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If this is not very hard to show it should be. It is a useful feature. Panpog1 ( talk) 00:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
When placing the cursor at the beginning of a subtitle (I mean the things like "Enter bug" above) and pressing the enter key, not only will a blank line appear (as should), but the cursor jumps one position to the right as well. This causes that subtitle to be fragmentated when entering a few times. Also deleting a blank line that's above such a subtitle will convert that subtitle to normal text.
I noticed this in my sandbox on the Dutch Wikipedia. I use Windows 7 and the latest version of chrome (no extensions). Amphicoelias ( talk) 20:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Reading the description of this feature was enough for me. It sounds like a complete mess. I don't even want to try it. Why was it even developed? Is somebody bored? WQUlrich ( talk) 21:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Another small thing I noticed is that you can't select somewhere in the text of the summary text you enter with the mouse cursor. You can use arrows to add something into what you have already entered, but it just seems odd that the mouse doesn't work too. Lesion ( talk) 00:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
In the pop-up that appears when editing a link, it doesn't make sense that the "close" button to dismiss the pop-up is at the top left and labelled with the "<" symbol.
The standard way to dismiss a dialog is with the "x" symbol at the top right. The standard way to accept a change is with a "Save" button at the bottom. Heck, this very "submit feedback" form where I'm typing this gets it right. Please fix this very basic interaction element and don't reinvent the wheel. Diego ( talk) 07:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried it on my sandbox and found it difficult to do the one thing that should be easiest: clicking on the editing tools. There was a template at the top of the editing area while I was working, and every time I moved my mouse up to the toolbar, I ended up with a grayed-out box saying "Sorry, this element can't be edited using VisualEditor" covering up all the editing tools. I had to constantly circle around the perimiter of the page with my mouse to avoid this. The grayed-out box is fine, but it needs to stay underneath the toolbar rather than automatically becoming the top layer when it appears. Feel free to edit my sandbox if you want to see what I'm talking about. – Thatotherperson ( talk/ contribs) 07:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Long articles like Duryodhana, Sati (practice) take considerable more time to load using Edit than Edit source-- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Save changes popup should be opaque. I mistakenly clicked on a para while saving and a greenish box overlaps the popup. Redtigerxyz Talk 14:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
would result in
and hence we cannot put non breakingspaces :( This is a problem for articles that should follow
WP:units (such as 15 km
)Thanks··· Vanischenu 「m/ Talk」 16:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Right away I miss the formerly available search and replace capabilities that have been so useful in the past. :) John Cline ( talk) 20:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
make it so you can switch back and forth between standerd editor and VisualEditor... ♠|RP|♠ 16:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlp17 ( talk • contribs)
Open Battle of Paris (1814) in the Visual editor: two images are placed side by side between the lead paragraph and the infobox, which is not where they belong. AxelBoldt ( talk) 19:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I need easy access to merge, stub-class etc templates through the in-line editor Cpt ricard ( talk) 01:22, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
In this edit, VisEd added a space and removed some three-quotes from line 133—totally not what I was doing up in line 4. Is this some sort of forced markup fixing? It seems that the bolding in Miniapolis' sig remained the same (i.e. VisEd only removed redundant formatting). Thanks, Ignatz mice• talk 04:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
This was supposed to be just a couple of very simple changes to the words and character formatting in a single sentence. First it was incredibly slow, and then it claimed that it timed out without doing anything, and then I found the 850Kb mess. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 02:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
My edit here simply attempted to change "P.A. Schilpp" to "[[P. A. Schilpp]]": the Visual Editor did this: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Downward_causation&diff=prev&oldid=558735268 This looks very similar to the above. -- The Anome ( talk) 10:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I can add a bare external link to an "External links" section - e.g. http://wikipedia.org - but I can't see a way to add a label - e.g. [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]. Is this deliberate? It's annoying for any serious work - David Gerard ( talk) 10:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
AioftheStorm ( talk) 22:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Too many clicks to save. The review step is unnecessary and cumbersome. Dump the comment dialog in favor of a dropdown/typeaway in the control bar. Lfstevens ( talk) 19:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Type "a". Press number list button. [ENTER]. Type "a". [ENTER] Type "a". [ENTER]. [Cursor up]. [backspace]. "a" in "2." numbered line is removed but two blank lines appear under "2." and before "3." Firefox 21.0/Windows 7.-- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
For me, using Chrome, VE is slow and not that useful (sorry). OK, so anytime I want to edit something inside a transcluded template, image, table, columns, etc, I need to ignore VE and go to the source. The VE toolbar seems lacks most of the options that could be enabled via preferences in the old editing window. If you are scrolled half way through a template, and you move the cursor to the toolbar via the area of the template, the toolbar is grayed out along with the template. To use the toolbar, you have to move the cursor to it avoiding the area of the template. Is this just chrome? What browser would be best to use so the loading time is minimal and it runs smoothly?
I support the idea that users, especially new users, should not have to learn basic wikimarkup code, but I foresee a frustrating time ahead for me getting used to this thing. Lesion ( talk) 11:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I have only just this minute turned VisEd on, but here are my first impressions. The basics are very good; selection, bold, italic etc are all intuitive and do what I expect.
There does not seem to be any way to generate small text. I was expecting Ctrl-S to do something - either small text or strikethrough.
The suggested links are too small to read
It takes too many clicks to get in and out of editing mode. The confirmation stage is going to be useful at first, but once experienced editors are used to the tool and are confident what the editor is going to do the extra click is just going to be annoying. In fact, I can foresee that I would want to stay permanently in edit mode on many sessions and not have to click "edit page" at all as I go from page to page. This would be the case for instance, when working through my watchlist or dealing with a disruptive editor. Spinning Spark 21:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
It should be opaque. When image is right top. The dropdown options go behind the image while editing Redtigerxyz Talk 14:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
After selecting 1 hyperlink, please close the hyperlink popup. Redtigerxyz Talk 14:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
my guess is that adding citations is a function that doesn't exist yet in the visual editor? if it *is* possible, then my feedback is that I could see how to do that. MicheleJackson ( talk) 20:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to see it capable of editing a selected section. :) John Cline ( talk) 08:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Not being able to edit template parameters such as those used in infoboxes and reference citations is a real pain; being able to edit those kind of elements is essential. The same is true for image captions. Waggers TALK 09:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't use VisualEditor myself; but I have noticed a problem with edits made by somebody else. Specifically,
this edit which added a <gallery>
immediately before the existing <Gallery>
, and which also added a </gallery>
at the very end of the article. The first error was spotted by that user
and fixed, but I
fixed the second. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 11:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
for some unknown reason i don't like it. when it becomes public please give us an option to disable it. --jordan5000000000, the vandal fighter. learn about me!, or talk to me 14:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
@ User:Jordan5000000000; can you explain what your specific problems are with it? We can work on addressing them (knock wood!) Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 10:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The main thing that I find frustrating in the current editor is formatting tables. I hope that the new Visual Editor will have WYSIWYG table editing. — Anne Delong ( talk) 15:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>...</nowiki>
around the URLs in references. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 09:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I had hoped the VE would be good for reviewing long articles and making minor copy edits, which is very difficult to do in Wikitext. I found two problems: 1) the inability to edit section by section (only able to edit an article in its entirety); and 2) when editing an entire long article, as one move down in the page, the remaining text of the article accumulates garbage text, such that the remainder of the article becomes gibberish. Since there is no way to save only what has been edited at a certain point, I had to cancel all edits and begin again in Wikitext. Meclee ( talk) 00:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I use the Modern skin. ( Click here for this page displayed using Modern.) As of 06:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC), I cannot access the VE. I disabled a gadget I use that modifies that area, with no difference. When I switched from Vector a couple months ago, I didn't care that there wasn't a way to easily access it because it was still in alpha... then forgot VE existed. Am I right in thinking that it will be available soon? Also, what about the other skins? –– Ɔ Ȿ♭ ௵ ☎ ℡ ☎ 06:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I hope that the developers are also working on adding more features. It's very basic now, what I miss the most is the ability to add citations to the text and adding photos from Commons. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 07:49, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
<small></small>
with nothing between, I do remove it - manually. I believe that
AWB removes it too, and there are certainly bots that do so. So in this case, I don't count it as a bug. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 09:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
This is confusing to me; I can't even figure out how I can test this new and likely unnecessary development.
The most important thing I can say is that, as a woefully un-technical middle-aged woman who barely knew how to use a word processor, I learned to edit Wikipedia. Yes, I had to learn, and yes, I made mistakes. Along the way I added to my personal skill set and enjoyed positive interactions with more knowledgeable editors. The interface has been improved several times since I created an account seven years ago. What's wrong with it? Yopienso ( talk) 17:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I know the citation/reference feature has "highest" importance in bugzilla, and " is set to be deployed to the VisualEditor in a matter of days, not months." I see from the Q3 quarterly review that you're hoping (per slide 19) to deploy Visual Editor "on all language Wikipedias" by July 1 and (per slide 24) you won't proceed if references like {{ cite web}} aren't available. I've tried it out a little on MediaWiki and it looks like you're going in the right direction, though IMO it is far too easy for a novice to delete an entire citation without realising what it is. But the devil is in the detail and I just want to ask please allow plenty of opportunity for testing, review and polishing. There's no desperate urgency to make VE the default editor on enwiki. It's better to keep it as an "opt-in" preference for registered users until the citations functionality is ready for prime time. A few extra weeks won't do any harm. - Pointillist ( talk) 11:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Visual Editor needs a way to display HTML notes since many times they are used within a page to describe information that is important to anyone who might be editing. That may include notes on how specific elements should be treated or that discussion is necessary before changes are made because such an element is disputed (see the genre sections of the article Green Day for example). Cat-five t c ---- 11:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
<!-- comment text -->
. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:28, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Comment. VE needs to stop removing hidden HTML notes wholesale. At the time of this discussion by VE developers, Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive 2013 05#General_observations, hidden notes were preserved. Now ALL hidden HTML notes on a page (or at least those in templates) are removed when the page is edited by VE.
Page edit notices and section edit notices will not work as a replacement since hidden notes can be instructional for specific references, tables, infoboxes, navboxes, sentences, paragraphs, etc.. Page notices and edit notices are for a whole page or section.
If HTML notes are going to be replaced by some new hidden notation system, they still need to be preserved in the meantime. They should be treated similarly to how VE handles tables, infoboxes, and other stuff that VE can not currently edit. VE should not be doing anything within templates. Templates are too complex for VE to meddle with in the slightest way. VE should not even remove spaces in templates.
If VE ends up with another hidden note tool, then a bot may have to go around to convert all existing hidden HTML notes to the new VE tool. But why bother?
Why not keep the HTML notes, and use some kind of popup tooltip in VE that pops up when one puts the mouse cursor over a hidden note icon in VE edit mode? So one can read the hidden note in the popup. Kind of like how reference tooltips work. Except this would only show up in VE edit mode. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 04:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
VE does not display all page notices. For example, if you edit the source of Barack Obama, you see three notices: compliance with BLP, article probation and semi-protection. If you edit with VE, not only does the page take a very long to load but it only displays the article probation notice. The BLP policy notice seems too important to leave out, here. Dricherby ( talk) 11:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
BTW. Takes about 25 seconds for me on 2Ghz Core i5, Safari 6. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Another suggestion: would be good to be able to click and drag highlighted text to a new position with the mouse cursor, just like in word processing software. Lesion ( talk) 15:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to fix the capitalization of a link like this and received the message "Your edit has been ignored because you have made no changes to the text." WhatamIdoing ( talk) 18:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
(In my opinion, the VE seems way buggy to deploy atm. I hope some serious bug-fixing gets done before the deployment...) -- Yair rand ( talk) 22:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Looking at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive 2013 05 there are an awful lot of bug reports that had still not been responded to when they were archived, five from me alone. Would it be an idea to suspend archiving on this page, or would it be reasonable to assume that this project is unlikely to be implemented without a major rewrite and a fresh testing phase? Ϣere SpielChequers 22:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Just added my first wikilink with visual editor, from Governor Stevens to Isaac Stevens. A little confusing. Wanted link to Isaac Stevens page to be blue to indicate the page exists. Also would have wanted to see "Appears on page: ..." and "Page linked to: ..." to confirm I did it correctly (not necessarily with these exact labels.) Djembayz ( talk) 00:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to clear my sandbox (apart from the standard template at the top). It contained two paragraphs of text, each with a L2 header. Starting below the template, I dragged the cursor over the whole content to select it all and pressed "delete", but there remained the empty "== ==" of one header, like this. JohnCD ( talk) 10:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Take a look at this screen capture on a Win7 & IE9 pc. The menu is not on top when it overlaps the User sandbox template. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 11:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I think the "Heading 1" option should be removed from the menu; this should be used so little that the cost of editors messing up the page seems more than any possible benefit. Ypnypn ( talk) 21:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
VE is clearly not ready for mainstream release and would be disruptive to editors, especially new editors. Therefore, the release of VE should be postponed until the bugs are worked out. There's no need to rush the release of VE and the best interest of Wikipedia should be our goal. Right now, VE would be harmful to WP. VE should be released when it would be beneficial to WP. SMP0328. ( talk) 00:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Or any other template, for that matter. These are important. — wing gundam 03:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Am I supposed to be able to click and drag text? When I highlight text and try to drag it to drop it somewhere else, I see the insert cursor but when I release it, nothing happens. Jason Quinn ( talk) 05:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Second try at using VE, second bug. I tried editing another article, EastEnders, and again tried to (p)review my changes. Using the mouse wheel to scroll down, the mouse moved over an Infobox on the page. This obscured the "Return to Save Form" button even when I moved the mouse back up the 'dialog', so I couldn't click it. Took me a while, but eventually I figured out that I had to move the mouse back over some other part of the article behind and the green gauze disappeared... In usability terms, 3/10 I'm afraid! Stephenb (Talk) 11:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC) (Using Firefox, btw) Stephenb (Talk) 11:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
In this edit I attempted to delete the entire Oxygen subsection, including the table. I was able to do this using the VisualEditor interface without any problem. However, when I saved the page, the content was replaced by HTML markup. This is clearly a severe bug. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I like VisualEditor, however some problems do pop out. When I bold or unbold articles, in the preview it looks great, but after saving, random apostrophes pop out. Marcnut1996 ( talk) 12:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Please look at this diff. I tried to change the header type from 3rd level to 2nd level only. VE placed a huge string of codes in the article :S Teemeah 편지 (letter) 12:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Similar to above, with this edit to They All Play Ragtime, VisualEditor added a bunch of code that wasn't intended nor needed. PK T(alk) 12:28, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I made what was supposed to be a minor removal of info at Operation Gladio, instead 650,000 characters of code showed up. Capitalismojo ( talk) 12:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to make this edit to Dark Shadows: The House of Despair with VE, but when I clicked to save the page I got "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: Unrecognized value for parameter 'action': visualeditor." JohnCD ( talk) 15:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Is there going to be any sort of instruction manual - well manual is too heavy, instruction page or help page? I know it's meant to be instinctive, and it's pretty good that way, but I did flail about a bit when first trying to make a wikilink, and would have been grateful for something that said "1. type the display text, 2. select it, 3. click the "link" icon, 4. type the target". Similarly when first using the header drop-down menu. Maybe I am too soaked in wiki markup, but then so will many of your users be. JohnCD ( talk) 15:45, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Hidden comments/notes are useful for editors to see if there are things that are not supposed to be changed and/or things that can only be changed in a certain way.
The VisualEditor does not allow the editor to see them. It would be great if there were an option to enable/disable the ability to view these hidden comments (but have them enabled by default). Johnny Au ( talk/ contributions) 02:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Wow, I sure miss that "edit" link on sections! Keep going back to "edit source" for the whole article instead. Hope you'll have a way to "edit source for this section!" Djembayz ( talk) 03:58, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Use the wikitext editor for editing sections while VisualEditor is in beta"
Tried editing http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nachiketa&oldid=559896641 to remove image. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
[2] I could not edit para 2 (a blank line between para 1 and para 2) using VisualEditor. A mouse over resulted in para becoming green with "Sorry..." message. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 09:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Not really a constructive comment, but I'd like to say that VE alpha is slow as hell and essentially unusable for me. If it is able to edit what you want to edit (i.e. not within a template of any kind) then chances are that in other parts of the article, it will mess with layout in a bad way, or insert a load of random characters for no reason. I'm now disabling VE alpha with extreme prejudice. Lesion ( talk) 09:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I can imagine that the thing would be useful as a means of avoiding those accidental misclicks that cause <big>, bulleted lists etc to appear but beyond that it was just frustrating. Hopefully, it will improve and hopefully the potentially single most useful element will turn up when the initial issues are resolved, ie: a decent way to construct tables visually. - Sitush ( talk) 21:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I think I mentioned this before, but I think it needs to be raised again.
Currently, the popup box for editing links can be closed by using the left-pointing arrow in the top-left corner, or clicking away from the box. However, the most common UI pattern (Windows, Mac, Facebook, etc.) is to have a "close" button on the top-right corner and/or a "cancel" button in the bottom-right corner. But instead, we have the "remove link" trashcan icon in the top-right. Many users will click this when they want to close the link editing popup, and find their nicely created link gone.
This is worse with the "category sortkey" popup box within "page settings". This doesn't have any obvious way of closing it at all (other than clicking out, which is not well-known among less tech-savvy users).
I have heard a member of the VE team explain in the past that users will be comfortable with the "back" metaphor... Well, dialog boxes don't normally have "back" buttons in the top-left corner; instead, they have "close" or "cancel" buttons, as I explained above. This is a confusing mix of UI metaphors that fails to help the user efficiently interact with the VE interface.
Can I please urge the VE team to reconsider this UI design decision, and introduce a more obvious "close" and/or "cancel" button in these popup boxes? — This, that and the other (talk) 10:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
We cannot edit the header box. Rkmkvk ( talk) 10:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I am unable to remove a file from an article in VE. For me as an NFCC enforcer, this seems to be a major concern. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 11:24, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Having read the comments above
I don't dare to enable a test. Perhaps I am too long in the tooth, and seen too many software improvements destroy systems- no matter how brilliant the coding. But can I ask that one improvement is immediately incorporated, that: The edit summary of all edits made with VE are clearly marked, so we see immediately in our watchlist which articles have potentially had their structures 'improved'. From the comments above just about every article I have ever edited is vunerable.-- Clem Rutter ( talk) 13:06, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
An edit I made using VE resulted in "<nowiki>" and "</nowiki>" (without the quotation marks) appear throughout the source version of the article. I removed them in the edit. They don't appear in the public version of the article, but there's no good reason for them to be added. I was using Firefox 21. Clicking "edit" next to a section or subsection header should lead to VE. Currently, so clicking leads to the standard edit window. Otherwise, VE worked well. SMP0328. ( talk) 02:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
In this section, Teammm said that typing brackets caused the nowikis, which is what I responded to in my initial statement. I'm now noticing that SMP says (s)he didn't try to change any links, which I must've glanced past. (I didn't notice exactly what was different because of the added newline causing the diff to not clearly show what (s)he edited.) I just took Teammm's comment as reputed truth. I now realize what's going on and partially stand by what I said. I think the VE is not programmed clearly enough to reliably distinguish URLs and a plain sentence with a year from typed wikimarkup/HTML and is therefore trying to make all the supposed coding on the page visible whether or not any are changed. Sorry for my fubar. –– Ɔ Ȿ♭ ௵ ☎ ℡ ☎ 08:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Happened to me too, in this edit - I changed wording in the last sentence of the intro, and the VE gratuitously put nowiki tags around several URLs inside cite templates. (You can see it also altered some spacing inside template parameters.) - David Gerard ( talk) 19:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
This is cool, when i edit this, it shows me my references. What's interesting is that it adds 9 nicely formatted references beforehand, and I have no idea where they're coming from. :) I cut/pasted below, the last 2 refs are correct as near as I've observed.
↑ Bourne, G. E.: Columbus, Ramon Pane, and the Beginnings of American Anthropology (1906), Kessinger Publishing, 2003, p. 5. ↑ McKenna, T.: Food of the Gods – The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge – A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution, Bantam Books, 1993, p. 199. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Porter, R., Teich, M.: Drugs and Narcotics in History, Cambridge University Press, 1997, p. 39. ↑ Techmedexperts.com ↑ "Smoking ban puts snuff back in fashion". Retrieved 1 November 2010. ↑ Snuffbox.org.uk ↑ Boffetta P, Hecht S, Gray N, Gupta P, Straif K. Smokeless tobacco and cancer. Lancet Oncol. 2008;9(7):667–75. doi:10.1016/S1470-2045(08)70173-6. PMID 18598931. ↑ Phillips CV, Heavner KK. Smokeless tobacco: the epidemiology and politics of harm. Biomarkers. 2009;14(Suppl 1):79–84. doi:10.1080/13547500902965476. PMID 19604065. ↑ Russell, M A H Russell; Jarvis, M; Devitt, G; Feyerabend, C (1981). "Nicotine intake by snuff users". British Medical Journal (BMJ Group) 283 (6295): 814–816. doi:10.1136/bmj.283.6295.814. PMC 1507093. PMID 6794710. ↑ Schomburgk, Sir Robert Hermann (1848). The History of Barbados: Comprising a Geographical and Statistical Description of the Island; a Sketch of the Historical Events Since the Settlement; and an Account of Its Geology and Natural Productions. Longman, Brown, Green and Longmans. pp. 332–. Retrieved 13 June 2013. ↑ Wilson, James Grant; Fiske, John, eds. (1900). "Stein, Conrad". Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography. New York: D. Appleton.
Thanks! -- j⚛e decker talk 22:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's related to the TL:DR infobox comments above, but I just had my first ever VE edit destroy an infobox by adding nowiki to a bulleted list. I clicked the edit section link way down the page and didn't go near the infobox other than to find the save button. I think that's enough of a trial for me. You have to make sure the "do no harm" principle is followed in terms of not touching parts of the article that aren't being actively edited, we don't want all edits running an auto-mini AWB-general cleanup-fix routine at the same time. The-Pope ( talk) 15:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm finding VE useful, even in its alpha state, as an adjunct to the source editor. I still primarily use the latter, but VE is good for proofing, like finding format errors. When the UI gets streamlined, I'll be inclined to use it more, and as others have noted, the ability to invoke one inside the other would be especially helpful. RE: the concerns that VE will open the floodgates to disruptive editing, I share that concern. But I think the answer isn't to dump a useful tool, but to make sure that disruptive editors are dealt with more convincingly. That's a policy matter. Barte ( talk) 15:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
As eager as I am to use VE, it does not seem ready as evidenced by the multitude of threads here -- section editing, redirects, speed, templates, low level of confidence in not breaking wikiformat, so on. Has management considered postponing the date of making VE the default editor? 192.136.210.191 ( talk) 21:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
There's a link on my watchlist that says "help us to test [VisualEditor]" and it takes me to this page, which doesn't tell me how to help to test VisualEditor. I've worked out how (and think it's useless until I can add references with it, FWIW), but it's far from obvious. Could an appropriate link be added to the top of this page, or alternatively the watchlist notification be rewritten? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 00:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
A number of people (e.g. the item above this, and "More infobox dramas" further up) are reporting unintended consequences of VE edits in parts of the page distant from what they intended to edit. Are these all bugs, or is VE designed to make AWB-type cleanup edits in addition to what the user asks it to do? JohnCD ( talk) 11:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
This is terrible. This is the edit I wanted to do (literally, add one character); this is what the VE actually did. At present it's in Sorcerer's Apprentice mode - how is anyone supposed to look at a diff like that and see what the actual change was? It's an open invitation to subtle vandalism - David Gerard ( talk) 20:48, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
And again: what I wanted to do versus what the VE did. Is this sort of behaviour, creating unusable diffs, really by design? I thought that this sort of thing was explicitly one of the things the VE would not be allowed to do - David Gerard ( talk) 21:18, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that when I try to edit a section by clicking on the "edit" by the section header, VE automatically jumps down to later in the article, and I have to scroll back up to edit again. I initially thought it was jumping to the next section, but it seems to be somewhere between a screen and half a screen in my browser (Firefox). ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 15:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Can't edit the Arabic at Osama bin Laden. (And yes, I can edit that article, just not the Arabic! I presume this is a general bidirectional text issue, that is a known hard problem.) -- j⚛e decker talk 04:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
is that some devs or editors who are really REALLY familiar with the Visual Editor should hang out in at least #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-en-help on IRC for a while. There could possibly be a lot of questions that the regulars won't be able to answer. Shearonink ( talk) 14:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Making things easier for new editors is a great goal. However, if Visual Editor is released in its current state and succeeds in getting lots of people to edit who wouldn't edit otherwise, then we have lots of editors using an interface that's incapable of producing citations. That means that these editors are incapable of making anything but the simplest edits (essentially, things that could legitimately be tagged as minor) in a way that is compliant with Wikipedia's core policies on verifiability. That really seems like it's inviting trouble. It's not even clear that it's a net benefit to the encyclopaedia: we get a lot of new editors but, whenever they try to do something substantial, more experienced editors will have to come and fix the mess. We're setting up the new editors for failure: they'll be criticized for not sourcing their additions and have a lot of their edits reverted. The only constructive advice we'll be able to give these editors is, "Don't use Visual Editor." Please do not introduce this software until it can deal with citations: policy requires this. Dricherby ( talk) 21:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Why isn't VisualEditor enabled for section editing? I was playing around with VisualEditor on my user page. I can not foresee much use for VisualEditor if it can not be used for section editing.
If it is enabled for section editing, then it will also be necessary to enable "edit source" somehow for sections too. So people can choose between the two. Just like at the top of page.
This is not about long articles either. I use section editing for almost all my editing, whether in short or long articles. If the developers are worried about cluttering up each section with both "edit" and "edit source" links, then there needs to be some icon next to "edit" that will be the link for "edit source". The clickable icon will have a popup tooltip saying "edit source".
Anonymous editors do much of the editing on Wikipedia, and many will prefer to edit the source wikitext. Many will prefer the VisualEditor. There has to be a choice at every stage, or this venture could drastically lower the total number of edits in the months following full implementation. It may take a long time to build back from that loss of monthly edits. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 00:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Comment. I sometimes like to open up a section in a new tab for editing. So I can switch between tabs to alternate between how the section currently looks, and how my preview looks. This also helps me in finding stuff in the wikitext. I can use browser find in both tabs to help me find where I need to edit.
This can be very necessary when editing references, tables, navigation boxes, image captions, and other such wikitext. Images that are right-floating, for example, can be difficult to find in the wikitext otherwise. So section editing of source wikitext is essential. Let us not remove section editing of source wikitext when VisualEditor is fully implemented, and when VisualEditor is enabled for section editing! It would be extremely difficult and time consuming to do these things with two side-by-side full pages in tabs. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 22:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I've been avoiding VE since {{ sfn}} was broken (above) making it unusable, but left it enabled. This morning it started when I clicked on a section edit tag, and this was the mess it made of the sandbox I was editing. I will now need to turn it off under Preferences.
This doesn't feel like it's ready to enable as default. If it's still messing up articles, inexperianced editors are going to see their edits reverted through no fault of their own. In my opionion it needs to be working for at least 2 weeks before enabling by default. Edgepedia ( talk) 04:10, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Many registered editors don't edit enough to know much about preferences. This is a bad idea. VE editing of sections should be opt-in, not opt-out.
This could cause many editors, who already do not edit much, to edit less because their edits get reverted soon after using Visual Editor. VE messes up many things. I have seen it myself, and so I do not use VE. I have to check a WHOLE-PAGE preview diff for errors it inserts before I save some other minor thing I edited. Minor typos and other things that used to take me a few seconds to fix now take a long time with the Visual Editor.
Visual Editor needs to edit SECTIONS, too. Not the whole page. So this fix is not a fix. Visual Editor still does not support section editing. It still only edits the whole page.
Worst of all, what was once an interesting option has now become an imposed encumbrance. There is no way to edit in source mode now without effort. Registered editors are forced to use VE. They can only opt-out of VE section editing. They must go here: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
Please return section editing of source wikitext as the default. Make this VE section editing gimmick the option in preferences. Make it opt-in, not opt-out.
The WMF does not have anywhere near a consensus or approval or any other type of community process sanction that justifies imposing beta VE. Especially when it is as buggy and beta as it is now. VE was actually an interesting option until this latest forced imposition of beta VE.
This option in preferences means that once I enable it I lose this gimmicky ability to edit sections with the Visual Editor. So that means we still do not have the ability to edit sections with Visual Editor. I did not want to sacrifice the ability to edit sections in source mode in order to get the ability (however gimmicky) to edit sections with VE. So I noted that in bugzilla:48429. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 00:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
When all of the edits are within one section, it would be nice to have the section headings listed in the edit summary by default. This ought to begin with the usual link to the section and "External links". WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
When I attempted to correct something minor in Bleak House using VE (my first ever use!) I decided to preview the changes just in case, only to be surprised that it would have removed the hidden comment "<!-- See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels]] or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Books]] -->" from the Infobox. This confused me (as an experienced editor) - particularly since the Infobox is 'off-limits' to VE, so I don't know what a new editor would feel! That change, if I'd left it, could also have been seen as minor vandalism. Count me as unimpressed so far. Stephenb (Talk) 11:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey all
As you can see with the threads above this one, there's a pretty serious issue with the VisualEditor at the moment; it's been tentatively traced to a deployment earlier this morning. We've made fixing it of the highest priority, and in the meantime are about to turn off the VE to prevent people accidentally munging articles. It goes without saying that we're very sorry about this issue, and the disruption it has caused; hopefully it won't be repeated! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 14:49, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:Page tabs looks funny in the visual editor. See how it looks in my usersapce. Panpog1 ( talk) 22:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
-- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:58, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
When holding the delete key, one of 2 things happen:
To use the delete key, you need to rapidly tap it, which seems to work normally.
