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For nearly 13 years now, I have been watching with disappointment, and sometimes dismay, the back and forth over Kashmir, the thrusting and parrying of national POVs, all to no avail. What a waste of time and energy it has been!
Yesterday and today, August 14 and 15, commemorate the decolonization of South Asia. It is also roughly the time that the Kashmir dispute began. What better way to mark that time than to agree on some phrasing with which to begin the Kashmir-related pages of significance. In coming up with such phrasing, I have been helped by the corresponding phrasing in the "Kashmir" page in Encyclopaedia Britannica. That page begins with:
Lead sentences of "Kashmir," in Britannica
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Kashmir, region of the northwestern Indian subcontinent. It is bounded by the Uygur Autonomous Region of Xinjiang to the northeast and the Tibet Autonomous Region to the east (both parts of China), by the Indian states of Himachal Pradesh and Punjab to the south, by Pakistan to the west, and by Afghanistan to the northwest. The region, with a total area of some 85,800 square miles (222,200 square km), has been the subject of dispute between India and Pakistan since the partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947. The northern and western portions are administered by Pakistan and comprise three areas: Azad Kashmir, Gilgit, and Baltistan, the last two being part of a territory called the Northern Areas. Administered by India are the southern and southeastern portions, which constitute the state of Jammu and Kashmir but are slated to be split into two union territories. The Indian- and Pakistani-administered portions are divided by a “line of control” agreed to in 1972, although neither country recognizes it as an international boundary. In addition, China became active in the eastern area of Kashmir in the 1950s and has controlled the northeastern part of Ladakh (the easternmost portion of the region) since 1962. |
Note: The Britannica sentences mention "slated to be union territories," so they are up to date. Furthermore, three things are clear from Britannica's phrasing: (a) the region is disputed and (b) all its parts are "administered," and (c) the northern (Gilgit-Baltistan) and western (Azad Kashmir) regions are under Pakistani administration; the southern (Jammu and Kashmir) and southeastern (Ladakh) under Indian, and the eastern (Aksai Chin) under Chinese. Based on this, a major tertiary source, and of many other sources I have looked at, I would like to propose the following lead sentence:
____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting in a general way the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and India and China since 1959.
The "general way" has been added to protect the sentences from nitpickers. If the pages Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, Jammu and Kashmir Ladakh, Kashmir valley, Jammu and Aksai Chin can have this as their lead sentence, I believe a big headache would disappear overnight. It is a mouthful, to be sure, but it is accurate. Purveyors of POV will be less inclined to thrust and parry when the article is wearing such NPOV armor. Pinging @ Kautilya3, Saqib, Vanamonde93, El C, RegentsPark, Winged Blades of Godric, Sitush, MilborneOne, Chipmunkdavis, Abecedare, Drmies, Joshua Jonathan, Tamravidhir, DeluxeVegan, Gotitbro, Lingzhi2, Ceoil, SlimVirgin, Bbb23, Bishonen, Ms Sarah Welch, Moonraker, DuncanHill, Doug Weller, Philip Baird Shearer, Mar4d, Rjensen, HLGallon, Ragib, and Titodutta: and any others I might have missed. I am especially keen to hear from Saqib. If he on board (with the Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan pages), it will be easier for the same consensus on the Indian-administered Kashmir pages. Please keep Walt Whitman in mind:
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, were tender with you, and stood aside for you? Have you not learned great lessons of those who braced themselves against you and disputed the passage with you?
Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC) PS In pinging the various people, I am not canvassing, just racking my brains to randomly pick people I can remember seeing on South Asia related pages, whether in consonance, dissonance, or happy oblivion. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
( ←) I am very much in favor of standardization. Perhaps...
____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, and constituting in a general way the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region. All regions of Kashmir except its east have been the subject of dispute between India and Pakistan since the Partition of India in 1947; administration of its east has been disputed between India and China since 1959.
♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
"in a general way"is unnecessary, but otherwise I endorse F&F's proposal entirely; because this is how reliable sources, and in particular independent scholarly sources, describe the situation. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and India and China since 1959.-- I hope this will be cited by an RS. Is it going to be a general one or going to change in different articles? Or actually, other parts a) "AdminEntity" is a part of "CountryA", b) it is administered by "ContryA" will need similar RS.
for example, at link to article, the lead would read "...".Johnuniq ( talk) 08:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, and Lingzhi2: I'm not sure I've understood all the points, but let me say, generally, that for the sourcing I want to appeal to WP:TERTIARY, and what it says about due weight. I want to address essentially two issues in the sourcing, that (a) the region is disputed, and (b) that the sub-regions are "administered" (without implying anything about sovereignty). Specialist secondary sources (monographs and the like) are not useful here as there are too many of them, and they all finesse nuances which distract. I have the following sources in mind (two encyclopedias and two undergraduate histories of South Asia, two of India, and two tertiary sources about Pakistan (one an undergraduate text; the other a survey article):
Tertiary sources for possible use in the RfC
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Based on these, I think the simplest proposal would be:
____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, later joined in by China.
Let me know if this is acceptable, or what tweaks are needed. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC) Updated Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, and Lingzhi2: Although I had initially proposed the lead sentence for the larger sub-region of Kashmir, after hearing from a number of people, especially @ Kautilya3:, I see the value of generalizing and of striking while the iron is hot. I have therefore made it a four tier proposal, which applies to (A) the larger regions Jammu and Kashmir, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, and Aksai Chin, (B) their administrative divisions, such as Gilgit Division, Kashmir Division, (C) to all the districts in (B); and (D) to all the district capitals in (C).
(A) Large Regions: ____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, etc., and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1]
Examples are: Jammu and Kashmir, Azad Kashmir. For regions in which the form of administration is not clearly defined, the examples are Aksai Chin and Gilgit-Baltistan
(B) Administrative Divisions: ____________ is an administrative division of/in _______________, a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1] Examples are: Gilgit Division, Poonch Division, and Kashmir Division.
(C) Districts: ____________ is a district in (name of administrative division) of (name of larger region), a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1] Examples are Anantnag District, Mirpur District.
(D) District Capitals: ____________ is the capital of __________ district in (name of larger region), a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1] Examples are Anantnag City, Mirpur City.
As you will see that there is the danger of sounding clunky when the regression becomes long. I will come up with some judicious contractions in the final version. The total number of pages affected by the RfC are: (i) in Jammu and Kashmir, Three divisions, 22 districts, 22 district capitals (48 pages), (ii) in Azad Kashmir four divisions, 10 districts, 10 district capitals (25 pages) (iii) in Gilgit-Baltistan Three divisions, 10 districts, 10 capitals (24 pages), and (iv) in Aksai Chin (1 page), grand totalling 48 + 25 + 24 + 1= 98 pages. That is a lot to be sure, but it is better to tackle them systematically than haphazardly. Finally, as the proposal addresses "administered" areas, it does not apply to other notable pages, such as those of a notable city that is not a district capital, a pilgrimage site, a natural feature, such as a mountain, or a lake, i.e. anything outside the ambit of (A) through (D) above. We can come back to those later. Please give your feedback. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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help) (subscription required) Quote: "... China became active in the eastern area of Kashmir in the 1950s and has controlled the northeastern part of Ladakh (the easternmost portion of the region) since 1962."; Forgot to ping @ Tamravidhir and Ms Sarah Welch: Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Abecedare: Sounds great. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, Lingzhi2, Moonraker, Saqib, RegentsPark, and Abecedare: Here's my new version, arrived at after weighing all your comments, especially RegentsPark's about not sounding like the disputes all began at the same time. I have reworded it. I may appear long to some, but it is precise. It has just two references, both wizened enyclopedias. I will add the "for example, see ..." once we have agreement on the language. Here they are. Please give me your feedback. Language within double parentheses (( ... )) has been added after receiving feedback.
(A) Large Regions: ____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, etc., and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China since 1962. [1] Example: " Jammu and Kashmir is a region administered by India as a state, and constituting the southern and southeastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China since 1962."
(I originally had "... and between India and China openly since 1962, but in ferment through the late 1950s." or words to that effect, but I don't believe we need that kind of precision.)
(B) Administrative Divisions: ____________ is an administrative division of/in _______________, a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, and claimed by Pakistan/China/India. [1] Example: Jammu Division is an administrative division of Jammu and Kashmir, a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India as a state and claimed by Pakistan."
(C) Districts: ____________ is a district in (name of administrative division) of (name of larger region), the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity and claimed by Pakistan/China/India. [1] Example: Jammu district is a district in the Jammu Division of Jammu and Kashmir, the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India as a state and claimed by Pakistan. [1]
(D) District Capitals: ____________ is the capital of __________ district in (name of larger region), the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity and claimed by Pakistan/China/India. [1] Example: " Mirpur is the capital of Mirpur district in Azad Kashmir, the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by Pakistan as a nominally self-governing entiry and claimed by India. [1]"
Please give your prompt feedback so I can get on with the RfC itself. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk»
Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:44, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Udhampur is a district in Jammu and Kashmir, a region administered by India as a state, and constituting the southern portion of the larger Kashmir regionis liable to be misread as implying that it's Udhampur district (rather than J&K) that is the souther portion of Kashmir. – Uanfala (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Uanfala: Thus for Mirpur it would read: "
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Pakistan as a nominally self-governing entity, and constituting the western portion of the larger
Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947 and between India and China since 1962 after being in ferment through the late 1950s.
[1] (scratching the in ferment bit out).
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Multiple editors have added a large number of unsourced entries at List of Dalits, which has in turn created BLP-related issues. So, someone familiar with the list should revert it to an appropriate revision. - NitinMlk ( talk) 19:50, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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Greetings, is there someone here familiar with languages written in Devanagari to comment on the sourcing of Nurul Alam Chowdhury? Literally every source is written in such a language. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 12:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi all. The WP:Top 25 Report, as the title suggests, is a newspaper-style report on the top 25 most-viewed articles on Wikipedia published weekly. India-related articles have always been a staple of the report, but in the past year or so, these articles have gone from periodical hits once in a month or so to many appearances in a week's report, for eg: Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/August 4 to 10, 2019, Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/June 23 to 29, 2019, Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/May 19 to 25, 2019, etc. If any of you are interested in writing reports (and as a side providing your more knowledgeable views on India-related topics) please let us know. 2.51.23.164 ( talk) 07:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anyone from this Wikipedia can read (and assess) some of the non-English sources being cited in Bill Hutchens. One of the sources seems to be to MediaOne TV, which is listed as being under the scope of this WikiProject, but I'm not sure what language the source is written. So, I'm just asking here on the hope that someone might be able to read the source. If anyone is able to assess the source (particularly for WP:NACTOR purposes), please post at Talk:Bill Hutchens#Notability. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hi guys can someone address the West Bengal article issue. The first thing which caught my eye in the lead is the number of references. Though some may be necessary, we could, perhaps, reduce the number of references in the lead, given the same information is covered elsewhere in a section with apt citations. The lead provides excessive details, which is not required at all it would be better to mentioned in the main body. It should be as per WP:SS and WP:Lead fixation. There are information cited in the lead which does not appear in the body of the text. The article has been copy edited by GOCE editors, after few fixes the article is ready for its GA review. Thanks-- Aakanksha55 ( talk) 08:51, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, could any of you please check if the image on the Babri Masjid article is actually the image of the named masjid? I am quite unsure. I have attached the image here. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 15:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silence Day (2nd nomination). I will be interested to see, if anyone can dig secondary coverage of the event in contrast to the bunch of primary sources from in-house-presses, which are currently being added, in bulk. ∯WBG converse 15:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Architecture of India, Coinage of India, Kosambi has been brutally vandalised and massive content has been removed which were properly cited using academic sources, i have tried restoring those contents which have been present in the article since months. The user पाटलिपुत्र ( talk · contribs) has been solely responsible for that and some other senior editors have backed up that vandalism without providing convincing arguments.
content which has been removed are as follows
Most of Zombie gunner's images (as well as those of his multiple IPs) are probable copyright violations. He has been removing Deletion requests from nominated images in an attempt to block the evaluation process
[1]. We have been having severe editorial issues through IP jumping on these few India-related article which have been damaged beyond recognition. There are many copyvio issues, falsification of sources, dates (For example change of image description at Commons
false date then changing the description of Wikipedia
[2]) etc.... And it is impossible to correct as IPs keep returning without accountability (apparently same user, from two alternating places, now Zombie gunner since today). There have been several efforts at blocking the user
[3], but this is never ending. I have asked for article protection
here and I am attempting to clean up.
