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( Discussion with closer)
Closer: Chetsford ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Notified: [1]
Reasoning: The following is copied and modified from my post at Chetsford's talk page. I think that
Chetsford's close was generally correct, but I think that this aspect is an incorrect assessment of consensus: A few editors suggested that, regardless of outcome, it should not be used for
WP:BLPs. No direct reasoning was presented for that, however, some indirect reference to our policies could be divined within the greater context of the remarks of those editors and these suggestions were not really rebutted.
I searched the RfC and "BLP" was used six times in the discussion. Only two of those mentions are in relation to the reliability of the source, and as Chetsford noted, neither provided any direct reasoning
:
In addition, based on some of the past statements linked, a use for BLP or politicised situations within the fog or war would be very reckless at best.
Yeah, I have very little faith in their editorial review which go beyond WP:BIAS and regularly WP:Fringe. At best, they really shouldn’t be used for anything related to BLP, Russia and Israel, at worst (and IMO this part is most likely) a full depreciation may be in order.
The only indirect reference to policy
is to BIAS (as FRINGE is a guideline), and Chetsford discounted that argument in another part of the close. I can't really divine[]
what other policies these editors may or may not have been thinking about. I'm not sure what past statements
the first commenter is thinking about, and without more reasoning, I wouldn't say that this single argument is strong enough to establish a consensus that Mondoweiss should not be used for BLPs just because nobody happened to rebut it in a long discussion.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 02:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
we should avoid using Mondoweiss for BLP.Obviously, it ended up in RSN again. M.Bitton ( talk) 16:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I would like to request another perspective on edits made by TheBanner. I am uncertain about their intentions, as they seem to be consistently reverting many edits, often citing WP:CIR, I know my edits are not perfet however I have seen problems. For instance, my addition of a military service module on Chuck Norris's page—similar to those on Morgan Freeman and Elvis Presley—was removed with the rationale that Norris is "not known for his military service." Although this is true, the inclusion of such a module can be informative. Furthermore, there have been issues regarding WP:Civility; TheBanner has described my edits as " cringe" and made sarcastic remarks, asserting that competence supersedes civility. This focus on my contributions has been puzzling, and I would appreciate an external review. My editing history is publicly accessible, and I anticipate that TheBanner might respond to this discussion. I am simply seeking additional opinions on this matter. LuxembourgLover ( talk) 00:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
There's more. Why are we still here ? Drmies, my friend, it's time to stop defending this editor, who is a bully. It's time for a site ban. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 09:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
This user BeauSuzanne ( talk · contribs) quietly drafting BLPs of non-notable Pakistani actresses, then moving them to the main namespace without even attracting any attention. Even though their contributions focus on a less scrutinized area, it's concerning that they've managed to fly under the radar. I stumbled upon this user when I noticed they added WP:OR using a dummy reference to a BLP. Dummy in the sense that upon checking the reference—a 90 minutes-long interview video—I found it did not support the claims made in the BLP, and this is consistent across other BLPs created by this user. They've even cited references that may not even exist, which further adds to the concern regarding the accuracy and reliability of their contributions. For example, see this, this and this. When questioned, they disappeared without explanation. Upon some investigation, I discovered that many of the BLPs they created had previously been deleted via AfD. Most of the BLPs this user re-created were formerly created by a confirmed sock puppet ( Dramanrama ( talk · contribs)) associated with Pakistanpedia. For example, Amna Malik, Ghazala Butt, Humaira Bano, Humaira Zaheer, Farah Nadeem, Madiha Rizvi, Natasha Ali, Maryam Noor etc. Not a coincidence. And there are similarities in editing patterns between this user and serial sock users like Pakistanpedia or maybe even Bttowadch. It might be worth investigating this user further, possibly through behavioral evidence, as the socks of Pakistanpedia seem adept at evading detection via technical means. I'm uncertain where else to report this issue, as I lack sufficient evidence to conclusively prove that this user is a sockpuppet of Pakistanpedia or Bttowadch. However, their behavior strongly suggests a connection to someone accounts. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 19:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi all. After a mentee had uploaded a non-free file to Commons, I made a request to Explicit (because he is an admin both here and at Commons) to Special:import the file to enwiki and delete the copy at Commons. However, he made {{ trout}}-worthy mistake and also imported the templates associated with the file. Some of these files existed locally, in which case we have a WP:PARALLEL history mess, in which case we should probably delete the imported history. Others which did not exist locally should just be deleted per G6 as obviously created in error.
It is currently 12:30 in the morning for Explicit, and judging by his timecard he is probably asleep. Would an admin or two be able to help clean up?
I will be notifying Explicit, but I absolutely do not think he should be sanctioned with anything more than a seafood dinner. Humans, mistakes, etc..
Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 15:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
TODO LIST:
Pending
phab:T363740, is it possible to set the relevant system message (it appears to be
MediaWiki:import-interwiki-templates) to something more intrusive? Something like Include all templates and transcluded pages. If checked, this will overwrite local templates with the importing wiki's versions. This should almost always be unchecked. Only check if you know what you are doing.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him) 01:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I've proposed adding a clickable icon to the speedy deletion tags. Please visit Template talk:Db-meta#Add clickable icon to participate in the proposal. Nyttend ( talk) 20:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi there! We've reached the end of the first phase of the 2024 requests for adminship review, where consensus was achieved for a ton of significant changes to the RfA process. The following proposals have achieved consensus to be implemented outright:
And the following proposals have achieved consensus, but will undergo further refinement in phase II before implementation:
Phase II will start soon, most likely with open discussion to start. Thanks to everyone who helped move mountains on this, and stay tuned! theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 21:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
This IP is deleting content from a page (I can't remember which). When told on my talk page that content cannot be removed b/c of their opinion and told about WP:NPOV and WP:PAYWALL, they are blaming me and User:CanonNi of "supporting a user" who made some changes to the article that they disliked. Please block. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
'''[[
User:CanonNi]]'''
(
talk|
contribs) 02:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)NPP is running a backlog drive starting from tomorrow. Ironically, this has created a backlog of editors requesting NPR permissions (disclosure: I'm one of them). There's about a dozen or so requests that haven't attracted any comment so far. This would be an unusually high-value backlog for administrators to focus on reducing quickly, as it could potentially free up a new spate of motivated editors to help reduce the substantial patrol backlog. – Tera tix ₵ 04:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
ironically, this has created a backlogthat was intended as a light-hearted tongue-in-cheek remark and wasn't meant to imply incompetence or lack of diligence on yours or anyone else's part. Quite the opposite, I appreciate your work. – Tera tix ₵ 12:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
In this, MD Hydrogen 123 asking for personal facebook profile link and communicate with them over facebook. I don't think that's appropriate. If they have something to say, they should communicate via user or article talk page.
Also from the link, i can see they are media Manager of Bikrampur Kings and they have edited and started article related to Bikrampur Kings. They clearly have COI but i don't see any COI declaration anywhere on their userpage. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 17:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Title. I honestly can't remember the last time I used the right. Thanks. Deauthorized. ( talk) 21:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Username policy/RFC 2024 has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
All images uploaded by TheVoicelessWriter ( talk · contribs) are non-free: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] Speedy deletion is necessary. -- Mann Mann ( talk) 03:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Following a request to the Arbitration Committee, the Oversight access of Dreamy Jazz is removed. The Committee sincerely thanks Dreamy Jazz for their service as a member of the Oversight team.
On behalf of the Committee, Primefac ( talk) 14:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Welcome – post issues of interest to administrators. |
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( Discussion with closer)
Closer: Chetsford ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Notified: [1]
Reasoning: The following is copied and modified from my post at Chetsford's talk page. I think that
Chetsford's close was generally correct, but I think that this aspect is an incorrect assessment of consensus: A few editors suggested that, regardless of outcome, it should not be used for
WP:BLPs. No direct reasoning was presented for that, however, some indirect reference to our policies could be divined within the greater context of the remarks of those editors and these suggestions were not really rebutted.
I searched the RfC and "BLP" was used six times in the discussion. Only two of those mentions are in relation to the reliability of the source, and as Chetsford noted, neither provided any direct reasoning
:
In addition, based on some of the past statements linked, a use for BLP or politicised situations within the fog or war would be very reckless at best.
Yeah, I have very little faith in their editorial review which go beyond WP:BIAS and regularly WP:Fringe. At best, they really shouldn’t be used for anything related to BLP, Russia and Israel, at worst (and IMO this part is most likely) a full depreciation may be in order.
