marks) a short time ago. There's an interesting little situation with this; the ASN database actually has this as a Soviet Air Force aircraft and the article is basically devoid of references (those being given having nothing to do with the actual circumstances of the incident), but leaving those issues - which can possibly be fixed - aside, the article's creator has declared a COI here, and the article itself is word-for-word the same as this page apparently also written by him and given as a link in the 'External links' section of the article. Judging from the article history the WarInAngola website article was copied to WP rather the other way around. The WarInAngola website copyright notice states among other things:
"Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person to deal in this content without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, or sublicense copies of the content of this site, except that content that are expressly stated as subject to copyright by any third parties, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of any content utilized from this site"
which I suppose means that WP:COPYVIO is not an issue, unless attribution to the site is not possible under WP's rules. However IMHO this article basically comes under WP:OR with the 'source' website having problems meeting WP:RS as well. An article on this subject might well be worth having on WP, but IMO this isn't it, and I'm inclined to put it up for AfD and someone starting again under a more accurate name if consensus is that the subject is notable enough for recording outside the Antonov An-12 article. Thoughts? YSSYguy ( talk) 01:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hawke's Bay & East Coast Aero Club. - Ahunt ( talk) 15:42, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi all,
On
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports, there was a slight disagreement concerning when it's appropriate to mention the year (not just the month) that an airline starts serving an airport with some new route. I provided a
third opinion but as the question affects quite a lot of articles, and there was mention of some prior consensus and a suggestion that a new consensus be sought, I think it might be a good idea to have input from others. What do you all think? Is it always/sometimes/never appropriate to say that a route "Starts February" rather than "Starts February 2012"?
Please reply over at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Years for Start Dates (Oh my Lord! Here we go again!).
bobrayner (
talk)
19:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I've marked List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1925–1939) as preferably being merged into List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1925–1934) and List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1935–1939). It looks like someone may have started doing that, but didn't complete the task. Any help is appreciated! -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 21:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Just letting you know that there is a number of old and unclosed A-Class reviews:
See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Article alerts#ACR. Thanks. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 08:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
G'day all; the Flight International 2011 World Airliner Census is now available online. The URL is:
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/reports_pdf/emptys/87145/world-airliner-census-2011.pdf
YSSYguy ( talk) 07:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Sukhoi Su-33 is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 17:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
If you refer to commons:User:Russavia#Aviation-related one can see a list of photographers from whom I have gained permission to upload photos to Commons...there are literally tens of thousands of photos which are now available. Some images from airliners.net such as this have the airliners.net watermark on them, and what is needed is someone who is a paid member of airliners.net who can obtain the image without the watermark. Of course, there are going to be quite a few which will be like this, so I can always create a category on Commons where such images can be placed, and a volunteer can go thru them as needed and replace the images with the non-watermark version. Is there anyone here who is a member and is able to help out with this as needed? -- Russavia Let's dialogue 07:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
This has come up countless times before and now it is being discussed in a an article review as well. What should be OUR policy of dates, especially when a great deal of American writers insist on only using M/D/Y under the belief in WP:DATE that the first major contributor's "style" should predominate, from that point on and ad infinitum, apparently. Excuse the flippancy, but two articles have now emerged on Zeppelin airships (Hindenburg and Graf Zeppelin) that features the New York Times articles cited in M/D/Y and the London Times in D/M/Y, rather than being consistently one style throughout. The rest of the article is uniformly in an US-centric style for dates and presumably spelling conventions. The date convention I understand is to use military style dating (again D/M/Y) for military subjects, US "popular" style, M/D/Y for US civil subjects and the "international" style (again D/M/Y) for all non-US subjects. Please comment and is it time for a clearly-set out statement to appear in our own style guide, to use in instances such as creating a new article, or updating a current article. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC).
My personal understanding is that a topic/region association trumps "I got here first" for date formatting. If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. (italics mine). I believe that the latter condition is to stop edit-warring on articles where there is no national association to the topic (i.e Novel should go by the rule of first, while a Discworld novel should be DMY). -- saberwyn 23:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
There was a short edit war on Munich air disaster. Members of your project might have some input. Agathoclea ( talk) 17:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caribbean Airlines Flight 523 (2nd nomination). - Ahunt ( talk) 15:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello!
I am a member of WikiProject Toronto and I was going through the mentioned article. I honestly believe it deserves more than a Start class. From our side, it is rated as B. I ask you to re-assess the article and to notify me immediately at
my Talk Page
Thanks!