पाटलिपुत्र
Pat
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Hi, a user called Fowler&fowler ( talk · contribs) is now vandalising article Architecture of India, has reinstated a version from 2017 and cut down massive chunks of info without having any discussion, his particular target seems to be pre islamic/ non Islamic architecture which seem to show the user's agenda (please read his comments in the history tab), i request senior members to intervene and stop this user from doing so. Zombie gunner ( talk) 17:24, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Pitru Paksha, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Tamravidhir ( talk) 09:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Greetings to all. I have been working on the article on Durga Puja for the past few days. It would be of great help if those interested in the topic amongst you could provide with respective inputs to improve the article. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 03:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
An editor, पाटलिपुत्र ( talk · contribs) has been on a spree of edits that sometimes appear to be borderline POV, borderline OR, borderline UNDUE—edits that in my view violate the spirit of Wikipedia rules even if they don't always violate the letter. (See, for example, her/his caption of the infobox image of the Kushan Empire that I've recently corrected.) She/he does so on many South Asia-related pages, though sometimes more generally, and in the past, has copied (without paraphrasing) content from sites such as PLOS, or from other Wikipedia articles. Although this is allowed, s/he has not only not acknowledged this in the manner required but has also done so with such prolificity that it begins to border on the unencyclopedic. See for example, Talk:Neolithic#PLOS_citation_and_image_spamming and here. S/he has been sloppy in her/his characterization of images s/he has uploaded by the hundreds, uploading, for example, an image of a smaller copy of the Sarnath Capital in the National Museum in New Delhi, but labeling it the Sarnath Capital. We all make such errors now and then, but when someone does this on a scale as this editor seems to have done, it becomes a community concern, in my view, that is. I'm reticent about posting on ANI as this is not a black and white violation, but perhaps editors here who work on ancient India related pages have some ideas. The main issue for me is that cleaning up after her/him can waste an inordinate amount of community time. Pinging some editors and admins who work on ancient India: @ Kautilya3:, @ Ms Sarah Welch:, @ Abecedare:, @ Doug Weller:, @ RegentsPark:, @ Joshua Jonathan: for ideas. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC) Pinging @ पाटलिपुत्र: formally as well. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
So @ Fowler&fowler: you have already harassed me for having an Indian user name [5] or [6] (I added initials to my signature to humour you), accused me of "dumping a usual Indian smoke and mirrors" [7], not to mention your talks of "Hindu carbage" [8] (although I was not your direct target here), and now... image captions and use of Creative Commons texts which are not to your exact liking? I am fairly systematic in attributing CC text properly as Diannaa has already recognized, but errors happen. We're all just trying to do our best for this Encyclopedia. Let's cool down a bit, don't you think? I do not intend to respond further. Have a nice day. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Or legend, whichever is appropriate. I haven't reverted the new editor who added unsourced material at the top of the lead. I spent 5 minutes searching but only found snippets. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 15:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hey all,
As I announced on the wikimediaindia-l back in June and in August on this noticeboard we are planning to return to fundraising in India in 2020. On Monday, we will be running a three hour test to further test our payments infrastructure.
We have gathered feedback from CIS, focus groups, and community members but you can also send feedback regarding the fundraising campaign directly on my talk page. Your feedback will definitely factor into our campaign for next year. Many Thanks Seddon (WMF) ( talk) 15:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I have been using this script for some days now. I have found it very useful and recommend this to all. It saves time by quickly rating and adding parameters to Wikiproject tags on the article, without even going to the talk page. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 09:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
The transliteration into international English is not correct. In English language there are no diacritics. Also the title Vṛścika is highly confusing for English language users, as it skips vowels and c is used instead of ch. Crashed greek ( talk) 09:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Mahatma Gandhi was the principal architect of the successful campaign for India's independence. Tomorrow, October 2, 2019, is his 150th birthday. To honor him, in less than half an hour, India, the Wikipedia page about his most sought-after prize, will be Today's Featured Article on the Main Page. Please keep an eye on the article, as well as the Mahatma Gandhi page. Best regards and best wishes, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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Could someone take a look at Adivasi? User:Dev0745 is making extensive edits there, but I've the impression that parts of it may be rambling. For example:
Tribal are heterogeneous ethnic groups can be divided in five ethnolinguistic groups such as Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan and Andamanse. Indo-Aryan tribal have same origin as their negibour caste population. Dravidian tribal have also same origin as Dravidian caste population.
Thanks. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
So I wanted to create a barnstar specific to JK. (Had a few editors in mind whom I wanted to give it to and it can also be placed in the respective barnstar lists and project pages for others to use). Could someone help design it? Or any ideas as to what it should be? (keep it simple please in case i have to end up making it?) Thanks! DiplomatTesterMan ( talk) 13:52, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Looks like the issue got taken care of in my absence. I am not dismissing the idea out of hand, but this is not the right time for it. We might also think about what it would mean to give someone a "Kashmir barnstar", while so many of us know so little about Kashmiris per se. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
DTM, if you are fingers to itching to make barnstars, you might consider redesigning that nerdy Hinduism barnstar to something more personable, e.g., with a Diwali diya instead. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I am barging in here. I wanted to state that one may have to be cautious what is signified by the signifier. Tamravidhir ( talk) 18:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Indeed the previous J&K discussion ended with Not done. We are on to other things.
Coming back to the Diya barnstars, great job, DTM. The second one (black barnstar) looks quite sharp, and suggests bringing light into darkness, exactly the kind of thing a potential barnstart recipient might have done.
The first one (brown barnstar) needs some more work I think. Why is the diya in it oversized? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Wondering if other-language sources can be found for this award (see Draft:Raja Rao Award) given at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, 2000-08. Hyperbolick ( talk) 17:15, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the text in the census district handbooks (like those) is subject to copyright or similar restrictions? The website has a notice saying that the content is subject to copyright unless otherwise noted. But are there any exceptions? The reason I'm asking is that there's a very large chunk of text in Pauri Garhwal district that is copied from http://censusindia.gov.in/2011census/dchb/0506_PART_A_DCHB_GARHWAL.pdf, and I wanted to know for sure before trying to remove it (you know, out of respect for the great effort that some editor must have put in when copy-and-pasting). – Uanfala (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I'm writing an article on Dr. Bhasker Sharma, a homeopathy practitioner - it's available in my sandbox. I'm having trouble finding reliable sources to back up the information I have. Would anybody be able to provide some help? I don't speak Hindi and have no notion of which Hindi sources are ok to use or not. Any guidance is welcome! Thank you very much! Maud KOC ( talk) 08:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
I have started a monthly newsletter for WP India. You can join here Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Newsletter/Members___ CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk (We are the champions, my friends) 18:48, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
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The article Hindi–Urdu controversy looks dubious without much sources. Please look into it. Crashed greek ( talk) 08:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this edit introducing "(Mali)" in the hatnote may be incorrect. I'd like others who are more familiar with the subject to review and please determine what is correct, per the sources available. Thank you! Waggie ( talk) 06:42, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Template:Infobox Chinese}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Template:Infobox Chinese', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Template talk:Infobox Chinese#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Template:Infobox Chinese}}}}}}|the move discussion]]. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pyaar ki Pungi (2nd nomination). Some fresh opinions will be welcome. DBig Xrayᗙ 10:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I have started Draft:2019 Indian economic slowdown. Please help it expand. I am yet to add more information but more hands will be helpful. Regards,- Nizil ( talk) 06:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage. DBig Xrayᗙ 06:59, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Charts for Indian Film songs. DBig Xrayᗙ 08:27, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I just found a lots of good images by @ Itsmalay~commonswiki:, all well documented with ASI-Numbers but not yet categorized. If you looking for some missing pics about some india cultural monuments (e.g. for the Lists of State Protected Monuments in India) it is a treasure! cheers -- W like wiki good to know 12:17, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
at Vivek Agnihotri; after the subject gave a clarion call to his Twitter followers to whitewash his bio, we have Abhijeet Safai, engaging in similar behavior. ∯WBG converse 14:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Continuing the the previous discussion on how to organise the Jammu and Kashmir pages, we have agreed that:
The remaining questions:
-- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:03, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
The more work I do on the pages for the state and the future union territory the more I am beginning to think a single article could be appropriate for goth entities as there seems to be a lot of duplication between the two pages. I present a possible solution on my sandbox for such an article User:Cordyceps-Zombie/sandbox Cordyceps-Zombie ( talk) 14:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Kamaal Rashid Khan}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Kamaal Rashid Khan', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Talk:Kamaal Rashid Khan#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Kamaal Rashid Khan}}}}}}|the move discussion]]. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 09:31, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
If you are reading this, would you please add Vivek Agnihotri to your watchlist. I'm concerned about the general tone and shape of the article (flop, hit, reference bloat, etc), but I'm also concerned about the phrasing in the controversies section. I want to make sure that if each controversy is worth including, that it explains with clear syntax what the controversies were, and provides sufficient context, without drawing any conclusions or including unconscious editorials like "abused". Thank you. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:33, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Could someone tell me the newspapers, TV channels, and magazines in Sri Lanka with high credibility? I am now working on Colombo Financial City in Chinese version, but I don't know how to find the trustworthy newspapers in Sri Lanka. Johnson.Xia ( talk) 20:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Recently created article Kumar Swami, a spiritual leader, needs cleanup. Please check the references and their quality. I do not know how to handle medical claims on dandruff treatment and diagnosis by voice. Regards,- Nizil ( talk) 13:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
This is an absolutely terrible stub, mostly rambling on about names for Gandhi himself (it is not on the Nehru-Gandhi family, but Gandhi's own). But it gets over 900 views a day. It badly needs one of:
What best to do? Johnbod ( talk) 04:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey. As the header says, I'm still in a Long search for Gandhi images which are public domain in the US. So they need to be before 1936, not published in the US within 30 days after, and with an identifiable first place of publication.. OR perhaps government works.... any ideas? ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 13:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Anybody knows about searching their non-JSTOR archives for a part. text-string, not contained in title and/or abstract? ∯WBG converse 05:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
If anyone would like to contribute for an article on ThePrint which is at Draft:ThePrint but has failed WP:AfC for claims dishonorable failure to satisfy WP:AFC reviewer ... mainly due lack of WP:COMPETENCY of most recent AfC submitter methinks, they are welcome to contribute. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 21:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
All political maps of India need update following creation of J&K UT and Ladakh UT. Followup to Talk:Jammu and Kashmir (union territory)#Map. - Nizil ( talk) 05:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Markandey Katju needs complete rewrite. The article is a mess and filled with routine news coverage.- Nizil ( talk) 06:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Please have a look at Mahavira and share your views for FA. Thanks Capankajsmilyo( Talk | Infobox assistance) 08:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey can you have a look at Kartarpur Corridor and Ayodhya dispute articles. Both have been nominated for front page. Need you to assess and correct any mistakes on the article. Sherenk1 ( talk) 14:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The page on Lipulekh Pass is suddenly seeing a burst of Nepalese editing activity today. I have no idea why. There is certainly kind of a border dispute there, but the exact status is unclear. Please keep a watch on this page. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 13:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
So, the cat is out of the bag today.
In a public statement issued in Nepali, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said, “The Nepal government is very clear that Kalapani is a Nepali territory and any unilateral move to alter the border demarcation is not acceptable.”