The old editing window had optional add ons that could be enabled like having 2 drop-down menus of common edit summaries. These would definitely be good to include in VE, not sure if you guys are already on to that. Thanks, please keep up the good work, Lesion ( talk) 09:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
The use of templates within the beta Visual Editor is not intuitive, at least to me, and I could not easily locate help.
I just made my first use of the VE, both attempts to add simple {{citation needed}} templates did not go as planned: when I reviewed the edit, both the article improvement tag, and the sentence it followed, seemed to be enclosed inside nowiki ... /nowiki syntax. So I didn't save the edit, and have gone back to standard editing in my preferences. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 18:25, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
tried to edit by adding [[Japanese people|Japanese]] correct link in passengers and it came out as plain text every time. At the moment I will go back to the old ways. Also i could not find the wiki markups that were always handy. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 19:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to keep posting here, but I couldn't sleep last night and was thinking about VE :/
— This, that and the other (talk) 04:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
"Starting on June 18, VisualEditor will be randomly enabled by default for half of newly created accounts on the English Wikipedia to test stability, performance and features."
This is from the June 17 2013 Tech News. It links to this list mail.
I think this is a bad idea. The VE team is already getting a lot of feedback from editors who opt in voluntarily (via preferences) to try out VE.
This could cause a lot of new editors to quit editing Wikipedia due to the many bugs, and due to the many reverts they are likely to receive. Also, many new editors started out as anonymous editors, and are somewhat familiar with wikitext source editing.
Unless "edit source" links are returned to article sections many editors will be clueless as to how to use what they know works. So they will do the logical thing and quit editing for awhile or permanently (since many people drift to the latest thing that interests them). -- Timeshifter ( talk) 02:58, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
At [6]:
Last external link in the article has the title
Case information at the NIH National Library of Medicine
In Visual Editor, some text is prepended to that, resulting in the displayed title being:
's+Shoo+Fly+Powders+for+Drunkenness Case information at the NIH National Library of Medicine
Reproduced in Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
On Mac/Chrome/Version 27.0.1453.110, this puts a thin rectangle with a small icon, looking like a missing image, roughly centered left-right on the page, starting about the first line of the lede and continuing down to about the fifth line of the first paragraph of the Biography. The text does not flow around the box, but ignores it. In Safari 6.0.5 (8536.30.1), there's no box, but there is an abonormally wide area after "Help" but before the close parenthesis, more or less:
Hermann Müller (help ) (18 May 1876 – 20 March 1931),
I speculate that both of these are related to the sound clip. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
When I open this in Visual Editor, I get a link symbol pop-up, and I have no idea why. Reproduced on Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Scroll to the lawsuit section, note the replication of the link to Title IX just under the portrait. Reproduces under Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
End of first paragraph ends:
there is no corresponding defense in English law.[2][contradictory]
In Visual Editor, it reads:
there is no corresponding defense in English law.[2][<span title="This text contradicts text in the article "Necessity in English law" (3 May 2011)">contradictory]
Reproduced in Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
In general, Wikipedians often talk about redlinks. It would be really nice if redlinks were red in the Visual Editor. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The first three discography tables, but not the last of the four, have something strange going on in the ruling at the bottom of the tables. Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 05:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
When an image size is specified in an infobox, "125px" and "125 px" are not equivalent as they are with wiki language. Alberto Fernández Fernández ( talk) 10:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't VE only be made the default AFTER all bugs have been removed AND everything that can currently be done in the normal editor can also be done in VE? Wikipedia:VisualEditor/FAQ says VE is supposed to be turned on by July 2013. How can VE be bug-free until then if this is true? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 11:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, as a vehement supporter of VE and the VE team, I'm going to put this out there. You better watch it extremely, extremely closely during that A/B test. Even I feel that with the amount of reports that have trickled in over the past two weeks, going for an A/B test right now seems overly optimistic and basically setting the foundation up for getting their heads bashed in by this community. I fear this is not going to end well and that would be a shame. I'm not asking for something bug free, I don't care what it says about this community, nor do I care about performance numbers and deadlines of the foundation, I just want it to not end badly. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I wont be testing anymore. It's not intuitive. It doesnt work. It uses a diff paradigm. I'm happy with what I have. Atlas-maker ( talk) 13:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Some comments on the visual editor:
Good job but still needs quite some work done. Also, I've seen this mentioned somewhere but I have to comment on it: is it wise to release a tool to make editing faster/easier without the feature of adding sources? This seems like asking for trouble. Cheers. Gaba (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice if VE could accept simple wiki-mark up like brackets for links [8] or equals signs for section headers [9] without automatically inserting the nowiki tags. It would make for a smoother transition for experienced editors IMO. ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 20:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
In visual editor mode, the page currently renders the refs as numbers but there's no way to change the refs - for example to change the page number. Hovering the cursor over gives a cannot edit symbol; hovering the cursor over the refs section gives the same symbol. How are we to verify the material we write? Victoria ( talk) 20:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I think the visual editor should display any <!-- internal comments --> the article contains. Many of these comments are designed to prevent the repetition of erroneous edits before they occur and their omission in the VE view neglects this purpose. :) John Cline ( talk) 22:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I just tried some editing of templates at mw:VisualEditor:Template_test, and I have some feedback, with the most important at the top.
The VE is so not ready for prime time. My #1 request at his point is for an easy "toggle" to toggle over to "edit source", similar to the way most visual editors for html let you toggle easily between visual and html code editing mode. Meclee ( talk) 23:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC) I should probably clarify that, by "easy way to toggle", I don't simply mean a button or tab. As it stands, if I'm in Wikitext mode and have made Wiki mark-up changes, I cannot simply toggle over to VE because VE cannot handle the WMU changes made. I'm not a developer, but perhaps the "toggle" should "save" the changes before switching? Meclee ( talk) 23:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to add some punctuation in Star Trek Into Darkness in this edit, but the VisualEditor also tried copying part of an image link as well, which messed up the page. GoingBatty ( talk) 00:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I supposedly made this edit [10], except I did NOT make all those changes, and in fact did not change any citations. Perhaps there was an edit conflict or something. But that seems like a significant "bug". Alanscottwalker ( talk) 01:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Just a thought: would it not be possible to have the visual editor detect whether changes had only been made to a particular section, and if this was the case, to treat the edit as an edit to that section (including appropriate notations on the diff, as at present, e.g. -->History)?
This would circumvent most edit conflicts, enable editors to see quickly what areas had been changed by an edit, and possibly speed up the saves. I can't see any disadvantages to implementing this. hgilbert ( talk) 01:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Three Two of the eight most recent edits using VisualEditor
[11]
[12]
[13] have attempted to use wiki syntax in VisualEditor. The wikilink syntax issue is
bugzilla:49686, but the use of apostrophes is probably more an issue of community education than compensating with software features. If people try to use VE this way, they will get a negative impression that VE "doesn't work", because it is not doing what they expect it to do.
Just putting it out there, something for the community liaison folks to be aware of. — This, that and the other (talk) 03:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Changing image captions should not be any harder than changing other kinds of text. Why is it not possible? Also, while it's probably going to be impossible to edit templates visually, it should be possible to remove them, as well as images. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 05:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
OpenOffice is a large and complicated page, with hundreds of references. In normal wikitext editing, it takes thirty seconds or more to just save and re-render the page. So I just tried doing a pile of text edits with the VE ... and it timed out. The error: "Error saving data to server: timeout." It did this both when I asked for a preview and when I went ahead and hit "save" anyway. Needless to say, this needs never to happen.
(Also, odd thing: I tried typing the summary ... and couldn't backspace or edit what I'd typed in any way, just type more. This was after the first server timeout.) - David Gerard ( talk) 08:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
The end of the article, in the Visual Editor, reads:
* Official Biography at Griffin|Schein * Chad Griffin на сайті Internet Movie Database (англ.) Шаблон:S-start↵Шаблон:S-npo Попередник: {{{попередник}}} ↵{{{титул}}} Шаблон:S-inc Шаблон:LGBT Шаблон:Use mdy dates
Reproduced on my Mac in both Chrome and Safari. Enjoy! -- j⚛e decker talk 04:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
After the word Hinterland, VE displays a ↵ symbol (not unlike that found on some Enter/Return keys) following the word "hinterland." Both Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The new visual editor gives not the least indication (that I could find) how to insert/edit references, this is a huge missing, since it actually makes it a lot harder to insert references for new editors (i.e. those that don't know how) and will further stratify between knowledgeable and new editors as all new editors stand a big chance of their efforts being reverted due to lack of references and having no way to find out how to do referencing.
For me there is no way a new editor should be introduced that makes an already difficult and archaic task, yet a required task, basically impossible, there is no way I could support the new editor whilst this gaping hole in functionality exists. And if the functionality does exist (I would hope it does) it needs to be obvious and simple and easy to use. Jasonfward ( talk) 21:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, that was annoying. The inability to modify citations, for example, is a deal killer. Speed...feels like I went back to pre-Pentium days. I have quickly disabled this, and am glad it will continue to be an option one can disable. I can't imagine when I would ever use it, unless it got some really smooth table creating and editing features. That's the one thing I dislike doing in the present editor.
Positives: I'm sure it will be easier for the casual user (as long as that casual user has lots of time on her hands). hgilbert ( talk) 21:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi. This was my first experience with VisualEditor. I was editing Microsoft OneNote when I somehow caused the infobox to move below the lead. I noticed too late, when reverting it via undo button was too costly and time-taking and putting it back manually was impossible.
I tried copying the diff of my changes so that I could re-apply them in Source Editor... only to discover that it is impossible to select or copy diff text.
This editor is too immature. Please don't deploy it yet. Best regards, Codename Lisa ( talk) 22:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Goodness knows what went wrong here, but edits like this should somehow be rejected by the server. — This, that and the other (talk) 05:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried editing User:Faizan/Guestbook by simply adding a new line and my signature, but lucky I clicked review changes: VisualEditor was tampering with other user's signatures! It didn't seem to like links that were multi-coloured, and was instead changing them to a single colour. WHY? -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 08:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
From what I can tell the visual editor edits template text poorly, and does not edit the formatting at all. I am not sure if VE can, or will be able to, edit transcluded templates at all. At least not where the transcluded template is used in a section of an article. This is important for updating navigation boxes used in multiple articles, for example.
So we need quick access to a list of transcluded templates used in that section of the article. So we can click on a template link and edit that template. The source editor for a section does not immediately show a list of transcluded templates in that section.
I had no idea until yesterday that a list of templates used in a section existed. I knew only of the full page list of templates that shows up at the bottom of the page when you click the edit (source) link at the top of the page.
But I now know that a preview of a section edit in the source editor shows a list of transcluded templates used in the section. Just hitting the "edit source" link for a section does not show this list of templates.
That needs to change. We need to see that list of transcluded templates right away after clicking the "edit source" link for a section.
To see what I am talking about hit the edit source link for this section. You will not see any template links after the edit window. Then click the "show preview" button. You will now see the Bugzilla tracking template linked after the edit window under "view templates". -- Timeshifter ( talk) 10:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Here is a page that has a table and a couple transcluded navigation-box templates at the bottom:
With VE the table is editable and WYSIWYG.
But with VE the existing text in the 2 navigation boxes can not be edited as far as I can tell. At least not within VE from that page. I am talking about after clicking the edit icons for the navigation boxes. New parameters can be added to one of the templates, but I don't see a way to edit the text for existing parameters in either navigation box. So those are examples of transcluded templates that would need links in "view templates" when section editing in source mode.
Quiddidy's idea would also help. That is if it provided a direct link to the transcluded template page, and not to the core templates that make up the navigation box at the core level. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 05:24, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I couldn't remember if this had been brought up already, but when you enter editing mode on a page with redlinks they all suddenly turn blue. It kind of defeats the purpose of a WYSIWYG editor if the page renders differently in editing mode. – Thatotherperson ( talk/ contribs) 09:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Great work getting the {{ sfn}} problem sorted!
Tried again on some articles in userspace:
In my option still not safe enough for main space edits. Edgepedia ( talk) 18:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I like the new Visual Editor, but I think it could be useful to allow some "hybrid" writing. For example, I'd like to be able to write ==Title== and let the editor to autotransform in a title. I know it is possible to click in the button, but I think productivity would be increased if it is possible to work only with the keyboard. -- FAR ( talk) 13:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
In the existing editor when I start typing in the edit summary field it will prompt me with various edit summaries that I've used before. This often saves the majority of key depressions needed for one typo fix. Visual editor doesn't do this, is that intentional? If so it is a pain. Ϣere SpielChequers 05:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I've stopped testing for now - it has simply slowed to the point where I can't take part, but I figure testers are not in short supply considering how many open issues I and others have on this page. I reverted to the old editor for this after it had hung for several minutes, the second edit in a row that happened to me. Normally when fixing minor typos I would be averaging one a minute so a 7 minute gap looks like a 6 minute overhead and feels like far more. Ϣere SpielChequers 14:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
If the goal is to make it easier then it should be easy to add a reference as well. RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 06:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Just a quick and hopefully easy question: How do I opt out of all this? I do not want to spend my time learning this new system when I've done perfectly well with the old one for the last almost eight years. Manxruler ( talk) 18:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
As dumb as it may be, that is something that came to my mind as well. I, too, have spent countless hours on learning the current system and I am proud of being experienced with most stuff of the current system. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Visual Editor cannot be better at some point than the current system (hopefully it will be). It's also not meant to say everything is perfect the way it is or that nothing should be changed, but it is something that should be kept in mind. Think of the seniors, masters and grandmasters as well. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied in the end. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:40, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I did my first edit using visual editor. I tried to change about 6 words in one sentence. After waiting a long time for it to save, the following 2,262 byte difference was the result ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sholay&diff=559794409&oldid=559758646), along with red citation errors in the text. I used undo and disabled visual editor on my preferences; not gonna be happy to be forced into this. BollyJeff | talk 23:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
This is further to my earlier comments above. Using Opera 12.14 here. Last night I checked what VE looks like in Firefox, where it is working. But in Opera the new tabs for Edit and Edit Source do not appear after I enable VE in my preferences, the tab is still labelled Edit this Page, so clearly VE is not currently being enabled in Opera. I tried identifying as Firefox in my browser preferences but no change. There are some earlier comments in the bug reports indicating Opera was working once so guess they have disabled it again. Would be nice to have a statement about this. When VE goes live can we assume that we Opera users will continue to get the old configuration rather than a silly 'update your browser' message? (and by the way, the Chrome look alike version of Opera, Opera 15 currently in beta, will come out in due course. Because of many issues lots of us will continue using Opera 12 for a long time afterwards so this needs supporting as well). Dsergeant ( talk) 05:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Three times I've turned on VisualEditor over the last couple weeks, including just now, and three times I haven't seen any difference. Either I don't know what to look for, or this doesn't work for me. I'm on Firefox 16, although apparently I'm not supposed to be (it likes to warn me about that) because my OS is too old or something. Wasn't going to mention anything here but now it seems more and more people are actually getting to try this thing out. I agree with the user above, I would only want to use it if it actually made creating tables easier (I prefer to not have to rack my brains when creating something normal; nor do I want to memorize a bunch of code unless I was getting paid six figures to write code). But figured I'd mention here that VE does not seem to do much of anything for me. Edit buttons still appear in sections and editing still seems to be... like normal. Am I missing something here? Is there supposed to be some awesome looking screen? I wasn't able to find any screenshots around here to help me out. – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 22:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Not an expert, but this is my take: There should be two tabs visible at the top: "Edit" and "Edit source". Clicking on edit will give you the visual editor. Clicking on "edit source", or any of the section edit links, will give you the traditional editor. hgilbert ( talk) 01:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Question: for those of us running unsupported browsers is the situation that nothing will change? Quick note: after a lengthy conversation w/ Apple I learned that OS 10.7.2 was bundled with a build of Safari 5.1.1 and it's no longer possible to download a separate browser upgrade (I tried - didn't work). The only option is a full OS upgrade. Victoria ( talk) 19:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure whether shortcuts are planned in VE, but using "CTRL Z" do not undo my previous edit (Sorry bad habits die hard) as expected but deletes the picture instead with no obvious way to undo it
Way to reproduce:edit with VE; resize a picture; hit "CTRL Z"
Funny things also happen when you hit "CTRL+B" or "CTRL+I", the selected word is replaced with a weird character while the corresponding button becomes active (using FF Nighlty 24)
Alberto Fernández Fernández (
talk) 07:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
This reopens a question I asked above (under "Is VE intended to do automated cleanup?"), which was side-tracked because the worst example given turned out to be a known bug.
In this edit I changed only a single word, but VE also, unasked, altered multiple levels of <small> ... </small> and <big> ... </big> to single levels. Under "Why is it changing everything else?!", three above this, Numbermaniac found it altering multi-coloured signatures to single colours. Are these bugs, or is VE intended to perform AWB-style tidying up? Editors may not be happy to have their material re-formatted, unless it is explained what is and is not allowed.
Also, to repeat what I said above (two days ago, but two days is a long time in this environment!) I find it alarming if VE is doing AWB-style cleanup. With AWB there are strict Rules of use, permission is required and is given only to trusted users with at least 500 mainspace edits, it is made clear to them that they are responsible for everything done by it and their permission may be withdrawn if it is misused. If VE becomes the default editor for everyone including newbies, we cannot expect them to check on "cleanup" edits it may make in other parts of the page, possibly involving wiki-markup they do not understand, so its automated "cleaning-up" will effectively be unsupervised. What sort of testing is planned that could possibly make this a safe or sensible idea? JohnCD ( talk) 11:25, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Given that there are still some serious bugs with the VE program at current I think we need to hold off on doing the 50% release. Likewise I think we need to remove the comment that is displaying on the contributions page. Kumioko ( talk) 16:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I like VisualEditor and support its development and moving forward with it. However, I can't think of a worse time to do A/B testing with new users. Hardly anyone knows well enough how VE works, or how to explain it to newbies. More particularly, aside from vandalism, the most common reason for reversion of edits from new editors is a lack of supporting reference. VisualEditor does not yet properly support referencing. So...you're throwing the new users to the lions because they will be incapable of actually meeting minimal editing expectations, they're going to be reverted, and then they won't be technically *able* to add the reference source. This helps new editor retention how?
Get the template and reference stuff straightened out, make it the default for experienced editors...fine. But at least make sure this is a functional product, and that there are lots of people who know how it works, before you start newbies on it. The few WMF staff assigned to helping people work things out aren't nearly enough to support the new users who are going to be sideswiped here. Risker ( talk) 05:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey all. We're going to postpone the A/B test for several days; I'll post more details as I get them, but I understand it's largely down to known bugs with the existing software - bugs that you reported, and bugs that were crucial in making a go/no go decision. Thank you to everyone for all your hard work poking at the VE, and for all your reports thus far; it's much appreciated :). Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 19:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
[Copied from WP:VPT] I've only made two edits with VisualEditor recently, both yesterday, both disasters: this and this. The random garbling of text (insertion of "ad a private-pilot license and" and "[[File:Audie-Murphy-Monument.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Monument at the site of the plane crash in which Audie Murphy d"), the random insertions and removals of spaces throughout the article, and the random deletion of a hidden comment from an infobox ("<!-- LEAVE THIS ALONE! See Talk page discussion.-->") were all VE. (It's possible someone thought that "fixing" HTML markup by adding or removing a lot of spaces throughout was a feature and not a bug, but they were misinformed ... it takes a lot of time to search through a long diff to check to make sure no additional significant errors were introduced.) I was editing just one section at a time, and the errors introduced were in sections I wasn't editing. - Dank ( push to talk) 20:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
This edit, line 136 - it's turned the letter i into a new paragraph. I have no idea what it's even trying to do here - David Gerard ( talk) 23:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I just now realised that it's possible to enable VisualEditor (why is it one CamelCase word anyway?) for registered accounts, so I decided to try it out, followed the instructions, and enabled it in Preferences/Editing. However, no pages seem to have changed; I've gone to the edit screen both in mainspace and in userspace, and I've waited more than a little pause without anything appearing. Any idea what's wrong? I thought my use of Monobook might be responsible, but I see above that someone's gotten it to work in Monobook. Using IE8 in Windows 7. PS — when adding this section I got an edit conflict, even though I was using the new section tab. Can't remember ever getting an EC when using the add-a-new-section tab; is this perhaps caused by the VisualEditor? Nyttend ( talk) 23:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if this has been brought up but VE doesn't seem to work with Internet explorer 8 or less. Kumioko ( talk) 00:22, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi all! I started testing the VisualEditor and tried a few simple edits. A while ago, I performed this edit which was just a correction (135 instead of 130). The visual editor somehow messed with the images, duplicating part of them, check it out. I corrected the edit with the normal editor. -- CeruttiPaolo ( talk) 09:24, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Templates which are hidden like {{ Use British English}} and {{ use dmy dates}} aren't showing when you go into edit an article with VE, all you see is a carriage return ( ↵ ) which is easily deleted as a superfluous character. See Stoke-on-Trent for an example. This could lead to a rash of deletions innocently thought to be cleanup of stray characters. NtheP ( talk) 10:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
CTRL-C eliminates text from the editing window.
After cutting or copying, CTRL-V just pastes this character instead of the actual text: ♙
CTRL-Z doesn't undo a cut or a copy. Woodshed ( talk) 13:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I notice that you get one of "your edit has been saved boxes". What's the .css hack to switch this off (I already have it disabled for source edits with .postedit { display: none;}
)?
NtheP (
talk) 19:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I set out to add a db-a10 template, which takes a single parameter, and was baffled when asked for a parameter name. Eventually I guessed that "1" was the right answer. Perhaps there could be a hint for that: "Enter parameter name, or 1, 2 etc if no explicit name." JohnCD ( talk) 21:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I successfully added a db-a10 template to the top of a test page, but when I removed it (using the jigsaw icon and "Remove template") a line of detritus was left behind, see here. JohnCD ( talk) 22:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Why is the beta release scheduled for July? The alpha version seems more than a month away from being useful. All it can do is edit basic text, which is not a problem with the current editor. Everyone says VisualEditor is going to help new users overcome the Wikimarkup barrier; how will it do that without being able to edit elements that use complex markup? Inexperienced editors are not having trouble adding links, section headings, or basic text. They have trouble formatting references, editing transcluded content, adding lines to tables...all the stuff VisualEditor can't do. The current version is an interesting prototype, not a useful product.
Thatotherperson (
talk/
contribs) 11:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Secondly, the user needs to be able to insert wiki code into the edit window in the way they always have. Remember, the various codes like [[link]], '''bold''', {{template}}
use characters that are unlikely ever to occur in the text of an article, so the edit system should silently accept them and save them, not surround them with nowiki tags.
The software needs to comply with these basic requirements, along with several others like proper support for cites/references and templates, before there can be any serious roll-out to users other than volunteer testers. If this means 3 or 6 months so be it. Sussexonian ( talk) 21:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
No idea if this has been brought up but this. It seems to have a problem with image templates.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 21:31, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to add one image and replace anotherone both did not succeed. [19]. Also how are the suggested items choosen? It seems every image which just contains the word Dublin anywhere on the description site on commons comes up. better just use the Category. -- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
See down the bottom of this edit, line 791? I didn't make that change, VE decided to do it - David Gerard ( talk) 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
When you get to the final stage, and you review your changes, and you realise VE has turned the article into guacamole, and you've already reported the bug in question ... a cancel button right there would be a very good thing to do. The impression it would give a n00b is "hah, no way out! You can only review it again, or save!" - David Gerard ( talk) 20:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Sure, change is scary, and not everyone (myself included) is entirely comfortable with it, but you guys are doing a great job, especially now that we can edit templates. (Very cool for tables, by the way...except they're pretty easy to break if you delete a cell.) I think this is a huge leap forward, and will open Wikipedia to a much wider base of would-be editors. Thank you for all your hard work! ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 01:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
This is what happened when I tried to do a relatively minor copyedit to Daimler Company with VisualEditor: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daimler_Company&diff=560605619&oldid=560594194
...and this is what I had to do to correct it: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daimler_Company&diff=next&oldid=560605619
Besides which, is Wikimedia sure that a feature that makes it easier to add content and harder to add citations is a step in the right direction?
Sincerely, SamBlob ( talk) 11:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
If you enter, for instance, "Welcome" in the new template box, on clicking "Apply changes" you see the result; but if you enter "subst:welcome" you see only {{subst:welcome}}, though after clicking "Save page" the result is correct. Should there be a check-box for "subst" in the New template dialogue, (a) to save typing it out, (b) to arrange the correct display? JohnCD ( talk) 11:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
This is different from "Removing template leaves detritus" six items above: this time, the template I added was subst-ed, so the "Remove template" dialogue was not available. To try to remove it, I dragged the cursor across to select the whole line and pressed "delete", but the HTML comments included in the template were not deleted. JohnCD ( talk) 11:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Look very good! I would like it more if the parameters would appear in the order they are in the template rather than alphabetically for intance in in Ethanol the image parameters in the info box are split up because of that also often the parameters are in the order of the rows in the Infobox to make the easier to find and or identify.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 13:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
[20]-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
And another pawn here. I had cut and pasted a single word of hyperlinked text. NtheP ( talk) 15:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Visual editing will be a handicap, similar to a graphical user interface (GUI) over a command line interpreter. It is far more expeditious and flexible to type what is intended rather than to click and poke, which requires considerable manual dexterity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roesser ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Trying to strip superfluous sections or space off the end of a page fails to leave an empty line between the last visible text and wikimarkup (categories, persondata, et cetera). See this diff [21] and this diff [22]. This is only a problem in VE because the things at the end are invisible- an editor can't tell if there is markup there or not. A412 ( Talk • C) 16:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I opened my user page in the Visual Editor - and found that an image I'd linked from the page displayed, large, wrecking the layout. Perhaps the link to it is non-standard, but I've happily read and edited that page for years with that link " pictured" with no problems. The wikicode is [[:Image:Flag of Wales 2.svg|pictured]] . Pam D 16:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
An erroneous [edit] link appears in the Visual Editor.
Steps to reproduce:
A412 ( Talk • C) 17:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
After clicking "Save page", if you happen to click outside the "Describe what you changed" box, e.g. in the WP search box just above it (quite a likely mistake, I have done it more than once) or in the article text area, the "Describe what you changed" box locks and you cannot edit there. You can get out of that by clicking "Review changes" and then "Return to save form", but it's irritating. JohnCD ( talk) 18:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I tried the editor on Craig Short but parts of the text is hidden behind the infobox so you cannot really edit the page. Using Firefox 21.0. Keith D ( talk) 21:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The bold/italics/apostrophes in the lead section of Flaming Pie looks just fine when reading the article, but click Edit and you'll see that the VisualEditor doesn't display the bold/italics/apostrophes properly. GoingBatty ( talk) 00:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I tried to edit mw:Help:VisualEditor/FAQ using the VisualEditor, I noticed two things:
please [[<tvar|bugreport>Special:MyLanguage/How to report a bug</>|report the issue in bugzilla]] in the [<tvar|bugzilla>https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=VisualEditor</> "VisualEditor" product]
</translate>↵<translate>
GoingBatty ( talk) 01:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
How exactly can I add new table rows in a table? -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 03:01, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
So I decided to test the Visual Editor again today, and seeing the new template editor, I'm impressed. I just wish you didn't have to go to a separate tab to edit each parameter, this can get really annoying for templates like {{ IPAc-en}}. Also, for some reason, it only works for a few common templates like {{ taxobox}} or {{ main}}. I see no reason why it wouldn't work for more obscure templates, but I'm not a coder.
A few visual design quibbles:
Either that or make these things that can be changed through personal CSS. — Kelvinsong ( talk) 14:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
So I work often on fixing links to disambiguation pages. Is it somehow possible to find in a big page the link that is piped to a specific page? because Firefox only looks for the lable.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
As an editor of technical articles not being able to edit formulas in the visual editor is an issue. There should be a small window opening when you click on top of a formula to see the LaTex source for editing. That would be fantastic. sanpaz ( talk) 04:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I reverted this [23] edit to Jasper Fforde, partly because of the poor spelling (instalment has only one 'l' in UK English, and 'Uniteed' States is clearly wrong) and the overlinking but also because of parts of the edit which may be due to VE - note the change to "[[Parody|<nowiki/>]][[parody]]" and "[[The Guardian|''The '']]''[[Guardian]]''". It's difficult to tell whether these were genuine mistakes by the editor or caused by VE, but I suspect the latter simply because the wiki markup is all over the place - unless, maybe, said editor is entering the markup manually? Stephenb (Talk) 06:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can see, if I want to replace {{ stub}} by {{ Italy-saint-stub}} or {{ 1970s-rock-album-stub}} I've got to do two separate operations, one to remove a transclusion and one to add a new one. Very tedious, for those of us who sort hundreds of stubs. Have I missed something, or is it going to be OK in future version, ... or will VE make life more difficult for stub-sorters? Pam D 15:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
It's also very tedious to have to go through the "click at bottom of article, click on transclusion icon at top, wait" routine several times when adding more than one stub template. Couldn't there be a "add another transclusion" option? And, they get added on the same line, where they ought each to be on a separate line. See this edit.