Ossih (
Talk)
15:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
The A-class review for Boeing 767 is open at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Boeing 767. A notice posted days ago in WP:AIRCRAFT has yielded few responses, it would be greatly appreciated if there was more participation. Regards, SynergyStar ( talk) 02:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of aviation-related activity lately at Milhist's A-class review and FAC, and I see a lot of different editors making significant contributions in the article histories. That's a great thing, but I notice that there are a lot of little language and formatting issues that you guys haven't developed consensus on yet ... so one person will use a certain word or punctuation, someone else will revert, I'll do my copyeditor thing, and then my stuff gets rewritten when someone adds more material, and we start all over. The best of all possible worlds would be if we had a critical mass of aviation writers peeking in on either FAC or some A-class review process ... judging from what's happened over the last couple of years with Ships and Milhist FAs, consensus would evolve over time. - Dank ( push to talk) 13:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Here's another one: WP:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Lockheed Have Blue. Any thoughts on this one? Should it pass A-class? I'm inclined to oppose on lack of readability (because that's my area, not because it's the most important part of the review). The article isn't horrible, but there are problems, and I don't see what the point of A-class is, if it's not a forum where people in a wikiproject get together and hash things out. I don't see aviation editors involved in the review (other than Sturmvogel, and that's only a fly-by), and I don't think the writing comes close to the best writing I see coming out of the aviation project. I guess another way to put this is: it's not my business to be arbitrarily deciding what the best work of the aviation project is, without input from the project ... if I set a high bar, I'll just push people away for no reason, and if I set a low bar, then A-class will be meaningless (which is both the strength and weakness of A-class ... it's not well-defined, so it's whatever a wikiproject wants it to mean). And high bar or low bar, I won't be able to do a good job unless I get vigorous feedback in hundreds of reviews, so that I can learn about aviation in general and your project's consensus on a range of issues. So: I don't think I can justify supporting the nom, at least not without more input from your project, but I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
The P-51 Galloping Ghost crashed into the stands at the Reno Air Races, resulting in 100 casualties, including an unknown number of deaths (one source right now says 12). Nominated for ITN but obviously this is a breaking story and the details aren't out yet. N419 BH 01:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
What should flight line redirect to in this context? Marcus Qwertyus 20:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
The infobox "South African aircraft by decade of first flight" seen e.g. here: [2] would require an addition with the new decennium (2010s), but the template is a little complicated to edit. Could someone help adding it? -- MoRsE ( talk) 22:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
While Aviation accidents and incidents are classified by country, there is no category for those that happen over the ocean, in international waters. Hence I suggest that we have new categories: Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Atlantic Ocean, Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Pacific Ocean, Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Mediterranean Sea, Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Tasman Sea etc. They would be subcategories of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents and Category:Categories by body of water. Hugo999 ( talk) 22:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
"Spotchecks" are required at FAC, and this article is going to need help, probably from someone with access to at least one of the sources in this article. See the link to Phil's talk page for details. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:33, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I have sent him five edits with the original sources to compare. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 00:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC).
Following a debate on User_talk:Huaiwei#Airline_destination_articles, I've filed an RfC on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Lists concerning how Hong Kong and Macau should be listed in aviation-related lists on Wikipedia. Please comment there. Der yck C. 15:03, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacobson Flare. - Ahunt ( talk) 22:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
The AeroUnion Flight 302 article has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 17:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Can you look at my question there? Thanks, Ofekalef ( talk) 17:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
BTW, if you haven't noticed, the book reports for Wikipedia books have been extensively tweaked to help editors assess and cleanup articles. See for example Book talk:Zeppelins#Book report. Features include breakdowns of article assessments, lists of cleanup tags found in the article, lists of non-free media, and a bunch of links to tools likes the external links inspector or the disambiguation fixer. Those are automatically updated by User:NoomBot every few days. Many books are created at WP:FTC, but you don't need to way until then to gain their benefits. Just thought I'd let you know. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 06:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triangle control frame (2nd nomination). - Ahunt ( talk) 12:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys! Continental has now moved the headquarters to Chicago!
It still has employees in Houston, but now it's Chicago-based. WhisperToMe ( talk) 13:35, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I discovered Aerospace in Hawaii at the speedy-deletion list, and I thought it might be workable as an article if changed to Aviation history of Hawaii. I've moved the article to that name, but it needs LOTS AND LOTS of work that I can't provide (not being knowledgeable on the subject), so I'm tossing it to y'all to do what you can with it. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
The featured article candidacy for McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Sp33dyphil " Ad astra" 02:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paragliding (police work). - Ahunt ( talk) 20:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I see you folks have a nifty CfD alert section but I can't figure out how to use it, so let me just mention that we have two unpowered aviation-related CfDs ongoing: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_October_21#Category:Deaths_by_hang_gliding and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_October_17#Category:Deaths_by_paragliding. The categories were created by the same editor as Paragliding (police work). Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 04:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Napier. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm just coming by to apologize ... I opposed this article at FAC, and I'm sorry I didn't have enough time to go back and detail the problems. The biggest problem is that I haven't spent enough time getting comfortable with aviation articles to have a good sense of what trade-offs are possible, or to act as an advocate for your ways of doing things. Btw, I think Sandy's point was pretty solid ... it's right there in WP:V that any text in an article can be challenged by anybody, and if it's not citable, it's toast (with exceptions for the blindingly obvious or trivial, and there's an understanding that the supporting citations will be on the other side of the link for navboxes and such). But my oppose was mainly to back up John's oppose ... he has a very good sense of FAC standards, I agreed with his call, and I didn't see a promotion coming for this article.