Any idea what "alteration" was done? As far as I have seen the border has been the same on Google maps ever since I first checked (around the time of the Doklam standoff). -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 23:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
The drainage area of the Kalapani lies wholly within British territory, but a short way below the [Kalapani] springs the Kali forms the boundary with Nepal. [1]
References
Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Peravurani? There's been quite a lot of unsourced content added to it by a WP:SPA over the last few months, much which needed to be WP:REVDELeted as copyvios. Most likely the edits are being made in good faith, but perhaps much of what is being added falls under WP:NOTEVERYTHING, etc. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
The article gives the text of the Pledge in various regional languages but doesn't cite a source, and I believe at least the Hindi and Sanskrit versions are not the "official" translations. I failed to find a source for the official translations; can someone here help, please? Huon ( talk) 13:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I have made comments at Talk:Sri Ganganagar district#Sri, Shri, or both. Interested parties please weigh in. Otr500 ( talk) 19:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I ran across Draft:Umali. This could be the start of village articles numbering around 649,481 (2018 census) so is there a reason these villages cannot be like named as Umali, India? Otr500 ( talk) 20:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, Lingzhi2, Moonraker, Saqib, RegentsPark, Abecedare, SpacemanSpiff, Joe Roe, PakEditor, Cordyceps-Zombie, and RaviC: Sorry to be pinging you all the time, but I have created the same infobox format of map and images for all the disputed sub-regions of Kashmir. View the formats at Jammu and Kashmir, Ladakh, Gilgit-Baltistan, and Azad Kashmir. (The fifth, Aksai Chin, administered by China, I will get to tomorrow.) I have removed all insinuations of sovereignty such as emblems, seals, and anthems. All have the University of Texas/CIA map of Kashmir that has been in the Kashmir infobox for upward of a dozen years, which I have updated. They each have only two pictures in the infobox. No more. Please help in preserving this format. I believe it is NPOV, and if preserved, it will go a long way in reducing the POV-promotion in Kashmir-related articles. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 08:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey, can I get help with the following articles up for merging:
They are most likely about the same person and should be merged. I am not sure which spelling of the name should be used. Please respond at Talk:Jyothi_Raj#Merge. -- Hecato ( talk) 17:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
As I have specified in the talk page, this biography of a living person is full of NPOV statements. It reads like a long chewing out of an individual. There needs to be some neutrality reintroduced and encyclopedic content put back in this article. Can someone help with a consensus (on talk page) to put the NPOV tag on this article? Rabbabodrool ( talk) 04:52, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Anyone interested in his biography+work about Pakistan-India conflict may see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamal Mustafa (filmmaker). Give your suggestions. Thanks. Störm (talk) 13:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Swaminarayan_Sampraday#Request_for_comment.— Harshil want to talk? 15:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Please see Talk:List of districts of Tamil Nadu#Map in infobox needs updating. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, fellow Wikipedians. Please help us at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ustad Ghulam Mohammed Khan if anyone is interested. Störm (talk) 12:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
The Panjab University, Chandigarh article was moved to Panjab University after a move discussion in June 2016 (see here). I have created new categories accordingly, but the older ones are still here: Category:Panjab University, Chandigarh, Category:Panjab University, Chandigarh alumni, and Category:Panjab University, Chandigarh faculty. So WP:C2D applies here. As of now, I have soft redirected them to their new titles, as it seems like a better choice due to similar named universities (see Punjab University). But then again, I hardly know anything about categories. Maybe we should just delete the older one. Any thoughts? - NitinMlk ( talk) 15:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Rishabh.rsd is pushing too high Jain POV in Jainism related articles. He is adding names like Shri, Bhagwan, Lord and God even after I had warned him multiple times not to do so as it is violation of WP:NPOV under WP:HONORIFIC and WP:NCIN. He did here, here, here and POV push. If possible then to impose topic ban on Jainism will be enough for this user because he is mostly pushing high POV in all of his articles and his contributions outside this topic is zero. Pinging @ Winged Blades of Godric and El C:.-- Harshil want to talk? 15:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I have nothing to add or subtract about the scope of the discretionary sanctions; however, I am perplexed by the three examples of Jain POV promotion by @ Rishabh.rsd: offered by @ Harshil169: in the first post of this thread. In the first place, does it not seem a little secretive, if not also paternalistic, to have a thread in a public forum such as WT:INDIA to be titled "Keep an eye on ..." and for its inaugural post to begin with {{noping|Rishabh.rsd}}? In the second place, how many gratuitous applications of "Lord" or "Goddess" in the naming of deities of Hinduism would you like me to ferret out on Wikipedia? Hundreds, thousands? Here is just the tip of the iceberg: Goddess Lakshmi, Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Goddess Kali. I'm not saying that the behavior of the Rishabh.rsd does not warrant our concern, but do the examples offered in the first post justify jumping to talking about topic bans? He's made a thousand edits in the last year. With such a slowpoke history, how much POV promotion can he have done? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 03:30, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thanks all for sharing your thoughts, this thread has turned out to be very useful in understanding the scope of ARBIND. One final question on procedure. Assume there are 2 editors X and Y both have DS/IPA alert posted on their talk page recently since they edited Kashmir. Now they had a content dispute on Nagraj (comics). Nagraj (comics) currently does not have an ARBIND banner on the talk page. X is misbehaving and also has a history of misbehavior. Can Y take X to WP:ARE ? or does an admin first needs to slap a DS banner on the article talk page.-- DBig Xrayᗙ 08:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
I've updated the National Council for Human Resource in Health in India article to reflect recent developments. However, I'm still not sure I've got all this straight, since the reporting is quite confusing on this issue. Can someone with knowledge of medical regulation in India please check this, and the other related articles on this subject, as the whole issue seems to be in flux? -- The Anome ( talk) 10:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Namaste/Satsriakal
This is to bring to notice that there is an inadvertant error in below file on left. Easy mistake due to names. Names for numbers 19 and 21 need to be swapped. 19 is SBS Nagar and 21 is SAS Nagar. This error has also crept into different language translations.
Trust that is helpful - Jazze7 ( talk) 13:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Please see Special:Contributions/2409:4041:268C:96D1:D024:B3FF:FEC8:1939/32 for numerous, minor spammy or vandalism edits to Indianin the last day or two, for example this or this, or not so minor, like this; about half of them to Indian topics, the other half not. Mathglot ( talk) 21:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Can someone update the recent developments regarding case in the article? It’s not being updated since September and I’ve no details of all updates.— Harshil want to talk? 12:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The article contains BS. It confuses history with mythology and lacks critical commentary. I’m going to clean this article. If someone wants to help then they’re invited to do so. — Harshil want to talk? 05:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a requested move here, for which everyone's input is needed. Thanks.-- Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello, your opinion would be welcome at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 6#List of Scheduled Castes. List of Scheduled Castes was once a proper list, but was redirected a few years ago, and it doesn't seem we have such a list elsewhere. -- BDD ( talk) 14:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but I notice that in some article titles "taluk" is not capitalized ( Madurai-North taluk, Madurantakam taluk) while in others it is ( Paravur Taluk, Athani Taluk). It seems like the capitalization should be made consistent, and my understanding from previous discussions of WP:NCCAPS is that "taluk" should probably be lowercase (compare how e.g. Pathanamthitta District et al were moved to Pathanamthitta district et al, US "At-large district" articles were moved, etc). Anyone want to weigh in? -sche ( talk) 00:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
There are two deletion requests under discussion at the moment where the basic question is if Padma Shri is a major award, according notability to a person per WP:ANYBIO. The two discussions are Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijay Prakash Singh. My own personal opinion is that Padma Shri, the fourth highest civilian award of a country of 1.35 billion people is a major one. I am posting this note here as both the articles are of interest from a WikiProject India perspective.-- jojo@nthony ( talk) 13:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on this page - The Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2019 - and help expand/clean as per policy. DTM ( talk) 10:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Anybody with a Caravan Subscription, who can help me get
this piece?
∯WBG
converse 12:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Jha Sanjay was previously at Sanjay Jha (speaker). I don't believe it was validly moved as the name used within the article is still "Sanjay Jha". Could someone confirm the correct title. Thanks. MB 05:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
@ NitinMlk: before my cleanup, article was about his so called motivational career and superfluous claims of eloquent speaker. He is politician. — Harshil want to talk? 22:16, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi all, we've been kind of tip-toeing around this issue for a while in Indian film articles, so I thought it was time to open a larger discussion about how we should format writing credits and music credits in the infobox, given that Indian films often have a "dialogues" credit for writers, and often use the |music=
parameter to indicate who wrote the film's songs, even though the field is typically intended for the film's score. Your input is encouraged at
Template talk:Infobox film#Indian films: How to format writing credits and music credits?. Thanks,
Cyphoidbomb (
talk) 19:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a requested move at Talk:Modern Sub Machine Carbine that would benefit from your opinion. Please come and help! PI Ellsworth ed. put'r there 17:00, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Architecture of Bengal, a mainly historical article, begins: "The architecture of Bengal, which comprises the modern country of Bangladesh and the Indian states of West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa, Tripura, Assam's Barak Valley,...". This seems an excessive area to claim to me, not that I'm any expert. Might adding "parts of" before Bihar, or elsewhere, help? Thoughts? Johnbod ( talk) 21:53, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
The Gol Gumbaz article has seen a fair amount of IP vandalism recently. I think I've fixed it now, but I know little about the subject. If more knowledgeable people would be so kind as to keep an eye on it and quickly revert any vandalism, I would appreciate it. If it gets too bad, I'd support page protection. HLHJ ( talk) 17:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Before you make an edit, please ensure that you have reverted any previous vandalism. All edits without edit summaries are candidates for reversion, especially if they have a references removed tag. If you make further edits without doing this, other editors will be entitled to revert your edit along with the vandalism, unless it is easy to separate the two. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Need some eyes at Kayastha and Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha during the holiday season. Usual caste-cruft backed by poor sources, by a single user. It's appalling that article that receives an average 700+ hits daily managed to have this lead listing Vedah.net, Kamat.com, Hindunet.org etc. as sources, for several days. utcursch | talk 16:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
At Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil#Shamsheer or Vayalil or Parambath?, I've a question about the subject's name, if someone could have a look. Thanks. —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 12:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello colleagues. Is there anyone familiar with Indian politician U. R. Krishnan and would you be willing to help enhance and improve the article about him? Thanks very much. Dr42 ( talk) 08:12, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Can some admin delete User:Jaswindermehra13 page? It just contains transliterated Punjabi language curse words. I have CSDed it, but only a Punjabi/Hindi speaking admin will be able to understand the meaning of its content. BTW, the page was created by a newbie who is indulging in disruptive editing at mali/Saini-related articles. - NitinMlk ( talk) 22:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
If X is an article about a city, town, district or other administrative unit, it's bound to have a section called "Notable people", usually listing a fair number of people. These sections tend to attract a great number of edits, mostly from IPs, that add:
The vast majority of edits are not constructive, and among the ones that are there's always the added burden of locating the article (not always linked, with the difficulty compounded by the existence of spelling variants), and verifying the entry is correct (laborious due to the the commonplace absence of relevant information in the respective article).
The net result is that these lists take massive amounts of editor time to police, which is out of proportion to to their marginal encyclopedic value. Do we really need those lists? – Uanfala (talk) 15:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
has lived there (any years)", then they are "from" there. I guess "
any years" mean at least one year. But this criterion is untenable and will make these lists look fatuous. I have just looked at the articles of three Gandhis, and as per this criterion, Mahatma Gandhi seems like "from" places like London, Durban, Johannesburg, New Delhi, Champaran, different parts of Gujarat, etc. Similarly, Rahul Gandhi seems from Delhi, Florida, Cambridge, London, etc. And Rajiv Gandhi seems from Delhi, Dehradun, Cambridge, London, Mumbai, etc. But when we state that someone is from X place, I guess we normally mean that they hail from there, or have spent a considerable amount of early life there, which in turn may have an impact on their remaining life. Anyway, this particular criterion needs to be either amended or discarded. - NitinMlk ( talk) 19:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
if a reliable source identifies him from a place then he fits the criteria" – will take care of it. BTW, I am not jumping on anything; rather I want to set the inclusion criteria straight. - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
has lived there (any years)" was basically a clarification, if a dispute arises that a Subject is mentioned from A as well as B in different RSes, In those cases, we are not supposed to count the years etc, but inclusively mention the name at both places, since we have an RS to back it up. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 20:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, could I please trouble someone for help with a verification of content in Telugu? Someone has indicated that in this NTV interview, (it's a verified channel) at around 14:00, Raghava Lawrence talks about his family origin. The issue is about whether or not he is Telugu or Tamil. He was born in Tamil Nadu, so my default assumption would be that he was Tamil, but that's not always the case, obviously and I'm trying to manage some back-and-forth editing at his article. And if anyone can find a clearer reference on this, I'd appreciate it. I haven't been successful. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 14:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests. DBig Xrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 10:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Uttar_Pradesh_Police_are_threatening_legal_action_against_vandals_for_defacing_their_Wiki_page. Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBig Xrayᗙ 10:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello. The article Do I exist: A riddle, a short film by Mumbai filmmaker Dhruva Harsh, has been nominated for deletion (not by me). I don't know much about this film and have found only a few English-language sources about it (examples here and here), and it looks like it's been chosen for a number of international film festivals. I'm trying to get a sense of whether it meets Wikipedia's notability standards, and am wondering if there are other reliable sources out there, perhaps not in the English langauge, that could establish its notability. But I'm not sure the best way to go about finding such sources. Would anyone here know a good place to look? — Hunter Kahn 14:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Sonny_Mehta this RD. If anyone can update the article and reflect their views then it would be better.-- Harshil want to talk? 14:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Kautilya3, Vanamonde93, RegentsPark, Winged Blades of Godric, Sitush, Abecedare, Tamravidhir, Doug Weller, SpacemanSpiff, Titodutta, and Fowler&fowler:
Hi All, in the past few days, several POV edits have been made to this article (For example This diff), to portray this as a Hindu festival even though it is a secular festival celebrated by all religions (Hindus, Muslims as well as Christians) of Kerala. [1]
References
Few days back
an IP posted a message on my talk page stating
"BJP-RSS propaganda in
Onam article to make it more
Hindu than secular and to alter its myth by diminishing the importance of
Mahabali over
Vamana. Ms Sarah Welch is restoring problematic content by
Snowcream without discussion. Onam is celebrated all over Kerala irrespective of religion.
