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Has anybody considered the possibility of adding a list of former flag carriers from every country. Nombreungenio ( talk) 05:01, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
How about the flag carriers for the United States, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay and East Timor? None? Kenwick ( talk) 05:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
MilborneOne ( talk) 18:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Dear sir or madam, According to [1], Latam Brazil is the flag carrier of Brazil, is this accurate? PatrickChiao ( talk) 05:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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Brazil hasn't a flag carrier. This isn't a valid source, it didn't show any solid info on why the company should be classified as a "flag carrier". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hesteriana ( talk • contribs) 06:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
The Italian government has recently taken over Alitalia again as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic's impact on air travel. [1] Would like to request if the corresponding entry on the table can be edited to reflect this as such. Thanks.
Example (no references used):
Italy | Alitalia | State-owned | Previously state-owned until 2008, and indirectly controlled through a state-owned company since 2013. Was previously the minority (19.48%). |
— Mr. Lechkar ( talk) 16:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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Australian flag carrier is only QANTAS, but there is note that VIRGIN IS FLAG CARRIER. Virgin can't be national FLAG CARRIER. Social25062 ( talk) 13:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Certainly, Virgin WAS flag carrier as in that source published in 2014 because there was international routes and wide-body aircrafts along Qantas, but due to COVID 19, Ditching all of long haul routes and wide body aircrafts, that makes Virgin is no longer flag carrier, but is just a regional airlines. Moreover, another articles in 2020 says Qantas is only flag carrier. It seems that Virgin Australia should be removed!( https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/national-carrier-it-s-a-matter-of-definition-20140305-ixnl4)(https://paxex.aero/virgin-australia-to-ditch-twin-aisle-fleet-focus-on-domestic-and-regional-service/)(https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/11/19/virgin-australia-relaunches-as-mid-market-hybrid-airline/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Social25062 ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I'll finally say you that "Virgin Australia is Flag Carrier" is obsolete, because your source was about SIX YEARS OLD SITUATION in 2014( https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/national-carrier-it-s-a-matter-of-definition-20140305-ixnl4), still with wide body and long haul!!! Today in 2021, this airlines company is no longer flag carrier, and doesn't seem to recover as flag carrier, because of losing long haul and wide body aircraft. Moreover, the distance between Qantas are expanded. So, you should mend Australia's section in order to adapt current situation in 2021!!! Social25062 ( talk) 5:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Qantas' fleet
Aircraft | In service | Orders | Passengers | Notes | ||||
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F | J | W | Y | Total
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Airbus A330-200 | 8 | — | — | 27 | — | 224 | 251 [1] | |
10 | — | 28 | — | 243 | 271 [2] | |||
Airbus A330-300 | 10 | — | — | 28 | — | 269 | 297 [3] | |
Airbus A380-800 | 6 | — | 14 | 64 | 35 | 371 | 484 [4] | Were to be refurbished to 485-seat configuration by the end of 2020.
[5] To be mothballed until 2023 [6] |
6 | 14 | 70 | 60 | 341 | 485 [7] | Refurbished with new Business and Premium Economy cabins. [8]To be mothballed until 2023 [6] | ||
Boeing 737-800 | 75 | — | — | 12 | — | 162 | 174 [9] | |
Boeing 787-9 | 11 | 3 [10] [11] | — | 42 | 28 | 166 | 236 [12] | Original order for eight with 15 options and 30 purchase rights.
[10]
[13] Six additional aircraft ordered in May 2018. [11] 3 on order deferred and stored. [6] [14] |
Total | 126 | 3 |
Virgin's fleet
Aircraft | In Service | Orders | Passengers | Notes | |||
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J | W | Y | Total | ||||
Boeing 737-700 | 2 | — | 8 | — | 120 | 128 | |
Boeing 737-800 | 57 | — | 8 | — | 168 | 176 | |
Boeing 737 MAX 10 | — | 25 | 8 | — | 196 | 204 | Planned to be delivered from mid-2023. |
Total | 59 | 25 |
Very different! Do you think even Virgin is flag carrier as Qantas?
As of 2014, Virgin had wide-body aircraft and long-haul routes, but now ditched.