A lot of people have put a huge amount of time into making Milhist's A-class a hospitable and productive place, and I really think you'd all be happy with the results if we had more participation there from a broader range of aviation-savvy editors. And if that happens, then eventually, FAC might seem like less of a hostile jungle. (Or not, which would be fine, of course ... I don't know anyone who thinks that every project is supposed to aspire to greatness at FAC, it can be more of a hassle than it's worth.) I should have more time available to tackle aviation articles in more depth in December. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Please help resolve a problem here. Is the manufacturer the company that owns the intellectual property rights of the design or is it the company that does the physical work of building the plane? Roger ( talk) 18:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
A discussion regarding Tadeusz Wrona (aviator), the pilot involved in LOT Polish Airlines Flight 16 is taking place at Talk:LOT Polish Airlines Flight 16#Merge proposal. If anyone has any comments on this proposal, your input is of course welcomed. Russavia Let's dialogue 21:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
This article has been requested to be moved to wiktionary, so some advice would be needed on that talk page. Thank you, Comte0 ( talk) 15:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I've just redirected it. Thank you for the comments. Regards, Comte0 ( talk) 16:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Hawke's Bay. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. I'm leaving a pointer here, but let's try keep this in one place. Thanks, ASCIIn2Bme ( talk) 17:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the use of this reference, which is used extensively in a number of aviation articles, over at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#A_Tradition_of_Excellence. - Ahunt ( talk) 16:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southside Composite Squadron if anybody is interested in taking a look. Safiel ( talk) 04:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the article about him is at Roland Garros (aviator), with Roland Garros being a dab page...for articles about things named after him. Shouldn't he be the primary topic, then? - The Bushranger One ping only 01:52, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I've Proposed deletion of List of books about kites as an indiscriminate list, and having read the Bibliogrpahy projects guidelines as not having established notability. Opinions welcome. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 09:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
...specifically, the removal of the 7500 code from the Transponder (aviation) article... - The Bushranger One ping only 03:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I point out a discussion I started here about Boeing YB-9 article. I suggest the name should be changed. Thank you. -- Leo Pasini ( talk) 07:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
G'day from Oz, could one or more of the UK-based chappies have a look at new article British Airways Club World Business; am I incorrect in thinking that Club World Business is just BA's name for its business class? YSSYguy ( talk) 01:26, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I have just modified Boeing 737 Next Generation to use {{ Timeline-event}} for its list of incidents ( Diff). This ensures consistency of formatting, and the emission of event metadata. Please consider adopting this as a standard for your project; an let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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Start date}} sub-template. The event template has examples of both uses.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
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We really need to come up with an established consensus guidelines for how to handle airline mergers. We seem to go through lots of stress, bickering, and edit warring, having the same discussions over and over again every time it happens. We're doing it now with United/Continental, we dealt with it before with Delta/Northwest and US Airways/America West, and we'll do it all over again with Southwest/AirTran. We should address things like (using UA/CO as an example here):
Every merger process might still have its own quirks, but guidelines keyed to common events in any merger should help make things easier in the future. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 20:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Several editors have decided to start a Commons Aviation WikiProject which is going to be devoted to aviation-related content on Commons; Commons:Commons:WikiProject_Aviation. Some of the main tasks for the project include maintaining and sorting aviation content, as well as working on obtaining permission from photographers to upload their photos to Commons, in addition to working on introducing photographers to Commons to get them to upload photos directly to Commons. There is a discussion at Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation at which we are trying to ascertain what the needs of the community-at-large are, so please feel free to join in the discussion. Also, if there are any project members who are willing to do some translation work for us that would be great. See Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Translations for more info. Also, anyone with scripting knowledge would be welcome, as there are some ideas which would require such expertise. Look forward to hearing from project members over on Commons with any ideas, etc. Please feel free to translate this message as needed. Cheers, Y u no be Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 14:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
The featured article candidacy for Boeing 767 is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 22:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Eventhough United and Continental operate under one single certificate, Continental ceased operations on November 30, 2011 (the date when they got the single certificate). However, Continental was removed as a member on the Star Alliance page. Their website still has Continental listed as a member despite ceasing operations and there is already a note stating that. Snoozlepet ( talk) 23:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
{{ Out of date aeronautical chart}} has been nominated for deletion. Do we have any aeronautical charts (in File-namespace) on Wikipedia? I expect they'll have all expired, so should have some warning on them. 76.65.128.198 ( talk) 06:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
As we have a growing trend to turn some articles into image galleries I notice that these tables are populated with images of "example" types that dont actually show the aircraft or air force or operator but just a pretty picture of the type. If we are to use images in tables should we not be encyclopedic and insist on the correct image rather than any old picture? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
There was a Kyrgyzstan (airline) accident. Everyone survived:
The Interstate Aviation Committee is going to be investigating the incident. It's nice how it now has an article in Kyrghz as well as English and Russian. WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Please see User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help make the National Archives ExtravaSCANza a success, in the hope that such events will continue in the future. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi there AVIATION folks, just to let you know that there's a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rocketry#Project abolishment? regarding the abolishment of WikiProject Rocketry, with the suggestion being that its duties be divided up between WP:SPACEFLIGHT, WP:MILHIST and WP:AVIATION. As such, input from editors in this project would be appreciated to determine whether consensus is for the project to be abolished and if so how its duties should be divvied up between the projects. All views welcome! :-) Colds7ream ( talk) 17:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
A balloon crash in New Zealand has killed eleven people. This is very rare for a balloon crash. Is there consensus among members of this WikiProject that the accident is notable enough to sustain a stand-alone article. I know the ASN Wiki-base is not a reliable source, but those linked from it are. Mjroots ( talk) 23:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi, is this some kind a joke that we can't upload to the Commons the RSAF's two roundels (or one)? [5] [6] I can't use them in the Hungarian wiki. A few years ago I used the RSAF Roundel.svg file, but I see it's gone. It is on the list, but we can use it only here in en.wiki. Can we do something (could use any other laguages)? -- Gyantusz ( 188.142.193.35 ( talk) 23:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC))