2409:4073:30D:F96:6431:C9DF:B49E:479D (
talk) 06:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)"
Since this is a controversial topic, I would request more editors to share their thoughts about these changes on the talk page. -- Happy New Year! ᗙ DBig Xrayᗙ 14:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Vallur? There's been a bit of edit-warring which I suspect comes down to the fact that there's several different places called Vallur in India and we need to create new articles for each of them, but I don't know enough about Indian geography to comment. TIA Le Deluge ( talk) 14:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Last time we had a discussion here regarding usage of multiple regions to define the location of a state. The outcome of the discussion was in favour of following the general definition (as in Britannica) and not to have multi-regional definitions in the lead, disregarding all other less commonly used definitions that can be found in govt. websites, books, news sources. Recently, in the Bihar article [12] another geographical region has been added citing this source. Per above, the newer addition need to be removed. However if we plan to keep it, we should note that the source can be used to multi-define other states as well e.g. Maharashtra as a central Indian state and West Bengal in north-east, a departure from accepted definitions. Would like to ping people involved in the older discussion @ Fowler&fowler, Gotitbro, and Kautilya3: for suggestions. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 17:11, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Please consider reviewing some of the drafts awaiting review in your project scope, our backlog is over 3,700 articles right now. JTP ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
A new editor Isak.lund ( talk · contribs) who made his first edit in tremendously late December 2019 has been making a whirlwind of minor edits in a number of articles. Could people keep an eye on them? Per WP rules, we have to assume good faith, and in this spirit, I welcome him aboard, (Welcome!), but when new editors are making edit after edit—none betraying the beginner's hesitations—in highly-viewed articles, we also want to protect Wikipedia, especially at a time when its ranks have thinned. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Be quick and apply protection on page. Lots of vandalism is happening in a minute. Please add this in watchlist and revert vandalism. -- Harshil want to talk? 10:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
An article that your project should be interested in— Narth Sarel—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:00, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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virtually nonsense,unecyclopedic and lacks any notability
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I came across edits by 144.48.111.211 while looking through the Jagadish Chandra Bose article in which a Bangladesh specific POVPUSH was being done . Others edits by the IP seems to be in the same non-good faith category of nationalistic POVPUSHing. I am not much familiar with the India-Bangladesh topic, so ask other users to take a look. The IP has also been restoring older POV content in other articles. Pinging @ Kautilya3 and Fylindfotberserk:. Gotitbro ( talk) 09:05, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I am the new coordinator for WikiProject History. we need people there!! right now the project seems to be semi-inactive. I am going to various WikiProjects whose topics overlap with ours, to request volunteers.
we welcome your input. thanks!! -- Sm8900 ( talk) 01:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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This is to draw the attention to bring in notice in assessment and modification on Pasi (caste), as the article in the current state seems to be failing Neutral point of view as it only talks about the past of the community and its content is mostly discriminatory relyed on the sources published before the partition of India and the formation of the Indian constitution which has legally abolished caste, gender and racial discrimination.
The content of the article itself begins with the phrase The Pasi were one of the untouchable communities which is true, yet not neutral and is more of caste-biased and if we follow the same trend and pattern of writing articles on Wikipedia will we begin the article of Narendra Modi with the phrase that ...he was a poor tea-seller belonging to the lower caste-section, OBC... instead of he is an Indian politician serving as the 14th and current Prime Minister of India since 2014? We shall also not forget the fact that few authors have quoted India as the land of the Snake charmer with their few minutes of observation at the sea-coast of the Indian ocean which has ultimately portrayed the wrong image of India as it does not make every Indian a snake charmer.
Well-cited edits from the reliable sources to this article was recently reverted by @ Primefac: with the summary Whitewashing and comment on my talk page "Please stop trying to whitewash articles and remove any indication that a caste is (or was) an untouchable." even though the "Present circumstances" section has information about the past of the community, which wasn't an attempt to whitewash the article.
Doubtlessly, it's a part of the history of the community which can be included in the history section of the article rather than defaming the community on its history and the past which is legally not valid.
Interested editors are invited to give their point-of-view while considering WP:GS/Caste and WP:NPOV. — Sanskari Hangout 09:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I blocked User:GIMEXCO LTD. for a promotional username and promotional edits. I've been advised that the same user exists on the Bengali Wikipedia and that their page there is also promotional. If anyone cares to check that out, I would be grateful. Deb ( talk) 15:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Ongoing_removal_Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests. DBig Xrayᗙ 23:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Just put more eyes on Jaggi Vasudev and Isha Foundation. I had worked hard to remove superfluous and unsourced claims with addition of reception. But I received calls from their probable Bhakts to put Jaggi in positive light for almost ₹30K-40K which I’d refused. I’m receiving mails and messages regarding this off-wiki. There’ve been constant attempts from the foundation via meat and sock to whitewash nonsense of Jaggi. Spot those editors and block them to reduce stress and take these pages upto ECP. Harshil want to talk? 00:54, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
I know this is probably beneath the normal scope of interest at this board, but I'm curious if anyone watches Divya Drishti. Short question: While I know Karan Khanna was once a cast member, was he part of the main cast?
Context: About a week ago I was dealing with an editor or editors who had repeatedly deleted Karan Khanna's name from the article entirely, like here as if the guy had never appeared on the series. (Demonstrably he did.) As you'll note, the editor deleted Khanna's name for playing the character Shikhar Shergill, but left Mishkat Varma, who currently plays the character. After semi-protecting the article, the user is now arguing on the talk page that Khanna was never a main cast member, so Khanna should be moved down to Recurring, but I'm further confused because the user hasn't said anything about whether Mishkat Varma should get moved down. Did this role expand to main cast with the new guy, or is this a case of an editor trying to manipulate the Main cast to represent the current lineup rather than promoting a historical picture of the series' most important cast members? Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 14:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles#Legislative Assembly constituency names. Italawar ( talk) 12:32, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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There is a number of ongoing AfDs that break all logic and a wider community involvement would be of interest. A number of articles on entities linked to BJP (such as Bharatiya Kisan Sangh, Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha, etc.) are being nominated for deletion supposedly based on WP:GNG or WP:NORG, which is really weird considering that organizations like BJYM and BKS have larger membership base than the population of many sovereign countries. Regardless of how one feels about political events in India today, arguing that organizations BKS, BJYM, RSS, VHP, ABVP, SJM, etc. are non-notable defines common sense. -- Soman ( talk) 23:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
If you see a series of unsourced changes to population figures in Indian cities, please revert these on sight (and if possible, block the LTA behind these). Thanks. El_C 18:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I am very troubled by recent changes in Wikipedia pages of Urdu poems written by Pakistani poets, including Iqbal (who died in 1930 but is the national poet of Pakistan) and Faiz Ahmad Faiz. The pages are Hum Dekhenge and Lab Pe Aati Hai Dua, both sleepy little pages, until the poems became the focus of controversies in India. These pages, especially Hum Dekhenge, are being edited frenetically by Indian editors who are adding dozens of Indian newspaper citations. The thing to remember is that the pages are about the poems. If the poems have become controversial in India recently it is not a warrant for adding the Devanagari script to them, or for creating a Controversy section. All that belongs to pages on recent protests or controversies in India, not to the pages about the poem. As there are many more Indian editors on Wikipedia than there are Pakistani, these pages are unable to retain their original balance. Devanagari scripts do not belong to these poems. I appeal to Indian editors to keep these pages free from WP:UNDUE. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Fowler&fowler: I know that you are self-declared lazy if you dislike something; I remain curious even if it's to my own detriment. Click here and get ready to cringe: Bindi (decoration)#Modern use. ;)
Iqbal was not a Pakistani poet, he was an Indian poet. There was no Pakistan at the time. And there was Hindustani poetry -- this is an example. Hindustani, another name for Urdu, was Iqbal's language. AFAICT, Iqbal wrote in the Urdu script. It's trivial to convert it to Nagari, but the concerns of WP:INDICSCRIPT are relevant here. We don't need this in both scripts, just the original one. And no, not just in Roman, because the transcription conventions are often rather arbitrary and the conversion is often inaccurate. I personally would want to be able to read it alongside the original script. But though I can read Nagari more easily than Urdu, I don't see any added value here. If I wanted to confirm the Nagari, I'd click on the link to Hindi WP. So unless someone can present an actual reason why Nagari is appropriate here, I agree with Fowler that we need to remove it to avoid the kind of idiotic battle that was the reason we had to come up with the only slightly less idiotic WP:INDICSCRIPT policy.
That said, I don't see any problem with adding pop usage / controversy sections, as long as they don't violate NPOV. They may be of interest to our readers. — kwami ( talk) 13:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
The controversy section regarding "Lab pe aati hai dua" is something which happened by directly singing the poem. It deserves to be on the Wikipedia page of the same. TheEshanKumar ( talk) 17:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
BTW, when I removed the Nagari per INDICSCRIPTS (and per the ideal of not cluttering the page), I kept the sections on popular use and controversy (technically I restored them, since I had just deleted them by reverting the page). That wasn't a judgement by me that they pass UNDUE, merely that I saw no particular reason to delete them. Nor that I disagree with Austronesier etc. on whether "Controversy" is the best section heading. (It may very likely not be.) So please don't interpret my edit as a vote of support for either side of that argument. Those sections still need to meet our standards for appropriateness, sourcing, NPOV, etc., and I didn't consider any of those things. — kwami ( talk) 23:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I understand that 'you think' all Indians don't understand each others languages, but at least use 1 script of 13 major scripts from India?? what's the point of creating a country related wiki page without using/promoting their languages and culture? I suggest using pure Devanagari, since it very easy for North Indians to read because of mutual intelligibility due to Sanskrit, and is used by 500 million Indians at least. [1] Sagnique ( talk) 02:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Can someone re-assess the Love Jihad, CAA, National Register of Citizens and National Population Register articles? They are completely one-sided. I tried and failed - I was trying to add that Muslims in India need not worry. There is a discussion going on at the Talk page of Religious conversions in Pakistan - I request you all for comments on that Talk page. If this is not the right place to ask for help, please let me know where to ask. Thanks!— Spasiba5 ( talk) 15:56, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, does anyone have access to any archives printed or otherwise from The Hindu? DragoMynaa appears to be trying to add a reference about Neethone Vuntanu, and is trying to find the origin of this IdleBrain.com film review, so that they can source it. IdleBrain added a courtesy note that the material came from The Hindu. I've tried poking around the Wayback Machine, and even got as far as this snapshot of their 1 February 2002 entertainment page, and this snapshot of their cinema archives, but I don't see anything related to Neethone Vuntanu. If anyone can help track down the origin, or provide any other kind of help, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 02:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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For nearly 13 years now, I have been watching with disappointment, and sometimes dismay, the back and forth over Kashmir, the thrusting and parrying of national POVs, all to no avail. What a waste of time and energy it has been!