On the other hand, the drop-down menu of templates is a great help, thanks. It would be even better if there was an option to only see the templates with names ending in "-stub"! And now I've done for a while, after this flurry of feedback, as Mother wants her tea! Pam D 17:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When editing an article with maintenance tags, perhaps under a "multiple issues" wrapper, they display looking very similar to article text. Could they be boxed round as in the actual article display, to help distinguish them from the actual article content? See Virivilai for an example of the effect. Pam D 16:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
There seems no way to see the categories while editing an article? Or is that "coming soon"? Pam D 16:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC+1)
When I edited Ordric to remove {{ stub}}, this lot got inserted:
Messy. Pam D 17:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The Page Settings box displays the article title as a default "Defaultsort". But it doesn't seem possible to edit it: typing any letters removes the whole existing text, while trying to delete a few characters has no effect. Where the sort key is not identical to the article title it's usually a variation of it - delete a leading "The ", or move the given name from start to end. It's a waste to have to retype it all: we ought to be able to edit that box. (I'm using Firefox 21.0, in case that's significant). Pam D 18:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The article I was editing had a blank line between {{ reflist}} and the catetories, and another between the categories and the stub templates. I wanted to add an "External links" section and found it difficult. I typed "External links", highlighted and clicked to get it as H2, but then couldn't add anything below. Went back and undid the H2, added blank lines below, then re-H2'd it, add EL section... and it all came out as H2. Then gave up, saved edit, and re-edited in "Edit source" to clean up (as I've done with every recent VE edit, given the garbage that VE produces when I remove a stub template!).
I had an earlier problem trying to add an "Italic title" template to the top of an article - it appeared in the midst of the lead sentence.
So as a generic problem: it's not easy to insert new headings or templates into the right place.
I like the idea of VE, and the dropdown menus of templates, but it's proving very hard work to use it at present. Pam D 20:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
@Okeyes: further up the page I asked about a basic user guide and you said it was on your to-do list. Good, but two comments:
JohnCD ( talk) 22:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The Ctrl-C problem (reported above under "Shortcuts keys - Firefox 17.0.1 (Windows)") was supposed to have been fixed with Bugzilla 49816 but I still find, when copying/pasting formatted text in VE Edit mode (Windows 7, Firefox 21.0) that while right-click+copy, cut, paste behave as expected,
JohnCD ( talk) 20:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Noticed while editing in sandbox, but easily replicated: A | character gets added each time the article is edited: [24] and [25]. Edgepedia ( talk) 19:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
While I'm editing an article, or more especially a dab page, I may well want to see where the links go. The lead sentence shown on mouseover from an article, or from the old edit system, usually gives enough info to upgrade a dab page entry without having to open the whole article. In VE, I can only see the article title. That's a real negative. Is it a temporary bug? I hope so! Pam D 19:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I open Eye of the Beast (2007 film), the title of the infobox appears as "<th colspan=2 class=summary ... [etc etc]" (can't copy it to paste here), spread across full width of screen. It's {{ Infobox television film}}. There doesn't look to be anything strange about the infobox. Pam D 21:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
VisualEditor contains errors concerning spacing between stubs and categories, stubs and references, and hatnotes, etc. and infoboxes. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 21:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I try to use VisualEditor to edit some articles such as Yellow Submarine (song) or Eleanor Rigby, I get an error stating "Error loading data from server: parsoidserver-http-bad-status: 500. Would you like to retry?" However, I don't get this error on other articles such as Wilmington, Delaware. I get the error on Windows 7 with IE10 and Firefox 21. GoingBatty ( talk) 23:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Consecutive images are not rendered properly while editing and disabled for editing. List_of_death_deities and Kaveri (right-aligned images shown as left-aligned in editing). -- Redtigerxyz Talk 07:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Kedarnath Temple: infobox covers part of lead while editing. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 08:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Can not move cursor by mouse in edit summary text box. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 08:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I made this edit in "Edit Source" because I couldn't see how to do it in VE. I don't want to have to retype a whole hatnote just to add an extra couple of un-named parameters. Am I missing something, or is VE missing something? Pam D 13:05, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
When inserting a link to Hawaii with the text Hawaiian, it did not simplify the link to ((Hawaii))an. Is this going to be fixed? autoED fixes that kind of thing pretty readily, as does AWB. Many thanks. Jamesx12345 ( talk) 21:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Starting with this test page in edit mode, I selected everything above "Second L2 header" by putting the cursor at top left and dragging it down to the start of the "Second L2 header" line. Then I did right-click/copy, placed the cursor at the bottom of the page, and did right-click/paste. The result was this: everything has copied correctly except that the first header is no longer a header. The diff shows that the == == have been removed from it, and a mysterious ==<nowiki/>== has appeared at the bottom. I have tried other variations and the results are consistent: the top header loses its == == and ==<nowiki/>== is added at the bottom of the pasted section. JohnCD ( talk) 21:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
When trying to edit a translucion of {{ commons category}} to add a parameter the box put up is blank and does not allow you to do anything. Keith D ( talk) 00:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
When editing an article using {{ sfn}} references, {{sfn|Smith|1990|p=20}} is now expanded into something like <ref name="FOOTNOTESmith199020">[[#CITEREFSmith1990|Smith 1990]], p. 20.<ref>
However, it appears I cannot yet edit these references with the visual editor. This stops any serious use (i.e. testing) of the editor, even on drafts in user space. Edgepedia ( talk) 14:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
These are some minor graphical/usability glitches that someone else may have mentioned but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else. These are all in Firefox 21.0.
AioftheStorm ( talk) 22:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit: Additionally, deleting the header led to VE
deleting the text of the header and replacing it with a nowiki tag, creating a
floating, invisible, header.
AioftheStorm (
talk) 23:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
On this simple test page, if I wish to add something at the top, I put the cursor at top left, just left of the "H" in "Header", and press "Enter". The page moves down, as expected, but the cursor is left to the right of the H.
Pressing the "Up" key now moves the cursor to the start of the line above, as expected, but anything else, like pressing "Backspace" to undo the initial "Return" does not work as it should.
Once having got the cursor up to the top line, pressng "Delete" moves everything back up as expected, but also de-headers the header line, like this. JohnCD ( talk) 22:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I just changed "32" to "35" on one of my user pages. [26] VisualEditor also saw fit to hack my signature further down the page. Maybe that's why it took so long. (I thought it was editing the whole internet) -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 08:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
"{{cite book"
strangely turned into <span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser%3AWhatamidoing+%28WMF%29%2Fsandbox&rft.aufirst=Adrian&rft.au
. I also got a rather unhelpful error message, "Error saving data to server: error." But it silently saved the page, although it didn't exit edit mode. This is repeatable; the
second edit produced the same error about not being able to save while saving the page anyway. However, it's not consistent, because
the third similar change produced no errors.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 08:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)I think many People sayed that before but for me an beta version is a software which does the essential things its made for but may have bigger errors. Adding an row to a table is one essential thing. If you are really going to deploy in July you will annoy a lot of people especially if it replaces the normal edit mode in any respect. What about the Combination Alt+Shift+E will it open the "normal" edit mode or the source code what about the hundreds of userscripts which most of the time will do things which are not supported by the new editor by then. So far >50% of my tries I could not do what I wanted to and I only tried the simple things. After so many year why the hurry?-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 13:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Initial thoughts: At the moment I'm used to typing {{convert|100|mi}} to use a template. While the new UI is good for newbies or unfamiliar templates when template metadata is working, it's slower because I have to move my hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back again. Any keyboard shortcuts? Also if I select a template and press control-x, surely that should cut it into the paste buffer? Edgepedia ( talk) 16:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Edgepedia ( talk) 17:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Also tried to move a section heading using cntl-x and ctrl-v here Edgepedia ( talk) 19:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
After I press save, many pages look different than when I refresh the page afterwards:
-- WS ( talk) 11:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
After checking, I see both first two condition already appear at step 2, but they persist after saving and only return to normal after refresh. -- WS ( talk) 12:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
With this edit, the first time I have dared to use VE on a live article, I intended to remove the PROD template (which I did not find easy or intuitive - I will explore that further and comment separately) and add a "notability" template (which went fine). However, VE also took out an infobox. JohnCD ( talk) 20:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:ORDER the stub tag or tags should go after everything else, but when I removed a {{ stub}} tag and added first a specific stub tag and then a category to an article, VE added the category after the stub tag. Pam D 21:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The {{ Userspace draft}} template is designed to display differently depending on the type of page it is on. When using VE to add it to a user sub-page, clicking "Apply changes" shows the "This page is a new unreviewed article... " version appropriate to a mainspace article page, but when the page is saved, what appears is the correct "This is not a Wikipedia article: it is an individual user's work in progress page... " version appropriate to a user page. JohnCD ( talk) 22:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure whether this is a visualeditor or chrome bug: whenever I try to cut & paste the commons category template, it crashes the chrome tab at the moment of pressing command/x. Ran into this on Pancytopenia, but it happens on any page using this template. It does not happen with any other template that I have tried. This is on Chrome 28 on mac, on safari it works fine. -- WS ( talk) 11:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
The list in Avatar: Dasam Granth not visible for editing-- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This edit was intended to just change one link in the intro paragraph: not only did it not do so correctly, it also made spurious edits througout the rest of the article.
One way to catch this for debugging purposes would be for the VisualEditor to make a note at tuntime of which sections of the article have been edited visually, for the JS code to report this to the server at save time, and then to check on the server side which sections of the article have changed in the wikitext diff. If (a) the section structure of the article remains unchanged from before the edit, and (b) there are wikitext differences in sections that have not been changed by the editor in visual mode, then something's clearly gone wrong, and the edit session should be auto-reported to the programming team. (Please don't try to use this idea as an error concealment technique: these errors shouldn't occur, as every one of them reveals some sort of bug, either in the code or the data model, and hiding them would make the software more, rather than less brittle.)
As ever, please keep up the good work: this is intended as constructive criticism, not an attack, you're making fantastic progress on solving a very difficult and ill-defined problem with hundreds, if not thousands, of awkward corner cases, and I'm impressed by how much the VisualEditor has improved in recent weeks. -- The Anome ( talk) 11:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to add {{in title|pork}} to Pork (disambiguation), but can't see how to do it in VE (now done it in Edit Source). Similar problem to the hatnote issue above, but simpler. Pam D 16:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Starting with this test page in edit mode, as in the test above, I again selected everything above "Second L2 header" by putting the cursor at top left and dragging it down to the start of the "Second L2 header" line. Then I did right-click/copy and in a new, empty test page in "Create" mode did right-click/paste. The result was this - all formatting lost. JohnCD ( talk) 21:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
In this edit to insert a dash the editor incorrectly removed the terminating bold marks earlier in the article. Keith D ( talk) 00:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Riddle me this - when I went to add italics to
Riddler in
this edit, why did VisualEditor try to add <nowiki>...</nowiki>
to the infobox? Also, the {{
unreferenced section}} template does not display properly in VisualEditor mode. Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 03:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Red article links should be disabled in red in edit mode. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
News item for those who only read the bottom of this page and may have missed an update half-way up: the long-awaited User Guide for VE is under development at mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide. Thanks, Maggie! JohnCD ( talk) 10:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
While making
this edit to
CBS Studio Center, I was surprised to see that the entire bulleted list of TV shows can only be edited with markup, even inside the VisualEditor. The list is contained between a pair of column-sorting templates – {{div col|colwidth=21em}} and {{div col end}} – which VE treats as one transclusion. Everything in between the two templates can only be edited by opening the transclusion editor and clicking on the "Content" tab, at which point you are given the exact same raw code to edit as if you had opened the source editor (except it takes several extra clicks to get there and the editing window is much smaller). Obviously I don't mind having to use markup, but it's going to be a problem for all those newbies VE is supposed to recruit.
Thatotherperson (
talk/
contribs) 10:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Although
mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide states "In general, VisualEditor should never make changes to formatting on lines that are not being directly edited", it does this often. For example, in
this edit to change some digits to text in
Joe Flacco, VE removed </div>
.
GoingBatty (
talk) 13:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>...</nowiki>
tags, and changed spacing.
GoingBatty (
talk) 18:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Sumali: When I removed category, after saving the category was not displayed as removed. After doing refresh manually, change was reflected. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I see that the VisualEditor has a new button for editing references. What is the button image supposed to be? I had to rely on the mouseover to discover what it was. I thought I'd try it out on
Joe Flacco by changing the date format on reference #26. I went into Edit mode, went to the "2012 season: Super Bowl MVP" section and noticed that some references displayed as [25] while others displayed as [25]. Also, what is marked as #26 in Read mode is marked as #24 in Edit mode. I highlighted [24] and the Reference button appeared, so I clicked on it. The Reference content window appeared, and when I clicked on the reference, it was highlighted in blue and a new button appeared in the bottom right, but there was no icon on the button and clicking it didn't do anything. Instead, I clicked on the Transclusion button in the toolbar, changed the date parameter, clicked Apply Changes, another Apply Changes, and Save page. Although the reference change in
this edit was great, the change also incorrectly added <nowiki>...</nowiki>
tags in the infobox, so I reverted the change.
GoingBatty (
talk) 14:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
<ref>
and {{
sfn}}. However, in VE edit mode, it appears that the <ref>
references are numbered separately and formatted differently than those with {{
sfn}}. Another implication of this is that I can't seem to figure out how to edit reference #5 (Dominic Pedler. The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles. Music Sales Limited. Omnibus Press. NY. 2003. pp435-437). Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 23:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Is there any way to get HTML comments (<!--...-->) to show up when editing? In the current system, these are used quite frequently, yet there appears to be no alternative in Visual Editor at this time:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE- WPWA- MFIC 15:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Is anyone aware of any issues when Dot's Syntax Highlighter (a gadget available under editing in your preferences) and the Visual Editor are both enabled? It seems like these two would interfere with each other, and probably shouldn't be enabled simultaneously. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 15:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit Kartik Poornima: References I see 4 columns: refs 1-4; 8-12, 5-7; 12 contd. - 16 -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:34, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Chiranjivi: I pressed Delete after "Chiranjeevinaha[citation needed]", however the quote disappeared (as though backspace was used) and the undo was also not working.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I can't seem to leave an edit summary with VisualEditor. Maybe I'm just being stupid? King Jakob C2 18:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Is VisualEditor in alpha or beta testing? Although this page requests feedback for alpha testing and Wikipedia:VisualEditor states beta testing is scheduled for July, the VisualEditor itself says "BETA". Note that it's not obvious that "BETA" is also a button to submit feedback. GoingBatty ( talk) 18:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd never have expected to find the "Feedback" button hidden under "BETA", until seeing someone mention it on this page. Could it be made more obvious? Perhaps rename the "BETA" button as "Feedback"? Pam D 19:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
This might have been mentioned
up the page, but I'm not sure if it's the same thing: In
this edit, besides doing nice things (like removing duplicate images in the infobox) and meh things (like changing <ref name=foo />
to <ref name="foo"></ref>
), VisualEditor also removed an HTML comment in the infobox. This seems to be in line with the "get rid of whitespace in infoboxes" that it was also doing, but comments should be exempted from that, I'm thinking.
Ignatz
mice•
talk 19:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
When I added a couple of External links, VE decided to alter a repeated reference elsewhere in the article from <ref name=uhmb /> to <ref name="uhmb"></ref>. Not an improvement: I always choose reference names without spaces so that I don't need to use quotes round them, and I've always understood it to be correct to close the ref tag within the one occurrence (as shown in Help:Citing_sources#Repeated_citations). VE's version is very clunky, and a long way from the lines I was editing. It should not be making this change. Pam D 20:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting timeouts again ("Error saving data to server: timeout.") reviewing or saving on OpenOffice. This is still a thing that should never, ever, happen. Is there any way to measure where the time is going? - David Gerard ( talk) 21:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I have just enabled VisualEditor and made my first edit ( [29]). I was updating a section further down the page but the editor made some bot-like formatting changes further up the page without me knowing. These were useful changes, but I didn't know it was doing them. Cloudbound ( talk) 22:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
On my small computer (1024X600), the save page and review changes boxes appear very small with not very legible text, making it almost impossible to write an edit summary and see wikitext changes, as if it is scaled to the computer's screen size. This appears to be a recent change, as it worked fine as recently as yesterday:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE- WPWA- MFIC 02:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to add Demolition (1978 film) to a dab page, with the film name formatted. I italicised the name, then made the link. VE made two separate links: ''[[Demolition (1978 film)|Demolition]]''[[Demolition (1978 film)| (1978 film)]]. Not what I intended. Pam D 08:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Pam D 13:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I decided to experiment with VE in my sandbox ... and {{ User sandbox}} which starts off "This is the user sandbox of PamD..." is displaying in non-roman characters (Japanese?) and has the name "Ichiro Kikuchi". Disconcerting. Pam D 13:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey all. We're looking to start the A/B test in a couple of hours. My sincere apologies for the short notice :/. If you notice any new bugs, or any substantial problems, please bring them to us as soon as possible so we can resolve them; we'll be monitoring the situation closely and will be able (and willing!) to disable it or put the test off if there's something big that needs resolving. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 15:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
visualeditor
into the "Tag filter" box. —
This, that and
the other (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, on my user sandbox page, I'm trying to edit a citation so it links to http://example.com, but VisualEditor doesn't detect the edit, as I can't click the 'Save page' button. Thanks for any help. Insulam Simia ( talk/ contribs) 17:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
This test just now is a repeat of one I reported earlier, where copying a block of content "de-headered" the top header and added a supurious ==<nowiki/>== at the bottom. What I did not notice then was that in the third line, where the word "both" had five apostrophe characters each side to make it bold and italic, VE has stripped off three of them after the word. The effect is that the following words "at once" appear in bold. What is odd is that after doing the copy-paste, "at once" does not appear in bold; that only happens after the page is saved.
I then tried to make a simpler demonstration to show this effect, but here where I copied and pasted a single demonstration sentence within the same page to show the effect, I didn't get it; instead, all the formatting was lost.
All I can say is, VE's handling of formatting when copying and pasting is unpredictable. JohnCD ( talk) 19:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Edited Graphene. Selected and cut section headed Transistors. Page crashed. Tried to reproduce on Firefox nightly. No crash. Lfstevens ( talk) 19:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
If, when editing a page with a large template like {{ prod}} or {{ db-person}}, you click on the template, it is covered by a blue highlight, but so also is a separate broad, shallow rectangle at top left of the page. I found this disconcerting when I began experimenting with templates, though it doesn't seem to do any harm. It does not happen with a smaller template like {{ notability}}. JohnCD ( talk) 19:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I know it was mentioned before but I don't know if it's the same bug (or bug at all) since the other user was saying that it was happening while using Italics or Bold format.
When I am writing an article and I want to add a name-link, I click CTRL+K so that the link box appear. When it appears, I type the name there, I am choosing it from the list and click enter. But when I click enter, the name appears twice on the article.
This doesn't happen when I type the name regularly, highlight it and then CTRL+K to make it a link. TeamGale ( talk) 20:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
This "problem" is solved! :)) Thanks everyone for all the work you are doing. We really appreciate it. TeamGale ( talk) 18:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Two attempts to edit this page produced: "Error loading data from server: parsoidserver-http-bad-status: 404. Would you like to retry?" JohnCD ( talk) 22:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
When I've been using VE, I've been saving my changes and then reviewing the page history to see exactly how VE updated the code. From now on, I'll be clicking the "Review your changes" button, so I can see exactly what VE will be changing before choosing to click "Save page". GoingBatty ( talk) 23:34, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. This edit didn't go too well. I only intended to do this, but it resulted in this, with the whole first paragraph appearing in bold text. Regards, Mathonius ( talk) 00:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Something similar happened to me here SPat talk 04:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Making this edit, it did something really odd (I can't figure out what) which made almost all of the links in the navbox pop out of the table and above the header. Also, the header text disappeared. Very strange...:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 02:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When trying to make "Convair 440s" point to Convair 440, it added the wikitext [[Convair 440|<nowiki/>]][[Convair 440s|Convair 440]][[Convair 440s|s]]. Boy, Visual Editor HATES plural links:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 02:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
As I was editing History of Delta Air Lines, I noticed that when there are multiple images in a row at the start of a section, such as the sections "1960s and 1970s" and "Merger with Northwest Airlines", they show up at the top, not their actual positions, and they are not editable, with diagonal green stripes covering them. All the other images are normal:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 02:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Could we please add a countdown to the current
watchlist notice that says something like "The default editor will switch to the Visual Editor in ___ days"
so that people will know when it's going to happen? or tentatively scheduled to happen Thanks.
64.40.54.119 (
talk) 03:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
In the article History of Delta Air Lines, every time I edit it [30] [31] [32] it adds a | to the end of the link:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 04:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice to be able to remove bold or italics with the same button used to add them, like in many programs, for example Microsoft Word:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 04:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Probably related to some of the problems mentioned above, but here I wanted to change [[Portsoy]] to [[Grange]]. Changing the link target is easy, it's not so changing the displayed text. Edgepedia ( talk) 11:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh, another complaint I like to file is that I can't highlight and drag text to another location in the article, meaning I have to cut and paste it. This is annoying since I prefer using the first method. Insulam Simia ( talk/ contribs) 15:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried the visual editor because I want to be helpful, but I could figure out how to add a {{cn}} tag, so I went back to the editor I've been using since 2006. Leadwind ( talk) 17:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
All of these are this edit for reference.
1= = content
, instead of 1=content
.Sorry if these have been known already, just reporting my experiences. Charmlet ( talk) 20:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
One more - Heading 6 produces (if my eyes don't fail me) the same as bold in appearance, so new editors may feel it's okay to just use bold. Maybe a distinguishing feature could be added in VE to make it obvious it does more than just bold? Charmlet ( talk) 20:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When I made this edit
[34], it turned {{Chicago Blackhawks roster}}
into {{Chicago Blackhawks rost
, even though I wasn't editing anywhere near that section.
Hue
Sat
Lum 22:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When I click on a picture, the vertical rectangle with the picture icon appears, but it is not clickable. Instead of the mouse acting like it is a link (showing a hand icon), the mouse icon just wants to move the image (showing as 4 arrows). (Firefox 21, Windows 7):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 00:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
I tried to edit Liste des plus gros succès du box-office en France on frwiki, and found a few problems :
-- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 02:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be very nice if the linking dialog would prevent you from linking to an disambiguation page or at least give you an idication that you are about to do so and you normally should choose a better target.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 11:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
In de:wikipedia there is also this gadget which highlights them [35] I think based on the index. So the tech is already there but I don't know how expensiv does not seem to slow things down to much even with the sites in the fixing project like this [36] which consist mostly of disambiguation links.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Sounds a really useful suggestion - though not "prevent" but "warn strongly against and need a conscious decision to proceed with" or similar: people editing dab pages or hatnotes need to be able to link to dab pages deliberately sometimes. Pam D 15:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I can see categories when I read an article. I can see them below the editing paraphernalia when I'm in Edit Source. But in VE I can only see them by clicking "Page Settings", which (a) takes a click and (b) means I can't see any of the article content (eg the hard-to-remember-the-spelling district name, the birth date, etc which I might want to use in creating categories, having seen that they aren't already there). Please display the categories in or around the article, not just as "Page settings". Pam D 13:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I made comments a week ago about Functional Specifications and testing schedules which have now scrolled off this page- and a lot of hard work has been done since on exception debugging. I am still not willing to opt into this software while it is so flakey and producing so many fatal side effects. Obviously it is a brilliant aspiration and obviously a lot of us are going to have to spend a lot of time cleaning up pages where it has been used. If I am working with newbies- the principle function I need is {{ sfn}} {{ efn}} and associated referencing tools. As this software can't do that- can I suggest an easy damage limitation measure.
Thatotherperson
talk
Thatotherperson
contribs 05:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Working on R. G. Allen:
Will continue...
Will try another stub, Mario Gutierez ...
Try again: Eugene Lies, very similar stub to R G Allen above:
{{subst:L|missing|missing|Lies, Eugene}} " I've set up the birth and death date categories and the defaultsort. I want to be able to do so in VE with as little effort, please! (Usually there'd be years in there instead of "missing": I do this sort of fix again and again while stub-sorting, as a quick way to add three enhancements to any biog article which lacks them - and to add Category:Living people if the death date is empty.)
Will try once more to identify the stage at which Page Settings jams: Charles H. Johnson
I hope this is useful (and apologies if it's all old bugs already in Bugzilla) - will leave in all the above stream-of-consciousness stuff as it shows various aspects of the VE which, to my mind, still need fixing. Good luck with it all - a few aspects are really nice, but a whole lot aren't (yet). Pam D 14:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
The wikilink for "Seistani" in the first line of Gondophares was muddled before, but this attempt to fix it using VE made things worse, because it resulted in "nowiki" tags being placed around the whole phrase, so that subsequent attempts to sort the link out got nowhere. I think adding "nowiki" tags round VE attempts at Wikimarkup probably does more harm than good. JohnCD ( talk) 21:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
So I tried adding a referenced sentence to an article. The edit worked perfectly, so that's good. The interface to enter the parameters was just terrible. Click to add a parameter, click to enter parameter name ... click again to enter a value. How do I add another one? Oh, I click back to the template name. Click to add a parameter, click to ... whoops, put the value in first, that's wrong ... etc. Repeat for each parameter. It was like a command-line enthusiast's parody of GUI interfaces.
Surely a less terrible interface for entering parameter-value pairs is possible? What others were considered? Is this written up anywhere? - David Gerard ( talk) 22:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Earlier, it said, for example, "Heading 1". Now it says "<visualeditor-formatdropdown-format-mw-heading1>". (Note:this is only with the headings, "paragraph" and "preformatted" still work):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 00:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It would seem that the section editing links have been changed again. However, this change isn't really working right. When I mouse over the [edit] link by a section heading, it changes to be 2 links-probably intended. Unfortunately, these are "edit" (pointing to what is otherwise "edit source", so vague) and "<visualeditor-ca-editsource-section>" (clearly not what was intended):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 00:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Perkūnas was flagged in category:Missing redirects. Looking at the edit history, the last editor replaced the good hatnote
which is incorrect because Perkele doesn't redirect to the article, there is another article with that title. So I use VE to "remove" that parameter, and it does not remove it, rather it replaces it with a null first parameter.
Oh, I see. I need to:
Hmmm confusing, the Save button wouldn't work, though it didn't seem to be greyed out. But the "Restore" button did work. So now we're making some artificial distinction between save and restore? BTW, along the way I ran into this error:
Of course, retrying rarely helps with such messages. Wbm1058 ( talk) 02:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I see that to add an "unnamed" first parameter, you have to name it "1". I'll bet a lot of editors haven't figured out that unnamed parameters really do have names ;) Wbm1058 ( talk) 02:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I've made a proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Change the "Edit" tab to "Edit source" in all namespaces. and at MediaWiki talk:Edit#2013 update - change to "Edit source", that admins/devs here might be able to help with, or give input on. Thanks. – Quiddity ( talk) 05:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
If I edit even a short article like Edson Leal Pujol but happen to be looking at the bottom of the article when I hit "Save page", the box for the edit summary is largely hidden under the top bar with the editing buttons on it. I have to scroll all the way to the top of the article for the dialogue box to be usable. I can't click and drag it into a more useful place. This is irritating. (Using Firefox on a laptop, if that's relevant).
And within that box, the "upwards arrow" is a bit cryptic for "How do I get out of this without saving the page?" (eg if on looking at the changes made I want to change them... though it's usually easier to just save the page and then sort out the damage in Edit Source!) Could we have "Return to editing" perhaps?
The idea that half of new editors are being thrown into VE is somewhat scary, it's still got so many unresolved quirks. It will be fascinating to see the results, whether this has a higher or lower retention rate. Good luck! Pam D 13:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Trying to edit the microbe article's see also section in VE, but the list appears condensed to the point of being unreadable. Also, the bar at the top with bold, italics, etc, is transparent. The See Also bulleted list is enclosed with {{Div col|cols=3}}{{Div col end}}. I am using FireFox 21.0, Mac OS X 10.6.8. AioftheStorm ( talk) 00:06, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Just turned on VE to create a redirect LeeStock. So I figured out how to use the button to create LeeStock without it getting no-wiki'd -- but can't figure out how to stop no-wiki on the #REDIRECT. Not that I've ever seen the text string #REDIRECT as part of a normal English article. Don't want to "cheat" by going to the "edit source" tab. Wbm1058 ( talk) 00:20, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, fine, I cheated ;) Now I want to do a null edit on LeeStock Music Festival to remove it from Category:Missing redirects. I figured it out with some effort. At first the "Save page" button is "greyed out" (or whatever the technical term for that is) so I can't click it. So I type a character, then backspace, to "trick it" into enabling the button. I click "Review Your changes" and it thinks about it for a while, then comes back with "Could not start the review because your revision matches the latest version of this page." OK, let's skip the "review" and just Save it. Thinks awhile, then comes back with "Your changes to LeeStock Music Festival have been saved." Voila. It's gone form the category :) Wbm1058 ( talk) 01:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
If an image or template is partially covered by the header bar, the blue box goes over the header and you can not click the buttons under/over it:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 03:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
After this edit, I tried to do the same using the VisualEditor.
Thanks, getting a lot better. Edgepedia ( talk) 06:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Once I thought perhaps I'd done something wrong, but second time I'm sure it's VE: it's adding a ":" before the Categories I'm adding, to make them into links to the category rather than real categories. I think I've successfully added categories before... but perhaps I haven't! Pam D 08:49, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that if I make a word into link and then italiced it, then I get something like [Defiance (TV series)|"Defiance"] for a link. When I italice the word and then make it a link, I get "[Defiance (TV series)|Defiance]". P.S. I used only one pair of [] here, so it won't turn into a link.
The final result is the same but, it just looked weird the first time I saw it on "Preview". You can see what I mean
here The first is italiced after linked and the second before.
TeamGale (
talk) 09:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Mitochondrial DNA is a completely normal article that under the visual editor turns weird— see.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 14:40, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed a round-tripping error with italics and subscripts here. What was once
becomes
— Carl ( CBM · talk) 15:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't work well on mobile devices. -- evrik ( talk) 17:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this, but I just experimented with the VE in my sandbox; here are some of my thoughts (NB: Copied from User talk:NYKevin/Sandbox; experiment was on the corresponding subject page):
{{cite foo}}
templates, which typically have a whole bunch of parameters.