There is currently a discussion at Template talk:Convert#Flight Level. Please comment there. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 18:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier has been tagged foe this project. Is that correct I can obviously see the link, but can find nothing here to confirm that's normal. Jim Sweeney ( talk) 14:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Should Category:Aircraft carriers be listed in Category:Airports? Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Greetings! A stub template or category which you created has been nominated for renaming or deletion at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type most likely doesn't meet Wikipedia requirements for a stub type, through failure to meet standards relating to the name, scope, current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals! This message is a boilerplate, left here as a courtesy, and should not be considered personal in nature. Dawynn ( talk) 03:01, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I noticed something: The English Wikipedia has Command Airways, a US airline - Even though it has an ES link. The ES link leads to a different airline: This es:Command Airways (Sudáfrica) is a South African airline. Seemingly unrelated. Its only interwiki link is to the American airline
Are they both real? If so, should we start moving things around? WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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A plane crash just happened in Argentina. The Spanish Wikipedia has es:Vuelo 5428 de Sol - The English Wikipedia will need an article too
BTW I took the liberty of archiving the airline's press releases at Talk:Sol Líneas Aéreas - Please continue to archive any new ones, and use http://www.webcitation.org/archive to archive them - For some reason archiving the pages doesn't work, so please archive the individual image files WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
BTW, of the pax, all except for one used Argentine ID cards. One used a passport. Eduardo Musacchio had the passport ID 5187151, according to http://www.sol.com.ar/site/new/img_noticias/20110519060512.jpg - So what would his nationality be? WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently there is a lack of consensus on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hawker Siddeley Harrier review page; if somebody could spare the time to look over the article and deliver their opinion, that would be great. I would prefer, if the review if to fail and not pass, to fail because people through it was deliberately not ready, rather than simply because not enough concluding views were arrived at. Thanks. Kyteto ( talk) 15:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
RFCs have been opened on the use of flagicons in lists and in Infoboxes. Mjroots ( talk) 16:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Based on http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2000/5y-n000130a/pdf/5y-n000130a.pdf (Pages 100-103 shows individual committee members)
Is the investigating agency of this accident simply the ministry of transport of the Ivory Coast, or is it specifically the Ivorian ANAC? The committee members look like a jumble of civilian and transport ministry people, and the report is headed (in the French version) as simply being done by the ministry of transport
In light of this, is the ministry itself the accident investigation agency of the Ivory Coast? WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The noticeboard at the top of this page seems to have missed the Airbus A330 FAC. The page is located at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Airbus A330/archive3. Can some rectify this? Sp33dyphil Ready • to • Rumble 11:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if it is possible or necessary to write an article on unapproved aircraft parts
YSSYGuy recommended that I look into the subject. I found:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
As I have said, there is a lot of material out there, but at the moment I am not in the position to go through any of my collection to look for it. Search for "bogus part" as well. YSSYguy ( talk) 00:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
The Spanish CIAIAC only has a Spanish version of the Tenerife airport disaster final accident report available on its website.
Did a third party agency ( NTSB, the Netherlands) translate the Spanish report into English? WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Good luck. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
When I researched the Lauda Air Flight 004 crash, I found that Hiroshi Sogame (十亀 洋) was the guy who put the English version of the Thai Government final report online. Sogame was a member of the All Nippon Airways Safety Committee.
When searching for Sogame's kanji, I found: " Why Airplanes Crash? - Human Factors Consideration in Airline Safety Management -" ( Archive) (Japanese: 飛行機はなぜ墜ちるか─航空安全のシステ ) - It was in Nagare (ながれ - English-Japanese dictionaries says this means "flow/flowing") 21 (2002) 274-279. The article is in Japanese, but it could be helpful anyway to ENWiki (after all foreign language material is used as sources), and it could also help the Japanese Wikipedia
WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I would like to locate the following accident reports:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Gimli Glider has been requested to be renamed as the flight number (which is still in use by Air Canada) 65.94.44.141 ( talk) 05:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The usage of Thunderbirds is under discussion, see Talk:Thunderbirds (TV series) and WP:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_May_27#Thunderbirds, for the two discussions underway. As the Thunderbirds are the USAF performance aerobatics team, I thought I'd let you know. 184.144.166.87 ( talk) 06:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Air travel disruption. Since you had some involvement with the Air travel disruption redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 10:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Anyhow, I think the NTSB stuff should teach us a lesson regarding sourcing. Unless it's a newspaper/journalism document, we should take care to archive stuff on webcitation.org (even if its development is finished) so that we can easily access materials. Also if robots.txt gets put on a site, it won't affect any copies archived on webcitation.org.
Here is an example of one of the archiving drives I did on a particular accident: Talk:Flash_Airlines_Flight_604#Archives - I targeted the Egyptian and French agency websites. I did every page, in every language, in every subject.
My suggestion is, in regards to investigation agency websites, to begin archiving once the final report is out. For airlines and third parties, a good time may be to do the archiving sooner than that... WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
We have a persistent editor who continuously removed over 100 airline names off flag carrier [1] because he claimed that it failed to meet "the burden of evidence". When a link is provided to back up those facts, he refuses to get to the point and continues to push his personal POV. Furthermore, the entries of those airlines he removed had articles on Wikipedia which clearly stated that they are in fact flag carriers. Can someone take a look? OhanaUnited Talk page 00:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello OhanaUnited. Although I will assume good faith, I am disappointed that on this page you claimed my edits were disruptive without continuing our discussion on the talk page of the article in question. I stand by my comment that the web site you provided does not back up the opinion that the airlines are flag carriers.
To summarise my comments on the talk page: (1) The web site you listed does confirm that some of the airlines are flag carriers, however it does not do this for all airlines. (2) The web site you listed is not reliable: as per its [ about page], it is a travel image web site, not a web site commentating on the airline industry. It should not be used as a source for the entire table, because this then allows anyone to make future edits to the table without citing sources. (3) Yes, entries on Wikipedia for the individual airlines do state that they are flag carriers. However, these articles' statements do not provide sources as to why the airlines are flag carriers. Gfcvoice ( talk) 04:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I strongly disagree with your assertions that the flag carrier table was unchallenged. The talk page for the Flag Carrier article has several discussions regarding problems with the table over many years. I note that following one such discussion (to use just one example), on 17 July 2009, user Colonel Warden removed the table completely. Please refer to the article's talk page for additional examples of similar challenges to the content.
Furthermore, the entire article has been tagged with a "needs citations" banner since December 2009 and the table itself had a "needs citation" banner from February 2010, until I removed the unsourced material.