Yesterday and today, August 14 and 15, commemorate the decolonization of South Asia. It is also roughly the time that the Kashmir dispute began. What better way to mark that time than to agree on some phrasing with which to begin the Kashmir-related pages of significance. In coming up with such phrasing, I have been helped by the corresponding phrasing in the "Kashmir" page in Encyclopaedia Britannica. That page begins with:
Lead sentences of "Kashmir," in Britannica
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Kashmir, region of the northwestern Indian subcontinent. It is bounded by the Uygur Autonomous Region of Xinjiang to the northeast and the Tibet Autonomous Region to the east (both parts of China), by the Indian states of Himachal Pradesh and Punjab to the south, by Pakistan to the west, and by Afghanistan to the northwest. The region, with a total area of some 85,800 square miles (222,200 square km), has been the subject of dispute between India and Pakistan since the partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947. The northern and western portions are administered by Pakistan and comprise three areas: Azad Kashmir, Gilgit, and Baltistan, the last two being part of a territory called the Northern Areas. Administered by India are the southern and southeastern portions, which constitute the state of Jammu and Kashmir but are slated to be split into two union territories. The Indian- and Pakistani-administered portions are divided by a “line of control” agreed to in 1972, although neither country recognizes it as an international boundary. In addition, China became active in the eastern area of Kashmir in the 1950s and has controlled the northeastern part of Ladakh (the easternmost portion of the region) since 1962. |
Note: The Britannica sentences mention "slated to be union territories," so they are up to date. Furthermore, three things are clear from Britannica's phrasing: (a) the region is disputed and (b) all its parts are "administered," and (c) the northern (Gilgit-Baltistan) and western (Azad Kashmir) regions are under Pakistani administration; the southern (Jammu and Kashmir) and southeastern (Ladakh) under Indian, and the eastern (Aksai Chin) under Chinese. Based on this, a major tertiary source, and of many other sources I have looked at, I would like to propose the following lead sentence:
____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting in a general way the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and India and China since 1959.
The "general way" has been added to protect the sentences from nitpickers. If the pages Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, Jammu and Kashmir Ladakh, Kashmir valley, Jammu and Aksai Chin can have this as their lead sentence, I believe a big headache would disappear overnight. It is a mouthful, to be sure, but it is accurate. Purveyors of POV will be less inclined to thrust and parry when the article is wearing such NPOV armor. Pinging @ Kautilya3, Saqib, Vanamonde93, El C, RegentsPark, Winged Blades of Godric, Sitush, MilborneOne, Chipmunkdavis, Abecedare, Drmies, Joshua Jonathan, Tamravidhir, DeluxeVegan, Gotitbro, Lingzhi2, Ceoil, SlimVirgin, Bbb23, Bishonen, Ms Sarah Welch, Moonraker, DuncanHill, Doug Weller, Philip Baird Shearer, Mar4d, Rjensen, HLGallon, Ragib, and Titodutta: and any others I might have missed. I am especially keen to hear from Saqib. If he on board (with the Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan pages), it will be easier for the same consensus on the Indian-administered Kashmir pages. Please keep Walt Whitman in mind:
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, were tender with you, and stood aside for you? Have you not learned great lessons of those who braced themselves against you and disputed the passage with you?
Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC) PS In pinging the various people, I am not canvassing, just racking my brains to randomly pick people I can remember seeing on South Asia related pages, whether in consonance, dissonance, or happy oblivion. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
( ←) I am very much in favor of standardization. Perhaps...
____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, and constituting in a general way the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region. All regions of Kashmir except its east have been the subject of dispute between India and Pakistan since the Partition of India in 1947; administration of its east has been disputed between India and China since 1959.
♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
"in a general way"is unnecessary, but otherwise I endorse F&F's proposal entirely; because this is how reliable sources, and in particular independent scholarly sources, describe the situation. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and India and China since 1959.-- I hope this will be cited by an RS. Is it going to be a general one or going to change in different articles? Or actually, other parts a) "AdminEntity" is a part of "CountryA", b) it is administered by "ContryA" will need similar RS.
for example, at link to article, the lead would read "...".Johnuniq ( talk) 08:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, and Lingzhi2: I'm not sure I've understood all the points, but let me say, generally, that for the sourcing I want to appeal to WP:TERTIARY, and what it says about due weight. I want to address essentially two issues in the sourcing, that (a) the region is disputed, and (b) that the sub-regions are "administered" (without implying anything about sovereignty). Specialist secondary sources (monographs and the like) are not useful here as there are too many of them, and they all finesse nuances which distract. I have the following sources in mind (two encyclopedias and two undergraduate histories of South Asia, two of India, and two tertiary sources about Pakistan (one an undergraduate text; the other a survey article):
Tertiary sources for possible use in the RfC
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Based on these, I think the simplest proposal would be:
____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, later joined in by China.
Let me know if this is acceptable, or what tweaks are needed. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC) Updated Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, and Lingzhi2: Although I had initially proposed the lead sentence for the larger sub-region of Kashmir, after hearing from a number of people, especially @ Kautilya3:, I see the value of generalizing and of striking while the iron is hot. I have therefore made it a four tier proposal, which applies to (A) the larger regions Jammu and Kashmir, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, and Aksai Chin, (B) their administrative divisions, such as Gilgit Division, Kashmir Division, (C) to all the districts in (B); and (D) to all the district capitals in (C).
(A) Large Regions: ____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, etc., and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1]
Examples are: Jammu and Kashmir, Azad Kashmir. For regions in which the form of administration is not clearly defined, the examples are Aksai Chin and Gilgit-Baltistan
(B) Administrative Divisions: ____________ is an administrative division of/in _______________, a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1] Examples are: Gilgit Division, Poonch Division, and Kashmir Division.
(C) Districts: ____________ is a district in (name of administrative division) of (name of larger region), a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1] Examples are Anantnag District, Mirpur District.
(D) District Capitals: ____________ is the capital of __________ district in (name of larger region), a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity (etc.), and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China from somewhat later. [1] Examples are Anantnag City, Mirpur City.
As you will see that there is the danger of sounding clunky when the regression becomes long. I will come up with some judicious contractions in the final version. The total number of pages affected by the RfC are: (i) in Jammu and Kashmir, Three divisions, 22 districts, 22 district capitals (48 pages), (ii) in Azad Kashmir four divisions, 10 districts, 10 district capitals (25 pages) (iii) in Gilgit-Baltistan Three divisions, 10 districts, 10 capitals (24 pages), and (iv) in Aksai Chin (1 page), grand totalling 48 + 25 + 24 + 1= 98 pages. That is a lot to be sure, but it is better to tackle them systematically than haphazardly. Finally, as the proposal addresses "administered" areas, it does not apply to other notable pages, such as those of a notable city that is not a district capital, a pilgrimage site, a natural feature, such as a mountain, or a lake, i.e. anything outside the ambit of (A) through (D) above. We can come back to those later. Please give your feedback. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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@ Abecedare: Sounds great. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, Lingzhi2, Moonraker, Saqib, RegentsPark, and Abecedare: Here's my new version, arrived at after weighing all your comments, especially RegentsPark's about not sounding like the disputes all began at the same time. I have reworded it. I may appear long to some, but it is precise. It has just two references, both wizened enyclopedias. I will add the "for example, see ..." once we have agreement on the language. Here they are. Please give me your feedback. Language within double parentheses (( ... )) has been added after receiving feedback.
(A) Large Regions: ____________ is a region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, etc., and constituting the northern/western/southern/southeastern/eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China since 1962. [1] Example: " Jammu and Kashmir is a region administered by India as a state, and constituting the southern and southeastern portion of the larger Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947, and between India and China since 1962."
(I originally had "... and between India and China openly since 1962, but in ferment through the late 1950s." or words to that effect, but I don't believe we need that kind of precision.)
(B) Administrative Divisions: ____________ is an administrative division of/in _______________, a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity, and claimed by Pakistan/China/India. [1] Example: Jammu Division is an administrative division of Jammu and Kashmir, a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India as a state and claimed by Pakistan."
(C) Districts: ____________ is a district in (name of administrative division) of (name of larger region), the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity and claimed by Pakistan/China/India. [1] Example: Jammu district is a district in the Jammu Division of Jammu and Kashmir, the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India as a state and claimed by Pakistan. [1]
(D) District Capitals: ____________ is the capital of __________ district in (name of larger region), the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by India/Pakistan/China as a state/union territory/nominally self-governing entity and claimed by Pakistan/China/India. [1] Example: " Mirpur is the capital of Mirpur district in Azad Kashmir, the latter being a portion of the disputed Kashmir region administered by Pakistan as a nominally self-governing entiry and claimed by India. [1]"
Please give your prompt feedback so I can get on with the RfC itself. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk»
Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:44, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Udhampur is a district in Jammu and Kashmir, a region administered by India as a state, and constituting the southern portion of the larger Kashmir regionis liable to be misread as implying that it's Udhampur district (rather than J&K) that is the souther portion of Kashmir. – Uanfala (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Uanfala: Thus for Mirpur it would read: "
Mirpur is the capital of
Mirpur district in
Azad Kashmir, the latter being a region administered by
Pakistan as a nominally self-governing entity, and constituting the western portion of the larger
Kashmir region which has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947 and between India and China since 1962 after being in ferment through the late 1950s.
[1] (scratching the in ferment bit out).
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Multiple editors have added a large number of unsourced entries at List of Dalits, which has in turn created BLP-related issues. So, someone familiar with the list should revert it to an appropriate revision. - NitinMlk ( talk) 19:50, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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Greetings, is there someone here familiar with languages written in Devanagari to comment on the sourcing of Nurul Alam Chowdhury? Literally every source is written in such a language. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 12:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi all. The WP:Top 25 Report, as the title suggests, is a newspaper-style report on the top 25 most-viewed articles on Wikipedia published weekly. India-related articles have always been a staple of the report, but in the past year or so, these articles have gone from periodical hits once in a month or so to many appearances in a week's report, for eg: Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/August 4 to 10, 2019, Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/June 23 to 29, 2019, Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/May 19 to 25, 2019, etc. If any of you are interested in writing reports (and as a side providing your more knowledgeable views on India-related topics) please let us know. 2.51.23.164 ( talk) 07:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anyone from this Wikipedia can read (and assess) some of the non-English sources being cited in Bill Hutchens. One of the sources seems to be to MediaOne TV, which is listed as being under the scope of this WikiProject, but I'm not sure what language the source is written. So, I'm just asking here on the hope that someone might be able to read the source. If anyone is able to assess the source (particularly for WP:NACTOR purposes), please post at Talk:Bill Hutchens#Notability. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Kolkata for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKay ( talk) 08:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi guys can someone address the West Bengal article issue. The first thing which caught my eye in the lead is the number of references. Though some may be necessary, we could, perhaps, reduce the number of references in the lead, given the same information is covered elsewhere in a section with apt citations. The lead provides excessive details, which is not required at all it would be better to mentioned in the main body. It should be as per WP:SS and WP:Lead fixation. There are information cited in the lead which does not appear in the body of the text. The article has been copy edited by GOCE editors, after few fixes the article is ready for its GA review. Thanks-- Aakanksha55 ( talk) 08:51, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, could any of you please check if the image on the Babri Masjid article is actually the image of the named masjid? I am quite unsure. I have attached the image here. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 15:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Kollam has been nominated for merging with Template:WikiProject India. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. PC78 ( talk) 17:25, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silence Day (2nd nomination). I will be interested to see, if anyone can dig secondary coverage of the event in contrast to the bunch of primary sources from in-house-presses, which are currently being added, in bulk. ∯WBG converse 15:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Architecture of India, Coinage of India, Kosambi has been brutally vandalised and massive content has been removed which were properly cited using academic sources, i have tried restoring those contents which have been present in the article since months. The user पाटलिपुत्र ( talk · contribs) has been solely responsible for that and some other senior editors have backed up that vandalism without providing convincing arguments.
content which has been removed are as follows
Most of Zombie gunner's images (as well as those of his multiple IPs) are probable copyright violations. He has been removing Deletion requests from nominated images in an attempt to block the evaluation process
[1]. We have been having severe editorial issues through IP jumping on these few India-related article which have been damaged beyond recognition. There are many copyvio issues, falsification of sources, dates (For example change of image description at Commons
false date then changing the description of Wikipedia
[2]) etc.... And it is impossible to correct as IPs keep returning without accountability (apparently same user, from two alternating places, now Zombie gunner since today). There have been several efforts at blocking the user
[3], but this is never ending. I have asked for article protection
here and I am attempting to clean up.