Aircraft | Total | Introduced | Retired | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|
Airbus A330-200 | 8 | 2011 | 2020 | 2 transferred to Azul Brazilian Airlines |
Boeing 777-300ER [15] | 5 | 2011 | 2020 |
References
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There are two flag carriers owned by multiple countries in this article; SAS and Caribbean airlines. While SAS is integrated in single row span, Caribbean is separated into each countries' section; Guyana, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago! So how about integration of Caribbean as SAS!? 2400:4050:2501:EC00:24C1:5199:5085:69D2(talk) 13:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Just wanna check whether All Nippon Airways is a flag carrier of Japan. I know the JAL consensus is that it is a flag carrier, but ANA also has the Japanese flag displayed on its planes. Also I didn’t find any sources that can say for certain whether ANA is or is not an flag carrier & the Japanese version of this article states “全日本空輸” (ANA) as the sole flag carrier. Got a bit confused so wanna clarify here. SBS6577P ( talk) 12:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Japan is displayed as Japan Airlines, but ANA is actually the representative of Japan. Therefore, I would like to ask you to change from Japan Airlines to All Nippon Airways.I don't mean to be mean, but since Japan Airlines went bankrupt due to the Lehman shock, I want to trust ANA as a Japanese person. In Japanese, Japan is called "Nippon". The Himalayas are called "Chomolungma" in the local language, and as a Japanese person, "All Nippon Airways" feels more secure.Speaking of Japanese airlines, Japan Airlines tends to be the representative, but for Japanese, All Nippon Airways is the representative. However, the world is in chaos because people who like Japan Airlines try to represent Japan Airlines. Please correct me If you look at the UK ratings, you can see that All Nippon Airways is in the lead in almost every rating. All Nippon Airways has the most sales, so I don't think I can complain.Sorry for the long sentence. There are only a few left this year. Enjoy not only Christmas, but also 2022! ! May you find more happiness. 仲川怜汰 ( talk) 09:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
-- Jetstreamer Talk 20:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Someone has pointed out on the
Cathay Pacific talk page, that they think Cathay Pacific shouldn't be considered a flag carrier because Hong Kong isn't considered a sovereign state. The lede in this article states that a flag carrier is one that is locally registered in a given sovereign state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government for international operations.
Probably the definition might need a bit of tweaking to include flag carriers of non-sovereign states/regions/territories/whatever such as Cathay Pacific, Air Greenland, Air Macau, etc.
Fork99 (
talk) 09:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Proposing to merge Chosen instrument into Flag carrier: based on Google search results, "chosen instrument" is an archaic term for an airline (specifically back in the 1930's, Pan Am and Imperial Airways) chosen by a government to become what we now refer to as a "flag carrier" with government subsidies and favorable legal treatment (i.e., National champions). Topic merits historical consideration but current article is merely a Wiktionary redirect. Wl219 ( talk) 17:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Has anybody considered the possibility of adding a list of former flag carriers from every country. Nombreungenio ( talk) 05:01, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
How about the flag carriers for the United States, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay and East Timor? None? Kenwick ( talk) 05:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
MilborneOne ( talk) 18:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Dear sir or madam, According to [1], Latam Brazil is the flag carrier of Brazil, is this accurate? PatrickChiao ( talk) 05:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
References
Brazil hasn't a flag carrier. This isn't a valid source, it didn't show any solid info on why the company should be classified as a "flag carrier". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hesteriana ( talk • contribs) 06:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
The Italian government has recently taken over Alitalia again as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic's impact on air travel. [1] Would like to request if the corresponding entry on the table can be edited to reflect this as such. Thanks.
Example (no references used):
Italy | Alitalia | State-owned | Previously state-owned until 2008, and indirectly controlled through a state-owned company since 2013. Was previously the minority (19.48%). |
— Mr. Lechkar ( talk) 16:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
References
Australian flag carrier is only QANTAS, but there is note that VIRGIN IS FLAG CARRIER. Virgin can't be national FLAG CARRIER. Social25062 ( talk) 13:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Certainly, Virgin WAS flag carrier as in that source published in 2014 because there was international routes and wide-body aircrafts along Qantas, but due to COVID 19, Ditching all of long haul routes and wide body aircrafts, that makes Virgin is no longer flag carrier, but is just a regional airlines. Moreover, another articles in 2020 says Qantas is only flag carrier. It seems that Virgin Australia should be removed!( https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/national-carrier-it-s-a-matter-of-definition-20140305-ixnl4)(https://paxex.aero/virgin-australia-to-ditch-twin-aisle-fleet-focus-on-domestic-and-regional-service/)(https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/11/19/virgin-australia-relaunches-as-mid-market-hybrid-airline/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Social25062 ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I'll finally say you that "Virgin Australia is Flag Carrier" is obsolete, because your source was about SIX YEARS OLD SITUATION in 2014( https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/national-carrier-it-s-a-matter-of-definition-20140305-ixnl4), still with wide body and long haul!!! Today in 2021, this airlines company is no longer flag carrier, and doesn't seem to recover as flag carrier, because of losing long haul and wide body aircraft. Moreover, the distance between Qantas are expanded. So, you should mend Australia's section in order to adapt current situation in 2021!!! Social25062 ( talk) 5:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Qantas' fleet
Aircraft | In service | Orders | Passengers | Notes | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
F | J | W | Y | Total
| ||||
Airbus A330-200 | 8 | — | — | 27 | — | 224 | 251 [1] | |
10 | — | 28 | — | 243 | 271 [2] | |||
Airbus A330-300 | 10 | — | — | 28 | — | 269 | 297 [3] | |
Airbus A380-800 | 6 | — | 14 | 64 | 35 | 371 | 484 [4] | Were to be refurbished to 485-seat configuration by the end of 2020.
