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The result of the discussion was:Rename all.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 13:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. "Dealing with" is not an ideal or even standard wording.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 14:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename all less clumsy solution
Curb Chain (
talk) 06:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Calder Cup champions
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Dana boomer (
talk) 23:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The
Calder Cup is the championship of the minor league
American Hockey League. In my opinion, winning a minor league championship is not a defining characteristic of biographies.
TM 14:10, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete Yes, it's hard to see a minor league championship meeting
WP:OC#AWARD, nor do I see AAA championships in
Category:Baseball award winners. Surprising that this category has lasted as long as it has, without even so much as a CfD nomination.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 14:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep and redefine to include teams that have won the Calder Cup, not players on those teams. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 18:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment But I can see no articles about Calder Cup winning rosters. Have I missed something?
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 18:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
But that's not how we use
Category:Stanley Cup champions. That is reserved for bio articles on players, which again, fails
WP:OC#AWARD at the minor-league level. Even a 20+ Stanley Cup winner like the
Montreal Canadiens isn't categorized in the way you propose. One has to go down to
Category:Stanley Cup championship seasons to see individual winning seasons for teams, such as
1976–77 Montreal Canadiens season. We should consistently apply the same logic in the AHL. If someone wants to set about creating articles for AHL winning rosters or seasons, then the category could be recreated, under a slightly different name.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 18:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete nondefining as I agree a minor league win is not notable
Curb Chain (
talk) 06:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks and Ladyjacks
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The result of the discussion was:rename. Since the creator is asking for the rename, there's no reason to delay it. The final one is clearly in error, so I'm throwing that in too.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 07:01, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I went ahead and created several categories using the colloquial "SFA Lumberjacks and Ladyjacks" not the
Stephen F. Austin State University athletic department's official "Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks and Ladyjacks." Also, an existing category incorrectly adds "State" to a football coach category that does not follow the existing naming standard.
NThomas (
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Nominator's rationale: I corrected the article from Boxer Rebellion Indemnity Scholarship Program to
Boxer Indemnity Scholarship Program because the name of the program is Boxer Indemnity Scholarship so the article and the category should be that.
ch (
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Category:UAVs and drones by country
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 23:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I see no evidence from the article
Unmanned aerial vehicle that drones are not unmanned aerial vehicles, so I believe that we can combine the concepts and spell out UAV as per the parent category
Category:Unmanned aerial vehicles. There are lots of subcategories that I would suggest be processed automatically if this passes.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 04:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Not to mention that
the industry and press universally uses "Unmanned". (Ghits: Unmanned, 6,200,000; Unpiloted, 20,000.) In addition, the aircraft are piloted - just not by an on-board pilot. The once-suggested alternative, Uninhabited Aerial Vehicle, failed to catch on and was quietly forgotten. Can't imagine why. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 07:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support because the proposed name is more understandable than the current name. I know that categories exist in the context of membership and subcategories, but evenso the current name is pretty meaningless as it stands.--
Northernhenge (
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Category:Deaths by hang gliding
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Nominator's rationale: Quoting from the CfD discussion for
Category:Deaths by paragliding, in progress: "A simple list of ordinary people who have died [hang gliding] is not encyclopaedic material and as such there is no such WP page. This category is an attempt to provide such a list, but with no material available for inclusion"
The BushrangerOne ping only 01:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
In each category only persons that are noteworthy by WP standards are included. The population of hang gliding right at the moment is four noteworthy persons. KEEP.
Joefaust (
talk) 01:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC) *reply
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Joefaust (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
XfD. 01:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 01:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Joe's multiple !votes here are getting pretty pointy, but I see that Hang gliding is a subcat of
Category:Unpowered aviation and we do have a category branch for aviation accident victims, so I've added it, as a parent. I'm beginning to think we should keep this. Anyway, I will alert the aviation wikiproject to this discussion.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 04:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Okay, I'm going to get off the fence -- carefully, given all the people falling from the sky around here -- and say Keep. While the paragliding cat seems to just have the one article and does not meet SMALLCAT at this time, imo, we now have three articles and two redirects in this category, which itself seems to be a bona fide member of both
Category:Deaths in sport and
Category:Victims of aviation accidents or incidents. Oh, and Joe, you've already made your position clear. Please don't add more "keeps" to this discussion: it's one per customer, okay?