पाटलिपुत्र
Pat
(talk) 16:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, a user called Fowler&fowler ( talk · contribs) is now vandalising article Architecture of India, has reinstated a version from 2017 and cut down massive chunks of info without having any discussion, his particular target seems to be pre islamic/ non Islamic architecture which seem to show the user's agenda (please read his comments in the history tab), i request senior members to intervene and stop this user from doing so. Zombie gunner ( talk) 17:24, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Pitru Paksha, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Tamravidhir ( talk) 09:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Greetings to all. I have been working on the article on Durga Puja for the past few days. It would be of great help if those interested in the topic amongst you could provide with respective inputs to improve the article. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 03:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
An editor, पाटलिपुत्र ( talk · contribs) has been on a spree of edits that sometimes appear to be borderline POV, borderline OR, borderline UNDUE—edits that in my view violate the spirit of Wikipedia rules even if they don't always violate the letter. (See, for example, her/his caption of the infobox image of the Kushan Empire that I've recently corrected.) She/he does so on many South Asia-related pages, though sometimes more generally, and in the past, has copied (without paraphrasing) content from sites such as PLOS, or from other Wikipedia articles. Although this is allowed, s/he has not only not acknowledged this in the manner required but has also done so with such prolificity that it begins to border on the unencyclopedic. See for example, Talk:Neolithic#PLOS_citation_and_image_spamming and here. S/he has been sloppy in her/his characterization of images s/he has uploaded by the hundreds, uploading, for example, an image of a smaller copy of the Sarnath Capital in the National Museum in New Delhi, but labeling it the Sarnath Capital. We all make such errors now and then, but when someone does this on a scale as this editor seems to have done, it becomes a community concern, in my view, that is. I'm reticent about posting on ANI as this is not a black and white violation, but perhaps editors here who work on ancient India related pages have some ideas. The main issue for me is that cleaning up after her/him can waste an inordinate amount of community time. Pinging some editors and admins who work on ancient India: @ Kautilya3:, @ Ms Sarah Welch:, @ Abecedare:, @ Doug Weller:, @ RegentsPark:, @ Joshua Jonathan: for ideas. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC) Pinging @ पाटलिपुत्र: formally as well. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
So @ Fowler&fowler: you have already harassed me for having an Indian user name [5] or [6] (I added initials to my signature to humour you), accused me of "dumping a usual Indian smoke and mirrors" [7], not to mention your talks of "Hindu carbage" [8] (although I was not your direct target here), and now... image captions and use of Creative Commons texts which are not to your exact liking? I am fairly systematic in attributing CC text properly as Diannaa has already recognized, but errors happen. We're all just trying to do our best for this Encyclopedia. Let's cool down a bit, don't you think? I do not intend to respond further. Have a nice day. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Or legend, whichever is appropriate. I haven't reverted the new editor who added unsourced material at the top of the lead. I spent 5 minutes searching but only found snippets. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 15:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Kerala is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Kerala until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America 1000 20:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey all,
As I announced on the wikimediaindia-l back in June and in August on this noticeboard we are planning to return to fundraising in India in 2020. On Monday, we will be running a three hour test to further test our payments infrastructure.
We have gathered feedback from CIS, focus groups, and community members but you can also send feedback regarding the fundraising campaign directly on my talk page. Your feedback will definitely factor into our campaign for next year. Many Thanks Seddon (WMF) ( talk) 15:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I have been using this script for some days now. I have found it very useful and recommend this to all. It saves time by quickly rating and adding parameters to Wikiproject tags on the article, without even going to the talk page. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 09:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
The transliteration into international English is not correct. In English language there are no diacritics. Also the title Vṛścika is highly confusing for English language users, as it skips vowels and c is used instead of ch. Crashed greek ( talk) 09:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Mahatma Gandhi was the principal architect of the successful campaign for India's independence. Tomorrow, October 2, 2019, is his 150th birthday. To honor him, in less than half an hour, India, the Wikipedia page about his most sought-after prize, will be Today's Featured Article on the Main Page. Please keep an eye on the article, as well as the Mahatma Gandhi page. Best regards and best wishes, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Could someone take a look at Adivasi? User:Dev0745 is making extensive edits there, but I've the impression that parts of it may be rambling. For example:
Tribal are heterogeneous ethnic groups can be divided in five ethnolinguistic groups such as Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan and Andamanse. Indo-Aryan tribal have same origin as their negibour caste population. Dravidian tribal have also same origin as Dravidian caste population.
Thanks. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
So I wanted to create a barnstar specific to JK. (Had a few editors in mind whom I wanted to give it to and it can also be placed in the respective barnstar lists and project pages for others to use). Could someone help design it? Or any ideas as to what it should be? (keep it simple please in case i have to end up making it?) Thanks! DiplomatTesterMan ( talk) 13:52, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Looks like the issue got taken care of in my absence. I am not dismissing the idea out of hand, but this is not the right time for it. We might also think about what it would mean to give someone a "Kashmir barnstar", while so many of us know so little about Kashmiris per se. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
DTM, if you are fingers to itching to make barnstars, you might consider redesigning that nerdy Hinduism barnstar to something more personable, e.g., with a Diwali diya instead. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I am barging in here. I wanted to state that one may have to be cautious what is signified by the signifier. Tamravidhir ( talk) 18:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Indeed the previous J&K discussion ended with Not done. We are on to other things.
Coming back to the Diya barnstars, great job, DTM. The second one (black barnstar) looks quite sharp, and suggests bringing light into darkness, exactly the kind of thing a potential barnstart recipient might have done.
The first one (brown barnstar) needs some more work I think. Why is the diya in it oversized? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Wondering if other-language sources can be found for this award (see Draft:Raja Rao Award) given at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, 2000-08. Hyperbolick ( talk) 17:15, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the text in the census district handbooks (like those) is subject to copyright or similar restrictions? The website has a notice saying that the content is subject to copyright unless otherwise noted. But are there any exceptions? The reason I'm asking is that there's a very large chunk of text in Pauri Garhwal district that is copied from http://censusindia.gov.in/2011census/dchb/0506_PART_A_DCHB_GARHWAL.pdf, and I wanted to know for sure before trying to remove it (you know, out of respect for the great effort that some editor must have put in when copy-and-pasting). – Uanfala (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I'm writing an article on Dr. Bhasker Sharma, a homeopathy practitioner - it's available in my sandbox. I'm having trouble finding reliable sources to back up the information I have. Would anybody be able to provide some help? I don't speak Hindi and have no notion of which Hindi sources are ok to use or not. Any guidance is welcome! Thank you very much! Maud KOC ( talk) 08:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
I have started a monthly newsletter for WP India. You can join here Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Newsletter/Members___ CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk (We are the champions, my friends) 18:48, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
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The article Hindi–Urdu controversy looks dubious without much sources. Please look into it. Crashed greek ( talk) 08:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this edit introducing "(Mali)" in the hatnote may be incorrect. I'd like others who are more familiar with the subject to review and please determine what is correct, per the sources available. Thank you! Waggie ( talk) 06:42, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Template:Infobox Chinese}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Template:Infobox Chinese', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Template talk:Infobox Chinese#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Template:Infobox Chinese}}}}}}|the move discussion]]. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pyaar ki Pungi (2nd nomination). Some fresh opinions will be welcome. DBig Xrayᗙ 10:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I have started Draft:2019 Indian economic slowdown. Please help it expand. I am yet to add more information but more hands will be helpful. Regards,- Nizil ( talk) 06:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage. DBig Xrayᗙ 06:59, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Charts for Indian Film songs. DBig Xrayᗙ 08:27, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I just found a lots of good images by @ Itsmalay~commonswiki:, all well documented with ASI-Numbers but not yet categorized. If you looking for some missing pics about some india cultural monuments (e.g. for the Lists of State Protected Monuments in India) it is a treasure! cheers -- W like wiki good to know 12:17, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
at Vivek Agnihotri; after the subject gave a clarion call to his Twitter followers to whitewash his bio, we have Abhijeet Safai, engaging in similar behavior. ∯WBG converse 14:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Continuing the the previous discussion on how to organise the Jammu and Kashmir pages, we have agreed that:
The remaining questions:
-- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:03, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
The more work I do on the pages for the state and the future union territory the more I am beginning to think a single article could be appropriate for goth entities as there seems to be a lot of duplication between the two pages. I present a possible solution on my sandbox for such an article User:Cordyceps-Zombie/sandbox Cordyceps-Zombie ( talk) 14:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
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An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Kamaal Rashid Khan}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Kamaal Rashid Khan', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Talk:Kamaal Rashid Khan#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Kamaal Rashid Khan}}}}}}|the move discussion]]. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 09:31, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
If you are reading this, would you please add Vivek Agnihotri to your watchlist. I'm concerned about the general tone and shape of the article (flop, hit, reference bloat, etc), but I'm also concerned about the phrasing in the controversies section. I want to make sure that if each controversy is worth including, that it explains with clear syntax what the controversies were, and provides sufficient context, without drawing any conclusions or including unconscious editorials like "abused". Thank you. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:33, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Could someone tell me the newspapers, TV channels, and magazines in Sri Lanka with high credibility? I am now working on Colombo Financial City in Chinese version, but I don't know how to find the trustworthy newspapers in Sri Lanka. Johnson.Xia ( talk) 20:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Recently created article Kumar Swami, a spiritual leader, needs cleanup. Please check the references and their quality. I do not know how to handle medical claims on dandruff treatment and diagnosis by voice. Regards,- Nizil ( talk) 13:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
This is an absolutely terrible stub, mostly rambling on about names for Gandhi himself (it is not on the Nehru-Gandhi family, but Gandhi's own). But it gets over 900 views a day. It badly needs one of:
What best to do? Johnbod ( talk) 04:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey. As the header says, I'm still in a Long search for Gandhi images which are public domain in the US. So they need to be before 1936, not published in the US within 30 days after, and with an identifiable first place of publication.. OR perhaps government works.... any ideas? ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 13:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Anybody knows about searching their non-JSTOR archives for a part. text-string, not contained in title and/or abstract? ∯WBG converse 05:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
If anyone would like to contribute for an article on ThePrint which is at Draft:ThePrint but has failed WP:AfC for claims dishonorable failure to satisfy WP:AFC reviewer ... mainly due lack of WP:COMPETENCY of most recent AfC submitter methinks, they are welcome to contribute. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 21:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
All political maps of India need update following creation of J&K UT and Ladakh UT. Followup to Talk:Jammu and Kashmir (union territory)#Map. - Nizil ( talk) 05:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Markandey Katju needs complete rewrite. The article is a mess and filled with routine news coverage.- Nizil ( talk) 06:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Please have a look at Mahavira and share your views for FA. Thanks Capankajsmilyo( Talk | Infobox assistance) 08:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey can you have a look at Kartarpur Corridor and Ayodhya dispute articles. Both have been nominated for front page. Need you to assess and correct any mistakes on the article. Sherenk1 ( talk) 14:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The page on Lipulekh Pass is suddenly seeing a burst of Nepalese editing activity today. I have no idea why. There is certainly kind of a border dispute there, but the exact status is unclear. Please keep a watch on this page. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 13:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
So, the cat is out of the bag today.
In a public statement issued in Nepali, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said, “The Nepal government is very clear that Kalapani is a Nepali territory and any unilateral move to alter the border demarcation is not acceptable.”