<nowiki>
tags. These tags were visible in the transclusion UI upon editing again, making me concerned that saving may not be
idempotent in this case. Even if it is, the template only looked right in the editor, not on the live page.<references />
), and that doesn't work.<noinclude></noinclude>
, which puzzles me as there seems to be no purpose for it. The only explanation I can think of is leftovers from the previous version, since I didn't manually blank the page before experimenting (instead, I used VE to erase everything, then directly began editing). Certainly VE has no business playing with noinclude, since it probably won't be active in the Template namespace for quite some time, if ever.#foo
instead of # foo
; the former looks sloppy to my eye.If this is too sloppily organized, or too verbose, or the wrong format entirely, sorry about that. -- N Y Kevin 18:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I am sure it has been thought of, but I couldn't find any mention of it in the roadmaps or in bugzilla: can the cite book/news/website/journal templates be integrated with the reference functionality? And please together with the autofill functionality for isbns/pmids/dois. That would make life/referencing so much easier. -- WS ( talk) 19:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
A non-breaking space was lost here. Edgepedia ( talk) 20:49, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I added {{ italic title}} to Pompidou (TV series), and it had no visible effect - I checked to see that I'd added the template OK and yes, it showed up in "See your changes", but was still displaying vertical. I saved the page, still vertical. I clicked on "Edit source", and it went into italics. Cancelled the edit, and it's still nicely in italics. Opened it in VE again, and it still shows in italics.
But I've have expected the title to display in italics in VE the moment I'd applied that template. And most certainly to do so after I saved the page.
Tried again: Donald's Double Trouble:
{{
italic title}}
in VE - no change to displayed titlePam D 22:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Having finally (see above) found out how to add what would have been {{subst:L|1985||Kurak, Adam}} to Adam Kurak, laboriously, click by click, I then Saved the page... and the categories weren't shown. When I reopened the page in another tab, Category: 1985 births and Category:Living people were both listed properly. This feels a bit similar to the italic title problem I found earlier - VE making changes but not displaying them after "Save page". I've had the same effect trying subst:L on my sandbox, so it's reproducible. Pam D 23:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit source by section is great. But I think it's knocked out the Hot Cat functionality on my last 2 category edits-- the little plus signs weren't there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djembayz ( talk • contribs)
I've come across an issue where highlighting and deleting text doesn't remove the text and causes the cursor to jump and delete part of a non-highlighted word. It works after three or four tries. Also, I can't highlight and delete text in the edit summary.
Teammm
talk
email 01:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Will there be the dropdown choice of recently used edit summaries which we get at present? For WikiGnomes, who do the same sort of edit repeatedly, it's really useful - can include links to project pages or WP policies, etc; my most regular one being "Stub-sorting ( you can help!)", which I wouldn't want to have to type from fresh, or copy-and-paste from a clipboard, every time. If we've lost this, then that's sad.
Is the intention that "serious" editors will have to graduate to "Edit source", or is VE intended to become the system of choice for us all? There seems a lot missing at present. Pam D 16:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I am a new editor (being here for less than 2 weeks) and I have to say that I spent many hours these past days trying to learn the code system by searching in the help pages or by copying and observing things in already existant pages. Have to say that it was not easy and sure I still don't know how to do many things. I just started getting used of that code system when today I found out about VE. I don't know if it was there and I just didn't see it or it was a released today to everyone or some new editors or something. I tried it and my first impression is really good. Took me a while to get used of it but it sure will take less time for someone totally new to understand how to write or edit. I just wanted to add some things I noticed or some ideas that might help (or not, just thoughts) VE to get better.
Those I remember for now...sorry for the long post. TeamGale ( talk) 20:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki></nowiki>
tags.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:11, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
After my first edit, I'm rather impressed with the VisualEditor, but only up to a point. As an editor who's well accustomed to using MediaWiki markup, I find it tedious to have to use the toolbar to link, create headings, and bold/italicize text. I tried to add a link on the page I edited with the VisualEditor, but it added nowiki tags around the lines that I edited. I'd suggest that VisualEditor be able to turn these markups into links/formatting as editors type, as this will probably help editors who are used to just typing in the markup language (like me) to adjust to the new editor interface.
That's my main issue with the VisualEditor. Of course, I haven't toyed around with it quite enough to give more feedback. One random thing I'd like to point out: the good article icons become part of the editable text and can be deleted, so that should be fixed to ensure no accidental deletions of icons ever occurs. Also, the speed at which VisualEditor operates is not ideal, as I'm sure other users have pointed out already.
For now, and likely if/when VisualEditor becomes the default editing mode, I'll be sticking with the "old" means of editing. I'll be testing it out every now and then, however, and I'd appreciate that my suggestions be considered and incorporated into the updates. Thanks, and happy editing! Prayerfortheworld ( talk) 07:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
So, I put the Visual Editor to the Chloroplast test, and I'm happy to say that it's very close to passing.(Templates and references, yay!) Some problems remain, though:
1 Section editing. Please. The Visual Editor can be quite slow (but not unbearable).
2 Links can be frustrating. Please make it so I can type "[[" as a keyboard shortcut instead of having to grab the mouse and find the o-o button at the top of the editing window. Also, when I'm done with the link text, hitting Enter doesn't work, I have to click outside the link dialog to close it. That's not intuitive. Also, after closing the link dialog, it takes two clicks to move the cursor. One closes the dialog, the second moves the cursor to a new location. Also, if there is only one possible link target, just skip the dialog and link it (red or blue, though I think this has been reported already).
3 Z-index problems remain. For some reason the editing toolbar doesn't float above stuff in the editing window. Often a template will obstruct the editing toolbar, even though it's visually behind the toolbar.
4 Too many cryptic icons. Look, I am all for visual icons, but can you include a text label because the icons can be quite ambiguous and unclear. For example the references icon looks like a city skyline and the Reflist icon looks like it should be the references icon. Take a lead from some applications like Blender, which uses icons along with text on its buttons. Like
5 References. Any way to get the cite tools integrated? Or at least have a blank template syntax to fill in? I don't feel like typing <ref>{{cite journal|doi=|title= etc... especially cause I'm going to forget or misname some parameter like the date or coauthors. Also, any reason why I would need to insert an image into a reference? Also using named references is not working—it should give a dropdown list of available references, or better, just let us copy and paste the [1]s.
6 Templates. When you insert a template, could it give you a list of all the available parameters for that template? That would be a huge improvement over the text editor.
7 Images. Nonthumb images should not have their alt text displayed like a caption underneath. This messes up page rendering. Just make it behave like a template, and use a dialog to edit the alt text.
8 Visual Editor is not a bot or AWB. It should not be going around turning ></ref>s into />s or adding ""s. And it's still wiping out hidden comments. See diff: 1.
9 Take a look at that same diff: 1, and go down to where I added to the section on the TIC translocon (under ==Chloroplast DNA== ===Protein targeting and import===). See what your visual editor did...
—Love, Kelvinsong ( talk) 15:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
When adding links with a plural appearance, normally one would type, for example, [[example]]s, while Visual Editor puts in [[example|examples]]. See, for example, [37] (in which Visual Editor also made random formatting changes... oh well):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 01:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
e.g. This leaves an "[edit]" link hanging in space in the saved article (which you can't see in that diff), and an empty TOC entry (which you can) - David Gerard ( talk) 11:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, as you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Linux_user_group&diff=561508698&oldid=556380560
1) We don't want <ref name="xyz"/> to become <ref name="xyz"></ref>
2) CookiesOK adds text at the bottom, please make a kind of workaround (see https://addons.mozilla.org/af/firefox/addon/cookiesok/ , version rev57) Smile4ever ( talk) 12:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
All of them render rather oddly; the infobox renders partially on top of the prose in the beginning, the lock is sticking on the left side, and the map's labels are just in a list, not actually on the map itself at all. See this. Dashie ( talk) 16:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When I attempted to change multiple heading's levels in a row, sometimes it would keep the formatting (I would highlight the second and it would change it to be like the first) and sometimes it wouldn't (I would highlight the second and nothing happened):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 03:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
1 Whitespace issues—nonthumb images add extra lines for some reason, and after references, the space breaks, example:
2 Accidental deletion Sometimes, the Visual editor deletes stuff when the cursor isn't right in front of it.
This also happens with images (see 1, when trying to delete extra lines).
3 More accidental deletion Visual editor loves displacing invisible templates like {{ clear}}. At least it's leaving page comments alone.
4 Links How do I click through to a linked page to make sure it's the right page to link to??? The middle click does nothing except duplicate the link text, leaving something like α-helicesα-helices. This is frustrating as —.
5 Strange fragmented links Sometimes when making links with italics and stuff, the link will fragment, for example translo case. The underline also fails to extend under the first letter.
Wikimarkup the VisEd left:
6 Excessive link piping Why [[In vitro|''in vitro'']] instead of ''[[in vitro]]''?
7 References Reusing references is too hard. There are too many dialogs to click through. I miss copy and paste in the text editor. On the other hand, it's great that cite templates are working now. Now if only I could remember the names of all those parameters...
8 VisualEditor why you no leave name=parameter alone?
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See the diff that inspired these additional reports: 1
V Backspacing here causes (1)
| Chloroplasts /ˈklɔːrəplæsts/ are organelles found in plant cells and some other eukaryotic organisms. As well as conducting photosynthesis, they carry out almost all fatty acid synthesis in plants, and are involved in a plant's immune response. A chloroplast is a type of plastid which specializes in photosynthesis. During photosynthesis, chloroplasts capture the sun's light energy, and store it in the energy storage molecules ATP and NADPH while freeing oxygen from water. They then use the ATP and NADPH to make organic molecules from carbon dioxide in a process known as the Calvin cycle. [1]
The word chloroplast (χλωροπλάστης) is derived from the Greek words chloros (χλωρός), which means green, and plastes (πλάστης), which means "the one who forms". [2]
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The word chloroplast (χλωροπλάστης) is derived from the Greek words chloros (χλωρός), which means green, and plastes (πλάστης), which means "the one who forms". [2]
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The word chloroplast (χλωροπλάστης) is derived from the Greek words chloros (χλωρός), which means green, and plastes (πλάστης), which means "the one who forms". [2]
—Love, Kelvinsong talk 14:25, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Philippe has informed me that for Monobook users, VE is busted today. Fix hopefully coming by this afternoon. PEarley (WMF) ( talk) 18:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying not to report the same bug more than once. However, if someone could post a summary of the bug fixes as they are implemented, we can test them and provide more feedback if needed. Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 03:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
HTML tags won't work on VisualEditor. Is there any way to fix this problem? Epicgenius( talk to me • see my contributions) 15:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Do you mean they don't work as in the rendering they include isn't displayed by the VE, or they don't work as in 'typing them in in the VE does nothing'? Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 15:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Now Piece-rate list.
I switched on VE and kept a parallel log in gedit of the experience. It was an interesting way to spend a morning. I am on a Thinkpad T410 under Mint 14 Linux using Firefox 1.0 18.0.1 for Linux. I have added line numbers for clarity- but rendering her is patchy
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Supporting screen dumps in Category:Screendumps from WMF Visual Editor
So at this point I am printing out the text and editing on paper and posting this report. There are 12 issues to be investigated- all discovered in doing a standard edit. On the sfn/efn issue I think there is a basic misunderstanding of their use. I use them as a speedy way to manage my references which are 60%+ of the work in an article- the jigsaw facility is a generic way to implement a template (software orientated and not article orientated). I will have a go later at one of my List of mills articles, that heavily uses templates and referencing to achieve a specific aim. Does this qualify for a Barnstar? -- Clem Rutter ( talk) 17:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be helpful if I could use VE from a relatively old version of FireFox. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 18:42, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I see no "Edit section" links on this page for sections 88 "Table/Template" to 117 "Subst and template date" inclusive. Has the page got too long? (Win7, FF21.0) JohnCD ( talk) 20:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't seem to have an "edit" link beside the section above, so continuing here.
I think I confused issues by raising too many questions at once, so:
OK, now a simple request: please provide an "add another parameter" button, alongside the box for input of parameter content. It's just completely un-intuitive to have to click on the template name. I'm impressessed that TeamGale managed to find it, but I wonder how many other editors will do so. Pam D 07:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
If I wish to add something to the end of this test page, in "Edit source" mode I can place the cursor below the last line; but in VE I can't. It has to be put at the end of the last line, and then if I press "return" to get to the line below, VE starts to add a further bullet point. Experiment finds that pressing "return" a second time gets rid of the bullet, but this seems complicated and unnatural.
You get the same effect (can only put cursor at end of last line, not below it) with simple text, where it is less serious because you don't run into the bullet-point effect; but it still seems unnatural not to be able to place the cursor below the last line. JohnCD ( talk) 22:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I added a hatnote. As VE displayed it, the hatnote was on the same line as the following text. I might have spent ages trying to fix it, but recorded it in the edit summary, saved the page, expecting to report it here as a bug. Once I'd saved the page, it displayed correctly. But if this is a Visual Editor, it should be displaying the page properly, immediately a change is made. This is similar to my earlier comments on Italic titles: if VE doesn't display the result of a change, or displays it looking wrong, editors are going to assume that their edit didn't work and struggle to "fix" it. Pam D 08:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
If you edit an article, save, then go to a different page and press the back button, you will be served with the cached version of the article from before your edits were made (happens this way in Chrome, don't know about other browsers). Either the edited version should be cached, or a refresh should be enforced upon viewing the article again. -- WS ( talk) 09:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Tables and column templates are incredibly complex to navigate Jonjonjohny ( talk) 09:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice if you could edit image caption text just like any other text. Having to go into the template dialog adds an unnecessary extra step and is harder to discover. -- WS ( talk) 11:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Vimperator is a Firefox plugin that makes Firefox more like Vim. I use it for reasons of accessibility: it allows me to use Firefox with more keyboard controls and less recourse to mouse/trackpad.
I tried VE out and it actually works fine... but for one thing. In the 'save' panel, I can enter characters but I can't delete characters in the edit summary. Backspace just doesn't work. The only way I found I could remove text was to highlight it with my mouse and use Cmd+X to cut it. This is fairly niche and I can perfectly understand that making sure the visual editor works with a fairly unorthodox browser plugin might not be very high on the to-do list. And in all honesty, I'll probably not use the visual editor as for keyboard-preferring users like me, it is likely to be slower than editing the markup directly. But I thought I'd report it anyway just in case. — Tom Morris ( talk) 14:07, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Editing Aranath you can see <th... some text which is not in the source. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
A 3-ref article shows 24 in edit mode. Some are new, some are repeated. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
This ref desk question raised an interesting problem. The editor cut operation from a source, also brought with it a hidden link. I am somewhat concerned that the hidden link could also be added using the Visual Editor, but not actually noticed by the editor at all. Is this a valid concern? Astronaut ( talk) 15:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Image size, caption, thumb/upright/frame can not be specified/edited. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
There are a couple of issues viewing the London Underground article, and I've isolated a couple of these at User:Edgepedia/VE/footnotes
Edgepedia ( talk) 17:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I see that Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V are now working - good! I had some instances yesterday of losing formatting when copying within a page, but I could not reproduce them consistently, and not at all today, so it must have been a transient glitch.
However, copying from one page and pasting in another still consistently loses all formatting: I just copied everything above "Second L2 header" from this test page and pasted to another page producing this. JohnCD ( talk) 17:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
When editing the above article, the a,b,c in front of references that are used multiple times change in 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 etc. -- WS ( talk) 18:37, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I really appreciate Wikipedia and I want to be part of this big source of information web-site. Regards Onea Mihai Alin Onea Mihai Alin 18:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brumson ( talk • contribs)
I hate to continue to be a fly in the ointment here and I am pleased to see that so much work has been done to fixing VE and I think its coming together wonderfully, but I still think there is too much more to do for a 1 July release. With something just under 200 bugs and counting, some of them quite significant and still not having the ability to add citations, I really think we need to continue development before release. Its certainly not a good idea to release it to the general public yet. Keep up the great work guys. Kumioko ( talk) 19:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I was trying to edit the review table at the article All 6's and 7's, but I can only edit the track listing template, as the blue thing that denotes I'm hovering over a template obscures the review box and makes it impossible to edit.
And could you also remove the character limit for the subject section on the VE feedback box? It means I can't fully type the section heading I wanted on here. Insulam Simia ( talk/ contribs) 20:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to save the following templatedata to Template:Foreign relations of Australia, but it said there was a JSON error. Can someone please complete this for me? <templatedata> { "description": "A template showing a box with lists of articles about the foreign relations of Australia", "params": { "state": { "label": "Collapsed status", "description": "Whether or not the template is collapsed into one line Allowed values collapsed expanded or autocollapse Auto collapse only collapses if there are more than one of this same template on the page unusual", "type": "string", "required": false } } </templatedata> Thanks -- 99of9 ( talk) 22:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
When I edit arc diagram (OS X, Chrome, monobook + a larger font-size in custom css) the top and bottom lines of the "Notes" section, which contains only {{reflist|colwidth=30em}}, are cut off. It appears that the ten lines of notes are split into 3 columns as 3.5 lines for the first column, 3.5 lines for the second column, and 3 lines for the third column, instead of the more obvious 4-3-3 split. The same bad columnization also occurs in the references section of the article, which uses a {{refbegin}}/{{refend}} pair. See the screenshot here. (The already-reported issue with bad numbering of footnote uses as 1.1, 1.2 instead of a, b is also present.) — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations on addressing one of the problems people face when editing Wikipedia. What is being done to address the other serious problem of hostility on Wikipedia? -- Rskp ( talk) 03:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Is VisualEditor the reason why Edit links are blocked via JavaScript from opening in a new tab? This has been the case for the past few weeks, only on the English Wikipedia, only for Edit links (e.g. not History links), and of course only when JavaScript is enabled.
If this bug has been introduced by the VisualEditor changes, it should be fixed for editors not using VisualEditor. -- pmj ( talk) 23:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I create a whole new article with VE, when I click on the "preview your changes" I get a very weird page that it's not easy to go through it. I know it's not possible to have a comparing page with the previous one since it doesn't exist but that kind of page makes it difficult for me to check the article. I don't know how to describe the page and I don't know if that's how it was supposed to look. Just try to copy an existing article and paste it to a totally new page (no need to save it) just to see what I mean. Thanks TeamGale ( talk) 13:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if I am bothering but, any news on that subject? Thanks again for everything TeamGale ( talk) 08:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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Is there any way to add dashes (— –) using VisualEditor? Thanks. Epicgenius( talk to me • see my contributions) 15:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
If someone wants to edit an infobox that is included in another one, is there a way to do it?
Plus, while making a template with parameters or editing one that already exists, when I want to add a wiki link in the description of one parameter, I have to use the brackets to do it. Any chance in the future to be able to do it in the template the way VE does it on the main article? Thank you
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You and all the people who work on VE, are trying to bring us something more helpful and easier to work with. Reporting something that we see and it might need improve is the least we can do to help. Especially when you are so patient and polite with all of us. :) TeamGale ( talk) 10:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I've started to read the documentation about adding Template Data. One question: will it work for subst'd templates? Or will typing "Subst:L" in the template name box ignore any information about the parameters?
Have I got this right, that it is impossible at present to add more than one parameter to a template if it doesn't have this "Template Data" info? And we're rolling this out as the default editor within days? Not good. Pam D 16:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, thought I would take a break from my usual list based Visual Editor complaints and just say that the little animations on the [ | edit source ] are really good from a motion design standpoint. It's very hard to subtly introduce new buttons/text in a non jarring way. This is one of the few examples of good design I've seen on wikimedia projects (no offense!). Nice work.
By the way, how were those implemented? Are the CSS animations accessible to content editors?—Love, Kelvinsong talk 23:14, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I've been testing VE and it's working pretty well. I appreciate that you still left the source code for those who wish to use it.
Here are a few difficulties I've found with it in the short while I spent trying it.
1) Templates are seemingly impossible to move around the page. Perhaps it's just my browser (Chrome), but I'd appreciate it if templates could be either copy-pasted or dragged around.
2) I'd like a way to edit parameter and template names after they're created. If I incorrectly capitalize a parameter name, I currently have to delete it and reenter it. Same with template names.
3) The Source editor has some useful features that are not as easily accessible in the VE; namely, special characters and certain highly used templates.
I also am worried that VE will be impossible to implement in the Wikipedia name space due to the complexity of many pages there that only the Source Editor can create. If this is the case, casual users could more easily add content, but would still have to learn a lot about Wiki markup if they want to access many of the Wikipedia namespace pages, especially noticeboards. Marechal Ney ( talk) 00:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Top icons, as used to identify e.g. good or protected articles, are shown within the text at the location where their template is instead of at their normal location at top of the article. This is confusing and makes it very easy to erroneously delete them. -- WS ( talk) 11:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It's nice to use Visual Editor to make quick corrections, but when there are more structural changes, using Visual Editor may quickly become troublesome and unpredictable. In this case, it will be nice to switch to source edit without having to save the visual edits as a revision first. It will be even more awesome if you can switch back and forth between the two - edit the source, preview the result in the WYSIWYG editor. ADTC Talk Ctrb 17:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Trying when editing articles to think "Could I use VE for this?" I came on an article where the {{ AfD}} template had been removed and needed to be restored. The easiest way to get that right is to call up from the history a version with the template in place, and copy it from there to the current version. This doesn't seem possible in VE: after selecting the template so that it is highlighted, Ctrl-C doesn't copy it, and right-click doesn't offer a "Copy" option. JohnCD ( talk) 21:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The current default source editor of wikipedia has an elaborate system of dialogue boxes for adding references. It includes scripts to fetch details of reference from ID like ISBN/DOI/PUBMED ID etc. Hope this is included in future development of VisualEditor. ★Saurabh P. | ☎ talk 21:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The visual edit is looking pretty good and should be much simpler for editing when released as the default editor. I especially like how easy it is to link other pages, add media, and references. One suggestion would be to make editing the sidebar easier. I noticed that in order to edit the sidebar you must open up a special menu and use traditional link format. Perhaps this could be simplified? Paranini ( talk) 22:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
There is so much how to, and explanations of what everything is I can't even find a link to make a change even on a semi locked page..so here is my change to Zlatan Ibrahimović. The best soccer player in the world, and his number at Paris st. Germaine is 18 not 10..that is all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willyj89 ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I really loved my first use of VisualEditor editing a page Visual Editors on English Wikipedia. And it was a such a brilliant experience! I'm looking forward to the completion of this worry-free and handy tool. Keep up! Alnel Vincent Alico 23:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlneltheGreat ( talk • contribs)
I tried editing some road articles with the VisualEditor and here are the issues I found:
Overall though, the experience was a lot better and more functional than I thought it would be, with our complicated templates! -- Rs chen 7754 02:58, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm I missing something, or is there no warning message like MediaWiki:Protectedpagewarning and MediaWiki:Semiprotectedpagewarning that displays on the VisualEditor when editing a protected or semi-protected page? This is just as important as the page notices. The last thing we need is an admin inadvertently making a controversial edit to a fully protected page solely because there was no similar MediaWiki:Protectedpagewarning on the VisualEditor interface like on the regular editing form. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 04:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to see that you truly are making editing Wikipedia a lot easier for us who don't know Wiki codes and who have no time or interest of learning them. I've always wondered why making a minor editing in Wikipedia is so hard that I rather quit than make any changes even though I know what to edit. It just has been too complicated. I learnt to walk and talk 49 years ago, I learnt to write 45 years ago, and I learnt my first English words at age 6, that's 44 years ago but in 2010 or 2013 I couldn't make even a minor edit in Wikipedia because I'm not into codes. You have no idea how many times I have given up on editing, simply because it has been so difficult and takes too much time considering what I'm about to edit. This VisualEditor is so welcome to me. Maybe from now on I don't have to walk away from a page even if I see it needs some editing but instead of that I can do it without sweat, toil and frustration. I can't wait to try new VisualEditing. I believe it makes me more active for making minor editing. And later on I might take bigger editing jobs as well. Thank you for making my extra hobby a lot easier. AniaKallio ( talk) 07:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I remove an image from Anarkali. After submitting, changes were not immediately reflected. I refreshed manually, then were reflected. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I used VE to remove two redlinks from List of male kickboxers, but had to revert because it also made unwanted format changes all through the article, see diff. It is quite hard to make out from the diff just what it did - it seems to have added extra "pipe" characters in half a dozen places, and |}|}|}|}|}|} at the end. The effect, seen here, is that items are progressively more indented as you go down the list. JohnCD ( talk) 13:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Attempting to remove the space that is erroneously between the period and the following ref at the end of the penultimate sentence of the second paragraph at Michael Lowry (actor) fails--the editor visually appears to allow the change, but when the change is saved, no error is produced, nor is any change left in the article history. Reproduced in Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 15:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
This is a problem when trying to edit the introductory text of the entry on Leo Strauss. Kleinias ( talk) 16:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Is VE not to be available on iPad/Safari? JohnCD ( talk) 16:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
(all of those are in use in hewiki's "TemaplteParameterWizard")
peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) ( talk) 16:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
hi guys :) VisualEditor is amazing! thanks and keep up the great work! one suggestion: after adding links with the autocomplete field (love it!) the linked pages can not be opened by clicking on them (which makes sense to be able to edit the text), but if i right-click to follow them the URL is not what it should be i guess. so for example, instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_peel it is en.wikipedia.org/w/Banana%20peel, which results in a 404 error message. i wonder if the /w/ will be usable instead of /wiki/ ?
thanks again :) Mangostaniko ( talk) 20:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
VE dropped the "Preview", as a matter of course, but on the way to do that, it also dropped the "Show changes" option. This action is useful, and all the reasons why it's needed with the traditional editor, is just as valid when using the VE.
Not everyone uses "Show Changes", but some people do use it routinely. I can't think of a single good reason why this option should not exist in VE. Please find a way to integrate "View Changes" into VE. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) ( talk) 20:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I have been working on creating the TemplateData for Template:Loop/doc and keep getting a "Syntax error in JSON." I've tried a couple of scenarios, including having 2 optional parameters for the string, with and without the equal sign, + this simplified approach. Either way, I'm unable to get one to successfully save.
<templatedata> { "description": "The template is used to produce a simple loop of repeated strings.", "params": { "repeat": { "label": "Number", "description": "number of times to repeat", "type": "number", "required": true }, "string": { "label": "Alpha-numeric text", "description": "the string to be repeated", "type": "string", "required": true } } </templatedata>
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? (I'll watch this page). Thanks so much!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 20:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
<templatedata> { "description": "The template is used to produce a simple loop of repeated strings.", "params": { "repeat": { "label": "Number", "description": "number of times to repeat", "type": "number", "required": true }, "string": { "label": "Alpha-numeric text", "description": "the string to be repeated", "type": "string", "required": true } } } </templatedata>
Bug - nowiki tag appeared on page after edit SLBohrman ( talk) 21:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, its great and should allow many more people to contribute.
One worry I have is that it makes it difficult for new users to edit links, citations etc. To do these tasks, the editors will have to revert to 'editing source'. So to get effective contributions, editors need to use the skills of editing wiki markup, bypassing the simple editing process.. Making the editing simpler has in my view made the learning process harder as people still have to investigate how to edit the source. So the difficulty has been eased, but not removed.
TonyClarke ( talk) 22:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I have VE enabled in my preferences and its edit tab is visible normally when I view an article. It is not visible when I view a redirect using &redirect=no (e.g. this one) nor is it visible when I view an article's history. Any reason why not? — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:50, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
In reading the revised mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide, I just learned that the References icon is a black book with a white bookmark. Now I see that, but before I thought it looked like a W with a line above it. GoingBatty ( talk) 02:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
i don't seem to like the new layout i see how you may see it as "easy" but it's not. Locolocoalex ( talk) 04:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Have only received error messages regarding failure to edits using Chrome, Windows Seven. Qravenq ( talk) 06:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
When I try to add a new reference in a page which already has many, like this page, I can't find the "create new source" button. I think it's because the list is very long and it was "moved" up. Either a scroll apply is needed or better, "create new source" and "use an existing source" may always be visible and the scroll apply only to the list of the references. TeamGale ( talk) 09:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I did :). That...looks very, very wrong. What operating system? Windows 7, Windows XP... Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 18:10, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
After choosing "heading" or "sub-heading 1" etc for a line to apply, the cursor disappears and I have to click again in the text to make it appear and be able to write. Wouldn't it be easier after the apply the cursor to be at the point you left it before? TeamGale ( talk) 10:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Some templates should always be subst-ed, some should not. I'm not sure whether there any where it is optional? TemplateData should cover this: there should be a "subst" field with values always/optional/never, and some indication when the template is applied: "This template will be subst-ed"/"Click here to subst"/"This template will not be subst-ed". JohnCD ( talk) 12:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to subst a template with VisualEditor. I saved the page, but it didn't work. Pseudonymous Rex ( talk) 20:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
In editing Pli I added a hatnote and wanted to check that the piped link had worked: couldn't click on the piped link in the hatnote from within VE. In editing Ponticus I wanted to look at the reference, an online source, to see what it said and check the claim that something wasn't supported by the source: couldn't do so within VE. We need to be able to follow links like this while editing, please. Pam D 19:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
While saving getting the following error : "Error saving data to server: Failed request: error." 3dmatrix ( talk) 20:29, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I didn't notice any changes on Safari on my IPad 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam9812 ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I didn't notice any changes on Safari on my IPad 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam9812 ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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If this is not very hard to show it should be. It is a useful feature. Panpog1 ( talk) 00:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
When placing the cursor at the beginning of a subtitle (I mean the things like "Enter bug" above) and pressing the enter key, not only will a blank line appear (as should), but the cursor jumps one position to the right as well. This causes that subtitle to be fragmentated when entering a few times. Also deleting a blank line that's above such a subtitle will convert that subtitle to normal text.