Regarding the individual articles related to the individual carriers: first of all I don't believe that the content of these individual articles is relevant to the discussion of the Flag Carrier article. The flag carrier article itself should contain verifiable content on a stand-alone basis.
I agree that the content in the individual airline articles has (so far) remained unchallenged. However this does not mean that the content has been actively accepted as encyclopedic content. As you would be aware, Wikipedia is has many articles containing unverified content. This does not exempt other articles (such as but not limited to the Flag Carrier article) from the requirement to verify content. Gfcvoice ( talk) 06:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I note that editor "Sunray" has made some constructive comments on the flag carrier [ talk page]. In order to keep the discussion in one place, I suggest that all further discussion takes place on that talk page. Gfcvoice ( talk) 21:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we please have some eyes on the 2009 Iranian Air Force mid-air collision ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. A content dispute has broken out. Per WP:EW, I'm not going to make any more reverts, but I have asked for a course of action on the talk page, which another editor has backed, but he also cannot do for the same reason. Mjroots ( talk) 22:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#What is this plane?. Beeblebrox ( talk) 07:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Ever heard of the Pugachev's Cobra? Ever heard of a Sukhoi, or a MiG? Ever heard of "Foxbats", "Flankers", "Fulcrums", or Fullback"? Do you know what they are? Do you know what the Soviet aerospace industry is like? Do you know who the Americans really fear? Do you know how much headache it caused to the West? Do you know how much attention the fighters are getting? If the answer is NO, then there are clearly some catching up to do. During the next few days, I'll be working on the MiG-29K, Su-34, Su-35 and Su-37. I want to bring them all up to the same standard as the Su-33. If you want to participate, please come along and help out. Don't be hesitant. Give the Soviet aerospace industry the recognition it really deserves. Sp33dyphil " Ad astra" 11:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears that an editor with (perhaps) personal knowledge is contributing to the editing and changing statements substantially. Can anyone help here? FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC).
I was watching Captured! the other night. The bombers used in the mass escape at the end look like Gotha G.Vs (or earlier models) to me, but I'm no expert. Could somebody confirm/shoot down this ID? Clarityfiend ( talk) 02:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
G'day all, Douglas DC-7B N836D and Seaboard World Airlines landing at Marble Mountain have been nominated for deletion. YSSYguy ( talk) 14:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlanta Pilot Training. - Ahunt ( talk) 17:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Hiya. Not really familiar with airports and stuff, and came across a problem this morning on Charles de Gaulle Airport#Airlines and destinations. There seems to be a malforemd template instance of {{ Airport-dest-list}}. I have no experience in this area and hoped that one of the experts here might be willing to take a look. The article also has a citation error in the references, but I think the ref in question may be located within the malformed template. Not 100% on that, but it looks like it. Could someone have a look please? Thks Fmph ( talk) 09:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I created List of airline flights that required gliding yesterday and would like to hand it off to y'all. Not sure if that's the best title, but it's pretty descriptive. I started the list by removing the "Similar incidents" section from Gimli Glider, and I'm sure there is a lot more that could be added to it. Enjoy! howcheng { chat} 02:07, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trent Valley Gliding Club. - Ahunt ( talk) 17:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed there are many articles under the aviation section in the infobox watch project that require infoboxes. Any help would be appreciated. The link is provided below:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category:Aviation_articles_needing_infoboxes
Thanks, Ygolovk ( talk) 06:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
G'day all, a discussion concerning the formatting of the aviation accidents and incidents templates has been initiated at Template talk:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2011. There is evident confusion over the significance of the current bold smallcaps and italic formatting, as Users keep removing it; and the discusion concerns formatting the templates a different way. YSSYguy ( talk) 00:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
The NTSB just changed around its website. Unfortunately it meant collections related to various acc idents went down
And they put this robots.txt file on its page: http://www.ntsb.gov/robots.txt This file is preventing view of archives at web.archive.org
We need to pressure the NTSB into removing or altering the file so archives are not blocked. The NTSB is a US government agency, and all of its documents are in the public domain. It has no reason to prevent the viewing of these pages.
Also if/when robots.txt is removed, we need to archive all of the files related to several accidents so this can't happen again.
Some stuff is still left on Google cache. I would be happy to try uploading some of it onto the Commons.
In the future, please archive all documents related to an accident on http://www.webcitation.org so that no agency/company/whatever can block it on robots.txt WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Great news! I found the University of Bielefeld in Germany copied much of the KAL801 stuff off of the NTSB website: http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/Incidents/NoMirror/NTSB/Guam/COPY/default.htm WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The Egyptian government Egyptair 990 report at http://www.ntsb.gov/events/ea990/docket/ecaa_report.pdf has been taken down by the NTSB, and the NTSB blocked the archive of the website via robots.txt.
Do you have a copy of the report? Do you know where a copy of it is online? WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Good news, folks! The robots.txt file must have been modified, as the archives are available again! WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
G'day, this is to inform interested parties that the article about Northwest Travel Services - an airport ground-handling company and freight agent - is at AfD. YSSYguy ( talk) 14:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Time for folks to take a look at this article, being significantly improved as of 4 August 2011, but still a looming dispute over whether Foss can be described as the American "ace-of-aces." FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 22:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC).