Any idea what "alteration" was done? As far as I have seen the border has been the same on Google maps ever since I first checked (around the time of the Doklam standoff). -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 23:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
The drainage area of the Kalapani lies wholly within British territory, but a short way below the [Kalapani] springs the Kali forms the boundary with Nepal. [1]
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Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Peravurani? There's been quite a lot of unsourced content added to it by a WP:SPA over the last few months, much which needed to be WP:REVDELeted as copyvios. Most likely the edits are being made in good faith, but perhaps much of what is being added falls under WP:NOTEVERYTHING, etc. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
The article gives the text of the Pledge in various regional languages but doesn't cite a source, and I believe at least the Hindi and Sanskrit versions are not the "official" translations. I failed to find a source for the official translations; can someone here help, please? Huon ( talk) 13:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I have made comments at Talk:Sri Ganganagar district#Sri, Shri, or both. Interested parties please weigh in. Otr500 ( talk) 19:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I ran across Draft:Umali. This could be the start of village articles numbering around 649,481 (2018 census) so is there a reason these villages cannot be like named as Umali, India? Otr500 ( talk) 20:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Vanamonde93, DeluxeVegan, Titodutta, Uanfala, Kautilya3, Johnuniq, Doug Weller, Lingzhi2, Moonraker, Saqib, RegentsPark, Abecedare, SpacemanSpiff, Joe Roe, PakEditor, Cordyceps-Zombie, and RaviC: Sorry to be pinging you all the time, but I have created the same infobox format of map and images for all the disputed sub-regions of Kashmir. View the formats at Jammu and Kashmir, Ladakh, Gilgit-Baltistan, and Azad Kashmir. (The fifth, Aksai Chin, administered by China, I will get to tomorrow.) I have removed all insinuations of sovereignty such as emblems, seals, and anthems. All have the University of Texas/CIA map of Kashmir that has been in the Kashmir infobox for upward of a dozen years, which I have updated. They each have only two pictures in the infobox. No more. Please help in preserving this format. I believe it is NPOV, and if preserved, it will go a long way in reducing the POV-promotion in Kashmir-related articles. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 08:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey, can I get help with the following articles up for merging:
They are most likely about the same person and should be merged. I am not sure which spelling of the name should be used. Please respond at Talk:Jyothi_Raj#Merge. -- Hecato ( talk) 17:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
As I have specified in the talk page, this biography of a living person is full of NPOV statements. It reads like a long chewing out of an individual. There needs to be some neutrality reintroduced and encyclopedic content put back in this article. Can someone help with a consensus (on talk page) to put the NPOV tag on this article? Rabbabodrool ( talk) 04:52, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Anyone interested in his biography+work about Pakistan-India conflict may see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamal Mustafa (filmmaker). Give your suggestions. Thanks. Störm (talk) 13:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Swaminarayan_Sampraday#Request_for_comment.— Harshil want to talk? 15:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Please see Talk:List of districts of Tamil Nadu#Map in infobox needs updating. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, fellow Wikipedians. Please help us at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ustad Ghulam Mohammed Khan if anyone is interested. Störm (talk) 12:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
The Panjab University, Chandigarh article was moved to Panjab University after a move discussion in June 2016 (see here). I have created new categories accordingly, but the older ones are still here: Category:Panjab University, Chandigarh, Category:Panjab University, Chandigarh alumni, and Category:Panjab University, Chandigarh faculty. So WP:C2D applies here. As of now, I have soft redirected them to their new titles, as it seems like a better choice due to similar named universities (see Punjab University). But then again, I hardly know anything about categories. Maybe we should just delete the older one. Any thoughts? - NitinMlk ( talk) 15:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Rishabh.rsd is pushing too high Jain POV in Jainism related articles. He is adding names like Shri, Bhagwan, Lord and God even after I had warned him multiple times not to do so as it is violation of WP:NPOV under WP:HONORIFIC and WP:NCIN. He did here, here, here and POV push. If possible then to impose topic ban on Jainism will be enough for this user because he is mostly pushing high POV in all of his articles and his contributions outside this topic is zero. Pinging @ Winged Blades of Godric and El C:.-- Harshil want to talk? 15:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I have nothing to add or subtract about the scope of the discretionary sanctions; however, I am perplexed by the three examples of Jain POV promotion by @ Rishabh.rsd: offered by @ Harshil169: in the first post of this thread. In the first place, does it not seem a little secretive, if not also paternalistic, to have a thread in a public forum such as WT:INDIA to be titled "Keep an eye on ..." and for its inaugural post to begin with {{noping|Rishabh.rsd}}? In the second place, how many gratuitous applications of "Lord" or "Goddess" in the naming of deities of Hinduism would you like me to ferret out on Wikipedia? Hundreds, thousands? Here is just the tip of the iceberg: Goddess Lakshmi, Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Goddess Kali. I'm not saying that the behavior of the Rishabh.rsd does not warrant our concern, but do the examples offered in the first post justify jumping to talking about topic bans? He's made a thousand edits in the last year. With such a slowpoke history, how much POV promotion can he have done? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 03:30, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thanks all for sharing your thoughts, this thread has turned out to be very useful in understanding the scope of ARBIND. One final question on procedure. Assume there are 2 editors X and Y both have DS/IPA alert posted on their talk page recently since they edited Kashmir. Now they had a content dispute on Nagraj (comics). Nagraj (comics) currently does not have an ARBIND banner on the talk page. X is misbehaving and also has a history of misbehavior. Can Y take X to WP:ARE ? or does an admin first needs to slap a DS banner on the article talk page.-- DBig Xrayᗙ 08:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
I've updated the National Council for Human Resource in Health in India article to reflect recent developments. However, I'm still not sure I've got all this straight, since the reporting is quite confusing on this issue. Can someone with knowledge of medical regulation in India please check this, and the other related articles on this subject, as the whole issue seems to be in flux? -- The Anome ( talk) 10:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Namaste/Satsriakal
This is to bring to notice that there is an inadvertant error in below file on left. Easy mistake due to names. Names for numbers 19 and 21 need to be swapped. 19 is SBS Nagar and 21 is SAS Nagar. This error has also crept into different language translations.
Trust that is helpful - Jazze7 ( talk) 13:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Please see Special:Contributions/2409:4041:268C:96D1:D024:B3FF:FEC8:1939/32 for numerous, minor spammy or vandalism edits to Indianin the last day or two, for example this or this, or not so minor, like this; about half of them to Indian topics, the other half not. Mathglot ( talk) 21:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Can someone update the recent developments regarding case in the article? It’s not being updated since September and I’ve no details of all updates.— Harshil want to talk? 12:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The article contains BS. It confuses history with mythology and lacks critical commentary. I’m going to clean this article. If someone wants to help then they’re invited to do so. — Harshil want to talk? 05:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a requested move here, for which everyone's input is needed. Thanks.-- Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello, your opinion would be welcome at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 6#List of Scheduled Castes. List of Scheduled Castes was once a proper list, but was redirected a few years ago, and it doesn't seem we have such a list elsewhere. -- BDD ( talk) 14:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but I notice that in some article titles "taluk" is not capitalized ( Madurai-North taluk, Madurantakam taluk) while in others it is ( Paravur Taluk, Athani Taluk). It seems like the capitalization should be made consistent, and my understanding from previous discussions of WP:NCCAPS is that "taluk" should probably be lowercase (compare how e.g. Pathanamthitta District et al were moved to Pathanamthitta district et al, US "At-large district" articles were moved, etc). Anyone want to weigh in? -sche ( talk) 00:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
There are two deletion requests under discussion at the moment where the basic question is if Padma Shri is a major award, according notability to a person per WP:ANYBIO. The two discussions are Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijay Prakash Singh. My own personal opinion is that Padma Shri, the fourth highest civilian award of a country of 1.35 billion people is a major one. I am posting this note here as both the articles are of interest from a WikiProject India perspective.-- jojo@nthony ( talk) 13:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on this page - The Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2019 - and help expand/clean as per policy. DTM ( talk) 10:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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Jha Sanjay was previously at Sanjay Jha (speaker). I don't believe it was validly moved as the name used within the article is still "Sanjay Jha". Could someone confirm the correct title. Thanks. MB 05:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
@ NitinMlk: before my cleanup, article was about his so called motivational career and superfluous claims of eloquent speaker. He is politician. — Harshil want to talk? 22:16, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi all, we've been kind of tip-toeing around this issue for a while in Indian film articles, so I thought it was time to open a larger discussion about how we should format writing credits and music credits in the infobox, given that Indian films often have a "dialogues" credit for writers, and often use the |music=
parameter to indicate who wrote the film's songs, even though the field is typically intended for the film's score. Your input is encouraged at
Template talk:Infobox film#Indian films: How to format writing credits and music credits?. Thanks,
Cyphoidbomb (
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There is a requested move at Talk:Modern Sub Machine Carbine that would benefit from your opinion. Please come and help! PI Ellsworth ed. put'r there 17:00, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Architecture of Bengal, a mainly historical article, begins: "The architecture of Bengal, which comprises the modern country of Bangladesh and the Indian states of West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa, Tripura, Assam's Barak Valley,...". This seems an excessive area to claim to me, not that I'm any expert. Might adding "parts of" before Bihar, or elsewhere, help? Thoughts? Johnbod ( talk) 21:53, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
The Gol Gumbaz article has seen a fair amount of IP vandalism recently. I think I've fixed it now, but I know little about the subject. If more knowledgeable people would be so kind as to keep an eye on it and quickly revert any vandalism, I would appreciate it. If it gets too bad, I'd support page protection. HLHJ ( talk) 17:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Before you make an edit, please ensure that you have reverted any previous vandalism. All edits without edit summaries are candidates for reversion, especially if they have a references removed tag. If you make further edits without doing this, other editors will be entitled to revert your edit along with the vandalism, unless it is easy to separate the two. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Need some eyes at Kayastha and Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha during the holiday season. Usual caste-cruft backed by poor sources, by a single user. It's appalling that article that receives an average 700+ hits daily managed to have this lead listing Vedah.net, Kamat.com, Hindunet.org etc. as sources, for several days. utcursch | talk 16:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
At Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil#Shamsheer or Vayalil or Parambath?, I've a question about the subject's name, if someone could have a look. Thanks. —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 12:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello colleagues. Is there anyone familiar with Indian politician U. R. Krishnan and would you be willing to help enhance and improve the article about him? Thanks very much. Dr42 ( talk) 08:12, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Can some admin delete User:Jaswindermehra13 page? It just contains transliterated Punjabi language curse words. I have CSDed it, but only a Punjabi/Hindi speaking admin will be able to understand the meaning of its content. BTW, the page was created by a newbie who is indulging in disruptive editing at mali/Saini-related articles. - NitinMlk ( talk) 22:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
If X is an article about a city, town, district or other administrative unit, it's bound to have a section called "Notable people", usually listing a fair number of people. These sections tend to attract a great number of edits, mostly from IPs, that add:
The vast majority of edits are not constructive, and among the ones that are there's always the added burden of locating the article (not always linked, with the difficulty compounded by the existence of spelling variants), and verifying the entry is correct (laborious due to the the commonplace absence of relevant information in the respective article).
The net result is that these lists take massive amounts of editor time to police, which is out of proportion to to their marginal encyclopedic value. Do we really need those lists? – Uanfala (talk) 15:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
has lived there (any years)", then they are "from" there. I guess "
any years" mean at least one year. But this criterion is untenable and will make these lists look fatuous. I have just looked at the articles of three Gandhis, and as per this criterion, Mahatma Gandhi seems like "from" places like London, Durban, Johannesburg, New Delhi, Champaran, different parts of Gujarat, etc. Similarly, Rahul Gandhi seems from Delhi, Florida, Cambridge, London, etc. And Rajiv Gandhi seems from Delhi, Dehradun, Cambridge, London, Mumbai, etc. But when we state that someone is from X place, I guess we normally mean that they hail from there, or have spent a considerable amount of early life there, which in turn may have an impact on their remaining life. Anyway, this particular criterion needs to be either amended or discarded. - NitinMlk ( talk) 19:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
if a reliable source identifies him from a place then he fits the criteria" – will take care of it. BTW, I am not jumping on anything; rather I want to set the inclusion criteria straight. - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
has lived there (any years)" was basically a clarification, if a dispute arises that a Subject is mentioned from A as well as B in different RSes, In those cases, we are not supposed to count the years etc, but inclusively mention the name at both places, since we have an RS to back it up. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 20:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, could I please trouble someone for help with a verification of content in Telugu? Someone has indicated that in this NTV interview, (it's a verified channel) at around 14:00, Raghava Lawrence talks about his family origin. The issue is about whether or not he is Telugu or Tamil. He was born in Tamil Nadu, so my default assumption would be that he was Tamil, but that's not always the case, obviously and I'm trying to manage some back-and-forth editing at his article. And if anyone can find a clearer reference on this, I'd appreciate it. I haven't been successful. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 14:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests. DBig Xrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 10:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Uttar_Pradesh_Police_are_threatening_legal_action_against_vandals_for_defacing_their_Wiki_page. Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBig Xrayᗙ 10:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello. The article Do I exist: A riddle, a short film by Mumbai filmmaker Dhruva Harsh, has been nominated for deletion (not by me). I don't know much about this film and have found only a few English-language sources about it (examples here and here), and it looks like it's been chosen for a number of international film festivals. I'm trying to get a sense of whether it meets Wikipedia's notability standards, and am wondering if there are other reliable sources out there, perhaps not in the English langauge, that could establish its notability. But I'm not sure the best way to go about finding such sources. Would anyone here know a good place to look? — Hunter Kahn 14:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Sonny_Mehta this RD. If anyone can update the article and reflect their views then it would be better.-- Harshil want to talk? 14:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Kautilya3, Vanamonde93, RegentsPark, Winged Blades of Godric, Sitush, Abecedare, Tamravidhir, Doug Weller, SpacemanSpiff, Titodutta, and Fowler&fowler:
Hi All, in the past few days, several POV edits have been made to this article (For example This diff), to portray this as a Hindu festival even though it is a secular festival celebrated by all religions (Hindus, Muslims as well as Christians) of Kerala. [1]
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Few days back
an IP posted a message on my talk page stating
"BJP-RSS propaganda in
Onam article to make it more
Hindu than secular and to alter its myth by diminishing the importance of
Mahabali over
Vamana. Ms Sarah Welch is restoring problematic content by
Snowcream without discussion. Onam is celebrated all over Kerala irrespective of religion.