I noticed this in my sandbox on the Dutch Wikipedia. I use Windows 7 and the latest version of chrome (no extensions). Amphicoelias ( talk) 20:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Reading the description of this feature was enough for me. It sounds like a complete mess. I don't even want to try it. Why was it even developed? Is somebody bored? WQUlrich ( talk) 21:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Another small thing I noticed is that you can't select somewhere in the text of the summary text you enter with the mouse cursor. You can use arrows to add something into what you have already entered, but it just seems odd that the mouse doesn't work too. Lesion ( talk) 00:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
In the pop-up that appears when editing a link, it doesn't make sense that the "close" button to dismiss the pop-up is at the top left and labelled with the "<" symbol.
The standard way to dismiss a dialog is with the "x" symbol at the top right. The standard way to accept a change is with a "Save" button at the bottom. Heck, this very "submit feedback" form where I'm typing this gets it right. Please fix this very basic interaction element and don't reinvent the wheel. Diego ( talk) 07:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried it on my sandbox and found it difficult to do the one thing that should be easiest: clicking on the editing tools. There was a template at the top of the editing area while I was working, and every time I moved my mouse up to the toolbar, I ended up with a grayed-out box saying "Sorry, this element can't be edited using VisualEditor" covering up all the editing tools. I had to constantly circle around the perimiter of the page with my mouse to avoid this. The grayed-out box is fine, but it needs to stay underneath the toolbar rather than automatically becoming the top layer when it appears. Feel free to edit my sandbox if you want to see what I'm talking about. – Thatotherperson ( talk/ contribs) 07:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Long articles like Duryodhana, Sati (practice) take considerable more time to load using Edit than Edit source-- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Save changes popup should be opaque. I mistakenly clicked on a para while saving and a greenish box overlaps the popup. Redtigerxyz Talk 14:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
would result in
and hence we cannot put non breakingspaces :( This is a problem for articles that should follow
WP:units (such as 15 km
)Thanks··· Vanischenu 「m/ Talk」 16:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Right away I miss the formerly available search and replace capabilities that have been so useful in the past. :) John Cline ( talk) 20:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
make it so you can switch back and forth between standerd editor and VisualEditor... ♠|RP|♠ 16:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlp17 ( talk • contribs)
Open Battle of Paris (1814) in the Visual editor: two images are placed side by side between the lead paragraph and the infobox, which is not where they belong. AxelBoldt ( talk) 19:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I need easy access to merge, stub-class etc templates through the in-line editor Cpt ricard ( talk) 01:22, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
In this edit, VisEd added a space and removed some three-quotes from line 133—totally not what I was doing up in line 4. Is this some sort of forced markup fixing? It seems that the bolding in Miniapolis' sig remained the same (i.e. VisEd only removed redundant formatting). Thanks, Ignatz mice• talk 04:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
This was supposed to be just a couple of very simple changes to the words and character formatting in a single sentence. First it was incredibly slow, and then it claimed that it timed out without doing anything, and then I found the 850Kb mess. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 02:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
My edit here simply attempted to change "P.A. Schilpp" to "[[P. A. Schilpp]]": the Visual Editor did this: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Downward_causation&diff=prev&oldid=558735268 This looks very similar to the above. -- The Anome ( talk) 10:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I can add a bare external link to an "External links" section - e.g. http://wikipedia.org - but I can't see a way to add a label - e.g. [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia]. Is this deliberate? It's annoying for any serious work - David Gerard ( talk) 10:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
AioftheStorm ( talk) 22:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Too many clicks to save. The review step is unnecessary and cumbersome. Dump the comment dialog in favor of a dropdown/typeaway in the control bar. Lfstevens ( talk) 19:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Type "a". Press number list button. [ENTER]. Type "a". [ENTER] Type "a". [ENTER]. [Cursor up]. [backspace]. "a" in "2." numbered line is removed but two blank lines appear under "2." and before "3." Firefox 21.0/Windows 7.-- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
For me, using Chrome, VE is slow and not that useful (sorry). OK, so anytime I want to edit something inside a transcluded template, image, table, columns, etc, I need to ignore VE and go to the source. The VE toolbar seems lacks most of the options that could be enabled via preferences in the old editing window. If you are scrolled half way through a template, and you move the cursor to the toolbar via the area of the template, the toolbar is grayed out along with the template. To use the toolbar, you have to move the cursor to it avoiding the area of the template. Is this just chrome? What browser would be best to use so the loading time is minimal and it runs smoothly?
I support the idea that users, especially new users, should not have to learn basic wikimarkup code, but I foresee a frustrating time ahead for me getting used to this thing. Lesion ( talk) 11:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I have only just this minute turned VisEd on, but here are my first impressions. The basics are very good; selection, bold, italic etc are all intuitive and do what I expect.
There does not seem to be any way to generate small text. I was expecting Ctrl-S to do something - either small text or strikethrough.
The suggested links are too small to read
It takes too many clicks to get in and out of editing mode. The confirmation stage is going to be useful at first, but once experienced editors are used to the tool and are confident what the editor is going to do the extra click is just going to be annoying. In fact, I can foresee that I would want to stay permanently in edit mode on many sessions and not have to click "edit page" at all as I go from page to page. This would be the case for instance, when working through my watchlist or dealing with a disruptive editor. Spinning Spark 21:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
It should be opaque. When image is right top. The dropdown options go behind the image while editing Redtigerxyz Talk 14:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
After selecting 1 hyperlink, please close the hyperlink popup. Redtigerxyz Talk 14:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
my guess is that adding citations is a function that doesn't exist yet in the visual editor? if it *is* possible, then my feedback is that I could see how to do that. MicheleJackson ( talk) 20:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to see it capable of editing a selected section. :) John Cline ( talk) 08:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Not being able to edit template parameters such as those used in infoboxes and reference citations is a real pain; being able to edit those kind of elements is essential. The same is true for image captions. Waggers TALK 09:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't use VisualEditor myself; but I have noticed a problem with edits made by somebody else. Specifically,
this edit which added a <gallery>
immediately before the existing <Gallery>
, and which also added a </gallery>
at the very end of the article. The first error was spotted by that user
and fixed, but I
fixed the second. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 11:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
for some unknown reason i don't like it. when it becomes public please give us an option to disable it. --jordan5000000000, the vandal fighter. learn about me!, or talk to me 14:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
@ User:Jordan5000000000; can you explain what your specific problems are with it? We can work on addressing them (knock wood!) Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 10:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The main thing that I find frustrating in the current editor is formatting tables. I hope that the new Visual Editor will have WYSIWYG table editing. — Anne Delong ( talk) 15:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>...</nowiki>
around the URLs in references. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 09:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I had hoped the VE would be good for reviewing long articles and making minor copy edits, which is very difficult to do in Wikitext. I found two problems: 1) the inability to edit section by section (only able to edit an article in its entirety); and 2) when editing an entire long article, as one move down in the page, the remaining text of the article accumulates garbage text, such that the remainder of the article becomes gibberish. Since there is no way to save only what has been edited at a certain point, I had to cancel all edits and begin again in Wikitext. Meclee ( talk) 00:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I use the Modern skin. ( Click here for this page displayed using Modern.) As of 06:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC), I cannot access the VE. I disabled a gadget I use that modifies that area, with no difference. When I switched from Vector a couple months ago, I didn't care that there wasn't a way to easily access it because it was still in alpha... then forgot VE existed. Am I right in thinking that it will be available soon? Also, what about the other skins? –– Ɔ Ȿ♭ ௵ ☎ ℡ ☎ 06:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I hope that the developers are also working on adding more features. It's very basic now, what I miss the most is the ability to add citations to the text and adding photos from Commons. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 07:49, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
<small></small>
with nothing between, I do remove it - manually. I believe that
AWB removes it too, and there are certainly bots that do so. So in this case, I don't count it as a bug. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 09:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
This is confusing to me; I can't even figure out how I can test this new and likely unnecessary development.
The most important thing I can say is that, as a woefully un-technical middle-aged woman who barely knew how to use a word processor, I learned to edit Wikipedia. Yes, I had to learn, and yes, I made mistakes. Along the way I added to my personal skill set and enjoyed positive interactions with more knowledgeable editors. The interface has been improved several times since I created an account seven years ago. What's wrong with it? Yopienso ( talk) 17:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I know the citation/reference feature has "highest" importance in bugzilla, and " is set to be deployed to the VisualEditor in a matter of days, not months." I see from the Q3 quarterly review that you're hoping (per slide 19) to deploy Visual Editor "on all language Wikipedias" by July 1 and (per slide 24) you won't proceed if references like {{ cite web}} aren't available. I've tried it out a little on MediaWiki and it looks like you're going in the right direction, though IMO it is far too easy for a novice to delete an entire citation without realising what it is. But the devil is in the detail and I just want to ask please allow plenty of opportunity for testing, review and polishing. There's no desperate urgency to make VE the default editor on enwiki. It's better to keep it as an "opt-in" preference for registered users until the citations functionality is ready for prime time. A few extra weeks won't do any harm. - Pointillist ( talk) 11:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Visual Editor needs a way to display HTML notes since many times they are used within a page to describe information that is important to anyone who might be editing. That may include notes on how specific elements should be treated or that discussion is necessary before changes are made because such an element is disputed (see the genre sections of the article Green Day for example). Cat-five t c ---- 11:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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Redrose64 (
talk) 14:28, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Comment. VE needs to stop removing hidden HTML notes wholesale. At the time of this discussion by VE developers, Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive 2013 05#General_observations, hidden notes were preserved. Now ALL hidden HTML notes on a page (or at least those in templates) are removed when the page is edited by VE.
Page edit notices and section edit notices will not work as a replacement since hidden notes can be instructional for specific references, tables, infoboxes, navboxes, sentences, paragraphs, etc.. Page notices and edit notices are for a whole page or section.
If HTML notes are going to be replaced by some new hidden notation system, they still need to be preserved in the meantime. They should be treated similarly to how VE handles tables, infoboxes, and other stuff that VE can not currently edit. VE should not be doing anything within templates. Templates are too complex for VE to meddle with in the slightest way. VE should not even remove spaces in templates.
If VE ends up with another hidden note tool, then a bot may have to go around to convert all existing hidden HTML notes to the new VE tool. But why bother?
Why not keep the HTML notes, and use some kind of popup tooltip in VE that pops up when one puts the mouse cursor over a hidden note icon in VE edit mode? So one can read the hidden note in the popup. Kind of like how reference tooltips work. Except this would only show up in VE edit mode. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 04:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
VE does not display all page notices. For example, if you edit the source of Barack Obama, you see three notices: compliance with BLP, article probation and semi-protection. If you edit with VE, not only does the page take a very long to load but it only displays the article probation notice. The BLP policy notice seems too important to leave out, here. Dricherby ( talk) 11:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
BTW. Takes about 25 seconds for me on 2Ghz Core i5, Safari 6. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Another suggestion: would be good to be able to click and drag highlighted text to a new position with the mouse cursor, just like in word processing software. Lesion ( talk) 15:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to fix the capitalization of a link like this and received the message "Your edit has been ignored because you have made no changes to the text." WhatamIdoing ( talk) 18:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
(In my opinion, the VE seems way buggy to deploy atm. I hope some serious bug-fixing gets done before the deployment...) -- Yair rand ( talk) 22:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Looking at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive 2013 05 there are an awful lot of bug reports that had still not been responded to when they were archived, five from me alone. Would it be an idea to suspend archiving on this page, or would it be reasonable to assume that this project is unlikely to be implemented without a major rewrite and a fresh testing phase? Ϣere SpielChequers 22:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Just added my first wikilink with visual editor, from Governor Stevens to Isaac Stevens. A little confusing. Wanted link to Isaac Stevens page to be blue to indicate the page exists. Also would have wanted to see "Appears on page: ..." and "Page linked to: ..." to confirm I did it correctly (not necessarily with these exact labels.) Djembayz ( talk) 00:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to clear my sandbox (apart from the standard template at the top). It contained two paragraphs of text, each with a L2 header. Starting below the template, I dragged the cursor over the whole content to select it all and pressed "delete", but there remained the empty "== ==" of one header, like this. JohnCD ( talk) 10:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Take a look at this screen capture on a Win7 & IE9 pc. The menu is not on top when it overlaps the User sandbox template. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 11:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I think the "Heading 1" option should be removed from the menu; this should be used so little that the cost of editors messing up the page seems more than any possible benefit. Ypnypn ( talk) 21:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
VE is clearly not ready for mainstream release and would be disruptive to editors, especially new editors. Therefore, the release of VE should be postponed until the bugs are worked out. There's no need to rush the release of VE and the best interest of Wikipedia should be our goal. Right now, VE would be harmful to WP. VE should be released when it would be beneficial to WP. SMP0328. ( talk) 00:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Or any other template, for that matter. These are important. — wing gundam 03:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Am I supposed to be able to click and drag text? When I highlight text and try to drag it to drop it somewhere else, I see the insert cursor but when I release it, nothing happens. Jason Quinn ( talk) 05:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Second try at using VE, second bug. I tried editing another article, EastEnders, and again tried to (p)review my changes. Using the mouse wheel to scroll down, the mouse moved over an Infobox on the page. This obscured the "Return to Save Form" button even when I moved the mouse back up the 'dialog', so I couldn't click it. Took me a while, but eventually I figured out that I had to move the mouse back over some other part of the article behind and the green gauze disappeared... In usability terms, 3/10 I'm afraid! Stephenb (Talk) 11:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC) (Using Firefox, btw) Stephenb (Talk) 11:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
In this edit I attempted to delete the entire Oxygen subsection, including the table. I was able to do this using the VisualEditor interface without any problem. However, when I saved the page, the content was replaced by HTML markup. This is clearly a severe bug. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I like VisualEditor, however some problems do pop out. When I bold or unbold articles, in the preview it looks great, but after saving, random apostrophes pop out. Marcnut1996 ( talk) 12:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Please look at this diff. I tried to change the header type from 3rd level to 2nd level only. VE placed a huge string of codes in the article :S Teemeah 편지 (letter) 12:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Similar to above, with this edit to They All Play Ragtime, VisualEditor added a bunch of code that wasn't intended nor needed. PK T(alk) 12:28, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I made what was supposed to be a minor removal of info at Operation Gladio, instead 650,000 characters of code showed up. Capitalismojo ( talk) 12:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to make this edit to Dark Shadows: The House of Despair with VE, but when I clicked to save the page I got "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: Unrecognized value for parameter 'action': visualeditor." JohnCD ( talk) 15:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Is there going to be any sort of instruction manual - well manual is too heavy, instruction page or help page? I know it's meant to be instinctive, and it's pretty good that way, but I did flail about a bit when first trying to make a wikilink, and would have been grateful for something that said "1. type the display text, 2. select it, 3. click the "link" icon, 4. type the target". Similarly when first using the header drop-down menu. Maybe I am too soaked in wiki markup, but then so will many of your users be. JohnCD ( talk) 15:45, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Hidden comments/notes are useful for editors to see if there are things that are not supposed to be changed and/or things that can only be changed in a certain way.
The VisualEditor does not allow the editor to see them. It would be great if there were an option to enable/disable the ability to view these hidden comments (but have them enabled by default). Johnny Au ( talk/ contributions) 02:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Wow, I sure miss that "edit" link on sections! Keep going back to "edit source" for the whole article instead. Hope you'll have a way to "edit source for this section!" Djembayz ( talk) 03:58, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Use the wikitext editor for editing sections while VisualEditor is in beta"
Tried editing http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nachiketa&oldid=559896641 to remove image. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
[2] I could not edit para 2 (a blank line between para 1 and para 2) using VisualEditor. A mouse over resulted in para becoming green with "Sorry..." message. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 09:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Not really a constructive comment, but I'd like to say that VE alpha is slow as hell and essentially unusable for me. If it is able to edit what you want to edit (i.e. not within a template of any kind) then chances are that in other parts of the article, it will mess with layout in a bad way, or insert a load of random characters for no reason. I'm now disabling VE alpha with extreme prejudice. Lesion ( talk) 09:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I can imagine that the thing would be useful as a means of avoiding those accidental misclicks that cause <big>, bulleted lists etc to appear but beyond that it was just frustrating. Hopefully, it will improve and hopefully the potentially single most useful element will turn up when the initial issues are resolved, ie: a decent way to construct tables visually. - Sitush ( talk) 21:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I think I mentioned this before, but I think it needs to be raised again.
Currently, the popup box for editing links can be closed by using the left-pointing arrow in the top-left corner, or clicking away from the box. However, the most common UI pattern (Windows, Mac, Facebook, etc.) is to have a "close" button on the top-right corner and/or a "cancel" button in the bottom-right corner. But instead, we have the "remove link" trashcan icon in the top-right. Many users will click this when they want to close the link editing popup, and find their nicely created link gone.
This is worse with the "category sortkey" popup box within "page settings". This doesn't have any obvious way of closing it at all (other than clicking out, which is not well-known among less tech-savvy users).
I have heard a member of the VE team explain in the past that users will be comfortable with the "back" metaphor... Well, dialog boxes don't normally have "back" buttons in the top-left corner; instead, they have "close" or "cancel" buttons, as I explained above. This is a confusing mix of UI metaphors that fails to help the user efficiently interact with the VE interface.
Can I please urge the VE team to reconsider this UI design decision, and introduce a more obvious "close" and/or "cancel" button in these popup boxes? — This, that and the other (talk) 10:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
We cannot edit the header box. Rkmkvk ( talk) 10:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I am unable to remove a file from an article in VE. For me as an NFCC enforcer, this seems to be a major concern. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 11:24, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Having read the comments above
I don't dare to enable a test. Perhaps I am too long in the tooth, and seen too many software improvements destroy systems- no matter how brilliant the coding. But can I ask that one improvement is immediately incorporated, that: The edit summary of all edits made with VE are clearly marked, so we see immediately in our watchlist which articles have potentially had their structures 'improved'. From the comments above just about every article I have ever edited is vunerable.-- Clem Rutter ( talk) 13:06, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
An edit I made using VE resulted in "<nowiki>" and "</nowiki>" (without the quotation marks) appear throughout the source version of the article. I removed them in the edit. They don't appear in the public version of the article, but there's no good reason for them to be added. I was using Firefox 21. Clicking "edit" next to a section or subsection header should lead to VE. Currently, so clicking leads to the standard edit window. Otherwise, VE worked well. SMP0328. ( talk) 02:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
In this section, Teammm said that typing brackets caused the nowikis, which is what I responded to in my initial statement. I'm now noticing that SMP says (s)he didn't try to change any links, which I must've glanced past. (I didn't notice exactly what was different because of the added newline causing the diff to not clearly show what (s)he edited.) I just took Teammm's comment as reputed truth. I now realize what's going on and partially stand by what I said. I think the VE is not programmed clearly enough to reliably distinguish URLs and a plain sentence with a year from typed wikimarkup/HTML and is therefore trying to make all the supposed coding on the page visible whether or not any are changed. Sorry for my fubar. –– Ɔ Ȿ♭ ௵ ☎ ℡ ☎ 08:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Happened to me too, in this edit - I changed wording in the last sentence of the intro, and the VE gratuitously put nowiki tags around several URLs inside cite templates. (You can see it also altered some spacing inside template parameters.) - David Gerard ( talk) 19:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
This is cool, when i edit this, it shows me my references. What's interesting is that it adds 9 nicely formatted references beforehand, and I have no idea where they're coming from. :) I cut/pasted below, the last 2 refs are correct as near as I've observed.
↑ Bourne, G. E.: Columbus, Ramon Pane, and the Beginnings of American Anthropology (1906), Kessinger Publishing, 2003, p. 5. ↑ McKenna, T.: Food of the Gods – The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge – A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution, Bantam Books, 1993, p. 199. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Porter, R., Teich, M.: Drugs and Narcotics in History, Cambridge University Press, 1997, p. 39. ↑ Techmedexperts.com ↑ "Smoking ban puts snuff back in fashion". Retrieved 1 November 2010. ↑ Snuffbox.org.uk ↑ Boffetta P, Hecht S, Gray N, Gupta P, Straif K. Smokeless tobacco and cancer. Lancet Oncol. 2008;9(7):667–75. doi:10.1016/S1470-2045(08)70173-6. PMID 18598931. ↑ Phillips CV, Heavner KK. Smokeless tobacco: the epidemiology and politics of harm. Biomarkers. 2009;14(Suppl 1):79–84. doi:10.1080/13547500902965476. PMID 19604065. ↑ Russell, M A H Russell; Jarvis, M; Devitt, G; Feyerabend, C (1981). "Nicotine intake by snuff users". British Medical Journal (BMJ Group) 283 (6295): 814–816. doi:10.1136/bmj.283.6295.814. PMC 1507093. PMID 6794710. ↑ Schomburgk, Sir Robert Hermann (1848). The History of Barbados: Comprising a Geographical and Statistical Description of the Island; a Sketch of the Historical Events Since the Settlement; and an Account of Its Geology and Natural Productions. Longman, Brown, Green and Longmans. pp. 332–. Retrieved 13 June 2013. ↑ Wilson, James Grant; Fiske, John, eds. (1900). "Stein, Conrad". Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography. New York: D. Appleton.
Thanks! -- j⚛e decker talk 22:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's related to the TL:DR infobox comments above, but I just had my first ever VE edit destroy an infobox by adding nowiki to a bulleted list. I clicked the edit section link way down the page and didn't go near the infobox other than to find the save button. I think that's enough of a trial for me. You have to make sure the "do no harm" principle is followed in terms of not touching parts of the article that aren't being actively edited, we don't want all edits running an auto-mini AWB-general cleanup-fix routine at the same time. The-Pope ( talk) 15:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm finding VE useful, even in its alpha state, as an adjunct to the source editor. I still primarily use the latter, but VE is good for proofing, like finding format errors. When the UI gets streamlined, I'll be inclined to use it more, and as others have noted, the ability to invoke one inside the other would be especially helpful. RE: the concerns that VE will open the floodgates to disruptive editing, I share that concern. But I think the answer isn't to dump a useful tool, but to make sure that disruptive editors are dealt with more convincingly. That's a policy matter. Barte ( talk) 15:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
As eager as I am to use VE, it does not seem ready as evidenced by the multitude of threads here -- section editing, redirects, speed, templates, low level of confidence in not breaking wikiformat, so on. Has management considered postponing the date of making VE the default editor? 192.136.210.191 ( talk) 21:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
There's a link on my watchlist that says "help us to test [VisualEditor]" and it takes me to this page, which doesn't tell me how to help to test VisualEditor. I've worked out how (and think it's useless until I can add references with it, FWIW), but it's far from obvious. Could an appropriate link be added to the top of this page, or alternatively the watchlist notification be rewritten? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 00:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
A number of people (e.g. the item above this, and "More infobox dramas" further up) are reporting unintended consequences of VE edits in parts of the page distant from what they intended to edit. Are these all bugs, or is VE designed to make AWB-type cleanup edits in addition to what the user asks it to do? JohnCD ( talk) 11:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
This is terrible. This is the edit I wanted to do (literally, add one character); this is what the VE actually did. At present it's in Sorcerer's Apprentice mode - how is anyone supposed to look at a diff like that and see what the actual change was? It's an open invitation to subtle vandalism - David Gerard ( talk) 20:48, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
And again: what I wanted to do versus what the VE did. Is this sort of behaviour, creating unusable diffs, really by design? I thought that this sort of thing was explicitly one of the things the VE would not be allowed to do - David Gerard ( talk) 21:18, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that when I try to edit a section by clicking on the "edit" by the section header, VE automatically jumps down to later in the article, and I have to scroll back up to edit again. I initially thought it was jumping to the next section, but it seems to be somewhere between a screen and half a screen in my browser (Firefox). ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 15:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Can't edit the Arabic at Osama bin Laden. (And yes, I can edit that article, just not the Arabic! I presume this is a general bidirectional text issue, that is a known hard problem.) -- j⚛e decker talk 04:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
is that some devs or editors who are really REALLY familiar with the Visual Editor should hang out in at least #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-en-help on IRC for a while. There could possibly be a lot of questions that the regulars won't be able to answer. Shearonink ( talk) 14:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Making things easier for new editors is a great goal. However, if Visual Editor is released in its current state and succeeds in getting lots of people to edit who wouldn't edit otherwise, then we have lots of editors using an interface that's incapable of producing citations. That means that these editors are incapable of making anything but the simplest edits (essentially, things that could legitimately be tagged as minor) in a way that is compliant with Wikipedia's core policies on verifiability. That really seems like it's inviting trouble. It's not even clear that it's a net benefit to the encyclopaedia: we get a lot of new editors but, whenever they try to do something substantial, more experienced editors will have to come and fix the mess. We're setting up the new editors for failure: they'll be criticized for not sourcing their additions and have a lot of their edits reverted. The only constructive advice we'll be able to give these editors is, "Don't use Visual Editor." Please do not introduce this software until it can deal with citations: policy requires this. Dricherby ( talk) 21:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Why isn't VisualEditor enabled for section editing? I was playing around with VisualEditor on my user page. I can not foresee much use for VisualEditor if it can not be used for section editing.
If it is enabled for section editing, then it will also be necessary to enable "edit source" somehow for sections too. So people can choose between the two. Just like at the top of page.
This is not about long articles either. I use section editing for almost all my editing, whether in short or long articles. If the developers are worried about cluttering up each section with both "edit" and "edit source" links, then there needs to be some icon next to "edit" that will be the link for "edit source". The clickable icon will have a popup tooltip saying "edit source".
Anonymous editors do much of the editing on Wikipedia, and many will prefer to edit the source wikitext. Many will prefer the VisualEditor. There has to be a choice at every stage, or this venture could drastically lower the total number of edits in the months following full implementation. It may take a long time to build back from that loss of monthly edits. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 00:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Comment. I sometimes like to open up a section in a new tab for editing. So I can switch between tabs to alternate between how the section currently looks, and how my preview looks. This also helps me in finding stuff in the wikitext. I can use browser find in both tabs to help me find where I need to edit.
This can be very necessary when editing references, tables, navigation boxes, image captions, and other such wikitext. Images that are right-floating, for example, can be difficult to find in the wikitext otherwise. So section editing of source wikitext is essential. Let us not remove section editing of source wikitext when VisualEditor is fully implemented, and when VisualEditor is enabled for section editing! It would be extremely difficult and time consuming to do these things with two side-by-side full pages in tabs. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 22:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I've been avoiding VE since {{ sfn}} was broken (above) making it unusable, but left it enabled. This morning it started when I clicked on a section edit tag, and this was the mess it made of the sandbox I was editing. I will now need to turn it off under Preferences.
This doesn't feel like it's ready to enable as default. If it's still messing up articles, inexperianced editors are going to see their edits reverted through no fault of their own. In my opionion it needs to be working for at least 2 weeks before enabling by default. Edgepedia ( talk) 04:10, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Many registered editors don't edit enough to know much about preferences. This is a bad idea. VE editing of sections should be opt-in, not opt-out.
This could cause many editors, who already do not edit much, to edit less because their edits get reverted soon after using Visual Editor. VE messes up many things. I have seen it myself, and so I do not use VE. I have to check a WHOLE-PAGE preview diff for errors it inserts before I save some other minor thing I edited. Minor typos and other things that used to take me a few seconds to fix now take a long time with the Visual Editor.
Visual Editor needs to edit SECTIONS, too. Not the whole page. So this fix is not a fix. Visual Editor still does not support section editing. It still only edits the whole page.
Worst of all, what was once an interesting option has now become an imposed encumbrance. There is no way to edit in source mode now without effort. Registered editors are forced to use VE. They can only opt-out of VE section editing. They must go here: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
Please return section editing of source wikitext as the default. Make this VE section editing gimmick the option in preferences. Make it opt-in, not opt-out.
The WMF does not have anywhere near a consensus or approval or any other type of community process sanction that justifies imposing beta VE. Especially when it is as buggy and beta as it is now. VE was actually an interesting option until this latest forced imposition of beta VE.
This option in preferences means that once I enable it I lose this gimmicky ability to edit sections with the Visual Editor. So that means we still do not have the ability to edit sections with Visual Editor. I did not want to sacrifice the ability to edit sections in source mode in order to get the ability (however gimmicky) to edit sections with VE. So I noted that in bugzilla:48429. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 00:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
When all of the edits are within one section, it would be nice to have the section headings listed in the edit summary by default. This ought to begin with the usual link to the section and "External links". WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
When I attempted to correct something minor in Bleak House using VE (my first ever use!) I decided to preview the changes just in case, only to be surprised that it would have removed the hidden comment "<!-- See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels]] or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Books]] -->" from the Infobox. This confused me (as an experienced editor) - particularly since the Infobox is 'off-limits' to VE, so I don't know what a new editor would feel! That change, if I'd left it, could also have been seen as minor vandalism. Count me as unimpressed so far. Stephenb (Talk) 11:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey all
As you can see with the threads above this one, there's a pretty serious issue with the VisualEditor at the moment; it's been tentatively traced to a deployment earlier this morning. We've made fixing it of the highest priority, and in the meantime are about to turn off the VE to prevent people accidentally munging articles. It goes without saying that we're very sorry about this issue, and the disruption it has caused; hopefully it won't be repeated! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 14:49, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:Page tabs looks funny in the visual editor. See how it looks in my usersapce. Panpog1 ( talk) 22:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
-- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:58, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
When holding the delete key, one of 2 things happen:
To use the delete key, you need to rapidly tap it, which seems to work normally.