The only indirect reference to policy
is to BIAS (as FRINGE is a guideline), and Chetsford discounted that argument in another part of the close. I can't really divine[]
what other policies these editors may or may not have been thinking about. I'm not sure what past statements
the first commenter is thinking about, and without more reasoning, I wouldn't say that this single argument is strong enough to establish a consensus that Mondoweiss should not be used for BLPs just because nobody happened to rebut it in a long discussion.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 02:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
we should avoid using Mondoweiss for BLP.Obviously, it ended up in RSN again. M.Bitton ( talk) 16:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I would like to request another perspective on edits made by TheBanner. I am uncertain about their intentions, as they seem to be consistently reverting many edits, often citing WP:CIR, I know my edits are not perfet however I have seen problems. For instance, my addition of a military service module on Chuck Norris's page—similar to those on Morgan Freeman and Elvis Presley—was removed with the rationale that Norris is "not known for his military service." Although this is true, the inclusion of such a module can be informative. Furthermore, there have been issues regarding WP:Civility; TheBanner has described my edits as " cringe" and made sarcastic remarks, asserting that competence supersedes civility. This focus on my contributions has been puzzling, and I would appreciate an external review. My editing history is publicly accessible, and I anticipate that TheBanner might respond to this discussion. I am simply seeking additional opinions on this matter. LuxembourgLover ( talk) 00:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
There's more. Why are we still here ? Drmies, my friend, it's time to stop defending this editor, who is a bully. It's time for a site ban. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 09:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
This user BeauSuzanne ( talk · contribs) quietly drafting BLPs of non-notable Pakistani actresses, then moving them to the main namespace without even attracting any attention. Even though their contributions focus on a less scrutinized area, it's concerning that they've managed to fly under the radar. I stumbled upon this user when I noticed they added WP:OR using a dummy reference to a BLP. Dummy in the sense that upon checking the reference—a 90 minutes-long interview video—I found it did not support the claims made in the BLP, and this is consistent across other BLPs created by this user. They've even cited references that may not even exist, which further adds to the concern regarding the accuracy and reliability of their contributions. For example, see this, this and this. When questioned, they disappeared without explanation. Upon some investigation, I discovered that many of the BLPs they created had previously been deleted via AfD. Most of the BLPs this user re-created were formerly created by a confirmed sock puppet ( Dramanrama ( talk · contribs)) associated with Pakistanpedia. For example, Amna Malik, Ghazala Butt, Humaira Bano, Humaira Zaheer, Farah Nadeem, Madiha Rizvi, Natasha Ali, Maryam Noor etc. Not a coincidence. And there are similarities in editing patterns between this user and serial sock users like Pakistanpedia or maybe even Bttowadch. It might be worth investigating this user further, possibly through behavioral evidence, as the socks of Pakistanpedia seem adept at evading detection via technical means. I'm uncertain where else to report this issue, as I lack sufficient evidence to conclusively prove that this user is a sockpuppet of Pakistanpedia or Bttowadch. However, their behavior strongly suggests a connection to someone accounts. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 19:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi all. After a mentee had uploaded a non-free file to Commons, I made a request to Explicit (because he is an admin both here and at Commons) to Special:import the file to enwiki and delete the copy at Commons. However, he made {{ trout}}-worthy mistake and also imported the templates associated with the file. Some of these files existed locally, in which case we have a WP:PARALLEL history mess, in which case we should probably delete the imported history. Others which did not exist locally should just be deleted per G6 as obviously created in error.
It is currently 12:30 in the morning for Explicit, and judging by his timecard he is probably asleep. Would an admin or two be able to help clean up?
I will be notifying Explicit, but I absolutely do not think he should be sanctioned with anything more than a seafood dinner. Humans, mistakes, etc..
Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 15:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
TODO LIST:
Pending
phab:T363740, is it possible to set the relevant system message (it appears to be
MediaWiki:import-interwiki-templates) to something more intrusive? Something like Include all templates and transcluded pages. If checked, this will overwrite local templates with the importing wiki's versions. This should almost always be unchecked. Only check if you know what you are doing.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him) 01:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I've proposed adding a clickable icon to the speedy deletion tags. Please visit Template talk:Db-meta#Add clickable icon to participate in the proposal. Nyttend ( talk) 20:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi there! We've reached the end of the first phase of the 2024 requests for adminship review, where consensus was achieved for a ton of significant changes to the RfA process. The following proposals have achieved consensus to be implemented outright:
And the following proposals have achieved consensus, but will undergo further refinement in phase II before implementation:
Phase II will start soon, most likely with open discussion to start. Thanks to everyone who helped move mountains on this, and stay tuned! theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 21:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
This IP is deleting content from a page (I can't remember which). When told on my talk page that content cannot be removed b/c of their opinion and told about WP:NPOV and WP:PAYWALL, they are blaming me and User:CanonNi of "supporting a user" who made some changes to the article that they disliked. Please block. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
'''[[
User:CanonNi]]'''
(
talk|
contribs) 02:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)NPP is running a backlog drive starting from tomorrow. Ironically, this has created a backlog of editors requesting NPR permissions (disclosure: I'm one of them). There's about a dozen or so requests that haven't attracted any comment so far. This would be an unusually high-value backlog for administrators to focus on reducing quickly, as it could potentially free up a new spate of motivated editors to help reduce the substantial patrol backlog. – Tera tix ₵ 04:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
ironically, this has created a backlogthat was intended as a light-hearted tongue-in-cheek remark and wasn't meant to imply incompetence or lack of diligence on yours or anyone else's part. Quite the opposite, I appreciate your work. – Tera tix ₵ 12:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
In this, MD Hydrogen 123 asking for personal facebook profile link and communicate with them over facebook. I don't think that's appropriate. If they have something to say, they should communicate via user or article talk page.
Also from the link, i can see they are media Manager of Bikrampur Kings and they have edited and started article related to Bikrampur Kings. They clearly have COI but i don't see any COI declaration anywhere on their userpage. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 17:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Title. I honestly can't remember the last time I used the right. Thanks. Deauthorized. ( talk) 21:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Username policy/RFC 2024 has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
All images uploaded by TheVoicelessWriter ( talk · contribs) are non-free: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] Speedy deletion is necessary. -- Mann Mann ( talk) 03:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Following a request to the Arbitration Committee, the Oversight access of Dreamy Jazz is removed. The Committee sincerely thanks Dreamy Jazz for their service as a member of the Oversight team.
On behalf of the Committee, Primefac ( talk) 14:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)