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 05:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
If this is kept, it needs to be merged with the "paragliding" one - and renamed. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 06:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I was wondering if that were possible. You know, fwiw,
Category:Gliding deaths, encompassing all forms including fixed wing, which would be even easier to populate, doesn't seem to exist yet.--
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 12:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I see that
User:Ahunt has removed the categories with the edit summary "no cats for redirects."
WP:RCAT isn't quite so sweeping, but I certainly can't find an exception in the guideline article that would allow me to reapply the cat, so down the number goes to three bio articles.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 13:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete this ia an example of an overly limited category. There is no need for categories for every form of death. This reminds me of the ridiculously specialized deaths that appeared in
Irregular Webcomic. For what is is worth the category is now down to three entries.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 03:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:National Basketball Association films
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The result of the discussion was:delete, but put the two NBA Entertainment productions into
Category:NBA Entertainment films. That new category is open to nomination for deletion, if desired.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 04:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Right now, this category includes films where an NBA player has appeared, but that have no formal association with the NBA. There are a couple that do fit the bill, though, so I think we should rename using
Category:NFL Films as a model, to encompass the parent article
NBA Entertainment and the few film articles that do currently pertain?
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 00:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete The only intersection is that an actor also played in the NBA. The NBA have not endorsed these films. This is an intersection of unrelated topics.
Curb Chain (
talk) 02:19, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Supportif there are enough NBA Entertainment-made videos/movies that are notable enough to have pages. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 02:34, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete per Curb Chain. Intersection of unrelated topics.
Resolute 04:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:Rename all.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 13:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. "Dealing with" is not an ideal or even standard wording.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 14:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename all less clumsy solution
Curb Chain (
talk) 06:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Calder Cup champions
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Dana boomer (
talk) 23:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The
Calder Cup is the championship of the minor league
American Hockey League. In my opinion, winning a minor league championship is not a defining characteristic of biographies.
TM 14:10, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete Yes, it's hard to see a minor league championship meeting
WP:OC#AWARD, nor do I see AAA championships in
Category:Baseball award winners. Surprising that this category has lasted as long as it has, without even so much as a CfD nomination.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 14:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep and redefine to include teams that have won the Calder Cup, not players on those teams. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 18:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment But I can see no articles about Calder Cup winning rosters. Have I missed something?
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 18:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
But that's not how we use
Category:Stanley Cup champions. That is reserved for bio articles on players, which again, fails
WP:OC#AWARD at the minor-league level. Even a 20+ Stanley Cup winner like the
Montreal Canadiens isn't categorized in the way you propose. One has to go down to
Category:Stanley Cup championship seasons to see individual winning seasons for teams, such as
1976–77 Montreal Canadiens season. We should consistently apply the same logic in the AHL. If someone wants to set about creating articles for AHL winning rosters or seasons, then the category could be recreated, under a slightly different name.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 18:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete nondefining as I agree a minor league win is not notable
Curb Chain (
talk) 06:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks and Ladyjacks
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The result of the discussion was:rename. Since the creator is asking for the rename, there's no reason to delay it. The final one is clearly in error, so I'm throwing that in too.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 07:01, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I went ahead and created several categories using the colloquial "SFA Lumberjacks and Ladyjacks" not the
Stephen F. Austin State University athletic department's official "Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks and Ladyjacks." Also, an existing category incorrectly adds "State" to a football coach category that does not follow the existing naming standard.