The old editing window had optional add ons that could be enabled like having 2 drop-down menus of common edit summaries. These would definitely be good to include in VE, not sure if you guys are already on to that. Thanks, please keep up the good work, Lesion ( talk) 09:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
The use of templates within the beta Visual Editor is not intuitive, at least to me, and I could not easily locate help.
I just made my first use of the VE, both attempts to add simple {{citation needed}} templates did not go as planned: when I reviewed the edit, both the article improvement tag, and the sentence it followed, seemed to be enclosed inside nowiki ... /nowiki syntax. So I didn't save the edit, and have gone back to standard editing in my preferences. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 18:25, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
tried to edit by adding [[Japanese people|Japanese]] correct link in passengers and it came out as plain text every time. At the moment I will go back to the old ways. Also i could not find the wiki markups that were always handy. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 19:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to keep posting here, but I couldn't sleep last night and was thinking about VE :/
— This, that and the other (talk) 04:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
"Starting on June 18, VisualEditor will be randomly enabled by default for half of newly created accounts on the English Wikipedia to test stability, performance and features."
This is from the June 17 2013 Tech News. It links to this list mail.
I think this is a bad idea. The VE team is already getting a lot of feedback from editors who opt in voluntarily (via preferences) to try out VE.
This could cause a lot of new editors to quit editing Wikipedia due to the many bugs, and due to the many reverts they are likely to receive. Also, many new editors started out as anonymous editors, and are somewhat familiar with wikitext source editing.
Unless "edit source" links are returned to article sections many editors will be clueless as to how to use what they know works. So they will do the logical thing and quit editing for awhile or permanently (since many people drift to the latest thing that interests them). -- Timeshifter ( talk) 02:58, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
At [6]:
Last external link in the article has the title
Case information at the NIH National Library of Medicine
In Visual Editor, some text is prepended to that, resulting in the displayed title being:
's+Shoo+Fly+Powders+for+Drunkenness Case information at the NIH National Library of Medicine
Reproduced in Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
On Mac/Chrome/Version 27.0.1453.110, this puts a thin rectangle with a small icon, looking like a missing image, roughly centered left-right on the page, starting about the first line of the lede and continuing down to about the fifth line of the first paragraph of the Biography. The text does not flow around the box, but ignores it. In Safari 6.0.5 (8536.30.1), there's no box, but there is an abonormally wide area after "Help" but before the close parenthesis, more or less:
Hermann Müller (help ) (18 May 1876 – 20 March 1931),
I speculate that both of these are related to the sound clip. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
When I open this in Visual Editor, I get a link symbol pop-up, and I have no idea why. Reproduced on Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Scroll to the lawsuit section, note the replication of the link to Title IX just under the portrait. Reproduces under Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
End of first paragraph ends:
there is no corresponding defense in English law.[2][contradictory]
In Visual Editor, it reads:
there is no corresponding defense in English law.[2][<span title="This text contradicts text in the article "Necessity in English law" (3 May 2011)">contradictory]
Reproduced in Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
In general, Wikipedians often talk about redlinks. It would be really nice if redlinks were red in the Visual Editor. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The first three discography tables, but not the last of the four, have something strange going on in the ruling at the bottom of the tables. Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 05:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
When an image size is specified in an infobox, "125px" and "125 px" are not equivalent as they are with wiki language. Alberto Fernández Fernández ( talk) 10:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't VE only be made the default AFTER all bugs have been removed AND everything that can currently be done in the normal editor can also be done in VE? Wikipedia:VisualEditor/FAQ says VE is supposed to be turned on by July 2013. How can VE be bug-free until then if this is true? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 11:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, as a vehement supporter of VE and the VE team, I'm going to put this out there. You better watch it extremely, extremely closely during that A/B test. Even I feel that with the amount of reports that have trickled in over the past two weeks, going for an A/B test right now seems overly optimistic and basically setting the foundation up for getting their heads bashed in by this community. I fear this is not going to end well and that would be a shame. I'm not asking for something bug free, I don't care what it says about this community, nor do I care about performance numbers and deadlines of the foundation, I just want it to not end badly. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I wont be testing anymore. It's not intuitive. It doesnt work. It uses a diff paradigm. I'm happy with what I have. Atlas-maker ( talk) 13:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Some comments on the visual editor:
Good job but still needs quite some work done. Also, I've seen this mentioned somewhere but I have to comment on it: is it wise to release a tool to make editing faster/easier without the feature of adding sources? This seems like asking for trouble. Cheers. Gaba (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice if VE could accept simple wiki-mark up like brackets for links [8] or equals signs for section headers [9] without automatically inserting the nowiki tags. It would make for a smoother transition for experienced editors IMO. ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 20:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
In visual editor mode, the page currently renders the refs as numbers but there's no way to change the refs - for example to change the page number. Hovering the cursor over gives a cannot edit symbol; hovering the cursor over the refs section gives the same symbol. How are we to verify the material we write? Victoria ( talk) 20:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I think the visual editor should display any <!-- internal comments --> the article contains. Many of these comments are designed to prevent the repetition of erroneous edits before they occur and their omission in the VE view neglects this purpose. :) John Cline ( talk) 22:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I just tried some editing of templates at mw:VisualEditor:Template_test, and I have some feedback, with the most important at the top.
The VE is so not ready for prime time. My #1 request at his point is for an easy "toggle" to toggle over to "edit source", similar to the way most visual editors for html let you toggle easily between visual and html code editing mode. Meclee ( talk) 23:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC) I should probably clarify that, by "easy way to toggle", I don't simply mean a button or tab. As it stands, if I'm in Wikitext mode and have made Wiki mark-up changes, I cannot simply toggle over to VE because VE cannot handle the WMU changes made. I'm not a developer, but perhaps the "toggle" should "save" the changes before switching? Meclee ( talk) 23:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to add some punctuation in Star Trek Into Darkness in this edit, but the VisualEditor also tried copying part of an image link as well, which messed up the page. GoingBatty ( talk) 00:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I supposedly made this edit [10], except I did NOT make all those changes, and in fact did not change any citations. Perhaps there was an edit conflict or something. But that seems like a significant "bug". Alanscottwalker ( talk) 01:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Just a thought: would it not be possible to have the visual editor detect whether changes had only been made to a particular section, and if this was the case, to treat the edit as an edit to that section (including appropriate notations on the diff, as at present, e.g. -->History)?
This would circumvent most edit conflicts, enable editors to see quickly what areas had been changed by an edit, and possibly speed up the saves. I can't see any disadvantages to implementing this. hgilbert ( talk) 01:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Three Two of the eight most recent edits using VisualEditor
[11]
[12]
[13] have attempted to use wiki syntax in VisualEditor. The wikilink syntax issue is
bugzilla:49686, but the use of apostrophes is probably more an issue of community education than compensating with software features. If people try to use VE this way, they will get a negative impression that VE "doesn't work", because it is not doing what they expect it to do.
Just putting it out there, something for the community liaison folks to be aware of. — This, that and the other (talk) 03:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Changing image captions should not be any harder than changing other kinds of text. Why is it not possible? Also, while it's probably going to be impossible to edit templates visually, it should be possible to remove them, as well as images. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 05:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
OpenOffice is a large and complicated page, with hundreds of references. In normal wikitext editing, it takes thirty seconds or more to just save and re-render the page. So I just tried doing a pile of text edits with the VE ... and it timed out. The error: "Error saving data to server: timeout." It did this both when I asked for a preview and when I went ahead and hit "save" anyway. Needless to say, this needs never to happen.
(Also, odd thing: I tried typing the summary ... and couldn't backspace or edit what I'd typed in any way, just type more. This was after the first server timeout.) - David Gerard ( talk) 08:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
The end of the article, in the Visual Editor, reads:
* Official Biography at Griffin|Schein * Chad Griffin на сайті Internet Movie Database (англ.) Шаблон:S-start↵Шаблон:S-npo Попередник: {{{попередник}}} ↵{{{титул}}} Шаблон:S-inc Шаблон:LGBT Шаблон:Use mdy dates
Reproduced on my Mac in both Chrome and Safari. Enjoy! -- j⚛e decker talk 04:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
After the word Hinterland, VE displays a ↵ symbol (not unlike that found on some Enter/Return keys) following the word "hinterland." Both Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The new visual editor gives not the least indication (that I could find) how to insert/edit references, this is a huge missing, since it actually makes it a lot harder to insert references for new editors (i.e. those that don't know how) and will further stratify between knowledgeable and new editors as all new editors stand a big chance of their efforts being reverted due to lack of references and having no way to find out how to do referencing.
For me there is no way a new editor should be introduced that makes an already difficult and archaic task, yet a required task, basically impossible, there is no way I could support the new editor whilst this gaping hole in functionality exists. And if the functionality does exist (I would hope it does) it needs to be obvious and simple and easy to use. Jasonfward ( talk) 21:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, that was annoying. The inability to modify citations, for example, is a deal killer. Speed...feels like I went back to pre-Pentium days. I have quickly disabled this, and am glad it will continue to be an option one can disable. I can't imagine when I would ever use it, unless it got some really smooth table creating and editing features. That's the one thing I dislike doing in the present editor.
Positives: I'm sure it will be easier for the casual user (as long as that casual user has lots of time on her hands). hgilbert ( talk) 21:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi. This was my first experience with VisualEditor. I was editing Microsoft OneNote when I somehow caused the infobox to move below the lead. I noticed too late, when reverting it via undo button was too costly and time-taking and putting it back manually was impossible.
I tried copying the diff of my changes so that I could re-apply them in Source Editor... only to discover that it is impossible to select or copy diff text.
This editor is too immature. Please don't deploy it yet. Best regards, Codename Lisa ( talk) 22:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Goodness knows what went wrong here, but edits like this should somehow be rejected by the server. — This, that and the other (talk) 05:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried editing User:Faizan/Guestbook by simply adding a new line and my signature, but lucky I clicked review changes: VisualEditor was tampering with other user's signatures! It didn't seem to like links that were multi-coloured, and was instead changing them to a single colour. WHY? -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 08:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
From what I can tell the visual editor edits template text poorly, and does not edit the formatting at all. I am not sure if VE can, or will be able to, edit transcluded templates at all. At least not where the transcluded template is used in a section of an article. This is important for updating navigation boxes used in multiple articles, for example.
So we need quick access to a list of transcluded templates used in that section of the article. So we can click on a template link and edit that template. The source editor for a section does not immediately show a list of transcluded templates in that section.
I had no idea until yesterday that a list of templates used in a section existed. I knew only of the full page list of templates that shows up at the bottom of the page when you click the edit (source) link at the top of the page.
But I now know that a preview of a section edit in the source editor shows a list of transcluded templates used in the section. Just hitting the "edit source" link for a section does not show this list of templates.
That needs to change. We need to see that list of transcluded templates right away after clicking the "edit source" link for a section.
To see what I am talking about hit the edit source link for this section. You will not see any template links after the edit window. Then click the "show preview" button. You will now see the Bugzilla tracking template linked after the edit window under "view templates". -- Timeshifter ( talk) 10:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Here is a page that has a table and a couple transcluded navigation-box templates at the bottom:
With VE the table is editable and WYSIWYG.
But with VE the existing text in the 2 navigation boxes can not be edited as far as I can tell. At least not within VE from that page. I am talking about after clicking the edit icons for the navigation boxes. New parameters can be added to one of the templates, but I don't see a way to edit the text for existing parameters in either navigation box. So those are examples of transcluded templates that would need links in "view templates" when section editing in source mode.
Quiddidy's idea would also help. That is if it provided a direct link to the transcluded template page, and not to the core templates that make up the navigation box at the core level. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 05:24, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I couldn't remember if this had been brought up already, but when you enter editing mode on a page with redlinks they all suddenly turn blue. It kind of defeats the purpose of a WYSIWYG editor if the page renders differently in editing mode. – Thatotherperson ( talk/ contribs) 09:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Great work getting the {{ sfn}} problem sorted!
Tried again on some articles in userspace:
In my option still not safe enough for main space edits. Edgepedia ( talk) 18:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I like the new Visual Editor, but I think it could be useful to allow some "hybrid" writing. For example, I'd like to be able to write ==Title== and let the editor to autotransform in a title. I know it is possible to click in the button, but I think productivity would be increased if it is possible to work only with the keyboard. -- FAR ( talk) 13:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
In the existing editor when I start typing in the edit summary field it will prompt me with various edit summaries that I've used before. This often saves the majority of key depressions needed for one typo fix. Visual editor doesn't do this, is that intentional? If so it is a pain. Ϣere SpielChequers 05:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I've stopped testing for now - it has simply slowed to the point where I can't take part, but I figure testers are not in short supply considering how many open issues I and others have on this page. I reverted to the old editor for this after it had hung for several minutes, the second edit in a row that happened to me. Normally when fixing minor typos I would be averaging one a minute so a 7 minute gap looks like a 6 minute overhead and feels like far more. Ϣere SpielChequers 14:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
If the goal is to make it easier then it should be easy to add a reference as well. RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 06:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Just a quick and hopefully easy question: How do I opt out of all this? I do not want to spend my time learning this new system when I've done perfectly well with the old one for the last almost eight years. Manxruler ( talk) 18:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
As dumb as it may be, that is something that came to my mind as well. I, too, have spent countless hours on learning the current system and I am proud of being experienced with most stuff of the current system. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Visual Editor cannot be better at some point than the current system (hopefully it will be). It's also not meant to say everything is perfect the way it is or that nothing should be changed, but it is something that should be kept in mind. Think of the seniors, masters and grandmasters as well. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied in the end. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:40, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I did my first edit using visual editor. I tried to change about 6 words in one sentence. After waiting a long time for it to save, the following 2,262 byte difference was the result ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sholay&diff=559794409&oldid=559758646), along with red citation errors in the text. I used undo and disabled visual editor on my preferences; not gonna be happy to be forced into this. BollyJeff | talk 23:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
This is further to my earlier comments above. Using Opera 12.14 here. Last night I checked what VE looks like in Firefox, where it is working. But in Opera the new tabs for Edit and Edit Source do not appear after I enable VE in my preferences, the tab is still labelled Edit this Page, so clearly VE is not currently being enabled in Opera. I tried identifying as Firefox in my browser preferences but no change. There are some earlier comments in the bug reports indicating Opera was working once so guess they have disabled it again. Would be nice to have a statement about this. When VE goes live can we assume that we Opera users will continue to get the old configuration rather than a silly 'update your browser' message? (and by the way, the Chrome look alike version of Opera, Opera 15 currently in beta, will come out in due course. Because of many issues lots of us will continue using Opera 12 for a long time afterwards so this needs supporting as well). Dsergeant ( talk) 05:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Three times I've turned on VisualEditor over the last couple weeks, including just now, and three times I haven't seen any difference. Either I don't know what to look for, or this doesn't work for me. I'm on Firefox 16, although apparently I'm not supposed to be (it likes to warn me about that) because my OS is too old or something. Wasn't going to mention anything here but now it seems more and more people are actually getting to try this thing out. I agree with the user above, I would only want to use it if it actually made creating tables easier (I prefer to not have to rack my brains when creating something normal; nor do I want to memorize a bunch of code unless I was getting paid six figures to write code). But figured I'd mention here that VE does not seem to do much of anything for me. Edit buttons still appear in sections and editing still seems to be... like normal. Am I missing something here? Is there supposed to be some awesome looking screen? I wasn't able to find any screenshots around here to help me out. – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 22:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Not an expert, but this is my take: There should be two tabs visible at the top: "Edit" and "Edit source". Clicking on edit will give you the visual editor. Clicking on "edit source", or any of the section edit links, will give you the traditional editor. hgilbert ( talk) 01:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Question: for those of us running unsupported browsers is the situation that nothing will change? Quick note: after a lengthy conversation w/ Apple I learned that OS 10.7.2 was bundled with a build of Safari 5.1.1 and it's no longer possible to download a separate browser upgrade (I tried - didn't work). The only option is a full OS upgrade. Victoria ( talk) 19:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure whether shortcuts are planned in VE, but using "CTRL Z" do not undo my previous edit (Sorry bad habits die hard) as expected but deletes the picture instead with no obvious way to undo it
Way to reproduce:edit with VE; resize a picture; hit "CTRL Z"
Funny things also happen when you hit "CTRL+B" or "CTRL+I", the selected word is replaced with a weird character while the corresponding button becomes active (using FF Nighlty 24)
Alberto Fernández Fernández (
talk) 07:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
This reopens a question I asked above (under "Is VE intended to do automated cleanup?"), which was side-tracked because the worst example given turned out to be a known bug.
In this edit I changed only a single word, but VE also, unasked, altered multiple levels of <small> ... </small> and <big> ... </big> to single levels. Under "Why is it changing everything else?!", three above this, Numbermaniac found it altering multi-coloured signatures to single colours. Are these bugs, or is VE intended to perform AWB-style tidying up? Editors may not be happy to have their material re-formatted, unless it is explained what is and is not allowed.
Also, to repeat what I said above (two days ago, but two days is a long time in this environment!) I find it alarming if VE is doing AWB-style cleanup. With AWB there are strict Rules of use, permission is required and is given only to trusted users with at least 500 mainspace edits, it is made clear to them that they are responsible for everything done by it and their permission may be withdrawn if it is misused. If VE becomes the default editor for everyone including newbies, we cannot expect them to check on "cleanup" edits it may make in other parts of the page, possibly involving wiki-markup they do not understand, so its automated "cleaning-up" will effectively be unsupervised. What sort of testing is planned that could possibly make this a safe or sensible idea? JohnCD ( talk) 11:25, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Given that there are still some serious bugs with the VE program at current I think we need to hold off on doing the 50% release. Likewise I think we need to remove the comment that is displaying on the contributions page. Kumioko ( talk) 16:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I like VisualEditor and support its development and moving forward with it. However, I can't think of a worse time to do A/B testing with new users. Hardly anyone knows well enough how VE works, or how to explain it to newbies. More particularly, aside from vandalism, the most common reason for reversion of edits from new editors is a lack of supporting reference. VisualEditor does not yet properly support referencing. So...you're throwing the new users to the lions because they will be incapable of actually meeting minimal editing expectations, they're going to be reverted, and then they won't be technically *able* to add the reference source. This helps new editor retention how?
Get the template and reference stuff straightened out, make it the default for experienced editors...fine. But at least make sure this is a functional product, and that there are lots of people who know how it works, before you start newbies on it. The few WMF staff assigned to helping people work things out aren't nearly enough to support the new users who are going to be sideswiped here. Risker ( talk) 05:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey all. We're going to postpone the A/B test for several days; I'll post more details as I get them, but I understand it's largely down to known bugs with the existing software - bugs that you reported, and bugs that were crucial in making a go/no go decision. Thank you to everyone for all your hard work poking at the VE, and for all your reports thus far; it's much appreciated :). Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 19:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
[Copied from WP:VPT] I've only made two edits with VisualEditor recently, both yesterday, both disasters: this and this. The random garbling of text (insertion of "ad a private-pilot license and" and "[[File:Audie-Murphy-Monument.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Monument at the site of the plane crash in which Audie Murphy d"), the random insertions and removals of spaces throughout the article, and the random deletion of a hidden comment from an infobox ("<!-- LEAVE THIS ALONE! See Talk page discussion.-->") were all VE. (It's possible someone thought that "fixing" HTML markup by adding or removing a lot of spaces throughout was a feature and not a bug, but they were misinformed ... it takes a lot of time to search through a long diff to check to make sure no additional significant errors were introduced.) I was editing just one section at a time, and the errors introduced were in sections I wasn't editing. - Dank ( push to talk) 20:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
This edit, line 136 - it's turned the letter i into a new paragraph. I have no idea what it's even trying to do here - David Gerard ( talk) 23:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I just now realised that it's possible to enable VisualEditor (why is it one CamelCase word anyway?) for registered accounts, so I decided to try it out, followed the instructions, and enabled it in Preferences/Editing. However, no pages seem to have changed; I've gone to the edit screen both in mainspace and in userspace, and I've waited more than a little pause without anything appearing. Any idea what's wrong? I thought my use of Monobook might be responsible, but I see above that someone's gotten it to work in Monobook. Using IE8 in Windows 7. PS — when adding this section I got an edit conflict, even though I was using the new section tab. Can't remember ever getting an EC when using the add-a-new-section tab; is this perhaps caused by the VisualEditor? Nyttend ( talk) 23:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if this has been brought up but VE doesn't seem to work with Internet explorer 8 or less. Kumioko ( talk) 00:22, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi all! I started testing the VisualEditor and tried a few simple edits. A while ago, I performed this edit which was just a correction (135 instead of 130). The visual editor somehow messed with the images, duplicating part of them, check it out. I corrected the edit with the normal editor. -- CeruttiPaolo ( talk) 09:24, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Templates which are hidden like {{ Use British English}} and {{ use dmy dates}} aren't showing when you go into edit an article with VE, all you see is a carriage return ( ↵ ) which is easily deleted as a superfluous character. See Stoke-on-Trent for an example. This could lead to a rash of deletions innocently thought to be cleanup of stray characters. NtheP ( talk) 10:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
CTRL-C eliminates text from the editing window.
After cutting or copying, CTRL-V just pastes this character instead of the actual text: ♙
CTRL-Z doesn't undo a cut or a copy. Woodshed ( talk) 13:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I notice that you get one of "your edit has been saved boxes". What's the .css hack to switch this off (I already have it disabled for source edits with .postedit { display: none;}
)?
NtheP (
talk) 19:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I set out to add a db-a10 template, which takes a single parameter, and was baffled when asked for a parameter name. Eventually I guessed that "1" was the right answer. Perhaps there could be a hint for that: "Enter parameter name, or 1, 2 etc if no explicit name." JohnCD ( talk) 21:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I successfully added a db-a10 template to the top of a test page, but when I removed it (using the jigsaw icon and "Remove template") a line of detritus was left behind, see here. JohnCD ( talk) 22:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Why is the beta release scheduled for July? The alpha version seems more than a month away from being useful. All it can do is edit basic text, which is not a problem with the current editor. Everyone says VisualEditor is going to help new users overcome the Wikimarkup barrier; how will it do that without being able to edit elements that use complex markup? Inexperienced editors are not having trouble adding links, section headings, or basic text. They have trouble formatting references, editing transcluded content, adding lines to tables...all the stuff VisualEditor can't do. The current version is an interesting prototype, not a useful product.
Thatotherperson (
talk/
contribs) 11:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Secondly, the user needs to be able to insert wiki code into the edit window in the way they always have. Remember, the various codes like [[link]], '''bold''', {{template}}
use characters that are unlikely ever to occur in the text of an article, so the edit system should silently accept them and save them, not surround them with nowiki tags.
The software needs to comply with these basic requirements, along with several others like proper support for cites/references and templates, before there can be any serious roll-out to users other than volunteer testers. If this means 3 or 6 months so be it. Sussexonian ( talk) 21:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
No idea if this has been brought up but this. It seems to have a problem with image templates.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 21:31, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to add one image and replace anotherone both did not succeed. [19]. Also how are the suggested items choosen? It seems every image which just contains the word Dublin anywhere on the description site on commons comes up. better just use the Category. -- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
See down the bottom of this edit, line 791? I didn't make that change, VE decided to do it - David Gerard ( talk) 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
When you get to the final stage, and you review your changes, and you realise VE has turned the article into guacamole, and you've already reported the bug in question ... a cancel button right there would be a very good thing to do. The impression it would give a n00b is "hah, no way out! You can only review it again, or save!" - David Gerard ( talk) 20:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Sure, change is scary, and not everyone (myself included) is entirely comfortable with it, but you guys are doing a great job, especially now that we can edit templates. (Very cool for tables, by the way...except they're pretty easy to break if you delete a cell.) I think this is a huge leap forward, and will open Wikipedia to a much wider base of would-be editors. Thank you for all your hard work! ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 01:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
This is what happened when I tried to do a relatively minor copyedit to Daimler Company with VisualEditor: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daimler_Company&diff=560605619&oldid=560594194
...and this is what I had to do to correct it: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daimler_Company&diff=next&oldid=560605619
Besides which, is Wikimedia sure that a feature that makes it easier to add content and harder to add citations is a step in the right direction?
Sincerely, SamBlob ( talk) 11:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
If you enter, for instance, "Welcome" in the new template box, on clicking "Apply changes" you see the result; but if you enter "subst:welcome" you see only {{subst:welcome}}, though after clicking "Save page" the result is correct. Should there be a check-box for "subst" in the New template dialogue, (a) to save typing it out, (b) to arrange the correct display? JohnCD ( talk) 11:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
This is different from "Removing template leaves detritus" six items above: this time, the template I added was subst-ed, so the "Remove template" dialogue was not available. To try to remove it, I dragged the cursor across to select the whole line and pressed "delete", but the HTML comments included in the template were not deleted. JohnCD ( talk) 11:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Look very good! I would like it more if the parameters would appear in the order they are in the template rather than alphabetically for intance in in Ethanol the image parameters in the info box are split up because of that also often the parameters are in the order of the rows in the Infobox to make the easier to find and or identify.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 13:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
[20]-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
And another pawn here. I had cut and pasted a single word of hyperlinked text. NtheP ( talk) 15:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Visual editing will be a handicap, similar to a graphical user interface (GUI) over a command line interpreter. It is far more expeditious and flexible to type what is intended rather than to click and poke, which requires considerable manual dexterity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roesser ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Trying to strip superfluous sections or space off the end of a page fails to leave an empty line between the last visible text and wikimarkup (categories, persondata, et cetera). See this diff [21] and this diff [22]. This is only a problem in VE because the things at the end are invisible- an editor can't tell if there is markup there or not. A412 ( Talk • C) 16:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I opened my user page in the Visual Editor - and found that an image I'd linked from the page displayed, large, wrecking the layout. Perhaps the link to it is non-standard, but I've happily read and edited that page for years with that link " pictured" with no problems. The wikicode is [[:Image:Flag of Wales 2.svg|pictured]] . Pam D 16:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
An erroneous [edit] link appears in the Visual Editor.
Steps to reproduce:
A412 ( Talk • C) 17:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
After clicking "Save page", if you happen to click outside the "Describe what you changed" box, e.g. in the WP search box just above it (quite a likely mistake, I have done it more than once) or in the article text area, the "Describe what you changed" box locks and you cannot edit there. You can get out of that by clicking "Review changes" and then "Return to save form", but it's irritating. JohnCD ( talk) 18:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I tried the editor on Craig Short but parts of the text is hidden behind the infobox so you cannot really edit the page. Using Firefox 21.0. Keith D ( talk) 21:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The bold/italics/apostrophes in the lead section of Flaming Pie looks just fine when reading the article, but click Edit and you'll see that the VisualEditor doesn't display the bold/italics/apostrophes properly. GoingBatty ( talk) 00:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I tried to edit mw:Help:VisualEditor/FAQ using the VisualEditor, I noticed two things:
please [[<tvar|bugreport>Special:MyLanguage/How to report a bug</>|report the issue in bugzilla]] in the [<tvar|bugzilla>https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=VisualEditor</> "VisualEditor" product]
</translate>↵<translate>
GoingBatty ( talk) 01:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
How exactly can I add new table rows in a table? -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 03:01, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
So I decided to test the Visual Editor again today, and seeing the new template editor, I'm impressed. I just wish you didn't have to go to a separate tab to edit each parameter, this can get really annoying for templates like {{ IPAc-en}}. Also, for some reason, it only works for a few common templates like {{ taxobox}} or {{ main}}. I see no reason why it wouldn't work for more obscure templates, but I'm not a coder.
A few visual design quibbles:
Either that or make these things that can be changed through personal CSS. — Kelvinsong ( talk) 14:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
So I work often on fixing links to disambiguation pages. Is it somehow possible to find in a big page the link that is piped to a specific page? because Firefox only looks for the lable.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
As an editor of technical articles not being able to edit formulas in the visual editor is an issue. There should be a small window opening when you click on top of a formula to see the LaTex source for editing. That would be fantastic. sanpaz ( talk) 04:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I reverted this [23] edit to Jasper Fforde, partly because of the poor spelling (instalment has only one 'l' in UK English, and 'Uniteed' States is clearly wrong) and the overlinking but also because of parts of the edit which may be due to VE - note the change to "[[Parody|<nowiki/>]][[parody]]" and "[[The Guardian|''The '']]''[[Guardian]]''". It's difficult to tell whether these were genuine mistakes by the editor or caused by VE, but I suspect the latter simply because the wiki markup is all over the place - unless, maybe, said editor is entering the markup manually? Stephenb (Talk) 06:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can see, if I want to replace {{ stub}} by {{ Italy-saint-stub}} or {{ 1970s-rock-album-stub}} I've got to do two separate operations, one to remove a transclusion and one to add a new one. Very tedious, for those of us who sort hundreds of stubs. Have I missed something, or is it going to be OK in future version, ... or will VE make life more difficult for stub-sorters? Pam D 15:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
It's also very tedious to have to go through the "click at bottom of article, click on transclusion icon at top, wait" routine several times when adding more than one stub template. Couldn't there be a "add another transclusion" option? And, they get added on the same line, where they ought each to be on a separate line. See this edit.