G'day all, the Light-sport aircraft article appears to be in need of rather a lot of work. It is written as if the term is only in use in the USA, except for some changes I have made to the lede; it has only one reference - which I added a short time ago; and I'm not sure about the name itself, I am more familiar with Light sport aircraft rather than the hyphenated presentation used at the moment. If you think there is a different approach that would work better, feel free to revert my edit :-). Cheers YSSYguy ( talk) 01:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
The 2011 NATO helicopter crash has been nominated for deletion Mjroots ( talk) 13:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
For those interested, the following articles are at AfD:
G'day all, I came across 1985 Aeroflot Antonov An-12 shoot-down (renamed to this by me as 'Aeroflot' was in quotation marks) a short time ago. There's an interesting little situation with this; the ASN database actually has this as a Soviet Air Force aircraft and the article is basically devoid of references (those being given having nothing to do with the actual circumstances of the incident), but leaving those issues - which can possibly be fixed - aside, the article's creator has declared a COI here, and the article itself is word-for-word the same as this page apparently also written by him and given as a link in the 'External links' section of the article. Judging from the article history the WarInAngola website article was copied to WP rather the other way around. The WarInAngola website copyright notice states among other things:
"Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person to deal in this content without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, or sublicense copies of the content of this site, except that content that are expressly stated as subject to copyright by any third parties, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of any content utilized from this site"
which I suppose means that WP:COPYVIO is not an issue, unless attribution to the site is not possible under WP's rules. However IMHO this article basically comes under WP:OR with the 'source' website having problems meeting WP:RS as well. An article on this subject might well be worth having on WP, but IMO this isn't it, and I'm inclined to put it up for AfD and someone starting again under a more accurate name if consensus is that the subject is notable enough for recording outside the Antonov An-12 article. Thoughts? YSSYguy ( talk) 01:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hawke's Bay & East Coast Aero Club. - Ahunt ( talk) 15:42, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi all,
On
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports, there was a slight disagreement concerning when it's appropriate to mention the year (not just the month) that an airline starts serving an airport with some new route. I provided a
third opinion but as the question affects quite a lot of articles, and there was mention of some prior consensus and a suggestion that a new consensus be sought, I think it might be a good idea to have input from others. What do you all think? Is it always/sometimes/never appropriate to say that a route "Starts February" rather than "Starts February 2012"?
Please reply over at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Years for Start Dates (Oh my Lord! Here we go again!).
bobrayner (
talk)
19:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I've marked List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1925–1939) as preferably being merged into List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1925–1934) and List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1935–1939). It looks like someone may have started doing that, but didn't complete the task. Any help is appreciated! -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 21:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Just letting you know that there is a number of old and unclosed A-Class reviews:
See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Article alerts#ACR. Thanks. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 08:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
G'day all; the Flight International 2011 World Airliner Census is now available online. The URL is:
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/reports_pdf/emptys/87145/world-airliner-census-2011.pdf
YSSYguy ( talk) 07:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Sukhoi Su-33 is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 17:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
If you refer to commons:User:Russavia#Aviation-related one can see a list of photographers from whom I have gained permission to upload photos to Commons...there are literally tens of thousands of photos which are now available. Some images from airliners.net such as this have the airliners.net watermark on them, and what is needed is someone who is a paid member of airliners.net who can obtain the image without the watermark. Of course, there are going to be quite a few which will be like this, so I can always create a category on Commons where such images can be placed, and a volunteer can go thru them as needed and replace the images with the non-watermark version. Is there anyone here who is a member and is able to help out with this as needed? -- Russavia Let's dialogue 07:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
This has come up countless times before and now it is being discussed in a an article review as well. What should be OUR policy of dates, especially when a great deal of American writers insist on only using M/D/Y under the belief in WP:DATE that the first major contributor's "style" should predominate, from that point on and ad infinitum, apparently. Excuse the flippancy, but two articles have now emerged on Zeppelin airships (Hindenburg and Graf Zeppelin) that features the New York Times articles cited in M/D/Y and the London Times in D/M/Y, rather than being consistently one style throughout. The rest of the article is uniformly in an US-centric style for dates and presumably spelling conventions. The date convention I understand is to use military style dating (again D/M/Y) for military subjects, US "popular" style, M/D/Y for US civil subjects and the "international" style (again D/M/Y) for all non-US subjects. Please comment and is it time for a clearly-set out statement to appear in our own style guide, to use in instances such as creating a new article, or updating a current article. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC).
My personal understanding is that a topic/region association trumps "I got here first" for date formatting. If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. (italics mine). I believe that the latter condition is to stop edit-warring on articles where there is no national association to the topic (i.e Novel should go by the rule of first, while a Discworld novel should be DMY). -- saberwyn 23:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
There was a short edit war on Munich air disaster. Members of your project might have some input. Agathoclea ( talk) 17:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caribbean Airlines Flight 523 (2nd nomination). - Ahunt ( talk) 15:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello!