NThomas (
talk) 06:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: I corrected the article from Boxer Rebellion Indemnity Scholarship Program to
Boxer Indemnity Scholarship Program because the name of the program is Boxer Indemnity Scholarship so the article and the category should be that.
ch (
talk) 05:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:UAVs and drones by country
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 23:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I see no evidence from the article
Unmanned aerial vehicle that drones are not unmanned aerial vehicles, so I believe that we can combine the concepts and spell out UAV as per the parent category
Category:Unmanned aerial vehicles. There are lots of subcategories that I would suggest be processed automatically if this passes.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 04:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Not to mention that
the industry and press universally uses "Unmanned". (Ghits: Unmanned, 6,200,000; Unpiloted, 20,000.) In addition, the aircraft are piloted - just not by an on-board pilot. The once-suggested alternative, Uninhabited Aerial Vehicle, failed to catch on and was quietly forgotten. Can't imagine why. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 07:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support because the proposed name is more understandable than the current name. I know that categories exist in the context of membership and subcategories, but evenso the current name is pretty meaningless as it stands.--
Northernhenge (
talk) 22:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deaths by hang gliding
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Nominator's rationale: Quoting from the CfD discussion for
Category:Deaths by paragliding, in progress: "A simple list of ordinary people who have died [hang gliding] is not encyclopaedic material and as such there is no such WP page. This category is an attempt to provide such a list, but with no material available for inclusion"
The BushrangerOne ping only 01:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
In each category only persons that are noteworthy by WP standards are included. The population of hang gliding right at the moment is four noteworthy persons. KEEP.
Joefaust (
talk) 01:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC) *reply
— Note to closing admin:
Joefaust (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
XfD. 01:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 01:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Joe's multiple !votes here are getting pretty pointy, but I see that Hang gliding is a subcat of
Category:Unpowered aviation and we do have a category branch for aviation accident victims, so I've added it, as a parent. I'm beginning to think we should keep this. Anyway, I will alert the aviation wikiproject to this discussion.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 04:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Okay, I'm going to get off the fence -- carefully, given all the people falling from the sky around here -- and say Keep. While the paragliding cat seems to just have the one article and does not meet SMALLCAT at this time, imo, we now have three articles and two redirects in this category, which itself seems to be a bona fide member of both
Category:Deaths in sport and
Category:Victims of aviation accidents or incidents. Oh, and Joe, you've already made your position clear. Please don't add more "keeps" to this discussion: it's one per customer, okay?
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 05:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
If this is kept, it needs to be merged with the "paragliding" one - and renamed. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 06:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I was wondering if that were possible. You know, fwiw,
Category:Gliding deaths, encompassing all forms including fixed wing, which would be even easier to populate, doesn't seem to exist yet.--
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 12:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I see that
User:Ahunt has removed the categories with the edit summary "no cats for redirects."
WP:RCAT isn't quite so sweeping, but I certainly can't find an exception in the guideline article that would allow me to reapply the cat, so down the number goes to three bio articles.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 13:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete this ia an example of an overly limited category. There is no need for categories for every form of death. This reminds me of the ridiculously specialized deaths that appeared in
Irregular Webcomic. For what is is worth the category is now down to three entries.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 03:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:National Basketball Association films
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The result of the discussion was:delete, but put the two NBA Entertainment productions into
Category:NBA Entertainment films. That new category is open to nomination for deletion, if desired.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 04:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Right now, this category includes films where an NBA player has appeared, but that have no formal association with the NBA. There are a couple that do fit the bill, though, so I think we should rename using
Category:NFL Films as a model, to encompass the parent article
NBA Entertainment and the few film articles that do currently pertain?
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 00:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete The only intersection is that an actor also played in the NBA. The NBA have not endorsed these films. This is an intersection of unrelated topics.
Curb Chain (
talk) 02:19, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Supportif there are enough NBA Entertainment-made videos/movies that are notable enough to have pages. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 02:34, 21 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete per Curb Chain. Intersection of unrelated topics.
Resolute 04:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)reply
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