On the other hand, the drop-down menu of templates is a great help, thanks. It would be even better if there was an option to only see the templates with names ending in "-stub"! And now I've done for a while, after this flurry of feedback, as Mother wants her tea! Pam D 17:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When editing an article with maintenance tags, perhaps under a "multiple issues" wrapper, they display looking very similar to article text. Could they be boxed round as in the actual article display, to help distinguish them from the actual article content? See Virivilai for an example of the effect. Pam D 16:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
There seems no way to see the categories while editing an article? Or is that "coming soon"? Pam D 16:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC+1)
When I edited Ordric to remove {{ stub}}, this lot got inserted:
Messy. Pam D 17:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The Page Settings box displays the article title as a default "Defaultsort". But it doesn't seem possible to edit it: typing any letters removes the whole existing text, while trying to delete a few characters has no effect. Where the sort key is not identical to the article title it's usually a variation of it - delete a leading "The ", or move the given name from start to end. It's a waste to have to retype it all: we ought to be able to edit that box. (I'm using Firefox 21.0, in case that's significant). Pam D 18:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The article I was editing had a blank line between {{ reflist}} and the catetories, and another between the categories and the stub templates. I wanted to add an "External links" section and found it difficult. I typed "External links", highlighted and clicked to get it as H2, but then couldn't add anything below. Went back and undid the H2, added blank lines below, then re-H2'd it, add EL section... and it all came out as H2. Then gave up, saved edit, and re-edited in "Edit source" to clean up (as I've done with every recent VE edit, given the garbage that VE produces when I remove a stub template!).
I had an earlier problem trying to add an "Italic title" template to the top of an article - it appeared in the midst of the lead sentence.
So as a generic problem: it's not easy to insert new headings or templates into the right place.
I like the idea of VE, and the dropdown menus of templates, but it's proving very hard work to use it at present. Pam D 20:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
@Okeyes: further up the page I asked about a basic user guide and you said it was on your to-do list. Good, but two comments:
JohnCD ( talk) 22:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The Ctrl-C problem (reported above under "Shortcuts keys - Firefox 17.0.1 (Windows)") was supposed to have been fixed with Bugzilla 49816 but I still find, when copying/pasting formatted text in VE Edit mode (Windows 7, Firefox 21.0) that while right-click+copy, cut, paste behave as expected,
JohnCD ( talk) 20:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Noticed while editing in sandbox, but easily replicated: A | character gets added each time the article is edited: [24] and [25]. Edgepedia ( talk) 19:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
While I'm editing an article, or more especially a dab page, I may well want to see where the links go. The lead sentence shown on mouseover from an article, or from the old edit system, usually gives enough info to upgrade a dab page entry without having to open the whole article. In VE, I can only see the article title. That's a real negative. Is it a temporary bug? I hope so! Pam D 19:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I open Eye of the Beast (2007 film), the title of the infobox appears as "<th colspan=2 class=summary ... [etc etc]" (can't copy it to paste here), spread across full width of screen. It's {{ Infobox television film}}. There doesn't look to be anything strange about the infobox. Pam D 21:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
VisualEditor contains errors concerning spacing between stubs and categories, stubs and references, and hatnotes, etc. and infoboxes. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 21:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I try to use VisualEditor to edit some articles such as Yellow Submarine (song) or Eleanor Rigby, I get an error stating "Error loading data from server: parsoidserver-http-bad-status: 500. Would you like to retry?" However, I don't get this error on other articles such as Wilmington, Delaware. I get the error on Windows 7 with IE10 and Firefox 21. GoingBatty ( talk) 23:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Consecutive images are not rendered properly while editing and disabled for editing. List_of_death_deities and Kaveri (right-aligned images shown as left-aligned in editing). -- Redtigerxyz Talk 07:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Kedarnath Temple: infobox covers part of lead while editing. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 08:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Can not move cursor by mouse in edit summary text box. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 08:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I made this edit in "Edit Source" because I couldn't see how to do it in VE. I don't want to have to retype a whole hatnote just to add an extra couple of un-named parameters. Am I missing something, or is VE missing something? Pam D 13:05, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
When inserting a link to Hawaii with the text Hawaiian, it did not simplify the link to ((Hawaii))an. Is this going to be fixed? autoED fixes that kind of thing pretty readily, as does AWB. Many thanks. Jamesx12345 ( talk) 21:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Starting with this test page in edit mode, I selected everything above "Second L2 header" by putting the cursor at top left and dragging it down to the start of the "Second L2 header" line. Then I did right-click/copy, placed the cursor at the bottom of the page, and did right-click/paste. The result was this: everything has copied correctly except that the first header is no longer a header. The diff shows that the == == have been removed from it, and a mysterious ==<nowiki/>== has appeared at the bottom. I have tried other variations and the results are consistent: the top header loses its == == and ==<nowiki/>== is added at the bottom of the pasted section. JohnCD ( talk) 21:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
When trying to edit a translucion of {{ commons category}} to add a parameter the box put up is blank and does not allow you to do anything. Keith D ( talk) 00:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
When editing an article using {{ sfn}} references, {{sfn|Smith|1990|p=20}} is now expanded into something like <ref name="FOOTNOTESmith199020">[[#CITEREFSmith1990|Smith 1990]], p. 20.<ref>
However, it appears I cannot yet edit these references with the visual editor. This stops any serious use (i.e. testing) of the editor, even on drafts in user space. Edgepedia ( talk) 14:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
These are some minor graphical/usability glitches that someone else may have mentioned but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else. These are all in Firefox 21.0.
AioftheStorm ( talk) 22:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit: Additionally, deleting the header led to VE
deleting the text of the header and replacing it with a nowiki tag, creating a
floating, invisible, header.
AioftheStorm (
talk) 23:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
On this simple test page, if I wish to add something at the top, I put the cursor at top left, just left of the "H" in "Header", and press "Enter". The page moves down, as expected, but the cursor is left to the right of the H.
Pressing the "Up" key now moves the cursor to the start of the line above, as expected, but anything else, like pressing "Backspace" to undo the initial "Return" does not work as it should.
Once having got the cursor up to the top line, pressng "Delete" moves everything back up as expected, but also de-headers the header line, like this. JohnCD ( talk) 22:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I just changed "32" to "35" on one of my user pages. [26] VisualEditor also saw fit to hack my signature further down the page. Maybe that's why it took so long. (I thought it was editing the whole internet) -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 08:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
"{{cite book"
strangely turned into <span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser%3AWhatamidoing+%28WMF%29%2Fsandbox&rft.aufirst=Adrian&rft.au
. I also got a rather unhelpful error message, "Error saving data to server: error." But it silently saved the page, although it didn't exit edit mode. This is repeatable; the
second edit produced the same error about not being able to save while saving the page anyway. However, it's not consistent, because
the third similar change produced no errors.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 08:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)I think many People sayed that before but for me an beta version is a software which does the essential things its made for but may have bigger errors. Adding an row to a table is one essential thing. If you are really going to deploy in July you will annoy a lot of people especially if it replaces the normal edit mode in any respect. What about the Combination Alt+Shift+E will it open the "normal" edit mode or the source code what about the hundreds of userscripts which most of the time will do things which are not supported by the new editor by then. So far >50% of my tries I could not do what I wanted to and I only tried the simple things. After so many year why the hurry?-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 13:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Initial thoughts: At the moment I'm used to typing {{convert|100|mi}} to use a template. While the new UI is good for newbies or unfamiliar templates when template metadata is working, it's slower because I have to move my hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back again. Any keyboard shortcuts? Also if I select a template and press control-x, surely that should cut it into the paste buffer? Edgepedia ( talk) 16:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Edgepedia ( talk) 17:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Also tried to move a section heading using cntl-x and ctrl-v here Edgepedia ( talk) 19:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
After I press save, many pages look different than when I refresh the page afterwards:
-- WS ( talk) 11:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
After checking, I see both first two condition already appear at step 2, but they persist after saving and only return to normal after refresh. -- WS ( talk) 12:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
With this edit, the first time I have dared to use VE on a live article, I intended to remove the PROD template (which I did not find easy or intuitive - I will explore that further and comment separately) and add a "notability" template (which went fine). However, VE also took out an infobox. JohnCD ( talk) 20:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:ORDER the stub tag or tags should go after everything else, but when I removed a {{ stub}} tag and added first a specific stub tag and then a category to an article, VE added the category after the stub tag. Pam D 21:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The {{ Userspace draft}} template is designed to display differently depending on the type of page it is on. When using VE to add it to a user sub-page, clicking "Apply changes" shows the "This page is a new unreviewed article... " version appropriate to a mainspace article page, but when the page is saved, what appears is the correct "This is not a Wikipedia article: it is an individual user's work in progress page... " version appropriate to a user page. JohnCD ( talk) 22:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure whether this is a visualeditor or chrome bug: whenever I try to cut & paste the commons category template, it crashes the chrome tab at the moment of pressing command/x. Ran into this on Pancytopenia, but it happens on any page using this template. It does not happen with any other template that I have tried. This is on Chrome 28 on mac, on safari it works fine. -- WS ( talk) 11:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
The list in Avatar: Dasam Granth not visible for editing-- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This edit was intended to just change one link in the intro paragraph: not only did it not do so correctly, it also made spurious edits througout the rest of the article.
One way to catch this for debugging purposes would be for the VisualEditor to make a note at tuntime of which sections of the article have been edited visually, for the JS code to report this to the server at save time, and then to check on the server side which sections of the article have changed in the wikitext diff. If (a) the section structure of the article remains unchanged from before the edit, and (b) there are wikitext differences in sections that have not been changed by the editor in visual mode, then something's clearly gone wrong, and the edit session should be auto-reported to the programming team. (Please don't try to use this idea as an error concealment technique: these errors shouldn't occur, as every one of them reveals some sort of bug, either in the code or the data model, and hiding them would make the software more, rather than less brittle.)
As ever, please keep up the good work: this is intended as constructive criticism, not an attack, you're making fantastic progress on solving a very difficult and ill-defined problem with hundreds, if not thousands, of awkward corner cases, and I'm impressed by how much the VisualEditor has improved in recent weeks. -- The Anome ( talk) 11:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to add {{in title|pork}} to Pork (disambiguation), but can't see how to do it in VE (now done it in Edit Source). Similar problem to the hatnote issue above, but simpler. Pam D 16:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Starting with this test page in edit mode, as in the test above, I again selected everything above "Second L2 header" by putting the cursor at top left and dragging it down to the start of the "Second L2 header" line. Then I did right-click/copy and in a new, empty test page in "Create" mode did right-click/paste. The result was this - all formatting lost. JohnCD ( talk) 21:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
In this edit to insert a dash the editor incorrectly removed the terminating bold marks earlier in the article. Keith D ( talk) 00:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Riddle me this - when I went to add italics to
Riddler in
this edit, why did VisualEditor try to add <nowiki>...</nowiki>
to the infobox? Also, the {{
unreferenced section}} template does not display properly in VisualEditor mode. Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 03:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Red article links should be disabled in red in edit mode. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
News item for those who only read the bottom of this page and may have missed an update half-way up: the long-awaited User Guide for VE is under development at mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide. Thanks, Maggie! JohnCD ( talk) 10:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
While making
this edit to
CBS Studio Center, I was surprised to see that the entire bulleted list of TV shows can only be edited with markup, even inside the VisualEditor. The list is contained between a pair of column-sorting templates – {{div col|colwidth=21em}} and {{div col end}} – which VE treats as one transclusion. Everything in between the two templates can only be edited by opening the transclusion editor and clicking on the "Content" tab, at which point you are given the exact same raw code to edit as if you had opened the source editor (except it takes several extra clicks to get there and the editing window is much smaller). Obviously I don't mind having to use markup, but it's going to be a problem for all those newbies VE is supposed to recruit.
Thatotherperson (
talk/
contribs) 10:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Although
mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide states "In general, VisualEditor should never make changes to formatting on lines that are not being directly edited", it does this often. For example, in
this edit to change some digits to text in
Joe Flacco, VE removed </div>
.
GoingBatty (
talk) 13:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>...</nowiki>
tags, and changed spacing.
GoingBatty (
talk) 18:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Sumali: When I removed category, after saving the category was not displayed as removed. After doing refresh manually, change was reflected. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I see that the VisualEditor has a new button for editing references. What is the button image supposed to be? I had to rely on the mouseover to discover what it was. I thought I'd try it out on
Joe Flacco by changing the date format on reference #26. I went into Edit mode, went to the "2012 season: Super Bowl MVP" section and noticed that some references displayed as [25] while others displayed as [25]. Also, what is marked as #26 in Read mode is marked as #24 in Edit mode. I highlighted [24] and the Reference button appeared, so I clicked on it. The Reference content window appeared, and when I clicked on the reference, it was highlighted in blue and a new button appeared in the bottom right, but there was no icon on the button and clicking it didn't do anything. Instead, I clicked on the Transclusion button in the toolbar, changed the date parameter, clicked Apply Changes, another Apply Changes, and Save page. Although the reference change in
this edit was great, the change also incorrectly added <nowiki>...</nowiki>
tags in the infobox, so I reverted the change.
GoingBatty (
talk) 14:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
<ref>
and {{
sfn}}. However, in VE edit mode, it appears that the <ref>
references are numbered separately and formatted differently than those with {{
sfn}}. Another implication of this is that I can't seem to figure out how to edit reference #5 (Dominic Pedler. The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles. Music Sales Limited. Omnibus Press. NY. 2003. pp435-437). Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 23:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Is there any way to get HTML comments (<!--...-->) to show up when editing? In the current system, these are used quite frequently, yet there appears to be no alternative in Visual Editor at this time:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE- WPWA- MFIC 15:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Is anyone aware of any issues when Dot's Syntax Highlighter (a gadget available under editing in your preferences) and the Visual Editor are both enabled? It seems like these two would interfere with each other, and probably shouldn't be enabled simultaneously. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 15:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit Kartik Poornima: References I see 4 columns: refs 1-4; 8-12, 5-7; 12 contd. - 16 -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:34, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Chiranjivi: I pressed Delete after "Chiranjeevinaha[citation needed]", however the quote disappeared (as though backspace was used) and the undo was also not working.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I can't seem to leave an edit summary with VisualEditor. Maybe I'm just being stupid? King Jakob C2 18:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Is VisualEditor in alpha or beta testing? Although this page requests feedback for alpha testing and Wikipedia:VisualEditor states beta testing is scheduled for July, the VisualEditor itself says "BETA". Note that it's not obvious that "BETA" is also a button to submit feedback. GoingBatty ( talk) 18:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd never have expected to find the "Feedback" button hidden under "BETA", until seeing someone mention it on this page. Could it be made more obvious? Perhaps rename the "BETA" button as "Feedback"? Pam D 19:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
This might have been mentioned
up the page, but I'm not sure if it's the same thing: In
this edit, besides doing nice things (like removing duplicate images in the infobox) and meh things (like changing <ref name=foo />
to <ref name="foo"></ref>
), VisualEditor also removed an HTML comment in the infobox. This seems to be in line with the "get rid of whitespace in infoboxes" that it was also doing, but comments should be exempted from that, I'm thinking.
Ignatz
mice•
talk 19:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
When I added a couple of External links, VE decided to alter a repeated reference elsewhere in the article from <ref name=uhmb /> to <ref name="uhmb"></ref>. Not an improvement: I always choose reference names without spaces so that I don't need to use quotes round them, and I've always understood it to be correct to close the ref tag within the one occurrence (as shown in Help:Citing_sources#Repeated_citations). VE's version is very clunky, and a long way from the lines I was editing. It should not be making this change. Pam D 20:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting timeouts again ("Error saving data to server: timeout.") reviewing or saving on OpenOffice. This is still a thing that should never, ever, happen. Is there any way to measure where the time is going? - David Gerard ( talk) 21:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I have just enabled VisualEditor and made my first edit ( [29]). I was updating a section further down the page but the editor made some bot-like formatting changes further up the page without me knowing. These were useful changes, but I didn't know it was doing them. Cloudbound ( talk) 22:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
On my small computer (1024X600), the save page and review changes boxes appear very small with not very legible text, making it almost impossible to write an edit summary and see wikitext changes, as if it is scaled to the computer's screen size. This appears to be a recent change, as it worked fine as recently as yesterday:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE- WPWA- MFIC 02:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to add Demolition (1978 film) to a dab page, with the film name formatted. I italicised the name, then made the link. VE made two separate links: ''[[Demolition (1978 film)|Demolition]]''[[Demolition (1978 film)| (1978 film)]]. Not what I intended. Pam D 08:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Pam D 13:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I decided to experiment with VE in my sandbox ... and {{ User sandbox}} which starts off "This is the user sandbox of PamD..." is displaying in non-roman characters (Japanese?) and has the name "Ichiro Kikuchi". Disconcerting. Pam D 13:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey all. We're looking to start the A/B test in a couple of hours. My sincere apologies for the short notice :/. If you notice any new bugs, or any substantial problems, please bring them to us as soon as possible so we can resolve them; we'll be monitoring the situation closely and will be able (and willing!) to disable it or put the test off if there's something big that needs resolving. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 15:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
visualeditor
into the "Tag filter" box. —
This, that and
the other (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, on my user sandbox page, I'm trying to edit a citation so it links to http://example.com, but VisualEditor doesn't detect the edit, as I can't click the 'Save page' button. Thanks for any help. Insulam Simia ( talk/ contribs) 17:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
This test just now is a repeat of one I reported earlier, where copying a block of content "de-headered" the top header and added a supurious ==<nowiki/>== at the bottom. What I did not notice then was that in the third line, where the word "both" had five apostrophe characters each side to make it bold and italic, VE has stripped off three of them after the word. The effect is that the following words "at once" appear in bold. What is odd is that after doing the copy-paste, "at once" does not appear in bold; that only happens after the page is saved.
I then tried to make a simpler demonstration to show this effect, but here where I copied and pasted a single demonstration sentence within the same page to show the effect, I didn't get it; instead, all the formatting was lost.
All I can say is, VE's handling of formatting when copying and pasting is unpredictable. JohnCD ( talk) 19:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Edited Graphene. Selected and cut section headed Transistors. Page crashed. Tried to reproduce on Firefox nightly. No crash. Lfstevens ( talk) 19:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
If, when editing a page with a large template like {{ prod}} or {{ db-person}}, you click on the template, it is covered by a blue highlight, but so also is a separate broad, shallow rectangle at top left of the page. I found this disconcerting when I began experimenting with templates, though it doesn't seem to do any harm. It does not happen with a smaller template like {{ notability}}. JohnCD ( talk) 19:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I know it was mentioned before but I don't know if it's the same bug (or bug at all) since the other user was saying that it was happening while using Italics or Bold format.
When I am writing an article and I want to add a name-link, I click CTRL+K so that the link box appear. When it appears, I type the name there, I am choosing it from the list and click enter. But when I click enter, the name appears twice on the article.
This doesn't happen when I type the name regularly, highlight it and then CTRL+K to make it a link. TeamGale ( talk) 20:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
This "problem" is solved! :)) Thanks everyone for all the work you are doing. We really appreciate it. TeamGale ( talk) 18:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Two attempts to edit this page produced: "Error loading data from server: parsoidserver-http-bad-status: 404. Would you like to retry?" JohnCD ( talk) 22:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
When I've been using VE, I've been saving my changes and then reviewing the page history to see exactly how VE updated the code. From now on, I'll be clicking the "Review your changes" button, so I can see exactly what VE will be changing before choosing to click "Save page". GoingBatty ( talk) 23:34, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. This edit didn't go too well. I only intended to do this, but it resulted in this, with the whole first paragraph appearing in bold text. Regards, Mathonius ( talk) 00:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Something similar happened to me here SPat talk 04:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Making this edit, it did something really odd (I can't figure out what) which made almost all of the links in the navbox pop out of the table and above the header. Also, the header text disappeared. Very strange...:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 02:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When trying to make "Convair 440s" point to Convair 440, it added the wikitext [[Convair 440|<nowiki/>]][[Convair 440s|Convair 440]][[Convair 440s|s]]. Boy, Visual Editor HATES plural links:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 02:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
As I was editing History of Delta Air Lines, I noticed that when there are multiple images in a row at the start of a section, such as the sections "1960s and 1970s" and "Merger with Northwest Airlines", they show up at the top, not their actual positions, and they are not editable, with diagonal green stripes covering them. All the other images are normal:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 02:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Could we please add a countdown to the current
watchlist notice that says something like "The default editor will switch to the Visual Editor in ___ days"
so that people will know when it's going to happen? or tentatively scheduled to happen Thanks.
64.40.54.119 (
talk) 03:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
In the article History of Delta Air Lines, every time I edit it [30] [31] [32] it adds a | to the end of the link:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 04:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice to be able to remove bold or italics with the same button used to add them, like in many programs, for example Microsoft Word:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 04:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Probably related to some of the problems mentioned above, but here I wanted to change [[Portsoy]] to [[Grange]]. Changing the link target is easy, it's not so changing the displayed text. Edgepedia ( talk) 11:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh, another complaint I like to file is that I can't highlight and drag text to another location in the article, meaning I have to cut and paste it. This is annoying since I prefer using the first method. Insulam Simia ( talk/ contribs) 15:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried the visual editor because I want to be helpful, but I could figure out how to add a {{cn}} tag, so I went back to the editor I've been using since 2006. Leadwind ( talk) 17:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
All of these are this edit for reference.
1= = content
, instead of 1=content
.Sorry if these have been known already, just reporting my experiences. Charmlet ( talk) 20:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
One more - Heading 6 produces (if my eyes don't fail me) the same as bold in appearance, so new editors may feel it's okay to just use bold. Maybe a distinguishing feature could be added in VE to make it obvious it does more than just bold? Charmlet ( talk) 20:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When I made this edit
[34], it turned {{Chicago Blackhawks roster}}
into {{Chicago Blackhawks rost
, even though I wasn't editing anywhere near that section.
Hue
Sat
Lum 22:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When I click on a picture, the vertical rectangle with the picture icon appears, but it is not clickable. Instead of the mouse acting like it is a link (showing a hand icon), the mouse icon just wants to move the image (showing as 4 arrows). (Firefox 21, Windows 7):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 00:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
I tried to edit Liste des plus gros succès du box-office en France on frwiki, and found a few problems :
-- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 02:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be very nice if the linking dialog would prevent you from linking to an disambiguation page or at least give you an idication that you are about to do so and you normally should choose a better target.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 11:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
In de:wikipedia there is also this gadget which highlights them [35] I think based on the index. So the tech is already there but I don't know how expensiv does not seem to slow things down to much even with the sites in the fixing project like this [36] which consist mostly of disambiguation links.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 15:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Sounds a really useful suggestion - though not "prevent" but "warn strongly against and need a conscious decision to proceed with" or similar: people editing dab pages or hatnotes need to be able to link to dab pages deliberately sometimes. Pam D 15:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I can see categories when I read an article. I can see them below the editing paraphernalia when I'm in Edit Source. But in VE I can only see them by clicking "Page Settings", which (a) takes a click and (b) means I can't see any of the article content (eg the hard-to-remember-the-spelling district name, the birth date, etc which I might want to use in creating categories, having seen that they aren't already there). Please display the categories in or around the article, not just as "Page settings". Pam D 13:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I made comments a week ago about Functional Specifications and testing schedules which have now scrolled off this page- and a lot of hard work has been done since on exception debugging. I am still not willing to opt into this software while it is so flakey and producing so many fatal side effects. Obviously it is a brilliant aspiration and obviously a lot of us are going to have to spend a lot of time cleaning up pages where it has been used. If I am working with newbies- the principle function I need is {{ sfn}} {{ efn}} and associated referencing tools. As this software can't do that- can I suggest an easy damage limitation measure.
Thatotherperson
talk
Thatotherperson
contribs 05:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Working on R. G. Allen:
Will continue...
Will try another stub, Mario Gutierez ...
Try again: Eugene Lies, very similar stub to R G Allen above:
{{subst:L|missing|missing|Lies, Eugene}} " I've set up the birth and death date categories and the defaultsort. I want to be able to do so in VE with as little effort, please! (Usually there'd be years in there instead of "missing": I do this sort of fix again and again while stub-sorting, as a quick way to add three enhancements to any biog article which lacks them - and to add Category:Living people if the death date is empty.)
Will try once more to identify the stage at which Page Settings jams: Charles H. Johnson
I hope this is useful (and apologies if it's all old bugs already in Bugzilla) - will leave in all the above stream-of-consciousness stuff as it shows various aspects of the VE which, to my mind, still need fixing. Good luck with it all - a few aspects are really nice, but a whole lot aren't (yet). Pam D 14:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
The wikilink for "Seistani" in the first line of Gondophares was muddled before, but this attempt to fix it using VE made things worse, because it resulted in "nowiki" tags being placed around the whole phrase, so that subsequent attempts to sort the link out got nowhere. I think adding "nowiki" tags round VE attempts at Wikimarkup probably does more harm than good. JohnCD ( talk) 21:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
So I tried adding a referenced sentence to an article. The edit worked perfectly, so that's good. The interface to enter the parameters was just terrible. Click to add a parameter, click to enter parameter name ... click again to enter a value. How do I add another one? Oh, I click back to the template name. Click to add a parameter, click to ... whoops, put the value in first, that's wrong ... etc. Repeat for each parameter. It was like a command-line enthusiast's parody of GUI interfaces.
Surely a less terrible interface for entering parameter-value pairs is possible? What others were considered? Is this written up anywhere? - David Gerard ( talk) 22:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Earlier, it said, for example, "Heading 1". Now it says "<visualeditor-formatdropdown-format-mw-heading1>". (Note:this is only with the headings, "paragraph" and "preformatted" still work):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 00:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It would seem that the section editing links have been changed again. However, this change isn't really working right. When I mouse over the [edit] link by a section heading, it changes to be 2 links-probably intended. Unfortunately, these are "edit" (pointing to what is otherwise "edit source", so vague) and "<visualeditor-ca-editsource-section>" (clearly not what was intended):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 00:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Perkūnas was flagged in category:Missing redirects. Looking at the edit history, the last editor replaced the good hatnote
which is incorrect because Perkele doesn't redirect to the article, there is another article with that title. So I use VE to "remove" that parameter, and it does not remove it, rather it replaces it with a null first parameter.
Oh, I see. I need to:
Hmmm confusing, the Save button wouldn't work, though it didn't seem to be greyed out. But the "Restore" button did work. So now we're making some artificial distinction between save and restore? BTW, along the way I ran into this error:
Of course, retrying rarely helps with such messages. Wbm1058 ( talk) 02:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I see that to add an "unnamed" first parameter, you have to name it "1". I'll bet a lot of editors haven't figured out that unnamed parameters really do have names ;) Wbm1058 ( talk) 02:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I've made a proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Change the "Edit" tab to "Edit source" in all namespaces. and at MediaWiki talk:Edit#2013 update - change to "Edit source", that admins/devs here might be able to help with, or give input on. Thanks. – Quiddity ( talk) 05:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
If I edit even a short article like Edson Leal Pujol but happen to be looking at the bottom of the article when I hit "Save page", the box for the edit summary is largely hidden under the top bar with the editing buttons on it. I have to scroll all the way to the top of the article for the dialogue box to be usable. I can't click and drag it into a more useful place. This is irritating. (Using Firefox on a laptop, if that's relevant).
And within that box, the "upwards arrow" is a bit cryptic for "How do I get out of this without saving the page?" (eg if on looking at the changes made I want to change them... though it's usually easier to just save the page and then sort out the damage in Edit Source!) Could we have "Return to editing" perhaps?
The idea that half of new editors are being thrown into VE is somewhat scary, it's still got so many unresolved quirks. It will be fascinating to see the results, whether this has a higher or lower retention rate. Good luck! Pam D 13:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Trying to edit the microbe article's see also section in VE, but the list appears condensed to the point of being unreadable. Also, the bar at the top with bold, italics, etc, is transparent. The See Also bulleted list is enclosed with {{Div col|cols=3}}{{Div col end}}. I am using FireFox 21.0, Mac OS X 10.6.8. AioftheStorm ( talk) 00:06, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Just turned on VE to create a redirect LeeStock. So I figured out how to use the button to create LeeStock without it getting no-wiki'd -- but can't figure out how to stop no-wiki on the #REDIRECT. Not that I've ever seen the text string #REDIRECT as part of a normal English article. Don't want to "cheat" by going to the "edit source" tab. Wbm1058 ( talk) 00:20, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, fine, I cheated ;) Now I want to do a null edit on LeeStock Music Festival to remove it from Category:Missing redirects. I figured it out with some effort. At first the "Save page" button is "greyed out" (or whatever the technical term for that is) so I can't click it. So I type a character, then backspace, to "trick it" into enabling the button. I click "Review Your changes" and it thinks about it for a while, then comes back with "Could not start the review because your revision matches the latest version of this page." OK, let's skip the "review" and just Save it. Thinks awhile, then comes back with "Your changes to LeeStock Music Festival have been saved." Voila. It's gone form the category :) Wbm1058 ( talk) 01:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
If an image or template is partially covered by the header bar, the blue box goes over the header and you can not click the buttons under/over it:Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 03:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
After this edit, I tried to do the same using the VisualEditor.
Thanks, getting a lot better. Edgepedia ( talk) 06:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Once I thought perhaps I'd done something wrong, but second time I'm sure it's VE: it's adding a ":" before the Categories I'm adding, to make them into links to the category rather than real categories. I think I've successfully added categories before... but perhaps I haven't! Pam D 08:49, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that if I make a word into link and then italiced it, then I get something like [Defiance (TV series)|"Defiance"] for a link. When I italice the word and then make it a link, I get "[Defiance (TV series)|Defiance]". P.S. I used only one pair of [] here, so it won't turn into a link.
The final result is the same but, it just looked weird the first time I saw it on "Preview". You can see what I mean
here The first is italiced after linked and the second before.
TeamGale (
talk) 09:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Mitochondrial DNA is a completely normal article that under the visual editor turns weird— see.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 14:40, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed a round-tripping error with italics and subscripts here. What was once
becomes
— Carl ( CBM · talk) 15:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't work well on mobile devices. -- evrik ( talk) 17:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this, but I just experimented with the VE in my sandbox; here are some of my thoughts (NB: Copied from User talk:NYKevin/Sandbox; experiment was on the corresponding subject page):
{{cite foo}}
templates, which typically have a whole bunch of parameters.