I am a member of WikiProject Toronto and I was going through the mentioned article. I honestly believe it deserves more than a Start class. From our side, it is rated as B. I ask you to re-assess the article and to notify me immediately at
my Talk Page
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The A-class review for Boeing 767 is open at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Boeing 767. A notice posted days ago in WP:AIRCRAFT has yielded few responses, it would be greatly appreciated if there was more participation. Regards, SynergyStar ( talk) 02:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of aviation-related activity lately at Milhist's A-class review and FAC, and I see a lot of different editors making significant contributions in the article histories. That's a great thing, but I notice that there are a lot of little language and formatting issues that you guys haven't developed consensus on yet ... so one person will use a certain word or punctuation, someone else will revert, I'll do my copyeditor thing, and then my stuff gets rewritten when someone adds more material, and we start all over. The best of all possible worlds would be if we had a critical mass of aviation writers peeking in on either FAC or some A-class review process ... judging from what's happened over the last couple of years with Ships and Milhist FAs, consensus would evolve over time. - Dank ( push to talk) 13:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Here's another one: WP:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Lockheed Have Blue. Any thoughts on this one? Should it pass A-class? I'm inclined to oppose on lack of readability (because that's my area, not because it's the most important part of the review). The article isn't horrible, but there are problems, and I don't see what the point of A-class is, if it's not a forum where people in a wikiproject get together and hash things out. I don't see aviation editors involved in the review (other than Sturmvogel, and that's only a fly-by), and I don't think the writing comes close to the best writing I see coming out of the aviation project. I guess another way to put this is: it's not my business to be arbitrarily deciding what the best work of the aviation project is, without input from the project ... if I set a high bar, I'll just push people away for no reason, and if I set a low bar, then A-class will be meaningless (which is both the strength and weakness of A-class ... it's not well-defined, so it's whatever a wikiproject wants it to mean). And high bar or low bar, I won't be able to do a good job unless I get vigorous feedback in hundreds of reviews, so that I can learn about aviation in general and your project's consensus on a range of issues. So: I don't think I can justify supporting the nom, at least not without more input from your project, but I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
The P-51 Galloping Ghost crashed into the stands at the Reno Air Races, resulting in 100 casualties, including an unknown number of deaths (one source right now says 12). Nominated for ITN but obviously this is a breaking story and the details aren't out yet. N419 BH 01:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
What should flight line redirect to in this context? Marcus Qwertyus 20:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
The infobox "South African aircraft by decade of first flight" seen e.g. here: [2] would require an addition with the new decennium (2010s), but the template is a little complicated to edit. Could someone help adding it? -- MoRsE ( talk) 22:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
While Aviation accidents and incidents are classified by country, there is no category for those that happen over the ocean, in international waters. Hence I suggest that we have new categories: Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Atlantic Ocean, Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Pacific Ocean, Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Mediterranean Sea, Category:Aviation accidents and incidents over the Tasman Sea etc. They would be subcategories of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents and Category:Categories by body of water. Hugo999 ( talk) 22:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
"Spotchecks" are required at FAC, and this article is going to need help, probably from someone with access to at least one of the sources in this article. See the link to Phil's talk page for details. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:33, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I have sent him five edits with the original sources to compare. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 00:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC).
Following a debate on User_talk:Huaiwei#Airline_destination_articles, I've filed an RfC on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Lists concerning how Hong Kong and Macau should be listed in aviation-related lists on Wikipedia. Please comment there. Der yck C. 15:03, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacobson Flare. - Ahunt ( talk) 22:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
The AeroUnion Flight 302 article has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots ( talk) 17:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Can you look at my question there? Thanks, Ofekalef ( talk) 17:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
BTW, if you haven't noticed, the book reports for Wikipedia books have been extensively tweaked to help editors assess and cleanup articles. See for example Book talk:Zeppelins#Book report. Features include breakdowns of article assessments, lists of cleanup tags found in the article, lists of non-free media, and a bunch of links to tools likes the external links inspector or the disambiguation fixer. Those are automatically updated by User:NoomBot every few days. Many books are created at WP:FTC, but you don't need to way until then to gain their benefits. Just thought I'd let you know. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 06:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triangle control frame (2nd nomination). - Ahunt ( talk) 12:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys! Continental has now moved the headquarters to Chicago!
It still has employees in Houston, but now it's Chicago-based. WhisperToMe ( talk) 13:35, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I discovered Aerospace in Hawaii at the speedy-deletion list, and I thought it might be workable as an article if changed to Aviation history of Hawaii. I've moved the article to that name, but it needs LOTS AND LOTS of work that I can't provide (not being knowledgeable on the subject), so I'm tossing it to y'all to do what you can with it. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
The featured article candidacy for McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Sp33dyphil " Ad astra" 02:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paragliding (police work). - Ahunt ( talk) 20:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I see you folks have a nifty CfD alert section but I can't figure out how to use it, so let me just mention that we have two unpowered aviation-related CfDs ongoing: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_October_21#Category:Deaths_by_hang_gliding and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_October_17#Category:Deaths_by_paragliding. The categories were created by the same editor as Paragliding (police work). Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 04:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Napier. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm just coming by to apologize ... I opposed this article at FAC, and I'm sorry I didn't have enough time to go back and detail the problems. The biggest problem is that I haven't spent enough time getting comfortable with aviation articles to have a good sense of what trade-offs are possible, or to act as an advocate for your ways of doing things. Btw, I think Sandy's point was pretty solid ... it's right there in WP:V that any text in an article can be challenged by anybody, and if it's not citable, it's toast (with exceptions for the blindingly obvious or trivial, and there's an understanding that the supporting citations will be on the other side of the link for navboxes and such). But my oppose was mainly to back up John's oppose ... he has a very good sense of FAC standards, I agreed with his call, and I didn't see a promotion coming for this article.