[5] To be mothballed until 2023 [6] |
6 | 14 | 70 | 60 | 341 | 485 [7] | Refurbished with new Business and Premium Economy cabins. [8]To be mothballed until 2023 [6] | ||
Boeing 737-800 | 75 | — | — | 12 | — | 162 | 174 [9] | |
Boeing 787-9 | 11 | 3 [10] [11] | — | 42 | 28 | 166 | 236 [12] | Original order for eight with 15 options and 30 purchase rights.
[10]
[13] Six additional aircraft ordered in May 2018. [11] 3 on order deferred and stored. [6] [14] |
Total | 126 | 3 |
Virgin's fleet
Aircraft | In Service | Orders | Passengers | Notes | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
J | W | Y | Total | ||||
Boeing 737-700 | 2 | — | 8 | — | 120 | 128 | |
Boeing 737-800 | 57 | — | 8 | — | 168 | 176 | |
Boeing 737 MAX 10 | — | 25 | 8 | — | 196 | 204 | Planned to be delivered from mid-2023. |
Total | 59 | 25 |
Very different! Do you think even Virgin is flag carrier as Qantas?
As of 2014, Virgin had wide-body aircraft and long-haul routes, but now ditched.
Aircraft | Total | Introduced | Retired | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|
Airbus A330-200 | 8 | 2011 | 2020 | 2 transferred to Azul Brazilian Airlines |
Boeing 777-300ER [15] | 5 | 2011 | 2020 |
References
Section started by sock. Only reply was in response to the sock's comment. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 14:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | ||||
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There are two flag carriers owned by multiple countries in this article; SAS and Caribbean airlines. While SAS is integrated in single row span, Caribbean is separated into each countries' section; Guyana, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago! So how about integration of Caribbean as SAS!? 2400:4050:2501:EC00:24C1:5199:5085:69D2(talk) 13:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Just wanna check whether All Nippon Airways is a flag carrier of Japan. I know the JAL consensus is that it is a flag carrier, but ANA also has the Japanese flag displayed on its planes. Also I didn’t find any sources that can say for certain whether ANA is or is not an flag carrier & the Japanese version of this article states “全日本空輸” (ANA) as the sole flag carrier. Got a bit confused so wanna clarify here. SBS6577P ( talk) 12:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Japan is displayed as Japan Airlines, but ANA is actually the representative of Japan. Therefore, I would like to ask you to change from Japan Airlines to All Nippon Airways.I don't mean to be mean, but since Japan Airlines went bankrupt due to the Lehman shock, I want to trust ANA as a Japanese person. In Japanese, Japan is called "Nippon". The Himalayas are called "Chomolungma" in the local language, and as a Japanese person, "All Nippon Airways" feels more secure.Speaking of Japanese airlines, Japan Airlines tends to be the representative, but for Japanese, All Nippon Airways is the representative. However, the world is in chaos because people who like Japan Airlines try to represent Japan Airlines. Please correct me If you look at the UK ratings, you can see that All Nippon Airways is in the lead in almost every rating. All Nippon Airways has the most sales, so I don't think I can complain.Sorry for the long sentence. There are only a few left this year. Enjoy not only Christmas, but also 2022! ! May you find more happiness. 仲川怜汰 ( talk) 09:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
-- Jetstreamer Talk 20:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Someone has pointed out on the
Cathay Pacific talk page, that they think Cathay Pacific shouldn't be considered a flag carrier because Hong Kong isn't considered a sovereign state. The lede in this article states that a flag carrier is one that is locally registered in a given sovereign state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government for international operations.
Probably the definition might need a bit of tweaking to include flag carriers of non-sovereign states/regions/territories/whatever such as Cathay Pacific, Air Greenland, Air Macau, etc.
Fork99 (
talk) 09:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Proposing to merge Chosen instrument into Flag carrier: based on Google search results, "chosen instrument" is an archaic term for an airline (specifically back in the 1930's, Pan Am and Imperial Airways) chosen by a government to become what we now refer to as a "flag carrier" with government subsidies and favorable legal treatment (i.e., National champions). Topic merits historical consideration but current article is merely a Wiktionary redirect. Wl219 ( talk) 17:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)