<nowiki>
tags. These tags were visible in the transclusion UI upon editing again, making me concerned that saving may not be
idempotent in this case. Even if it is, the template only looked right in the editor, not on the live page.<references />
), and that doesn't work.<noinclude></noinclude>
, which puzzles me as there seems to be no purpose for it. The only explanation I can think of is leftovers from the previous version, since I didn't manually blank the page before experimenting (instead, I used VE to erase everything, then directly began editing). Certainly VE has no business playing with noinclude, since it probably won't be active in the Template namespace for quite some time, if ever.#foo
instead of # foo
; the former looks sloppy to my eye.If this is too sloppily organized, or too verbose, or the wrong format entirely, sorry about that. -- N Y Kevin 18:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I am sure it has been thought of, but I couldn't find any mention of it in the roadmaps or in bugzilla: can the cite book/news/website/journal templates be integrated with the reference functionality? And please together with the autofill functionality for isbns/pmids/dois. That would make life/referencing so much easier. -- WS ( talk) 19:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
A non-breaking space was lost here. Edgepedia ( talk) 20:49, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I added {{ italic title}} to Pompidou (TV series), and it had no visible effect - I checked to see that I'd added the template OK and yes, it showed up in "See your changes", but was still displaying vertical. I saved the page, still vertical. I clicked on "Edit source", and it went into italics. Cancelled the edit, and it's still nicely in italics. Opened it in VE again, and it still shows in italics.
But I've have expected the title to display in italics in VE the moment I'd applied that template. And most certainly to do so after I saved the page.
Tried again: Donald's Double Trouble:
{{
italic title}}
in VE - no change to displayed titlePam D 22:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Having finally (see above) found out how to add what would have been {{subst:L|1985||Kurak, Adam}} to Adam Kurak, laboriously, click by click, I then Saved the page... and the categories weren't shown. When I reopened the page in another tab, Category: 1985 births and Category:Living people were both listed properly. This feels a bit similar to the italic title problem I found earlier - VE making changes but not displaying them after "Save page". I've had the same effect trying subst:L on my sandbox, so it's reproducible. Pam D 23:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit source by section is great. But I think it's knocked out the Hot Cat functionality on my last 2 category edits-- the little plus signs weren't there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djembayz ( talk • contribs)
I've come across an issue where highlighting and deleting text doesn't remove the text and causes the cursor to jump and delete part of a non-highlighted word. It works after three or four tries. Also, I can't highlight and delete text in the edit summary.
Teammm
talk
email 01:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Will there be the dropdown choice of recently used edit summaries which we get at present? For WikiGnomes, who do the same sort of edit repeatedly, it's really useful - can include links to project pages or WP policies, etc; my most regular one being "Stub-sorting ( you can help!)", which I wouldn't want to have to type from fresh, or copy-and-paste from a clipboard, every time. If we've lost this, then that's sad.
Is the intention that "serious" editors will have to graduate to "Edit source", or is VE intended to become the system of choice for us all? There seems a lot missing at present. Pam D 16:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I am a new editor (being here for less than 2 weeks) and I have to say that I spent many hours these past days trying to learn the code system by searching in the help pages or by copying and observing things in already existant pages. Have to say that it was not easy and sure I still don't know how to do many things. I just started getting used of that code system when today I found out about VE. I don't know if it was there and I just didn't see it or it was a released today to everyone or some new editors or something. I tried it and my first impression is really good. Took me a while to get used of it but it sure will take less time for someone totally new to understand how to write or edit. I just wanted to add some things I noticed or some ideas that might help (or not, just thoughts) VE to get better.
Those I remember for now...sorry for the long post. TeamGale ( talk) 20:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki></nowiki>
tags.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:11, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
After my first edit, I'm rather impressed with the VisualEditor, but only up to a point. As an editor who's well accustomed to using MediaWiki markup, I find it tedious to have to use the toolbar to link, create headings, and bold/italicize text. I tried to add a link on the page I edited with the VisualEditor, but it added nowiki tags around the lines that I edited. I'd suggest that VisualEditor be able to turn these markups into links/formatting as editors type, as this will probably help editors who are used to just typing in the markup language (like me) to adjust to the new editor interface.
That's my main issue with the VisualEditor. Of course, I haven't toyed around with it quite enough to give more feedback. One random thing I'd like to point out: the good article icons become part of the editable text and can be deleted, so that should be fixed to ensure no accidental deletions of icons ever occurs. Also, the speed at which VisualEditor operates is not ideal, as I'm sure other users have pointed out already.
For now, and likely if/when VisualEditor becomes the default editing mode, I'll be sticking with the "old" means of editing. I'll be testing it out every now and then, however, and I'd appreciate that my suggestions be considered and incorporated into the updates. Thanks, and happy editing! Prayerfortheworld ( talk) 07:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
So, I put the Visual Editor to the Chloroplast test, and I'm happy to say that it's very close to passing.(Templates and references, yay!) Some problems remain, though:
1 Section editing. Please. The Visual Editor can be quite slow (but not unbearable).
2 Links can be frustrating. Please make it so I can type "[[" as a keyboard shortcut instead of having to grab the mouse and find the o-o button at the top of the editing window. Also, when I'm done with the link text, hitting Enter doesn't work, I have to click outside the link dialog to close it. That's not intuitive. Also, after closing the link dialog, it takes two clicks to move the cursor. One closes the dialog, the second moves the cursor to a new location. Also, if there is only one possible link target, just skip the dialog and link it (red or blue, though I think this has been reported already).
3 Z-index problems remain. For some reason the editing toolbar doesn't float above stuff in the editing window. Often a template will obstruct the editing toolbar, even though it's visually behind the toolbar.
4 Too many cryptic icons. Look, I am all for visual icons, but can you include a text label because the icons can be quite ambiguous and unclear. For example the references icon looks like a city skyline and the Reflist icon looks like it should be the references icon. Take a lead from some applications like Blender, which uses icons along with text on its buttons. Like
5 References. Any way to get the cite tools integrated? Or at least have a blank template syntax to fill in? I don't feel like typing <ref>{{cite journal|doi=|title= etc... especially cause I'm going to forget or misname some parameter like the date or coauthors. Also, any reason why I would need to insert an image into a reference? Also using named references is not working—it should give a dropdown list of available references, or better, just let us copy and paste the [1]s.
6 Templates. When you insert a template, could it give you a list of all the available parameters for that template? That would be a huge improvement over the text editor.
7 Images. Nonthumb images should not have their alt text displayed like a caption underneath. This messes up page rendering. Just make it behave like a template, and use a dialog to edit the alt text.
8 Visual Editor is not a bot or AWB. It should not be going around turning ></ref>s into />s or adding ""s. And it's still wiping out hidden comments. See diff: 1.
9 Take a look at that same diff: 1, and go down to where I added to the section on the TIC translocon (under ==Chloroplast DNA== ===Protein targeting and import===). See what your visual editor did...
—Love, Kelvinsong ( talk) 15:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
When adding links with a plural appearance, normally one would type, for example, [[example]]s, while Visual Editor puts in [[example|examples]]. See, for example, [37] (in which Visual Editor also made random formatting changes... oh well):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 01:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
e.g. This leaves an "[edit]" link hanging in space in the saved article (which you can't see in that diff), and an empty TOC entry (which you can) - David Gerard ( talk) 11:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, as you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Linux_user_group&diff=561508698&oldid=556380560
1) We don't want <ref name="xyz"/> to become <ref name="xyz"></ref>
2) CookiesOK adds text at the bottom, please make a kind of workaround (see https://addons.mozilla.org/af/firefox/addon/cookiesok/ , version rev57) Smile4ever ( talk) 12:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
All of them render rather oddly; the infobox renders partially on top of the prose in the beginning, the lock is sticking on the left side, and the map's labels are just in a list, not actually on the map itself at all. See this. Dashie ( talk) 16:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
When I attempted to change multiple heading's levels in a row, sometimes it would keep the formatting (I would highlight the second and it would change it to be like the first) and sometimes it wouldn't (I would highlight the second and nothing happened):Jay8g Inspect- Berate- Know WASH- BRIDGE 03:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
1 Whitespace issues—nonthumb images add extra lines for some reason, and after references, the space breaks, example:
2 Accidental deletion Sometimes, the Visual editor deletes stuff when the cursor isn't right in front of it.
This also happens with images (see 1, when trying to delete extra lines).
3 More accidental deletion Visual editor loves displacing invisible templates like {{ clear}}. At least it's leaving page comments alone.
4 Links How do I click through to a linked page to make sure it's the right page to link to??? The middle click does nothing except duplicate the link text, leaving something like α-helicesα-helices. This is frustrating as —.
5 Strange fragmented links Sometimes when making links with italics and stuff, the link will fragment, for example translo case. The underline also fails to extend under the first letter.
Wikimarkup the VisEd left:
6 Excessive link piping Why [[In vitro|''in vitro'']] instead of ''[[in vitro]]''?
7 References Reusing references is too hard. There are too many dialogs to click through. I miss copy and paste in the text editor. On the other hand, it's great that cite templates are working now. Now if only I could remember the names of all those parameters...
8 VisualEditor why you no leave name=parameter alone?
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See the diff that inspired these additional reports: 1
V Backspacing here causes (1)
| Chloroplasts /ˈklɔːrəplæsts/ are organelles found in plant cells and some other eukaryotic organisms. As well as conducting photosynthesis, they carry out almost all fatty acid synthesis in plants, and are involved in a plant's immune response. A chloroplast is a type of plastid which specializes in photosynthesis. During photosynthesis, chloroplasts capture the sun's light energy, and store it in the energy storage molecules ATP and NADPH while freeing oxygen from water. They then use the ATP and NADPH to make organic molecules from carbon dioxide in a process known as the Calvin cycle. [1]
The word chloroplast (χλωροπλάστης) is derived from the Greek words chloros (χλωρός), which means green, and plastes (πλάστης), which means "the one who forms". [2]
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The word chloroplast (χλωροπλάστης) is derived from the Greek words chloros (χλωρός), which means green, and plastes (πλάστης), which means "the one who forms". [2]
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The word chloroplast (χλωροπλάστης) is derived from the Greek words chloros (χλωρός), which means green, and plastes (πλάστης), which means "the one who forms". [2]
—Love, Kelvinsong talk 14:25, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Philippe has informed me that for Monobook users, VE is busted today. Fix hopefully coming by this afternoon. PEarley (WMF) ( talk) 18:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying not to report the same bug more than once. However, if someone could post a summary of the bug fixes as they are implemented, we can test them and provide more feedback if needed. Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 03:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
HTML tags won't work on VisualEditor. Is there any way to fix this problem? Epicgenius( talk to me • see my contributions) 15:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Do you mean they don't work as in the rendering they include isn't displayed by the VE, or they don't work as in 'typing them in in the VE does nothing'? Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 15:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Now Piece-rate list.
I switched on VE and kept a parallel log in gedit of the experience. It was an interesting way to spend a morning. I am on a Thinkpad T410 under Mint 14 Linux using Firefox 1.0 18.0.1 for Linux. I have added line numbers for clarity- but rendering her is patchy
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Supporting screen dumps in Category:Screendumps from WMF Visual Editor
So at this point I am printing out the text and editing on paper and posting this report. There are 12 issues to be investigated- all discovered in doing a standard edit. On the sfn/efn issue I think there is a basic misunderstanding of their use. I use them as a speedy way to manage my references which are 60%+ of the work in an article- the jigsaw facility is a generic way to implement a template (software orientated and not article orientated). I will have a go later at one of my List of mills articles, that heavily uses templates and referencing to achieve a specific aim. Does this qualify for a Barnstar? -- Clem Rutter ( talk) 17:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be helpful if I could use VE from a relatively old version of FireFox. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 18:42, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I see no "Edit section" links on this page for sections 88 "Table/Template" to 117 "Subst and template date" inclusive. Has the page got too long? (Win7, FF21.0) JohnCD ( talk) 20:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't seem to have an "edit" link beside the section above, so continuing here.
I think I confused issues by raising too many questions at once, so:
OK, now a simple request: please provide an "add another parameter" button, alongside the box for input of parameter content. It's just completely un-intuitive to have to click on the template name. I'm impressessed that TeamGale managed to find it, but I wonder how many other editors will do so. Pam D 07:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
If I wish to add something to the end of this test page, in "Edit source" mode I can place the cursor below the last line; but in VE I can't. It has to be put at the end of the last line, and then if I press "return" to get to the line below, VE starts to add a further bullet point. Experiment finds that pressing "return" a second time gets rid of the bullet, but this seems complicated and unnatural.
You get the same effect (can only put cursor at end of last line, not below it) with simple text, where it is less serious because you don't run into the bullet-point effect; but it still seems unnatural not to be able to place the cursor below the last line. JohnCD ( talk) 22:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I added a hatnote. As VE displayed it, the hatnote was on the same line as the following text. I might have spent ages trying to fix it, but recorded it in the edit summary, saved the page, expecting to report it here as a bug. Once I'd saved the page, it displayed correctly. But if this is a Visual Editor, it should be displaying the page properly, immediately a change is made. This is similar to my earlier comments on Italic titles: if VE doesn't display the result of a change, or displays it looking wrong, editors are going to assume that their edit didn't work and struggle to "fix" it. Pam D 08:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
If you edit an article, save, then go to a different page and press the back button, you will be served with the cached version of the article from before your edits were made (happens this way in Chrome, don't know about other browsers). Either the edited version should be cached, or a refresh should be enforced upon viewing the article again. -- WS ( talk) 09:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Tables and column templates are incredibly complex to navigate Jonjonjohny ( talk) 09:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice if you could edit image caption text just like any other text. Having to go into the template dialog adds an unnecessary extra step and is harder to discover. -- WS ( talk) 11:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Vimperator is a Firefox plugin that makes Firefox more like Vim. I use it for reasons of accessibility: it allows me to use Firefox with more keyboard controls and less recourse to mouse/trackpad.
I tried VE out and it actually works fine... but for one thing. In the 'save' panel, I can enter characters but I can't delete characters in the edit summary. Backspace just doesn't work. The only way I found I could remove text was to highlight it with my mouse and use Cmd+X to cut it. This is fairly niche and I can perfectly understand that making sure the visual editor works with a fairly unorthodox browser plugin might not be very high on the to-do list. And in all honesty, I'll probably not use the visual editor as for keyboard-preferring users like me, it is likely to be slower than editing the markup directly. But I thought I'd report it anyway just in case. — Tom Morris ( talk) 14:07, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Editing Aranath you can see <th... some text which is not in the source. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
A 3-ref article shows 24 in edit mode. Some are new, some are repeated. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
This ref desk question raised an interesting problem. The editor cut operation from a source, also brought with it a hidden link. I am somewhat concerned that the hidden link could also be added using the Visual Editor, but not actually noticed by the editor at all. Is this a valid concern? Astronaut ( talk) 15:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Image size, caption, thumb/upright/frame can not be specified/edited. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
There are a couple of issues viewing the London Underground article, and I've isolated a couple of these at User:Edgepedia/VE/footnotes
Edgepedia ( talk) 17:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I see that Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V are now working - good! I had some instances yesterday of losing formatting when copying within a page, but I could not reproduce them consistently, and not at all today, so it must have been a transient glitch.
However, copying from one page and pasting in another still consistently loses all formatting: I just copied everything above "Second L2 header" from this test page and pasted to another page producing this. JohnCD ( talk) 17:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
When editing the above article, the a,b,c in front of references that are used multiple times change in 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 etc. -- WS ( talk) 18:37, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I really appreciate Wikipedia and I want to be part of this big source of information web-site. Regards Onea Mihai Alin Onea Mihai Alin 18:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brumson ( talk • contribs)
I hate to continue to be a fly in the ointment here and I am pleased to see that so much work has been done to fixing VE and I think its coming together wonderfully, but I still think there is too much more to do for a 1 July release. With something just under 200 bugs and counting, some of them quite significant and still not having the ability to add citations, I really think we need to continue development before release. Its certainly not a good idea to release it to the general public yet. Keep up the great work guys. Kumioko ( talk) 19:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I was trying to edit the review table at the article All 6's and 7's, but I can only edit the track listing template, as the blue thing that denotes I'm hovering over a template obscures the review box and makes it impossible to edit.
And could you also remove the character limit for the subject section on the VE feedback box? It means I can't fully type the section heading I wanted on here. Insulam Simia ( talk/ contribs) 20:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to save the following templatedata to Template:Foreign relations of Australia, but it said there was a JSON error. Can someone please complete this for me? <templatedata> { "description": "A template showing a box with lists of articles about the foreign relations of Australia", "params": { "state": { "label": "Collapsed status", "description": "Whether or not the template is collapsed into one line Allowed values collapsed expanded or autocollapse Auto collapse only collapses if there are more than one of this same template on the page unusual", "type": "string", "required": false } } </templatedata> Thanks -- 99of9 ( talk) 22:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
When I edit arc diagram (OS X, Chrome, monobook + a larger font-size in custom css) the top and bottom lines of the "Notes" section, which contains only {{reflist|colwidth=30em}}, are cut off. It appears that the ten lines of notes are split into 3 columns as 3.5 lines for the first column, 3.5 lines for the second column, and 3 lines for the third column, instead of the more obvious 4-3-3 split. The same bad columnization also occurs in the references section of the article, which uses a {{refbegin}}/{{refend}} pair. See the screenshot here. (The already-reported issue with bad numbering of footnote uses as 1.1, 1.2 instead of a, b is also present.) — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations on addressing one of the problems people face when editing Wikipedia. What is being done to address the other serious problem of hostility on Wikipedia? -- Rskp ( talk) 03:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Is VisualEditor the reason why Edit links are blocked via JavaScript from opening in a new tab? This has been the case for the past few weeks, only on the English Wikipedia, only for Edit links (e.g. not History links), and of course only when JavaScript is enabled.
If this bug has been introduced by the VisualEditor changes, it should be fixed for editors not using VisualEditor. -- pmj ( talk) 23:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
When I create a whole new article with VE, when I click on the "preview your changes" I get a very weird page that it's not easy to go through it. I know it's not possible to have a comparing page with the previous one since it doesn't exist but that kind of page makes it difficult for me to check the article. I don't know how to describe the page and I don't know if that's how it was supposed to look. Just try to copy an existing article and paste it to a totally new page (no need to save it) just to see what I mean. Thanks TeamGale ( talk) 13:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if I am bothering but, any news on that subject? Thanks again for everything TeamGale ( talk) 08:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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Is there any way to add dashes (— –) using VisualEditor? Thanks. Epicgenius( talk to me • see my contributions) 15:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
If someone wants to edit an infobox that is included in another one, is there a way to do it?
Plus, while making a template with parameters or editing one that already exists, when I want to add a wiki link in the description of one parameter, I have to use the brackets to do it. Any chance in the future to be able to do it in the template the way VE does it on the main article? Thank you
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You and all the people who work on VE, are trying to bring us something more helpful and easier to work with. Reporting something that we see and it might need improve is the least we can do to help. Especially when you are so patient and polite with all of us. :) TeamGale ( talk) 10:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I've started to read the documentation about adding Template Data. One question: will it work for subst'd templates? Or will typing "Subst:L" in the template name box ignore any information about the parameters?
Have I got this right, that it is impossible at present to add more than one parameter to a template if it doesn't have this "Template Data" info? And we're rolling this out as the default editor within days? Not good. Pam D 16:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, thought I would take a break from my usual list based Visual Editor complaints and just say that the little animations on the [ | edit source ] are really good from a motion design standpoint. It's very hard to subtly introduce new buttons/text in a non jarring way. This is one of the few examples of good design I've seen on wikimedia projects (no offense!). Nice work.
By the way, how were those implemented? Are the CSS animations accessible to content editors?—Love, Kelvinsong talk 23:14, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I've been testing VE and it's working pretty well. I appreciate that you still left the source code for those who wish to use it.
Here are a few difficulties I've found with it in the short while I spent trying it.
1) Templates are seemingly impossible to move around the page. Perhaps it's just my browser (Chrome), but I'd appreciate it if templates could be either copy-pasted or dragged around.
2) I'd like a way to edit parameter and template names after they're created. If I incorrectly capitalize a parameter name, I currently have to delete it and reenter it. Same with template names.
3) The Source editor has some useful features that are not as easily accessible in the VE; namely, special characters and certain highly used templates.
I also am worried that VE will be impossible to implement in the Wikipedia name space due to the complexity of many pages there that only the Source Editor can create. If this is the case, casual users could more easily add content, but would still have to learn a lot about Wiki markup if they want to access many of the Wikipedia namespace pages, especially noticeboards. Marechal Ney ( talk) 00:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Top icons, as used to identify e.g. good or protected articles, are shown within the text at the location where their template is instead of at their normal location at top of the article. This is confusing and makes it very easy to erroneously delete them. -- WS ( talk) 11:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It's nice to use Visual Editor to make quick corrections, but when there are more structural changes, using Visual Editor may quickly become troublesome and unpredictable. In this case, it will be nice to switch to source edit without having to save the visual edits as a revision first. It will be even more awesome if you can switch back and forth between the two - edit the source, preview the result in the WYSIWYG editor. ADTC Talk Ctrb 17:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Trying when editing articles to think "Could I use VE for this?" I came on an article where the {{ AfD}} template had been removed and needed to be restored. The easiest way to get that right is to call up from the history a version with the template in place, and copy it from there to the current version. This doesn't seem possible in VE: after selecting the template so that it is highlighted, Ctrl-C doesn't copy it, and right-click doesn't offer a "Copy" option. JohnCD ( talk) 21:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The current default source editor of wikipedia has an elaborate system of dialogue boxes for adding references. It includes scripts to fetch details of reference from ID like ISBN/DOI/PUBMED ID etc. Hope this is included in future development of VisualEditor. ★Saurabh P. | ☎ talk 21:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The visual edit is looking pretty good and should be much simpler for editing when released as the default editor. I especially like how easy it is to link other pages, add media, and references. One suggestion would be to make editing the sidebar easier. I noticed that in order to edit the sidebar you must open up a special menu and use traditional link format. Perhaps this could be simplified? Paranini ( talk) 22:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
There is so much how to, and explanations of what everything is I can't even find a link to make a change even on a semi locked page..so here is my change to Zlatan Ibrahimović. The best soccer player in the world, and his number at Paris st. Germaine is 18 not 10..that is all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willyj89 ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I really loved my first use of VisualEditor editing a page Visual Editors on English Wikipedia. And it was a such a brilliant experience! I'm looking forward to the completion of this worry-free and handy tool. Keep up! Alnel Vincent Alico 23:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlneltheGreat ( talk • contribs)
I tried editing some road articles with the VisualEditor and here are the issues I found:
Overall though, the experience was a lot better and more functional than I thought it would be, with our complicated templates! -- Rs chen 7754 02:58, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm I missing something, or is there no warning message like MediaWiki:Protectedpagewarning and MediaWiki:Semiprotectedpagewarning that displays on the VisualEditor when editing a protected or semi-protected page? This is just as important as the page notices. The last thing we need is an admin inadvertently making a controversial edit to a fully protected page solely because there was no similar MediaWiki:Protectedpagewarning on the VisualEditor interface like on the regular editing form. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 04:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to see that you truly are making editing Wikipedia a lot easier for us who don't know Wiki codes and who have no time or interest of learning them. I've always wondered why making a minor editing in Wikipedia is so hard that I rather quit than make any changes even though I know what to edit. It just has been too complicated. I learnt to walk and talk 49 years ago, I learnt to write 45 years ago, and I learnt my first English words at age 6, that's 44 years ago but in 2010 or 2013 I couldn't make even a minor edit in Wikipedia because I'm not into codes. You have no idea how many times I have given up on editing, simply because it has been so difficult and takes too much time considering what I'm about to edit. This VisualEditor is so welcome to me. Maybe from now on I don't have to walk away from a page even if I see it needs some editing but instead of that I can do it without sweat, toil and frustration. I can't wait to try new VisualEditing. I believe it makes me more active for making minor editing. And later on I might take bigger editing jobs as well. Thank you for making my extra hobby a lot easier. AniaKallio ( talk) 07:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I remove an image from Anarkali. After submitting, changes were not immediately reflected. I refreshed manually, then were reflected. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I used VE to remove two redlinks from List of male kickboxers, but had to revert because it also made unwanted format changes all through the article, see diff. It is quite hard to make out from the diff just what it did - it seems to have added extra "pipe" characters in half a dozen places, and |}|}|}|}|}|} at the end. The effect, seen here, is that items are progressively more indented as you go down the list. JohnCD ( talk) 13:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Attempting to remove the space that is erroneously between the period and the following ref at the end of the penultimate sentence of the second paragraph at Michael Lowry (actor) fails--the editor visually appears to allow the change, but when the change is saved, no error is produced, nor is any change left in the article history. Reproduced in Chrome and Safari. -- j⚛e decker talk 15:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
This is a problem when trying to edit the introductory text of the entry on Leo Strauss. Kleinias ( talk) 16:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Is VE not to be available on iPad/Safari? JohnCD ( talk) 16:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
(all of those are in use in hewiki's "TemaplteParameterWizard")
peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) ( talk) 16:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
hi guys :) VisualEditor is amazing! thanks and keep up the great work! one suggestion: after adding links with the autocomplete field (love it!) the linked pages can not be opened by clicking on them (which makes sense to be able to edit the text), but if i right-click to follow them the URL is not what it should be i guess. so for example, instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_peel it is en.wikipedia.org/w/Banana%20peel, which results in a 404 error message. i wonder if the /w/ will be usable instead of /wiki/ ?
thanks again :) Mangostaniko ( talk) 20:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
VE dropped the "Preview", as a matter of course, but on the way to do that, it also dropped the "Show changes" option. This action is useful, and all the reasons why it's needed with the traditional editor, is just as valid when using the VE.
Not everyone uses "Show Changes", but some people do use it routinely. I can't think of a single good reason why this option should not exist in VE. Please find a way to integrate "View Changes" into VE. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) ( talk) 20:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I have been working on creating the TemplateData for Template:Loop/doc and keep getting a "Syntax error in JSON." I've tried a couple of scenarios, including having 2 optional parameters for the string, with and without the equal sign, + this simplified approach. Either way, I'm unable to get one to successfully save.
<templatedata> { "description": "The template is used to produce a simple loop of repeated strings.", "params": { "repeat": { "label": "Number", "description": "number of times to repeat", "type": "number", "required": true }, "string": { "label": "Alpha-numeric text", "description": "the string to be repeated", "type": "string", "required": true } } </templatedata>
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? (I'll watch this page). Thanks so much!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 20:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
<templatedata> { "description": "The template is used to produce a simple loop of repeated strings.", "params": { "repeat": { "label": "Number", "description": "number of times to repeat", "type": "number", "required": true }, "string": { "label": "Alpha-numeric text", "description": "the string to be repeated", "type": "string", "required": true } } } </templatedata>
Bug - nowiki tag appeared on page after edit SLBohrman ( talk) 21:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, its great and should allow many more people to contribute.
One worry I have is that it makes it difficult for new users to edit links, citations etc. To do these tasks, the editors will have to revert to 'editing source'. So to get effective contributions, editors need to use the skills of editing wiki markup, bypassing the simple editing process.. Making the editing simpler has in my view made the learning process harder as people still have to investigate how to edit the source. So the difficulty has been eased, but not removed.
TonyClarke ( talk) 22:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I have VE enabled in my preferences and its edit tab is visible normally when I view an article. It is not visible when I view a redirect using &redirect=no (e.g. this one) nor is it visible when I view an article's history. Any reason why not? — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:50, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
In reading the revised mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide, I just learned that the References icon is a black book with a white bookmark. Now I see that, but before I thought it looked like a W with a line above it. GoingBatty ( talk) 02:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
i don't seem to like the new layout i see how you may see it as "easy" but it's not. Locolocoalex ( talk) 04:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Have only received error messages regarding failure to edits using Chrome, Windows Seven. Qravenq ( talk) 06:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
When I try to add a new reference in a page which already has many, like this page, I can't find the "create new source" button. I think it's because the list is very long and it was "moved" up. Either a scroll apply is needed or better, "create new source" and "use an existing source" may always be visible and the scroll apply only to the list of the references. TeamGale ( talk) 09:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I did :). That...looks very, very wrong. What operating system? Windows 7, Windows XP... Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 18:10, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
After choosing "heading" or "sub-heading 1" etc for a line to apply, the cursor disappears and I have to click again in the text to make it appear and be able to write. Wouldn't it be easier after the apply the cursor to be at the point you left it before? TeamGale ( talk) 10:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Some templates should always be subst-ed, some should not. I'm not sure whether there any where it is optional? TemplateData should cover this: there should be a "subst" field with values always/optional/never, and some indication when the template is applied: "This template will be subst-ed"/"Click here to subst"/"This template will not be subst-ed". JohnCD ( talk) 12:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I tried to subst a template with VisualEditor. I saved the page, but it didn't work. Pseudonymous Rex ( talk) 20:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
In editing Pli I added a hatnote and wanted to check that the piped link had worked: couldn't click on the piped link in the hatnote from within VE. In editing Ponticus I wanted to look at the reference, an online source, to see what it said and check the claim that something wasn't supported by the source: couldn't do so within VE. We need to be able to follow links like this while editing, please. Pam D 19:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
While saving getting the following error : "Error saving data to server: Failed request: error." 3dmatrix ( talk) 20:29, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I didn't notice any changes on Safari on my IPad 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam9812 ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I didn't notice any changes on Safari on my IPad 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam9812 ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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