A lot of people have put a huge amount of time into making Milhist's A-class a hospitable and productive place, and I really think you'd all be happy with the results if we had more participation there from a broader range of aviation-savvy editors. And if that happens, then eventually, FAC might seem like less of a hostile jungle. (Or not, which would be fine, of course ... I don't know anyone who thinks that every project is supposed to aspire to greatness at FAC, it can be more of a hassle than it's worth.) I should have more time available to tackle aviation articles in more depth in December. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Please help resolve a problem here. Is the manufacturer the company that owns the intellectual property rights of the design or is it the company that does the physical work of building the plane? Roger ( talk) 18:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
A discussion regarding Tadeusz Wrona (aviator), the pilot involved in LOT Polish Airlines Flight 16 is taking place at Talk:LOT Polish Airlines Flight 16#Merge proposal. If anyone has any comments on this proposal, your input is of course welcomed. Russavia Let's dialogue 21:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
This article has been requested to be moved to wiktionary, so some advice would be needed on that talk page. Thank you, Comte0 ( talk) 15:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I've just redirected it. Thank you for the comments. Regards, Comte0 ( talk) 16:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Hawke's Bay. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. I'm leaving a pointer here, but let's try keep this in one place. Thanks, ASCIIn2Bme ( talk) 17:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the use of this reference, which is used extensively in a number of aviation articles, over at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#A_Tradition_of_Excellence. - Ahunt ( talk) 16:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southside Composite Squadron if anybody is interested in taking a look. Safiel ( talk) 04:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the article about him is at Roland Garros (aviator), with Roland Garros being a dab page...for articles about things named after him. Shouldn't he be the primary topic, then? - The Bushranger One ping only 01:52, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I've Proposed deletion of List of books about kites as an indiscriminate list, and having read the Bibliogrpahy projects guidelines as not having established notability. Opinions welcome. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 09:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
...specifically, the removal of the 7500 code from the Transponder (aviation) article... - The Bushranger One ping only 03:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I point out a discussion I started here about Boeing YB-9 article. I suggest the name should be changed. Thank you. -- Leo Pasini ( talk) 07:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
G'day from Oz, could one or more of the UK-based chappies have a look at new article British Airways Club World Business; am I incorrect in thinking that Club World Business is just BA's name for its business class? YSSYguy ( talk) 01:26, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I have just modified Boeing 737 Next Generation to use {{ Timeline-event}} for its list of incidents ( Diff). This ensures consistency of formatting, and the emission of event metadata. Please consider adopting this as a standard for your project; an let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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We really need to come up with an established consensus guidelines for how to handle airline mergers. We seem to go through lots of stress, bickering, and edit warring, having the same discussions over and over again every time it happens. We're doing it now with United/Continental, we dealt with it before with Delta/Northwest and US Airways/America West, and we'll do it all over again with Southwest/AirTran. We should address things like (using UA/CO as an example here):
Every merger process might still have its own quirks, but guidelines keyed to common events in any merger should help make things easier in the future. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 20:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Several editors have decided to start a Commons Aviation WikiProject which is going to be devoted to aviation-related content on Commons; Commons:Commons:WikiProject_Aviation. Some of the main tasks for the project include maintaining and sorting aviation content, as well as working on obtaining permission from photographers to upload their photos to Commons, in addition to working on introducing photographers to Commons to get them to upload photos directly to Commons. There is a discussion at Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation at which we are trying to ascertain what the needs of the community-at-large are, so please feel free to join in the discussion. Also, if there are any project members who are willing to do some translation work for us that would be great. See Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Translations for more info. Also, anyone with scripting knowledge would be welcome, as there are some ideas which would require such expertise. Look forward to hearing from project members over on Commons with any ideas, etc. Please feel free to translate this message as needed. Cheers, Y u no be Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 14:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
The featured article candidacy for Boeing 767 is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 22:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Eventhough United and Continental operate under one single certificate, Continental ceased operations on November 30, 2011 (the date when they got the single certificate). However, Continental was removed as a member on the Star Alliance page. Their website still has Continental listed as a member despite ceasing operations and there is already a note stating that. Snoozlepet ( talk) 23:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
{{ Out of date aeronautical chart}} has been nominated for deletion. Do we have any aeronautical charts (in File-namespace) on Wikipedia? I expect they'll have all expired, so should have some warning on them. 76.65.128.198 ( talk) 06:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
As we have a growing trend to turn some articles into image galleries I notice that these tables are populated with images of "example" types that dont actually show the aircraft or air force or operator but just a pretty picture of the type. If we are to use images in tables should we not be encyclopedic and insist on the correct image rather than any old picture? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
There was a Kyrgyzstan (airline) accident. Everyone survived:
The Interstate Aviation Committee is going to be investigating the incident. It's nice how it now has an article in Kyrghz as well as English and Russian. WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Please see User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help make the National Archives ExtravaSCANza a success, in the hope that such events will continue in the future. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi there AVIATION folks, just to let you know that there's a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rocketry#Project abolishment? regarding the abolishment of WikiProject Rocketry, with the suggestion being that its duties be divided up between WP:SPACEFLIGHT, WP:MILHIST and WP:AVIATION. As such, input from editors in this project would be appreciated to determine whether consensus is for the project to be abolished and if so how its duties should be divvied up between the projects. All views welcome! :-) Colds7ream ( talk) 17:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
A balloon crash in New Zealand has killed eleven people. This is very rare for a balloon crash. Is there consensus among members of this WikiProject that the accident is notable enough to sustain a stand-alone article. I know the ASN Wiki-base is not a reliable source, but those linked from it are. Mjroots ( talk) 23:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi, is this some kind a joke that we can't upload to the Commons the RSAF's two roundels (or one)? [5] [6] I can't use them in the Hungarian wiki. A few years ago I used the RSAF Roundel.svg file, but I see it's gone. It is on the list, but we can use it only here in en.wiki. Can we do something (could use any other laguages)? -- Gyantusz ( 188.142.193.35 ( talk) 23:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC))
There is currently a discussion at Template talk:Convert#Flight Level. Please comment there. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 18:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier has been tagged foe this project. Is that correct I can obviously see the link, but can find nothing here to confirm that's normal. Jim Sweeney ( talk) 14:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Should Category:Aircraft carriers be listed in Category:Airports? Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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I noticed something: The English Wikipedia has Command Airways, a US airline - Even though it has an ES link. The ES link leads to a different airline: This es:Command Airways (Sudáfrica) is a South African airline. Seemingly unrelated. Its only interwiki link is to the American airline
Are they both real? If so, should we start moving things around? WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)