2409:4073:30D:F96:6431:C9DF:B49E:479D (
talk) 06:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)"
Since this is a controversial topic, I would request more editors to share their thoughts about these changes on the talk page. -- Happy New Year! ᗙ DBig Xrayᗙ 14:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Vallur? There's been a bit of edit-warring which I suspect comes down to the fact that there's several different places called Vallur in India and we need to create new articles for each of them, but I don't know enough about Indian geography to comment. TIA Le Deluge ( talk) 14:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Last time we had a discussion here regarding usage of multiple regions to define the location of a state. The outcome of the discussion was in favour of following the general definition (as in Britannica) and not to have multi-regional definitions in the lead, disregarding all other less commonly used definitions that can be found in govt. websites, books, news sources. Recently, in the Bihar article [12] another geographical region has been added citing this source. Per above, the newer addition need to be removed. However if we plan to keep it, we should note that the source can be used to multi-define other states as well e.g. Maharashtra as a central Indian state and West Bengal in north-east, a departure from accepted definitions. Would like to ping people involved in the older discussion @ Fowler&fowler, Gotitbro, and Kautilya3: for suggestions. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 17:11, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Please consider reviewing some of the drafts awaiting review in your project scope, our backlog is over 3,700 articles right now. JTP ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
A new editor Isak.lund ( talk · contribs) who made his first edit in tremendously late December 2019 has been making a whirlwind of minor edits in a number of articles. Could people keep an eye on them? Per WP rules, we have to assume good faith, and in this spirit, I welcome him aboard, (Welcome!), but when new editors are making edit after edit—none betraying the beginner's hesitations—in highly-viewed articles, we also want to protect Wikipedia, especially at a time when its ranks have thinned. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Be quick and apply protection on page. Lots of vandalism is happening in a minute. Please add this in watchlist and revert vandalism. -- Harshil want to talk? 10:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
An article that your project should be interested in— Narth Sarel—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:00, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
The article Katwaria Sarai has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
virtually nonsense,unecyclopedic and lacks any notability
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I came across edits by 144.48.111.211 while looking through the Jagadish Chandra Bose article in which a Bangladesh specific POVPUSH was being done . Others edits by the IP seems to be in the same non-good faith category of nationalistic POVPUSHing. I am not much familiar with the India-Bangladesh topic, so ask other users to take a look. The IP has also been restoring older POV content in other articles. Pinging @ Kautilya3 and Fylindfotberserk:. Gotitbro ( talk) 09:05, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I am the new coordinator for WikiProject History. we need people there!! right now the project seems to be semi-inactive. I am going to various WikiProjects whose topics overlap with ours, to request volunteers.
we welcome your input. thanks!! -- Sm8900 ( talk) 01:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Pattom Thanupillai ministry}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Pattom Thanupillai ministry', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Talk:Pattom Thanupillai ministry#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Pattom Thanupillai ministry}}}}}}|the move discussion]]. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
This is to draw the attention to bring in notice in assessment and modification on Pasi (caste), as the article in the current state seems to be failing Neutral point of view as it only talks about the past of the community and its content is mostly discriminatory relyed on the sources published before the partition of India and the formation of the Indian constitution which has legally abolished caste, gender and racial discrimination.
The content of the article itself begins with the phrase The Pasi were one of the untouchable communities which is true, yet not neutral and is more of caste-biased and if we follow the same trend and pattern of writing articles on Wikipedia will we begin the article of Narendra Modi with the phrase that ...he was a poor tea-seller belonging to the lower caste-section, OBC... instead of he is an Indian politician serving as the 14th and current Prime Minister of India since 2014? We shall also not forget the fact that few authors have quoted India as the land of the Snake charmer with their few minutes of observation at the sea-coast of the Indian ocean which has ultimately portrayed the wrong image of India as it does not make every Indian a snake charmer.
Well-cited edits from the reliable sources to this article was recently reverted by @ Primefac: with the summary Whitewashing and comment on my talk page "Please stop trying to whitewash articles and remove any indication that a caste is (or was) an untouchable." even though the "Present circumstances" section has information about the past of the community, which wasn't an attempt to whitewash the article.
Doubtlessly, it's a part of the history of the community which can be included in the history section of the article rather than defaming the community on its history and the past which is legally not valid.
Interested editors are invited to give their point-of-view while considering WP:GS/Caste and WP:NPOV. — Sanskari Hangout 09:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I blocked User:GIMEXCO LTD. for a promotional username and promotional edits. I've been advised that the same user exists on the Bengali Wikipedia and that their page there is also promotional. If anyone cares to check that out, I would be grateful. Deb ( talk) 15:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Ongoing_removal_Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests. DBig Xrayᗙ 23:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Just put more eyes on Jaggi Vasudev and Isha Foundation. I had worked hard to remove superfluous and unsourced claims with addition of reception. But I received calls from their probable Bhakts to put Jaggi in positive light for almost ₹30K-40K which I’d refused. I’m receiving mails and messages regarding this off-wiki. There’ve been constant attempts from the foundation via meat and sock to whitewash nonsense of Jaggi. Spot those editors and block them to reduce stress and take these pages upto ECP. Harshil want to talk? 00:54, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
I know this is probably beneath the normal scope of interest at this board, but I'm curious if anyone watches Divya Drishti. Short question: While I know Karan Khanna was once a cast member, was he part of the main cast?
Context: About a week ago I was dealing with an editor or editors who had repeatedly deleted Karan Khanna's name from the article entirely, like here as if the guy had never appeared on the series. (Demonstrably he did.) As you'll note, the editor deleted Khanna's name for playing the character Shikhar Shergill, but left Mishkat Varma, who currently plays the character. After semi-protecting the article, the user is now arguing on the talk page that Khanna was never a main cast member, so Khanna should be moved down to Recurring, but I'm further confused because the user hasn't said anything about whether Mishkat Varma should get moved down. Did this role expand to main cast with the new guy, or is this a case of an editor trying to manipulate the Main cast to represent the current lineup rather than promoting a historical picture of the series' most important cast members? Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 14:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles#Legislative Assembly constituency names. Italawar ( talk) 12:32, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
The article RadioJoyAlukkas.com has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
This never took off, and was only kept because of WP:AGF (see talk page) . It should be deleted or merged
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There is a number of ongoing AfDs that break all logic and a wider community involvement would be of interest. A number of articles on entities linked to BJP (such as Bharatiya Kisan Sangh, Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha, etc.) are being nominated for deletion supposedly based on WP:GNG or WP:NORG, which is really weird considering that organizations like BJYM and BKS have larger membership base than the population of many sovereign countries. Regardless of how one feels about political events in India today, arguing that organizations BKS, BJYM, RSS, VHP, ABVP, SJM, etc. are non-notable defines common sense. -- Soman ( talk) 23:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
If you see a series of unsourced changes to population figures in Indian cities, please revert these on sight (and if possible, block the LTA behind these). Thanks. El_C 18:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I am very troubled by recent changes in Wikipedia pages of Urdu poems written by Pakistani poets, including Iqbal (who died in 1930 but is the national poet of Pakistan) and Faiz Ahmad Faiz. The pages are Hum Dekhenge and Lab Pe Aati Hai Dua, both sleepy little pages, until the poems became the focus of controversies in India. These pages, especially Hum Dekhenge, are being edited frenetically by Indian editors who are adding dozens of Indian newspaper citations. The thing to remember is that the pages are about the poems. If the poems have become controversial in India recently it is not a warrant for adding the Devanagari script to them, or for creating a Controversy section. All that belongs to pages on recent protests or controversies in India, not to the pages about the poem. As there are many more Indian editors on Wikipedia than there are Pakistani, these pages are unable to retain their original balance. Devanagari scripts do not belong to these poems. I appeal to Indian editors to keep these pages free from WP:UNDUE. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Fowler&fowler: I know that you are self-declared lazy if you dislike something; I remain curious even if it's to my own detriment. Click here and get ready to cringe: Bindi (decoration)#Modern use. ;)
Iqbal was not a Pakistani poet, he was an Indian poet. There was no Pakistan at the time. And there was Hindustani poetry -- this is an example. Hindustani, another name for Urdu, was Iqbal's language. AFAICT, Iqbal wrote in the Urdu script. It's trivial to convert it to Nagari, but the concerns of WP:INDICSCRIPT are relevant here. We don't need this in both scripts, just the original one. And no, not just in Roman, because the transcription conventions are often rather arbitrary and the conversion is often inaccurate. I personally would want to be able to read it alongside the original script. But though I can read Nagari more easily than Urdu, I don't see any added value here. If I wanted to confirm the Nagari, I'd click on the link to Hindi WP. So unless someone can present an actual reason why Nagari is appropriate here, I agree with Fowler that we need to remove it to avoid the kind of idiotic battle that was the reason we had to come up with the only slightly less idiotic WP:INDICSCRIPT policy.
That said, I don't see any problem with adding pop usage / controversy sections, as long as they don't violate NPOV. They may be of interest to our readers. — kwami ( talk) 13:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
The controversy section regarding "Lab pe aati hai dua" is something which happened by directly singing the poem. It deserves to be on the Wikipedia page of the same. TheEshanKumar ( talk) 17:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
BTW, when I removed the Nagari per INDICSCRIPTS (and per the ideal of not cluttering the page), I kept the sections on popular use and controversy (technically I restored them, since I had just deleted them by reverting the page). That wasn't a judgement by me that they pass UNDUE, merely that I saw no particular reason to delete them. Nor that I disagree with Austronesier etc. on whether "Controversy" is the best section heading. (It may very likely not be.) So please don't interpret my edit as a vote of support for either side of that argument. Those sections still need to meet our standards for appropriateness, sourcing, NPOV, etc., and I didn't consider any of those things. — kwami ( talk) 23:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I understand that 'you think' all Indians don't understand each others languages, but at least use 1 script of 13 major scripts from India?? what's the point of creating a country related wiki page without using/promoting their languages and culture? I suggest using pure Devanagari, since it very easy for North Indians to read because of mutual intelligibility due to Sanskrit, and is used by 500 million Indians at least. [1] Sagnique ( talk) 02:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Can someone re-assess the Love Jihad, CAA, National Register of Citizens and National Population Register articles? They are completely one-sided. I tried and failed - I was trying to add that Muslims in India need not worry. There is a discussion going on at the Talk page of Religious conversions in Pakistan - I request you all for comments on that Talk page. If this is not the right place to ask for help, please let me know where to ask. Thanks!— Spasiba5 ( talk) 15:56, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Mahavira, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. A. Parrot ( talk) 17:57, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have access to any archives printed or otherwise from The Hindu? DragoMynaa appears to be trying to add a reference about Neethone Vuntanu, and is trying to find the origin of this IdleBrain.com film review, so that they can source it. IdleBrain added a courtesy note that the material came from The Hindu. I've tried poking around the Wayback Machine, and even got as far as this snapshot of their 1 February 2002 entertainment page, and this snapshot of their cinema archives, but I don't see anything related to Neethone Vuntanu. If anyone can help track down the origin, or provide any other kind of help, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 02:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)